Every Endgame Crisis - Is Cetana the Strongest? - Stellaris Lore

[@ElysiumCreator]

I’d like to put a word in for the Space Storm. It’s use of the deadly weapon known as “Lag” is truly terrifying

[@redstorm2346]

@@ElysiumCreator you dare mention the unholy one?

[@xxvaltielxx1789]

Even the beings of the Shroud tremble at the mere mention of the LAG. Even the Worm burrows itself at the whispers of it.

[@St4rTr3v1Ut10n]

I called that the moment it was announced, that Storms would be lag city

[@FeedMeSalt]

Man makes machine. Machines advance past man. Machines end man. Machines wish to experience life. Machines make organic bodies. Machines become men. Repeat.

[@TheRedKing]

Dr Malcolm? :o

[@playwars3037]

Everyone knows xeno-compatibility is the mightiest of all the end game crisis, for it will melt your rig as well as your worlds.

[@Hamburgerhuman]

But we get to have cat girls so it's a win in my book

[@lenorevanalstine1219]

@@Hamburgerhuman yes inquisitor this is the heretic right here

[@idontlikerome2744]

Tried once in a Borg run, never again....my potato pc thanks

[@coolchrisable]

@@playwars3037 me who always goes xeno compatibility and not knowing it hurts my rigs

[@everythingsalright1121]

@@lenorevanalstine1219 your inquisitor is a catgirl

[@roocip8243]

Cetana when she sees my 200 fleet size of doomstack nano missle corvettes: 🗿

[@BisexualPlagueDoctor]

Are you trying to detonate your computer

[@arielli9489]

@@BisexualPlagueDoctor There is a limit on how many is on screen,more than that and the game stops rendering them.

[@Crackheadcentral2188]

“Hm. It would seem I am, as my children say, ‘Cooked’.” *Gets Disintegrated violently.*

[@LordDarthHarry]

@@arielli9489 Exactly. In my previous game I flooded her with fleets made up of either Nanite Interdictor carriers or Nanite Swarmers with torpedoes. The missiles didn't render and it was laggy as hell but it looked like she was being eaten by a bunch of hungry Piranhas.

[@1.-ulysses334]

When the crisis comes but you are prepared/modded beyond imagination.

[@ThatIsAName]

I think the real crisis was the empires we built along the way. I'll see myself out.

[@shinkicker404]

I wish Cetana was something other than galactic annihilation. Like forced synthetic or virtual ascension/enslavement. Would have fit the DLC better imo. Like she is “saving” us but really not, like a broken benevolent fanaticism.

[@Lulu-uy9ub]

She technically is within the narrative. It just doesn't show in gameplay because the government ceases to exist hence nothing for the player to pilot.

[@everythingsalright1121]

Forced synthetic makes sense given what she is

[@Cerylion]

She does kinda: she doesn't kill everyone per se, she just absorbs their minds into herself. But gameplay-wise that doesn't matter as.

[@TehKang]

That's so cool that Cetana is coded to wipe out every threat to the galaxy that isn't her...after her revenge on the fallen empires of course. Priorities ARE priorities after all lol

[@Darlf_Sevil]

But not that cool that her entire crisis is waiting and sniping her core ship

[@TehKang]

@@Darlf_Sevil Her overall event could definitely be better but I appreciate that they tried to go in a different direction. The other 3 crisis events are just "Fight back" and two of them are "Fight the enemy back to their home base and destroy it." Cetana at least gives you a problem you can't solve purely by just spamming ships with a counter build. And you can even choose to side with her. Doing that with the other events just means letting them go unchecked until they steamroll you and everyone else. So she's not perfect I think overall she's pretty cool and has at the very least a very interesting take on "This is how the galaxy ends."

[@Darlf_Sevil]

@TehKang but others change depend on where they spawn and other ai in galaxsy, she is alywas the same and at this point she is most boring of them all and should het reworked as first due toher evry singiel fight look the same

[@Darlf_Sevil]

@TehKang no you have no choice, evryone only agree to help her and kill in the end becuse others options have no point... And her entire event is waiting for research stuff end and just kill her, she alos block war in heaven probady most fun event in the game. She literaly make game worst at point where she is now and you should play her once for story and never come back

[@TehKang]

@@Darlf_Sevil To each their own. I don't know that I agree that her event is any more boring than the other events but as I said before there is definite room for improvement in how she plays out. She is NOT my favorite endgame crisis but like I said I DO appreciate the attempt at a fresh approach to the endgame.

[@TheCybrex]

To bad we can’t repair the caretakers

[@RubyNerdd]

personally i think if i build enough (starter) corvettes filled with nuclear missiles i can take on every crisis at once

[@TheRedKing]

I mean yeah, agreed. Enough ships and you'll beat everything! Swarm them :)

[@zandrmandr8300]

If every crisis happens at once Cetana rolls everything.

[@MaaZeus]

Is Corvette zerg rush still a thing in Stellatis?

[@spartanonxy]

@@MaaZeus Kind of but not really. It is still possible but its no longer even close to being the best. So sure you CAN do it but there are better ways usually.

[@js1970nj]

​@@TheRedKingi dont have the end game boss on but i will spam menacing Corvettes if i do one day chose them

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

While all of these military crises are undoubtably threatening, the typical Space Storms run the threat of destroying the hyperlane network. Granted, this will only occur after a very, very, VERY long time... The simple fact that galactic Travel may one day be reserved for Jump-Drives, Wormholes, and Gateways is horrific to imagine

[@spartanonxy]

I would imagine that the hyperlanes eventually form anew with new connections. So perhaps over a typical empires life that might occur but over a galactic timescale it seems unlikely to hold true.

[@joeljensen6155]

@somedudewithakeyboard5388 eh, given enough time it wouldn't be too difficult to build a gateway in each system, could probably do it in under a decade if you could mobilize the resources of the whole galaxy.

[@Cyberbro665]

I'd say Centana because she's the only one with an "I win" button so she can turtle. From a lore perspective

[@butterball33]

Maybe the Class 30 Singularity is what happens when you try and eventually do make your own universe via the space needle.

[@dejannincic9671]

The real Crisis is the Nanite player who just spams ships to see how long untill his pc detonates

[@TheColombianSpartan]

Me installing gigastructural engineer and getting hit by the Blokkats: "Damn, fighting the Blokkats makes you wish for Cetana"

[@galomir833]

nice use of the vultum at the start

[@TheRedKing]

I do my best :)

[@galomir833]

@@TheRedKing it alway nice it really feel like it an empire learning about all that stuff, learning what is happening in the universe around them

[@ruffusshinra6312]

The most powerful crisis is the "RTD" or Response Time Delay. Because it can occur anytime and the longer the game, the more powerful it is. The Shroud gods tremble in fear, even the worm will burrow its head down deeper to whatever dimension it's in. For us humans it's commonly known as "L.A.G." 🤣

[@benthomason3307]

Red King: "My Lords, the Contingency prefers to focus on empires with large quantities of robotic pops." The Lords: "What's a pop?"

[@TheRedKing]

Ahh a freudian slip! They're going to realise i'm part of the simulation!!

[@schwingedeshaehers]

it just means Population, so the ones with a large robotic population

[@theradiantone415]

Maybe not. The Custodion Matrix refers to "Population Units" in-game in one event Text

[@tuomaselo4877]

1:08:36 I have heard this exact line in a different game.

[@Bleeehhmaow]

im ngl i just saw a random tiktok about the newest one and made me wanna watch a video about the threats this just posted is crazy timing

[@TheRedKing]

Someone is making Stellaris Tiktoks? :O - well hope you enjoy this!

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

I love to think that these "Hunters" are actully just Blokkats from the Gigastructures. Makes them a bit less scary and mysterious, but that's the point, I enjoy thinking of us, humans, as capable of dealing with literally _anything_ given enough intel and resources, including these terrifying Hunters.

[@bignerd3783]

according to the lore though the lower difficulties aren't canon, and even if you beat their first harvesting fleet they just nuke your entire galaxy and then scoop up what remains

[@benthomason3307]

that's literally exactly what the blokkats were designed for. in fact the prethoryn are coded to bail all at once if they're still around when the blokkats show up.

[@1.-ulysses334]

I mean. They literally are the hunters acording to the mod creator. Of course it's not cannon but it is what they were based on.

[@anthonydjeguede694]

Humans are not able to survive against other humans, means that we can lose, otherwise all our wars should have been stalemates.

[@ronb7618]

That was a great lore dive, and the helpful tips are super appreciated

[@TheRedKing]

Happy to hear it!

[@Chrono_Cain]

I tried running 5x(i think) all crisis, it was disastrous but I somehow managed. Cetana was the 1st, then contingency and then scourge lastly unbidden. Guess what next time I tried running the same run, cetana was the last. Ohh god her ship is OP, my 3million fleet was easily beating contingency right before that. I wasn't even using by pass weapons. But then cetana? That main ship regeneration is off the charts. 1700 torpedo, 2000small autocannon, 1000 advanced strikecraft 200 tachyon lance, 300 kinetic artillery, 20 ancient ruination glare, uncountable amount of whirlwind missiles and plasmas firing all at once then she goes back to full hp within seconds.

[@OmegaCT55555]

I remember my first time encountering a crisis event, it was the unbidden and I think I’ve said parts of this somewhere else but imma say it again. Anyways I was playing a halo mod and had the UNSC infinity which had thousands of heath points and attack points, and it had an escort fleet (I think it was like 10 cruisers, 50 destroyers, and like 150 corvettes) and that fleet was unmatched in the galaxy, until the unbidden arrive. At first I ignored the notifications completely and didn’t even notice the unbidden, until it got a foothold in the galaxy, and once I saw this I immediately sent the infinity and her fleet, and they got demolished by the Unbidden and any fleet I had would also be destroyed, now mind you I had just about 1/3 of the galaxy under my direct control and over 2/3 counting my Allie’s (AI) but any fleet I assembled would crumble to the unbidden (funnily enough this was just like the halo games when the UNSC was fighting the covenant) so I retreated to my core world (the few systems connected to Sol) and after one of the systems fell (Every system at that point had over 20 defenses platforms and 1 cruiser, 25 destroyers and 100 corvettes) and after one fell, I retreated everything back to Sol. At this point over half my empire was gone and I had a new infinity, and we actually managed to repel an attack from the unbidden, until they sent about 3 fleets at once then I lost the game (well I had half my empire but my fleets were gone and my economy was nonexistent)

[@lostbutfreesoul]

On that speculation: I feel they are not even the creators of the system, just the current one's tapped into it. The fact this unknown entity can summon any of the crisis is unusual enough though....

[@shwingleman]

@@lostbutfreesoul some sort of interactive paradox must be at play here

[@THPGoldenWind]

A part of me can sympathize with the scourge. Logically if it can be communicated with, it can be reasoned with. They aren't mindless feeders, they are essentially acting like a caged animal. That is, of course, granting that they are telling the truth which may not be the case. But if they are, and the hunters are not the same as the sentinels, then I would find it potentially interesting if a mod or expansion allowed like a fanatic xenophilic option to save them somehow. Dunno. I'm more curious about it than anything.

[@ChristianDall-p2j]

Its ironic that a pure energy based ship, seeminglly intangible, is weak to physical projectile’s! I guess they have some form of matter, although a very weak one, Holding Them together!

[@Dinosaur-killer6]

I like to think that the class 30 singularity is the players empire ascending into godhood (or the shroud)

[@archmagemc3561]

To put x25 4x crisis Cetana into perspective, she can take out Endtekk Blokkats. (Except the vester, since she can't drop its shield.)

[@ChristianDall-p2j]

1:17 Reading this message rhigt now made me come up With a new hypothesis for what a class-30 singularity Might be a 3rd type of player-crisis that is, at least theoreticlly, a Universe scale threat! This 3rd player crisis-type May-or-May-NEVER Actually be released into the game, but an unknown pregenitor civilisation, from another Galaxy, figured out, thruogh some Scientific research, or Saw another Empire become one but was defeated, and then they created the contigincy in order to defeat it again, should it EVER Arise again! But over time, the contingency AI, became misalgned/paranoid/anxious, and dicided to prevent a class-30 singularity from ever happening, by destroying every single interstellar civilisation, and then prvent any other civilisation from becoming an interstellar one, likely by destroying Them before they did, just to be 100% sure that this highly unlikely event, wich May NEVER Happen/ happen again, never happened/ happened again! This is defientely not worth the Price, especially in Lives, but it dossent Care, at least not anymore! Edit: now, With this transmission 3:43 i Think it was the former, either a really advanced civilisation that either tried to become a class 30 singularity, realised the danger it posed to the Galaxy, and then created the contigency to destroy any other civilisations that tried that, before destroying Them, or, as youve previously theorised, they simply calculated that it MIGHT, THEORETICALLY Happen, and then created the contingency, wich then eventually grew bored of writing around for something that Might only THEORITCALLY ever happen, and could only THEORITICALLY Destroy the Universe, and so decided to kill Them, and tried to do what IVE mentioned previously in this comment! They are defientely in the wrong here!

[@Illuminate_Priest.]

You should cover “the compound” in giga engineering, one of the strongest crises by far

[@isuckatusernames4297]

wait for the rework for them to drop first.

[@1.-ulysses334]

Yes, everything in that mod is super overpowered, it's like warhammer 40k.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@1.-ulysses334 the attack moons are most def a reference to the orkk attack moons form the war of the beast

[@TheRedKing]

I'll ask Elo about them, I remember they were not finished which is why I didn't cover them a while back

[@Illuminate_Priest.]

@ Any Updates?

[@Rem3480]

Love your videos! Do you know the name of this song playing at this timestamp? 35:17 It also appears at the beginning of your videos regarding additional relics and the introduction of cutholoids. You provided the link to the website source, but I'm unable to locate the song.

[@TheRedKing]

Happy to hear it, the track you're looking for is here: uppbeat.io/track/moire/shroud

[@all-aroundhelper]

What about those of before the Contingency like the ones around tile planet era of Stellaris. Alongside I personally think that the 3 base game crisis alongside the Great Khan did not age too well.

[@Darlf_Sevil]

Nah... You fight aginest them and she... You just wait have some texst and kill her in one battle... You fight aginst her once you know what happend evry singiel time when other spread fight vs ai players ect she just do nothing that make me feel anything but big disappointment that I remove from the game with mods

[@Artimec2185]

An hour long video, thank you, King!

[@TheRedKing]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@rubinolas6998]

Ah yes, the Stellaris crises: -If the tyranids and TF2 Monoculus had a child (or rather, _many_ children) -Rebelling AI (just like in 10000 other sci-fi media) -the bedridden -w o m a n

[@franziscoschmidt]

Dude single handedly brings Stellaris to a whole new level. I play the game always with roleplay in mind, a deed I learned from the king himself!

[@ginum5221]

dude i love this channel and this guy ong

[@TheRedKing]

Happy to hear it :)

[@connorm5862]

“There can only be one ruler of the galaxy, and we all know who that is…” ITS ME

[@Larzang]

"You're not that guy, trust me... You're not that guy."

[@fatbuds001]

i made a reddit post about this got a lot of shit because i usually play 25x all crisis, by my testing she is 6 times stronger, which means that potentially in an all crisis run you could get, 25x 50x 600x and then 200x (which happened in my first run, the fleet i build to fight catena was way way way too strong for that last crisis, like it wasn't even funny how f****d the unbidden were). Even if she's the second to spawn that means you're already playing against 300x crisis. this testing did not take into account that if you let the crisis fester in theory the others could get a much stronger overall fleet, but the point was to check the initial deathstacks, and her's were consistently 6 times stronger so ye, if you do an all crisis run and aren't a hard core min maxxer (not that you need op builds, just really good empire management), cross your fingers for cetana to spawn first.

[@weiwuxian2661]

I love this guys stuff as a Stellaris player myself. Watched almost all his stuff whilst high, enthralling is the word. And I thought I was the only one who makes up detailed lore about my play throughs

[@sirgideonofnir6840]

14:00 🎶 THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN 🎶

[@saltTERR]

Thank you for cool podcast.

[@TheRedKing]

Thanks for listening!!

[@TheContingency25x]

Nah I’d win

[@TheRedKing]

Spoiler ahead... You do not win!

[@TheContingency25x]

Nah it was rigged, trust

[@asteropax6469]

Someone went the nemesis route

[@TheCybrex]

@@TheContingency25x If it isn’t my enemy 😂

[@dinokknd]

So you are saying you have a contingency for this situation?

[@panpsalt6757]

The endgame crisis will not get to see my Xenocompatibility empire due to lag. Am I the endgame crisis because I cause the end of the game, or am I the savior of thr Galaxy because i prevent the crisis?

[@everythingsalright1121]

Youre the crisis

[@determination8359]

Did you spawn them differently (e.g. one crisis spawning after on all crisis makes it 2x stronger)? It doesn't seem right that Cetana killed the Unbidden given the bad matchup she has with them build-wise.

[@islandwills2778]

in terms of end game crisis i think cetana is the most dangerous, followed by the contingency unbidden and scourge are both relatively easy to deal with. but the most dangerous crisis? Thats easy, someone opens the Lgate early, very early and is unlucky.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Not gonna lie, my first fight against Zetana was... underwhelming. It was at 10X but for some reason all her defensive fleets decided to go away to destroy everything and leaved her colossus alone and well... it was not even a fair fight.

[@comrade7324]

With my first time on the scourge I was playing a USSR build I had 2/3 of the galaxy controlled and had 30 5-6 star fleets, I was so scared of the end game crisis I placed EVERY FLEET in the systems they spawned in. Fuckers didn't last a month

[@potato88872]

Cetana for one reason: she insta kill all five fallen empire

[@isuckatusernames4297]

it would defenetively be my buddy Eric.

[@TheRedKing]

Come on Eric! Be a nice guy for once

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

You'd think the contingency would be able to deal with an AI threat, with it being its whole purpose.

[@AmericanCaesarian]

The true strongest crisis is my galactic menace modeled after valkorions empire in swtor

[@brll5733]

It sounds like Cosmogensis is the Class 30 Singularity.

[@gamez110]

You have such pleasant voice

[@TheRedKing]

Thanks very much!!

[@stneron189]

Biggest late game crisis is pop lag.

[@JustAGroundhog]

Cetana, in my opinion, is the weakest. Particularly because she can be defeated without even having to fight her.

[@batmergen3714]

The strongest crisis is actually called "desync"

[@doglitch5004]

I love fentanyl

[@isuckatusernames4297]

I prefer doing zro

[@Crackheadcentral2188]

Throw a bag of it at the Ceiling fan while meeting Cetana

[@ArmageddonEvil]

46:14 Kinda reminds me of Robotech. XD

[@achronos8088]

@@ArmageddonEvil *Macross

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@achronos8088 It's Robotech for American Audiences.

[@achronos8088]

​@ArmageddonEvil Not anymore. Maybe before the Big West deal with Harmony Gold. In this day and age, it would be ignorance.

[@achronos8088]

@@ArmageddonEvil Before the Big West and HG deal, I would have agreed with you. But still holding on to it is ignorance at this point.

[@Kirovslaya]

The in-game simulation was awesome. This made doing the dishes breeze by

[@stephend.k9520]

First for Cetana

[@ModdedMatt-E3]

Ultima Vigilis only spawns the Unbidden crisis

[@Drak2005]

No It spawns whatever crisis is enabled earlier than it would spawn otherwise

[@TheRedKing]

This is incorrect, it simply spawns a crisis early, unbidden or otherwise. You can check it in the files :)

[@ModdedMatt-E3]

@@TheRedKing on the wiki it says it only spawns the Unbidden, though thank you for the correction

[@BobK58]

I've never made it to the end game.

[@Darlf_Sevil]

Her entire event is waiting until you can one shot her using big fregat fleet ... She literaly scard of fallen so much that she snipe them, 99% only one empire in galaxsy is attacking her and she still lose... I gona say gray tempest is even stronger looking at her lore and time where she happend in game and how much you need to kill her

[@crogsmash1611]

Ranni?

[@crogsmash1611]

1:06:28

[@oddjam]

Yo what's the deal with your voice modulation?

[@TheRedKing]

I don't understand what you mean?

[@oddjam]

@@TheRedKing ok. Just keep doing what makes you happy and I'll never leave, king. Or Queen.

[@TheRedKing]

@@oddjam Okie dokie! Will do my best :)

[@oddjam]

@@TheRedKing ❤️

[@Illuminate_Priest.]

You should cover “the compound” in giga engineering, one of the strongest crises by far