Event Horizon - re:View

[@Bricky]

Ah yes, my favorite Warhammer 40k movie

[@Captroop]

Bricky! Man, this one is already bring the 40k fans out in force. Big thanks to you, Brother! I picked up 40k again in quarantine, and your Every 40k Faction video was my starting point. Great work. Great storytelling. You really helped me get caught up and back into the hobby.

[@waywardhero1177]

It’s weird how much more the movie makes sense in the 40k universe

[@nasir6r996]

Terminally Underrated Post

[@hotwheelsdeepstate]

Ah yes the only reason talk about this movie anymore

[@Y2Kr4SHM4N]

I wanna see Star Trek and Godzilla in the warp too. They are part of the canon!

[@quinn7876]

Finally, Jay is talking to Mike about a space movie, and it’s as far from Star Trek as it is possible to be.

[@matthewjensen8681]

And in usual Mike fashion, he hates it.

[@jtbfii]

ST: Nemesis is as dark and miserable.

[@tomorrowsclassic505]

I'd love to see them talk about the film 'Contact'

[@dungeon-wn4gw]

When mike mentioned Star Trek in 8:00 I DIED

[@NefariousKoel]

Let me guess... it's sci-fi but not Star Trek. So Mike hates it?

[@mikebliss3153]

This video really is just 40 minutes of Jay going "I like x about this film" and Mike going "no".

[@Yusuke_Denton]

This is the first time I've ever agreed with Jay and disagreed with Mike. I'm not even a horror movie fan - but I can recognize and appreciate an awesome Space Hell movie for what it is.

[@cormano64]

@@Yusuke_Denton "for what it is" is always used in caveats, never glowing praises of anything.

[@RoachOverlord]

Interestingly enough, Jay seemed kind of dismissive of the film back when Mike brought it up during the Interstellar HITB.

[@londonsdeady]

So the opposite of the Joker review where Jay said "I disliked x about this film" and Mike going 'no."

[@bluegum6438]

@@RoachOverlord Jay didn't like the film, he just thought it had some cool ideas that should be explored more.

[@HyenaDandy]

Now let's be fair, there's a great character arc. See at the beginning, Sam Neill likes having eyes, but by the end, he thinks eyes are for losers.

[@hankheavy]

And then he has eyes again lol

[@HyenaDandy]

@@hankheavy it's a story full of complexity and deep, meaningful character moments

[@SpiderManTattoo]

Damn never thought of it like that.

[@johnnordqvist6081]

dont you seeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it´s genius see as in eyes see ...

[@HyenaDandy]

@@johnnordqvist6081 I never even realized that! So brilliant and multi-layered!

[@RaidoTeagan]

I've never seen a more realistic horror movie reaction than the "We're leaving" line

[@williamskay109]

It’s the best part of the movie

[@c-puff]

The entire movie's existence is justified by that line alone.

[@tardwrangler]

Gold

[@AntLeonardi01]

No matter how many times i watch it, that line doesn't come off as funny to me. It's a very rational response.

[@RaidoTeagan]

@@AntLeonardi01 I thinks it's funny just because of how jarringly realistic it is. There's no "hey gang let's split up or investigate" it's just like "well what's say we skedaddle the fuck outta here and never look back"

[@trtx84]

Everytime Anderson asked if he could make his director's cut of Event Horizon they let him do another Resident Evil movie as a distraction.

[@drxym]

Anderson's illustrious career of terrible movies implies the directors cut would have been the same badly edited, scripted, paced, scored, lit, nonsensical garbage but with a longer running time. He's one of those incorrigible directors who somehow keeps getting work because some of his trash actually turned a profit.

[@HughMansonMD]

I mean, come on, Event Horizon is much better than any of those RE movies...

[@toidIllorTAmI]

@@mellowyello1478 I remember watching those movies as trash movies so I was actually hype for the last one I think. (The one where they are stuck on the roof of a prison or something?) But they somehow took it extremely seriously and that's where I lost my "cheesy boner" for the series

[@HughMansonMD]

@@mellowyello1478 honestly, it's RE2 that I like as a "so bad it's actually good" movie. The first one was just kind of boring, but I definitely remember it well because it was my first "up past midnight watching an R rated movie without your parents knowing" movie.

[@johnwakefield4473]

Most of the deleted/lost footage is more back story to the characters which would have made the audience care a bit more when they get devoured by the ship.

[@Ryan-0413]

Love how they see the video of the Event Horizon crew losing their minds and immediately Fishburne’s character goes “we’re leaving”. Refreshing to see a horror movie where they make a realistic decision, like, fuck that we’re not staying in this hellhole any longer than we have to

[@VerbotenGeist]

comedic and realistic, good scene

[@dyveira]

I also love that the one guy who understands Latin is a doctor, which actually makes perfect sense.

[@dirus3142]

That was his Ripley moment. No you are not bringing him onto the ship.

[@Kidd724]

The fact that it succeeds as a comedic line means it unfortunately fails in this movie in the way the movie is constructed. As Mike and Jay point out every moment of comedy undercuts the premise.

[@user-ow1bc4sx2r]

Definitely intentional

[@ClosetoHumanMusic]

11:57 - Weir wasn't on the maiden voyage of the Event Horizon. The reason he's crazy is because he's based his entire existence around this ship and got absolutely nothing in return for it. The world thinks it blew up on its maiden voyage, making it "one of the worst disasters in space history" which ruined his career. And his obsession over his work directly led to his wife's suicide, which he blames himself for. He has nothing left... until the ship returns and hints that he can be with Claire again "forever". That's why he's home!

[@ClosetoHumanMusic]

In case it wasn't blatantly obvious, I love Event Horizon and have seen it, not even joking, at least 100 times.

[@irineumaiden]

I was scrolling down to see if anyone would argue against the absurd assumption that Weir was in the disastrous maiden voyage, and was like, "heyyy I recognize this name"! From Aesthetic Perfection. Nice. As for Weir, while I agree with you, I wonder if there was supposed to be some connection between the fact Claire committed suicide (considered an unforgivable sin) and Weir's possible hidden motives - maybe believing his wife was in Hell he designed the ship to try and reach her there? Maybe the maiden voyage was actually - unbeknownst to the crew - a test, and that's why he wasn't there? Perhaps also a reason for the ship design itself, as a place where a religious ritual should happen or something. I'm sorry if I'm saying something dumb -I watched the movie for the very first time just a few days ago and I'm still digesting it, so to speak!

[@Bloodyshinta1]

@@irineumaiden From what i've read in interviews they made the ship that way to be spooky, no deeper context lmfao.

[@irineumaiden]

@@Bloodyshinta1 well, that's disappointing. They did achieve an interesting aesthetic, however, it's a shame it doesn't have any deeper meaning. But thanks for the info anyway!

[@sada0101]

@@irineumaiden Canon is whatever the audience wants anyway. Traveling to hell to re-unite with your partner sounds like a good horror plot.

[@GhaleonStrife]

The "I am home" comment doesn't imply Weir (Sam Neill) was on the maiden voyage. He was deeply involved in the ship's construction, which is why they brought him in the first place.

[@caesarsalad77]

Yes, exactly. He was definitely corrupted by the ship when he got on it, because the entity or whatever you'd like to call it finds a weak point, a vulnerability in your psyche, and preys on it.

[@hey_its_travis]

Thought he even talked about being on it in earth's orbit while being built, he designed the entire thing so he feels at home.

[@pablom-f8762]

Always saw it as in he can be with his wife again, and there are other plausible explanations: never crossed my mind he already gone through the black hole. Too convoluted.

[@Paul-qe1jn]

I mean, designs of some factories, spaceship, reactor, dams and the atmosphere they give off are simply creepy. Especially when turned off or when not in motion. I'm not trying to give a definite answer. But creepy spaceship, Sam Neil dialogs can be looked at as coincidental. Except for the latin inscriptions in the spaceship part though.

[@FredCDobbs-rd5wi]

Right. This is one of those movies that more literal-minded people just don't get. I.e., "I don't understand. Why they did design the ship to look like a medieval torture device?"

[@willhull7713]

My understanding is that the creators of Event Horizon were huge 40K fans; the script was intended as a part of the WH40K timeline but they failed to secure the rights from Games Workshop. The ship looks like a cathedral because that's how Imperial ships look, lots of religious imagery in 40k. Also in 40k FTL travel requires a ship passing through the "Warp" aka "realm of Chaos" which is basically Hell. If the shields fail, the ship could be attacked by demons, who live in the warp. The Latin, The roman numerals, the Gothic architecture, all of it because 40k.

[@昭夫-o6y]

It’s almost like they got lost in the warp

[@davidokinsky114]

I always wondered if it was intentionally designed based on 40k or it was just a coincidence in attempts to make it creepy.

[@Lizergus]

@@davidokinsky114 From wiki: "Screenwriter Philip Eisner acknowledged that Warhammer 40,000 influenced the story."

[@Diegox223]

This actually makes a lot of sense

[@mightymediocre3352]

I was just about to say they should remake it as a 40K movie. Seems like that was the attempt all along

[@insertcity2508]

You guys were way off with Sam's character. He built the ship, it's his baby, which is why he calls it home. Wife killed herself because he spent to much time working on the ship, he never even hinted towards rezzing her. He just felt massive guilt. Ship plays on your worst fears, that's all.

[@hansgruber3064]

I thought that was obvious but some how Jay and Mike missed that?

[@baneh1329]

Never heard their theory from literally anyone before

[@kaojinn]

This is basically the same thing I was going to say. The ship picked up some kind of malevolent force when it went to (for all intents and purposes) hell, and brought it back with it when it returned. That force seems to kind of lurch around the ship looking for a host, exposing people to their worst fears, and finding its designer to be the most suitable host.

[@baneh1329]

I'm usually cool with people not liking a movie i do, but since they clearly didn't understand massive parts of it, they should at least rewatch it

[@insertcity2508]

@@baneh1329 I thought the same lol

[@daemonthorn5888]

Mike, actually lightning CAN occur in space. Nebula are large clouds of dust and other particulates. The particles can become charged and large electrical discharges can occur within huge nebulae out in the vastness of space. There is no requirement for an atmosphere in order for lightning to be formed.

[@shugaroony]

Was just thinking that as he said it. Oh well, we don't come here for physics explanations so we'll let them off with that one.

[@truthache8560]

Dude thank you for the information! That shits legit! Lol DAM SPACE YOU SCARY!

[@Zmanwarrior]

Huh, that's neat. Does it look like it does in the atmosphere?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Also they are partly in Neptune's atmosphere.

[@EvilMAiq]

"Literally everything is in space." - Rick Sanchez

[@toxicninja3247]

You could really see the regret in jay's eyes, dragging mike out to talk about a space movie only to hear about warp travel and star trek.

[@stalematesteven7251]

😐I'd be ok with watching mike ramble about space-time and singularities for about an hour.

[@jaredhumpherys8335]

Nothing demonstrates Mike's about something disinterest more than changing the subject to Star Trek

[@tumbles8350]

We need Mike doing star trek asmr, whisper about warp nacelles and make me feel naughty

[@RoballTV]

Sam made the ship. Sam neglected his wife while obsessing about the ship. She killed herself, the ship preys on his guilt and his need for the ship to have been 'worth it'.

[@alanpennie8013]

It's a Solaris rip off too.

[@Strawberry92fs]

also the demons don't speak latin, the Captain of the Event Horizon speaks Latin. he does it in all the logs, cos he's a nerd.

[@DERDOHR]

The movie makes that pretty obvious. Don't get how Jay missed that, but I totally get how old man Mike missed it

[@WllKiedSnake]

@@Strawberry92fs This movie is pretty deep. With some hidden stuff to come back to. That's why I like it.

[@joshhall5172]

@@DERDOHR Just at the part of jay trying to explain how he interpreted it and I'm like "....what?". Its a haunted house in space.

[@miraprime474]

My read on Sam Neil's character is that he was never able to get past his wife's suicide, and, just like everyone else, the ship preyed on his trauma. The difference though is that he embraced it and let it twist him into a monster. I don't think the implication was that he was originally on the ship. "I am home" is not literal.

[@Byrvurra]

Yeah he designed the ship I believe. They must have both gotten up to get a beer at that point.

[@butchjohnson9736]

@@Byrvurra I agree, I think he did design it, and I read "I am home" as I've found my peace in insanity or something along those lines.

[@IamQuh]

Yeah I figured the ship was already calling to him with space magic from the get go. He had those visions of his wife. It used him to lay a trap to everyone.

[@iain2080]

@@Byrvurra 11:52 "He was the designer of the ship" -Mike They didn't miss it they were just spitballing

[@MichaelAllred]

Yeah Jay was wayyyy off on that one. I dunno how he even came to that conclusion

[@hildormuthafo]

Jay is right on this one. The atmosphere and set design is awesome, also I love the concepts in the movie. I agree it deserves a QUALITY remake.

[@francisdoherty4066]

A sequel where they find fishburnes ship an the entity managed to get there, evil ensues

[@owsie1800]

Don't

[@travismcnasty51]

It's called Dead Space, and it's a video game.

[@DarkHelm78]

It would be nice to see a good, full length W40K movie...

[@KoxenBols]

@@DarkHelm78 It would preferably have to be CGI, or at least mostly. That or someone competent like Peter Jackson would have to fiddle around with forced perspective to do justice to space marines etc, and someone like Guillermo del Toro to design practical effects and monster stuff. It would also have to be R rated, so yeah, it most likely won't happen unless someone picks it up as a passion project. It would be really expensive to make, with a very limited target audience which is further limited by the R rating. Basically, it's almost guaranteed to lose money which means it won't happen. And that's the scenario where the movie turns out good. But who knows, maybe Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos likes WH40K...

[@benabramowitz18]

You know, Sam Neill has so many dreams in this movie, I kept expecting a talking raptor to show up.

[@pastichiorocker]

Alan!

[@buda3d2007]

This a nod to Jurassic park 3 when this actually happened?

[@furious5009]

Clever girl

[@anubusx]

Alan!!!!

[@jmaster2855]

A nod to that scene in JP3 would've been the scariest scene of all

[@billbillson3129]

"It's not that it's gross, it's a striking visual." -The most Jay quote ever. Thanks for sharing gentlemen!

[@Aquaspleen]

Jay mutters this to himself while watching porn

[@spooplegeist5260]

Me, trying to convince my friends to watch Society by showing them the Butt Head.

[@rbmk__1000]

It's stylistically designed to be that way

[@alexsilva28]

Add this to the ever growing list of timeless Jay quotes next to "It's borderline experimental"

[@MilanousMedia]

Funfact: The soundmixing is so horrible because the editor and soundmixer were given an absurdly short amount of time before release

[@alwaysnauseous]

it was like 2 weeks or something for the final cut i think?

[@01What10]

Yeah, I remember seeing an interview with producer Jeremy Bolt years ago where he said the studio was pretty much fighting with them the whole production. Making things really difficult for them to do their jobs the way they needed to.

[@aBoogivogi]

A thing you would think they could fix with a brand new transfer of the film :p

[@We_Are_Borg_478]

@@aBoogivogi I bet when the estimated price was presented, everybody in the conference room looked at that bill like it was a piece of poop on the table.

[@MilanousMedia]

@@aBoogivogi not really cause they would the original soundtrack, original foley voice screams from the actors, either liscence new sound effects or hire a foley guy to make new sound effects, then a new sound mixer

[@colderplasma]

"Hell and spaceships don't work" Lets not tell mike about one of the most successful video game franchises in history

[@qiff6667]

Grand theft auto?

[@DarkestKNIGHTCJH]

@@qiff6667 Doom seems more likely in this context.

[@antipsychotic451]

@@DarkestKNIGHTCJH the joke is that he said the wrong game

[@frenchinjap]

Dead Space ?

[@mrwhippy101]

Hell and spaceships sounds like some kind of old novel that would have inspired doom

[@natewilson111]

"The movie would've been great, if it wasn't for the movie." -Jay Bauman

[@TheIndulged1]

Still the best Doom movie

[@AxxLAfriku]

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HOT girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest KZbinr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear nate

[@KyoPewz]

As someone who loves sci-fi and cosmic horror, I think he's right. The concept is really cool but it's just executed terribly with regards to direction and story, it all just devolves into actors punching each other and other dumb action schlocky things like explosions instead of delving into the true horror of if a portal to a hell dimension was opened and what that would do to the mind.

[@ArkhanNightman]

It's not very good, but it holds up as an entertaining watch with memorable visuals.

[@StaticSilence1]

Sam Neill's character was the creator of the ship. The lead designer. That's why he felt at home on the ship.

[@Snipurss]

Yeah, not sure why Jay felt he had travelled aboard it

[@BobExcalibur]

@@Snipurss Imagine if the scientists who first pioneered nuclear submarine technology went on the maiden voyage of the first prototype.

[@billbadson7598]

Yeah, this exactly. He may have been on the ship, but only prior to its voyage. Although I don’t remember if they mention whether he intentionally designed it to “fail” or not.

[@BobExcalibur]

@@billbadson7598 Weir absolutely did not design the drive to fail, he was a true believer. His wife's recent suicide was exploited by the corrupted ship to make him sabotage the Lewis And Clarke crew.

[@BananaMana69]

How did they even miss this? Sometimes i wonder about these two...

[@Lextorias]

Jay: "I liked this movie as a kid." *cut to silly footage from the movie* Me: "Oh... Mike's editing this one."

[@natty1115]

Same thought.

[@makasete30]

Yep

[@vivianamuntean146]

:) Heehee, yup.

[@jeremypayne5078]

I can't believe they didn't once mention Lawrence Fishburne's adorably hilarious swivel chair that just dangles from the ceiling.

[@dixonhill1108]

That's actually what you want, vibration can kill you.

[@whatyoudo9773]

i tried to watch this recently, the captains "baby-chair" was my first clue this was crap....didnt make it much further than that

[@ThePatank]

@@whatyoudo9773 I think lawrences fishburnes chair being wierd is probably the most baffling complaint about this movie or any movie, that ive ever heard

[@whatyoudo9773]

@@ThePatank whelp...what we know so far is that you are baffled

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

I think it was just an homage to Alien that wasn’t executed very well, i mean jesus those production designs are so unfitted for the whole gothic church/hellish torture chamber design of the rest of the space ship

[@654jimbob654]

True story: My dad used to work in a mental hospital for teens with various learning difficulties and behavioural problems. He and a few of the other staff organised a trip to take them to the cinema and picked Event Horizon, thinking for some reason that it would be a fun sci-fi film like Star Wars. My dad doesn't work at the mental hospital any more.

[@CeeJayThe13th]

@@dallesamllhals9161, it was *SO* much harder to do research like that in 1997. You couldn't just Google for trigger warnings or anything like that.

[@propheci]

Lol, yeah he dropped the ball on this one...

[@frankmerker630]

@@dallesamllhals9161 to be fair, it is a fairly misleading/misdirecting trailer. It does like a sci-fi action adventure with some Aliens elements, not just a straight up horror film

[@Repossessedurass]

That's weird when I was a kid I was in a placement and they took us to see Event Horizon.

[@rikrob5172]

I caught this around midnight on scifi when i was like 15. Fuvked with me for a long time

[@Superphilipp]

"and then he goes in the going-out-in-space-room" - Mike Stoklasa, science fiction fan

[@Fenglang1]

And after explaining to the viewer how faster than light engines work 😂

[@AnonRanGER01]

There are no airlocks in Star Trek.

[@tylerdurden5303]

Whoa there, Mike! You're getting too technical for me.

[@FriendlyDemon93]

'The crew gradually form a plan, and attempt to lure the alien into the going-out-in-space-room. But it is far too intelligent to be caught in such an obvious trap, and spends most of the afternoon lurking in the conservatory'

[@byebyecitybyebye]

"sorta like a warp drive" -Mike Stoklasa, science fiction fan

[@AdrianArmbruster]

Even after it turns into shlock around the 75% mark, "where we're going, we won't need eyes to see" is a pretty good possessed bad guy line.

[@turtleanton6539]

Yuuup

[@jonilaht]

where we're going we don't need roads

[@emilholst9789]

Except it was stupid because apparently he didn't need eyes where he was either. So, he could see without eyes because of space magic?....LAME!

[@danielmeixner7125]

​@@emilholst9789he was just getting ready. Like putting on a raincoat before you leave the house.

[@SourRobo8364]

Event Horizon helped inspire Dead Space. So for that, I am grateful it exists.

[@tylerdurden5303]

Sam Neill's character designed the Event Horizon. He was never onboard the ship when it went on it's maiden voyage. Sam Neill's character is very similar to Jack Torrance in The Shining, except that his wife committed suicide - so he felt guilty for her death. The captain of the Event Horizon knew Latin. He said "Ave, atque, vale" (Hail and farewell) before they engaged the warp engine - hence, why he said "Liberatis tutemet" (Save yourself) during the blood orgy scene in the final video log.

[@MakiPcr]

Exactly! He speaks in Latin because he's a pretentious weirdo!

[@shan4680]

@@MakiPcr Or maybe he's just educated with a sense of pioneering adventure.

[@Largentina.]

Thank you so much for this information! I don't know how I would've slept tonight.

[@cormano64]

@@shan4680 Exactly what a pretentious weirdo would say. Well done.

[@piehalo]

“Liberatis tutemet” would mean something like “you yourself save,” it’s “libera te tutemet” bc u need the imperative

[@grabowski5348]

This movie is more cheery than Star Trek: Picard

[@StephenSchaal]

Or a German shizer video

[@JosephDavies]

@@SpaceSkeletonDragon As someone who despises Event Horizon and loves Star Trek, I 100% agree with you.

[@evildoughboy7773]

Star Trek Picard is the living hell that came back from the Event Horizon.

[@JosephDavies]

@@evildoughboy7773 Absolutely.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

@@StephenSchaal I dont know what that is and I'm afraid to Google it.

[@rigbogrambler9171]

Mike: *explains the intricacies of FTL travel and how its represented in all these different Sci-Fi franchises* Also Mike: *calls an Airlock the “going out into space room”*

[@MichaelAllred]

Mike was NOT the guy to review this

[@Lemon_Inspector]

Well, he does compare it to Star Trek Enterprise from Star Wars. ...which is incorrect, because as sci-fi FTL travel goes, Startrek Enterprise from the Star Wars franchise is the polar opposite of the SS Event Horizon from the film Event Horizon

[@666FallenShadow]

i found that kind of baffling too. maybe they filmed that part after having a few too many beers. or maybe his brain stopped caring since he didn't like this movie at all.

[@foamingclean596]

@@666FallenShadow Honestly just seemed like one of the things he says for Comedy because it's cringe and makes nerds upset on the internet. Pretty sure mixing and matching the two is one of his go to jokes.

[@paulrockatansky77]

Not to mention that the Warp drive, Singularity drive, and the one aboard the Event Horizon are all different types of engines.

[@YourHumbleNarrator]

I always interpreted Sam Neil's character as having put his whole life into the warp drive, to the point where is wife felt so alone she ended up killing herself. The emotional trauma of that makes him even more attached to his creation, and both these things make him more susceptible to Hellraiser Dimmension™ influence

[@OpenMawProductions]

That's exactly it. Yep.

[@DoctorJammer]

Basically Solaris but obvious.

[@raerth]

"Why is the demon speaking Latin?" It was the captain of the ship speaking Latin. They show another recording of him giving a Latin quote as they set off on the mission. Just was a language he knew.

[@whywhy8324]

It wasn't the captain. Fishburn played the captain, the medic guy was the one who spoke Latin.

[@dyveira]

@@whywhy8324 He's talking about the Event Horizon's captain, from the found footage video log with all the gore.

[@raerth]

@@whywhy8324 I mean the Event Horizon's Captain. Larry Fishbone was the Captain of the rescue ship Lewis and Clarke.

[@CamembertDave]

@@InBetweenMolecules The thing I really like about this film is that it portrays a "hell" which isn't connected to religion.

[@artcrime2999]

Yeah the captain of the Event Horizon speaks Latin in a small ceremony before he activates the warp core and they immediately suffer

[@OfficerRFriendly]

Sam Neill's character designed the ship. That's why he says he's already home. Not because he was already on it when it went through the wormhole.

[@kaderdetroyes9240]

No

[@OfficerRFriendly]

@@kaderdetroyes9240 ...this isn't opinion, it's a fact stated in the movie.

[@kaderdetroyes9240]

@@OfficerRFriendly oh ok then

[@RaidoTeagan]

@@kaderdetroyes9240 🤔

[@christiangilligan9186]

Yeah. He literally says 'I built it' Then one of em says 'I can see why they sent YOU' He wanted the ship, his life's work, back. Especially given what it cost him. And the ship exploited the trauma of his wife's suicide (and that he pretty much caused it, indirectly) and used that to GET him. So by thr end, the ship has possessed him but it kinda backdoored in so he's more with it than Justin. All of this is pretty obvious if you just, y'know, WATCH THE MOVIE. They're funny as hell, but sometimes I wonder if these guys intentionally gloss over shit like this expressly for comedic purposes.

[@derekjohnson3828]

The best part of this video is how all of Mike’s suggestions for improving this movie (“Put a kid in there!”) sound exactly like how Hollywood studio executives see a film they don’t understand and ruin it by incorporating plot points and characters from other movies you’ve seen.

[@CopiousDoinksLLC]

Yeah, I feel like this is one of those movies that Mike made a conscious decision not to 'get' because he had a fundamental problem with the premise. After all, Mike's a pretty big Star Trek fan, he likes his science fiction. Blending horror and science fiction together is probably something that just doesn't sit right with him from the very start.

[@Furcifer93]

@@CopiousDoinksLLC which is weird since Mike has said that the original Star Trek was a horror series set in space.

[@pa.encema2821]

Mike is such an ass

[@derekjohnson3828]

@Max Roderick I don't doubt that he didn't put a lot of thought into it. They're still bad ideas that would have made this movie immeasurably worse and less memorable had they been implemented. The issue is not that there is a legitimate gap in the text, it's that the movie is not for Mike. That doesn't mean his personal issues are objective, valid criticism.

[@quddusgordon1545]

He didnt say "put a kid in there" he said the movie lacked an array of characters with a diverse set of perspectives regarding the supernatural events. He then spitballed some examples like a religious expert with insight into hell, a skeptical scientist, a doctor who's on the fence, throw a kid in there. Jay pointed out that a kid would have ruined it, and mike turned it into a joke about bad producer ideas. If you dont think that a diversity of motivations would've improved the movie, check out the show firefly. It's a great example of how characters having distinct perspectives on the conflict gets you invested by encouraging you to throw your own thoughts into the mix and root for one over the other.

[@j.l.887]

“FUCK THIS SHIP!” Fishburne delivered that line perfectly.

[@zetetick395]

He's great, from Apocalypse Now in 79 to the Hannibal TV series in 2014 - LF always does a great job! 👍

[@jamiefugazi6974]

He meant ''Fuck this script'' they just left it in lol still love this movie. The Prodigy song at the end is epic.

[@numinous2506]

My suspension of disbelief was solidified by Larry's line deliverance there.

[@mitchellbecker610]

Took Mike less than 10 minutes to bring up Star Trek. He’s showing great restraint

[@jasonjayalap]

And he barely hinted at Romulan space ships being powered by black holes.

[@tzaneee]

8 min *

[@pdzombie1906]

The geek is strong in this one...

[@shan4680]

They actually used footage from this film in an episode of Star Trek Voyager believe it or not. No, not that footage.

[@jamesdavis7725]

Gotta note, the Earth scientists knew the recording was Latin. They thought it was "Liberate me" (save me). They got the actual recording from the ship itself. It was impossible to get the actual phrase (Liberate tute me ex infernis, save yourselves from Hell) until they got to the ship. Also, the captain, not the demon, was speaking Latin. Why? He was a Latin aficionado. They showed him toasting the crew in Latin before they warped.

[@anothercleverusername992]

Plus... Doesn't it make sense that if you have a message from Hell in your film... That it would be spoken in Latin?

[@aarcas]

@@anothercleverusername992 I doubt it's literally the Christian hell but just some fucked up alternate dimension that could be described as Hellish. Doubt the entities there would be speak an ancient European language.

[@Ensgnblack]

It’s also incorrect Latin.

[@SecuR0M]

@@Ensgnblack He's a spaceship captain, not a lawyer. Cut him some slack.

[@bobatron2639]

They hint that the guy who is the captain of the Event Horizon knows latin. In one of the logs he gives a latin phrase to celebrate their voyage.

[@SebaKingmaker]

I love that Mike explains warp drive using Star Trek logic. I was waiting for someone to come in and say "Mike, let me tell you about Warhammer 40k warp travel..."

[@mabusestestament]

What's Warhammer 40k warp travel?

[@OJSTheJuice]

@@mabusestestament FTL travel through Hell.

[@doshka17channel70]

@@mabusestestament they rip a hole through hell and fly through it, using a tortured psychic to navigate and generate an energy shield that prevents demons from getting inside (most of the time) Even if you make it through, its entirely possible that you didn't quite end up 'where' or 'when' you intended

[@SebaKingmaker]

@@mabusestestament Doshka17 explained it pretty well. You travel through an immaterial hell protected by a "reality bubble" called a Gellar Field. If it fails, the ship and its crew get infested by the demons which live there.... Or just get torn to pieces.... Or sexed and tortured for eternity.... Depends on the type of demon that finds you first.

[@Zlumpy77]

@@SebaKingmaker Unless they're orks. Then they get a great fight. Until the deamons puss out and leave.

[@patrickmcevoy5080]

Just for the record, I loved this movie at the time, but I rewatched it several years later and liked it even more.

[@duckbutcher2563]

The reason the Latin phrase is in there is because the captain of the event horizon speaks Latin in the pre-crazy log when they are setting off on the mission. Sets him up as the kind of grand-thinking guy who likes to drop Latin into everyday situations. That was a set up and pay off mike, pay attention!

[@shan4680]

It's one thing to not like a film or even hate it (that's everyone's prerogative) but for people so experienced in film criticism, there were a lot of things in this video that were just lazy by both of them given the film spells things out quite clearly. It's not trying to go out of its way to trick the viewer.

[@casbyness]

Mike's dementia is too far advanced now. He misses this kind of stuff all the time, the poor guy.

[@duckbutcher2563]

@@shan4680 yeah, I feel the word “perfunctory” tends to apply to some recent videos. Like something came across his desk and he was like “event horizon?! Fuck it!” Hack frauds etc ;) Even so, was a fun time.

[@janeeyre1990]

@@shan4680 and I would say that's fine if they didn't present their subjective reaction to movies as objective truth. Like at the beginning, Jay goes on about how Mortal Kombat was terrible, how people only like it because of nostalgia, and that it's okay to not like something now that you liked as a kid. Yes, and it's also okay for other people to think a movie is good when you think it's bad. This is why Rich is my favorite. Zero pretention or film student energy.

[@ahok1937]

@@janeeyre1990 also when they talk about the "dated techno music" when it's Prodigy. I know he wanted to make a parralel to the Mortal Kombat theme but it's like saying using Limp Bizkit at the end of your movie it's the same as using Deep Purple because both are rock/metal bands.

[@justin8776]

"Hell and spaceships just don't work." *heavy metal music in the distance intensifies*

[@FredCDobbs-rd5wi]

...and every person who has ever played Doom and/or Dead Space goes, "Wait, what?"

[@rotj4587]

GamesWorkshop: Shut it down boys, hell and space doesn't work!

[@Imgema]

Hell & Space is my favorite mix. Ancient religious nonsense mixed with Science fiction. It's the best.

[@joelrasdall7662]

@@rotj4587 Literally every Noise Marine: I CAAAAAAAAAAAN'T HEEEEEEEEEEAR YOOOOOOOOOOU

[@captured_agent5714]

A million neckbeards recoiled greasily in unison

[@jamesmccabe3041]

Favourite Line: Jay: This movie has a following. Mike: So did Charles Manson.

[@newdefsys]

Event Horizon has a lot of pros Sam Neill ✔ Laurence Fishburne ✔ Good Effects ✔ Atmospheric ✔ Its worth checking out.

[@joeschmoe3665]

Have you rewatched it lately the shitty computer effects looks terrible, sound effects makes you laugh and Sam Neil's complete detachment from reality makes no sense

[@newdefsys]

@@joeschmoe3665 Ah, I didnt say it made sense. Lol

[@dv2045]

Its so bad that Mr Plinkett would stuff the film crew in a fridge filled with flesh eating cochroaches!

[@KilliK69]

it's a solid horror movie. probably PWSA's best movie.

[@razkable]

It's a terrible film with good ideas actors and moments....

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

"Roman numerals are old." "Which has no place on a spaceship." Saturn V would like a word with you.

[@ericv00]

Who is "Saturn V"? Can you give me his full last name so I can look him up?

[@CoreIreland]

@@ericv00 - it's the blonde Sailor Scout.

[@bepkororoti8019]

VGER wants to meet its maker

[@Bi0mega]

Yup, it's me, the guy who loved Event Horizon and weeps for the loss of the deleted footage. Genuinely, this is one of my favourite horror movies. Is it a masterpiece in tension like The Shining or The Thing? No. Does it have an amazingly-written script? No. Is it 90-odd minutes of cheap fun and surprisingly inventive gore? Hell yes. And when I need something like that and don't feel like a slasher movie, I usually wind up reaching for this.

[@AndrewHxC]

There are dozens of us!

[@yadabub]

Event Horizon has many elements that could be improved. It is IMO a very flawed movie. That said, it is also one of the few movies that actually scares me a bit, even though I've seen it six times or more. Plus, I actually enjoy it more now than I did the first time as I know what I'm in for with EH. The first time I was expecting something different and was slightly disappointed.

[@herghoststory]

Amen! I reach for this movie often.

[@asabunnett7613]

Hey nothing wrong with that. I also really like it equally for the parts that work and the parts that are just schlock. It's really rare to find a movie with this kind of balance of good ideas AND so bad they're good ideas.

[@BillyBillyYeah]

Event Horizon, Mortal Kombat, and Twister are my top "I didn't say it was good, I said I liked it" movies

[@BrianNIL]

At the time Mortal Kombat was a groundbreaking film the way it relied so heavily on cg. That stuff was cool as hell and heralded a new era of filmmaking. Not that it was good lol

[@venomfuryx3250]

You mean a "guilty pleasure" ?

[@2Evil2Hope]

I think Twister stands above because of that Twister dinner and the Tornado growls.

[@venomfuryx3250]

@@2Evil2Hope also, it has Bill Paxton in it.

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

@@venomfuryx3250 The only man killed by Alien, Predator _and_ Terminator. R.I.P., you legend...

[@Joke_Bidumb]

It wasn't a Demon speaking Latin it was the ship's captain, even though he was posesed or whatever at the time. It was established, in the ship's log, that the captain could speak Latin as he gives an address in Latin prior to them activating the gravity drive.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Yep. Hail and farewell is what he says. Abec equitvale I believe.

[@Joseph-pt9yn]

​@@OpenMawProductionsave atque vale

[@awandererfromys1680]

I can quote a few Latin phrases too but that doesn't mean I can speak a dead language.

[@malinko35]

@@awandererfromys1680 many people speak fluent Latin. It's not such a dead language in the academic world.

[@javierganzarain4559]

​@@malinko35hell I remember one of my college teachers roasting us with short latin sentences he came up with on the spot

[@EBToriginal]

Just now realized the engine core is an angel.

[@evilcam]

Woah. I completely missed that, even though I've seen this movie like 100 times and also dig the 'biblical angel' meme, immensely. Nice catch.

[@hexusG4Z]

You what..?

[@brendanw8136]

@@hexusG4Z Biblical angels are described as being weird burning rings and stuff, much like the core here.

[@hexusG4Z]

@@Fgway Thanks I did and, yep they are the bloody same. Just another cool detail that,

[@Paul-qe1jn]

Fallen one

[@WW-zt1zs]

Finally. Jay can talk about his favorite Paul Thomas Anderson movie.

[@Psilocybin77]

I just call him the crappy Paul Anderson lol

[@frankmerker630]

I think Paul Thomas Anderson made Punch Drunk Love to show that he can make a better movie with Adam Sandler as the lead actor than any Paul WS Anderson film

[@littlekingtrashmouth9219]

@@frankmerker630 And also make a romantic comedy watchable

[@UrinationNation]

Paul Thomas Wes S Anderson is an inconsistent director.

[@littlekingtrashmouth9219]

@@UrinationNation What about “there will be bottlerocket?” Or “Rushmore nights?”

[@JackChurchill101]

Come on - Sam Neil Designed the ship and built it - his technology, - and he spent so much time working on it that he neglected his wife and she had problems which resulted in suicide - so he "chose" his home before the film starts, and that is the reference to him "being home". Also, the ship is then driving him mad and possessing him (i.e. The Shining) and warping his mind. This isn't subtext, it's in the text. This film is a bat-shit crazy Gem and I love it.

[@patriciapandacoon7162]

I was with you until the last sentence

[@mendeleyev1790]

Just cause someone disagrees doesnt mean you have to hate the movie

[@TechnicJunglist]

I need the longer uncut version. Lovecraftian material is hard to pull off but I still love it. Sam did this and In The Mouth of Madness close together and make for a great double feature.

[@OpenMawProductions]

You can see most of what was cut on KZbin in low rez form. Very little of the blood orgy or visions from hell was actually cut. Most of what was cut were character related scenes and a few short moments early on. The gore being cut has been greatly overexagertated.

[@CeruleanFilms]

It wasn't just gore they cut - there was a LOT of plot exposition and material they had to cut, mainly because the release date was rushed and they couldn't finish all the effects. One of those scenes is Weir being briefed on the ship's reappearance, and begging to be put on the Lewis & Clark.

[@moomoo1200]

The film has fundamental problems due to how exposition is delivered, that’s why the characters are boring and one dimension, the scenes that expose the crews fear are used to build their characters but it only shows how shallow these characters and plot are.

[@DDlambchop43]

it's included in the novelization. the semi religious undertones are in it too, but it worth getting.

[@KarlTheExpert]

The briefing scene actually survived, saw it on YT a while ago and it's just not good, overly long, clunky, questionable acting, doesn't add all that much. Maybe better editing could've helped but eh, gotta assume most of the other deleted stuff isn't much better either.

[@steviegbcool]

Yeah the other Problem is the action. Theres a reason the Shining doesn't have explosions and stunts in it. Sometimes they forgot which movie they were ripping off Aliens or The Shining...

[@amytaylor555]

The theme is GUILT. Sam Neil isn’t a Devil worshipper. He is driven mad by the guilt of his wife committing suicide while he was too busy working on creating the ship. Every person on the ship has to face their guilt. 90’s, yes, entertaining, yes.

[@DDlambchop43]

he was already on the edge; the ship just nudged him over.

[@steviegbcool]

I felt guilty making my friends watch this last night

[@navylaks2]

@@steviegbcool Did you go to a hellish dimension ?

[@steviegbcool]

@@navylaks2 no but i guess it would forced to watch Event horizon on loop

[@asmith9554]

No, it's the Chaos affecting him. Even the portal is shaped like Chaos Unleashed (the icon)

[@Paulysolo]

Worth mentioning that the Captain of the Event Horizon speaks Latin when the ship is being launched, so they set up he spoke Latin. Unfortunately we can't fire anyone for that blunder.

[@user-hu6pk3zs3i]

Mike proven to be a hack fraud yet again!

[@whywhy8324]

It's not the captain, it's the doctor from the Lewis & Clark.

[@Antillles]

@@whywhy8324 He is talking about the original Captain of the Event Horizon. He is shown in a video before the Event Horizon take off and he said something in latin (and I think the movie also implies he was a religious man), that's why he talks latin in the blood orgy video later on. This whole Re:View episode gave me WW1984 vibes. It seems they missed a few things.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@Antillles Of course he's actually talking Latin because it's spooky. But I'm impressed they gave an in - universe justification.

[@Antillles]

​@@alanpennie8013 Sure, they probably first thought about the spooky Latin phrase and then justified it. But is not a "demon from another dimension speaking Latin for no reason" like they tried to imply.

[@TheGamesWin]

"Hell and spaceships don't work" Meanwhile, the entire 40k lore universe and hundreds if not thousands of books

[@zimriel]

WS Anderson has literally cited 40k's Imperium and Warp as influences on this movie

[@piscessoedroen]

@@zimriel wasn't it supposed to be a 40K movie about chaos demons but since he doesn't get the license the 40k element is changed

[@ryanmcclure8868]

Reminds me of the time when Starcraft was originally going to be a wh40k rts

[@zackarysullivan9019]

@@zimrielwhat

[@whatsgoingon71]

We all know, that Mike likes his scifi production design to look like the interiour of a 1997 Honda Civic DX...

[@Myrth1]

Correction: Mike hates every space-themed sci-fi that isn't Star Trek. He always talks about how he likes structure, the "we need to figure this out" scenarios of smart people applying their smarts and the "down-to-Earth" sci-fi. Yet he trashed absolutely every single movie with exact that premise they've ever reviewed or mentioned, sans for Annihilation (where he still complained about the very things he supposedly likes). Hacks and frauds, indeed.

[@brkn613]

@@Myrth1 also arrival and the vast of night I feel he liked.

[@Ryukachoo]

29:20 Ironically, the most reliable way to disconnect two things in rocket engineering is an explosive bolt. They basically never fail, and are super strong

[@HelloTosho]

Yeah of all the ridiculousness in Event Horizon, explosive bolts to separate your crew from a black hole machine that sends you to hell seems pretty sensible.

[@Rand0mNumb3r]

Yea, a more reasonable complaint would to wonder why there was no reversible disconnects, a mechanical one and a back up explosive. Make the mechanical weirdly corroded and quickly gloss over it for flavor.

[@davidsantacarla]

Event Horizon was probably one of the most ambitious sci-fi horror movies ever made. I enjoy watching it whenever it’s on. Great performances, terrific set design and fantastic horror!

[@TheSingularitarian]

Both sets!

[@honkeykong1904]

henlo borther

[@JimBrodie]

And the best quote ever, "I don't know." - Dr Weir.

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

Yes, the movie is 90's as all hell, but it's absolutely a good time.

[@tbirdUCW6ReAJ]

It’s definitely ambitious and I think it influenced Dead Space. But like they said, Paul Andersen had to have some schlock in the movie and I think it ruined it. It had a lot of potential and I think Andersen does too but he has a low opinion of himself, calling himself a “populist filmmaker not fit critics”

[@AdamRobertshaw]

11:56 - he is the ships designer, he treats the design of the ship really close to his heart, knowing every intricate detail - to him the ship feels like home. He wasn't on the maiden voyage.

[@FCT5809]

The captain of the Event Horizon spoke Latin at the beginning of the film, before the portal opened. There you go.

[@stargalaxyblack]

Also why are they assuming its a demon from hell speaking latin? its clearly that captain you mentioned. Dont understand why they didnt get that.

[@richardcoulson6027]

Thank you! I have no idea why they found this confusing.

[@ElOchentero]

Thank you I was about to say that.

[@FilonisHat]

@@stargalaxyblack who cares man. The movie was ass and deserves a good roasting. What a waste of the audience’s time.

[@typie34]

@@FilonisHat nah it was a fine movie, the execution was just mediocre

[@rakninja]

mike, explosive decoupling is a thing, we've used it extensively on our own space program. you use it to make sure that the things you are decoupling are propelled away from each other, to prevent collision. also, from my time in the army, explosives are almost always explicitly marked as such. this part is actually fairly grounded in the real world.

[@Overdoseplus]

Yeah military gear always very simple and precise instruction it seems. It's like making fun of a movie because the claymore had 'point towards the enemy' on it.

[@dannyboy5008]

@@Overdoseplus of course theres training involved in the handling of explosives, but why wouldnt you want things that can blow up at any minute to have easily understood instructions/warnings on them? It's very common for humans to mark things as hazardous.

[@gydorack]

Yeah, but explosive decoupling usually doesn't take place inside the spacecraft and do not create giant Michael Bay fireballs.

[@rakninja]

@@gydorack generally, we dont use explosive decoupling in anything with actual internal crew access, if that's what you mean by "inside." the most famous examples are the solid fuel boosters for the space shuttle. also various segments of the saturn 5. the latter decoupling is "inside" the rocket, but not in crew accessible areas i do think it's pretty reasonable for this ship to be designed like this. the explosive decoupling here would be like that used on solar sail designs to allow the sail to be jettisoned in the event the craft goes out of control. cant argue the bay explosions, accurate explosions are too boring and not cinematic enough for a hollywood movie

[@lamelama22]

@@rakninja I feel like this was just a bigger version of and/or followed the basic premise/purpose of explosive bolts; which are/have been commonly used on spacecraft, for very similar reasons to those in the movie. They were assuming that if shit hit the fan with the *literally untested* gravity drive, that they'd need near-instant separation; they couldn't afford to wait for some undocking procedure.

[@NickLanng]

"Where we're going we won't need eyes to see" - That line always stuck with me

[@casbyness]

The audio recording was what did it for me O.O

[@UpUpBobby]

"Hell is only a word. The reality is much, much worse."

[@garypliers929]

"Roads? Where we're going, we don't need 'roads.'"

[@Wayoutthere]

@@UpUpBobby loved that line!

[@cashcleaner]

Not gonna lie, this was probably the first horror movie I watched that actually grabbed my attention and kept me interested. Oh, and as for Sam Neal’s character (Dr. Weir), he was never on the ship when it transited through the “hellverse”, but he was the chief designer and the black hole drive was essentially his brainchild.

[@zimriel]

yeah he was Heywood Floyd from 2010. He designed all the stuff in 2001 but didn't actually get onto that ship. Arthur C Clarke thought Floyd deserved better so made him the protagonist of the sequel (which was shit).

[@astupiddumbguy3537]

Mike: *complaining about shucking the format of re:View* also Mike: "Welcome to re:View. Here's my pitch for Star Trek Galaxy."

[@jimbo9305]

I laughed at: "It still has a cult following." "So does Charles Manson."

[@turtleanton6539]

Lol

[@mikeymegamega]

For real this film scared me so much as a kid my friends mum had to walk me home. He was my next-door neighbour.

[@bradleyfinney4756]

I saw it on TV with my mum when I was about 8 or 9 and had nightmares for months, it put me off horror films for 20 years

[@butchjohnson9736]

Me too, and for that alone it is worth watching. It's not as bad as Mike thinks.

[@ejflor1313]

@@butchjohnson9736 it’s really bad

[@helila]

I also saw it as a 9 year old, on a burned dvd that my brother got from someone. Coincidentally, I saw Animatrix around the same time. I had a bad time.

[@StardustX24]

As a kid? 😂 wow

[@TaglitoFilms]

Mike: "I love science fiction and interstellar travel." Also Mike: "He goes into the room, The going into space room."

[@RegularCupOfJoe]

Mike is sometimes like that mom that pretends to like sports but is completely clueless. Everyone: "Touchdown!" That mom: "Oh, I love hockey!"

[@OpenMawProductions]

I think it's the booze and the dimentia.

[@shadowxps]

I will always appreciate Event Horizon because it gave us Dead Space

[@full-metal_jacob5858]

Now how isnt Dead Space a movie yet???

[@NukaCola514]

@@full-metal_jacob5858 There's animated Dead Space movies, but only the first one is good imo. A live action one would probably suck though (just look at DOOM) so I'll gladly just stick to the games

[@FredCDobbs-rd5wi]

And fuck EA for taking it away from us.

[@Rejukem]

@@FredCDobbs-rd5wi (E)arly (A)ccess turned it into the Alien franchise. DS 1: Coming out the gate strong for space horror DS 2: Almost perfect DS 3: Had good moments, but a big letdown

[@necromorph1109]

Best comment on KZbin this month . This movies was a big inspiration for dead space ( best horror game ever made) Now Spider.... here comes the true question . How many dead space games are there ? 2 or 3?

[@Trainy2]

Underrated movie for sure. Some of the scenes in this just stick with you forever.

[@Fordddyyy]

I think it's a good example of a clear and passionate vision being a more meaningful experience than technical excellence

[@Trowa71]

Mike: "Star Trek warps Time-Space, and this is where Ghosts come from" Jay: Mike: "I hate this movie"

[@LeynosJehuty]

Let's do the time warp again!

[@PanzerMold]

I genuinely do love Mortal Kombat. To this day it still holds the high score on the video game adaptation film scoreboard(As low as that can be). It has fun action, an awesome soundtrack and several pitch perfect casting choices.

[@ZachFett]

I'm genuinely shocked that they both hate Mortal Kombat, it's a really fun cheesy movie.

[@saloz9483]

Yea I still love it and its not nostalgia like Jay said. I mean I rewatched it again when I bought the blu ray.

[@dixonhill1108]

@@ZachFett RLM are so full of shit at times. MK is a bad movie, but it is relatively well done for a garbage movie. It's the same thing with the super mario movie, I was 30 when I first so it, zero nostalgia and I liked it for what it is. Very very creative...

[@LokiTricksterG]

I recently re-watched it and was surprised at how good the visuals are (well, sans the Reptile CGI). Every setting has a sort of creepy, decayed look to it that adds to the atmosphere. Also, the actors who played Kano and Johnny Cage were fantastic.

[@stefanmarinkovic1229]

@@dixonhill1108 or maybe, you liked it and they didn't

[@zigzera7757]

This movie caught a lot of the 40k crowd and they look at it as the lore for humanities first attempt and space travel

[@srbbent]

Philip Eisner said on his twitter that he was a huge fan of 40k, and that it may have been an influence. So at least on a script level there is some sort of connection, even if unofficially.

[@charlesforbin8526]

No wonder it didn't work without the guiding light of the God-Emperor.

[@UniversalWhatnot]

The Event Horizon’s horrible engine is one of my favorite science fiction designs ever. It’s so threatening and mysterious and absolutely outrageous.

[@BillyBillyYeah]

the gravity drive was fueled by exactly one thing: being outrageously extra

[@danielc-s8056]

check out 40k. this ship is the standard human method of travel lol

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Every time i see the engine and the core, i can see how amazingly creative it is, how terrifying it is and yet i always have to ask “Why the hell did they build it like that?”

[@clavius8182]

if you're just looking at the design in isolation, you can be like "Hey, Gothic madhouse aesthetic -nice!". but if you question for a second why the ship actually looks the way it does... it's not outrageous, it's just stupid. and not fun stupid.

[@Ektalon]

Oh God, the doors with spikes on their inner edges . . .

[@bluntercanvas4257]

Voyager used snippets from Event Horizon in the episode "Random Thoughts." Which means canonically Tuvok watched Event Horizon on movie night and it affected him greatly.

[@alexsilva28]

Surprised Mike didn't mention that

[@ryanmcclure8868]

Mike confirmed a fake trekkie

[@bgezal]

A spaceship orbiting a foggy planet. Crew in distress, personality changed. A rescue crew. Hallucinations. A supernatural being/world playing with people's fears, and an ending where we are not sure if anyone won. It's got so much similarities with *Solaris*.

[@RFC-3514]

Well... Solaris (the book, anyway - none of the films quite lived up to it) is a pretty deep reflection on the impossibility of communication and true understanding between vastly different forms of intelligence (there's no "playing with people's fears" - Solaris actually tries to satisfy people's _desires,_ it just doesn't understand humans, it's like zoologists playing animal noises back to them), while this is basically a flying medieval dungeon with buckets of blood and things that go boom. Edit: Also, while Lem did write a lot of (deliberately) very silly sci-fi, Solaris was one of his more "serious" books (he did know his physics and orbital mechanics), and nearly all the actual "space stuff" in Event Horizon is just nonsense.

[@OpenMawProductions]

@@RFC-3514 Not really. Most of what Event Horizon postulates about space travel is fairly accurate. Using gravity couches and stasis to overcome extreme g-forces, having limited oxygen, relying on CO2 scrubbers. Using Neptune's atmosphere as an analogue for a stormy night... Justin's over the top blood geyer when exposed to the vacuum isn't remotely accurate, but i'm not seeing "nonsense."

[@heinrich1]

"Why did you bring me here today? I was sleeping." Grandpa Mike.

[@RandomAccessDreams]

@@vitorafmonteiro Tragic irony? Or poetic justice? You tell me.

[@KizaruB]

Back when Paul WS Anderson didn’t cast his wife in EVERY role

[@madcityy269]

Yeah, it's a real shame. Mila Johovic is a fantastic actress.

[@B-Dad]

This was about 5 years before they met! Otherwise she woulda played someone 😂🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ian12346]

@@madcityy269 😆😆 nice

[@thedad7313]

Fair play to him, I’d do anything to keep her happy (must be hard now that’s she’s off the blow).

[@StevenErnest]

@@thedad7313 Wait, what?

[@morganwhaley9119]

"Say the line, Jay!" "This is borderline experimental . . ." "YAY!"

[@bencarlson4300]

I think there’s a GREAT movie buried deep inside the final product. A lot of the flaws Mike and Jay mentioned are legitimate, but my main problem was the pacing: it’s too quick. This should have been a much more quiet, suspenseful film and instead it feels sometimes like characters never stop talking. With a MUCH better director with the freedom to make it dark and slow, this could be a masterpiece.

[@javierganzarain4559]

Great comment. The comedic side characters are annoying, the plot holes are unavoidable but that's just surface level. This hands down goes to the core flaw of this movie. I still love this flick for what it is though

[@MrGgolub]

''Hell and space ships just don't work" Inquisitor : ''That's the spirit imperial citizen''

[@Byrvurra]

Finally someone else has the correct take on that statement, instead of getting salty lol.

[@johnlong8952]

The crew didn't say "The Emperor Protects" before leaving.

[@onelividguardsman5681]

keep those Geller fields on citizen, the last thing you want is a Slaaneshi daemon diddling your holes.

[@nicccandussi865]

I was looking for a comment like that and am glad to have found it. :)

[@bethbearmacethatguy]

@@onelividguardsman5681 Me and da boyz don't need no stinkin' galler fieldz...bring me demons to krump!

[@jack8129]

I saw Event Horizon for the first time on HBO at 2am when I was 10 years old and it thoroughly creeped me out. It’s been stuck in the back of my brain ever since.

[@LizardMammaryGlands]

I think that's pretty much what I did, and suffered the same consequences lol

[@991yugioh]

The ship core is inspired by the accurate depiction of Angels. Circle within circles...and the circles have eyes.

[@Dannyheal]

I never thought of it that way. It opens up how well the production designer did even further.

[@ManFromTheFizz]

What depictions of Angels are you even talking about? Is any of that biblical XD?

[@Dannyheal]

It is in the Old Testament. Ezekiel and Isaiah, and other mentions such as the Book of Enoch. In the New Testament they were given a more human appearance.

[@ErnReich]

@@ManFromTheFizz yeah dude, the prophets called them thrones. Issac and Daniel both have visions of the angels. Biblically accurate angels are weird af

[@thomasbayer1843]

Angels aren't described frequently in the Bible. But if you wanna see these brief descriptions referred here, then you wanna read Ezekiel chapters 1 and 10, Isaiah 6, and Revelation 4. They aren't really long reads. Let me share Ezekiel 10:12 which some of these comments seem based upon: "Their entire bodies, their backs, their hands, their wings, and the wheels, the wheels of all four of them, were full of eyes all around."

[@tomtorpedo]

That scene with Jay smiling with the horror scene in the background made me laugh so damn hard

[@ZombieWagon]

That's probably why Mike doesn't like Event Horizon - it's one of Jay's "weird pervert movies".

[@whicker5]

Look, I love Event Horizon, but how could you guys have watched the movie, then not understood how Sam Neil's character fit in? It's literallt the entire first half before they get ot the ship. He designed the ship, that's why he's "home"

[@SoaringLettuce]

I'll always appreciate this movie for the "We're leaving" moment.

[@BigBeakEntertainment]

This is the weirdest Star Trek: The Next Generation episode Mike and Rich have ever talked about.

[@shan4680]

I kid you not, they used some footage from this film in Star Trek Voyager (no not that footage!).

[@larshansson1953]

I'm with Jay. I actually like this more now than I did when I first watched it.

[@Killercreek]

Aerospace engineer here: explosive bolts are a thing we use routinely in spacecraft and rocketry

[@iusegentoobtw]

name checks out

[@The1337guy1]

Kind of amazed more people don't know about these. They're key in a lot of emergency systems, especially when you gotta jettison parts of the craft.

[@MALICEM12]

@@The1337guy1 "kind of amazed more people don't know about these." Most people don't mess around with spacecraft and rocketry as OP put it. Hell, nowadays most people don't know how to do basic maintenance on their car and the tools that go along with that.

[@icemachine79]

Except these "bolts" were so ridiculously overpowered that they actually shattered the midsection of the ship into pieces. I'm pretty sure NASA tries to avoid creating thousands of flying projectiles during emergency situations.

[@bleepbloop101010101]

@@MALICEM12 tbf cars are a lot more complicated than they used to be

[@TheWitchfinderGenral]

"Hell and space ships don't work" - nobody tell Mike about Warhammer 40K

[@lock376]

We all know Mike would hate 40k or atleast suggest we go back to rogue trader days of everything being stupidly funny but not being condusive to books or narratives

[@outerfun5310]

It's not demon who speaks latin in the transmission, it's the captain, he does it in their final normal log.

[@joechapman8208]

Do we really think the captain spoke fluent Latin, though? That was clearly meant to be the demon

[@outerfun5310]

@@joechapman8208 only captain spoke latin, while baby bear or bill didn't despite being possessed.

[@whywhy8324]

It's not the captain, it's the medic guy. The message is some weird timey-wimey shit where he sent it from the future to himself and the crew.

[@outerfun5310]

@@whywhy8324 it's the captain of event horizon, medic just knows latin as well, so he translates it

[@deshwitat357hedge7]

Yeah he is shown speaking latin while not possessed in the video logs.

[@andrewzach1921]

I am going back and watching these old episodes and i keep getting served more. Really appreciate them

[@ReinBelmont]

Mike: "Hell and spaceships just don't work" "Alexa, play Rip & Tear"

[@BrentWalker999]

Ahh! A fellow man of culture I see

[@deanscordilis7280]

Event Horizon really is a DOOM prequel, isn’t it?

[@Byrvurra]

I think Doom Guy would agree though, that's kind of his entire motivation.

[@NuclearSavety]

Its more DOOM than the DOOM movies....

[@Spootnik]

I was just thinking that. Although, ever DOOM movie ever made has been awful.

[@Crimson_Logic]

The "I'm already home" part. I took the meaning of that being, he's home, because he was the ships designer.

[@marshallgregory2936]

I was took it to mean that Sam Neil was already under the possession of the Ship. I figured the Ship had been calling to him since it came back to this Dimension, and at that point had completely takenhim over. But I like your explanation too. Now I think it could be a combination of both explanations.

[@navylaks2]

I always wondered why he had those visions of his dead wife before he even arrived at the Horizon?. Perhaps the ship was calling out to him

[@GenEXReviews]

This is the first time I've seen Mike talk Jay out of a movie he liked.

[@danieltrevinoc]

Yeah even though they were opposites on Escape From New York, Jay wouldn't change his mind on it

[@MustelaPutoriusFuro99]

Now they just have to do one on The Strangers

[@alanpennie8013]

@@danieltrevinoc I suppose Jay has be admit this is sloppily made. Though there's some evidence that this is the result of studio meddling, and Anderson might have made a perfectly good film if he hadn't been sabotaged.

[@GenEXReviews]

@@caucasoidape8838 Lol!

[@PaoloLery]

That ‘we’re leaving’ line is a classic 😂

[@ScoobyDoofus]

When I made my Dad watch this with me shortly after it released, he told me it was basically an unlicensed rip-off of a novel by former Astronaut Edward Gibson, called "Reach". In Reach, an advanced space vessel is sent out and disappears, then a 2nd mission is dispatched to discover what happened to the 1st. Cue discovery of black hole, which leads to the universe of a weird life entity that "feeds" on information & experience. Especially strong experiences. Like fear and pain. It has possessed the 1st ship and killed the crew. Now it looks to feed on the 2nd crew...basically...same dang story with a little more science and a little less Hellraiser. Released less than 10 years before Event Horizon. All that said, I still enjoy Event Horizon, and it's clear the fellas missed quite a few obvious plot points and details watching that flick.

[@tulinfirenze1990]

Plus like every fucking STAR TREK episode where your fears manifest as reality. I remember coming out of this in 1997 and thinking - I've seen this bloody story twice per season on every series of STAR TREK I've ever watched!

[@charlessalvia7176]

@@tulinfirenze1990 Yeah I was thinking the same thing. It's such a cliche and boring premise. I feel like there was at least 10 episodes of Voyager with this same stupid plot (ship encounters some anomaly, individual characters walking alone through corridors, fear-based hallucinations ensue)

[@SoraiaJJ]

The whole idea of travelling through dimensions is copied from Star Trek as well. In TNG episode the high ground, dr crusher is kidnapped by a terrorist group who use dimension jumping as a method of travel... that episode came out in 1990

[@tulinfirenze1990]

@@charlessalvia7176 Another episode was TNG's "Night Terrors". Personally, I find the scene of Beverly walking through the row of dead bodies that have all sat up under their white sheets to be far more scary than anything in this schlock fest.

[@JohnDoe-sp3dc]

Considering just how much pulp scifi was written during the 20th century, there probably isn't a single scifi movie that's not derivative of some earlier novel.

[@LoganCovers91]

Mike suggesting an Event Horizon set in a more realistic ship is literally the movie Sunshine (2007)

[@nexviper]

It would be a bit different to Sunshine though certainly in a similar vein. Perhaps a prequel about what happened on Icarus I would get even closer?

[@BuntUndStereo]

I get the connection to Sunshine, although not least because my opinion about it resembles Mike's about Event Horizon. It has got a lot of things I should like and the movie starts out promising, but for me it falls apart quickly with how the characters are written. Emotionally unstable and unprofessional crew on "serious missions" just don't work for me. At least make some of them funny or likeable for gods sake. Also didn't work for me in Prometheus (same kinda premise, I SHOULD like the ingredients but the writing ruined it). I know a lot of folks seem to absolutely love Sunshine but it never really worked for me.

[@LeynosJehuty]

Or Pandorum

[@Danne-Danger]

Well, almost. Event Horizon having a more realistic setting and being a proper great movie would literally be Sunshine. And unlike Event Horizon, which has never been good as it is interesting, Sunshine will age gracefully. I think the further it gets from the kneejerk bandwagon opinion on the last act people will start appreciating it more. Mike Kermode has presented what I believe will be its lasting legacy, and also makes the comparison in his Film Club: Sunshine.

[@Lambdaleth]

Sunshine was the only truly scary movie I remember seeing in theatres before I became interested in horror movies as a kid. It was not at all marketed as a horror movie but that last third really fucked me up at the time haha.

[@DanKoerner]

"We're going to Proxima Centauri, and we're gonna fold time and space...but we accidentally open a gateway to Hellraiser." - Exactly perfect synopsis of Event Horizon

[@DrSweetJp]

event horizon is basically 40k when you travel the warp without protection