Relic / data guide - Eve online - Before 8 it's bait

[@dutchdefender422]

Hello, Since making this video I have made a new video talking about "midspawns". If you are still wondering about how those close-core spawns happen defintely watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4XLlq2vpbZmitU

[@FizzleFX]

A very good guide, thanks. Though i think if you had a script (and a breath blocker on the mic) it would be a lot more professional. The content was great, the delivery could use another attempt. Though i take good information over perfect delivery every day

[@scotrod5221]

Hey and thank you so much for the guide! Can you confirm whether CCP didn't massage the creation process after your video? Meaning the algorithms for creating the minigames have been drastically changed?

[@Superstack2]

​@@scotrod5221 It feels still the same until today. No worry, the information of the video is still totally useable. Maybe the spawn % are different, or not, but that doesnt matter anyway if you follow the rules of 8 and the rule of 6. Good luck finding and hacking the cores of the Millions of isk (Null-Sec). For easy travel take a look into videos about the pochven express. ;-)

[@Random-ch9my]

@@Superstack2 Hey and thanks a lot for taking your time! I surely did made some cash using the tips from the video. After latests expansion however, I no longer seem to have so much 'luck' with the spawn rate of the sites and the content inside them. Still enjoying it tho.

[@goofytycooner5519]

I've seen tons of videos talking about exploration, but this one is definitely the most in-depth. I've been exploring for months and I never realized a lot of these things, thank you so much for this info

[@spookyyy3]

why hello there goofy

[@Official.MasterLevi]

and u die after exploration by neuts hahaha

[@mlong35]

Came for the bait, stayed for the kitten. 10/10.

[@hikerdude5265]

Most comprehensive description of Hack Game rules and tactics I've seen yet. Great work, thanks!

[@redicanprime1181]

Geez. Initially I thought to myself, "I am not going to watch a 30 minute video on hacking". I have a swing and whoa! Crazy good video. Stayed on point too. No puff puff wasting words and time. All good info organized in an almost college life lesson plan.

[@KrossFire330]

I swear ive had an exit node spawn right next to my starting node, at least less than 8 nodes. But now after watching this video I will keep an eye out for such a thing and provide a screenshot if I am able to replicate it. Thank you for this video

[@dutchdefender422]

Hey, did you watch the whole video? at 07:00 I explain that this is possible, albeit rare. If you spawn in the middle, the core can spawn anywhere!

[@dutchdefender422]

Scratch that. I made a video to answer your question fully! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4XLlq2vpbZmitU

[@takechixd8771]

Haha, a bit late but had my core spawn legit next to me, the next node to the right of my spawn. Fastest and easiest ISK of my life lmfao

[@arnislapsa1619]

yeah, had core on first touch too. that happens when start lands on middle of the map and game fails to figure out where to place the core

[@xenith21]

As an analyst by trade, this was a quality video. I main exploration on my primary character and have been giving out advice to corp members on how to get through the hacking game based on my experience. This is going to push my ability to the next level and give the newcomers a fighting edge, great content.

[@josephgalvez5048]

o7 I know I’m a few years late, but I still wanted to say thank you for this breakdown. I was losing about half of the cans because I just didn’t understand the logic of the game and I’m so paranoid in WH space that I was rushing too fast to learn. Since I watched this breakdown a few times I’ve gone from losing half the cans to rarely losing any of them and I absolutely love the minigame now. Thank you again, you’ve made me a very happy explorer!

[@StavrosDrakos-c3z]

your guide made my hackings so much better. Night and day difference using the before 8 it's bait strat. Thanks!

[@kaijuseansy8122]

The quality of these 2 videos were amazing! I will have them bookmarked for years to come. Thanks for sharing your findings!

[@JonnyPew]

Excellent explanation of this. "Before 8 it's bait" has been of great help to me. Thank you.

[@lukewinter5153]

awesome guide I went from having around a 25% success rate to above an 80% success rate cant thank you enough

[@skyraven9808]

3rd time watching this vid over 3 years TY ! Great refresher !

[@syxaxisphotography4092]

Absolutely superb! More people, who are serious about hacking, need to see this. I really enjoy watching people take something apart and detail their findings. Nice work!

[@garygrant6340]

After not being very proficient w the mini games for my time in eve, I came to YT to learn more. After watching many videos, I found this one. AMAZING! Thank you for all the time you spent making this!

[@constructioneerful]

That's quite a stunning first video!! Nice one.

[@Sonnata23]

This is an AWESOME guide ! Im new in eve and i love learning more about exploration and hacking. Thank you so much for the guide !

[@rubyjohn]

Best hacking guide I've ever seen. Fantastic video!!!

[@Jackpkmn]

"Gonna have to take this very carefully." -25/90 virus "This is no problem." -35/110 virus "HULK SMASH!" -60/90 virus

[@AZ-Drone]

Good guide and first video. Keep them coming. I spend the bulk of my time doing exploration and hacking sites. I’ll watch for your 8 and 6 rules and see how I do. I’m running Asteros and a Stratios most of the time and I’m always searching for sleeper cache sites, hopefully this will help clear the mini game faster.

[@jiiaga5017]

My hacking strategy as a noob is pretty simple. The most important thing I've seen is virus strength, you max it out however it is available to you at your skill value. More important than scanning is being able to clear the boxes. In WH's and ghost sites, straight line to the opposite side of the grid, and at 2/3 to 3/4 of the way across start watching numbers for the direction the core is. Don't detour, remember where you see 1's though. If you pop a "bad" node that strengthens others or reduces your virus strength either kill it directly or hit a couple of the 1's you passed in hopes of a utility. I think the harder cans have way higher % chances to spawn healers and suppressors, has been my experience so far.

[@LoserInChief]

I have only had about 4 hacking minigames (out of many hundreds) where the core was next to the spawn. It is extremely rare and surprising. The 8 node rule of thumb is spot-on, though! Your percentages of tools and defense spawns from white nodes "feels" about right too. However, I have really leaned away from opening white nodes unless I'm desperate, because it "feels" more like 75% of the time it is a defense node. Also, if I am desperate, I am probably about to fail the hack anyway, so it is unlikely I will find anything useful regardless.

[@akshaymohan96]

This video helped me solve the hack safer and helped me find the core when there is nothing in the opposite corner. Thxs bro

[@NightmareNinja91]

Great video! I didn't know about the 8 node exclusion zone before. Better hacking here I come!

[@martyspartan6688]

You have no idea how much this helped me. Thank you so much

[@MrDarchangelomni]

Just relax, be at ease like at a campfire with friends, then just be yourself... selves that are not our self are what interest most people in a producer, NOT a fake video persona, those are fine for meme and fart joke videos. Content most people want to see long term, has a real person in it, who makes us feel like they are relatable and friendly. You have that I think, you just need to calm down and let it out. Thanks for the explanation, I have watched 16 tutorials before this one... this is by far the most confident I have felt in my hack understanding.

[@SeventhAlkali]

One thing I noticed is if a node has only 1 connection is IS going to be a white node, or rarely, the core. I've hacked with this in mind without fail

[@dutchdefender422]

I think I've found 1-connection empty nodes. They are reasonably rare though, and I didn't have the data to support that they are truly different from 3-connection nodes.

[@tabarnoucheinterplanetary]

Absolute classic EVE research. Mad respect.

[@antypanag1]

thanks for these 2 vids - very informative !!!! since then no other vid of you exists hope you are well !!!

[@ivoschoenmakers7864]

Hi, I'm well. I've found that whilst I enjoyed doing the analysis, coming up with theories and reverse engineering the minigame, I did not enjoy the process of writing a script, recording and editing (I really hated editing). On top of that my laptop got stolen at one point, which contained all my slides and raw video footage.

[@antypanag1]

@@ivoschoenmakers7864 since you are ok all are ok wish you happy new year greedings from Greece !

[@maximusultra9928]

probably the best resource for hacking ive seen so far sent my hacking attempts on terimon and crimson from ~15 to

[@Markty07]

26:00 Take the least amount of "unsafe" nodes ! By coming from the right we go trough 2 unsafe nodes before being protected by the rule of six, but going to the left of the screen will get you 3 unsafe nodes before being protected by the rule of six.

[@VistaOneStudios]

thanks for sending this over! I'm def going to watch before my next expedition!

[@bustatron]

This is likely the best eve hacking video on the internet.

[@cpengel]

This is the best video on relic hacking that I've seen!

[@morrgash]

Thank you very much for taking the time and do all the work to create this guide ☺

[@KataMatthaion]

I'm brand new to EvE and have taken up exploration almost exclusively. This guide was incredibly helpful to me. I can only imagine the amount of time and effort that went in to producing this. Both my time to hack and success rate immediately and considerably increased thanks to this, so thank you!

[@vojtechvasut9609]

Saw this video 2-3 yrs ago and now that i got back to the game adter a 2yr break its a great refresh - (also why no comments allowed on the mid spawn vid?)

[@ddh97]

This is a lecture about eve hacking. Thanks

[@321GhostRider123]

Very helpfull for me as exploration beginner

[@konstantinzavgorodniy3098]

This a great guide, thank you for the time you have spent on this.

[@S31Syntax]

I'm confused at the virus health numbers. I've got an identical setup and my coherence is only 80.

[@dutchdefender422]

Yes, I struggled about how to say this. When I was doing the hacks back in 2016 there were no Alpha clones. I used Archeology/Hacking 4 + 1 rig, later I used level 5 + 0 rigs. Now you can get the same virus health by getting lvl 3 + 2 rigs. My advice would be that you get a 25-90 virus for relic hacking and a 25-70 virus for data hacking. That is, if you're doing pirate sites. Relic sites contain way more loot, so missing a can there will hurt more. In Hisec I'd do it the other way around as in sleeper caches and ghost sites your data-virus is the one that matters most.

[@fenriders7008]

@@dutchdefender422 have you tried using the zeugma integrated analyser in conjunction with the black glass implant? It trivialises the mini game.

[@tesciu00]

Hi, you've reminded me how inteligent eve players may be. This is a awesome video. Is there any chance that you could compile all the charts and ilustrations and post it somwhere? It's hard to scroll throu the video while hacking in 0.0 and there is a lot to remember about.

[@yinyangmeditation531]

Great video, very informative! Thanks

[@kubankhaos]

Yeap.....this IS the type of video i was looking for. I dont want people to explain what hacking is or fits while speaking slowly as if im mentally challenged. Get to the point, gimme the meat and potatoes. This video gave me some dessert as well.

[@cyan2925]

This is perfect, man, my respect.

[@Herigin]

Still got the core earlier than 8, when there were places 8 steps away and i was starting in the corner. Maybe there must be more than certain number of available locations to use them for the core, else -random?

[@dutchdefender422]

At the time of making this video I didn't know it was possible, but now I'd say that you likely started in a 3+connected node. Watch my second video if you want to know more! With regards to hacking strategy it's fairly irrelevant though, the chance you'll get a hack with a RED core closer than 8 is less than 2%. Remembering "before 8 its bait" is more important than the rare exceptions to the rule. Thanks for watching!

[@Notyourbusinesschap]

I've learned a ton, thank you!

[@vevenaneathna]

good video. very thourough. it was a little hard to follow because it seemed like the mic kept cutting in and out or had some lag to it in detecting your voice? also the rate of u talking kept varying. but this is like everything anyone could ever need to know about this so thank you

[@taylorrana-ruby391]

Amazing, keep up the great work.

[@SAMARTBO]

this guide make hacking so faster and success!

[@elvismalkic3024]

not sure if in the 2y something changed drastically, but I just had a red core 2 nodes from the start point... just fyi

[@NohusBluxome]

The video explains when that happens and when the distance of 8 does not apply, or was that a different situation?

[@jamegumb7298]

I bought a few Purloined (was that the word?) Sansha Data Analyzer. Looked good when I saw the virus coherence and then other thing on there.

[@geshscale6068]

I Once got a 2 move core. I went forward got a wrench, and then the core.

[@overthebars6983]

Amazingly informative video! Thanks and keep it up o7 Subbed

[@zekekyoku590]

1/4+1/4+1/6+1/3=1 so that could be it for the spawn rate thing

[@jorgegarcia6096]

The t2 modules are a great help

[@Ultramar396]

Best actually useful guide! btw when did "full map bonus" activates for the repair utility?

[@wayneyessir6350]

i recently had a hack that the finish was only nodes from the start. It was a red hack.

[@IainPackham]

Really useful video. Thank you!

[@hundun5604]

If you calculate the spawn point as the 1st node, then it is before 9 and not 8. That's what the image's showing @ 6:05. I'm nitpicking here. It's a great guide nonetheless. Tyvm, dankjewel!

[@mrv6554]

You still around these days? I'm happy to continue to investigate your mid spawn theories if you are!

[@mattisback4more]

Great video! Very helpful. :)

[@Zaibis2]

I had it a few days ago that the core was right in front of my spawn. So you say that was a bug and not just statistically extreme unlikely?

[@Zaibis2]

Nevermind..... I should hold my feet tight and liste 🙈

[@Viddub]

This should be a Ted talk

[@grahamdixon1699]

Breathe man. Amazing information

[@tjerkeman5369]

this video is very helpful, thank you!

[@bladerunner6583]

All sounds plausible, however, map at 21:07 doesn't correspond to your "before 8" calculations - except for bottom line, that is

[@Fi77on]

i know this is 4 years old now but just came accross it. your talking about before 8 its bait? i've have plenty that were finished before 8 with some cores even being the first node i clicked.

[@sirtrix.]

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[@drelincolin8628]

You reminded me of Beavus and Buthead 🤣

[@КириллБелов-э9ъ]

Man thank you so much for the job!

[@ContainerRecords]

Hey, am i allowed use this knowledge from this tutorial an create a german one of this ?

[@dutchdefender422]

Hi there, Yes you can. You can even create a better English version. Just mention my name somewhere. I have decided that, whilst I love the analysis part, I don´t like video making/editing. So go ahead!

[@ContainerRecords]

@@dutchdefender422 coool thx, keep you updated

[@stratiosastero6880]

please explain why sometimes we have one step core? we just begin hitting nodes and first one we hit is core

[@dutchdefender422]

I believe I do so at 07:00! Basically whenever you spawn in the middle of the map the 8-distance rule doesn't work. Instead it's random (as far as I can tell).

[@jre353seriesenjoyer4]

This was vvery helpful and now i'm able to hack way better

[@anwerololo]

I guess they changed hack minigame recently, i did a few 1 node away cores recently, some of my friends did it too

[@anwerololo]

Okay i read your comment below :)

[@theyellowfury]

Interesting vid. I do most of my hacking in occupied null or wormholes with a cloaky astero so there isn't time for looking at numbers or figuring things out, I just thrash through as quickly as I can. I'm fitting a legion for future use and as it doesn't have so many mid slots I got one of those zeugma analyzers at a good price. But then found out the virus coherence isn't as good as the separate data/relic analyzer IIs. I'm cap stable with full rigs but I suppose I could compromise on that, and I could get a poteque implant too. Any other suggestions as to how I could boost my legion's hacking capability?

[@brendonprophette8890]

zeugma should always be used with the blackglass implant. clears every board

[@cherepanovilya]

This as awesome, thank you so much!

[@xyonblade]

Why is it do you think the rule of 6 is a thing? Just that you really haven't seen anything spawn in a node connected to 6 other nodes? I'll need to keep an eye out for this.

[@dutchdefender422]

Interesting question. Euhm, from a game design perspective it might feel bad to have single defense system block 6 nodes (or 5 since you opened 1 to get there). That would be my best guess. From a more game-mechanical perspective it is clear that connectivity has a lot of influence on the game. 2 examples are given in this video, I also know that when you spawn theres a maximum for 2 connections, and I'm sure that if we will ever "figure out" the minigame we'll find more related to connectivity.

[@xyonblade]

@@dutchdefender422 That's a good point.

[@pmcmva]

Lot of information, appreciate the effort. Delivery was rough to listen through though. Ums and uhs really distracting. Just an observation. About to go check the midspawn vid 👍

[@Shadow3327]

Great job, man!

[@arnislapsa1619]

there's also those lower HP firewalls. I tend to break them straight up - opens a lot of map and generally seems to be worth it (unless you hit restoration, suppressor in next 2 hits)

[@arnislapsa1619]

also - generally it's best to keep white nodes untouched (until you find the core if you need them)

[@arnislapsa1619]

suppressors suck the most. best target for hawkeye

[@arnislapsa1619]

when landing restoration, if there's other defense systems, do NOT hit the wrench as activating it counts as an additional turn (will heal up def systems)

[@DamnedMachine]

Phenomenal guide bro!

[@im_sorry_dave5117]

Hits 👍 hits save

[@Taaz2]

Awesome information and work. Still, you should push the whole sound layer thru some normalizer and then reupload it, the voice ups and downs are barely bearable.

[@johndavid1708]

damn i had a game where the red core what the first node after spawn the other day but i didnt screenshoted it x) if only i knew

[@FizzleFX]

This is basically Minesweeper :I

[@this.is.a.username]

jfc this makes me hate ccp even more for that stupid minigame. should've just left hacking alone

[@JosshRocket]

Wow such depth

[@JaredWilliamScott]

Thanks for the fantastic video

[@ruudcools2866]

Cool vid mate!

[@xasanth6318]

sorry what was your name again? could you please show it 5 seconds longer? ;)

[@Cheper]

Great analysis! thx

[@andrejw545]

Thanks for this video :)

[@epeeypen]

thank you for your work.

[@Risk_090]

20:15 yay kitty cat

[@marcovalentinoalvarado3290]

I gave you a like for the cat.

[@popanda3652]

Thank you!

[@jrgenblomvik2515]

Good job

[@Billy_West]

I shit you not... in 4 bubbles it was core with a wrench just before it in Null for 2.2 mill... Blew my mind..

[@brunodominguez2837]

This like is for the kitten 😂

[@pup5330]

Thx for the info