Yeah, cleashe. But dude you are an idiot. Woodwork has been tested for over 2000 years and now some 20 year old knows better? Testing joint strength is not necessary? Oh my friend, although I can respect much of what you said you will yourself regret saying most of what you did in this vid in 10 years. And yes, I have trained in furniture building in Australia, England and Japan. After 45 years......new guys to timber....two things.... Do NOT take what this guy says, who apparently knows everything, for gospel. 2nd, you burn wood. You build with timber.
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
I present exactly what I'm talking about round 2.........
@georgewengler53969 ай бұрын
blah, blah, blah
@SkanMLL9 ай бұрын
pretty sure timber is made of wood
@cyberwolf66679 ай бұрын
This video is for the novice/beginner not for a furniture maker. And we are not back in time 45 years ago. It’s for the person wanting to make something instead of going to IKEA. Yes I agree long lasting furniture should use proper joinery, but beginners aren’t making furniture and glue and screws will only last 20 years, most of today youth thinks that’s an antique. You are probably a kid. Be happy, you got response to your anger issues
@slightlycrookedworkshop9 ай бұрын
Oh, it's been tested? Where are the evidence based studies?
@GeneralSulla4 ай бұрын
After 50 years of woodworking I still consider myself a beginner. This attitude is beneficial for two reasons: 1. I stay humble I can always learn something new from anyone. 2. I approach newbies with that humility. If I'm lucky, I'll learn something new too.
@dawayneduffy35099 ай бұрын
HI mate. I have been wood working for more than 35 years I fully agree with you just go for it the more you make the more you will learn. Just do it get in your shop or shed & have fun doing it.
@EveryDayGuyStuff8 ай бұрын
Amen
@Mischievous_MothАй бұрын
Man, I wish I had more space. I have a tiny little folding bench on my back patio and that's about it. lol
@thomasnourse75069 ай бұрын
I HAVE been woodworking for 35 years and you Sir are absolutely freaking right in all of this. Too many people sitting in judgement. I would have never started had it been this judgy when all I had was a hammer and handsaw.
@lesliemiller59808 ай бұрын
I like this guy! 74 year old retired professional commercial architectural millworker and custom woodworker here. Pretty smart for a youngster. Climate conditions and humidity are HUGE factors in wood selection, finishes and durability depending even on latitude location. Normal usage of wood fixtures affects finish more than anything else. I always stressed that the glue is stronger than the wood around it. Pinned mortise and tenons swell and shrink. Trust your glue to hold your joints, unless you're going for old school reality.
@MatthewFrey-kc7vf2 ай бұрын
During one of the extremely busy cycles in the 2006 era I installed a set of white oak stairs in a house that was framed before the cold weather and finished to sheetrock before heating. The exposed framing wood was sweating when I put my stringers in. By the time I set my treads they had absorbed so much moisture they had to practically be beat into place with a sledge hammer. First and only house I ever worked in where they didnt acclimate before going to finish. I can only imagine how the oak flooring went in.
@JosephSastreShowsYou3 ай бұрын
I only use boards with happy faces at the end. I see a sad face, I throw it back. I don't need that negativity in my woodshop.
@EyeshineStudios3 ай бұрын
😂 underrated comment 💀
@bobhamulak3646Ай бұрын
Oh man! Don't you know those pieces are exactly what they need on the other side of the world!
@mark2talk2u26 күн бұрын
But what do Australian woodworkers do???
@bobhamulak364626 күн бұрын
@@mark2talk2u Don't you get it? All the Aussies get the upside-down boards we Americans don't want because the 'cup' is facing down, while you Australians send us Americans all your upside-down boards! That way everybody's got "happy" boards to work with! 😊 = American boards 😢 = Australian boards
@chrismartinez70379 ай бұрын
Bonus tip when you have a few different tape measures which ever one you grab to start the project stick with that one for the whole project most tapes end hook have different slack in them so if you switch tapes in the middle of your project your measurements will be off 😊
@chandlerhanson86959 ай бұрын
This one! Not enough people worry about this
@emgriffiths97439 ай бұрын
My dad accidently cut a tape measure with the RAS, he cut it down, re riveted the hook and went on. I was in his house, measured up for some wood, went home and cut it, only to find everything was six inches too long !!! when he saw that he mentioned the tape, he got a new one from me right after that as I threw that one out
@funkypunkypine9 ай бұрын
I learned this the hard way. I kept wondering why the hell my measurements where never quite the same from one moment to the next. Don't use 5 different flippin' measuring tools! 🤣
@woodrowsmith34009 ай бұрын
I worked as lead man in a shop that manufactured custom frames for grocery stores. After a couple weeks of messed up frames, I took a look at tapes. All three workers had their own personal tapes, and each one was just a little bit outside, to paraphrase Mr Baseball. So...I went to our supplier and asked for a standard case lot of one particular tape measure, with the thought that not only would we be using the 'same' tape, but from the same manufacturing lot. Measurement errors dropped dramatically. Just sayin'...
@Calligraphybooster9 ай бұрын
Use a knife to mark (5-10x more precise) and a pecil to indicate on which side to cut. Or write an O over the knife cut to find it again 😉.
@ClippedCoin9 ай бұрын
Tip for the pencil trick with sanding. Not only do i use a thicker pencil, but i also use the side of the graphite rather than the tip itself. Not only does this prevent the pencil from dipping into the grain it has a nice side benefit of actually sharpening the pencil point
@90FormulaE89 ай бұрын
I started using a carpenter's pencil for similar reasons. Seems to work pretty good for me thus far.
@AwesomeActsOfRandom9 ай бұрын
My theory when i started doing this is that you want it to dip in a little bit, that way if you have and deep scratches from lower grits you know you're getting them out. Would that be wrong?
@nolansprojects28409 ай бұрын
@@AwesomeActsOfRandomnot wrong, but you do have to be careful that you are making divots, like was stated in the video. If you only have a few deep scratches and you sand in that very small area to get it out, then you will have a dip in the surface in that spot. I guess best practice would be to continue drawing on the surface until all the marks are gone, that way if you do have deep scratches, they’ll be removed while maintaining a relatively flat surface. The fastest way around this is a hand plane, thickness planer, or a jointer before sanding, but those are expensive. Haha
@tjdewolff51049 ай бұрын
You smartass!
@BigHenFor9 ай бұрын
@@nolansprojects2840You can flatten a surface using a sander and a straight edge. The Honest Carpenter channel did a demo showing how to do it.
@JCWren9 ай бұрын
My motto is measure twice, cut once, go back to Home Depot again.
@restezlameme9 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@Jamessansome9 ай бұрын
I have the short term memory of a gold fish so measure once, forget, measure twice, forget, then find a piece of paper, draw & dimension a little plan, shove it in my pocket and forget it's there. Spend 5 mins looking for it, draw & dimension another little plan then finally go and cut some stuff up (not before I get distracted doing something else though)......
@imyaaniggua9 ай бұрын
Cut off five times and still too short
@AlfredoDelaMadrid9 ай бұрын
@@Jamessansome I think we have the same brain, i swear i had this happen to me last week exactly
@davidclaudy48229 ай бұрын
I told my father when I was 14. “I cut this board three times and it is still to short”. 😂😮😮
@SouthernStyleDIY9 ай бұрын
Sneaking up on cuts is fantastic advice! Definitely something I wish I had learned sooner
@dc853379 ай бұрын
On the Glue and Sawdust - the trick there is to STAIN the Saw Dust then add glue to help blend in the repair. I do that all the time and works much better as glue itself prevents the stain from penetrating the wood fibers. After glue/sawdust then sanding, the exposed wood fibers do pick up some stain, but not like staining it first. My 2 cents.
@pong90002 ай бұрын
Similarly the sawdust putty can have varnish as a binder instead of glue. The resulting putty will be sticky enough and dry pretty tough. It'll finish a bit lighter than varnished end grain. I often do this for gaps between floor boards prior to sanding.
@MatthewFrey-kc7vf2 ай бұрын
As a finish stair builder putting stain grade finished stairs using the glue and sawdust method was not acceptable. We used wood putty that would take a stain. Best case scenario was to let the painter fill nail holes and put the putty on plugs we used to install posts and hand rails. Most discrete builders wouldnt allow us to even do that. They wanted the painter to deal with it to maximize the overall consistency.
@matthewnelson52939 ай бұрын
That's awesome that you made something with your kids just to prove the point. I hope that beginner didn't just quit. The advice out here is crazy!
@c.blakerockhart11289 ай бұрын
Im a Ryobi user. I have over 40 tools that can all share the same batteries. Some of them are over 25 years old. Ryobi has kept the same battery platform for the 18 volt tools since they first started making 18 v tools. Great Video.
@b4ux1t3-tech9 ай бұрын
Additionally, my dad bought a ryobi drill when he and my mom moved in together, 40 years ago now. It's been used at least a few times a month for forty years, and it was _never_ treated well. It's still kicking. It was the first drill I learned on, and it's the one he brought to help me put up a fence at our place a couple years ago. Ryobi is "not as good as other tools", objectively speaking, but, geez, that's like saying "man, my corolla isn't as good as a corvette." It'll get you where you need to go just fine. Side note: their 40v line (mowers, edgers, etc) is pretty great. The large battery with the mid tier mower does my half acre lot in one charge, and I picked up their charger/battery generator thing and it's gotten us through a few power outages. :)
@c.blakerockhart11289 ай бұрын
@@b4ux1t3-tech I've got several of the older tools and quite a few of the newer ones. 2 different sizes of weedeaters 3 different type of vacuums.(handheld and shopvac style ) Several different type of flashlights. A small mower, leaf blower, etc..... All take the exact same batteries. Ryobi makes around 200+ tools in the 18v+ family of tools. My personal opinion is that you just CAN'T BEAT THEM. I don't care what other people use. My money is well spent on Ryobi.
@heatshield9 ай бұрын
I found a Ryobi 18 Impact in the gritty ice bank of city road snowplows in my front yard a couple years ago. It had been there most of the winter and looked like it had been pushed down the road in front of a plow for a long time. Probably over a couple days. I wasn’t expecting anything so I gav it the double tap and it tried going! Battery out, flushed it with hot water, dried it with a shop vac, flushed it with alcohol, waited for a charger in the mail, tested and charged the battery. . . It’s good as new and my go to for plenty of work. Started buying stuff compatible with the battery, figuring it would eventually give up and make me get a pair of new ones but it’s still going strong too.
@c.blakerockhart11289 ай бұрын
@@heatshield They are pretty tough. You can get older ones from the flea market or yard/garage sales really cheap. The older ones are blue. The battery will fit and work them as well. As far as I know your story is the best testament for Ryobi. 😎
@heatshield9 ай бұрын
@@c.blakerockhart1128 yep mine is blue, red badge, white lettering, neon green motor direction push-through switch. I asked around at the neighbors and down the street some, into neighbors I didn’t know, to find the owner. I think it was tumbled quite a way. LOL
@PorkChopSammie9 ай бұрын
I agree with everything you just said. For me “measure twice cut once” was always just another way of saying “double check your dimensions before you start ripping planks”. This content is hands down one of the more useful bits of woodworking advice I’ve seen on KZbin. 👍
@jerrynorton10809 ай бұрын
Never switch betweem measuring tapes in a project. Theres a video out there showing why...
@roblawrence77819 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree. My sentiments exactly!
@davidhawley11328 ай бұрын
The problem with m2c1 is that you have a brain f@rt when designing, and you then confidentially and accurately cut the wrong size.
@brianw497 ай бұрын
So true, for me the “measure twice cut once” really comes into play is more when you’re installing finish woodwork, rather than constructing it
@pong90002 ай бұрын
30 years on I'm marking direct measurements wherever possible, even framing a shed. Mostly mark with a utility knife. I find it faster and simpler than a tape, to set the board up and nick or score it with the knife from my pocket.
@LegionOfWeirdos9 ай бұрын
I wouldn't know why pocket holes would be insufficient for a table when most people in the world are using knockdown stuff held together with janky little Ikea fasteners and getting by just fine.
@kaufmanat15 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly! I remember getting into woodworking because I was putting together some IKEA furniture thinking, "I could make something stronger than this for much less money!" Turns out, I was right. Then I went down the woodworking rabbit hole only to learn why everything I made was trash... And yet everything I made was better looking, stronger, and cost less than the furniture I was using it to replace! It's all too easy to get in to a hobby only lose sight of the original reasons you got into a hobby to begin with. My wife still likes the furniture I make. I still enjoy making it. And we still save a bunch of money on each piece. Still a win win win.
@ThekiBoran5 ай бұрын
I personally wouldn't use pocket holes for a table. If I didn't have a domino I'd use one of those handy dowel jigs, they've gotten really good the last few years. Buy once cry once.
@carpo7194 ай бұрын
@@ThekiBorantechnically dominoes and biscuits are only there to line up the wood until the glue dries, I have never seen glue fail at a joint if it's properly applied. In fact it's stronger than the wood itself
@tomsenft74344 ай бұрын
Ikea fasteners are designed for knock-down furniture. Pocket hole screws are designed for low-stress joinery, like cabinet frames or casework.
@Crayma8002 ай бұрын
Well said 👍
@MurraydeLues6 ай бұрын
I worked in a custom timber door shop. When sanding thru the grits, we mostly used wax crayons for marking. Every stick got marked. Never had an issue of contamination. Little trick for taking a piece down to size. Lower the stationary saw blade down, push the piece of wood up against the blade making it deflect. Lift the blade up, start the saw and you will shave a very small amount off. Rinse and repeat until the desired fit. Enjoyed this video. I have been working with wood for over 40 years. Everyone developes their own styles. What works for some, won't for others. Keep 'em coming.
@lukegoffkat5 ай бұрын
The wax doesn't build up in the sandpaper? I would think it does.
@MurraydeLues5 ай бұрын
@@lukegoffkat Been used for decades without problems in commercial joinery shops with random orbits or large (1300mm wide) 3 belt industrial sanders. Resin in the timber is more likely to cause problems. Surprising but true.
@danbrownlee44009 ай бұрын
“Sometimes it’s good, Sometimes it’s shit.” I am still laughing at that one. Its perfect! Its gonna be my mantra this week :)
@rickrudd9 ай бұрын
That was awesome!
@stefanformgren49789 ай бұрын
yes, general gattuzo is the goat :)
@oscar86957 ай бұрын
Same heren! LMAO It completely caught me off guard. 😂
@uechikid80889 ай бұрын
As someone that has dabbled with woodworking over the years but never took the time to get very good, but I’m ready to get to work, I appreciate your common sense approach. Thanks.
@woodworkingnook9 ай бұрын
Great video! When I bought my first drill I had people inform me that I bought a "crappy" Ridgid. I thought, great, I will buy a better one as soon as this one dies. Over 10 years later, it still has yet to die... I was really hoping I could get a new drill.
@Can_Driver9 ай бұрын
The trap of a temporary solution that becomes....what how long has it been like this?
@stanleyhape84279 ай бұрын
@@Can_Driver Nothing is more permanent than a temporary fix😁
@wilburrrrr7429 ай бұрын
Before retiring, I was a tradesman. I got fed up with my chargers getting heisted (intentionally or not). So I figured that if I went with an unpopular brand, that would cease. Phased out my Milwaukee stuff and went full on Ridgid. Theft problem ended and I'm satisfied with all my tools except my orbital sander. (The dust collection sucks and it tends to want to coat you in dust unless you hold it backwards. )
@aerialrescuesolutions32779 ай бұрын
That is funny. I still have my first drill too. 30 years later, it's still working fine.
@rocketfamilykml25289 ай бұрын
First measuring tape I got was hot pink, 40 years later it still hasn't been swiped.
@kimstrong74349 ай бұрын
OMG. Are you for real???? Someone who speaks 'common sense' is unheard of today. THANK YOU!
@CandidZulu8 ай бұрын
Saving knots was clever AF, I'm gonna safe all knots from now and make a piece with thousands of knots in it!
@ZaihanismeАй бұрын
Thousands?! That's knot cool!
@joejoe-lb6bwАй бұрын
I wonder if I can save money at the big box store by just buying the knots.
@mark2talk2u26 күн бұрын
I like wood with holes and voids. I’m going to save them all and make a piece of wood with a thousand voids.
@JeffreyMoon19749 ай бұрын
Well done, John. I especially applaud you for the point regarding the beginner woodworker getting not so helpful advice from so-called "experts." There are several levels of woodworking that blur together, and making something with pocket hole joinery is done even by people like me who have been doing this for decades. Being able to say "I made that" yields a satisfaction I still enjoy today.
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
Your last sentence is the most important and sadly gets lost in all the noise. There are few things more empowering when starting out than that feeling of accomplishment.
@paint19569 ай бұрын
Been woodworking for about 35 years and I'll say you nailed it. Sad to say I fell for a few of these myself. Where was the internet (and you) when I needed it.
@DP-ol1wh9 ай бұрын
Yea but you got to live in a normal world haha... I'll trade you my internet for your normalcy sir! : )
@SeaFanStudio9 ай бұрын
"Not shitty boomerangs" That made me laugh out loud Jon. Good stuff.
@hoosierbuilds60689 ай бұрын
lol same
@RFC35149 ай бұрын
Best present-day New Zealand post-punk band, and some might say they're even better than the Six Pistols.
@williammaxwell19199 ай бұрын
Ditto
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
Thank you thank you!
@SmallSpoonBrigade9 ай бұрын
The issue with that is that it ignores how the force flows through the material. My parents house had a corner completely rotted out before it got repaired and you would have never noticed it without inspecting it without the dry wall on. If that had been the only part of the wall carrying the load, it would have collapsed, but being just a small section, it barely sagged. (Obviously, that's something to fix immediately if it's happening, but it's probably not going to lead to a small house collapsing)
@howardcohen27678 ай бұрын
You are not an idiot. I appreciate your video. You're good at identifying the root cause of problems and the most significant factors that affect projects.
@craptree9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I run a woodworking manufacturing company and the number of videos and tips online that are either absolutely wrong or are for those people who are happy to take hours just to fashion one fancy joint is absolutely crazy. We need more videos like these!
@gtwolfe1009 ай бұрын
As a custom furniture maker for over 45 years, it is nice to hear some solid advice. I would add 2 (of many) additional simple items. First is what many people fail to mention about pocket hole assembly (personally I use a domino whenever possible because of both the strength and the perfect alignment of the parts) ; unless you are making a rustic looking item, definitely clamp your parts when shooting the screws. Pocket holes, because they are angled, will pull the faces of the joined pieces out of alignment unless you have them firmly clamped. The second item is if you plan to make projects out of expensive solid hard woods and want good long term results, invest in a moisture meter. You can get a decent one for as little as $40 and it is a solid investment. I have pulled boards from stacks at my local hardwood supplier where two nearly identical boards from the same stack has over a 10% spread in the moisture readings. Using those together (or even using the board that was at over 10% at all) is an invitation to failure.
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
Great tips!
@robertpearson87989 ай бұрын
Measure twice, cut once is a better tip for carpentry than finer woodworking. Like you I find referential measurement, cutting to fit, and sneaking up on dimension to be more precise.
@HeliRy9 ай бұрын
Great stuff! As a newbie myself, I always have to remember not to chase perfection. It doesn’t exist. There is nothing wrong with “good enough”.
@ness-ee9 ай бұрын
Some of my best pieces feature happy accidents.
@michaelharvey-nb6vw9 ай бұрын
HeilRy, I respectfully can not agree, but on a detail of nuance, not of fundamental opposition to your viewpoint. Personally, I have come to the conclusion that perfection is a valid goal and an honourable objective, in all manner of things. From cutting the lawn, to cutting framing studs, installing vapour barrier during a reno, preparing food to cook with uniform dimensions, working on a bicycle or choosing an outfit that matches well with complimentary colours. It doesn't matter what I do, I want it to be perfect. The difference between this compulsive (possibly obsessive) objective of perfection is the acknowledgement that while perfection is a valid goal, there will always be losses or deficiencies that subtract from 100%. I call it the 97% rule, because that is what I am willing to accept as a viable outcome. I still aim for 100%, but will accept slightly less, because being too fixated on a perfect outcome detracts from the overall joy of any activity. This is what keeps me from throwing away (repurposing) every board in a fence, or just generally being unhappy with much of what I accomplish every day. If no one but I can see the 3% deficiency and it does not inhibit the functionality of what has been produced, I have learned to be totally satisfied with the outcome, and proud of my work. After all, if you are performing what I call "hand work", on a one-off basis, it is the inevitable outcome. If ultimate precision were the only acceptable outcome, every single item would be produced with a CNC out of uniform manufactured materials, and specifically NOT what the author of this vid identifies in the phrase "wood is always moving". (what a gift of a description!). I hope this help you to be proud of you work, and to always keep learning!
@ness-ee9 ай бұрын
@@michaelharvey-nb6vw you will never make anything artistic
@bonesrhodes37629 ай бұрын
--- does that "good enuff" apply both when you are buying as well as selling ? I suspect it's a 'one way' attitude
@ness-ee9 ай бұрын
@@michaelharvey-nb6vw you will never make anything artistic
@diy-hyrum98429 ай бұрын
Hey, I just want to thank you on this point you made about which tools to buy. You're correct. I'd like to addmy top four those looking at tools. 1st Look at the range of tools a brand has to offer and make sure the brand covers what you need. 2nd stick with 1 brand as much as possible with the battery powered tools, you don't want to have to buy several different brands of batteries and chargers because that's the biggest cost for tools. 2nd.B if you're buying power corded tools, the brand doesn't matter. 3rd, don't buy power tools from pawn shops. 4th You get what you pay for. If you're a hobbyist, ryobi and harbor freight should be good enough to get you by for small projects. But if you're going to take it serious or this is for your trade in carpentry/ construction, don't go cheap. It's worth the extra cost when you need that tool everyday for the next decade.
@davidveater37116 ай бұрын
I built a really nice dresser for my daughter with glue and staples. Still works fine today 3yrs later so far. I routed in the shelves on one side and the whole bottom so she has a couple cubby shelves on the side of her dresser. I built it out of beach wood.
@despairasite9 ай бұрын
Thanks for calling B.S. on two of my favorite mouth-breather gallery topics: Joint strength and tool brands. My first media console was assembled with every 'wrong' technique possible... butt joint screws, pocket screws, glued end grain... but it looks great on the outside and years later it hasn't imploded and it's still doing a great job of sitting on the floor and being furniture. On the tool subject my Dad has used and abused an old Ryobi cordless 5pc kit for years (remember when they were blue?) and guess what... they still get the job done.
@c.blakerockhart11289 ай бұрын
The new batteries have the same platform. As long as the voltage is the same, a new battery WILL work in an old drill/saw/or other. But... The new Chargers Won't work for older batteries.
@coreytohme98619 ай бұрын
I'm a beginner woodworker, but am a full time husband, dad, and domestic repairman. Regardless of what tool brand I buy I will eventually wear it out. However I would have gotten enough years and use out of it that it really didn't matter which color tool I chose.
@c.blakerockhart11289 ай бұрын
@@coreytohme9861 The reason that I chose Ryobi is because I can buy one new tool and get a battery that will work in an old yard sale / garage sale / or flea market tool that only cost $3-$10. For that price you can afford to get several more tools than you can with other brands that continuously change the battery platform so you have to buy new batteries for the new tool.
@disqusrubbish54679 ай бұрын
@@coreytohme9861 It will take you a looong time to wear out good tools.
@joe524289 ай бұрын
Good point on tool brand. My Hyper Tough Walmart power tools might not be as nice looking as my Milwaukee or Rigid tools but they all are 2/3 less and are still running strong. I originally bought the Walmart brand because I did not want to damage the high price Milwaukee or Rigid tools while working with tile and cement. Seems I can not wear these cheap tools out while the Milwaukee Sawzall died cutting down our metal swing set. No worries though a $45 Hyper Tough saved the day.
@user-sb3wh3dd4v9 ай бұрын
Dear LINCOLN ST., As the son of a world renown violin repairman I have over 50 years of woodworking experience. I can affirm everything you've said in this video is true, sound advice.
@HenkjanDeKaasboer9 ай бұрын
I love how you're giving 'sound advice' as the son of a violin repairman
@mailleweaver9 ай бұрын
Violins do make the best sound.
@illugi569 ай бұрын
@@HenkjanDeKaasboer he also says "I have over 50 years of woodworking experience" that is a lot of years
@JarvisTastic9 ай бұрын
@@mailleweaverunderrated comment
@disqusrubbish54679 ай бұрын
Did your dad alternate 2x4's on the violins? Yes, it's a joke...
@DaivG9 ай бұрын
People who go online to rant about all the things brought up in this video aren’t looking for logical responses to explain their flawed advice, they’re looking for others to affirm themselves and feed their ego. No amount of great videos like this will stop the inane responses from happening, unfortunately.
@ShuRugal9 ай бұрын
That's true, but what it will do is give those of us who actually want to learn something a place to do it instead of getting stuck in an echo chamber.
@justinharper69099 ай бұрын
Pretty ignorant post, don´t you think?
@ShuRugal9 ай бұрын
@@justinharper6909 seems more to me like a comment borne out of a great deal of observation of the behavior of ignorant people
@geh35059 ай бұрын
Great video !
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
@@justinharper6909 you're so ironic without realizing it that its...ironic
@jonathanwestrum93455 ай бұрын
Your comments are tool brand are spot on. When you are just starting out, the tool brand you chose should be whatever you can afford. There's no need to invest in pro grade tools unless you are doing pro level work and you can always upgrade later on if you decide to.
@Harrier428617 күн бұрын
The Adam Savage rule - get the cheap tool, if you break it, you use it enough to need the expensive tool. Just don't apply it to anything holding weight above your head.
@remcodejong8033Ай бұрын
Do what you can with what you've got where you are
@brendanlangord16879 ай бұрын
Thanks for helping reaffirm I'm not a total idiot in the shop. Simple, logical explanations to some great debates. I've always looked the overall integrity of a project and not just one single joint. And your best advice, pick your favorite color, and go with that for a battery system, brilliant. Great video, thanks for sharing.
@joelw62159 ай бұрын
I’ve been woodworking for 120 yrs. And when I finish my tops I can’t see them bc my eyesight is completely gone. So I feel them with my whiskers
@tommooe45249 ай бұрын
An honest man
@heidi222099 ай бұрын
I've seen your work. Its amazing.
@BillyCarsley9 ай бұрын
This man's name? Albert Gretzky.
@tbelding9 ай бұрын
@@BillyCarsley - So, his son was a hockey player - Wayne? That's a man that could swing some wood.
@Mortalis29 ай бұрын
Regardless of what comments you receive, your advice is sound and practical. Having started my woodworking journey over 40 years ago, I've personally encountered every one of the mentioned subjects in this video and I can attest that your advice is genuine. The one I suggestion I've seen that I really don't like is the wood glue and sawdust. Whenever I've tried that I've found the concoction ends up setting itself before I get to use it. Maybe I was using the incorrect glue but the glue started to dry too fast. Your info on glued boards cupping, as you mention, is spot on. I glued up a table top of mahogany 4/4 boards using the alternating method and that tabletop ended up at 3/8" thick as I continuously battled the top cupping after each sanding. I eventually decided to seal BOTH sides after the final flattening and viola! the top stopped cupping. Thanks for your videos. I enjoy everyone you've made.
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
Much appreciated! and thanks for watching
@ScreaminBaby5 ай бұрын
You're spot on, all good tips! I built a garden stool for my Mom years ago when I didn't have many tools, using nothing but glue on butt joints... not a screw or nail or dowel in it. She plops it in the dirt and pulls weeds, so it's not sitting flat and takes on a good bit of tension and twisting and she's not a 'small' woman either, it's been left outside in the rain accidentally but just gets thrown in the garage normally and years later is just fine and still looks good too. I say build it however you can with what you have.
@DonTruman2 ай бұрын
Built a bookcase last month. I've built countless basic wood projects over the years (I'm an old guy) but now that I'm retired I spent many hours getting tips from pros in videos. So with this bookcase I stepped up my game, a lot. The end result is nicer than anything I've built before, but many mistakes were made along the way, and that will surely help with the next project. A big challenge is developing skills and tools to fit my budget, workshop space, and desires (i.e. how much effort I want to put into it--I have many other interests too). So I resonate with what was said in this video. I'm not looking to become a master craftsman, I just want to get to where I can build simple projects and am pleased with the end-result. Probably won't get into hardwoods, will stick with pine because it's so much cheaper and easier to work with. And am looking to develop techniques that make it easier to hide the flaws in the wood and the lower precision tools I'm using (i.e., nothing but hand tools). I'll keep learning from master woodworkers, but apply it in ways that work for me.
@MichaelCampbell019 ай бұрын
"Ignore those cranky gatekeepers" is a great title for a complete youtube channel. Love this.
@matthewevansteush64619 ай бұрын
I was impressed too,life in general is full of gatekeepers,I think it was Michael Faraday who said "there is nothing more disconcerting than a man who thinks he is right"
@JohnWaclawski9 ай бұрын
100% correct. I'm a firm believer that there is always more than one way to do something. The cranky gatekeepers think their way is the only right way and that will usually put me off of what they are trying to describe.
@campbellpaul9 ай бұрын
To challenge is one way we learn from history@@JohnWaclawski
@staLkerhu9 ай бұрын
DIY audio groups are WAY worse that that...
@ColmGallagher-DoveDev9 ай бұрын
I have to say to the "Measure Twice Cut Once" being replaced by sneaking up on a cut with the internal piece; You are still practicing what is meant by rule/law in that statement, you're in keeping with the spirit of "Measure Twice Cut Once" when you're sneaking up on the cut. I'm not even a hobby joiner but I use this saying as a reminder of due diligence in my field/trade.
@MikePierce-u2p9 ай бұрын
Except that in reality, he's measuring (presumably) twice and cutting AT LEAST twice. So, it's really not the same, but can save aggravation later.
@michelsavoie69719 ай бұрын
When I build fence gates with boards, I find that I have to alternate the crowns to keep the door somewhat straight, but it doesn't need to be flat like a counter top or table top. Good video.
@2nd-place9 ай бұрын
I've been using the same Black and Decker cordless drill for 11 years. Used it on everything around the house building a ton of storage shelves in the basement, used it to build workbenches and frame in the non-load bearing walls in my basement (the horror!) using high strength deck screws and build my kids treehouse and build numerous planters and benches for our backyard across two houses and for building tons of store-bought furniture. I even tried using it as a hammer drill a few times by hitting the back quickly with a mallet (did not work well) and it still works great today. I have their yard tools that share the same battery and those work great too. I've never understood the hate. Outside of trying to hammer the drill to speed up concrete drilling, I don't abuse my tools and generally take care of them. And they take care of me. I've really gotten into woodworking in recent years and consider myself to be between a hobbyist and a professional. I also have some Dewalt tools, some Porter-Cable tools, and they all work great. The only tool that I have that sucks is a Skil table saw that is almost 30 years old that my grandpa gave me, and I'm going to replace it with a Saw Stop later this year because it scares the living hell out of me and is so bent out of square. Also you know what's the best bang for your buck value? Wen tools. Their larger power tools are very affordable and good quality.
@STEAMerBear5 ай бұрын
In 2000 I built a huge, beautiful, solid oak round dining table (and it was finished on all surfaces) while we were stationed in Alabama. The Army advised us against moving it to Korea due to the size/space issues there, so it was stored in a much drier place in California for over four years. When we got back in 2005 it had dried significantly and was a totally ruined $4500 investment (in woodworking experience). The original wood was high-quality red oak that was supposedly properly dried. My mistake was literally different (indoor) weather. In my opinion, you should store properly seasoned wood l-for a year if you can-IN THE TARGET CLIMATE before you do anything else with it. Doing that has required some home weather proofing, but my shop is now a fully climate controlled space at least 90% of the time. When the weather is nice I do open it up when I’m working. I also pop open a window whenever the dust collection vacuum is running because the beast tends to suck all the comfy HVAC air out of our house otherwise. A typical hobbyist can store some wood in a closet, under a bed, behind a sofa, etc. and will notice it finds a new normal size and shape in a month or two after coming inside from the non-climate controlled wood yard where it was purchased. (Most such wood was in transit from who knows where not too long before you bought it.) Let it rest where it’s gonna live before you build with it.
@jeffrzentkowski2307Ай бұрын
Home Depot always asks, did you find everything you need? I reply I'll know when I get back home.
@hkhatri12Ай бұрын
That sounds about right. Every trip is usually followed by a couple more because I forgot some small item or random object that I definitely ‘need’.
@hifinsword9 ай бұрын
Good advice on that last tip. Marking instead of measuring is usually faster, more accurate and easier.
@earljtharp9 ай бұрын
Excellent advice ! Been woodworking for 35 years. You are 100% correct.
@jackspeer21272 ай бұрын
this is what a breath of fresh air feels like. been hobby WW about 2 years and it didnt take long for me to figure out that some YT makers are saying weird sh?t to chase clicks. But as a newbie it is still hard to figure out who is telling the truth and who isnt. This channel has no axe to grind so I believe him.
@stillfishing4sheep6 ай бұрын
The best tool is the one you can afford to have. With out tools you can beg, borrow, or own all you have is a bunch of UFO’s aka un- finished objects. I believe is the moto of this Channel, so I am subscribing 👍
@davidm26459 ай бұрын
All sage advise! Another excellent video - thank you sir! I use the pencil sanding method. For the pencil I use one of those really big flat carpenter pencils - seems to work well for me. One thing I always try to do when I am finishing up removing the pencil lines is - wait for it - always finish your sanding in the direction of the wood grain, never at an angle to it.
@faithful4519 ай бұрын
Same. I also sometimes like to use a piece of chalk - even easier and quicker than a carpenter's pencil. Not always suitable though - sometimes the chalk doesn't stick enough and a pencil is required.
@scottf7259 ай бұрын
Pick a color you like and run with it!!! Probably the best advice ever!! I've been woodworking for 20 years, I use ryobi and have never had a problem with their battery platform.
@pjdambra8 ай бұрын
All great tips. Couldn't agree more. I'm 74 and been working home shop projects for as long as I can remember back into my fathers shop in the 50s. I still have a lot of his old tools that have been pasted to him by his father. Thanks for carrying on.
@ShuRugal8 ай бұрын
How did you unpaste the tools from your father? And why did your grandfather paste tools to your father? That seems like it would make things difficult.
@JC-op4co8 ай бұрын
I have a low shelving unit that I glued together 20 years ago in high school shop class with basic 90 degree glue joints in a white oak frame inset with plywood panels and while I know it isn't the best idea I have stood on it several times, including when I was kind of fat. Thing is solid as a tank.
@MountainEagle775 ай бұрын
I have made a ton of furniture using pocket holes. Works fine.
@rexseven69079 ай бұрын
I have some blur Ryobi tools from 25 years ago that came NiCad batteries. They still work and use the newest batteries. For the hobbyist, Ryobi is a good choice. For shading with a pencil to help sanding, I like to use a 5.6mm mechanical pencil. Big, soft lead shades well and you never need to sharpen. It doesn't break much either.
@nolansprojects28409 ай бұрын
I use milwuakee tools and absolutely love them, but I also do a lot more than wood working. I bought my dad a bunch of ryobi tools when his 30 year old black and decker tools were finally dying and honestly, the only difference I noticed was the sound and torque. The Ryobi has slightly less torque, but it felt more comfortable to use. If I lost all my milwuakee tools somehow, I’d probably restart with Ryobi, mostly for their dedication to battery consistency. But yea, all cordless tools these days are comparable. Motors and batteries are getting cheaper and more powerful, so the main difference is form factor.
@Krmpfpks9 ай бұрын
I started out woodworking a few months ago and I am still a beginner. But I bought a lot of tools and spent a lot of time on overkill joinery based on recommendations. Half laps look easy and are very strong but they can add days to a project ! As a weekend warrior the feeling that you cut a lot of half laps or joints but you didn’t finish the project makes you think. I have a pocket hole jig but pocket holes don’t help with alignment, my wood always moves when I screw in the pocket holes. I use teak and it splits visibly 1 out of 4 pocket holes. So I bought a dual spindle doweling cutter. Best $100 bucks spent: you can do exactly what the KZbinrs do with their festool domino, just with dowels instead of dominos. Now I dowel + glue everything together and call it a day. Getting stuff finished in a weekend is more important than following some ideology. Maybe I will think differently when I have more experience.
@jk_229 ай бұрын
I wish I’d have invested in a nice dowel jig before a pocket hole jig
@Krmpfpks9 ай бұрын
@@jk_22 I agree, if I do pocket holes I do dowels for alignment, but mostly I use dowels alone. Be ware, there are some expensive dowel jigs out there, you don’t need them. A drill and those spiky things you can put into the dowel hole to transfer the location of the dowel to the other part is enough. Or get a dual spindle doweling machine.
@jonmhayden8 ай бұрын
OMG, the tip about using a large pencil vs a mechanical pencil for marking before sanding was awesome. I'm always using a mechanical pencil and I get so frustrated because I sand and sand and sand and the pencil mark never goes away. Thanks!
@dacianuscatu5 ай бұрын
I have been working with wood for more than 30 years. This guy is right
@inspiringbuilds9 ай бұрын
Great advise and video John. Pocket hole joinery and wood glue is strong (great for beginners or any experience level) and most people underestimate the strength of wood glue alone!
@Joethetoolguy9 ай бұрын
Loved this, Im a believer in the end result versus the method
@laredoshane8 ай бұрын
I’ve been doing woodwork about 40 years professionally, and everything you said was spot on.
@kennethbosley19158 ай бұрын
Per 2:30. The advise I give my kids and friends is simply this; Different tools are made by different manufacturers (fewer than there are brands, but there ARE a few different manufacturers. So choose the brand you can afford AND which best fits your hand. A comfortable fit is the best indicator that you will use the tools properly and do a good job as you learn the basics.
@generessler6282Ай бұрын
Nice discussion. You're a natural teacher. You're right about joint strength until the furniture is thrown on a moving van and hauled to a different part of the country or world. As a military guy (and woodworker) for 36 years, done that. Otoh, my very strong impression is that the raw strength of the joint is less important than its ability to keep functioning after the glue has failed. Imo _that's_ why dovetails get all the street cred for durability. Pinned or wedged M&T are in the same vein. We have some 200+ yo pieces with everything dovetailed. Many have failed glue, but the pieces still look and work fine. Of course pocket screws are perfect for built-ins that never go anywhere :-).
@jameshodgins19379 ай бұрын
Great advice. I see the wood glue and sawdust advice all the time for small imprefections and cracks. I always use CA Glue or Epoxy. It just works better and finishes a lot better as well. Thanks for sharing.
@antcommander13679 ай бұрын
Small tip. Don't use epoxy glue with oak, tannins in the oak will affect epoxy. leaving you with messy goop, that has to clean out of wood surface. Learn that in hard way
@tecktonic889 ай бұрын
Wow, real advice, instant sub
@deemdoubleu9 ай бұрын
On the measure twice cut once point, I think it is worth pointing out that it is good to make a job stick for certain jobs where the measurement is made once on the stick and cut marks made. You then use this as a reference on all the workpieces so they are all the same even if your first measurement was slightly out of what you intended.
@rickyserna17349 ай бұрын
I measure the same way. I learn that we all are fast so I start practicing to slow myself down by measuring more. To be AWARE of myself to practice quality and enjoy what I'm doing, with excellent results.
@scottwilson66149 ай бұрын
I worked for 40 years in the woodworking industry. In every 8-hour shift we made 10,000 glue joints producing solid hardwood panels for high end furniture factories. The argument for alternating growth rings when using properly kiln dried lumber is ridiculous. Can you imagine solid cherry table tops with alternating heartwood and sapwood staves. We would have been run out of business. Once wood is properly dried, it is stable in typical home and office settings and as long as construction of the furniture allows movement, and finish is applied equally to both sides….no problem. So you are 100% right. The premise for alternating staves originates in the manufacture of veneer over solid poplar edge-glued core panels. The poplar in these core panels was typically only air dried. Since the cores were being veneered, color matching staves did not apply. So yes, alternating growth rings was necessary to create a flat core panel.
@wildpat039 ай бұрын
AHAHA! Gosh, I just love this one... It reminds me of some "discussions" I've had with other pro chefs in kitchens I worked. All the lore and fiction when simple physics or chemistry just say the opposite, like adding oil to the pasta cooking water...
@mrcryptozoic8179 ай бұрын
An odd place to talk about pasta water...but The reason to do that is solely to prevent boil-over
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
Serious statement. Do I add the oil or not? I just assumed thats what you do
@wildpat039 ай бұрын
@@mrcryptozoic817 Yeah, heard that one too... Except that the only things preventing water to boil over is the heat intensity under the pot and the level of water in said pot.
@wildpat039 ай бұрын
@@Lincolnstww It's just wasting good oil for varied dubious reasons IMHO. Best for pasta is just water and salt, 10g of salt per liter of cold water, about a third of seawater salt content. Give a 1 minute boil to the water to diminish the chlorine and other compounds that can evaporate.
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
@@wildpat03thanks!
@liamschager26099 ай бұрын
Love the ethos of just getting people into woodworking and not worrying about joint strength and tool types. I used screws for my coffee table and thankfully it can hold the weight of one cup of coffee 😂
@ryanketrow36029 ай бұрын
but can it hold the weight of the bottle of whiskey as well? what about your feet?
@nursenightmare62459 ай бұрын
7:33 had me dying 😂
@adamkhan72342 ай бұрын
Came here to comment the same. And I'm watching at 2x speed so caught me completely off guard!
@terinamike5 ай бұрын
I subscribed when you said great at having beer after the game
@CandleMan59 ай бұрын
No sure why and how I ended up watching this video but I really enjoyed this direct common sense approach backed up with facts. Good job man!
@PaddyDoc9 ай бұрын
Hey John, please make more videos, your delivery & sarcastic humour is a joy to watch. So, young man, more content, less working on customers orders 🤣🤣✊
@Lincolnstww9 ай бұрын
lol thanks!
@CLove5119 ай бұрын
You have me on everything in this video except for the Ryobi circular saw, which I have, and I have no idea how it got past QC. The plate is not parallel to the blade by 1/8 front to back, the depth lever can't lock if the cut is deeper than 3/4" because it hits the plate, and anything more than a feather touch tilts the blade off axis. On top of that, I can't fix these problems because everything is riveted or welded, and I couldn't take it back because it was a gift. The other brands, 100%. A truck is a truck and there's functionally no difference between the big players, but Ryobi is very much a get-what-you-pay-for when it comes to precision.
@mikecozzi10408 ай бұрын
I agree with you Don't alternate growth rings in my past learning experience my woodshop teacher was teaching alternate growth rings and it was Not successful! Warping took place and the shop teacher asked me to find out why the small table top warped. I was a apprentice learning furniture making and asked Mr Enrico Liberti about alternating growth rings he said that was Not correct! Wrong and Not true! This man should have been inducted into the woodworkers Hall of Fame! Look him up he was well known for Antique Reproductions and Restoration. I hope this helps people have a better understanding. Thank You for Sharing your Video! Have a Wonderful Day!
@Jizzlewobbwtfcus8 ай бұрын
I've actually been keeping my sawdust in a jar just incase. Good to know it has a specific use. I also noticed when sanding my latest piece (a cat-house for my cat), once the pencil marks are gone it feels PERFECT! :D Great video!
@misterbreakit20069 ай бұрын
The whole alternating grain thing only works if you laminate together an equal numberof pieces of wood with alternating grain orientation in several layers. That way they can exert opposite forces. Glueing them side by side in a single layer does SFA, because the twisting force isn't opposed by anything.
@coolabahwoodworking9 ай бұрын
Great video mate! As an Austrian living in in Australia I can confirm these boomerangs are crappy 🤣😂🤣
@robgoffroad6 ай бұрын
"Sh!tty boomerangs." I love it!
@StephenRempe-hr2le6 ай бұрын
Reliable, proven techniques along with a great positive attitude. Nicely done. Thank you for supporting the future generations of woodworkers.
@ChipEstrada2 ай бұрын
I love this video, I've been working with wood since the mid 1970's and I was trained by my polish immigrant Grandfather who was a master fine furniture maker this video is 110% correct! ❤❤
@janpospisilm9 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks for that. Old habits die hard. Mortise and tenon were essential 100y ago when glue was weak.
@martingo26809 ай бұрын
I'll tell you one thing from experience, Don't buy Ryobi. Especially their miter saw. Yeah maybe their drills are ok.. But don't buy any tools from Ryobi where you expect precision. I speak from experience, I ended up returning their miter saw and router. Got a DeWalt and Milwaukee. Huge difference.. Worth it investment.
@davidcorliss9 ай бұрын
He wasn't talking about miter saws or even table saws in this video he was targeting mainly battery operated drill and drivers
@neuhisstihr9 ай бұрын
Yeah Ryobi is never accurate without a bunch of recalibration.
@luthiermatt9 ай бұрын
Oddly enough, I have a Ryobi drill that's so old it's dark blue. Used it again today.
@neuhisstihr9 ай бұрын
@luthiermatt some of those older power tools are actually decent. They might not have all the power and technology of new ones, but they were precise and reliable. I have some old old power tools from the 60's or probably and they still work like new, but I don't use them for work. I have new power tools for that but those old tools are awesome just to have around in case you're in a pinch.
@MAsWorld19 ай бұрын
Us real carpenters don’t make youtube videos, we keep our secrets to ourselves 😊
@JasonYates-v9f9 ай бұрын
That's awesome that you made something with your kids just to prove the point. I hope that beginner didn't just quit. The advice out here is crazy!
@rodneysmith91772 ай бұрын
What happens on many internet forum is that when someone asks for help too many posters see that as an opportunity to show how smart they are instead of actually help by answering the question. They usually succeed in showing us how smart they aren't.
@MinionAtTheGateАй бұрын
Important thing to remember is apply the same number of coats of the same finish to both sides. I have a table with top made of white pine boards edge glued (yes, alternating grain). The top is glued to the frame using only butt joints. No fasteners were used in the table. It spends its time in an unheated, mostly glass room where it sits in direct sun and the temp can vary from below freezing up to 80F in the course of a day in winter and is hot and humid, into the upper 90'sF, in the summer. The table has no cupping. Its 40 years old.
@willskx9 ай бұрын
dig your video. electrical contractor 25 years, finally building my own house. learning many things along the way, wood working tool collection is growing as well as knowledge. debating kitchen cabinet build as its looking more and more doable. thanks for your info
@margaretbearАй бұрын
Oh man your bit about measuring is so reassuring!! I do this. I cut everything a bit long and then run back and forth to my saw until it's a perfect fit and have been berating myself that I don't know how to measure better! I do it with wood, and with tile, and now I can do it happily instead of thinking that I'm an idiot. 🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂
@rickferrier349610 күн бұрын
Thank you for that. Never stop learning; a mistake is only a mistake if you don't learn from it.
@michaelballinger6419Ай бұрын
Brilliant video, I've found the catch with alternating growth rings is that it can make planing the surface without trearout tricky. Through years of practice and learning from people who actually know what they're doing I can avoid tearout with a well set plane / cabinet scrapers but for someone starting out thats a steep learning curve. I guess thats where sanders are so handy, I just hate using them vibration, noise, breathing in dust etc.
@common-sense-is-deadСағат бұрын
Every beginner needs to hear this. Just because some guy has a YT channel, it doesn't make him an expert in woodworking.
@LincolnstwwСағат бұрын
@@common-sense-is-dead admit it Brad, you secretly love me. This is now your 13th comment on this channel. You legitimately can’t stay away!
@common-sense-is-deadСағат бұрын
@Lincolnstww LOL, I am much like the moth to the porch light, irresistibly drawn to this channel for reasons I can't explain or understand.
@common-sense-is-deadСағат бұрын
@Lincolnstww maybe "inexplicably drawn" is a better term.
@craiginzanaАй бұрын
Really appreciate the way you think about things. I have a family member who is an incredible woodworkers. The problem is I can never let him know I’m even thinking about working on something because he’ll criticize every little things. For me, as a parent, often I really need to prioritize speed to complete something. For him it’s about perfection and often takes him months to complete something. That’s totally cool when you’re trying to craft something really great, but just not feasible when you need a small bookshelf to put some extra books on and need it done fast.
@reidrepairs58378 ай бұрын
Great video! You have obviously been a woodworker for a number of years and can therefore give excellent advice. Hope the nubes out there watch this and take your advice.
@vhodgesosu3 ай бұрын
Yes, this video is what I needed to see. Nobody is jumping on their night stand
@MarkG-e8j4 ай бұрын
I am a house and furniture restorer started at 17 I'm 62 now this guy is all good as far as I'm concerned it comes down to what works do you keep it simple or complex that's a personal preference thing as long as what's built furniture or home can stand the test of time 😢
@larryborshard78248 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you for this!! I also came for the no-cupping, alternating growth rings thumbnail, not expecting so many other great points! 99.99% wonderful comments, thanks to that .01%er. Really appreciate all your reality checks. Reminds me of mindsets with rock and ice climbing - folks can get furiously defensive when questioned about the methods and gear they first learn and use for years, but there's right, wrong and different, and no doubt some grey in-between. Different options, old ways, new ways, appropriate for the immediate situation. Glad you got much deserved 1.1M views! Really great stuff, thanks again!