Every MCU Phase Four Project RANKED (Worst to Best)

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[@kevina.2269]

If you didn't watch Hawkeye why are you ranking it? That's pretty dumb 18:40 now I'm doubting you even watched Black Panther. Even the government was looking for Riri Williams, she wasn't funded by the government to make the machine.

[@kevina.2269]

Maybe you didn't get the payoff of the premise from Moon Knight because you never finished it... It devalues your videos if you're ranking content you never bothered to finish consuming.

[@vervanta]

hawkeye was seriously the best disney plus show and the best thing to come out of phase 4 (which overall was really bad) and you didn’t even watch it, you completely dismissed it.

[@slimfluw101]

Doctor Strange 2 was just as bad and as disappointing as Love and Thunder and Spider-Man NWH what they did with doctor strange in those two movies especially coming off his solo movie and infinity war was disastrous phase 4 was mediocre at best Shang-chi and or black panther are the best movies that came out in phase 4

[@BthIX]

Finish Moon Knight, the last 2 episodes are the best and deliver on the premise. And as everyone else is saying, watch Hawkeye. It's a simple, fun, inoffensive show that's worth a watch

[@Dossrighton]

I actually liked Hawkeye, I thought it was grounded and fun. It was nice to dial back the stakes a bit after so many cosmic stories and i thought kate bishop was refreshing and loveable. I would recommend you gave it another chance and finished it.

[@meathir4921]

Yeah, it’s inoffensive and a fun little Christmas story. It’s a bit of a filler arc for the MCU, but hey, a smaller story can be allowed occasionally

[@terilyte3152]

Agreed, it was one of the more enjoyable and I certainly remember it better than most of the movies

[@C4Productionss]

Agreed

[@ejleoz21]

While all you said was true, i think its unforgivable for a show titled Hawkeye, didn’t feel like a Hawkeye show. Kingpin was ruined imo and wasn’t necessary in the show.

[@Dossrighton]

@@ejleoz21 yeah I could agree, it felt more like a buddy cop movie similar to the relationship from "men in black 1" but I think that was the magic that worked for me. If it was more of a "Hawkeye" series, it would probably have been something closer to Jason borne. That would have been pretty cool to see too.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Hawkeye was actually one of my favorite MCU shows. It got better after the first episode, and I thought the tone was actually fitting. The characters felt well developed, the action was actually creative and fun, and the build up to the finale was great. Kingpin isn't really in it, so don't go into the show expecting him to be a big part

[@WaitWhatWho]

I enjoyed it too. Hailee Steinfeld's Kate Bishop is genuinely really entertaining and one of my favourite additions to the MCU in phase 4. I'm really excited to see her interact with other characters. I just wish they introduced kingpin way earlier in the show to actually give him a presence. I mean Maya Lopez's whole character centres around Kingpin so it's kinda weird they didn't build up that relationship sooner

[@kadthegreat13]

AGREED

[@SkeletalCommissar]

I think it was the second bes D+ marvel show, second only to moon knight

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@SkeletalCommissarI can’t believe that Full Fat made so many snide comments about how horrible it was in his other videos when he hasn’t even seen past the first 30 minutes

[@rachelblake2350]

I think if Shang-Chi had had a fight sequence on par with the bus fight in the third act, I would think a lot more of it as a film. We needed him kicking his way through a corridor full of goons, not a CGI solo match.

[@1punchbrownyt338]

When rewatching, i always feel the middle portion is a weak part of the film on re-watch. When shang chi and the gang get in imprisoned and meet up with the trevor guy.

[@rachelblake2350]

@@1punchbrownyt338 yeah, everything after the neon scaffolding fight is just very forgettable for me.

[@chiffmonkey]

It's a watered down wuxia film that is bested by pretty much any other.

[@Nightingale_47]

See I liked the action but the bus scene just looked awful to me in terms of the CGI on the bus. Like I just really didn’t like all the weird heated blades and the shot of the bus being cut in two just threw me right out of it. Loved the rest of the action though just a shame about the CG.

[@CharlesDubs]

Nah y’all trippen that dragon fight at the end some of the best CGI fighting I seen. In fact Imma go watch the last 40 mins rn

[@freeloadingmf]

Hawkeye was one of the best things to come out of phase 4. The episodes almost felt too short because you're always left wanting to continue so it's perfect for a binge. A fun, self contained holiday story that introduces a great new character.

[@BluEx22329]

It was ok

[@LittleMissLoathing1]

Personally I love Moon Knight, however I think that has more to do with the actually really well written and in-good-faith representation of DID as I have several close friends who have it, and having them be seen in a way that is genuinely respectful was really amazing I also think the focus was much more on the relationship between Steven and Marc which was excellently crafted and is basically a love story

[@Marb315]

I have a problem with people claiming representation as a reason for liking Moon Knight when they completely screwed the pooch on MK as Jewish rep, like, it's great that there's an Egyptian superhero and I'm glad DID was for once handled with respect, but saying the show that erases basically any trace of the character's identity as an Orthodox Jew has good representation in general is a bit of a stretch

[@chiffmonkey]

DID is just a framing device, it's Jungian.

[@rsdillbot3646]

@@Marb315 wanda is the worst kind of jew rep, they literally took away that important part of the character

[@Marb315]

@RS Dillbot Yeah Wanda has it worse by far since they erased both the Romani and Jewish parts of her character

[@TheKingDagon108]

@Ka Chow yea they only show Marc with the Yarmulke on his head once when hes at the funeral. Thats about all the Jewishness we get from him

[@RyukDecoy]

As your opinion of Moon Knight, the premise does get explored towards the later half of the season, which is probably why you dont know that since you said you didnt finish it

[@NuggetGX]

Yeah. Seems pretty unfair that he ranked something that he didn’t even finish. The middle-end episodes are where moon knight really shines!

[@RyukDecoy]

@@NuggetGX "It never fulfills the interesting premise" of course it's not going to fulfill it if you dont even watch it

[@NuggetGX]

@@RyukDecoy 😂😂😂

[@NuggetGX]

@@RyukDecoy also hawkeye. It wasn’t the best show ever, but it was decent. Still miles better than she hulk and ms marvel. (In my opinion)

[@kevina.2269]

@@NuggetGX I agree with you on that. It leads back to why should we watch his videos ranking shows if he didn't watch them. If you don't finish a show leave it out of your rankings.

[@cyatram]

I honestly dont get the complaints about Wakanda’s runtime. The story is large in scope having to set up a new nation, and explain the state of Wakanda post T’Challa all before thrusting these two powers into war. Not even to mention the time needed for the characters to properly mourn their losses.

[@tomwhite7022]

Far too long and extremely boring

[@gtortillaz21]

It wouldnt be as bad if the movie was even a little entertaining

[@nick6990]

@@gtortillaz21 You people really just can’t be pleased nowadays

[@Adeseo]

I think Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever deserve a bit more credit than you gave them but otherwise I agree

[@beediverse9086]

I also agree!

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Wakanda Forever also came out over four and half years after the first Black Panther, I don’t think Disney was rushing it despite what he seemed to think.

[@Baconlovesreddead]

@@sarasamaletdin4574 they probably kept the main plot and just made it so shuri would fit in

[@EricHernandez-vx8cv]

@@Baconlovesreddead No, while Namor was pretty much always meant to be the villain, the director confirmed that a crux of the movie with Chadwick would be him dealing with missing five years of his sons life.

[@warofmankind]

Yes. Both better than Dr strange 2

[@ahsokaxtan0]

Can we also just acknowledge how good Elizabeth Olsen is in MoM her acting and one liners are brilliant She makes the character my favourite with just how good she is I’m glad she got the best female movie star and action movie star And also Paul Bettany along with Olsen were both brilliant in Wandavsion and I’m glad that show received loads of awards as well

[@TheDelinear]

Olsen has really made this character her own. She went from being someone who I didn't really care about in the earlier appearances to one of the stand out characters in the entire MCU. I would love a Scarlet Witch standalone movie.

[@ahsokaxtan0]

@@TheDelinear I agree, I’d see it as a crime to not give her at least 1 stand alone movie

[@NickPoulimenakos]

18:41 - someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the whole idea is that Riri built the machine as a project for school, and wasn't even aware that the government had it... her professor takes the machine after she completes it and was the person who handed it to the government. When Namor destroyed it, the CIA sets out to find the person who actually made it, which is why they're looking for Riri, and why Namor wants to kill her, as I guess he knows that no other machine currently exists.

[@dannyfenton8826]

I think people know that. I think their assumption is the government would've taken it apart/scanned it before they actually used it. So they would have the specs for it even if they themselves don't know the way it was designed. They might not have anyone smart enough to invent it but there are likely some people smart enough to build another after they've seen the finished product.

[@dimitrescu182]

I didn't noticed it until you pointed it out, how did Namor find out it was Riri who built it?

[@dannyfenton8826]

@@dimitrescu182 I assumed they followed Shuri. But I'm pretty sure it's never directly said

[@samuelbarber6177]

I kind of interpreted it as being a symptom of Namor’s bitterness, in his heart, he just wants someone to blame, someone to kill.

[@jasonjones3328]

@@dannyfenton8826 Kinda even if they had the specs that doesn't mean they'd know how to build it especially since they probably didn't want to mess with it since it was the only one they had

[@dominiqueodom3099]

That MCU awards section really is accurate imo. That first Black Panther 2 trailer was heartbreaking to view during My first time watching it. Wandavision really deserves more Flack for not only the Ralph Boner Reveal,but the fact that they whitewashed Wanda's descent into a Villain in the finale,only to turn her into a Villian in between that and Dr Strange 2. Worst CGI for me was Thor 3,i saw it in the trailers when I was like "these backgrounds look like ass". Wasted opportunity for me is with Captain Walker and The Flagsmashers from Falcon and Winter Soldier. Black Widows movie should've came out after Civil War,and what they did with Taskmaster is just gross. The biggest issues with Phase 4 is the Retconning of people who supposedly have been around this entire time like Namor and the eternals or the TVA or Natasha's Family and the humor just doesn't work anymore.

[@robertbrookes2000]

Heck, I would've taken a Black Widow movie way before Civil War. We could've had the whole Budapest story with Hawkeye.

[@sp0ngeb00b7]

@@robertbrookes2000 and you would’ve had it if it weren’t for Ike Perlmutter actively refusing to allow it under his term as Marvel’s CEO, for his belief that a female led superhero movie couldn’t ever succeed (or black led, in his attempts to deny us of Black Panther… which is so insulting after Blade saved the Marvel movie brand pre-X Men!)

[@TheDelinear]

I guess they could retroactively claim that the scene at the end of Wanda hinted at what was to come, that outwardly she seemed timid and sorrowful, but a part of her was already reading the Darkhold and plotting. I think they could have made that a touch stronger - maybe even implied that the reason Monica was so easy on her at the end was that Wanda was still manipulating things. If they had spent more time with Wanda pretending to be remorseful in Doctor Strange, then I could understand the justification for not playing her a bit darker at the end of WandaVision, but they pretty much immediately outed her as the big bad (and the trailers didn't really try to hide this either).

[@robertbrookes2000]

@@sp0ngeb00b7 Yeah, I couldn't remember the name but I remember about that whole 'a woman can't lead a superhero film' One reason why I like DC is that they've now had: Wonder Woman, Birds of Prey/Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman 84. And yes 84 is a bit crap, but I really like how DC at least gave it a chance. Just a shame they're now making terrible decisions like cancelling Batgirl and kicking out Cavill.

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if eternals took place within the multiverse/branched timeline I would explain properly on why they didn't show up. And also Namor and his people is very explanatory Namor doesn't get involved with the surface unless it effects him or benefits him personally.

[@sitbunnynow]

I completely respect the fact that you were just sharing your own opinions, which are informed by your tastes. But Hawkeye, boring or not, was a basically coherent show. She-Hulk was not. Hawkeye does not deserve the bottom ranking.

[@JaiProdz]

Hawkeye is honestly pretty fun and holiday easy going watch! Plus Yelena and Kate's relationship is great. Loved Black Panther 2... Probably the best phase four film imo

[@ChildlikeMan]

I actually kinda agree with the ranking, but couldn't disagree more with most of the specific opinions

[@GiraffeGuy631]

People hate on Hawkeye too much. I get it won’t be for everyone, but in my opinion it’s very underrated

[@TheDelinear]

I thought it was a lot of fun. I also like stories where it's not the fate of the entire world that's always at stake. Just a couple of not too over-powered comic book characters hanging out, defeating some low key villains, and using a bunch of their comic book tricks along the way, was a nice palate cleanser. It had a kind of Die Hard vibe to it, which seems like what they were going for.

[@StarWarsUnconditionalLover]

So is Eternals. People are treating this movie too harshly, while it’s very deep in its themes and it’s one of the few of Phase four that doesn’t have incoherent multiverse nonsense.

[@Truck-kun11]

In my opinion, two factors made this Phase not so consistent compared to the others: First, the pandemic messed up everyone's schedules, including the film studios, so many films had to be postponed and did not come out in the planned order or have production problems. Second, this was Marvel's most experimental Phase, they tried a little bit of everything and while not everything worked, the variety is welcome.

[@CRISPYPOP]

I don’t understand why people hate Hawkeye, the characters are amazing and Hawkeye finally gets a project after 10 years

[@PrinceVoid7]

I don't think people outright hate it, its not bad enough to be hated and not good enough to be loved. Which makes it forgetable. Its not really about hawkeye ad is used to poorly introduce king pin and echo.

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

Phase 4 feels like a high school student going to college. Everything's messy, nothing makes sense anymore, but through the gaps of all of that, you can still tell that there's something there to enjoy

[@officialmonarchmusic]

I loved Moon Knight. Favorite Marvel phase 4 project BY FAR

[@joshuacollins9316]

You seem pretty tired and jaded with the MCU ngl. Like some of your points are valid, but honestly it seems like you went in with expectations different then what a lot of these projects were going for overall.

[@REELWORKS12923]

Werewolf by night is the best thing in phase 4, and the only thing released straight to Disney + I actually enjoyed

[@kateorgera5907]

Interesting perspective, blaming Wandavision for not properly setting up Multiverse of Madness instead of the common viewpoint that MOM didn't properly follow up on Wandavision. You're kind of right, though - if we'd seen more time pass with Wanda and her children bonding, perhaps Wanda's desperation to get back to them would have come across better. But I still find it strange that the creators of each work didn't seem to have consulted each other, considering one would be leading into the other - Raimi only watched a few key scenes of WV, that directly impacted the storyline. Like... Wanda's your main villain. Not a side character, the main villain. Wouldn't you want to know where she was coming from before this??

[@disconsolate3235]

Yeah that was strange, especially given the fact that MoM was written/rewritten after the show. The fact that they wanted to use her as a villain in MoM was something done to service the plot of the movie that they wanted to tell and not to service her character

[@shannonceleste5557]

Too many egos getting in the way. Same thing happened with Disney's Star Wars... 🤔 hmm

[@thedimbot8154]

Homie wants to make a ranking on half the things he didn't see and complains about somethings not living up to expectation when he didnt watch everything 💀

[@royrogers4732]

Black panther wakanda forever had impeccable pacing for a 3-hour movie

[@CC-zp3sc]

No it didn't

[@royrogers4732]

@@CC-zp3sc yes it did you have a short attention

[@CC-zp3sc]

@@royrogers4732 there are a bunch of examples like Lord of the rings, the batman, numerous tarantino and Martin scorsese films and countless other films with similar run times that are far better paced then black panther

[@royrogers4732]

@@CC-zp3sc I never argued that I just said that this movie was well paced it was fun and didn't drag

[@CC-zp3sc]

@@royrogers4732 yes it did drag its one of the main issues in the film and its been called out in reviews for the film , it didn't need to be 2 hours and 40 minutes long and it wasted a lot of its run time with pointless scenes like the side plot with the American agent that went nowhere or the post credit scene which was a shamefull and lazy attempt to ensure the future of the franchise

[@seanbrennan2032]

You really should give Hawkeye a chance, it was one my favorite MCU tv series along with WandaVision and Loki, the Christmas background was excellently done.

[@bennett4789]

you really should watch some better shows

[@seanbrennan2032]

@@bennett4789 I watch plenty of great shows this year and last, and Hawkeye was one of the better MCU shows, I think I will enjoy watching it every Christmas season

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

If you like Kate Bishop maybe you can like it but it was quite disappointing.

[@Theholder-of-All-powers.]

You suck

[@johnbutler9282]

The "Sam should have gotten the Super Soldier Serum" criticism is an absolute smooth brain take

[@Cauldron6]

Yeah that one makes me think he missed the whole point of the show….

[@rebel8215]

@@Cauldron6 I actually think you missed the whole point of the show. The point of the show was a black man not wanting to become Captain America because of how that would be viewed by the countries citizens, and eventually moving past that and not caring anymore because he can't control it. Sam 100% should have gotten the super soldier serum. They actually build up to it quite a bit, with Zemo talking about how it corrupts everyone who takes it and the one person it didn't corrupt was Steve as he said "There's only ever been one Steve Rogers". This would've paralleled perfectly with John Walker taking it out of his own self interest and wanting power vs Sam taking it because he is the next Captain America and in essence, the next Steve Rogers. I think you missed the point of the show.

[@nedasdadonas3471]

Bro he should have taken in not bc it would make him speciall but bc it would make more exiting fights and in the long run better show bc of a good fight

[@Cauldron6]

@@rebel8215 do you not understand that John walker is Sam’s narrative foil? Lol

[@rebel8215]

@@Cauldron6 And so is (can't remember his name, Hodge maybe?) the guy in the first Captain America movie that the colonel wants to give the serum to. Erskin says that the serum enhances traits of the person it's used on. Steve was a good person,. so it would only make him better whereas Hodge wouldn't respect the power as he's had power his whole life meaning it would make him worse. This is the same concept as Sam/John. John thinks he NEEDS the serum to be successful, and he becomes power hungry. Sam doesn't think he needs it, he actually doesn't want it. He saw what it did to another black man who took it, and how he was essentially buried in history. Zemo's speech about how the serum corrupts everyone who takes it except for Steve ties into Sam's story. He says Steve was an exception, but that there's only been one Steve Rodgers. Seeing as Sam is the next Captain America, him being the next Steve Rodgers also makes sense and morally they are both the same and pure of heart. He IS the embodiment of what Cap/Steve is.

[@ianpg9891]

Hawkeye was genuinely one of the best Marvel Disney+ shows. It was one of the only projects to have the charm of the characters from the first three phases. I looked forward to Hawkeye more than most of the Disney+ show

[@KPlaysSports123]

Your complaint on NWH makes no sense. In Tom Holland's third movie, not a general Spider-Verse film. Holland is the focus of the story, and goes through a character arc. Tobey and Andrew are sidepieces who help Tom realise his arc

[@FullFatVideos]

War Doctor and Miles are the clear protaognists in their ensembles even though their other incarnations get loads to do

[@Keizi]

@@FullFatVideos exactly. And so is Tom Holland’s Peter Parker/Spider-Man

[@BigMac0369]

My personal ranking (the only great ones are my top 3) 18. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law 17. Eternals 16. Thor: Love and Thunder 15. What If...? 14. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier 13. Black Widow 12. I Am Groot 11. Ms. Marvel 10. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 9. WandaVision 8. Loki 7. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 6. Hawkeye 5. Moon Knight 4. Werewolf by Night 3. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 2. The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special 1. Spider-Man: No Way Home

[@neilmundy417]

I remember thinking that Phase 1 of the MCU was a bit fuzzy, with only Iron Man and The Avengers really standing out. I think Phase 4 is similar, but with much more content. After a reset they are looking to build again and that always means that things feel a bit slow and fractured. Not to say 5 and 6 will knock it out the park, but I hope for more quality.

[@timetrnr7380]

I comepletely disagree with your takes on both Moon Knight and WV (personally, the last half of WV is some of the weakest MCU content ever and puts it below most of the other D+ shows IMO) while Moon Knight is, again IMO, the best things apart from NWH to come out of Phase 4.

[@BaloonBoy7]

same nwh is my #1 and mk is my #2 loved them both (both from phase 4 and the mcu)

[@jamespope7669]

Nah. No Way Home and Moon Knight were the weakest.

[@writtenbydanielnelson]

Moonknights story was so messy and you know it felt rushed and forced in some scenarios.

[@aeweljrnold]

The only reason I adore moonknight so much is how much effort everyone working on the show put into it

[@sven2700]

I actually loved Hawkeye, i love the characters and it is a little grounded Story right for Christmas. Clint is one of my favorite characters and well the show delivered in my eyes. I would say you should give it a watch but i am kinda now thinking you won't like it overall xD I love it still :)

[@marionbaggins]

Hawkeye and Loki are my Favorite shows!!!

[@MrBobthened]

I thought that Eternals was actually surprisingly good. I liked how it was shot largely on location rather than entirely on green screen like most MCU movies. I also thought that the moral conflict was interesting, like Civil War except with well written motivations that actually make sense for all the characters. I also liked their costumes, most MCU costumes are over designed and too complicated-looking, The Eternals all had quite simple block colour costumes that made them quite easy to tell apart in action sequences. Having said all that, I think that a lot of the characters dint have enough time to be established, it maybe would have worked better in a TV show format. Like what was the deal with the madness that Thena kept getting? And why did King’s just leave the story? (Yes I agree that finger blasters is a super lame power, and we’re supposed to believe that Thor followed him around as a kid?! You know the Thor who can fly and has lightning powers and super strength and an indestructible hammer!!). Also the monster character was kinda pointless plot wise, he just got killed off in the background while the real fight was happening! Seemed like he was just there for the action scenes. With a longer run time most of these issues would be fixed.

[@shannonceleste5557]

The Eternals should have been made as a limited series, and if that did well then they could have gotten a movie. Idk whose idea it was to introduce so many new characters in one movie- seems like such an obvious misstep.

[@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957]

Idk man the more I think about it Shang Chi was so underrated probably my favorite new project from phase 4

[@Toothbrush732]

Legit though I really liked Hawkey, it's a shame you couldn't get into it. I thought it was a lot of fun. Thanks for another great video.

[@jessicastrike5640]

My biggest takeaway from the Disney+ shows is that the vast majority should not have been shows at all, they could have been films released straight to the platform, breaking them into 6 parts was a major failing. The difficulty will be which projects get the big screen treatment and which are streamed immediately but they need to resolve this in phase 5

[@chriscanul4075]

I loved Hawkeye! Felt like it was pure MCU

[@David-xc4we]

18. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law 17. Ms. Marvel 16. Eternals 15. I Am Groot 14. Thor: Love and Thunder 13. Black Widow 12. What If? 11. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 10. Hawkeye 9. Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special 8. Werewolf at Night 7. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier 6. Moon Knight 5. Multiverse of Madness 4. Wakanda Forever 3. WandaVision 2. Loki 1. Spider-Man: No Way Home

[@LoganNagol]

This guy trippin saying Black Panther wasn’t an enjoyable watch

[@Nick-4K]

The Eternals Joke is really good. What you smokin haha

[@Braddicusfinch]

Shang-Chi is a film about an ancient Chinese warlord who seeks to infiltrate a paradise dimension where Michelle Yeoh lives, and one of the only people that can stop them is a descendent of one of the dimension's inhabitants and their goofy comic relief sidekick. It's literally The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor

[@TheDelinear]

Shang-Chi is so close to being excellent. The choreography of the early fight scenes is great, and I didn't even mind some of the cringe humour between Shaun and Katie - I mean they're best friends and that's how besties act, it felt less out of place than it did in Thor Love and Thunder. Trevor was great too, but the inclusion of the pokemon that magically solves one of their biggest problems, and then the grey CGI finale, really let the rest of the movie down. The final showdown with Shaun and his father started so strong. I would have been fine with the demon and the dragon having their own showdown as a background/parallel to the fight between Shaun and Xu Wenwu, but abandoning the much more interesting practical fight scene for the more MCU-traditional CGI-fest was a huge misstep in my opinion.

[@recoveringintrovert717]

Your assessment of Wakanda Forever is quite opposite to mine. Shuri was very clearly always the protagonist in the story. The whole opening is through her lens and we see her struggling with rage the rest of the movie. She is also the one Namor shows his world to. I don't understand what you mean about her not being the main character. Also, cutting time in these movies is a bad idea. The extra half hour means we can let scenes breathe and the pace is correct for how big the story is. One of Thor Love and Thunder's worst mistakes is the breakneck speed of the pace.

[@missdancefan]

WandaVision was written for the version of DS2 that we would have watched the Darkhold take hold of Wanda. They didn't get the new script until they only had the finale and outdoor shots to shoot. We were supposed to get Wanda turning bad over a few projects. I personally think Wanda was supposed to be the main villain of the saga. But then Kang was cast and they decided to center on him. That is why He who remains was made a Kang Varient.

[@Shawn4815162342]

You complained about EVERY part of 'She-Hulk' but won't even give 'Hawkeye' a chance?...

[@makesomething4093]

Goodness, I LOVED Hawkeye! Don’t get me wrong; I had no initial interest, but it really wow’d me. It’s low-stakes in the best way and Hailee and Florence are incredible. Also, a dope deaf villain.

[@tomwwfc_7008]

no matter how bad love and thunder is, it can’t be considered worse than the first two thor films. i think you forget how dreadful they actually are.

[@jamespope7669]

Love & Thunder was much worst than Thor and Dark World.

[@tomwwfc_7008]

@@jamespope7669 go rewatch them, they’re absolutely dreadful with zero redeeming factors

[@davidhoffman4641]

Here is my ranking of the MCU Phase 4. Movies: 1. Spider-Man: No Way Home 2. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 3. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 4. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 5. Thor: Love and Thunder 6. Eternals 7. Black Widow Shows/Presentations: 1. Loki 2. WandaVision 3. Moon Knight 4. Ms. Marvel 5. The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special 6. What If. . ? 7. Werewolf by Night 8. Hawkeye 9. I Am Groot 10. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier 11. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law

[@Fragos_04]

1) What If 2) Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 3) Spider Man: No Way Home 4) Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness 5) Hawkaye 6) Thor: Love and Thunder 7) Black Widow 8) Wanda & Vision 9) Falcon and the Winter Siolder 10) Ms Marvel 11) Chang Chi and the Legends of Ten Rings 12) Eternals 13) Loki 14) Moon Knight 15) She Hulk

[@Alistair_McCullom]

Finally a hero not afraid to call out Shang-chi

[@MooseM]

My best moment was when Garfield Spiderman caught MJ. That gave him a nice moment of redemption from AS2

[@Keizi]

That she hulk finale wasn’t lazy at all. It’s ripped string it from the comics. She hulk has changed her stories in the middle of them due to her frustration countless times.

[@CC-zp3sc]

Just because something works in a comic doesn't mean it works in a series

[@Keizi]

@@CC-zp3sc it worked perfectly for the series due to jenn acknowledging these issues earlier in the series

[@Cauldron6]

@@CC-zp3sc it worked perfectly you just mad

[@CC-zp3sc]

@@Keizi if this series was it's own entity then It would absolutely work but because its tied to the mcu it doesn't work at all because it raises too many question, the biggest one being if she could do shit like this now what's to stop her from doing it in secret wars which she's almost certainly gonna be a part of

[@furrybogard9724]

You don't understand why people HATED it in the slightest, do you? The writing was god awful, and it was horribly lazy. Not to mention it basically pissed all over the previous films up to that point. It left the viewer with a simple question.. If she could do that, WHY COULDN'T OR DIDN'T ANYONE ELSE DO THAT BEFORE??? If there was a universal threat, and if she had the ability to erase things why didn't IronMan, Thor, or Captain America?

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

You didn't miss anything with Hawkeye. It's about taking the original seriously as an Avenger but the villains are so babyproofed both that message is undercut as well as the message that the new Hawkeye isn't properly taking things seriously enough and she could get hurt.

[@lw1391]

You are absolutely right about flipping Captain Marvel and black widow. That would have been much better

[@LucasHopkins2006]

Black Widow felt like the MCU’s definition of wrong place, wrong time, if we had to have a Black Widow movie in Phase 4 then I think it should’ve been the third one with the first coming out before Iron Man 2 so when she shows up there everyone could’ve gone “Oh hey it’s Natasha” which also focuses on Natasha’s origin, sets up Yelena, Red Guardian, and Melina at the beginning scene, and also introduces Hawkeye with the two going on a better version of the Budapest mission, the second comes out and takes place in between Infinity War and Endgame being a better version of the Phase 4 movie with a more proper Taskmaster (I could care less about the gender as long as the character is written well and Taskmaster wasn’t, it was such a waste to turn one of the most interesting villains in the comics into a mindless drone) as the main villain which brings back Yelena and the family but mainly focuses on Natasha and Yelena and their sisterly bond, and with Natasha dead then the third in Phase 4 focuses on Yelena and her grief of Natasha’s death and maybe even including Hawkeye somewhere in there (I guess coming around or something with the trilogy with the first focusing on Natasha, the second on her and Yelena, and the third on Yelena)

[@flykyleboyman23]

My favorite this phase was "What if" I just wish it was Longer

[@davidnoel9355]

I mostly agree with you. I would put Black Widow above Thor: Love and Thunder and upgrade it to mediocre instead of terrible. Among the Disney+ series I would put Loki above WandaVision by a nose, I would upgrade Hawkeye to the middle of the pack (episodes 1-4 were decent enough but that last two were very disappointing) and TFATWS would be a lot closer to the bottom for me. I tried hard but couldn't sit through the entire series (I also had trouble sitting through She-Hulk, you are dead right about just choosing a larger woman and letting her spend more time in Hulk form (which is what she did in the comics).

[@Nick-4K]

I really hope that Disney Plus remakes the Shows into like 2 and half hour movies for future binges.

[@Kroke_Monster]

I personally loved every bit of What If, I loved the wackiness and randomness and the different stories. Thought it was brilliantly done as entertainment TV.

[@shannonceleste5557]

Are there any standout episodes you'd recommend?

[@Kroke_Monster]

@@shannonceleste5557 Outright anything relating to guardians was a blast, but maybe my favourite is S2E6 that did bring the most new as something not really in mainstream. Overall I found the anthology of it, that being disconnected (in general) episodes exploring a story the most fun about it. Id say if you’d have to watch in order as there is a overarching narrative in final episode of each season, but can just pick episodes that have characters you like.

[@catmanh2o257]

Moon Knight being so low is a sin. Easily one of my favorite shows marvel put out

[@benkessenich798]

Holiday special was easily my favorite movie in all of phase 4 and it wasn’t even a big budget one 😂😭

[@thesmellofadventure5370]

Every Post-Endgame Project (Phase 5/4): 21: Ms. Marvel (The first 2 Eps weren’t bad, but it got bad…like really bad) 20: Eternals (This movie was just pure garbage! Boring, messy garbage!) 19: She Hulk (Not awful, just unbelievable lazy and cringe) 18: Thor: Love and Thunder (A self indulgent movie that tries too hard) 17: I Am Groot (These we’re nothing more than cute little shorts) 16: Black Widow (A nice story with a lot of wasted potential) 15: Secret Invasion (I was so excited for this show that disappointed) 14: What If…? (This show is growing on me a lot) 13: GOTG Holiday Special (This truly was special and delightful!) 12: Quantumania (I actually really love this film with all its issues) 11: Wakanda Forever (The opening 15 minutes had me tearing up) 10: FATWS (A highly enjoyable, but highly flawed series) 9: Moon Knight (Had me clueless and I love that) 8: Werewolf By Night (A creative, interesting experiment) 7: Hawkeye (One of the most fun surprises in the MCU) 6: Wandavision (I want to time travel back to the Wandavision era) 5: Shang Chi (This masterpiece took the world by storm!) 4: Dr. Strange In the MoM (Sam Raimi directed the hell out of this movie) 3: Loki (This show had me hooked! It was incredible!) 2: GOTG Vol. 3 (I was bawling me eyes out in the theater) 1: No Way Home (Yes, it was rooted in nostalgia, but I love nostalgia)

[@centrexisaac]

Man I was on board until the Hawkeye disrespect. I get it, the fatigue got real, but damn brotherman

[@sabinatsang]

I would like to see the Eternals in the MCU purely for Makeri and Druid's relationship, they were so cute plus having a Deaf superhero is great representation.

[@phillipallen3041]

Hawkeye was legit actually good. I wasn't excited about it either, and I put off watching it for a long time. When I finally started watching it, I thoroughly enjoyed it. You should take the time to give it a chance. Maybe wait until Christmas so it is "in season."

[@steveplaceholder6522]

Hear me out, Doctor Strange 2 is REALLY REALLY underrated

[@stephenramsey5585]

All I can hear listening to this review is "I was expecting something else from all of this so I couldn't appreciate any of it for what it was and have mistaken minor issues for catastrophic detractions". Obviously if the entries weren't your thing, that's fine, but you can't really criticise Hawkeye if you didn't watch it, the CGI in She-Hulk wasn't mind blowing but it was fine, and Ikaris, Ajak, Sprite, Cercei, Kingo, Thena, Druig, Gilgamesh, Phaistos, and Makari (maybe you weren't paying enough attention). Phase four is getting loads of backlash like this. Where once people whined it was too interconnected, now it isn't interconnected enough. Where once it was too formulaic, now it's lazy and uncreative because a meta-textual sitcom ended with the lead character talking to the writer's room. It just feels like the MCU got so big it became easy and popular to attack, which is frankly just disappointing. That's not to say there are no legitimate criticisms, but so much of this is just fanfic desire projection and recycled nitpicking (did the joke in Thor with the speaker not land? Well that's it's razzie in the bag) and it's just wearisome at this stage.

[@cyatram]

This right here! I’m so tired of hearing people dunk on stuff just because it’s popular to do so. Talking about films or anything popular for that matter feels like a political debate at this point, theres no fun to be had. Im honestly surprised I watched this video because Ive been trying to avoid film criticisms altogether because it feels like I’m just getting shamed for the movies I like. Double Toasted is an exception because they have diverse perspectives in the room making for pleasant discourse.

[@captainvader921]

Here's my opinion The movies: 1. No Way Home: I thought it was fantastic, even though a whole year has passed, I still enjoyed it a lot 2. Wakanda Forever: A pretty good tribute to the late Chadwick Boseman, and I actually got excited seeing Shuri as Black Panther 3. Shang-Chi: A good movie with great action scenes, and a compelling conflict 4. Multiverse of Madness: A flawed script, but at least Sam Raimi's directing was super entertaining, and Wanda is scary. 5. Love and Thunder: Yeah it's got a lot of issues, but there are some good scenes that made me truly feel 6. Black Widow: no seriously, why did we get this movie after Endgame? too late guys 7. Eternals: WAY! TOO! MANY! CHARACTERS! The Disney+ stuff 1. Guardians Holiday Special: a pretty fun short with some of that James Gunn heart that I love 2. Falcon and Winter Soldier: I love that Sam doesn't get the serum. Sam is a good man, and this is why Steve gave him the shield 3. Loki: A very intriguing show that got me invested in where the MCU was going 4. WandaVision: This was also a fantastic show that got me interested, and Wanda's arc is great 5. Moon Knight: A show that took itself much more seriously, that even touched some heavy topics that were truly heartbreaking 6. Werewolf by Night: A fun short that I enjoyed 7. Ms. Marvel: A fun show that I enjoyed, and not much else. Though the fact that it came under Kenobi was a detriment 8. What If...?: A decent series that had a lot of promise, but wasn't unique enough. At least the Doctor Strange episode was good 9. Hawkeye: I'm rewatching it now, and it's actually better than I remember. 10. She-Hulk: Terrible. Just awful. At least Daredevil was fun.

[@TheDelinear]

I love your takes on stuff even if there's a bunch in here I have slightly different takes on. For me I liked that Hawkeye was a more grounded story, and the relationship between Kate and Clint was fun. It had fun holiday movie vibes, even if it was maybe a little flabby in the middle and didn't use Echo as well as it could have. It was also great to finally see Clint use a bunch of his trick arrows and overall the show felt a lot more like a comic book story than most of the MCU. I also really enjoyed that She Hulk tried something different, even if it didn't all land perfectly. And yes, when Emil was introduced as a reformed character, I absolutely said I hope they keep him this way and don't do a "surprise twist" at the end where we find out he's secretly been the big bad all along, and they did exactly that and I loved every minute of Abomination being the voice of reason. There's still plenty of room for big bad Abomination in the MCU to come, and I am totally here for it, but here I thought it was a fun subversion. The biggest disappointment for me in the shows was definitely Falcon. This show, out of all of them, had such a great premise. The fact that the Flag Smashers actually had some credible arguments was just completely wasted, and they had to pull the tired old "I might agree with your ideas but I can't condone your actions" trope out of the bag to justify new Cap returning everything to the status quo. I compare it to something like Andor, and it makes me doubly disappointed that we didn't get a show where the new Cap actually takes the side of the people, instead of almost passively agreeing to be the symbol of the establishment so long as they promise to try to be better. I definitely agree with a lot of what you have to say here. I think both the MCU and the DCEU(?) should take a cue from what made The Batman, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker enjoyable. Namely that none of them felt the need to be incredibly interwoven into into some huge arcing narrative. They all stand alone and they're all stronger for it. We're not going to see Disney stop making MCU content any time soon, but I'd love to see the MCU switch focus to some standalone projects that don't feel like 2/6 hour trailers for the next movie or show. What If...? even gave them a template for this, by having these standalone stories set in different timelines. They even then wove the characters from those timelines into a finale which used the characters without the need to intrude into each character's own episode.

[@samuelbarber6177]

I think what made films like The Batman and Joker work was that they were a breathe of fresh air for comic book movie fans. MCU movies have this very factory-like feel. Directors almost seem reluctant to bring their own artistic stamps to their work. Can you really tell me the difference between a Jon Watts MCU film or a Peyton Reed MCU film? Granted, we’ve had some artistic variation with directors like Sam Raimi, Ryan Coogler or James Gunn, but they’re few and far between. And while this is okay, it does make the cinephile in me scream out for something different. Where the MCU is making movies, The Batman and Joker are films, and yes, I am pretentious enough to say there’s a difference. They took risks. They didn’t spoon feed information or feel the need to insert jokes every couple of lines to keep audience attention.

[@jamesbee3087]

Depending on how the next couple phases pan out, Endgame might be my conclusion to the MCU.

[@havoc4288]

Here are some new awards that could be given out Worst fight: She-Hulk vs Titania (Wedding) Best cgi: Eternals Best romance story: Either Peter and Mj’s, or Marc/Steven and Layla Laziest writing: She-Hulk finale or Wanda’s arc in MOM Wasted new character potential: America Chavez (Felt more of a plot mover and not a character) Best character introduction: Kate Bishop/Moonknight Worst villain: Gorg Saddest moment: Wanda’s story presented in ep 8 or Peter saying goodbye to his aunt Most terrifying moment: The werewolf being released and murdering anyone on sight

[@lexruptor]

Nah. We want King in Black. We want Celestial Iron Man. There is SOOOO much more we want before they're done. You, quite frankly, have no clue what you're talking about when you say they'll die out. This isn't a genre, this is what movies are now. Most people only see Marvel movies

[@attilahun2]

Definietly not my favorite Phase of the MCU, but I appreciate that the Studio let the Creators more freedom. They were more controversal (except Spiderman No Way Home), because they wanted to be. In Thor Love and Thunder and Eternals I felt the directors made their own movie, not a movie that was forced to make. Even Taika said that he made a movie which will upset people and that happened. I like when a franchise taking some risks instead of pleasing the people. The absolute positive result of this Phase was Elizabeth Olsen who CARRIED her all projects. I love that she got a chance to show the World she is a capble actress and she is MORE than capable.

[@Dessydd]

Thanks for this review, of your list, of what's best in phase 4 It's great to see your in depth analysis of what you would do to make these better and what you appreciated. I agreed and disagreed with an equal balance. It's fun to see other views and be respectful with civil tone when discussing what we can agree and disagree with. You have good prose. I will mention though, that if you are going to review something, it's probably best you see the whole entirety of said show. In fact... You HAVE to watch the entirety of the show you are about to review. It's part of the job. You, as a reviewer, to watch the show. Look at Red Letter Media and the garbage they watch. So sadly. I can't respect your opinion on Hawkeye because you didn't watch it and even though you know you won't like it. Even though it will probably be at the bottom anyway. You have to watch it. Why even be bothered to make a list on the things you watched. Other than that, er... Merry Christmas

[@AlMoSiCe210]

Agreed. That was the straw that broke my back with this review.

[@BlurryMo]

Agreed

[@onftbb]

TLAT being above Eternals is actually criminal

[@FullFatVideos]

Eternals sucks lol

[@George_Fl0yd]

@@FullFatVideos why did u rate she hulk so high for?

[@typefyr664]

There is absolutely no way that he put wandavision as the best. That is the literal worst show I've ever watched in my entire life.

[@grapefrukt7767]

I honestly feel like the 4th phase of the MCU is very close to phase 1 in terms of quality. Phase 1 consisted of movies that reached very high highs, but their quality was suppressed due to disappointing finales, and in the case of Avengers (1) just awkward moments that don't quite work. I have not regretted watching any single phase 4 content (except for Eternals), but haven't been blown away either. Especially with the overload of content. Hopefully this means phase 5 and 6 will have some absolute bangers and not overdue it when it comes to quantity. Phase 2 had some really high highs, and some very low lows. And then phase 3 ended on the highest of high notes. Hopefully this new era of marvel films will follow suit and I'll be able to come back to these phase 4 works and appreciate them for both the building blocks they are at large, and the fun adventures they present when isolated.

[@btafbm]

Hawkeye is literally the second best Disney+ show

[@Nutbag517]

"I feel the worst is yet to come" Yeah, me too man. Breaks my marvel-loving heart.

[@FullFatVideos]

We’ll always have phase 1-3!

[@CRISPYPOP]

I heard that one of the reasons they turned ms marvels powers into a bracelet was because that will basically be the next infinity stones for kang

[@thelytz9806]

Having Hawkeye as the worst show is absolutely criminal

[@N-GinAndTonicTM]

Christian Bale wasn't just chewing the scenery, he was god damn devouring it.

[@conkergoat2453]

The fact that she-hulk isn't rated the worst just makes the whole video cap

[@MakiPcr]

From these awards I can tell exactly what kind of MCU fan you are

[@adhdegrees]

“Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.” -Luke Skywalker in the Best Sequel Movie

[@FullFatVideos]

It is the best sequel movie did you expect me to disagree

[@adhdegrees]

@@FullFatVideos not at all, as you are a man of culture, I just think ur wrong on this one

[@mullaoslo]

My favorite part of etarnals was the confirmation that DC comics exist in the MCU

[@alexandernicholl5772]

I love this channel it's one of my faves but come the fuck on ranking Hawkeye at the bottom without watching past 20 mins yet making it to the Shehulk finale is something I just don't understand

[@TLtheDude]

I do see where Hawkeye lost people around the start, especially those who wanted an actual Hawkeye movie, but getting past all those does have it's merits

[@djdog00]

I feel that shurri might not even stay black panther. It's obvious in the movie that she doesn't want to be the BP but she does it because she has to. Who knows if she'll even keep the mantle in further projects

[@EricHernandez-vx8cv]

Yeah, it should be obvious that having T'challa's son at the end is going to lead into him taking on the mantle later on down the line.

[@madtitanthanos7898]

I really like and respect that strange didn't get the girl like how spiderman or most superheroes do. Edit: Hawkeye is great too u really should finish it.

[@avocadothecat]

I love Shang Chi tbh. I watched it 6 times... I even went to the cinema twice >.>

[@colinftp3288]

The fact I can click on a MCU video and see Tobey Maguire on the thumbnail just gives me a different level of joy.

[@GabesEdtiz]

Hot take: Guardians Holiday Special >>>> Wakanda Forever

[@captainvader921]

actually, I agree

[@CaptainChapin]

It’s Probably my favorite phase it’s not perfect but it had a lot of elements that I really liked. I will say this phase has been the most controversial phase yet. And it’s clear that Kevin has a lot of work to do in the future.

[@CherryPauper]

Shang Chi: Trash She Hulk: Trash Wandavision: Meh Thor LaT: Trash Guardians special: Cringe & Trash Moon Knight: Meh The Angelina Jolie one: Trash Loki: Excellent Dr. Strange Multi: Meh Black Widow: Trash

[@kclink1579]

Really?? That's odd.

[@Joegray123]

you high or smthm

[@CaptainChapin]

@@kclink1579 I don’t think so, in other phases I only cared for a select few films. But I enjoyed most of these. That doesn’t mean they were all well made

[@CaptainChapin]

@@CherryPauper Shang chi: Good She Hulk: trash Moon knight: ok but we can do better Ms marvel: good, but boring and the side characters(her schoolmates) didn’t get enough screen time Loki: good Dr strange: entertaining but fire the script writer because he wasted Wanda Thor 4: meh but fire the director Eternals: beautiful but should’ve been a show Guardians special: ok Werewolf by night: great but should’ve been longer Hawkeye: good but the king pin scenes weren’t necessary and wasted. Never saw black widow because why would I? Falcon and the winter soldier: great first watch but then you realize Disney refused to allow anybody to have agency and consequences for their actions other than John walker. They should’ve focused on trying to tell a good story instead of trying not to step on anybodys toes Wandavision: 9/10 it had everything I wanted marvel to have in a project ever since I was a little girl. I just wish they allowed people to actually have negative feelings towards Wanda without feeling bad about it. And I don’t think they should’ve made Hayward bad guy because he really didn’t do anything wrong. Spider-Man NWH: I didn’t really care about the fan service I just felt like the core cast was under used in the past two movies and they were just wiping the slate clean. I am super hyped due to the 10 out of 10 ending though. Overall they did a lot of things that I always wanted them to do but the writing was very poor, and the jokes are a trial to get through

[@racool911]

I still think Hawkeye is the most underrated Marvel project of phase 4

[@pufflis4588]

Moon Knight was a beautiful story about self acceptance. This video was so negative and I agreed with like 10%. Phase 4 was one of my favourite phases. I love how they were able to flesh out the universe into something even more spectacular than what we already had

[@28starwarsfan]

Hawkeye was the nail in my MCU coffin. It was a serious struggle to get through. It felt like an MCU movie done as a CW show.

[@adhdegrees]

Worst Green-screen was a tie between Wakanda Forever and Black Widow

[@superheroenjoyer6763]

For the films: 1. No Way Home 2. Eternals 3. Wakanda Forever 4. Multiverse of Madness 5. Shang-Chi 6. Black Widow 7. Love and Thunder Shows: 1. Moon Knight 2. Falcon and Winter Soldier 3. WandaVision 4. Ms Marvel 5. What If 6. Hawkeye 7. She-Hulk

[@jonathankozenko]

Mad props for referring to Tony Leung as one of the best Actors the MCU ever got! He's immensely underappreciated here in the West, with some large KZbin creators referring to him as a 'borderline unknown' (despite co-starring in Hard Boiled, considered one of the best action films of the 90's, as well as being the original to play Leonardo Dicaprio's role in The Departed)! With that, an interesting (but sad) fact: The Stunt Coordinator for Shang-Chi was Jackie Chan's top protege, Bradley Allan, who sadly died while the movie was in Post Production..