Every Legendary Pokemon Signature Move Ranked Worst to Best

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

yeah I know the title should say “legendary AND mythical” but I didn’t want it to be that long lol. Happy JPR Friday 🎉 also I know this one will catch as lot of people but I didn't realize how bad Thunder Cage is while making this vid, IT IS NOT A TIER LOL

[@Idrop123]

Euuuuhm it also should say "Pokémon", not "pokemon" 🤓🤓

[@manupm9161]

Don't worry, they're the same thing and it's stupid they're not in the same category

[@DemonGaming-pkm5]

Where are the Latis?

[@SJrad]

Yeah it’s probably a C or D tier move. If it was base 100 like magma storm, it would be A tier

[@OgerponIsACutie]

Take heart is more like calm mind not cosmic power

[@JottoHearthStone]

Steel Type Future sight in F tier is insane dude 140 base power, and you set it up so that you attack thier switch in, it's a very strong attack

[@bonniethebunny3971]

Facts

[@urmom-qo7lz]

@tsushima7476 2 turn is the point, you set it up and pivot to like a Dragon type or something and now they can't block it with a Fairy type

[@KVO723]

Thousand Waves actually had use on one of the scariest Zygarde complete sets in Ubers where he would trap in a weaker mon and then coil or D Dance for days and sweep from there. It still probably wouldn’t be that high because it’s still totally outclassed by Thousand Arrows, but it could be a tier maybe 2 up. Also you missed the part where Core Enforcer negates the opponents ability. It would be so good on Zygarde if only it were a physical attack

[@teno777]

Yeah saying thousand waves is D tier just because thousand arrows exists is ludicrous. And even then these moves serve different purposes. Heck, thousand waves should have been much, much higher…

[@turtlenator6249]

Just want to point this out for Calyrex, only Glacial Lance got nerfed from 130 to 120 base power. Astral Barrage was never nerfed.

[@facade6927]

Yeah astral barrage was always 120 bp

[@Endershock1678]

As a VG players, I don’t wanna imagine an even strong Calyrex. The extra EVs you would need to survive…

[@gimmmicky]

doom desire F tier is kind of crazy, deserves at least D tier for forcing your opponent to pivot to something that resists it, letting you switch in your own counter to that

[@edwuano7]

that's a good point. nice catch.

[@ronnycrawf2441]

Especially with thunder cage at A lol

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

turn moves are usually bad because Protect exists, whic results in just a waste of your turns

[@ayyjay20]

@@theamazingspooderman2697I believe doom desire and future sight hit through protect so again, they still force offensive pressure. Doom desire being F tier is kinda crazy

[@gimmmicky]

@@theamazingspooderman2697 protect is both uncommon in singles (with some exceptions) and still forfeits momentum, making future sight/doom desire at least situationally useful

[@mrboost4186]

You massively underrated Double Iron Bash, that move is broken and deserved S tier

[@mrboost4186]

Also Thunder Cage is crap how is that in the same tier as Double Iron Bash

[@mrboost4186]

Nevermind about Thunder Cage just saw the comment lol

[@michelemichienzi934]

100% agree, double iron bash is insane. The flinch chance get underestimated a lot, if that move ever makes it in vgc it would be an absolute menace

[@jaydog77]

​@@michelemichienzi934 gonna flinch a lot with 34 speed.....

[@michelemichienzi934]

@@jaydog77 never heard about trick room did you?

[@stefanli6700]

Marshadow’s Spectral thief is definitely S tier. Stealing boost is so good

[@KVO723]

I don’t get Origin Pulse being so high when Kyogre will often prefer spamming Water Spout and it’s accuracy is so shaky, but it does hit ig

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Non-Scarfed Kyogre will often get outsped and hit before moving itself in the metagames where it is allowed, so those sets will either completely forgo Water Spout or run Water Spout and Origin Pulse together.

[@FulgencioDX]

Kyogre tends to run both moves. Origin Pulse is a good backup if your Kyogre gets worn down during a match, or even if you know your opponent's Pokémon is faster and will attack Kyogre first

[@VerdantRange]

Pretty sure you missed Latios' Luster Purge and Latias' Mist Ball.

[@TheForeverRanger]

Aeroblast from Lugia as well

[@DanixMRs]

@@TheForeverRangerhe did mention lugia

[@IowaCoconut]

@@TheForeverRanger not at all

[@VerdantRange]

@@TheForeverRanger Go to the 8:00 point.

[@Woofrie]

Psystrike too

[@lightninghelmet2798]

You forgot Zekrom Kick

[@Real_Person_Not_A_Bot]

V-create has always been my personal favorite signature move. It was why I was so amazed to see Mega Rayquaza get announced, because to this day there are only three pokemon that ever got V-create. Victini of course, Smeargle obviously, and there was one event Rayquaza that got V-create, and thanks to great trade I got with a Japanese player, I got a fully EV trained legitimate V-create event Rayquaza just in time for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, so needless to say, that was pretty great.

[@Outlow2400]

I don't think you realize how broken Thousand Arrows is It's not only the best ground type move, it's the best offensive move in the game. Ground is offensively broken and is only balanced by the fact that levitate and flying exist. Literally any setup pokemon that would learn this could go for a mono attacker set with this attack and ruin the game

[@walaceandrade4046]

Orthworn stocks when this inevitably happens 📈

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

Imagine getting your sigature move nerfed because someone else did it better than you.

[@hungrytaco6879]

Haha, VoidCats go brrrrr

[@yeremiaputra7213]

No that guy stole it and use it carelessly

[@facade6927]

Darkrai would do it infinitely better than Smeargle if he was actually allowed in vgc

[@The_Art_Style]

Darkrai is way better cause his passive would null sturdy and focus sash automatically right after he put both opponents to sleep not to mention unlike the copy boy his stats are great The issue is that darkrai is pretty much never allowed in any competition

[@Spooky1470]

Bro Darkrai in vgc would've been so broken!!

[@bdt2002gaming]

Shoutouts to some of the more funny signature moves that exist on a technicality: -In Gen 2 only, Moltres is the only Pokémon that gets Sky Attack without having to learn it in Gen 1 or by being sent through the Time Capsule. A theoretical wild Moltres would have this move naturally too -While not the same idea as Legendaries, the Ultra Beast Kartana has a secret signature move, but it’s far less exciting than Mind Blown… the move in question is Cut by level-up 💀 -The XD: Gale of Darkness Lugia is the only Pokémon in Gen 8 that could use Psycho Boost outside of Metronome calling the move because Deoxys got axed from the files

[@maymadisson6140]

Thousand Waves is actually really good in singles, it actually has an entire set based around it. Also astral barrage wasn’t nerfed.

[@APRobertsVII]

Yeah, I was scratching my head when he basically said Core Enforcer, a move you never see on serious Zygarde, was better than Thousand Waves.

[@mantisr818]

Urshifu moves don't hit through Protect. It's Urshifu's ability that does it.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

Relic song is muuuch bette than F tier. It has 20% chance to put the opponent to sleep which is huge

[@TheFlashyLucario]

10% actually, it’s definitely a bit nieche

[@alexandernelson3703]

​@@TheFlashyLucarioThe move itself has a 10% chance, but Meloetta's Serene Grace doubles that.

[@TheFlashyLucario]

@@alexandernelson3703 lmao I forgot it even had Serene Grace

[@FroyoMNS]

And since you can’t start in Pirouette form it’s a necessity if you want to use that form (you can’t just choose to use that form at the start of a battle like he seemed to imply)

[@ceb1242]

No it's that bad

[@vossboss220]

The absolute difference in power between roar of time and spacial rend is downright criminal. You get way more damage in 2 turns with SR and the high crit rate just rubs salt in the wound

[@NightmareBanana69]

0:00 I’m like “Roar of Time goated frfr” 0:48 I’m just 😢

[@leafgreen20cruz]

Panic sound😂 0:45 0:49 3:05 6:56 7:53 7:56 I love does Sound Effects. Keep up the amazing work

[@APRobertsVII]

Core Enforcer over Thousand Waves is a terrible take. Yes, it’s a good move. 100 BP no drawbacks is good, but it’s a Special Attack exclusive to a predominantly Physical Attacker. You also forgot to mention its effect to nullify the abilities of the Pokémon it hits, which is great; however, since Zygarde is slow in its Complete Forme and has an even lower Special Attacks in its faster forms, the effect is wasted on it. Thousands Waves is a Physical Attack, which is exactly what Zygarde wants. Additionally, you severely underrate trapping abilities, especially in VGC. A Complete Forme Zygarde which traps two Pokémon which struggle to whittle down its HP are basically dead. That’s half a VGC team in any given battle. Ground type is also a better offensive type than Dragon and will hit more types for super-effective damage. Thousand Arrows is arguably Zygarde’s best move, but Thousand Waves can shine in its own right. Core Enforcer and Land’s Wrath are both lower tier by comparison.

[@SuperbGorilla]

I think doom desire should be a steel version of hydrapple's attack with an explanation like the stronger the desire, the more damage

[@robertlupa8273]

Or maybe make it setup Wish on top of its usual effect, though that would probably be broken, even of the healing was 50% weaker.

[@_DewGaming]

Wouldn't Lunar Blessing be a reskin of Jungle Healing, not the other way around?

[@mrboost4186]

Yeah

[@MEPlaysGames]

I think Doom Desire is better than you give it credit for. Sure, Serene Grace Iron Head is great, so Doom Desire usually isn’t the steel STAB of choice, that’s fair. But it’s a stronger version of Future Sight, which has seen a good deal of usage in singles now that it’s 120 power and 100% accurate. You can use it to deal psychic type damage and another type on the same turn, which puts a ton of pressure on the opposing team. Psychic and fighting is an absolutely lethal combination for example, because most Pokemon don’t resist both of those types. Doom Desire is the same move, but it’s steel type and 20 base power stronger. In the context of Jirachi’s movepool, Doom Desire isn’t great, sure, but I don’t think it’s F tier bad

[@robertlupa8273]

I read it in Matt's voice ❤

[@Dw7freak]

To quote a foreign dairy-based youtuber parodying an old commercial: "It's my damage and I want it now." And that's another big problem, that it is actually Steel-type damage. 140 base power is nice, but only if it can actually deal that damage. Aside from against Fairies, Steel kinda sucks offensively. Future Sight was buffed to 120 and 100% and sees zero play. So why would Doom Desire on something as frail as Jirachi when it can either be a glass cannon, a supporter, or a flinching monster.

[@JomaXZ]

17:09 "Nerfed to 120 power" THAT'S a NERF?

[@jonathanmormone2831]

Did i miss Mist ball and Luster Purge?

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

…oop

[@creeperman1295]

​@@JPRPokeTrainer98 Luster Purge definitely deserves to be pretty high too with its Gen 9 buff lel

[@blitz4779]

I'd he miss lugias aeroblast as well?

[@creeperman1295]

@@blitz4779 Nah, he got that one (8:03)

[@CaptainObliviousV]

They’d probably go in A after their buff in SV, basically being better versions of Psychic (literally in the case of Luster Purge)

[@MasterAbeer101]

I dont understand the Shadow Force placing, especially since Giratina learns Poltergeist now. I think it's an F/D Tier move. Also, Take Heart is Calm Mind, not Cosmic Power

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

tbh forgot Poltergeist was a move, good point

[@MasterAbeer101]

@@JPRPokeTrainer98 It's all good don't worry, it was introduced in Gen 8. Great video regardless!

[@creeperman1295]

Take Heart also deserved Double S instead of A since it gave Phione a ZU niche for a little bit before tier shifts. Can't believe JPR forgot such a monumental buff smh...

[@indiradevi8136]

​@@JPRPokeTrainer98u forgot diamond storm 😐

[@isandrooo]

@@indiradevi8136he put it in A tier

[@vvlaze]

Psystrike 100% deserves more credit, being able to hit an opponent’s physical defense with your special attack is huge for an offensive special attacker.

[@Dw7freak]

Yes. Psystrike is just a better Psyshock, and Keldeo's Secret Sword is just a Fighting-type Psyshock. Both are great options for getting around special walls. On that note, I don't think there was mention of Sacred Sword, the signature move of the Swords of Justice, which ignores defense and evasion boosts and gets boosted by Sharpness. It would probably be in B for being solid.

[@frozenherolp9077]

Small note on the Bears: Hitting through Protect has nothing to do with "Wicked Blow"/"Surging Strikes". That comes from them being contact moves and Ursh´s ability making contact moves ignore "Protect".

[@Tk421AtHisPost]

Yea, I can fully acknowledge roar of time's drawback but it's great for taking something out, then just swap pokemon to get rid of the cooldown. Besides, I've been carrying a dialga from all the way from og Pokemon Diamond, so no chance I'm ditching him now 😁

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

Move the genie storm moves to A and spectral thief/thousand arrows to S. These moves are actually so good (thousand arrows is broken because of how spammable it is, which in turn makes Zygarde’s dragon stab more threatening) and Spectral Thief bypasses substitute, meaning boost sweepers hiding behind a sub are NOT safe.

[@NoskerS]

I think sunsteel and moongeist should be A tier because of the ignoring parts of the moves which are helpful in niche cases but still seperate them a bit from the B tier

[@NoskerS]

I mean that although it's niche, thats still a very good part of it that wasnt brought up

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

Note: only Glacial Lance had a base power of 130 in Gen VIII, Astral Barrage was always 120 BP. Also, love your animated avatar!

[@Un0vatcg]

Hey man, I’m just reading through the comments and seeing there are a lot criticising and correcting, just wanted to say this was such a great video. Highlights the barrage of Urshifus in VGC! I really enjoyed it, keep it up man 😅

[@presidenttogekiss635]

Oblivion Wing is incredible for a choice specs set. Since Yvetal is naturally bulky, it tends to survive hits, and then it proceeds to hit the foe for MASSIVE damage and healing all the way up. It can make Yvetal a very difficult mon to deal with since it can be slowy worn down like other choiced mons

[@theimprovedbore550]

IMO Origin Pulse should be bumped down a bit - it's still good, but the 110BP/80% accuracy combo is very inconsistent (especially compared to Water Spout, which Kyogre also gets)

[@joaovictor_of]

Roar of Time setting up trick room makes so much sense

[@I_Am_Bowi]

Double Iron Bash is S tier, that flinch chance + power is so nasty

[@noahraymon9486]

Melmetal has 34 base speed so it’s never flinching…

[@kumomo_yosei]

Yeah, because trick room does not exist...

[@Zoroark_Master]

5:50 wasn’t there a whole drama about enamorus being only obtainable in legend arceus? (If it was such a big deal, surely people were using her)

[@FinalSeraphLeo]

3:58 Well, RIP JPR. You disrespected Giratina and will probably be sent to the void by it

[@robertlupa8273]

"Looks like you're going to the Shadow Realm, Jimbo!"

[@repingtonthethird]

Thousand waves doesn’t really belong in d tier, it’s more of a c/b tier move. Demon zygarde can use thousand waves to trap a favorable matchup to set up a sweep with coil and scale shot. Granted, it’s only used on one set and relatively inconsistent since you can’t guarantee you’ll run into a favorable matchup, let alone trap a favorable matchup, but it’s not *never* used.

[@KVO723]

Also Behemoth Blade and Behemoth Bash being the exact same but in different places is comical. I get why since Zacian is the better user but still

[@tetzy5172]

Behemoth Bash should have been use defense stat to do damage like Body Press, then it would be fitting for the legendary shield pokemon

[@tanaykadu3469]

Behemoth bash is only lower because zamazenta has better option in heavy slam. While behemoth blade isn't held back by having a better alternative

[@hamdepaf6686]

@@tanaykadu3469 Sure, but like we don't really talk about the Pokemon here, we are talking about the moves. Like you will have a hard time explaining to anyone that Gigaton Hammer is a bad move, because it is only learned by a mediocre Pokemon.

[@tob564]

The genie storm moves should be A tier because they are so reliant on rain, thus not being great moves in every situation.

[@necrozma4029]

Great tier list aside, the sound effects for the moves are KILLING me. The metal pipe for Behemoth Bash was the most unexpected lmao

[@kyurei4478]

This video was a lot more entertaining than I expected it to be. I appreciate the effort put in trying to keep it entertaining. Great job 👍.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

I haven't watched your channel in a bit (not on purpose just been busy) and wow you changed a lot. You feel a lot more professional here and it's more enjoyable to watch. If this was a one-off style video then that's fine and you do what you want to do but I thought I'd leave my feedback. I love this new style.

[@2im36]

im pretty sure take heart is like calm mind, not cosmic power.

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

yeah I def misread the description while scripting my b

[@2im36]

@@JPRPokeTrainer98 its not a big deal srry for being annoying i j had to say it💀

[@vojtech_ledvinka]

as a VGC player, astral barrage and glacial lange is for me automatically S tier even without watching this video 😁

[@Napalmxxx2]

I've actually had matches where Ice Burn was a pretty good grabber of momentum

[@Justin-oq3ng]

as a dialga fan, its so sad and unfair that roar of time has cooldown but spacial rend does not..

[@FrogandCrab-yt]

Eternabeam is still in the game

[@FrostGlader]

Meloetta’s Relic Song should at least be D Tier. It actually has a secondary effect of 10% Chance to put the opponent to sleep. _Meloetta’s ability is Serene Grace._ On top of that, it’s a Sound based Spread Move.

[@SJrad]

Considering how already prominent cress was in VGC, lunar blessing should go up in A Teir

[@damieny8526]

I definitely feel like Mewtwo's Psystrike should be higher. 100 BP 100% Accuracy move with Psyshock effect goes crazy on such a powerful special attacker

[@Hotdog718]

Where's Zekrom Kick? Edit: I'd move thunder cage down a tier. If you look on pikalytics it isn't even listed in moves that it uses. And Smogon doesn't even have thunder cage listed in any of its movesets.

[@ZachaRicO]

From a purely casual perspective, Roar of Time was at its best in its debut. The move's animation took a while to get through, but it made great use of that time to showcase the raw power behind it. Now, it's just a glorified laser beam.

[@robertlupa8273]

Nowdays it's Roar of Tim.

[@ShadowZabre]

"How Can a Lance Hit two People!?" Well, While on Horseback, you come from the enemy's Flank with Lance couched. Raise it up and pierce through one person, and into the next.

[@PeregrineST]

thousand arrows not in S is criminal SMH

[@prestonjones20013]

The reference to the Entei barking meme was top tier

[@nwww4067]

HEARTBEAT HEARTBREAK !!! Love the video, I always try to keep signature moves on my legendaries I keep for collection, but a lot of them do suck. Love get Jojo’s and persona references in a Pokémon video! The trifecta of my life :D

[@ashtonoak4370]

D Tier them S's in ya script was BACK TO BACK you was tearing my hears up lol but i liked it

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

You forgot Mist Ball and Luster Purge

[@DawnLong-s3k]

They're better off running either Psychic or even Psyshock instead.

[@gavinaaric]

Happy JpR Friday

[@ceb1242]

The effect of hitting through protect is urshifud ability, not an effect of the move

[@Peuco9431]

The fact that both ("both") gen 8 moves are top of S tier really says something about what we might expect from broken restricted gen 9 moves.

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

12:30 Fun fact, it steals the boosts before calculating damage, and *only* the boosts… 0_0

[@gonzaurra1]

Really enjoyed the topic of this video

[@ItsjustHydra]

You should do an every Pokémon signature move tier list next

[@coledavidson5630]

Crazy how Geomancy was so meta-defining for both singles and VGC

[@hurbywurby-q1h]

Literally the easiest fix they could do for dark void to restore its former glory is give it another effect that its only 100% accurate when darkrai uses it

[@MonsterHunterxRWBY]

In Super Mystery Dungeon, Crush Grip is actually quite broken outside of boss fights (also helps that Regigigas only gets a speed nerf in that game).

[@JimnyThePython]

Imagine if Meloetta’s different forms were things like Normal/Dark and Normal/Ghost and you could Relic Song to turn immune to an incoming Fighting-type move, that would’ve been interesting. Just a thought.

[@luis_zuniga]

I’d like to see a ranking of starter signature moves

[@rewardadrawer]

Aeroblast is pretty much objectively the best Flying-type special move out there, since its main competitors are Air Slash, which is like 35 BP weaker, and Hurricane, which is 70% accurate outside of rain. If this move was ever given distribution, it would be seen on every special flyer except for Pelipper in singles, and a handful of other rain team mons in VGC. Not sure if that merits placing it above B-tier or not, but it’s worth mentioning that Aeroblast should be graded on a curve, here

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

Signature moves range from meh to demonic and I love them. V create especially is great, even more so on mega Ray

[@Xeroxmyassiluv]

The Light That Burns The Sky is the greatest move in Pokémon history and should be S+ tier.

[@r-18altaccount85]

thunder cage in A is funny because i've never seen it being used by anyone

[@soloh_ugo]

I know, maybe it will be a good move on another Pokemon but Regieleki doesn’t benefit from trapping opponents, it just wants to hit hard and run

[@LAIDDN24]

give it to raging bolt or thundurus and it would be good

[@Psychomaniac14]

I'd like to make a correction: People don't use Enamorus not because Springtide Storm bad, but because trying to get an Enamorus with 0 IVs in Attack and Speed is basically impossible, because you need to BEAT LEGENDS ARCEUS FOR ONE ATTEMPT AT GETTING ONE WITH THE RIGHT IVS like, if it's not the right IVs, you literally need to rebeat the entire game in order to get another shot, because you can only see the IVs when you transfer it out of the game, and that requires you to save the game

[@Boreas451]

Haven’t finished the vid yet, but PLEASE, somebody besides me needs to acknowledge that PMD explorers Roar of Time is soooo much better than the lame beam we get in the main series

[@coledavidson5630]

Just finding out Zygarde has FOUR signature moves. Only knew about Thousand Waves, Thousand Arrows, and Core Enforcer (which I completely forgot about) before lol

[@presidenttogekiss635]

Doom Desire is NOT F tier. Its a stronger steel type Future Sight and Future Sight is key to anti-stall tactics. For starters, Doom Desire Jirachi is a best friend to any Dragon or Dark type attacker, since if you opponent switches in a Fairy take Knock off or Draco Meteor, it will also have to take a stab 140 base power supereffective steel move.

[@MaxWeb2599]

I personally like Meloettas move it Hase some unpredictability on it that the Oponent isn't sure at the start if it's physical, special or mixed builds, it allows you to simply avoid the dark weakness by turning into fighting, and has a 10% chance to inflict sleep which gets boosted cause of Serene Grace.

[@gamersreactions9267]

Behemoth Bash should be in A Tier

[@williamcox632]

7:10 given how double spinning edge is playing in the background, I'm guessing you have played all 3 Xenoblade chronicles games.

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

you know it 👌

[@trevorsmusicvideos]

nothing like the nostalgia of spamming through DP cynthia with a lv 100 roar of time

[@13KuriMaster]

I bet Techno Blast would be better (or at least considered more often) if the Drives did more than just change the type of the attack. Maybe give it an adjusting additional effect that changes with the drive? Like a 50% chance to burn/Paralyze/Freeze/whatever-works-for-water the opponent. Or maybe Genesect could get an ability that effectively gives it a third type when it has a Drive equipped, so that the Douse and Burn Drives could come in with a Flame-resistance, but new weaknesses.... making your opponent pay attention to the model/sprite for the tiny detail that can tell them what type would be super effective against it. They should really restore Dark Void's accuracy.... but keep the "If won't work if not used by Darkrai" limit. All these moves that are just reskins of extra attacks should probably get some extra buff... so that way the Legendary pokemon's version of the attack will be a cut above the regular version.

[@mlpfanboy1701]

For the drives instead of making them hold items they should be key items.

[@weduko9131]

Seeing this video I realise that LPA Shadow Force (100 power and drop the targets speed but raise evasion) and especially Legend plate judgement (changes the user and move type to be super effective against the opponent) would be OP in a classic game

[@StruppisSkyblockChannel]

Cosmic power raises a pokemon's defense and special defense by one stage, take heart is basically like calm mind with the status cure bonus!

[@robbymanable]

Imagine a Pokémon getting an ability where recharge moves don't need a turn to recharge. That would be the most broken ability especially on a legendary Pokémon

[@DawnLong-s3k]

Someone at GameFreak must really like Zygarde. It has FOUR signature moves; Land's Wrath, Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves, and Core Enforcer.

[@skillhunter4804]

take heart is calm mind, not cosmic power also phione has access to it too[and i think magearna has heart swap]

[@graysonbogert5288]

I've never thought about how to make dialga busted but a stab earthquake clone that set up trick room would instantly improve its singles and doubles viability

[@what.are.you.doing.stepbro]

Oh helll nahhhh. If ANY ability or ANY move sets up trick room as a side effect it's the most broken thing ever. Even if the user is a freaking magicarp

[@bananaspice1967]

Technoblast is actually pretty decent because it can give Genesect sneaky water coverage.

[@tonic9539]

Not just that doesn't it work like its ability and change to physical/special based on the targets stats?

[@bananaspice1967]

@@tonic9539 No, it's always a special move. They only implemented something like that from gen 7 onward.

[@tonic9539]

@@bananaspice1967 i just double checked and it turns out all they did was raise its power in gen 6 to 120 instead of 85.

[@bananaspice1967]

@@tonic9539 Yep, it's a good move now. Still niche however.

[@sebastianfernandezruiz5070]

Doom desire made usable special pivot jirachi in dragon spam, it was simple, you use doom desire, then u turn, then outrage in band dnite for example. It was a extremely solid strat that made people peak top 1 ladder in some metagames. This ranking cannot be taking seriously for this, and other examples such as thunder cage in A

[@thefirespecialist9007]

Roar of Time needs to be reduced in power; 120 (Or 100 to match Spacial Rend), have Negative Priority, and Force an Opponent to Switch Pokémon just like Roar's effect! That would be a great redesign for this move!

[@hedgehogpower194]

I didn't even knew Regigigas had a signature move lmao

[@codygurnick6405]

Oblivion Wing is sick. When I played thru Radical Red with random learnsets my mega charizard y learned it and was wild.

[@lordinfernape4753]

Doom Desire is kind of an underrated move in gen3 If you manage to build a team that allows Choice Band Jirachi to use Doom Desire multiple times, its really hard for the opponent to counter it cuz it has no resistances and its a rare Jirachi set I saw a battle on BKC's channel where an ADV OU Pro mansged to pull it off

[@BenjiAndStuff]

0:50 dang where’d you come up with that idea that’d be busted… it’d have to have the same priority as trick room though

[@Rickardo_Astley]

Have you ever heard of big boss and demon zygarde, big boss would d dance and sweep with thousand waves while demon would trap you without thousand waves if you were a bad matchup and then proceed to use coil to set up all while the other pokemon sits helpless