EverQuest Beta: Hero's Forge Zone, Mercenary quests, easy beta tokens, killing named Battleforged.

[@micker9830]

I prefer killing mobs for exp the most. It's crazy that you can get WAY better exp, just clicking on overseer for a couple mins a day, than hours of grinding. Original EQ was all about grinding mobs for exp. At least make it an option.

[@Twelvestrings]

Obviously I agree. I like to log on for 30 or 40 minutes and grind some AA. Group up with a partner. It's been the EQ way for 20+ years

[@gabrielbachman6154]

I do like the new quest. Progression for EXP is pretty nice. However, you're completely right I also missed the old school EXP grind Of just killing mobs. The zone designs And map designs Are also not as good as they used to be in terms of dungeons in places that we used to do such a thing. lower Guk , Sebillis , Chardok , the Hole , Crypt of Dalnir and Howling stones type dungeons seem to have disappeared. It's a shame , you used to have that one Uber zone / dungeon people who go to lfg because you knew people would be there kill gring for hours.

[@-rhys]

Thanks for the content and your (completely supported) views. Love the game, but don't completely agree with Daybreaks decisions in that regard. If enough people constructively disagree with it then maybe we'll see a change.

[@Twelvestrings]

It would be an easy change I'd think.

[@MrKveite1]

Hmm 300 mill is less than t2 mobs in Nos and the expansion before NoS so i dont agree with you that it's a lot. I killed this ones brother in shadowhaven or whatever and he had 800 mill + hp. Wasnt a problem with my 3 box but it took a little bit of time compared to the regular 300-330 mill ones.

[@Twelvestrings]

So far everything is doable by a well geared AA'd level 120. But I've run into some people that were having trouble. Honestly, I'm not good at judging what works for a casual player.

[@MrKveite1]

I have raidgear so i see your point indeed, it really makes a diff @@Twelvestrings

[@hohenzollern6025]

"500k dps is a full group..." Uhh wut? I was pushing over a million 2 xpacs ago on a new ranger with less than 4k aa. Could burst the mage to that as well, but he'd be tapped out after. 500k was like autoattack... what the? Also, sorry about the xp situation. I still take the blame for that. For years in EQ2 I was dominating leveling on my server, as I had a ton of alts and was always on the search for the fastest way. They released an expac that bumped the level cap, and in about 2 hours i had leveled 4 toons to the new cap thru 'Dungeoun Maker' and apparently they didnt like that. They shut down the server to squash Dungeoun Maker for that xpac, then everytime after that you had to level thru quests. I kinda stopped playing due to that. Still pop on as a casual on EQ Live every now and then, but EQ2 is utterly ruined. So feel free to throw rotten vegies at me. It'll make me feel better.

[@Twelvestrings]

Lol. It is what it is. I do 400K to 600K on trash and burn well over a million. But if you group with true casuals in casual guilds, in my experience, the DPS is much less. So it comes down to how to tune the game. I'd like a game where a couple casual players can accomplish something without spending the evening looking for a group or having to use overseer to level. I noticed on a 100 Heroic, I can easily kill yellow mobs with one toon or a partner. I'd like to see casual players similarly geared be able to do the same as they level up. I can go from 100 to 101 in about an hour. I'd like to think grinding mobs would get you to 125 in about 60 hours. A lot of casuals have trouble finding progression groups. Partly, this is because I like to see people coming back to EQ and having fun. Not giving up. Lol, but I'm not a game designer. So I'm likely missing the big picture.

[@Twelvestrings]

From 120, lol. 120 to 125 in about 60 hours of playtime.

[@hohenzollern6025]

@@Twelvestrings I put in about 6 months during the 4 armed lady expac (gawd, dont ask me to remember names, I'm old and suffer from CRS). My first toons to level (mage and SK) were slow and painful to get past 100. It was real rough on me being a fresh returning newb. Easily took me that first 3 months to get the first two up to 120. However I had experienced a bit of Ranger PLing somewhere in there, so set to leveling my ranger (to return the favor for other newbs). Once I had him up I just went nuts and got basically two accounts worth of toons to 110. After 110 it was all overseer and begging for carries in Heroics. Hated it. So most of the old timers I saw coming back I'd set them up for doing The Broken Mirror xpac at 75 and told them to fully gear up there so they wouldnt struggle like I did past 100. Then when they were geared I could help leveling a bit.

[@Twelvestrings]

Good advice. I'm trying to bring back four old timers to the game. Five of us playing from 1 on up. But on Bristlebane. I did cheat and give everyone enough Plat to buy spells. I'm hoping we'll just level at whatever pace and have fun playing a couple nights a week.

[@hohenzollern6025]

@@Twelvestrings When I returned happen to bump into my first eq friend from '99, who also happened to return at the same time. Spent a lot of time with him leveling alts and stuff together. Just the two of us could get a level 1 to 75 in about 4 hours, just letting wizo mercs kill trains. If you guys end up going that route, just make sure everyone level locks at 75. It's so worth it to run TBM and events that scale with level. Level 75 is god mode. It's mathematically impossible to die in any level scaling content with buffs. Silly really. I had to clear the vampire zone for that black pearl with my 75s while having the 120s shroud down to loot the pearls, as the 120s could not handle it, while the 75s could easily and quickly solo.

[@MrKveite1]

Hate to say i told you so but i warned you lol, xp will be basicly nothing:)

[@Twelvestrings]

You were right. 66 to 72 million hit point mobs in the initial tier one zone for nominal experience.

[@MrKveite1]

Yeah it will be a hard time for the casuals but i guess they are few and far between theese days compared to just 2-3 expansions ago. It's just too much hard work.@@Twelvestrings