Every Lie Watchtower Tells About Shunning

[@altworldly]

Hey gang. EDIT: I sent the document to Jason Wynn at avoidjw.org, so it should be up there sometime soon. Also, Sorry for the delay! As I mentioned a few videos ago my plan is to upload less frequently, but to make the videos more substantial. Like this one. Let me know what sort of things you might want a deep dive into!

[@Whichwaynorway]

the king the legend is bacccc!!

[@ynks07]

I mean this in the most loving way possible - welcome back! You have such a great skill for this kind of work; absolutely fantastic video. ❤

[@reluctantheist5224]

Quality not quantity is fine by me.

[@mariuna5473]

Goal accomplished. Really well done. 👍🏽

[@timothysanfino4311]

Great video!

[@jasonchapman5202]

I was brought up as a JW. It wasn't until I reached the age of 35 that I had worked out it was all false. Well, this resulted in losing most of my JW family and all of my friends. I was married and had a 7 yr old son. My wife told me I had to find a place to live, even though I was equal on the mortgage. At 17yrs old my son got baptized as a Witness and told me he couldn't talk to me anymore. All I can say is, if a JW knocks on your door, politely and firmly tell them to put you on a " do not call" list. These guys will destroy you and your family just like a flick of a switch. They believe they have the only " true" religion and Jehovah will destroy everybody else at Armageddon. They dress nice but they are not nice.

[@ronhansen8471]

your situation is simple. Repent and turn around and regain your membership again. No one is guaranteed everlasting life. A person must endure to the end. All people who support false religion and the worlds political entities will find themselves on the wrong side of Jehovah God.

[@alyssawoodman]

@@ronhansen8471 This comment is disgusting. If you are a JW what are you doing watching and commenting on a apostate video? You know God can see you doing this right? So who says you will make it through Armageddon defying Jehovah like this?

[@kimbal1958]

@@ronhansen8471 - "Having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power." Your "eating from the table of Jehovah and partaking from the table of Demons" when watching apostate videos. What a hypocritical, two faced, double standard of a Christian you claim to be. It's no wonder your organization has a smeared God's good name. People like you only convince Apostates that they made the right choice.

[@ronhansen8471]

​@@kimbal1958 I do not watch apostate videos or entertain their viewpoints, but I am zealous for the truth of God's word the bible and very much dislike people denigrating Jehovah's organization, its members and its teaching. When it comes to apostate thinking I will not back down from it in fear but instead will do my best to set things straight as I know the truth and the JW Organization. I praise God's name Jehovah and let everyone know who he is and why we are called Jehovah's Witnesses. If you have a problem with that stand in line with the 7 plus billion people who dislike JWs

[@deejay1216]

@@ronhansen8471 you’re missing the whole point! His family should not be used as a tool for control!

[@adriancastelli2275]

I hated my childhood, I hated the book young people ask, I hated not celebrating my bday and all the other holidays. I was born into it and was baptized at 15 and I left at 18 (I'm 35 now)after seeing the horrible truth. I knocked on countless doors, stood around giving out magazines. My friends disowned me and family were demeaning me until I moved out. I found my way eventually but it wasn't easy. I had some great mentors that I still remember. Yes the world is horrible but I navigate it and protect myself. Stay up Ex JWs love yall.

[@jan75643]

Good for you!..❤

[@thegospelmessenger1corinth634]

As ambassadors for Christ we would like to share the gospel of our salvation in the dispensation of God's grace. “Grace can be defined as the undeserved favor of God for people who deserve His condemnation.” God does not hold sins against us because they have already been paid for (every sin for every person.) Christ was made to be everyone's-every-sin (2 Corinthians 5:21). However, full reconciliation is not achieved until an individual "reconciles himself" to God (2 Corinthians 5:20). This happens upon belief of the gospel of our salvation. All humanity is forgiven but not all believe it. Being forgiven does not equal being saved, salvation comes by faith. Salvation is appropriated by faith, forgiveness of sins is NOT. Your sins were forgiven regardless of your belief. God did not need your faith at Calvary, He only needed His Son. SALVATION is only gained by trusting Christ - via belief in the word of truth (the gospel of our salvation.) Salvation IS by works, just not our own. It is not of ourselves, but through the gift of God's grace that we are saved. Upon HEARING the gospel, if we BELIEVE the gospel, we are sealed with the holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14). A lost soul can only be saved by trusting Christ to have done everything necessary for our salvation though His finished cross-work. Romans thru Philemon are the only books in the bible that explain salvation for today. In those books we find salvation is by faith alone, in Christ alone, without-any-works-of-any-kind-at-anytime. Christ died for your sins, and has risen for your justification (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Put your faith in what He did rather than what you have done, are doing, or are going to do. Salvation is not getting-your-sins-forgiven, it's believing they already are. (2 Corinthians 5:19) Truth Time Radio, also on youtube and facebook, is here to help you better understand your bible and better articulate your faith to others.

[@thelthrythquezada8397]

My mom is still a JW, she converted when I was about a year. I hated it too, but now I don’t care much for them. I never really care for Halloween either, and Easter never made sense. Passover does just not the bunny rabit

[@dancingnature]

For Easter it’s just to get the chocolate bunny and the candy eggs and the peeps if you like them. We also got pretty new clothes for Easter so we kinda enjoyed the holiday as children.

[@lovefaith6285]

After I turned 11 a bible study was arranged for me by my mom with a sister and after we finished the first book I was asked if I was ready to be baptized. I knew the consequences of being disfellowshipped and knew I wasn't going to be perfect throughout my life and I replied, "I think I need to study another book." After 3 books and lots of annoying questions the sister I was studying with passed me over to someone else and they eventually just stopped studying with me. The pressure of getting baptized is definitely there in passive guilt/fear comments from parents and adults which is something that I had to hear from 11 years old until I moved away to another city. My elderly parents "witness" to me in a roundabout way and as always I politely decline.....it really wears you down when you just want to have a regular conversion with family that are heavily indoctrinated. Sometimes my mom will say things like, "I feel sorry for you because of what's going to happen to you when Armageddon comes."......🤦🙉 This is a really great video! 👏👏👏👏👏✌

[@shonaford250]

Good on you for being so aware. You could just answer next time, thanks and I feel sorry and sad for you. I worry how you will support yourself as Armageddon never comes.

[@depressedacorns]

I gave in to the pressure when I was 13 and I have never regretted a decision more in my life. Very happy for you that you stayed skeptical and didn't give in to the blatant peer pressure.

[@lovefaith6285]

@@depressedacorns I'm sorry to hear that. It was a definite struggle being young, unbaptized and having no interest in pioneering. My mom and I had a bad relationship because she was always forcing "spiritual food" down my throat. Even though I didn't know it was a cult I still had the "what if it's true" fear in my mind along with other religious traumas, anxiety/panic attacks and depression that I had as a result of being born-in. This organization really can mess you up mentally and emotionally.✌

[@lovefaith6285]

@@shonaford250 I absolutely hated talking to JW classmates at assemblies, meetings or the memorial after being gone for a while because the first thing they woul say is, "Have you gotten baptized? You know the world is going to end.." 🤦🙉🙉🙉 That just wore me out!

[@justinwatson1510]

I'm really sorry that you had to grow up with / live with parents like that. It is honestly really impressive how you chose to avoid being baptized

[@stevenhuntley8706]

I made it a point to not get baptized because I knew I was gonna leave. My aunt regularly talks about how "sad" it is that she can't talk to her son because he got baptized and then left, but I'm chill because I never got baptized. While I never got baptized I was homeless as a teen because of my choice to not get baptized. Because the person raising me left "for their spiritual health". Tell me normal family relations continue. Gaslighting at it's finest lol

[@stephstevens2]

I made the same choice. When I was a kid, my aunt was always around with my cousins, helping out. I loved her. She got disfellowshipped and suddenly we weren't even allowed to talk about her. That was a very good scare tactic for me to avoid getting baptised at all costs. I didn't like being a JW anyway, I didn't believe in it; I was lonely and no effort was ever enough. Thankfully I managed to get married to my long-term secret partner and move abroad.

[@beethimbles8801]

This hit me hard. It could literally be my husbands story. The same thing happened to him. We are now in our forties, happily married with kids of our own. I cannot conceive treating our sons the way my husband was treated. I’m so sorry for your hurt, but so glad you are free to be yourself.

[@michelleallen4585]

Same here "My Birth Parents" Are Shunning my Brothers, Who got Baptized at the age of 17.and did nothing wrong but left the Religion. But Talks to me, Who is Not Baptisted and Broke a lot of Commandments 😊 Make this Make Cense

[@ASMR_Orangely]

*My sister is disfellowshipped but we still talk to her. People saying that JWs dont talk to their disfellowshipped family members are talking sh*t.*

[@stevenhuntley8706]

@@ASMR_Orangely "my experience is the only possible experience, anyone who experienced anything different is obviously lying" Sure, buddy.

[@paradiselost1914]

At age 16, I stopped going to meetings. My mother packed up my belongings and told me I had to leave. So I quit school and got jobs to survive on my own. My mother made sure everyone I knew shunned me. She, my brother and friends have not spoken to me since she kicked me out 40+ years ago.

[@georgebrown8312]

I am sorry to hear of you being shunned and for the awful way your mother treated you. I hope she has woken up to see the error of her ways.

[@paradiselost1914]

@@georgebrown8312 She's still in the JW cult. She's only loyal to her masters. She is just waiting to see me possibly in Paradise?

[@Alyse_bell]

I am sorry that you had to go through that. If their version of God truely exists he’s not worth worshipping if he expects his members to treat their children this way.

[@valerieburgess5047]

This is the same for me how does a 15 year old girl make it on her own???? I promise you it was Very Very hard.And now days would be child abuse for sure.Who can you trust???at 15 No one.... Your a walking confused target.

[@paradiselost1914]

@@VB-ff1dr Wow.

[@suzannep]

I think as exJW many of us probably shunned someone while we were still JW, and the reasons why I shunned people had nothing to do with my own free choice, I shunned people because I was told to. Watchtower tries to claim disfellowshipping and the shunning it entails is no different from an individual who cuts of relations with someone who irritates them or harms them, but that is not true. There are people who I whole heartedly cut contact with because they abused me, that was a choice from within myself, it was what I chose to do for my own emotional health. In contrast, when I shunned disfellowshipped people it was never from a place of wanting to do it, if the organization had not been pressuring me to do it in order to keep my relationships with god and the congregation I never would have shunned any of those people. They did nothing offensive or wrong to me, I had no reason to cut off friendship, I wished every time I saw them that I could talk to them and hang out with them, but I was indoctrinated to think god would punish me if I talked to them or that I could be shunned myself if I talked to them, or that I would be endangering them by risking their eternal life if I didn't enact the "godly discipline". The Watchtower or JW claim that shunning is a personal choice is a lie, being threatened to do something does not make it your choice if you comply to avoid the harm. A teller at a bank that is being robed puts the money in the bag and hands it over to the thief out of fear, because they are being threatened, no one thinks that the teller did it of their own free will and would have done it regardless of if the thief was there or not. The JW organization is holding a "weapon" pointed at every member, they are threatening loss of relationship with god, subsequent loss of life, and the threat of being shunned themselves, the members are like that bank teller for the most part, following the organizations orders to avoid extreme consequences that are created by the organization.

[@michelleturrey]

well said.

[@stephstevens2]

I completely agree. I remember having to shun my friend's dad who had always been so kind to me, because he was disfellowshipped. I was only 5 at the time. Do you really think I would have cut him out by myself? Nonsense. One of many shunned. No idea why any of them were shunned so how could I make my own mind up about whether or not I thought they were good company to keep or not?.

[@suzannep]

@@stephstevens2 That is a very good point, none of us hardly ever knew why someone what announced, they could have been doing any number of things that we really wouldn't give a crap about but the elders decided they should get kicked out, or they could have simply said "enough I'm done with this religion", nothing to shun someone over.

[@Axrover]

I was expelled and I have stopped talking to expelled members, not because the GB told me, but because the Bible says to quit mixing in the company of anyone who calling themselves a brother engages in certain activity and refuses to stop. Not even talking to such a man or woman (paraphrased).

[@Axrover]

@@vusimngomezulu2500 as far as I know. I've seen some churches trying ro preach door to door and in public here in sfla. But it didn't take. Even the Mormons don't have the reach JWs have. There are few areas they haven't reached and they are working on fixing that issue

[@missinterpretation4984]

IDK what their 800 page diversion is going to be but I was baptized at 16, married at 20 and realized I didn’t believe the JWs anymore at 30. My friends, family and in laws absolutely shun me. As it’s Christmas, my mother in law will have all the family to her home to not celebrate together and my husband will have to decide if he’ll go and leave his wife alone or if he’ll miss out on seeing his entire family that he’s very close with. That’s reality. I always tell him to go see his family and not worry about me because I don’t want to put him through that. And that’s the case for every family event. They shun, they destroy people, they destroy relationships. And frankly I did it too when I was a member.

[@tamraholmes3082]

I thought I would miss the family, nope! I miss their toxicity. We had good times & I cherish my memories, but I don't miss it - the shaming & talking bad about others. It's all fake and pretentious. Good for you being ok with him going. Stay strong.

[@BuddyLee23]

Damn, you must be a very strong person to endure that. My wife and I differ on our politics and I thought that was tough to deal with!

[@ksmk8]

I remember about 10 was when I was told I asked too many questions because they couldn’t answer me other than have faith. When I finally pushed through the “you can’t go to college” and started coming back with even more questions I was told the devil was trying to stumble me. After a horrific experience in disciplinarian committee I couldn’t stay anymore. Being 21 and disassociating myself was so hard. I lost my family, the majority of my friends, my job because I worked for other J W. My father specifically warned me I would never see my little brother if I didn’t change my decision. Luckily after 16 years my parents decided to let that go to be able to be family with my daughter and I.

[@brett703]

I feel you I left 3 months ago it’s hard I just turned 22 and I feel so lost at times. But making taking it one day at a time.

[@nightwalker2350]

I pray ,dont let the faults of the JW organization keep you from having a relationship with Jesus, ive seen to many times people being so damaged by the organization , that they completly reject the bible.

[@ksmk8]

@@brett703 other people may not understand but you are brave and will have a great life ahead.

[@ksmk8]

@@nightwalker2350 that’s because they showed us all other religion is lies and once you realize so is theirs, you free yourself to live without lies.

[@randyg666]

It really sucks we had to go through such things. Hope you're good now.

[@Radrook353]

I knew absolutely NOTHING about Disfellowshipping until three weeks AFTER baptism. The person who was supposed to inform me chose to smugly reveal that sordid detail at that time.

[@seeriousli8169]

honestly curious, how did you make it to a point of baptism without even hearing of disfellowshipping?

[@alexiabliese8935]

The most conditional “love” ever.

[@bieliviachannel]

I remember an incident when I was around 12 where a girl I knew (also a teen) was sexually assaulted by multiple teen boys. Obviously I was horrified hearing this, but what came next was the adult women in my life standing in a circle in the kitchen condemning her, confirming that it was her own fault. "A good girl wouldn't stay in a room with boys alone". From that moment, I knew for certain that if anything like that ever happened to me, I would NOT come forward. Think about whether you want this life for your children before you join Jehovah's Witnesses. She was probably one of the teen girls who got disfellowshipped for "sexual immorality" that he's talking about in the video

[@SilliesrShark109]

That’s fucking repulsive!

[@GarethWilleygmcGareth]

I got a horrible flashback when you mentioned Young People Ask. That book fucked me up as a teen. I eventually went to a school counciler about my issues and felt so much better after one session that I did reading those two books multiple times.

[@checkthefacts.]

That book was awful,a teenage mind screw.

[@jana731]

What was it all about? Like can you name examples? I was never a JW so I'm kinda curious...

[@Geohovahs_Hand]

The awful chapter on Masturbation didn't work for me. Now I do it guilt free.

[@GarethWilleygmcGareth]

@@jana731 If you Google the book, you can download it and look for yourself. But essentially, it makes you feel wrong and guilty about such small things. It was a book designed to make you feel guilty and dirty about such natural and innocent things.

[@GarethWilleygmcGareth]

@@Geohovahs_Hand Yep. That was the worst one for me personally, too.

[@lorilee1931]

What a quality video. I never knew their sources were so shady. I'm just starting to learn so much about the cult I was born into. Thank you, Jake.

[@lorilee1931]

@@professormartyrdomtruth Hi, do you know something about him that we don't? If yes, why not let us know?

[@TallKulWmn1]

@@professormartyrdomtruth Mmm I can almost feel your forked tongue as you flick it against my earlobe while hissing ‘aaapossstassssy’ Get away from me you minion of Satan! 💥

[@lorilee1931]

@@murdoc-is-god I noticed. Thank you.

[@lorilee1931]

@@professormartyrdomtruth thank you for the warning, but I don't plan to follow another cult.

[@lorilee1931]

@joepublisher166 couldn't agree more.

[@lynbattersby]

While I was told that I'd be shunned as a result of disfellowshipping/disassociating myself, nobody *NOBODY* told me that my children would be shunned too. The way they were treated after I left disgusted both me and my ex-husband.

[@joshuawayneyork]

I have never seen a more genuine KZbin apology than the one you gave in your latest video. Don't let that hater get to you, fuck him/her, we know you're a good guy, everyone makes mistakes, you owned up to yours and are working towards improving your life. I hope to see you when/if you come back.

[@matrixnavigator6669]

It's great to hear you applying and articulating basic common sense to all of this. Before the internet, I could have these same kinds of thoughts, myself, but to hear others talk about it is very healing. This is why this religion doesn't want people to become educated because education builds critical thinking skills and makes it easy for people to see through the BS.

[@starrgod7671]

🎯🎯🎯

[@jackijax505]

Spot on!! 🤜🏻🤛🏻💪🏼

[@LE-pq3lu]

What a perfect rebuttal! It's clear much time and work went into this. It shows. Keep up the good work Jake!

[@Jexit2020]

Absolutely superb video. The quality of the research and presentation is worthy of a professional journalist.

[@thrumyeyesmt.6344]

Thank you for your time. I am a grandma of 12 raised 10 children I am on the books as a “Pioneer “ I have gone to pioneer school 3 times but …….after the situation of the medical decision they decided for me . They got in the way of me doing my Fathers Work. I’m Out. I have children and grandchildren I’m trying to help . More to this Story . I wanted to say thank You for Being So Brave!!! I Love You! I left the Organization I’ll Never leave YHWH. I’ll probably get did fellowshiped. I’m Ready . 💕😔♥️☝️🦋🥰

[@thrumyeyesmt.6344]

Oh by the way my Elder Son made me move out of the little tiny house He Built for me!!! I was Homeless and my inactive Daughter took me in… It was the medical situation in 2020… Booted out because of MY View of the Vax .

[@thrumyeyesmt.6344]

Because I wouldn’t believe in the GB and I said they make mistakes…

[@thrumyeyesmt.6344]

They haven’t cornered me Yet! I’ll play their game to get my my beautiful family back to the True YHWH and washed them of their cult garbage. ( ask me how I really feel?!?, maybe not.)

[@markmello1366]

Am curious, what did they interfere with? This sounds interesting

[@thrumyeyesmt.6344]

@@markmello1366 it’s a long story. ….. I said enough. Who needs details?

[@feeli7]

Thank you so much for your content! I have binge watched everything i could find against the organisation for the past week. It has helped me tremendously to cope with my childhood. I had so many memories brought back, that I buried inside me, because I couldn't deal with or understand it at the time. I've been out of the cult for ten years, i left and totally wanted to forget everyting and start a new life. The only reason my family stayed in contact with me, is because I was never baptised. Just now, I made the decision to start researching this "religion" and everything that is wrong with it. It was heart wrenching to realise, that i was raised by a bunch of lies. My family still are strong believers and I just wish, that i could open their eyes. I have just started with trauma therapy, but when the trauma has healed, I want to support others that leave or want to leave the organisation.

[@Sam9Born]

im infuriated... when i disassociated my mom went as far as go to court to get me evicted the day i turned 18

[@michelleturrey]

uhhhhhhh!!!! have hope i was a evil mother too, pray she wakes up! i pray for forgiveness.

[@morningglory9288]

Absolutely shocking. What a disgusting horrible mother you have, some people should never be parents.😡

[@Sam9Born]

@@michelleturrey hmm knowing my mother (who is kinda not so smart) she wouldnt have the brains to think for herself sadly... But thank you very much for the encouragement

[@changecomesfromwithin7377]

That could be from the pressure your mum may have felt from the "groupthink" to appear spiritual.

[@markmello1366]

Saw your latest video. Although I’m really gonna miss your content, I completely understand. As soon as I found your channel, I binged the f out of it. You’re highly articulate, and you have a magnetic personality. It’s no wonder people reached out to you, because honestly, i think we can all use a Jake in our lives. But in reality, we can really only hold on to and really be there for a few. Whoever your real friends are, they are blessed. Whatever that means. Your channel has helped me keep some sanity while leaving, as I’m sure it has helped others. I guess it’s good to know the toll that it was taking on you. Please don’t be overwhelmed by the current circumstances; it’s all part of growing. I hope your healing process will allow you to come back healthy and continue as a creator of some more content. And one more thing, you’ve allowed me to be comfortable with being an LCD Sound System fan

[@Bonesinbloom]

Re: Legal Precedents: An example of the law of upholding something we find to be wrong is Plessy v Ferguson where the US Supreme Court ruled that segregation laws didn't violate the 14th amendment's equal protection clause. So, just because a country has ruled that something is acceptable, doesn't mean that thing isn't also harmful. We can only hope that the Norwegian decision sets its own precedent and those countries that once ruled in favor of JWs shunning practices come to realize the harm it causes, that it's a violation of human rights, and then overturn those cases.

[@altworldly]

Fantastic point!

[@ShieAyla]

My mother married a divorced JW. We were all disfellowshipped for like 2 YEARS. I WAS SEVEN! I realized right then that I didn't want to be JW for myself. I never changed my mind, and they TRIED pressuring me into being baptized. It was always creepy and I hated it.

[@bubgerkirg]

I have to say this is one of your best videos, I keep coming back to it and I recommend it to anyone trying to concisely explain how disfellowshipping works and how it isn’t something people knowingly “agree” to.

[@michaelkirakossian2282]

Wishing you the best man. Thanks for helping so many through tough times. Focus on you. Many battle through some sort of addiction. Just a matter of taking the right steps and you are. Better than can be said for a good chunk of people. Wish you and Jarbin the best.

[@CoffeeAddictEvan]

100%

[@ibettch4122]

So what they're saying is that if a person is disfellowshipped, their families and friends are held hostage until the person is reinstated. Then this means they have no freedom of choice. 🤪

[@CoffeeAddictEvan]

Oh, they do have freedom of choice They can choose to either obey the org and shun the disfellowshipped person, or die at Armageddon That's seriously what they believe It's what I used to believe

[@ASMR_Orangely]

Here in Italy disfellowshipped family members are NOT shunned. They are still considered inside the family.

[@stevenlopez2731]

Fantastic video. Thank you for all the effort out into this. Very informative and well done. Enjoyed every second.

[@Valeria-uc9qv]

How easy it is for Watchtower to change the truth about shunning when it suits them. They are such hypocrites! The harm that is done to people is so terrible. Twisting the truth is lying!

[@qwandary]

I'm lucky to have never been shunned; in fact, despite being a baptised person, the rationale for my leaving was so in line with their teachings that they actually supported me. I suppose I found a loophole as I've never met anyone else with that experience, even those from the same congregation. (Cue survivor guilt) Anyway, it pisses me off that they say shunning is a choice. One of my strongest and most confusing childhood memories was seeing a 'new' woman at the congregation and, after the meeting running over to lovebomb her, as JWs tend to do. She looked TERRIFIED, and kept looking around for help. Then some sisters pulled me aside and quietly said I couldn't talk to her. I don't know if they fully explained it, but at that time, I didn't believe JWs shunned in the way outsiders said we did, so this seemed completely out of nowhere. This woman continued attending meetings, remaining silent, & leaving immediately after every meeting, with no one even LOOKING at her. After a few months, the elders had an announcement; someone was reinstated. And immediately, she burst out crying; everyone looked at her, relieved and then began love-bombing her. I didn't engage that time as I was confused and probably a bit scared. The whole thing was fucked up, and I did NOT have a choice in being part of her shunning. I was made to. If I chose to ignore it, I probably would have gotten in trouble, maybe shunned myself. She was a fantastic person, a ray of sunshine, a bright, intelligent, kind, and excitable person; I don't think she ever belonged in that religion. Her dad was an elder, and she probably had no contact with any family members while she was 'in the world', doing what? Having a fucking career. That's all she did, as far as I could learn anyway. I worry the cult will continue to drain her until she's miserable and stiff like her mother and self-loathing like her father. If it was a personal choice of conscience, then why did a child get forced to shun an obviously repentant person doing their best? Disgusting behaviour. (Also, in writing this, I realise I probably had a queer crush on her, repressed by the cult. lol)

[@sarahjones6323]

It’s awful that they pressure kids (whether intentional or not) to make a lifelong commitment about something they can’t possibly have the capacity to understand at a young age, and then they’re trapped forever. IMHO, they shouldn’t be allowed to get baptized until legal adulthood (age 18), but that would have to be implemented by the organization, and I don’t see them doing that-too risky that they’d lose control. 😠

[@starrgod7671]

I believe having their hooks in generations of families is very intentional.

[@CharChar876]

And think of the age Jesus git baptized, he was experienced and a mature age.

[@kittylove2975]

"The Things"... Wishing you and your wife all the best.🍀

[@garylong8487]

Awesome, awesome job Jake. This is where you shine!

[@Acrobat888]

This is absolutely excellent !!!! v. little mocking and so can be safely shown to JWs with "doubts" keep up the good work and thank you, loads of information.

[@GG-xo1zr]

Thanks Jake, I don't feel alone when I watch your information sessions. I can attest to being dis-fellowshipped means being cut off.

[@paradisefound3536]

He's back! Hope you're well! You were missed.

[@williamsawyer9894]

Excellent effort...excellent results.

[@TheHudsonValleyWanderer]

Did he just compare getting a drivers license to selling your soul to the cult!? 🤣The governing body has taken their delusions to the next level (haha)

[@Normanclegg1]

But you can surrender your drivers license and not get shunned, he missed that part

[@TheHudsonValleyWanderer]

@@Normanclegg1 and now they're actually slowly easing up on the shunning policy with their recent updates to it

[@steveandsherilyn7543]

Hello Jake, Steve here from the U.K. First I want to say THANK YOU SO MUCH for your hard work and commitment in making this video. As a former JW of over 40 years I can confirm that what you say in this video about the Watchtower Society is absolutely true. They are extremely deceitful, not just to the outside world, but to their members. When I started to question my beliefs in 2018 I researched quotes from scholars and scientists in their publications and saw how often they misrepresented and misquoted them, taking their words out of context to make it seem like the scholars/scientists etc were in agreement with them. It was the final nail in the coffin for my belief in them being Gods spokespeople on earth. God would not use anybody who were deceitful to represent him for anything. Unfortunately I was too traumatised at the time to document any of my findings, however, I have included a link below to a video that shows such deception and encourage everybody ESPECIALLY current JW’s to watch it, it is taken from Watchtowers own publications with any relevant proof linked. I want to forward this video of yours to legal authorities and wonder if you could provide contact info for any. I have liked this video and encourage all to do the same. Thank you again Jake and keep up the good work. Link to aforementioned video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYqno4SXmrqgoLM

[@zemuellerz]

Brilliant work Jake - well worth the immense effort you’ve obviously put in.

[@respectcat12]

Thank you bro. I was glued to this incredible video to the end. Stay blessed

[@Radrook353]

They will shun you based on malicious gossip spread by malicious gossipers. These gossipers will gossip via communicating with any congregation that the targeted person might want to relocate to. They will follow the person to the ends of the earth with their gossip and their gossip is given credit and the unofficial shunning will then resume at the other location. So this shunning practice isn't limited those who are officially deemed worthy of shunning. They brandish it as a powerful weapon on an unofficial basis and can make attendance and membership unofficially a veritable hell.

[@jezebeldarkness5065]

My brother also killed himself because he never felt that his baptism was the right decision- rather one enforced by both our mother and the “elders and Kingdom Hall”. He saw the hell I went through when I separated myself from the cult- albeit by disfellowshipping. I myself was married to an abusive elder not only abuse towards me including rape, but then he turned his wrath to my teenage daughter- which lit my fire as a mother, abusing me was bad enough, but he was not going to turn that to my daughter. He was addicted to porn and an alcoholic. But that resulted in the elders turning a blind eye to what he did and how he treated me over many years. He is still an elder, remarried and had to agree to become an elder in an Asian language where “the need was great”. My brother saw the way my mother shunned me, and he couldn’t fathom his mother doing that to him. The worst part, his wife covered up his suicide by not allowing an autopsy and having him immediately cremated. That “religion”- CULT is a disease that needs a swift stop put to it. It’s sickening the hurt and deaths that they are “bloodguilty” for.

[@hikerliz]

Excellent video. Thanks you for doing the research

[@nightwalker2350]

my marriage was destroyed by the watchtower.

[@michelleturrey]

mine too. tears

[@jackijax505]

Ditto .. twice!

[@cotyczaja3329]

Thank you for this video, I watched all the way through with everything you were saying. From my research personally I definitely noticed they use these same tactics and taking things out of context prove a lot of their beliefs one of those things being the cross. I was raised Jehovah's witness but thankfully never got baptized into it held a grudge for years because I was kicked out of a friend's wedding but still believe in the teaching. It wasn't until I started doing my own research and watching videos like yours but I really started to try to figure out the truth about things. So thank you again!

[@bradybunch92]

You are brilliant! Your videos are pure gold!

[@danielgadberry7651]

Thank you for the wonderful video. Over the last couple of years I’ve started to search out information like this on KZbin. It’s been incredibly healing the watch and also read the comments from other ex JW’s. As all of us know we’re left with some serious scars after being raised in this cult of a religion.

[@EdsCollegeLife]

Amazing! Altworldy thank you for taking the time to produce this content! I can see you've been working hard the writing is great! 10/10

[@juliehigbee7398]

Great content and well delivered

[@jeanniejewel2272]

In the picture with the girl who is disfellowshipped standing next to the door in the kingdom hall the door looks like a jail cell door. Thank you atworldly for your continued activism.

[@gisella1350]

Thank you so much, another winner. This Organization is TOXIC, left a long time ago, a good decision.

[@grammargoddessNYC]

Award-winning content here!! Jake, thank you for all your hard work and advocacy!!!! 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@anikenmoonwalker]

This is such a very thorough, and important video. THANK YOU for shedding light on their mental abuse.

[@MichaelYoder1961]

Great breakdown of a very long document, Jake. In Scientology, SP (Suppressive Persons) are disconnected - same thing as shunning. No one is supposed to talk to them - they are PTS (Potential Trouble Source). In JW lingo "stumbling". Plus - the accent was perfect - you need to do theatre or stand up or some such. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

[@hopeimfunny]

Excellent video. I listen to a lot of exjw youtube. This video is my new go-to to explain to uninitiated people precisely why the church is so toxic.

[@samuelchadwick7560]

Great video! Really appreciate your hard work

[@szkola-inwestowania-walen]

It is breaking human rights, no doubt about it.

[@GirlGeekLovesStampin]

Outstanding presentation! Both fair and reasonable. I hope my deepest friends still there will watch this.

[@dawnbehatin1224]

WoW! EXCELLENT PRESENTATION! This was a tremendous amount of work. I appreciate you so much!

[@whadis404]

I hope they don’t get away with this dossier of lies!! They don’t deserve money or govt support/funding

[@ellengarr9781]

This is a great collection and expose. And that cult apologist group they use for proof text is fascinating.

[@bieliviachannel]

The loophole where you never get baptized so you can't be disfellowshipped, that's how I can still talk to my family. It's messed up, but there's no other way I can think of to still talk to your family without themselves getting in trouble. There is a catch, of course, they must be preaching to you when they see you (because if they preach to you they aren't technically doing wrong, they can justify it that way) The pressure to get baptized was certainly on me, but I was always viewed as bad and unsavory so I'm sure no one was surprised I didn't do it 😂 They don't realize that by making you feel bad they're literally driving you away

[@planetx5269]

You did a great job on this video. I never joined it but did associate with them and even went out to the field with them a few times. There are some really great people in the organization and I agree with their ideas on heaven and hell which some other religions have too, but in general their ideas ruined my marriage and my life. I was confused and didn't have much self esteem and this really didn't help. Thank you for helping people and please get back to me 🙂.

[@iguana6513]

Great video, very informative and well explained. My maternal grandparents and a large chunk of other family are JW and it has led to immense family trauma that now as a free thinking adult, has ruined my relationship with them. My mother was broken from their mentality, and I had to emotionally care for her as I got older. I had a lot of harmful mindsets placed in me as they took me to church and tried evil tactics to try and convert my brother and I starting from birth. Shunning is absolutely a massive part of the JW community and tore apart aspects of my family as well. It is disrespectful that they would even claim to not know of shunning existing in their community when they are the ones who crafted it. Anyways, real meat and potatoes of my comment is the discomfort and shock I felt recognizing Holly Folk from WWU. She is an active professor at WWU, a university that I went to and still live in the town of. I'm really disgusted and wildly uncomfortable that she is wrapped up in all of this. I saw your newest video, Jake, and wish you an immense amount of power finding yourself this year onwards. Every member of my family has been completely BROKEN being exJW. As you said, it's hard going into a world that was so different from your own and making mistakes as a grown adult that "teens would be expected to make" and would be forgiven for. I've seen some people come out as really good people after 15-20 years of wrestling with themselves. It's an active battle, and while I don't know the full story, I wish you ultimate recovery and I am with you. I am glad to hear you are connecting yourself with therapy, and hope it helps immensely. I hope to be strong enough to send these findings to the WWU school board/Bellingham newspaper to try and take action against Holly being an active professor... But I'm not sure if I have the mental strength to handle this at this time. And it's somehow hard for me to believe that they didn't know about her activity in all this in some capacity.... I have a lot to reflect on. Thank you for the effort you put into this, it's something that touched many people and I would not have known about this otherwise.

[@teresa6387]

I’ve studied with a JW for some months a while ago, when we got to the topic of disfellowshipping I opened up a debate, that was the moment I realized there was no way I could do this- I wasn’t even studying to become a JW, I just find the religion intriguing, yet it was still too much to bear

[@stephenletsnot6195]

Excellent research sir, excellent points 👍 Those religions that frown on independent research have something to hide 😳 To use a biblical quote “For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed”.

[@dawnbehatin1224]

Since we can not comment on your last video, I just wanted to say that it's important to fix your personal life. We will miss u while you're gone. No matter what you've done, do not allow yourself to be bullied or blackmailed. Hurry back!!

[@matrixnavigator6669]

Yes, that's some scary stuff that someone has accessed your personal information. Take care of yourself first, but don't be tricked again into believing that your voice does not deserve to be heard. Whoever is threatening you in this way has their own issues. Be aware there are scams too, where you get sent random texts from an anonymous number saying they have personal info on you and threaten to expose it if you don't pay them a certain amount of money. It's a sick scam that's been going around lately. Not sure if this fits into that category, but make sure you're saving evidence, as you might need it. These types of incidents are called "extortion scams" and you can and should file a police report about them, as they are a form of illegal harassment.

[@billthepimo]

Great work Jake. Your videos always have an easy presentation of complex info

[@homebuthiding7925]

This was so well done! Thank you for investing the time to produce and provide accurate information in a positive way!😊❤

[@deveraalmestica5838]

I was going to get baptized by the Catholic church and then back out . I really not in to religion. I read the bible and i believe in God and the saints but I'm not ready to be baptized. And i had a talk with dad . He supports my decision. My family Catholic and the other half of my family are in other religions. we respect each other .

[@MasterJosh5511]

Not one to comment on videos such as these, but as someone who raised as a JW and was baptised only two years ago (27), i wish that i knew then what it takes to leave this religion back then when i was going through the questions... all the times i was "encouraged" (sure as hell felt like being pushed) not once was i told if i wanted to leave one day it would mean giving everything up, i suppose that's my fault for not reading the fine print, but my life ive lost almost everything for taking a stand against this religion and its cost me nothing short of my life.. i wouldnt wish what i'm going through on a daily bases on my worst enemy. 😔😢

[@isabellabradshaw2341]

omgosh! this is my favorite of your videos so far :) Thank you jake!!!

[@antoniosimilia]

Im 20 minutes in so far and just want to say, "Jeez man! Incredible work!" Could not imagine the time and effort that you must have put forth on this. Its a great breakdown already. Looking forward to finishing. For all of us exjws's out here your representing I gotta say thanks. Worst corporation in the world IMO, I hope for their fall off everyday.

[@alfred5048]

Excellent. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

[@stewartking4928]

Oh you’re back! I wondered where you had gone. Great.

[@Rupunzelsawake]

Thanks for this, Jake. Wow..they only had two reinstated jws say how "loving" shunning is. Two!!!! That's pathetic! Regarding the quote you read, she said she had "limited contact" with her jw family and friends, rather than absolute shunning. What she described is more in line with the limited association connected with "marking," not disfellowshipping.

[@badbadallgood]

bc i was “spiritually sick”, my parents refused to teach me how to drive and when i left home, it was one of the many skills that was withheld from me bc i left prematurely. it’s very sick edit: i was 10 when i got baptized and was the youngest at the convention. sooooo yeah.

[@michellereese9774]

Absolutely awesome job with this! Thank you!

[@kc1t663]

Thanks for all the work you put in 🥰👍😁

[@punk2pasture]

I don't know how I found your channel but I'm so happy I did. Maybe it was the big guy up in the sky, the J-Dogg himself 😂😂😂. I look forward the going through your back catalogue and absorbing all your contact. I don't know if you are on the spectrum or if you are around someone who is but I am and the way you speak with a matter of fact and almost keep you opinions and feelings out of it is exactly what I have been looking for. Thank you so much for this and I am sure all your videos last and future.

[@alyssapatmore2747]

Well done Jake!!👊🏻

[@Nicholas_S]

Hey bro. Just watched your new video. You are being very hard on yourself. The shame comes from the organization. Keep your head up man. I never expected you to be perfect.

[@paumiam8742]

I love the high quality of your videos, one can tell that you did your research. To me this is the best JW related channel out here, and even if it's not its still my favorite.

[@cain2655]

Good work kid keep putting out videos. The tide is turning.

[@robynbass9636]

Thank-you Jake - extremely well said - spot on.

[@SoCalDork]

I was 5th generation JW, and can tell you the trauma I faced was unbearable when I tried to leave in my early 20’s and was manipulated to stay in the cult by my parents. I grew so depressed and su*cidal over the next 10 years because of this, before finally waking up and leaving in early 2019. I still don’t have any contact with my relatives or former friends, and it’s taken years of therapy to reconcile this. That’s to say nothing of the pressure from the organization itself and other members. The amount of propaganda members are exposed to about this make it abundantly clear that JWs are expected to shun former members.

[@TreC587]

I appreciate how you changed the color scheme of the magazine photo in the thumbnail 🥰

[@johnnysaunders1]

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT VIDEO - thank you

[@rainydays1105]

Excellent work. Thanks for your video.

[@perryanderson5327]

True unity is based on a common goal, and allows individuals to voluntarily come together in hopes of furthering that ideal. Conformity, on the other hand, has a punitive aspect - punishment for noncomliance. If unity is kept through fear of consequence, it has crossed a line

[@cthoadmin7458]

As someone who is not a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses, I am curious to understand why they make such strategic long-term investments in property even though they believe that the end of the world is imminent. I have never understood this, especially given the confidence with which church elders make predictions about the end of the world on specific dates, which never come to pass. What do the church elders REALLY believe?

[@luvanime1986]

Ik I'm 9 months late posting, but this is such a great topic and the fact that my experience is pre-1982 rules when I've been told the shunning rules got tougher. My father and stepmother started studying when I was around 5-6, back about 1967-8 and my older brother and I had to study with a sister in the orange Paradise book, then the small blue Truth Everlasting book, then the red Revelation book (which is what probably got me interested in psychedelics in high school! LOL) and so on. I remember always wondering why in the world the sister would put a shawl on her head every lesson and it took awhile to actually learn why. When we started the Truth book, we also had to learn all the names of the bible books in order. Eventually my little brother joined us (he was an infant at the divorce, so came later) and there were 3 brothers about 2 years apart each. My older brother was pressured to get baptized when he was 16 like "are you doing bad things so that's why you don't get baptized?" My older brother was the first born male so he was favorite of my father and he never tried to cause trouble. His punishments could be harsh, but not near as bad as my younger brother and I had. We grew up in extreme violence, beatings, knotted horsewhips, lumber, palm stove burnings, electrocutions, etc. Under pressure my older brother decided to get baptized at the next circuit assembly (do they still have those? Or just district assemblies?). The following year they came to me and I said I wasn't ready and that I wanted to think about it more. Well, that was not the correct answer and the next day after school my stepmother started yelling about what was my problem and pulled out her favorite toy, a Picana, a 1950-1960's made electric cattle prod not built like the wimpy ones they have in the last 50 years or so, this hurt like hell and she loved keeping the handle compressed which kept the juice flowing. After one of the sessions I looked like I had chicken pox as my whole chest would be covered in small round red marks where the heat from the electrical shock would burn the skin. That and numerous strikes with a razor strap, which thankfully broke soon afterwards, pretty much made me finally cave and I was baptized at the upcoming circuit assembly. Fortunately, we wore a t-shirt with our swim trunks and my stepmother went easy on my upper body during the couple weeks prior to the circuit assembly so burns and bruises were less likely to be seen by others. I was disfellowshipped in 1981 for smoking, 2 years after I stopped attending any kingdom hall meetings. When the worst elder of All happened to be the one to call me and tell me I had to attend a meeting of the judicial committee but refused to say what I was accused of, I inform this elder that all I had to do was drop my drawers and bend over so he could kiss my arse! Oh, and never to f'ing call me again. Within 10 minutes, his brother called, who was a nice elder that I actually liked. But I said why in 2 years you people never thought to call me, yet when you think you have something to bust me on, then you call. I said that doesn't sound like shepherding the flock does it? I said look, I have found all religions full of hypocrisy therefore I believe in none until sufficient proof is provided to show me it's true. In that instant I lost almost all of my witness friends (some still liked to party), my parents which I couldn't give a rat's arse, and the funniest thing is that the first ones to ignore me, were those elders teenagers who went out with me and partied doing everything imaginable and a couple even vandalized rich people's cars which was not my thing, but hey I was young and they paid for most of the shit we partied on so what did I care. (There are many things in my past which my son knows about but has also been told how stupid doing certain things are and I'm proud to say he a great responsible kid) The JW shunning practice is one of the cruelest things any group can do to members, I've seen first hand how it's torn families apart, alienated kids and parents, friends, etc. It did nothing adverse to my family as only my father and stepmother were members. My older brother attended meetings in order to maintain his relationship with our half sister who he was close to, but I only learned only his murder that he was gay and had come out to my father which was horrible and not a story for now. It was not the worst for me, but having a "normal" family is something I used to wish I could have had. The JW religion did not create the monsters my parents were, but it did feed into their feelings of the rightness of their actions. When the State took my younger brother away because of showing up to school with large portions of his body in massive bruises, the elders met with my parents and at least one of the cops (that I actually witnessed) and yet nothing happened to my parents, not by the elders nor by the law. He was taken away and everything swept under the rug. It took me 4 years to find my brother. Thanks for this post. Even if it is now 9 months old, it is still relevant knowledge. I hope there comes a day when this religion takes a dive into oblivion if I had my way. Shunning is an immoral practice plain and simple. Sorry for being so long-winded.

[@princemushkin2296]

Thank you for your hard work on this Jake ❤

[@Hankubya]

Love you AltWorldly!

[@erikahammer4337]

Glad to see you back! Was getting worried!

[@gamom1]

@altworldly you did a great job Jake! Was worried about you and hopefully you are doing well. Thank you for your hard work.

[@ron4498]

More documented evidence that proves the god of the bible named Jehovah, is a FAKE god, and we on this earth are all being deceived . kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKGcXmmEqrN-b8U

[@mackiepimo-jwjones3019]

The way they treat you like you're dead is so unloving. It's all about loyalty, not love.

[@fritz4359]

The branding of anything that contradicts their beliefs as apostate even if brought forward by someone who has never been a JW is their mind control techniques