Evening Message: Covenant Theology vs Dispensationalism (01/30/2022)

What Is Dispensationalism?
A Contrast with Covenantalism
Galatians 6:16
Pastor Jesse Johnson
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[@markdavis4318]

Any temple in which Christ reigns physically and personally, and yet at the same time endorses actual animal sacrifice is an abomination and a heresy. Christ was and is the one sacrifice for all time! There is no more need for sacrifice. I say this because the function of the OT temple was for the purpose of sacrifice for the atonement for sins. Jesus fulfilled this in Himself.

[@boaz63]

The unfortunate ignorance of this statement lies in the fact that not all temple sacrifices were for sin or atonement. Yes, those will no longer be a part of the future temple worship. But there are many other kinds of sacrifices besides those, meant only for worship and having nothing to do with sin or atonement. 🙏

[@ArmyMedicRN]

This is what actually got me out of dispensationalism. Ezekiels third temple

[@ArmyMedicRN]

​@@boaz63this shows you do not understand what the prophecy of the millennium is about. Read Ezekiel and the coming temple. It says black and white that there will be animal sin offerings, not memorial or in remembrance, but full bore First Temple sacrifices.

[@houseonthehill8485]

Genesis records Abraham to be the father of MANY NATIONS, not a nation. Many Nations would be more than just Israel

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Sure! you're right. But only one is chosen. "Jacob have I loved and Esau I hated." Seems unfair but God knows more than me. BTW, Arabs alone are many nations.

[@johnj9267]

@@edwardwalsh5477 It's not hated in the sense we understand..."loved less "would be better.

[@Imsaved777]

Through the Seed of Abraham will ALL nations be blessed. The Seed is Jesus Christ. Galatians 3:16.

[@pcjenkin]

The reason why there is some anger and resentment towards Dispensationalists is because many feel that they were used simply for Israel's benefit. They went to Church to learn about Jesus Christ and were basically indoctrinated with some pseudo-religious form of Christian Zionism. That's where the resentment comes from. They wanted to learn about Christ, and were taught 'Bless Israel and be Blessed.'

[@chapmaned24]

After Jesus rose from the dead, he spoke about him fulfilling everything about him in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets. With the attitude like what you have, you would have missed the FIRST coming of Jesus. The Jews had the book, and they didn't see it. You want Jesus to speak PLAINLY. But he doesn't do that.

[@ByGraceThruFaith8453]

Coming from an Independent Fundamental Baptist background I have to agree with this statement. They even had an Israeli flag on the platform. Sigh...

[@pcjenkin]

@@ByGraceThruFaith8453 There is a Church building that a few Churches would use, and they used to have an Israeli flag on one side of the stage, and an American flag on the other. It's been gone for about 5 years now though.

[@ByGraceThruFaith8453]

@@pcjenkin Praise the Lord for that!

[@yvettetrujillo1856]

I agree, we have been manipulated, they have made us think that we would be cursed if we disfavor( criticize The State Of Israel ) and that’s Christian are afraid , we were saved by the Blood Of Jesus Christ on the CROSS, so that we can be confident, nothing can separate us from the love of God, we as Christian do not owe Anything to the State of Israel. Hod command us to preach the good news to the world and that’s include the people that live in Israel instead going there to plant olive trees in the new neighborhoods which are located in the occupied territories . Both Jews and Arab person will go there hell if they do not accept Jesus as a personal savior 😢

[@pastorernestalbuquerque4770]

Dispensationalism is the only view makes sense to me biblically. Thanks so much Pastor for your excellent exposition on this subject. God bless.

[@ynot5253]

It is very important to know what a person believes and why, that being said, please look up the history of John Darby, C I Schofield, and Dallas Theological school history. I am a Covenant Bible believer, post trib, pre wrath…. God bless in your search.

[@pcjenkin]

For those of the 'Bless Israel and be Blessed crowd.' "Then the LORD said to Abram, “Leave your country, your kindred, and your father’s household, and go to the land I will show you (Abram). I will make you (Abram) into a great nation, and I will bless you (Abram); I will make your name great (Abram), so that you (Abram) will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you (Abram) and curse those who curse you (Abram); and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you (Abram).” Genesis 12:1-3.

[@mikekulati7526]

@pcjenkins... And what possible heretical twist do you want to turn this into...!!? It's clear as green grass on a summer's day in the prairie... "Bless Israel and be blessed!"

[@bobhutton1409]

A very good book on the subject is by C C Ryrie simply entitled "Dispensationalism". Mr Ryrie is very respectful to the covenant theology position and appeals to all believers to be charitable in their assessments of these 2 schools of thought.

[@mkshffr4936]

Having spent decades as a Baptistic-Arminio-Dispy struggling to making what I was being taught fit with scripture. This lead to my becoming Reformed in my latter years.

[@gwreevesReeves]

Whatever environment you're in, eat the meat and spit out the bones. I've been to Baptist and PCA churches, and found that there were 'bones' in each....dispensationalism....hyper-Calvinism (no free will)....paedo-baptism.... At the end of the day, we just need to read our Bibles and treat commentaries/creeds as error-prone tools, at best.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Too bad.

[@gerard4870]

Yep. There is bad teachers out there, ain't there?

[@princeofpeaceproductions3506]

Spent decades as a reformed Augusti-allegorical struggling to make what I was taught fit with scripture.this lead me to becoming dispensational and literal in my hermeneutic… so glad I found the truth

[@JL-cb8gl]

Interesting. I went the opposite way.

[@bruce-g7s]

Vine= Israel. True Vine = Christ & all in Him (True Israel)

[@lufknuht5960]

Israel is limited to the Family of Jacob. They have special oath sworn by YHWH to a piece of land, the Land of Israel. You cannot quote 1 Bible verse that says that Israel is the Church, which has no claim on that land.

[@bruce-g7s]

@@lufknuht5960 Gal 6: 14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which[a] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule - to[b] the Israel of God. Is 49:1 Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: before I was born the Lord called me; from my mother’s womb he has spoken my name. 2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me; he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quiver. 3 He said to me, ‘You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendour.’

[@johnmarston8868]

@@lufknuht5960 judeizer, I rebuke you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!

[@rustys5111]

@@lufknuht5960 Interestingly, the n.t. never mentions the return to the land plainly, whereas most all other o.t. promises are mentioned. Jesus said that the "land" goes to the meek. Hebrews says implies that the land were figurative, and that we look for the heavenly land rather than the real estate in Israel. Revelation doesnt mention it, but does show the new Jerusalem, which is the bride, the church, and all believers are obviously part of that with no racial distinctions. @ Peter 3 says that, upon His return, Jesus burns up the earth and creates the new earth.

[@earth9531]

@54:07 Where EXACTLY are you getting that Jesus will rule THROUGH the Nation of Israel????? He will physically come. He will physically rule for a literal 1000 years. He will rule FROM Israel, and THROUGH HIS CHURCH!

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

I think the dispensational view breaks up the Bible too much. Though a dispensationalist may say that God saves by grace through faith throughout the Bible, their way of dividing up the Bible implies that God is different in the Old Testament than in the New. God is the same; He never changes. Years before I ever started looking into covenant theology, I recall thinking--while sitting in a Sunday sermon in a dispensational church--"Abraham was saved by grace through faith. I'm saved by grace, through faith. David was saved by grace, through faith. Rahab was saved by grace, through faith. Paul was saved by grace, through faith. God is the same, all the time." I would say I came to this understanding in spite of the dispensational church, rather than because of it. By way of critique in this presentation, the Davidic Covenant is not the first time the Messiah was promised. He was first promised in Genesis. So, the reader of the Bible will then be looking for this promise to be fulfilled. Who would this Seed be that would crush the serpent's head? The Old Testament then talks about where He will come from. More specifics are given about the coming Savior as time passes. A rather big portion of the revelation was given to David, letting all readers and hearers of the word know that the Savior would come from David's line. More and more specifics about the coming Messiah were given even after David's time.

[@arseniomarcelino923]

😢😢😢😢😢 if God changing one thing didn't change since the beginning of this world 😢😢😢😢😢

[@arseniomarcelino923]

His Purpose to Humanity

[@fireee5488]

For Moses, David, and the Jews, they were saved by faith and works... This was clear, for example in David's case, as he was afraid of losing the holy spirit due to sin (psalms 51:11-12).... ...This was because Jews were under the law and Jesus did not die on the cross at this time.... Otherwise, what is the whole point of Jesus dying and resurrecting on the cross...??? When we don't divide we get all sorts of heresy....

[@SpotterVideo]

What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@PD-iu9bn]

⁠​⁠@@fireee5488the Holy Spirit was not indwelling David for sealing and salvation the way He does for the church. Paul very clearly teaches that no one could be saved by the law. That the law was not for salvation but was a schoolmaster pointing to the One who would save. The law was given long after the Abrahamic covenant. All the promises of the Abrahamic covenant were based on God’s faithfulness, not Israel’s (or Abraham’s seed). The law was given to increase Israel’s sin and drive them to God. God said so Himself. It is not correct to say that the Jews were under the law, and that’s why Jesus died; to release them from the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets. And He did so by coming as a spotless Lamb (according to the law) offering the kingdom (as was prophesied), then being rejected by Israel (as the prophets said) because they would not appoint Him as their King, and dying to offer atonement for anyone who would trust in Him by faith.

[@user-or4ut2qi3q]

The first three minutes of this video sum up theology to me lol I love God, I read my Bible, simple as

[@leefury7]

"There Really IS A Difference" by Renald Showers. EXCELLENT exposé of each school and their history. Also, "kai" is not between two verbs therefore is not a conjunction but rather a distinguishing. "Them" being the Gentile believers and "Israel of God" being the believing Jewish remnant.

[@olegig5166]

At 18:09 the speaker misrepresents many dispensationalist views. They don't believe everyone was saved by Eph 2:8, they believe everyone in the Bible finds their path to salvation by doing what God told them to do. One must consider if Abraham was saved by Eph 2:8, then why did he not go to the Throne upon his physical death? (Luke 16) No one goes to the Throne without first being covered by the blood of Christ and the blood could not be spread before it was physically shed.

[@chaddonal4331]

You are stuck by notions of time. God is unrestrained by time. OT saints were saved in anticipation of Christ’s work, and NT saints following that same work.

[@olegig5166]

@@chaddonal4331 would you kindly supply scriptural support for your statement above?

[@lufknuht5960]

Dispensationalists do NOT teach that one finds a path to salvation by doing what God told them to do, if you mean salvation by works. God has told us to trust the Lord Jesus as our SAvior. & the OT tells men to trust YHWH for salvation -- it is not by works. Eph 2:8ff specifically teaches by grace through faith, NOT OF WORKS.

[@olegig5166]

@@lufknuht5960 I understand your thoughts for they are the teachings of most fundamentalist. Fundamentalism is when one takes a given passage which is indeed a fundamental passage for us today; but the passage is falsely doctrinally applied to everyone in scripture. I agree Eph 2:8 is a fundamental passage doctrinally teaching salvation for us today; however to prove your point you need show with scripture that Eph 2:8 does indeed apply doctrinally to everyone in the Bible. Ephesians 2:8 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: In the above when Paul says "ye" to whom is he speaking? Is it his audience or is it everyone in the Bible? The passage above also says we today are "saved through faith". Rom 3:30 says God will justify the circumcision by faith and the uncircumcision through faith. To make this passage doctrinally apply to the OT Saints one must disregard what God said of the matter. Also note in the above passage this Faith is gifted to us. But what faith is it? It is the Faith of Christ (Gal 2:16). It is the Faith that came after the Law (Gal 3:23). You must also Biblically answer the following: God, through the Law, gave the works of Temple worship. In your opinion did they have to do those things? Why did not even father Abraham go directly to the Throne of God upon his physical death? In truth the Bible teaches that the OT Saint who had continually shown his personal faith by doing what God told him to do went to the bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:22....). Then during the 3 days and 3 night while in the grave Christ preached to them, covered them with His shed blood, and carried them to Heaven.

[@olegig5166]

@@lufknuht5960 I'm still waiting for and very much interested in your replies to the issues I posed.

[@patriciastotler8911]

Two hermeneutics - Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism ...there is another hermeneutic ...Law and Gospel used by Lutherans which is not covenantal or dispensationalism.

[@lukewarmnomore7523]

You have john reisinger's view also

[@josiahpianoman]

The Law/Gospel hermeneutic is a very reformed (Covenantal) hermeneutic.

[@KevinandAstra]

I found this to be very interesting and good and well thought through. I am not a dispensationalist. Rarely do I fully subscribe all the way to any theological concept outside of Jesus’s death and resurrection, and what that means for me and the world. Some people call themselves Calvin as some people call themselves are mini and some people call themselves dispensational list some people believe in replacement theology. Which I do generally believe that the church is Israel’s continuing story. The church hasn’t replaced Israel It’s become a part of Israel. Since Jesus himself is Israel, he sums up the whole nation of Israel within himself. He represents them before the world as the gospel goes out into the ends of the earth living up to God‘s promises that the Jewish people will be alight to all the nations. I genuinely believe there is one covered between GOD and man. Since all these ideas that we even get from the New Testament, come directly from Jews, preaching to us. This isn’t to say that God doesn’t have a role for natural Israel today and in the future. At least for me dispensationalism leaves a lot of holes that I think are unnecessary and create problems with apologetics. Which is why I would say that I believe some things about dispensationalism, but would put context with covenant theology. In all honesty, though man, I don’t own the corner on theology. I could be wrong, and I think Christian’s today would do themselves a great service today by holding on very lightly with their conceived theological convictions. The Pharisees and the Saggese knew the Bible more than any of us ever will understood the Old Testament more than any of us ever will and they still missed Jesus. Which indicates so could we. Let’s not miss Jesus covenant theology and dispensationalism are great things to know, and understand, and have importance in many ways, but it is not as important as becoming more Christlike, and living a life of service to God and to people.

[@1satisfiedmind]

This is close to my view, after 45 years of studying scripture, and deep diving different theological perspectives, I've concluded that "Theology" is mans attempt to understand God, His ways, His workings, and His Word-primarily from creation to the Fall to ultimate redemption. To me, just as science, in all its disciplines, fall short of understanding the natural world/universe in all its complexity,theology also equally falls short. We see through a glass dimly, but then we shall see face to face. Then, all our errors and excellence in theology will be grasped and understood...and will not matter. They are merely the graspings of children, who thought they knew something about God and his mysteries, not experts...just like Job's friends, and Job himself....where God has the final word. Maybe meditating on the statement, "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the Earth, tell me if you know and have understanding..." Knowledge puffeth up , and I'm sick of it. When Jesus returns none of this will matter, and all theories will be shown to have lacked SOMEWHERE, but none of us will be arguing about what we got wrong. Just give me Jesus, just let me walk with, and in Him, let me love my brothers with love and not contemp, and I will let him sort it all out.

[@HytonZulu]

​@@1satisfiedmindThat's true my brother.Shalom.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

You wrote, "Knowledge puffeth up , and I'm sick of it." As I wrote in another comment, should we ignore where (in time) we are and where we're headed and thus not know when we've reached our destination? For the real bible scholar, there are multiple apparent conflicts between what Jesus acted out (no Sabbath) and taught ("go thou and do likewise" to the rich ruler for EARNING of eternal life) vs. Paul's revelation from heaven, from Christ (see acts) of salvation without cost to me paid for by "the lamb of God", Jesus Christ. Getting this wrong will send many to the lake of fire.@@1satisfiedmind

[@brucefrancis2301]

We go through so much pain creating God in our image!!! Sad, sad, sad!!!

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Explain, please.

[@allenbrininstool7558]

Except I believe all Israel is saved at the second coming, they look upon Him whom they pierced

[@yogustavof]

The church does not take the place of Israel, but it is clear that the church is the people of God because of Christ. And it receives titles, promises and commands that Israel received in the O.T.

[@ByGraceThruFaith8453]

Replacement theology is a myth. Dispensationalists use it to disparage those who don't hold their beliefs. As a covenantalist I would call what we believe fulfillment theology or expansion theology, in other words, Biblical doctrine.

[@jean-claudemorin7377]

What a beautiful approach to Galatians culminating to 6:16. Very well-defined. Thank you for that clarification.

[@daleadkins2736]

Glad I discovered this channel. So helpful.

[@reynoldhayes517]

I’m a dispy and have been a Presbyterian, pca that is and have never heard this from the pulpit. However I do believe there is a difference Isreal and the church and eschatology.

[@SpotterVideo]

Why is the term "New Covenant" not found in the man-made confessions of those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology, even though the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled word-for-word in Hebrews 8:6-13? Why do many Dispensationalists often claim the New Covenant is not in effect yet because it applies only to "Israel", and they do this by ignoring the word "now" in Hebrews 8:6, and they also ignore the word "church" in Hebrews 12:18-24? They also ignore Paul saying we are ministers of the New Covenant in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. === New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) Watch the KZbin video “The New Covenant” by Bob George.

[@gerard4870]

He also would not call himself king yet. Matthew 25: 31-32.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@gerard4870 Peter said He was both "Lord" (Ruler) and "Christ" (Messiah) on the Day of Pentecost in the verse below. Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

[@josht1901]

Good point about questioning baptism as a replacement of old covenant circumcision. I'm not a dispensationalist or covenentalist, but have been wondering about that covenant theology belief. By the end of the day, we use theology frameworks, but have to realize they are foreign to the text. They can help, but can hurt if we lean on them too heavily.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

No need to wonder about what marks the distinctiveness of Believers in Christ's blood vs. circumcision. Search in your concordance for "this is the New Testament in my blood" and you will discover the answer there.

[@bigtobacco1098]

OIKOS covenant

[@bop-ya-good]

Paul states we are in the dispensation of grace, Fact. The bible states who has the old and new covenant and its not us today. Fact

[@jasonbourne5142]

There was grace in the old testament genius

[@bop-ya-good]

@@jasonbourne5142 who said there wasn't mate. You need to realise what dispensation you are in. Your apostle to the gentiles demands this.

[@Revup1]

I was brought up in a reformed church, but was periodically fed dispensationalism, specifically in regard to the second coming. I'm probably a confused heretic. However I do have a few theological degrees to my name, including a Masters, which I state here, simply to show that my theological enquiry hasn't ever stopped. I have been involved in Christian ministry for 37 years. As Jesse argues for dispensationalism in the later half of this lecture, what I am hearing is a defence of coventantalism.....the argument from Galatians 6, is not an argument that trumps covenantalism at all, in fact the same statements made by Jesse in support of dispensationalism could equally be used to argue for covenantalism......unless there is something I'm not understanding about dispensationalism. In my Biblical understanding I can't see a conflict in maintaining the covenant as being continued through the church, not Israel, and Israel continuing to exist as an entity in history and prophecy, some of which is still to be fulfilled. Maybe that's due to my mixed up theological heritage, but I simply don't see the need to hold a dispensational position, with all its inherent baggage, merely to explain the difference between Israel and the Church. I know Jesse didn't mention this here, but nor can I hold a convuluted dispensationalist view of the end times, despite being drip fed this in my younger days, again I don't see the Biblical necessity to create such a speculative structure, when, to my mind, an amillennial view accounts for the breadth of the Biblical account without the need for hermenutical gynastics.

[@kickpublishing]

Technically nobody should be calling themselves reformed if they teach dispensationalism. Which is why it’s ironic that John MacArthur has become the face of Reformed Theology in the USA.

[@chapmaned24]

How about Galatians 3:18? 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. The promise was never dependent on the behavior of the children of Israel. Not only that, the promise is twofold, not just one fold. 1. CARNAL a. Promised Land = Small Piece of Real Estate in the Middle East. b. Promised Singular Seed = Isaac c. The plural Seed of Isaac, thru Jacob (Israel), gets the land, as opposed to Ishmael, and Esau. 2. SPIRITUAL a. Promised Land = Heaven b. Promised SINGULAR Seed = Jesus (Galatians 3:16) c. The Plual Seed of Jesus gets Heaven Both are true, and neither is dependent on behavior, all because the promise was long before...THE COVENANT, aka The Law of Moses. The only covenant condition was to be circumcised, based on the promise that Isaac's Seed would inherit the land. So I'm perplexed as to why it is called, "Covenant" Theology at all. There is no such thing as Old Covenant Israel, let alone New Covenant Spiritual Israel, if the promise was never conditioned on the old covenant to begin with. So the Jews rejected Jesus. Ya, ok, so? They were supposed to kill Jesus and reject him. Father, forgive them, for they know not... what? Know not? Why? Deu 29:4. Contrast that with Gentiles in Romans 15:21. But look at what Jesus has to do for them to understand... John 9:39-41. Keep in mind the story of Joseph and his brothers. That's prophetic. So, they killed the prophets. According to the law, false prophets are supposed to be killed. But...Deu 29:4. God is not a respect of persons. But, SAUL, who became apostle Paul, who murdered Christians...ya!! Bottom line, Jews get land, Christians, whether Jew, Gentile get heaven. And it's by grace in both, lest any man should boast. Ezekiel 36 explains that very well, when God said, paraphrasing, "I'm bringing you all back, not for your sake, but for my holy name." He said that twice.

[@chaddonal4331]

@@kickpublishingTerminology is throwing you off! “Reformed” technically means to be in the stream of the Protestant Reformation. It took largely 4 paths: 1. Lutheran 2. Calvinist-Presbyterian (with a Baptist variant) 3. Arminian (a variant of Calvinism), with its own later Wesleyan variant 4. Anabaptist, from which most of today’s Baptist and non-denominational groups have come. All of these groups had adherents who preceded the Reformation but who gained traction in Europe after Luther’s 1517 thesis (the watershed moment). Dispensationalism was a reaction to artificial labels within CT and to increased research on better understanding the Hebrew Scriptures and God’s promises to the nation of Israel in the OT, deemed as yet unfulfilled. Followers in Group 2 above have tried to hoard the “Reformed” label and diminish or even disdain all other viewpoints. But it is both bad form and bad history. Not all of these perspectives can be most true, but all are reformed. None are RCC or EO, but rather embrace the 5 Solas and the reclamation of the gospel by grace through faith in Christ and His work for us.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

The "hermenutical gynastics" belong entirely to the covenantalists. When history and theology don't coincide your history is right and your theology is always wrong. Thus, covenantalists are forced to spiritualize selected history and prophecies in Scripture which don't match. Rather than resort to these special word meanings and spiritualization of texts, dispensationalists are aware that God sometimes changes how he deals with humans: whole world, kill most in water, focus on Jews in earthly and societal isolation (includes focus on Jesus) and now back to whole world with St. Paul. Get it? This gracious low expectation of God for salvation will not go on forever but only God knows when it will end so we need to be telling people to be ready (by believing God's promise of salvation wholly apart from personal virtue) lest they miss this remarkable opportunity to be saved by grace alone thru faith alone.

[@Revup1]

@@edwardwalsh5477 The point is that God doesn't change how he deals with people. The Covenant point of view is that His promises are eternal, not for one people in one period. For example, a promise that may appear fulfilled in Isreal (the modern state?), actually hasn't seen its fulfulment entirely because its ultimate end is with true Israel, the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:16)....which are the heirs of Christ (Gal 3:29). Biblical prophecy is like wheels within wheels, dispensationalism looks at all the little wheels, tries to add them all up, but can't because they appear to paint a picture of a schizophrenic God who is constanlty changing. But when you see how the wheels turn together, how the big picture is moving, the big wheel tunring (the covenant promises), you see a sovereign God who has always acted with Grace, who was always planning for salvation, who was always acting through his son and is continuing to do so now. The covenantal position, which is the theological position throughout the history of the church, paints a picture of a bigger God whose sovereign action is inexorably moving us towards the consumation of all things.

[@lufknuht5960]

Dispensational interpretation is essential to Christianity -- otherwise you should want to do animal sacrifices. Dispensationalism simply is recognizing that different Bible rules are written to different persons & time periods: Noah was told to build an ark; Israel had dietary rules -- to given to the Church. The Church is not Israel. All scripture is FOR the Church & profitable, but not all is TO the Church. Dispensationalism does NOT teach different "ways" to be saved in different dispensations: Justification is alway by grace through faith & apart from works. Don't believe the slander on this. Of course after the Trinity was clearly revealed in the NT, persons have been required to make the Lord Jesus, 2nd person of God, the specific object of faith (none other name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved; but in the OT YHWH is the object of faith without limitation to 2nd person of the Trinity.

[@rustys5111]

Maybe. But I havent yet found one dispensationalist among the reformers or church fathers, or in any of the commentaries published prior to J Darby. Check it out. Writings of almost all the church fathers and prominent christian teachers prior to Darby can be found on line. It certainly appears that the dispensational way of interpreting scripture was introduced by Darby, then spread by Scofield.

[@ThinkingBiblically]

Neither Dispensationalism nor Covenant Theology comes from the Scriptures, but from the minds of men. REJECTED!

[@georgebentonjr3876]

Revelation is punctuated throughout with the imminence of Christs kingdom and coming. Revelation 1:1, 3 Revelation 2:16 Revelation 3:11 Revelation 22:6-7 Revelation 22:10, 12, 20, 22 Hut hut hut HIKE!!!!! - FULFILLED

[@briank1726]

I struggle to understand many scriptural references that seem to suggest that Christ (in a first century context) was coming (literally) soon. John the divine was shown things that must "shortly" take place. Many things happened in circa 70AD that resonate with the apocalyptic language of the book of Revelation (but then we haven't for instance seen the new heavens and earth etc etc). Jesus spoke of some in his audience who "would not see death". Also, people often quote that scripture about looking on Christ whom they have pierced. But Jews/Romans in the 21st century - or later - didn't piece Christ - it was done by Romans/Jews in the first century! (albeit many people both Gentiles and Jews still reject him today). Maybe it hasn't been given me to understand this, but I'm never fully convinced by a lot of literal teaching about eschatology. Full preterism doesn't hold water with me, but I can't get away from the feeling that scripture has several 1st century references to the soonness of Christ's return. Maybe it is the Holy Spirit being poured out (being sent in Christ's name), and the giving of everlasting life to believers once the work on Calvary was finished. Maybe it is, as the scripture says, the Godhead making their dwelling place with those that love and follow the commandments of Jesus. Or maybe the paradox, Jesus telling his disciples that he is going away but also that he would never leave or forsake them and that he would be with them to the end of the age. Maybe the people who "look upon him whom they have pierced" were the audience of who listened to Peter's preaching on the day of pentecost, were cut to the heart, and asked what they needed to be saved. (these people being the "Israel of God", the remnant faithful among all the House of Israel). And then the gospel spread further from Jerusalem, many people converting and being baptised into one body.

[@reformedmomma3644]

You're absolutely right! Much of the apostle's teachings indicated nearness/soon to transpire. Christ said "all these things will come upon THIS generation. And they did!

[@georgebentonjr3876]

Modern day, 1948 Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with Bible prophecy. Jesus adamantly declared that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Jews in A.D. 70. “Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. (Matthew 21:43-45) The nation that the kingdom of God was given to is the church consisting of all believers. Speaking to believers in the first century, Peter said: But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; (1Peter 2:9) There is no longer any distinction between Jews and Gentiles. For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) The true Israel today is the church, not the nation of Israel formed in 1948. Salvation is covenantal/spiritual, not physical/literal.

[@dubyag4124]

Romans 11 "a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved" "All Israel" MUST include the Gentiles. That is what Paul explains about "all Israel". He is not talking out ethnic Israel. Which makes sense because even in the Old covenant, gentiles could become a part of Israel by obeying God and the covenant. So in a real way, "Israel" has NEVER been an ethnic label, ever.

[@georgebentonjr3876]

Weren't the Old Covenant age Jews living in the first century, permanently rejected as God's earthly, covenant nation? (YES) Matthew 8:10-13 10 When Jesus heard it, he marveled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. Matthew 21:38-46 38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, this is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42 Jesus saith unto them, did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. Matthew 23:31-39 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, all these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. John 8:37-47 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, we be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Romans 9:30 - 10:4 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. Romans 11:7 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

[@ranbran2948]

This message is like a gentle gateway to dispensationalism, because it doesn’t unpack what dispensationalism is. The main distinctions in this message being Israel vs the church, and credo vs pedo baptism. Even these positions were not clearly made, let alone defended, from a covenantalist view. Especially when considering Covenantalism is not defined with baptism. There are many confessional reformed believers who are credo Baptist’s. Anyway... a lot could be said. Suffice it to say, nothing was said (and maybe it will be said in his subsequent messages), about the dark foundation of dispensationalism, about the 5 gospels (at least) that dispensationalists believe, about Israel being on earth in eternity and the church in heaven - never to mix, nor about how God cares, protects, and nurtures his people differently in each dispensation. And on and on... how Paul was a apostle to the gentiles not the jews. In fact many dispensationalists who properly adhere to dispensationalism will admit they follow Paul. Rightly dividing the word means there is some scripture to jews, and some to gentile... and it just keeps going. Most people who call themselves dispensationalists, do not understand what dispensationalism is. In fact many have no clue what it is. They will often say ‘the word dispensation is in the bible’. Yes it is, maybe 4 times, and not always used the same. The word covenant is in the bible 250 times. So if that’s your standard... This initial message is a soft entry. It’s dangerous.

[@yvettetrujillo1856]

That dispensation thing is wrong. The speaker mentions that the covenant of God with Jewish people as a Genetically distinct people( like a special covenant) . it sounds off. A Jewish person from Europe is mixed with north European blood, you just have to compare how Ashkenazi Jew look like to Sephardic Jews ( Jews from south Europe ) or Ethiopian Jews ( which are black ) . It is really strange and give us an idea that we can not trust any dispensation ideology , this is Not the Gospel

[@dougbell9543]

Like floodwaters spewed from the Serpent’s mouth, dispensationalism has inundated the Western church. ✔️ (See Revelation 12:15)

[@nathanlogsdon26]

He didn’t mention that dispensational view is very young and only become popular because of Darby. As far as I know no early church father were dispensational.

[@besttunesbyventure3481]

God promises to one party (israel) but grafted in other party (Gentiles) whom He never promised a thing. So Gentiles not grafted in israel but the same sap through which israel will receive the blessings in future. In other words God grafted gentiles in the promises of which he has done to israel. Gentiles received which God never promised to them likewise israel come to know that they aren't the promised children of the true israel. Both of them humbled.

[@pontificusmaximus6716]

My only question: In this discussion, which one is Dumb, and which one is Dumber? Uh-oh, maybe that's two questions, so what does that make me? 😅

[@georgebentonjr3876]

What was the purpose of the Jewish nation in the Old Testament anyway? It was to be the womb through which Messiah would be born in order to bless the nations. A world wide church was always the goal. The Jewish nation was a valuable and necessary instrument in accomplishing that goal. God is not a racist, all nations are now and forever welcomed into His presence, through Jesus Christ

[@mchevalier-seawell4438]

God divided the nations. He took the Jewish nation, Israel, as His, God’s inheritance. They are his special treasure, a pearl of great price. He made an unconditional covenant with Abraham.

[@gerard4870]

Notice how you said " were"?

[@georgebentonjr3876]

@@gerard4870 1948 modern day Israel has nothing whatsoever to do whatsoever with the Bible.

[@MrAndyhdz]

God doesn't work in regular SpaceTime but he's stuck with using time periods for man?

[@larrybedouin2921]

Supersessionism is a word that gets used by people who don't understand the gospel and the covenants accusing those who do understand of heresy.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Thank you! Supersession is what happened when the post passion efforts by Peter, Stephen, and Phillip (and others) were rejected by the Jewish leaders who actually killed Stephen and tried to kill others, that organization failed economically by acts 10 and failed to carry out their great commission by then. Also their 12 Apostolic leaders were replaced with one Apostolic leader, Saul, who was renamed Paul by the Lord, and he began spreading "My gospel" to the entire world. and that continues today at a great pace in tyrannical states that reject Jesus.

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@edwardwalsh5477 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; *even as our beloved brother Paul* also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; *in which are some things hard to be understood* which *they that are unlearned and unstable wrest* as they do *also the other scriptures unto their own destruction* {2 Peter 3:14,16}

[@trevino37]

A great topic for those who like to be “ smoking the weed- academically high”on words and academia… it adds nothing to yours Christian life but sure does a great job at dividing people into denominations.

[@markdiblasi3061]

You don’t put new wine into old wine skins the old is passing away the new covenant has come for all saints

[@solideomusical]

I find the term 'Dispy' to be quite uncharitable

[@kevinward3836]

Well I'm thinking he's a calvinist enough said

[@georgebentonjr3876]

The bible doesn't teach the end of the Christian age. It doesn't teach the end of time, but the time of the end. Big difference. The end of what? The OC age world, where sin and spiritual death reigned. It ended in 70 A.D. Post 70 A.D., we a have been in the NC = The New Heaven and earth where righteousness dwells. (Christ is our righteousness) It has no end. Isaiah 9:6-7, Ephesians 3:20-21. We are living in the days that were to follow the last days or end times. Peace be to you. All that's left for Christians is to serve each other in love, aka faith working through love and truth, and then biological death, which is but a transition to be embraced, no longer to be feared. The heavenly pearly gates are open, even into the holiest of holies and will never shut post 70 A.D. He who joins Himself (Now) to the Lord is one Spirit with Him. There's the continuity.

[@wolfwatchers]

1Corinthians 15: 20-28 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. so this took place already???? the consummation, death and hell are destroyed. I still see people dying isn't that curious!!!

[@georgebentonjr3876]

@@wolfwatchers Have you actually heard the word? It's a soul salvation. John 3:3, 16, 4:21 2 Corinthians 5:16, 1 Peter 1:9. It's not an issue of our human tissue. 1 Corinthians 15:52-53 was realized in the first century, = 1 Corinthians 15:56-57, Romans 7:7, with the Parousia of Christ in connection with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, in 70 A.D., which was the defining end of the age of Moses. 1 Corinthians 15:52-53 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:56-57 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@Particularly_John_Gill]

“All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me."- Matthew 28:18

[@labsquadmedia176]

Appreciated the Irenic tone. It would be helpful to consider pre-Reformation understandings since both "Covenantal" and "Dispensational" are newcomers and are informed by the climate of their times. Any resources that explain those views>

[@bigtobacco1098]

What is the historical view ??

[@ephesians_2_8]

Dispensationalism IS a heresy.

[@richarddayton5890]

Great video! I just don’t understand how they continue to hold to this view. Especially with regards to the Old Testament and prophecies related to the Second Coming and Christ’s Millennial Reign. If you take an allegorical approach, you can make it say anything you want it to! Wish you were in Tampa!

[@johngraham1274]

Darby is a false teacher.

[@BornAgain490]

All that are called out are children of God. Church is a word that is found nowhere in any manuscripts. In fact, the etymology of the word "church" point to it being a relatively new word in both English and Greek. We (Jews and Gentiles in Christ) are called out ones gathered together unto Christ. Period.

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

Ecclesia is CHURCH Therefore it is mentioned

[@alwillett1114]

What do you think ‘ecclesia’ means. Found all through New Testament

[@BornAgain490]

@@alwillett1114 Ekklesia means: called out ones assembled, or congregation of called out ones. The word church comes to us from the Greek kyrios doma, which translated means: Lord's house. The word "church" is the anglicized version of the Germanic word kirck, and the anglo-saxon word circe. As I said, the Greek NT manuscripts do not contain the greek word for church, not a one. One further note: King James gave the Archbishop of Canterbury clear instructions that the KJB translators were not to translate "ekklesia" into "assembly" or "congregation", but to translate it to the word "church" throughout the new KJB. Why? Because he admired the hierarchical structure of Roman catholicism, and he wanted himself distinguished from the people. Ergo: King James became Pope in his own right as Head of the Church of England.

[@chaddonal4331]

You are simply offering the definition for ekklesia. Do you realize this is the Greek word translated into English as “church”?

[@BornAgain490]

@@chaddonal4331 No, it's not. The English word for ekklesia is assembly or congregation. The Greek word for church is found nowhere in the Greek manuscripts.

[@ralphowen3367]

If there is a third temple built during the 70th Week of Daniel, will there also be the 4th temple for Jesus to reign from during the Millennium? Or will that 4th temple be in the eternal kingdom after the 1000 yrs.?

[@jgons]

revelation 20 says he say no temple. the temple destroyed and rebuilt was Jesus sacrifice and resurrection. the tribulation took place under Nero (the beast). study the church's historic positions of amillenialism or postmillenialism for a clearer understanding that doesn't add in heresy of Israel and the Animal Sacrifices reintroduced. Nothing more heretical than reintroducing sacrifices when Christ already paid the price. And scripture is clear the church is Israel. We are "grafted in".

[@neverkneelbeforezod5124]

​@@jgonshow can you be "grafted in" into something that you already are?

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Building a third Temple is an affront to God in that Christ was the last and final sacrifice. Any hint of additional sacrifices is blasphemous…

[@neverkneelbeforezod5124]

@@toolegittoquit_001 Take it up with Ezekiel

[@ralphowen3367]

@@toolegittoquit_001 I understand your sentiments completely. But here is my take on it:. In the Millennium, there is indication of sacrifices still being offered at Jerusalem. While in that Zechariah 14 chapter, there is no mention of a temple, it seems odd that the sacs and offs would be offered up in the open without the shelter of a temple. The Jews presently are zealous in building the 3rd temple, which if built may or may not get destroyed during the 70th week of Daniel. While it will be desecrated, the 2nd temple also was when Antiochus E. abominated it with his sacrifice of a pig, but was not destroyed until 70 A.D.. If there is a Millennial temple, the wise in heart will know that Jesus is the true tabernacle. My understanding is that the non- Jews and apostate Jews who, however make it into the 1000 year reign of peace will have to subject themselves to the Mosaic rites as a lesson, seeing they were so hateful of the Jews in their lifetime (and the apostate Jews so ignorant of them).

[@scythewieldor]

Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets. [Amos 3:7] When did God start doing stuff withOUT revealing His secret counsel to His servants, the prophets? Dispensationalism has no more validity than Islam or Mormanism- neither of which had a second or third witness of the things they claimed. In Christianity, a prophet's words were to be tried and judged by other prophets. The doctrine of dispensationalists has NO support from prophets of any sort. The entire proposition depends upon people being ignorant of the fact that the prophet's of old knew the difference between Israel and Judah.

[@georgebentonjr3876]

Born again, (a spiritual level even touching our human spirit) is to experience the new birth, is a phrase, particularly in evangelicalism, that refers to a "spiritual rebirth", or a regeneration of the human spirit. In contrast to one's physical birth, being "born again" is distinctly and separately caused by the operation of the Holy Spirit. The book of Acts is more than just a chronicle of events, but a documentation of how God was fulfilling his promises to OC Israel. Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: "I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name." Acts- 10:34; 10:43 hut, hut, hike!

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Superb explanation both in content and tone. One error, God actually made 2 different Covenants with Abraham. One conditional, for physical Israel, and one unconditional, for the spiritual "children" of Abraham. You're not going to find this idea in commentaries but notice how the pastor had to hedge on wether the Abraham covenant is conditional. Read your Bible, God even made a 2 separate covenants for Ishmael through Hagar and Abraham. That detail aside, again, excellent presentation.

[@brianschmidt704]

The core problem with covenant theology is that in order to get to that position you are required to spiritualize large sections of the old testament. There are many, many passages talking about the millennium and talking about Israel, living in Jerusalem during that covenant.

[@sqwearl1392]

LMBO at the idea that the church "is not a continuation of Israel, and is a different thing". Except that whole us being a wild olive branch grafted into the tree... that unbelieving Israel gets cut off, but not BELIEVING Israel. Believing Israel is still the people of God. Sorry dispensationalists, there is one vine, one tree, one savior, one plan, one spirit, one baptism, one people of God. You're wrong.

[@nathanlogsdon26]

Amen

[@trevino37]

These topics are great for classes and maybe even Sunday school but a waist of time for a church Sunday service topic… hope this is not a Sunday service because this topic add nothing to our Christian life…

[@michaelcanlon5583]

Thank you soooooo much for this teaching!!! My Pastor and I have disagreements on this topic. His explanation of Covenant Theology is very confusing to me. You make it so clear. Your brief study of Galatians really opened up my understanding with regard to the differences between the two theological approaches. The LORD bless you for this much needed teaching!

[@markdiblasi3061]

We are all one new man in Christ in the new heaven and new earth. We are all in the family of God by faith in Jesus Christ. N

[@truthnottradition7]

I was Church of Christ for 34yrs & all as an adult. When I took an honest and independent look at the Bible (specifically the 7th day Sabbath) I started to see a very different construct than what I had been taught all those yrs. Which made me look into the history of the conservative, autonomous, CoC's. That's when I discovered some very alarming things. I had been taught in no uncertain terms we (CoC) was THE Church that Christ built. The exact same church that's referred to in Rom 16:16 and established Act ch2. Churches of Christ are a NT only church. In Christ alone. Speak where it speaks and silent where its silent. All of which I now understand was just protestant based pretext and unwritten / oral dogma. Alexander Campbell and Barton Stones teachings 95% are what I had experienced. Ug..... but praise be to Yah that I now can see without pretext and presupposition. I now look at the Bible with a very different and I'd say a unfiltered mindset. After a yr of independent study I found a preacher / elder / pastor at a local church who is both a Hebrew and greek expert. He too used to be fundamentalist protestant and has greatly opened my eyes to Halacha, Laws of God, and especially what Paul was trying to speak to. I don't think I'd label myself as a coventalist but I do see that the new cov. is made with Israel and NOT with..... a new testament only, gentile only..... church started in America 200yrs ago. (when stated that way doesn't it sound absurd? I hope it does to everyone, because CoC's are demonstrably just that(and they will deny it started 200yrs ago all day long)) We gentile believers can be grafted into that new covenant and alongside Israel. I DO see laws of God overlaid with covenants and I DON'T see dispensations of God's laws. There were covenant specific laws yes.... My names not Noah and I don't have to build and ark. I AM a believer and the Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) who said He came to fill up the Laws of God (plēroō in the greek). NOT, NOT, NOT, N-O-T to abolish them. Matt 5:17-18 is so simple it repels the dispensationalist mind. Not kidding... when I make people look up the greek for "fulfill" they go into computer lock up mode and can't speak. Then the cognitive dissonance kicks in and the yah-buts start flowing. Ever notice they MUST redefine "fulfill"? As Bill Engval would jokingly say.. there's your sign I now see the notion of protestantism and dispensationalism is simply a man made construct. And a relatively recent construct at that. Deuteronomy 4:1-4 read with the presupposition of dispensationalism causes one to immediately dismiss it as being applicable to us "christians" today. Deut 4:14- read without a presupposition... just see it for what it says. Those in covenant and who keep His commandments will be victorious and live. I'll park a verse here and sign off. Anyone who reads this and if you consider yourself a christian... please take notice there are TWO qualifiers for us. Revelation 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who ****keep the commandments of God**** and hold to ****the testimony of Jesus****. Baruch Hashem

[@Over-for-now]

Sounds like you jumped from one false doctrine to a worse one. Very sad 😢

[@truthnottradition7]

@@Over-for-now So tell me, what is false about being on team lamb? Rev 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who....... keep the commandments of God ........and....... hold to the testimony of Jesus.

[@hbrws813]

FAI Studios in Israel (on KZbin) has several excellent teachings on this.

[@notremarchedelafin]

You have verses stating the begining and the end of the 7 dispensations? If you don't have verses for that? What do you have? I will tell you what you have. You have a few inductive reasonings... Do you know what is an inductive reasoning? What is the power of an inductive reasoning against a simple verified fact that goes against it? Which is stronger? The inductive reasoning, or the simple verified fact? You don't know? You studied theology a lot? Well, go study logic, so that your eyes may be opened about dispensationalism.

[@chaddonal4331]

This is so helpful and such a great model of irenic conversation! Regarding the climax of Gal 6 and arriving at an understanding of “The Israel of God” being a subset of the true remnant within Israel (rather than an expansion or replacement to the church of Gentiles) - really well done! This also accords with Paul’s testimonial in Romans 9 where he speaks of himself as being part of the fulfillment of promises to Israel. This interpretation cuts in both ways: The Israel of God who fulfills promises (the faithful remnant in Gal 6 and those like Paul in Rom. 9 who come to Christ) distinguish from both classical Dispensational and Covenant Theologies. The fulfillment is to Jews (not the church), but as individuals of faith, rather than the nation as an entity. It still comes back to those who are in Christ as the True Israelite.

[@georgebentonjr3876]

Entrance into the kingdom for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Worthies would be when they sat at the Messianic Resurrection Banquet - Matthew 8:11 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Worthies would sit at the Messianic Resurrection Banquet when the "sons of the kingdom" i.e. Old Covenant Israel, was cast out - Luke 13:25f Old Covenant Israel (the sons of the kingdom) were cast out in AD 70. Therefore, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Worthies sat down at the Messianic Resurrection Banquet in AD 70. The time when Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Worthies would sit down at the Messianic Resurrection Banquet in the kingdom would be the time of the resurrection of Isaiah 25. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Worthies sat down in the Messianic Banquet in the kingdom, in AD 70 - when the sons of the kingdom were cast out. Luke 13:25f. Therefore, the resurrection of Isaiah 25 - the time of sitting down at the Messianic Banquet - was when the sons of the kingdom were cast out in AD 70. The resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 - the overcoming of the Death of Adam - would be of fulfillment of Isaiah 25. But Isaiah 25 was fulfilled when the sons of the kingdom were cast out in AD 70 (Matthew 8:11, Luke 13:25f). Therefore, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 - the overcoming of the Death of Adam - was fulfilled in AD 70.

[@georgebentonjr3876]

After Pentecost, there is no mention of a future, physical kingdom. After describing the Church as the temple of God, there is no mention of a future, physical temple. After saying that true Israel is made up of spiritual Jews circumcised of the heart, Paul never tells us that being a true Israelite will ever be dependent upon a bloodline and physical circumcision. The New Covenant was the next and final phase in God's progressive plan of redemption. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47 45 “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.… (We need to be transferred from Adam to Christ by God's power, grace and love towards us, working through our faith in Him.)

[@gerard4870]

Before acts, there was no mention of Paul. Your point?

[@georgebentonjr3876]

If the salvation of the Jews is salvation by race instead of salvation by grace, why does John 1:12-13 (written by a Inspired Jew) say that salvation is not by blood? John 1:12-13 12 But as many as received him, to them gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of "blood", nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

[@gerard4870]

How to say "i don't understand dispensational thought" w/o saying...

[@callienn]

Where do Covenantalist see in scripture that the trinity forms a covenant before creation?

[@georgebentonjr3876]

The New Testament was written during the "last days" of the Old Covenant world. Those "last days" were the 40-year transition period; 30-AD to 70 AD. This is why all the eschatological passages in the New Testament were addressed to their first century audience and imminent. - FULFILLED

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Happily you are unlikely to go to hell for believing that.

[@georgebentonjr3876]

@@edwardwalsh5477 We are not living in the last days or end times, post 70 A.D.

[@gerard4870]

It sure will be.

[@gerard4870]

​@@georgebentonjr3876sure we are.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

@@gerard4870 It's complicated. That's why dispensationalism reveals the simplistic system called covenant theology fails. Ant that's why dispensationalism is necessary.

[@PapaJoeK]

I don't know where I fit. I think I fall somewhere in the middle. I believe the mosaic covenant is over because it has been fulfilled in Christ. The new covenant is a continuation of the Abrahamic covenant. We the church are now descendants of Abraham (Gal 3:29). This includes messianic Jews but doesn't include the whole Jewish nation (John 8:39-40). That's the way I understand the scripture. If I am wrong someone please correct me. I am trying to understand theology but it's very complicated.

[@mchevalier-seawell4438]

When you go to the garden shop to buy a long stem yellow rose bush, what you get is a scraggly short stem red rose trunk with long stem Yellow rose branches grafted in. It is apparently cheaper for farms to produce these. The long stem yellow branches never become what the original bush was. They never become scraggly red roses, they remain long stem yellow rose branches but are fed by the old, but now scraggly, trunk. Paul never could have meant that gentiles become Israel when grafted in because horticulture doesn’t work that way. Gentile Christianity depends on the patriarchs, but they must remain what they are. Go to your garden shop and ask the people who know. I personally believe all this stuff is the church’s version of Greek philosophy. It is both vain, useless and hurtful. It divides the body of Christ for no reason. Jesus didn’t teach this. Men have come up with theories and then argue about it, get followers, divide the church. Are they “right”? Jesus said he wanted us to be one. Even if someone is right, they are wrong to divide the church over non core issues. I believe I’ll spend my life trying to love, worship and follow God and leave the philosophy to those who have time to spend on it. If there is something I NEED to know, I have faith in Him that He will tell me.

[@PapaJoeK]

Your right the grafted in branch never replaces the trunk. If I interpret the parable correctly, the trunk is Jesus and the branches which are cut off are the Jewish people who have rejected Jesus and we as gentiles have been grafted in and are now part of the tree along with messianic Jews and both of us draw our nourishment and life from the same source, God Almighty.

[@gerard4870]

Read amos 9, zechariah 14 . These will be literally fulfilled. In the future. See how the sinners of my people are killed? (Amos 9) Ethnic, unsaved jews. See the group of humble afflicted in jerusalem? All israel who are left, see jesus coming back, and believing on him, are saved. You wouldn't want to read yourself into those verses, right? The ones saved are true israel. Gentiles are not israel. Ever.

[@PapaJoeK]

You are right gentiles will never take the place of Jews. We are not required to be circumcised, or follow any food laws or any other aspect of the law of Moses except to abstain from sin. However, Romans 11:17-24 is clear that gentiles will be grafted into the vine along with messianic Jews and our source will be Jesus Christ. Galatians 3 13-14 says that us gentiles will receive the blessings of Abraham, which means we are also his seed along with messianic Jews, or all who believe in Jesus Christ, or Christians. Unbelieving Jews are not the seed of Abraham (John 8:37-46). Even in Amos 9:12 gentiles will possess the remnant of Edom along with messianic Jews. We're all christian and are saved from God's wrath through the blood of Jesus just as the Israelites were during passover.

[@boaz63]

Great job Jesse! I recently finished teaching through Galatians and we spent considerable time on the Biblical Covenants, as well as on 6:16 and the confusion out there about the term “the Israel of God”. Michael Vlach’s material was very helpful, but I wish I had seen this video before! I’ve saved it for later, as this issue is only going to get more attention and need more clarity and explanation in the future. 🙏❤️

[@rustys5111]

You should do a sampling of all the commentaries and teachers and church fathers prior to Darby and Scofield to see if a single one of them doesnt see the "Israel of God" as being all believers of all races. I havent yet found one.

[@lawrence1318]

The "covenant of works" is a misnomer, an incorrect rationale and a contradiction, all in one. It is a misnomer because it is simply an alias for the law. It is an incorrect rationale because it assumes Adam was made righteous, when in fact he was unrighteous right from the beginning. That is, there was no "fall", but rather a coming into the realisation that he was a sinner. In this sense it was an ascendency: an ascendency into a knowledge which revealed to him his inadequacy before God. So Adam didn't become a sinner because he sinned, but rather, he sinned because he was a sinner: he proved he was a sinner by sinning. It is a contradiction because, being an alias for the law, then given that "the law is not made for a righteous man", it assumes Adam was not righteous from the beginning. That is, the basis of the incorrect rationale is that Adam was assumed righteous from the beginning, and the basis for the idea of a covenant of works which is an alias for the law, is that Adam was unrighteous from the beginning. So it's all over the shop.

[@alnorman4802]

You made a good case to show that the Gentiles were the Jews in the time of Jesus in Matthew 10:5,6 Jesus says "Do not go to the Samaritans nor to the Gentiles, but instead go to the Lost Sheep, Jesus defined the Gentiles as Jews

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

In Matt 10, Jesus was training his disciples for ministry, which would turn out to have been sent first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. And we can see the switch during Paul's ministry. Jesus made a few notable exceptions when Gentiles showed great faith, but those were exceptions to his ministry to the JEWS FIRST.

[@BrotherMikeBCSF]

Why not Covenant Theology vs Dispensational Theology ?

[@SK-in2zb]

Church and Kingdom. Gospel of Salvation and the Gospel of the Kingdom.

[@PD-iu9bn]

Two gospels, same destination and only one Way to get there.

[@bigtobacco1098]

One gospel...

[@reylambarte5615]

Why should christians be divided this is evil

[@ConstantCompanion]

Very interesting. Are you saying that preterm is also a Jesuit invention?

[@joelhodge8384]

Evening Message: Covenant Theology vs Dispensationalism; still not clear on isreal haft brother fit into all of this. Never the less, after watching this and a view other video about the same topic, in a way around way of comparing and contrasting notes... it has become apparent to me that i may in fact be a dispensationist; something my mother and father in their ignorance of the faith neglect in sharing with me: for some time i felt semi- seriously struggle with the subconscious believe that i may in fact be agnostic... I now feel the greater weigh of concern dispelled from me, in realizing that as long as i abide in Christ Jesus in according to Galatians ch2-v20...the agnostic thing is a Jewish Problem .... I am truly grateful and did sincerely gotten some clarity on religious dispensation(overly simplified).

[@stevebrandau9300]

Please consider, "neither" as an option.

[@mikefrench4787]

How many dispensations have happened and how many more will happen ?

[@oscarcoronel3021]

How many covenants are there for covenant theology proponents and how many more or less will be added or subtracted ?

[@TitusJudah]

Five dispensations have come to pass. We're in the sixth (Church/Grace) and one more to come (Millennial Reign).

[@askbrotherjohn8297]

1. Adam to Noah Preflood Era. Adam's Law of sacrifice. 2. Noah to Abraham... Noah's Law 3. Abraham to Moses Abrahamic Covenant of circumcision. 4. Moses to Christ The Law 5. Church Law of Grace I see 5 dispensations, and there are 2 more dispensations to come. Bringing the total to 7 as there are seven days. The millennial reign, which is not just 1000 years. There is a 1000 years of peace, but a little season afterwards (Which God calls this whole time of fallen man a little season.), so we have no idea how long that period of time will be. We do know that people will consider a man who dies at 100 years old to have died as a baby. That means a significant amount time will have past, far more than a 1000 years for the 80 year old life span to have been forgotten. The last dispensation happens after the great white throne judgement, and the burning of the whole Earth. It happens after New Jerusalem descends to our atmosphere. It is the new greater rainbow, and God will no more destroy the Earth, and death is destroyed. This is the 7th dispensation and the 7th day of God's eternal rest. (Some place a dispensation in the Adam and Eve era, but I see no true covenant there that marks an age.)

[@gerard4870]

The number of dispensations ( or their agreement to earlier understandings) are a total red herring. Just think of it as promises from ot being literally fulfilled in the way the ot predicted. That is the heart of what is biblical dispensational ism.

[@KernPegues]

The three c’s of Reformed Theology Calvinistic Covenantal; Covenant of redemption, covenant of works, and the covenant of grace. Confessional. Two other things are the ordinary means of Grace. Second is to understand the distinction of law and gospel. Three uses of the law, 1: drive us to Christ, 2: is restrain our corruption 3: is a perfect guide for the Christian life.

[@reborn85pk]

Timelines are linear (greek thinking) while cycles (hebrew thinking)

[@Ephesians-rz7zp]

“The Lord will destroy the earth” 🤔 5 He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. Psalms 104:5 4 A generation goes, and a generation comes, but the earth remains forever. Ecclesiastes 1:4 I view Dispensationalists as brothers but I believe it is an unbiblical understanding and an error.

[@CCiPencil]

Rev 21:1 and 2 pet 3:10; love you my non dispensational brother in Christ. I’m dispensational but aware that my theology is not 100% perfect. Faith in Christ alone by grace alone according to scripture alone and all for the glory of God alone, that’s what I know to be 100%. The rest- eschatology, covenantal vs dispensational, etc. I’m not 100% on, nor do I believe anyone is. God bless

[@Ephesians-rz7zp]

@@CCiPencil Amen. Agree 100%. I’m Reformed in my theology for the most part but some Reformed folks would not consider me a brother in Christ because of some of my theological convictions. It really is all about grace alone and faith alone. God bless.

[@pcjenkin]

"Therefore night will come over you without visions, and darkness without divination. The sun will set on these prophets, and the daylight will turn black over them. Then the seers will be ashamed and the diviners will be disgraced. They will all cover their mouths because there is no answer from God. As for me, however, I am filled with power by the Spirit of the LORD, with justice and courage, to declare to Jacob his transgression and to Israel his sin. Now hear this, O leaders of the house of Jacob and rulers of the house of Israel, who despise justice and pervert all that is right, who build Zion with bloodshed and Jerusalem with iniquity. Her leaders judge for a bribe, her priests teach for a price, and her prophets practice divination for money. Yet they lean upon the LORD, saying, “is not the LORD among us? No disaster can come upon us." Therefore, because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, and the temple mount a wooded ridge." Micah 3:6-12.

[@daywalker3630]

Thank you Lord this teaching is for me, I learned better between the two Christian schools of thoughts. Thank you Mr/pastor, God bless you more 🙏

[@georgebentonjr3876]

Luke 21:22 King James Bible For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. New King James Version For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. New American Standard Bible because these are days of punishment, so that all things which have been written will be fulfilled. Here's the bottom-line folks. Every constituent element of eschatology, the kingdom, the judgment, salvation, coming of the Lord, resurrection, associated with the consummated End of the Age, is inextricably, inseparably linked with the Judgment of Old Covenant Israel in 70 A.D. - Fulfilled 20 centuries ago.

[@chaddonal4331]

Not the glorious appearing/second coming and fullness of righteousness. That remains.

[@georgebentonjr3876]

@@chaddonal4331 ""Not the glorious appearing/second coming and fullness of righteousness. That remains."" end quote. All things means "All" things. Please, get a clue

[@chaddonal4331]

@@georgebentonjr3876 "Get a clue?" Why so rude? To affirm that Christ has already come or there is nothing left to await fulfillment is considered heresy by most. Should I say to you: "Get a clue!"? Is that helpful to you?

[@georgebentonjr3876]

@@chaddonal4331 ""Get a clue?" Why so rude? To affirm that Christ has already come or there is nothing left to await fulfillment is considered heresy by most. Should I say to you: "Get a clue!"? Is that helpful to you?" end quote Obviously, you have been misled and mislead others. You have no clue and are among the clueless. When soon means two thousand years and still pending and all means some., the Jesus you promote, can't be trusted. Either all things written have been fulfilled or you're right. You can't have both ways. Get a clue....... Nothing is eviler than making Jesus and His Apostles out to be liars.

[@yvettetrujillo1856]

🙏 amen

[@dimitrisiliadis4939]

Great job proselytizing for Dispensationalism. You have NOT explained Covenant Theology correctly and adequately. You get an F minus explaining Covenant Theology.

[@kickpublishing]

Disspensationalism IS heresy because it’s another gospel. It reads the Bible as Israel- centered instead of Christ centered- it withholds the gospel from those who claim to be Jews, it teaches salvation by works and law is possible. That’s another gospel.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

That's hyper-dispensationalism.

[@wolfwatchers]

none of that's true in the gospel of the grace of God which is how we get into the body of christ , there's neither jew or gentile both are equal to believe the death burial and resurrection apart from ourselves for salvation , , next issue it teaches salvation by faith , works, obedience, repentance, water baptism and endurance is how Israel was saved before the revelation of the gospel of the grace of God and before the revelation of the body of christ!! Acts 2-9 thats when israel was saved by faith , works, obedience, repentance, water baptism and endurance! there's only one gospel and way we are saved after Paul's conversion and that's the gospel of grace , but there was 2 for a time while the disciples were still alive and they both center around Christ !!!!!! Galatians 1:11-12 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 3:1-6 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, Galatians 2:1-2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, Galatians 2:7-9 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

[@ahammer7000]

Great teaching.. America was founded on dispensationalism when Rhode Island opened their doors to the jews, and became the first action I'm European history to giveth jews full equal..

[@toolegittoquit_001]

This is remarkable view of history 😳

[@ahammer7000]

@@toolegittoquit_001 a suppressed truth

[@ynot5253]

Sir, When the Pilgrams arrived in America they held the Geneva Bible in their hands n hearts. They believed in the Covenants since at that time Dispensational theory was unknown. Research D. history. God Bless in your search.

[@ahammer7000]

@@ynot5253 to say Dispensationalism is ridiculous because history testifies that Rhode island is the first place in European history to give the Jews full citizenship and religious freedom. And they were baptists who were exiled by the pilgrims from Boston to go found those island. That is American here and why we are in God’s blessing so greatly (gen 12:3). but when America was officially founded by George Washington it was the KJV the was used by nearly all English speakers in America and the world

[@jasonbourne5142]

And it ruined many things. Just look at what's going on now.

[@stephenbarningham330]

THEY ARE BOTH WRONG! ONLY COVENANT THEOLOGY MORE SO!

[@ralphowen3367]

They are wrong in certain ways. They both believe in the trinity theory and that a Christian still sins, and that it is ok to baptise infants.

[@stephenbarningham330]

@@ralphowen3367 THE TRIUNE GOD HEAD IS NOT A THEORY! IT IS A SCRIPTURAL TRUTH!

[@ralphowen3367]

@@stephenbarningham330 I have not so learned Christ, but if that is what you believe about the nature of God, bring forth some strong reasons.

[@swenkelly]

John 1:1 is a great place to start - in the BEGINNING - the Word = JESUS = GOD@@ralphowen3367

[@JosefGroup]

What about this element of the New Covenant? "‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:8‬ ‭KJV‬ [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, When I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:"

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Not here yet only after the Body of Christ is spirited away to Jesus in heaven and the Tribulation ends.

[@JosefGroup]

@edwardwalsh5477 read this verse in its context. The covenant has already happened when Jesus blood was shed.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

So much confusion here! "will make" is future tense in English. "already happened" contradicts my Bible. @@JosefGroup

[@JosefGroup]

@edwardwalsh5477 you are correct. That's because it's a quote from Jermiah 31:31. Back then, it was future tense. The author was making that point, that what Jermiah said back then was now true in Chriat blood. That's why Hebrews 8 is about Jesus mediating that covenant. We, then, as gentiles, are also partakers in that covenant. More to this, but I want to be respectful to you.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

I've read different opinions about the applicability of the New Covenant (Jews only, believers only or Jewish + gentile believers) am not clear on that one. Good that you wish to be respectful to me. Thanks. I continue to hold to the system of thought that includes both covenants (mostly with Israel) AND dispensations which explain the changes that result when God changed His administration of the world, e.g. when He introduced the Church, the Body of Christ unknown prior to St. Paul's mid-life conversion and regeneration, unknown in all previous world history. @@JosefGroup

[@plumberphil5321]

It's amazing that dispensationalism has evolved from scofield to this

[@jgons]

it's amazing it's a thing at all given it's so new and heretical.

[@mbfrommb3699]

@@jgons One of the "arguments" I hear often is that "Dispensational Premillennialism" is New only a few hundred years old. I had never heard this until a few years ago on YT. I was deeply troubled at how many Pastors and teachers start off with this statement. The reason I was troubled is because I've known since 1995 that this statement was false. I have books on my shelves that show the writings of the early church fathers that debunk this idea. The first one here is both Dispensational and Premillennial, the next 3 are Premillennial. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Writings on Dispensationalism Irenaeus (about 180 AD) who wrote his 5 volume works called “Against Heresies” who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a direct disciple taught by the Apostle John. “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29 Ephrem 306-373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian. Ephrem also wrote "The End Times" Before the time of abomination (which Irenaeus says is in the middle of the 7 years; after 3 years and 6 months). of his desolation having been made legal, he takes the empire, and, just as it is said in the Psalm: “They have been made for the undertaking for the sons of Lot” Psalm 83:8 The Moabites and the Ammonites shall meet him first as their king. Therefore, when he receives the kingdom, he orders the temple of God to be rebuilt for himself, which is in Jerusalem, who coming into it, he shall sit as God and order that he be adored by all nations, since he is carnal, filthy, and mixed with worthless spirit and flesh…Because the very wicked serpent shall direct every worship to himself. Because he shall put forth an edict so that people may be circumcised according to the rite of the old law. The Jews shall congratulate him, because he gave them again he practice of the first covenant; then all people from everywhere shall flock together to him at the city of Jerusalem and the holy city shall be trampled on by the nations for forty-two months just as the holy apostle says in the Apocalypse, which become three and a half years, 1,260 days. Lactantius in 304AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 is when "the Church shall be taken away” Hippolytus- Treatise on Christ and Antichrist Which is all about the comparisons between Jesus Christ and a coming Antichrist, from what tribe he will be born, things he will do, wars he will win, etc. Just so we now when Hippolytus falls in the timeline. He lived about 170AD -235 AD. the two works authored by Hippolytus dealing specifically with end-time prophecy. The first one is entitled The Antichrist. The second one is entitled The End Times. Now I have books with all these references and others but the book I have found the best at organizing them is Ken Johnson's book "The Endo Times by the Ancient Church Fathers." Some may not agree with some of the commentary but the vast majority of the book is the writings of these early Church fathers with a little commentary. I find it a powerful piece in at least looking at the commentaries of ideas and teachings of the early disciples of the Apostles. Again we have to test them to see if they are biblically accurate however, what I noticed quickly is that these writings are way more controversial and detailed than 99% of the Dispensational preachers out there. Now it doesn't mean any of these things are correct as far as doctrine but it surely debunks the idea of a "new" doctrine that's a few hundred years old. Here's the problem, of course we are all believers in Jesus and so we are saved, however, we have doctrines that are opposed to each other. You are either Premill or Postmill, it has to be one and both cannot be true, one is the truth and the other is a lie. The truth is not subjective based on what we believe, the truth here is objective. The same goes for replacement theology, or Calvinism (pre-destination) vs free will, Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) vs can lose your salvation. Now none of these changes the reality of our salvation but they do affect how we see the LORD, what we believe about Him, and what the image we have of Him looks like. Hopefully, this helps. Take care.

[@edwardwalsh5477]

Why so?

[@jgons]

@@edwardwalsh5477 it’s weak and poor doctrine. It puts a priority on the modern nation-state of Israel and bringing back sacrificial temple which is heresy. The temple was already rebuilt in 3 days. It was Jesus. Israel is the church. We are grafted in. And they ignore the covenants of God. And they focus on crazy new end time theories that aren’t in the Bible and were never historically taught by any church father ever.

[@bigtobacco1098]

So new

[@jean-claudemorin7377]

Truly enjoy. I am a dispensationalist.

[@SpotterVideo]

Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the KZbin video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

[@PD-iu9bn]

@@SpotterVideowith all due respect, this is a straw man.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@PD-iu9bn A straw man can be set on fire and destroyed. You cannot destroy God's Word which reveals the truth in this article. I gave the scriptures, which reveal Jesus is the King of Israel in John 1:49. He is the Head, and we are His Body. The two cannot be separated. Therefore, the Israel of God is now made of those who belong to the King of Israel. You gave your opinion.

[@PD-iu9bn]

@@SpotterVideo Your logic doesn’t even make sense. If we are His body, then He cannot be our King because He is not King of Himself. You must reconcile the fact that the church and Israel are treated as separate entities both in the language and message of the New Testament. No, the church is not “the true Israel of God”. That is your opinion.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@PD-iu9bn What does the verse below say? Do you think Nathanael was wrong? Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. Why did Pater address the crowd on the Day of Pentecost as "men of Judea" and as "men of Israel" and as "all the house of Israel", on the day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary? The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith"? Who was James talking to? What did Paul say about the "remnant" of faithful Israelites during his time in Romans 11:1-5?

[@lawrence1318]

We don't keep the law at all, for we don't keep the Sabbath. The Christian is "dead to the law" (Rom 7:4). The Christian walks by faith and "the law is not of faith" (Gal 3:12).

[@treymorman410]

I can tell you cherry picking verses 😅. Context is everything. This passage was teaching that Torah observances brings forth no salvation. Bc salvation is in messiah alone. If a Goy comes to HaShem without Torah then let him remain a gentile for his faith will cover him.

[@lawrence1318]

@@treymorman410 No. The Christian is "dead to the law". The non-Christian remains under the law and thus condemned.

[@alitheia4946]

Are racists favoring Jews.

[@dotero1817]

Thank you for this very helpful explanation between Covenantalism and Dispensationalism. I know RC Sproul and John MacArthur were great friends despite their differing views on thos topic. Pastor John has described himself as a "leaky Dispensationalist." Can you explain what he means by this?

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

Certainly, only John MacArthur can explain his beliefs. However, I have heard him answer the question "Are you a dispensationalist?" this way: He said he is only a dispensationalist in so far as he believes God still has a plan for ethnic Israel. R.C. Sproul has said the same thing: God still has a plan for ethnic Israel.

[@danieljohnson5742]

Leaky means his view doesn't hold water

[@dotero1817]

@@danieljohnson5742 no view is perfect and without "holes."

[@nathaniellewis5233]

​@Daniel Johnson Leeky I believe is a name of a person.

[@zabaleta66]

I see Dispensationalism as a child's guide to Biblical history, nothing more. Covenant theology is a just so fabrication, the "covenants" of redemption/works/grace at least. Dispensationalism at least doesn't erase national Israel! I would be a dispensationalist in practice but understand that God's workings in history are a whole from the cross, where the past is fulfilled, to the present and on to the future with the returning Christ Jesus!

[@SpotterVideo]

Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism" by Daniel G. Hummel. What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@arseniomarcelino923]

God's purpose to humankind never ever change

[@PD-iu9bn]

But the fullness of it is revealed in a pedagogical fashion. Adam didn’t have a full understanding of the mysteries of God’s plan. Adam only knew, “You shall not eat of the tree in the midst of the garden.” Dispensationalism isn’t a doctrine of a changing God, it’s a doctrine of the pedagogical revelation of God’s plan to redeem mankind through (not in spite of) mankind’s own sinful rebelliousness. It’s an understanding of the beauty of God’s sovereignty and providence as relates to both His holy (set-apart) nation of Israel, and the gentile world. It’s an understanding of how the Master Author has crafted His plot-line from two seemingly incongruous drama’s as only the Master Author can do. It’s the story of God saving the gentiles through the rejection of His Son by Israel, and subsequently the salvation of Israel through the witness of church and ultimately by way of God’s judgment on the unbelieving world.