Even More Alt-Friendly Character Features And Other Big Updates In 9.2.5 PTR! - WoW: Shadowlands 9.2

[@ruanlehanie5851]

The lesson they have taught me: Play only the last patch of every expansion , everything before is a pointless grind.

[@jac1897]

You really just learned blizzard doesnt give a fuck?

[@lolz616]

What they don't realize is the reason people like Mists of Pandaria is because they could actually gear 4 ALTS. You couldn't do that in Shadowlands, it was a single character grind that's why Shadowlands was so disliked. How does Blizzard not get that people want to play the game they don't want to grind conduits, covenant abilities, campaign quests, etc all these side systems that make it a nightmare to do anything more than play 1 toon and grind. Its so easy to fix... make the game simple again with more in world activies heck a world pvp event would be awesome and more in world bosses for the dailies would be much funner and engaging.

[@loganwebb5086]

@Lolz I really enjoyed nazjatar in bfa. mythic plus was pretty fun and if you couldn't find a group you could grind manapearls and get decent benthic gear, and do that for multiple alts. Also you could do that while grinding rep and mounts due to the rares also dropping gear tokens and manapearls.

[@khner3qwe]

@@lolz616 yeah my thoughts too. playing alts is what makes the game fun

[@EverydayDesigner]

That what I do in expansions that suck . Last expansion I played from start to finish was legion .

[@Lucky-yr2ju]

Cross faction guilds would be the best addition yet. It could be probably the most welcomed in the role-playing community.

[@siriusbizniss]

Uhhhhh no.👎🏾🤮

[@Thristed]

Jep!

[@chase8020]

Disgusting

[@ivopoulsen]

lorewise it'd be cool because theres plent7y ,of slave owners that ,do arenas thrall and Varian were both friends with people of the opposite during their times in the arenas

[@zerothelightbringer8874]

It'll happen with time, they are giving us the easier version atm while some of the older systems, like guilds will need more work & might be more difficult.

[@castiex9391]

My one major issue is rep needs to be account wide! Doing the zm questline on multiple toons is a turn off, and yea if u got fresh alts u NEED to do it for those conduit upgrades locked behind rep

[@braydonschwartz5250]

As well as the new unity piece. It’s ridiculous, like yeah it takes 2-3 hours but still every character wtf??

[@Chocoboranger]

God damn this. Make it retroactive as well. those vendors could actually be useful for alts

[@UltimateGamerCC]

ffs you guys are just wanting to have everything handed to you and not earned, if you dont want to play the game, then dont play.

[@Flamebrain189]

@@UltimateGamerCC Yes I would like it handed to me. It is cool doing it the first time on my main, but to farm that rep on all of my alts is horrible. I don't mind earning it once but it should be account wide so that I can spend more time in late game content with all my characters.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@Flamebrain189 nah, if anything the rewards should be account wide, that would be the easier fix and wouldnt take so much of their time, rather than gut the whole rep system.

[@matthewsanford6951]

Would love to see a token that will give your alt exalted rep if your main has already become exalted with a group. That would allow your alts access to patterns and schematics without having to grind rep.

[@Sanguivore]

I'm very excited for all this! :D I'm especially excited to see cross-faction, and the heritage armor system being transitioned into an entire heritage quest system!

[@EmperorC-d3y]

60 Renown should be hotfixed into the game, now. 80 renown with 9.2.5.

[@ChainSmokinWithMom]

takes literally 2-3 hours to max renown

[@EmperorC-d3y]

@@ChainSmokinWithMom ZM added a lot of renown, yes. I stand by what I said regardless.

[@Gingermorso]

@@ChainSmokinWithMom if its only 2 hours then why have it at all?

[@ChainSmokinWithMom]

@@Gingermorso cause progression is an integral part of mmos

[@Gingermorso]

@@ChainSmokinWithMom you know how many alts have I grinded to 80 renown already? And calling grinding a pointless timesink a progression is lying ro yourself

[@SupremoMancoSama]

sandworn gear should also increase the ilvl with cypher of the first ones imo... that way open world people can also feel having power AND if they decide to start playing with mythic plus or pvp and stuff, they have at least 1 step in with the gear...

[@UltimateGamerCC]

maybe they'll do that in Season 4 when ilvl for all other content goes up, otherwise that trumps group content by a mile and we all know Blizzard wont allow that.

[@FuryofTiamat-Flip]

Sandworn relics should be BOA. If you max the console your gear is 252 so the 246 isn't even better than quest rewards but it would be great for an alt.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@FuryofTiamat-Flip in 9.2.5 Sandworn Gear is gonna be a tier ingredient option for Solo/Outdoor players, so they wont become BOA.

[@FuryofTiamat-Flip]

@@UltimateGamerCC oh i thought it was any piece of gear? Its only Sandworn? Dang.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@FuryofTiamat-Flip sadly only M+, Raid, PVP or Sandworn Gear can be made into tier, with charges building on the weekly reset, which will even accumulate for alts or players who get on late in this season.

[@bauer1356]

“Even more alt friendly character features”…. At the end of an expansion

[@JBPVFL]

Well, hopefully this means they continue this on into the next expansion. Fingers crossed anyways. I know it’s easy to just be frustrated at it but just have to hope they learn from player feedback eventually 😂

[@ChiefChaosGremlin]

It’s that or not having it at all. I’ll take having it late versus not having it.

[@xiii0990]

@@JBPVFL sadly this is kind of a trend at this point for the last few expansions. introduce mechanics that make having an alt really tedious and awful then fix those mechanics to become alt friendly in the last or the patch before last of the expansion then rinse repeat. Hopefully the trend breaks but I'm not holding my breath for the time being.

[@37Kilo2]

I understand that frustration, but it's perfect for me because I skipped Shadowlands. I only resubbed last week and have been leveling my alts after unlocking flying. I'm hoping Dragonflight won't suck like the last 2 expansions.

[@szuli5281]

Covenant campaign skip really should be added, im tired of doing same campaign for 4 time

[@jamiro5307]

but you can skip it already? you only have to do it once

[@PendlayRoe]

@@jamiro5307 Most of the time. I recently had to do the first 3 chapters of the Kyrian campaign despite already having fully completed it once. Might be a bug. All the other covenants let med skip straight to soulbinds.

[@mykaelnyx8821]

Stormwind already has a stable. Also one thing I would like is they give you all these new flight forms for your druid, but the only one you're able to use as a mount for grouped content is the Legion Order Hall Mount. They have a bat that is even bigger than the bird, why can't we use that one?

[@menalgharbwalsharq648]

I like that they went hard o ncross faction. This is a total unlock of the feature and it s nice. we have been waiting for it a long time. In fact every addition is sick, this is some nice gifts to the fanbase

[@joacimandersson2557]

The changes to stormwind and orgrimmar in addition to new Heritage rewards for belfs and dark iron dwarves makes me think that humans and orcs will get heritage stuff

[@woodcreature2303]

really do hope so

[@FuryofTiamat-Flip]

Here is an idea. They should let us pick 1 item from each row of rewards. Gimme my Raid piece - We killed 8 bosses. Week after week people walk away from the Raid with nothing at all. Gimme my Mythic piece and my PvP piece - Same point. Stop being so damn stingy with cool stuff.

[@mailboxxy]

You can still understand cross faction if you buy the potion in new dalaran underground sewers far left of the room from the female goblin, Elixir of Tongues. You and the horde have to have it used though. Not to mention if you are a blood elf you can talk to void elves with thalassian under the left speech bubble language option near the chat menu, by going down to language and clicking it, just make sure u switch back to your factions language later. Same can be done for demon hunters when you speak demonic.

[@technicholy1299]

Toilets. They need to add toilets to complete the immersion. Also, litter boxes for Vulpera and some fire hydrants for the Worgen.

[@Bergothgaming]

Super excited for these changes! Wish they would make it so if you upgraded honor gear to 7/7 you could switch the pieces to tier set items like the Sandworn gear (only available if it is upgraded 7/7). Not having this forces people who hate PvE including the questlines to not be able to focus on the ridiculous honor grind it requires but to do the content that we don't enjoy or crossing our fingers that we get a piece in vault in order to get tier pieces.

[@terreurcode]

100% agree this topic should be on community council! Personally i dont like pve, dont like grinding pve to get pvp tiersets its stupid.

[@Kmaitland89]

So should it work the other way? If I upgrade something from Pve mythic + dungeon all the way, should I be able to switch it to top end pvp gear?

[@dayno9049]

@@Kmaitland89 no because you need tier sets to PvP, you don't need PvP gear to PvE

[@Kmaitland89]

@@dayno9049 So if you don't have a tier set, you can't physically pvp? Hm.

[@dayno9049]

@@Kmaitland89 not at a competitive level

[@catalinavarvarei6968]

I want the feral druid form from WoD (Sableron)

[@psychotimo]

IMO they should just link the renown to an achi. keep it at 60 atm, but if you get 80 for all 4 on 1 char you should just unlock renown 80 for all alts. They can maybe add in the need to do all story quests for all 4 covenants, that would make sense. like, turn it into a meta achi, you need the achis to reach renown 80 for all 4 covenants, and need to have the achis for all 4 cov storylines which will then act as an unlock like the way flying works.

[@BlueFireDrakka]

I feel like Blizz should really do a total map update and bring every zone up to the same graphic standard, but thats just me

[@thunder9236]

The renown catch up is alright. It doesnt let you skip the quests tho. And honestly the faction divide should just end, no restrictions. Somehow I can speak with jaina during a raid but outside of the raid I dont speak common. And I want to play some alliance races but my server is 90% horde.

[@Cashinn_Outt1754]

Server populations haven’t mattered since MoP

[@mykaelnyx8821]

Cross Faction should have been implemented a long time ago. Also I really think it's stupid that you're not able to trade gold through the mail on your OWN account. it shouldn't matter what Faction you're on at the time, it's still YOUR account

[@MegaChickenfish]

I didn't expect this would include mailing gold and items between alts on different factions, that is HUGE. I have so much gold on one faction that I can't access on the other because I swapped mains. I don't know if they'll change the way groups work in warmode but it'd be pretty funny if they didn't. "summoning, accept the invite orcdork" "right on gnomeo" * gets ganked by the rest of the group *

[@Briansgate]

3:09 I just tried mailing money from my horde to my alliance on the same server and it wouldn't let me.

[@xamalion7334]

Why not having it up to 80 for every alt if you did it once with your main? Also, accountwide reputation has to come. This endless shitgrinding is no longer a thing. Or make it a choice like the level experience. If some people have fun grinding, let them.

[@fullmetalraven973]

Yes it needs to be 80. And not just if your main has it or not. You also need to think of new players or returning players. It's time wow stops this BS. With time gating. This 9.2.5 isn't going to keep people to stay just for a season 4. Aka 9.3... imo. If they keep how things are now.

[@maxrussell5318]

i think renown 60 is more than enough for returning/new players, if you have the renown 80 achieve then it would make more sense for you to have an upgraded version available for purchase as you've done it already once

[@fullmetalraven973]

@@maxrussell5318 well max this is where I agree to disagree with you. Specially at end of an expansion. And you forgot about alts.

[@Legendszguild]

I think guilds should b within the faction, but they can make a new feature called faction ally or something that allows players to be friendly to a guild of the opposite faction

[@alaskayoung3413]

They do such much with druids. They’re worked on every single update.

[@kyledozier4295]

The renown update looks super good and the cross faction too cant wait

[@dropdet1607]

I wish they would implement the original travel form for druids as a glyph.

[@selwrynn6702]

The new heritage stuff is really cool and all but some races have no heritage gear so it feels kinda bad that races that already do have some are getting more.

[@thatoneguy11ful]

So does this apply to the gear you get from world quests in zeroth Morris? Or just the gear bought from the vendor

[@DalaranGaming]

From what I saw its only Sandworn Relic gear, but maybe over the next few weeks they will add more Zereth Gear to the Catalyst.

[@mwmeister8750]

Sand Worn relics gear turning into tier is currently live right now

[@hg1651]

The renown catch up item should be a toy item you can purchase and use on any alt, much like the flight path toy.

[@maxrussell5318]

renown is more important than flight paths, it gives character power so it makes sense for it not to be a toy

[@Svartig4ldur]

Yay, QOL clanges and alt-friendlyness yet again comes in the FINAL pach of the expansion :D Who would have thought :D

[@dwaffawf586]

still want Reputation to be Alt wide. i dont wanna farm revered or exalted on every alt i have.. -.-

[@meh1994able]

i'm all about the cross faction guildling. as much as i'm an Alliance player through and through. raiding with friends will be 100% easier as a guild together

[@rettbull9100]

I like the mailing to alts. My BE paladin is my high lvl BS and my main is a human warrior. Am my guild's alchemist but have always wanted to drop it for Blacksmithing but now I don't have to worry about it.

[@tantrum761]

Kinda wish they spent their 1 class every 4 expansion on a tinkerer instead of those ugly dragon mages. Like if they were looking to make a class that only 1 race could play on either faction the tinker makes the most sense, give it to goblin and gnome. It could have bombs for dps, some sort of healing or second dps spec with gadgets/pets, and a tank spec where they can put on a mech form.

[@Broly8861]

Would be great if we could also get cross-server mythic raid without some weird gatekeepy thing attatched to it that we have to wait months for.

[@ShaneshaS]

no matter how many alt catchups they do, it'll never be possible for the ordinary player to really make alts, with the cost of legendaries being so high, it's of no use, no one besides boosters or hard/midcore players can actually be able to make alts.

[@williamcolgin1987]

Why are Blood Elves and Dark Irons getting 2nd heritage sets before some races get a first set?

[@AurioDK]

Alt friendly, yes, but not casual friendly ... don´t mistake the two. Random BGs will f.ex. have larger disparity since ZM gear isn´t upped, casuals will fall even further behind.

[@Perchhunter804]

what are the nameplates used in the intro? for example at 0.55min i like how the look original but with wider healthbar

[@kimsahlberg2418]

Think its just normal, but wider from the interface setting

[@R.Jay.Creations]

New moonkin forms and a tree for resto

[@kimdeuel]

I still love my Tauren Druid but still can't stand the basic druid feral form, so I never use it. I would love to fight in the cheetah form. I would like to see our chosen feral forms auto-switch speeds to mounted speed when not in combat, then click on the Flying form if we would rather fly. Just seems silly to change into two different cats just for different speeds, and I'm sad that I can't use my new cheetah form in flying areas at all even though sometimes I want to. The only ground option in flying areas is the original stag one and only if you purchased the glyph in the Dreamgrove. I think both the Night Elf and Tauren moonkin forms could use some updated new options.

[@disadadi8958]

night elf has the best cat form, sadly alliance is dead.

[@yanomamo89]

Is there a limit of 1,000,000 gold that can be sent via the in game mail?

[@UltimateGamerCC]

Sandworn Tier, thank you Blizzard...

[@Maalithian]

Yea wtf is up with that.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@Maalithian honestly i'm glad for it, it's something to work for even if group content isnt your thing, and people can still play with the tier bonus.

[@theChef1337]

I have 80 renown on all 4 characters but the 3rd soulbind is still missing from a few covenants. Do i still need to complete all of the campaigns?

[@vaylox09]

Yes sadly

[@TheLoreGeek]

Every time you say 9.2.5 i hear that song about working Nince to Five.

[@DiGiTMerC]

i wish they would have add all the other heritage armor for every race n sub races.

[@Akahabbekrats]

I hope 9.2.5 will drope soon, i want to play alliance :)

[@OperatorLJ]

Yes lets add new heritage quests to races that have heritage armor already instead of you know finishing the other races off....

[@armaz83]

Lets hope the vessel that makes all conduits to 252 accountwide when U are revered on enlightened rep!

[@Sackboii]

So ready to just be able to play with my friends regardless of what faction they are on.

[@samadams2315]

With Wm on u can't quest together but with it off u can do quests together very nice

[@UltimateGamerCC]

well yeah, you cant war with the other side as your Orc party member looks at you saying "what you doing?"

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

I have 4 charaters one for each covenant how about if we get 80 on that covenant it unlocks for that covenant for all alts

[@MrJuzJoe]

I already have 2 toons max renown on all 4 Covenants. I dont want to do it the third time. Just make the heirloom max out renown to 80 especially on covenant s that players have achieved max renown on their other toons.

[@Runicmyst]

Perfect, right after I used all my sandborn relics as transmog since there was nothing else to do with them, then selling them off because there was no reason to keep them. The pinned comment is correct... there is no reason to play this game till the last patch of the expansion. You just get punished for actually playing. Every single time, without fail.

[@Vashrix]

Use the item restoration service to get your sold pieces back.

[@evilsteve8915]

Cross faction Guild would be amazing! I am a Horde player at heart but all my friends or on the alliance... so I am respectfully forced to play on the alliance.

[@abdullaalolan423]

Rep should be account wide and main storylines I have to do them for all my alts to get my legendary belt !

[@Thegamerslounge33]

What weapon is your hunter tmog

[@ooanticsoo4475]

You finish renowned 80 you are done with that faction with all toons! Once you hit 80 on 1 you can get to 60 on the other factions via item. So a bit of a grind to get all 4 to 80 but no where near as bad!

[@MrTron2008]

Also those renown things are only 500 gold to get to 60 renown? That's actually really good.

[@TandJgaming]

Did they even finish the other heritage armour? And now belfs get 2? Crazy

[@PM995]

What about conduits catch up for alts? The fact that ur still stuck with 200 item lvl conduits is just mental

[@DalaranGaming]

True, that's something they can improve going forward.

[@eltonazevedo1361]

why the fuck they give another fucking wolf mount to dark iron dwarfs if they already have their heritage mount? wtf? a mount for fucking alliance and nothing for horde? why the horde cannot have a Tiger? sense alliance get wolfs, and horde mounts? why not make a tiger with blood on their armor and some spikes in the armor?

[@johannsteeler6689]

bro alliance is literally dead af. it's okay that they get a little love.

[@jacekm5798]

We should get far more character customization. Like we can pick 1000 armors but only 10 haircuts. More shaman or druids form, more totem skin etc.

[@drioum5490]

And a little garden where i can grow potatoes

[@jacekm5798]

@@drioum5490 we used to have this in mop

[@russelljames1582]

What UI bar is that

[@chandlersun3877]

I’m ok with 60, I won’t push for 80 cause 20 renown is really really easy to get

[@wireless211]

Everyone wants honor transfer between Alts they could throw it in now with all the QOL changes!

[@MrLolguy93]

Really hope we get more updates to 9.2.5 Maybe more customization options for Allied Races etc

[@besthobbit]

I'm hyped for cross faction play.

[@muffemod]

I don't want to chase gear man, I just want to play the damn game.

[@emmachihuahua3009]

Blood elves already had their heritage armor?

[@Aphorism89]

Blood knights are a completely different thing.

[@stahliboi6249]

I hope 10.0 is alt friendly af. After playing lost ark and ff14 i will suffer no less.

[@Sprinkles1208]

What about being able to get a second legendary? Are you still going to have to grind a revered to be viable? I barely have time and energy to play, I don’t want to spend time everyday just to farm reputation for 3 weeks

[@DalaranGaming]

Finishing Zereth Mortis story awards you a belt with your second legendary without having to craft one!

[@Sprinkles1208]

@@DalaranGaming I only play brewmaster and their BIS leggo is belt lol

[@SilviTheFox]

how does he get his health bars like that?

[@PinkDevilFish]

Is this out now? I haven't played since last January. I logged in yesterday and was a bit lost.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

9.2.5 PTR but 9.2 has been live for well over a month.

[@PinkDevilFish]

@@UltimateGamerCC Thanks. I quit during 9.0 so wasn't sure where we were now.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@PinkDevilFish ahh i see, well now's the time to dig back into it if you ask me, catch up is so good now you dont even really have to go to Korthia, and i believe that if you did, you basically just do the first few chapters which gets rid of that damn Eye of the Jailer from the Maw.

[@PinkDevilFish]

@The Gaming Paladin I just unlocked flying yesterday and then flying in Zarath today. Hoping to get to the fun now that I can fly.

[@PendlayRoe]

@@PinkDevilFish The game is certainly a 1000 times better than it was before 9.2

[@Thristed]

When is this coming out?

[@magaboi4life414]

How do we can the old cheetah form back? I don’t like the new one or the stag

[@DamageMonste]

What is this unit frame addon called? Looks cool af

[@DalaranGaming]

Its called Easy Frames! I really enjoy the thick health bars and class colors, super useful in PvP!

[@aubsaurusrex]

Not so sure making travel form black and white can be considered a true recolor...

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

its another carrot. After this, during the 10.0 we need to farm the equivalent of torgast or Horrible visions like 20 times (or more) to forge/buy a legendary and farm reputation for new passives (not before farming another borrowed system like renown) in order to perform in heric/mythic raid.

[@foreverhumanpodcast]

Cross faction is really fucking huge

[@farkas266]

Man who is the pala in the video thumbnail, i wanna steal that mog, looks dope?

[@Rattlefatblobcow]

That is certainly a speaking style

[@theusernameicoodfind]

wait all expansion for it to become alt friendly... idk i feel like i just complain about everything nowadays i wish they'd unlock chromie time for 50-60 because the shadowlands leveling sucks and i'd much rather go back to a cata zone or hell level up in thousand needles again, i love that boat questline

[@YT-mp7ei]

Hippo bear form and alpaca travel form.

[@Miridafeo]

Plz blizz do something with Silvermoon.

[@sykort778]

Cross-faction is available for pvp yet from what I've seen so far

[@Ivan.Nikolic]

no pvp gear catchup? :( as we had in 9.1.5 :/

[@kornfreak78]

The covenant renown should be 80... not 60. Simple as that.

[@filipepereira5731]

make it 80 renown as long as you have one cov 80 on main!

[@MrTron2008]

Can you cross faction dungeons?

[@sethxtekken]

Cross faction is shit idea for me. It could be easily replaced by Mercenary Mode. And guild cross faction is bad idea. The alt friendly is not enough at all, still each alt you have to go through the whole storyline of the covenant to get the 3 bitches of soul binds. Still you have to go through zerith to get second legendary or farm the reputation Revered. Still going to torghast to get legendary countless of times. Not enough, the expansion has alot of nonsensical farming Also i want to thank you very very very much for this video, really appreciated the time you put. Thanks❤️

[@dribbler8131]

Wearing 1h swords on the back, Equip to Back or Equip to Hip.. Should be added some 1h swords look like trash on the hip.

[@Docris]

I just played for a week, big pvp guy but the balancing is horrible I don’t think I’m playing any more shadowlands or even the next expansion if the balancing stays fucked

[@krypttik]

alt friendly from the start of a expansion not near the end of the expansion

[@bane9951]

Its gonna take me a bit to adjust to the fact i will be playing with trolls I will have to get past my troll racism somehow

[@ailaf09]

At this point it makes no sense to just make cross-faction gameplay available in every aspect. Guilds etc.