Relic / data guide - Eve online - Before 8 it's bait

In this video I share my results from analyzing 100 hacks. I hope that this video will help you in your own hacking.

[@dutchdefender422]

Hello, Since making this video I have made a new video talking about "midspawns". If you are still wondering about how those close-core spawns happen defintely watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4XLlq2vpbZmitU

[@FizzleFX]

A very good guide, thanks. Though i think if you had a script (and a breath blocker on the mic) it would be a lot more professional. The content was great, the delivery could use another attempt. Though i take good information over perfect delivery every day

[@scotrod5221]

Hey and thank you so much for the guide! Can you confirm whether CCP didn't massage the creation process after your video? Meaning the algorithms for creating the minigames have been drastically changed?

[@goofytycooner5519]

I've seen tons of videos talking about exploration, but this one is definitely the most in-depth. I've been exploring for months and I never realized a lot of these things, thank you so much for this info

[@spookyyy3]

why hello there goofy

[@Official.MasterLevi]

and u die after exploration by neuts hahaha

[@xenith21]

As an analyst by trade, this was a quality video. I main exploration on my primary character and have been giving out advice to corp members on how to get through the hacking game based on my experience. This is going to push my ability to the next level and give the newcomers a fighting edge, great content.

[@redicanprime1181]

Geez. Initially I thought to myself, "I am not going to watch a 30 minute video on hacking". I have a swing and whoa! Crazy good video. Stayed on point too. No puff puff wasting words and time. All good info organized in an almost college life lesson plan.

[@KrossFire330]

I swear ive had an exit node spawn right next to my starting node, at least less than 8 nodes. But now after watching this video I will keep an eye out for such a thing and provide a screenshot if I am able to replicate it. Thank you for this video

[@dutchdefender422]

Hey, did you watch the whole video? at 07:00 I explain that this is possible, albeit rare. If you spawn in the middle, the core can spawn anywhere!

[@dutchdefender422]

Scratch that. I made a video to answer your question fully! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4XLlq2vpbZmitU

[@takechixd8771]

Haha, a bit late but had my core spawn legit next to me, the next node to the right of my spawn. Fastest and easiest ISK of my life lmfao

[@arnislapsa1619]

yeah, had core on first touch too. that happens when start lands on middle of the map and game fails to figure out where to place the core

[@JonnyPew]

Excellent explanation of this. "Before 8 it's bait" has been of great help to me. Thank you.

[@user-mj5ss3vw4g]

your guide made my hackings so much better. Night and day difference using the before 8 it's bait strat. Thanks!

[@lukewinter5153]

awesome guide I went from having around a 25% success rate to above an 80% success rate cant thank you enough

[@hikerdude5265]

Most comprehensive description of Hack Game rules and tactics I've seen yet. Great work, thanks!

[@mlong35]

Came for the bait, stayed for the kitten. 10/10.

[@kaijuseansy8122]

The quality of these 2 videos were amazing! I will have them bookmarked for years to come. Thanks for sharing your findings!

[@syxaxisphotography4092]

Absolutely superb! More people, who are serious about hacking, need to see this. I really enjoy watching people take something apart and detail their findings. Nice work!

[@skyraven9808]

3rd time watching this vid over 3 years TY ! Great refresher !

[@tabarnoucheinterplanetary]

Absolute classic EVE research. Mad respect.

[@AZ-Drone]

Good guide and first video. Keep them coming. I spend the bulk of my time doing exploration and hacking sites. I’ll watch for your 8 and 6 rules and see how I do. I’m running Asteros and a Stratios most of the time and I’m always searching for sleeper cache sites, hopefully this will help clear the mini game faster.

[@Sonnata23]

This is an AWESOME guide ! Im new in eve and i love learning more about exploration and hacking. Thank you so much for the guide !

[@maximusultra9928]

probably the best resource for hacking ive seen so far sent my hacking attempts on terimon and crimson from ~15 to

[@constructioneerful]

That's quite a stunning first video!! Nice one.

[@rubyjohn]

Best hacking guide I've ever seen. Fantastic video!!!

[@Jackpkmn]

"Gonna have to take this very carefully." -25/90 virus "This is no problem." -35/110 virus "HULK SMASH!" -60/90 virus

[@VistaOneStudios]

thanks for sending this over! I'm def going to watch before my next expedition!

[@kubankhaos]

Yeap.....this IS the type of video i was looking for. I dont want people to explain what hacking is or fits while speaking slowly as if im mentally challenged. Get to the point, gimme the meat and potatoes. This video gave me some dessert as well.

[@MrDarchangelomni]

Just relax, be at ease like at a campfire with friends, then just be yourself... selves that are not our self are what interest most people in a producer, NOT a fake video persona, those are fine for meme and fart joke videos. Content most people want to see long term, has a real person in it, who makes us feel like they are relatable and friendly. You have that I think, you just need to calm down and let it out. Thanks for the explanation, I have watched 16 tutorials before this one... this is by far the most confident I have felt in my hack understanding.

[@LoserInChief]

I have only had about 4 hacking minigames (out of many hundreds) where the core was next to the spawn. It is extremely rare and surprising. The 8 node rule of thumb is spot-on, though! Your percentages of tools and defense spawns from white nodes "feels" about right too. However, I have really leaned away from opening white nodes unless I'm desperate, because it "feels" more like 75% of the time it is a defense node. Also, if I am desperate, I am probably about to fail the hack anyway, so it is unlikely I will find anything useful regardless.

[@akshaymohan96]

This video helped me solve the hack safer and helped me find the core when there is nothing in the opposite corner. Thxs bro

[@martyspartan6688]

You have no idea how much this helped me. Thank you so much

[@morrgash]

Thank you very much for taking the time and do all the work to create this guide ☺

[@konstantinzavgorodniy3098]

This a great guide, thank you for the time you have spent on this.

[@NightmareNinja91]

Great video! I didn't know about the 8 node exclusion zone before. Better hacking here I come!

[@321GhostRider123]

Very helpfull for me as exploration beginner

[@mattisback4more]

Great video! Very helpful. :)

[@ddh97]

This is a lecture about eve hacking. Thanks

[@cpengel]

This is the best video on relic hacking that I've seen!

[@Ultramar396]

Best actually useful guide! btw when did "full map bonus" activates for the repair utility?

[@Markty07]

26:00 Take the least amount of "unsafe" nodes ! By coming from the right we go trough 2 unsafe nodes before being protected by the rule of six, but going to the left of the screen will get you 3 unsafe nodes before being protected by the rule of six.

[@taylorrana-ruby391]

Amazing, keep up the great work.

[@antypanag1]

thanks for these 2 vids - very informative !!!! since then no other vid of you exists hope you are well !!!

[@ivoschoenmakers7864]

Hi, I'm well. I've found that whilst I enjoyed doing the analysis, coming up with theories and reverse engineering the minigame, I did not enjoy the process of writing a script, recording and editing (I really hated editing). On top of that my laptop got stolen at one point, which contained all my slides and raw video footage.

[@antypanag1]

@@ivoschoenmakers7864 since you are ok all are ok wish you happy new year greedings from Greece !

[@IainPackham]

Really useful video. Thank you!

[@KataMatthaion]

I'm brand new to EvE and have taken up exploration almost exclusively. This guide was incredibly helpful to me. I can only imagine the amount of time and effort that went in to producing this. Both my time to hack and success rate immediately and considerably increased thanks to this, so thank you!

[@tjerkeman5369]

this video is very helpful, thank you!

[@cherepanovilya]

This as awesome, thank you so much!

[@DamnedMachine]

Phenomenal guide bro!

[@cyan2925]

This is perfect, man, my respect.

[@grahamdixon1699]

Breathe man. Amazing information

[@Shadow3327]

Great job, man!

[@Cheper]

Great analysis! thx

[@SeventhAlkali]

One thing I noticed is if a node has only 1 connection is IS going to be a white node, or rarely, the core. I've hacked with this in mind without fail

[@dutchdefender422]

I think I've found 1-connection empty nodes. They are reasonably rare though, and I didn't have the data to support that they are truly different from 3-connection nodes.

[@jorgegarcia6096]

The t2 modules are a great help

[@SAMARTBO]

this guide make hacking so faster and success!

[@andrejw545]

Thanks for this video :)

[@tesciu00]

Hi, you've reminded me how inteligent eve players may be. This is a awesome video. Is there any chance that you could compile all the charts and ilustrations and post it somwhere? It's hard to scroll throu the video while hacking in 0.0 and there is a lot to remember about.

[@JaredWilliamScott]

Thanks for the fantastic video

[@ruudcools2866]

Cool vid mate!

[@popanda3652]

Thank you!

[@jre353seriesenjoyer4]

This was vvery helpful and now i'm able to hack way better

[@epeeypen]

thank you for your work.

[@S31Syntax]

I'm confused at the virus health numbers. I've got an identical setup and my coherence is only 80.

[@dutchdefender422]

Yes, I struggled about how to say this. When I was doing the hacks back in 2016 there were no Alpha clones. I used Archeology/Hacking 4 + 1 rig, later I used level 5 + 0 rigs. Now you can get the same virus health by getting lvl 3 + 2 rigs. My advice would be that you get a 25-90 virus for relic hacking and a 25-70 virus for data hacking. That is, if you're doing pirate sites. Relic sites contain way more loot, so missing a can there will hurt more. In Hisec I'd do it the other way around as in sleeper caches and ghost sites your data-virus is the one that matters most.

[@fenriders7008]

@@dutchdefender422 have you tried using the zeugma integrated analyser in conjunction with the black glass implant? It trivialises the mini game.

[@JosshRocket]

Wow such depth

[@Zaibis2]

I had it a few days ago that the core was right in front of my spawn. So you say that was a bug and not just statistically extreme unlikely?

[@Zaibis2]

Nevermind..... I should hold my feet tight and liste 🙈

[@pup5330]

Thx for the info

[@Viddub]

This should be a Ted talk

[@zekekyoku590]

1/4+1/4+1/6+1/3=1 so that could be it for the spawn rate thing

[@Fi77on]

i know this is 4 years old now but just came accross it. your talking about before 8 its bait? i've have plenty that were finished before 8 with some cores even being the first node i clicked.

[@jamegumb7298]

I bought a few Purloined (was that the word?) Sansha Data Analyzer. Looked good when I saw the virus coherence and then other thing on there.

[@vevenaneathna]

good video. very thourough. it was a little hard to follow because it seemed like the mic kept cutting in and out or had some lag to it in detecting your voice? also the rate of u talking kept varying. but this is like everything anyone could ever need to know about this so thank you

[@theyellowfury]

Interesting vid. I do most of my hacking in occupied null or wormholes with a cloaky astero so there isn't time for looking at numbers or figuring things out, I just thrash through as quickly as I can. I'm fitting a legion for future use and as it doesn't have so many mid slots I got one of those zeugma analyzers at a good price. But then found out the virus coherence isn't as good as the separate data/relic analyzer IIs. I'm cap stable with full rigs but I suppose I could compromise on that, and I could get a poteque implant too. Any other suggestions as to how I could boost my legion's hacking capability?

[@brendonprophette8890]

zeugma should always be used with the blackglass implant. clears every board

[@vojtechvasut9609]

Saw this video 2-3 yrs ago and now that i got back to the game adter a 2yr break its a great refresh - (also why no comments allowed on the mid spawn vid?)

[@carsonstruble858]

20:15 yay kitty cat

[@marcovalentinoalvarado3290]

I gave you a like for the cat.

[@im_sorry_dave5117]

Hits 👍 hits save

[@elvismalkic3024]

not sure if in the 2y something changed drastically, but I just had a red core 2 nodes from the start point... just fyi

[@NohusBluxome]

The video explains when that happens and when the distance of 8 does not apply, or was that a different situation?

[@ContainerRecords]

Hey, am i allowed use this knowledge from this tutorial an create a german one of this ?

[@dutchdefender422]

Hi there, Yes you can. You can even create a better English version. Just mention my name somewhere. I have decided that, whilst I love the analysis part, I don´t like video making/editing. So go ahead!

[@ContainerRecords]

@@dutchdefender422 coool thx, keep you updated

[@stratiosastero6880]

please explain why sometimes we have one step core? we just begin hitting nodes and first one we hit is core

[@dutchdefender422]

I believe I do so at 07:00! Basically whenever you spawn in the middle of the map the 8-distance rule doesn't work. Instead it's random (as far as I can tell).

[@FizzleFX]

This is basically Minesweeper :I

[@anwerololo]

I guess they changed hack minigame recently, i did a few 1 node away cores recently, some of my friends did it too

[@anwerololo]

Okay i read your comment below :)

[@johndavid1708]

damn i had a game where the red core what the first node after spawn the other day but i didnt screenshoted it x) if only i knew

[@xyonblade]

Why is it do you think the rule of 6 is a thing? Just that you really haven't seen anything spawn in a node connected to 6 other nodes? I'll need to keep an eye out for this.

[@dutchdefender422]

Interesting question. Euhm, from a game design perspective it might feel bad to have single defense system block 6 nodes (or 5 since you opened 1 to get there). That would be my best guess. From a more game-mechanical perspective it is clear that connectivity has a lot of influence on the game. 2 examples are given in this video, I also know that when you spawn theres a maximum for 2 connections, and I'm sure that if we will ever "figure out" the minigame we'll find more related to connectivity.

[@xyonblade]

@@dutchdefender422 That's a good point.

[@loxavorna608]

Ти просто святий..

[@brunodominguez2837]

This like is for the kitten 😂

[@Billy_West]

I shit you not... in 4 bubbles it was core with a wrench just before it in Null for 2.2 mill... Blew my mind..

[@xasanth6318]

sorry what was your name again? could you please show it 5 seconds longer? ;)

[@hundun5604]

If you calculate the spawn point as the 1st node, then it is before 9 and not 8. That's what the image's showing @ 6:05. I'm nitpicking here. It's a great guide nonetheless. Tyvm, dankjewel!

[@pmcmva]

Lot of information, appreciate the effort. Delivery was rough to listen through though. Ums and uhs really distracting. Just an observation. About to go check the midspawn vid 👍

[@bladerunner6583]

All sounds plausible, however, map at 21:07 doesn't correspond to your "before 8" calculations - except for bottom line, that is

[@arnislapsa1619]

there's also those lower HP firewalls. I tend to break them straight up - opens a lot of map and generally seems to be worth it (unless you hit restoration, suppressor in next 2 hits)

[@arnislapsa1619]

also - generally it's best to keep white nodes untouched (until you find the core if you need them)

[@arnislapsa1619]

suppressors suck the most. best target for hawkeye

[@arnislapsa1619]

when landing restoration, if there's other defense systems, do NOT hit the wrench as activating it counts as an additional turn (will heal up def systems)

[@Taaz2]

Awesome information and work. Still, you should push the whole sound layer thru some normalizer and then reupload it, the voice ups and downs are barely bearable.

[@fireworkteamcybervamp8671]

Eve is al lang geen spel meer waarin korpsen als teams spelen. Iedereen is gewoon geil voor steeds meer geld of geil om kleine spelers kapot te maken. Communicatie is voor de kont. Iedereen doet zijn eigen ding, maar niets wordt gedaan als een team. En terwijl kleine spelers wat geld proberen te verzamelen, worden de spelverslaafden met hun 5 tot 10 accounts van welke duur dan ook rijker. Ik ben blij dat ik lid ben van de FuelRats in Elite Dangerous. WIJ HELPEN DE SPELERS NOG STEEDS. Wat kan alleen met geld in EVE.

[@Xf31]

Nederlander?

[@emannurhakim807]

yeah the guide is nice truly.. just the audio.. hurting my head still thank you for making the guide

[@this.is.a.username]

jfc this makes me hate ccp even more for that stupid minigame. should've just left hacking alone

[@ESAPOWER]

Man I can see you put a lot of work in here, and the information is empirical and well displayed. But if I hear one more mid-sentencr "Uhhhhhh..." I'm going to excise it from my brain with a fucking shotgun lol. Could I suggest doing these videos with a script and working on reading it in clear sentences? I feel so triggered lol. I genuinely can't finish the video.

[@zacharygamble6208]

the audio on this is really... really.. bad