Every Support in Dota 2 Explained - Off-Meta Edition

[@Acex2ron]

For the people who are asking why their off-meta pick isn't here, it is literally impossible to list every single off-meta pick as a support (I would have to list every single hero in the game). This video is limited to the specific heroes that I wanted to highlight. If you were hoping to see a pick that wasn't featured in this video, that's unfortunate, but I implore you to share it in the comments so people can actually use it instead of asking me to talk about it.

[@eriliri5747]

Ah yes, best meta in the whole game, 5 carry for guaranteed win

[@lkcdarzadix6216]

better yet 5 support team

[@Acex2ron]

With how late games are getting these days, the idea of more carries becomes even more enticing

[@minhvu8057]

That is just average SEA game

[@suluhwidyotomo7942]

thats SEA's meta

[@KitsuneFaroe]

​@@lkcdarzadix6216ah yes, the classic 5 supports match: >Giga dominate most of the Game. >Struggle to go highground. >See how the enemy comebacks and the game inevitably snowballs in the oposite direction.

[@wigmanmania259]

Finally, the "Support" Role

[@yoinkerinos404]

it should be mentioned that when Alch gives the aghs scepter to an ally, it doesn’t take up any item or backpack slots, allowing them to be fully 6 slotted WITH an extra stat boost and aghs effect.

[@blackroberts6290]

And while they have Aghs Blessing now, it costs an extra 1800 after the Scepter and the stats are lost.

[@iphatbass]

Terrorblade + Dagon combo was the first combo that I figured out back in Dota 1 days, when we mostly played in LAN! Awesome video, like always!

[@yeheyz]

Imagine being at 1 hp and you see Necrophos just walking towards you.

[@xioniyxz]

okay grandpa

[@OrdoMallius]

@@xioniyxz Back in good ol days if Lich ult had nobody to jump to it would instantly bang all the jumps in one target. Also pudge was a summon hero.

[@samueljackson5314]

*This Post is made by a Religious Sven 4 Player* Sven Support is honestly incredibly fun. My favorite way to build him is with a necro mid/carry and just command that mofo to run in much much faster than Valve ever intended by building things like boots of bearing, shard, and vlads. Honestly giving so many buffs, and getting to command the entire speed of a deathball is insanely fun mid game and much more powerful than people give it credit for. We ended up just steamrolling over people who didn't realize they were out of position just because of the sheer speed we could all charge headfirst into them with. Lastly, if your shenanigans don't work early, you are still a sven with a cleave passive. Getting to farm considerably faster just allows you as a support to outfarm the enemy supports insanely fast and become a potential core for your team later on anyways. Love the pick, don't sleep on it. It's not "boring".

[@fdav3537]

weaver actually want more of the skitterstep facet as a support because he will be mostly skipping regular boots and spamming sukuchi with it, makes you mind your positioning more so that you don't somewhat just feed (see pretty same thing happen when you spam swarm instead with exp facet, well unless the swarm provide no bounty whatsoever). Faster momentum to get whatever item needed other than boots since you skip it, but weaver's main point again to be played as support are actually that he can scale a lot better into game phase now instead of just timelapsing your allies back to safety

[@Vlannary]

Yeah, I've been playing Skitterstep weaver support and just been skipping out on the Aghs, winning lanes and going for a backline assassin role instead.

[@HeavensBane53]

As a casual support invoker picker for a few years now, don't sleep on the hero. While I would absolutely agree he should only be taken by people who are already invoker players or are looking to become one, the hero can do a lot even from the support position. Your laning is by far the worst aspect of support invoker so you gotta be careful about who you pick it with/into, but if you can come out of the lane intact you scale extremely well for a support. Midas is an option once you've gotten vessel if the game is slow enough you can get away with it, but even without that you'll eventually get enough levels to start taking points in exort. However even before that you still have some unique tools to offer, since shard emp acts as a budget vacuum, tornado's dispel works to counter some heroes quite effectively, you have invis to get vision and set up ganks, and with just a single value point in exort you get access to defeaning blast's aoe disarm and knockback (exort only affects the damage), alacrity for a chunky attack speed steroid, a super strong slow with icewall (if you can get into position to use the damn thing), and a global 200 damage nuke with sunstrike. Even if he might be outclassed in individual aspects, there is no other support (or hero) that can offer all the things Invoker can. Again, though, I still would not give a blanket recommendation for picking up support invoker. It's a slow, squishy, support with a lackluster laning stage that offers very little hard cc and does nothing against bkb'd targets. You can very easily just get bullied early and wind up nearly useless, and often what your team needs is not a complicated swiss army knife of a hero but just some good-old-fashioned stuns and/or a big teamfight ult. Also support weaver has been picked a lot in the TI qualifiers, in pretty much all regions, and is always run with the Shikuchi facet and almost never buys aghs. I've mostly seen these weavers go for gleipnir's, orchids, or something scythe of vyse, and attempt to transition into a right clicking core. Personally, I was also expecting a utility support weaver with the swarm facet to be making a return, but right now the Shikuchi facet is too good and the swarm facet is just kind of lackluster (I did some math when the patch first came out, and while I don't remember the exact numbers you need your bugs to stick onto people for a solid duration to not feed more exp than you are gaining). We'll see what future patches bring, though.

[@Acex2ron]

Damn is the Weaver facet really that good? I just went with mostly gut feel + my knowledge of traditional support weaver for that section

[@Lilly-qt4yy]

These videos are so high quality and fun to watch please keep making them

[@evail1129]

Hey ace, I just wanted to thank you for bringing dota 2 closer to people, who might be overwhelmed with all the features, heroes, items and mechanics in the game. If you ever need help in dota 2 or league to do anything. For example showing stuff, or simulating a real game experience, or even just recording some live gameplay of certain heroes, hook me up, I would be honored to help you out!

[@ramplant5994]

On TB support: one of the reason this pick was so powerful last patch was that Doom was strong. Doom's ulti prevents all health regen, which would very often be a death sentence for the large majority of carries, no matter what support you had... unless you had a terroblade. Sunder does not count as healing you see, and there is no issue swapping the health of the carry that is near death with the perfectly healthy support. This made terroblade support a very strong counter to Doom. Doom is not picked as often this patch, and the early levels of reflection got gutted, but terrorblade support is still a viable, if situationnal pick against doom and carry heroes with great early right click (such as morphling or antimage).

[@jkaaaks]

Support luna was fun around 2019. Just having aether lens for mana and cast range plus vlads + passive for a great team buff was enough for her to annoy the hell out of everyone using her beams.

[@averycrappybloodseeker8290]

LC support in this patch works well with pick off heroes that can benefit her dogpile duel facet early, had consistent results with heroes like LS, Riki, and PA due to them providing slows (Riki goes especially hard with this combo do to him having free reign to backshot dueled enemies), going LC support with either of these three pretty much allows you to snowball the lane

[@ikthranithul6000]

Since the facet update I've been spamming pos 4 monke with simian stride, the reduced cooldown means you can basically play as a moving sentry ward while also enabling rapid ganks. I've not been buying boots usually building urn, falcon blade and echo sabre as core items, urn is great for healing yourself to stay above 90% hp for the facet while also generally being a great item for supports, falcon blade helps sustain mana due to the absurd amount of spells you will be casting because of your global map presence and echo sabre is just too good on this hero not to buy even enabling you to man fight cores due to jingu mastery. The shard is also a very good item though i wouldnt say its needed most games, i usually just use the alt cast as an escape when needed. Once i have these cheap items im confident in fights and just focus on buying items to fill any gaps in the team such as CC, sustain or even more damage, sometimes the best way to support is by becoming the carry xD I usually dont spec any point into my ult until the mid game because it has pretty abysmal damage until you get a few items which you need to get kills to afford so leveling your other spells helps achieve this while also helping keep your teams mental in check because you wont be "stealing" kills lmao

[@Acex2ron]

I was thinking if the Shard should have made the cut, because it helps with initiation. Stun-Dash-Ult seems incredibly good on paper, but I don't play the pick enough to know if it's worth

[@massaosaito4084]

The comic sans broke more than this idea of video broke the creator XD

[@Acex2ron]

I was wondering if someone picked up on my deteriorating sanity

[@ChadKakashi]

14:14 oh there’s *another* word that can offend a way bigger group of people.

[@Acex2ron]

This video is already straddling the line of demonetization

[@lazylonewolf]

Naga Siren when she sees her illusions: What up my nagas

[@parham1023]

Funny enough...the original way of pronouncing naga is actually Nai Ga. That's how they pronounced it back in WC3 xD

[@quillvangogh2171]

I've found a lot of success with support sven when I decided to build blink as a first item right after tranquil boots. Storm hammer can serve as a mini-ravage and you're pretty tanky and fast so you don't get punished for jumping the backline. A very fun build, I suggest you try it out!!

[@mikeylejan8849]

I play Magnus and sand king support as well.

[@Acex2ron]

Back in the day, Sand King was his main role. Of course, now you're better off getting Aghs for that big gacha luck

[@mikeylejan8849]

@@Acex2ron sand king is a surprisingly good 4, you can play him like an Earthshaker.

[@karambas4life108]

We once played against a mk pos 5 who would do NOTHING but kill couriers and was exceedingly hard to catch. That wasn´t just infuriating, it was borderline tilting. 100% morale damage pick.

[@Zoltekk1]

The fucking Homelander Invoker, I can't 🤣

[@Sonyaxoxo]

The enigma take is kinda off bc the strength of that hero is the lane domination aspect the threat of hole is just a bonus, he's an incredible 5/4 if played properly because he can not only secure you a lane win but also secure his own networth safely via eidolons either splitting waves or farming camps in the more dangerous parts of the map

[@Acex2ron]

Yeah, but I'm not gonna go tell a new player to pick Enigma support and then just have them feed their eidolons and give the enemy Sven another creep wave's worth of gold

[@eagleye2893]

@@Acex2ronYou already feed Treants as Natures Prophet as Pos 4 in your 1st few games with him. If you can include NP, i think Enigma by this logic is no exception.

[@MrCasulTV]

This is what I asked for!!! About to watch right now. TB pis 4/5 is one of my comfort picks. I have literally built every support item on him. I wanna see what other heroes are going to make the cut. I play Puck support. Just imagine, Puck without Witchblade lol. So much fun!

[@SjahalNoori]

Lone druid support is also good and deserves to be in the second off meta video

[@Acex2ron]

...No

[@ChadKakashi]

FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST CLIP USED, LESSGOOOOOOOO!!!!’

[@rollerskdude]

Lina was originally a support. At least back when I played. Frankly she was just an upgraded Lion. Lion's ult used to be damage capped at level 3 and Lina traded his hex for fiery soul and an AOE damaging stun. I'd imagine that playstyle still works.

[@distritochristianangeloa.157]

Tinker support is already a thing back then because of his shield. It is much easier/accessible now with his facet and march coming back

[@Acex2ron]

Yes, but he's nowhere close to being "figured out." When do you pick Tinker Support? When is he better than other picks? Even right now, he's seeing a higher winrate as a midlaner.

[@khangto7125]

Flow Morphling could work as a Pos4

[@unnamedshadow1866]

Actually Position 4 PA was good on one patch where she rushed Solar Crest. But the pros abused it so much, that it didnt even last the entire patch and was nerfed after the single tournament where Position 4 PA won every single game it was picked. And Solar Crest was also nerfed as well. The synergy was way too good. It was free MMR. It was absolutely disgusting, as PA would transition into a semi carry, and the team was getting gold and xp on the sheer ease on getting kills.

[@josargor8179]

i like playing traditional hard carry heroes as pos 5 and forcing my pos 5 to play HC. i did it with AM with a shaman. he was very emotional the whole game but we won. xD

[@actiasinflight7491]

I'm so ready to play these instead as herald let's get it

[@Coram.Deo.]

You forgot about Arc Warden pos 4, having a clone that can use item is a nightmare. Rush Vessel and Aghanim and see the enemy carry cry. I still remember using him as 4 and on 5 min marker the enemy carry already went for jungle.

[@chemistral4943]

So happy to see Lina again, cannot wait to relearn her and Dota 2 all over again!

[@longbranchgooberdapple2238]

Exort allows you to disarm, wall someone and give attack speed. IMO, it is essentially for invo sup. Amazing pairing with sniper btw :) You hit alactiry on sniper, cold snap on enemy, go invis and enjoy the show. P.S. And yea, sunstrike gives vision so you need it to deward cliffs.

[@Acex2ron]

The usual problem with exort on Support Invoker is that you end up doing a bunch of things poorly, rather than a few things really well. It's just a problem with the levels. 1 level is usually enough to unlock spells though.

[@lamMeTV]

Talks about Invoker and Naga Siren but not Lone Druid? Sadge!

[@savekla]

You didn't mention that Time Lapse also returns weaver back to position where he was few seconds ago.

[@TraceurTTF]

I was wondering when is he going to carry actual supports. Finally gets the video

[@halowars400762]

weaver is a good support because he dominates the lane so disgustingly easily. most games i win with support weaver i don't even pick up the ahgs because the lane was won and we snowball. hence no real need of it. better off just buying ultil items so you win harder than buying a 4.2k gold item you might need like once (e.g pipe of insight fighting zeus etc)

[@Acex2ron]

Yeah, Aghs is the "traditional" Pos 4 Weaver build, but now it seems he's the 4th core in high level play. Still, new players should stick to core Weaver because "Off-Meta" builds come and go with patches, but a hero's natural role will always remain viable

[@chromaticv1]

we need more off meta support guidlines

[@Acex2ron]

Very true. One of the best things about League's community is that there are creators in that space dedicated to showcasing the game at its limits. HappyChimeNoises, for example, showcases a lot of players playing off-meta champions in a completely different role than intended and carrying them to the highest ranks

[@akinommonika472]

For me....i have a saying....If a hero got a Stun or Invis...It "can be" a good support . Stun for teamfights and Invis for very safe ward placement and survivability ...which is why my Pos 4/5 BountyHunter is soo good, incredibly annoying once aghs is up even at laning stage stealing them enemy support gold are just too unapologetic , aggressive ward placements by using invis, have his own sustainability through tracking ult while at the same time making your team not farm for too long because of the gold it gives per kill and i play at sea server which is the players there are battle hungry thus effficiency of killing heroes goes up even more ( in 20 minute game, there is probably 40-50 kills)

[@goodknightpangestu470]

Nice touch with the new Zealand Anthem on the background when talking bout sniper Dota 2, nice references to sniper Tf2 👌👍

[@TheHortoman]

Im not subscribed but im amazed at the speed you churn out these videos

[@Acex2ron]

The secret is in the behind the scenes work! Editing the video itself only really takes about 5-6 hours (usually even less). The scripting, recording, clip and image gathering take a lot longer. Since I do this full-time, it only really takes about 2 and a half days of work to get them done.

[@TheHortoman]

@@Acex2ron yeah thats what i was gonna say the clip gathering must be a lot just by itself great work!

[@kenabaloyan8798]

​@@Acex2ronstill looks alot of time, but if you consider it for a quality video, yeah it does seem speedy

[@cosmicbard6998]

Wait a minute, what's up with Visage support? It's been a really long while since I've last played this game, but I do have memories of him being fairly solid in that position, thanks to his ability to disrupt people, and dish out great damage, even with a tiny net worth (plus the familiars seem like a very helpful ability for a support, especially if you're a scrub that wants to keep playing while dead). I imagine that playstyle has probably fallen out of favor by now, but an off meta mention would have been nice, to at least see what's up with my beloved ghostly bird after all these years. (Though he was always rather unpopular, and he's not particularly flashy either, so I totally get why you would choose to cover heroes like Invoker, Monkey King or Lina instead)

[@Acex2ron]

I was around for that, TI2, TI3 era Visage support. He was an alright pick, but they made him scale so much better now. The thing is, I can probably count the number of times I've seen this hero in a pub with just my two hands, let alone picked as a support so I can't really talk about him with confidence. He's exclusively a core now, and a really good one at that. I will be talking about him once I get to Offlaners because that's his best role atm.

[@sandz000]

he too good to be support for now.

[@recrutrain9179]

Is dragonknight a good suport(with ice dragon facet)?

[@ChadKakashi]

20:37 Icefrog made a mistake changing that name. Rikimaru was a great name.

[@KitsuneFaroe]

That IS still his name, Riki is just a shortening of it. Just check his bio and dialogue interacting with him.

[@corniel657]

The voice actor butchered the pronounciation for Rikimaru, Riki is just fine

[@karthikanil5261]

Thanks for the video!

[@KitsuneFaroe]

Wait... Enigma is offmeta? I mean he has a REALLY good lane presence and his Ult is BOOSTED and way better channeling ult than some other supports in the list. A decent Enigma that knows when to ult doesnt need too much more than a blink dagger to wreck the enemy team. Is even easier to make his ult work than WD ult. Is not pos 4 his main role? Really???? Also if this video exists that means unconventional carries will have one too 👀. One more thing, as Alchemist you can give Aghs to someone who already has Aghs or Blessing and the whole price with get REFUNDED to them. This even works with Roshan Aghs..

[@Acex2ron]

Enigma is best as an offlaner because of how greedy he is, which is why I'm listing him as "off-meta." While he's a viable support, the issue is most people end up trying to play him as a 2nd Offlaner and build around Black Hole. Blink, BKB, Linkens, Octarine, Refresher are all incredibly expensive items. The issue is when you play this style, you are a Pos 4 that isn't roaming around the map and making their presence felt. You get a few kills with Black Hole, but then it goes on cooldown for what feels like the rest of the early game. Malefice is a decent point and click stun, but it's single target, and dispellable. That and the fact that he's picked as an Offlaner more in high level pubs. As I said in a different comment, he has 2,600 games as an offlaner compared to ~450 as a support (and that's both roles combined). He's not a bad support--he's just heavily outclassed. There are better picks like Earthshaker, Lion, and Shadow Shaman who all have powerful teamfighting ultimates, but also contribute much more than Enigma does during their respective ult downtimes.

[@BigGooba]

Waltzing Matilda when Sniper came on, I loved that reference (although he's a Kiwi lol)

[@Teng3Cheese]

I mean if my country is at the bottom of the sea and I dont even know it exists, i think i would adopt the nationality of my foster parents.

[@MrTHExINEVITABLE]

I had a bit of success with pos 4 kunkka a few years ago

[@Acex2ron]

Aghs "killed" support Kunkka because it's so good, they made him almost exclusively a core so he could get it consistently

[@benjaminmclaren8782]

Why am I hearing Waltzing Matilda when Sniper is on Screen? He isn't the Aussie Hero, Hoodwink is. 7/10 guide.

[@GiantBUThead]

Enigma is an actual support though, he's absolutely viable as one, especially after they buffed the support gold a few years ago and you can comfortly go dagger on him. All he needs is dagger and bkb later on to function. And by function I mean using his best gamewinnning spell. His stun is great for lane pressure and kill threat on solo targets and his eidelons free win you the lane by just harassing the enemy. I even think that offlane enigma is a bit of a troll pick since he does literally the same thing support enigma does and you can just have another useful offlane in addition to your black hole, because as you said it yourself he's just his ultimate later on. And while refresher is good, you aren't guaranteed to be able to hit the second black hole because you're extremely squishy even as a core. As for linken/bkb most of the time you only need one. And most of the time it's bkb, since the point and click spells that can go trough bkb are mostly melee range and if they come to you they're gonna get caught in your black hole. Plus even if they have a stun like that, if you have a dagger and are above herald you will just stay in fog and try to catch that target in your black hole. I don't think he fits in "off-meta" supports, he's a solid 4 and an okay 5.

[@Acex2ron]

I will say that I debated whether to put him in the main series, but ultimately decided that Offlane is far and beyond his best role. If you go to Dota 2 Pro Tracker right now, you'll see he's picked in ~2,600 matches in high level play as an offlaner compared to ~450 as both a support and hard support combined, and is currently ranked as the number 1 offlaner. When making this series, I just couldn't ignore that level of disparity. The reason why I listed him here is because people don't know how to "really" play Support Enigma. They buy greedy items like Blink and BKB and end up trying to build like an offlaner with less farm (even worse, they steal resources from their carries). Your argument about BKB also falls completely flat--Vengeful and Warlock are absolutely popular supports with means of completely ending your black hole.

[@GiantBUThead]

@@Acex2ron Yes Pudge and Venge are really strong right now and they absoltuely beat enigma, no doubt about that. However dota is very reliant on counter picking and as such most heroes have very hard counters. This isn't league where you can one trick every game and get mildly countered by certain picks. Here counterpicks makes it impossible for you to play the hero that's coutnerpicked, unless the counterpicker (or his team) fucks up extremely hard or can't pilot their hero. Some heroes are flexible and can play around this to a degree but enigma is a very specific pick that is not something that you pick every game. And if you pick enigma, even as a position 3 and invest the thousands of gold into both linken and bkb, the enemy can still break your linken despite the bkb being on and the fact that you will block their debuff. Venge has enough range, especially with aether lens that she can just Q and then ult you and your money is absolutely wasted. Pudge's hook goes trough bkb so linken doesn't do anything. If you get counterpicked as enigma by these guys your best bet is to play counter initiation, which is actually the correct way to play any aoe initiator most of the time. You wait for the enemy to show up, group up and then go in. Of course they will try to avoid grouping up in which case you have to choose your targets. You can go on the highest dps dealer but then you're gonna get stopped by your counter or you can go on your counter and secure a 4v5. As for the statistics, people are still figuring the patch out, especially with the hundreds of facets and innates. In addition some of enigma's hardest counters are very meta, so if you want to play him effectively you gotta ban those out and pick him versus safer comps that can't stop you. Support doesn't always mean buy supporting items. Support means functioning efficiently without farm. Anyway I really enjoyed your series and hope you do a series for all roles, it's really fun.

[@Acex2ron]

​@@GiantBUThead The first part of your response is completely wrong though and makes me question the validity of your argument First of all, if you get counterpicked in League, that game is actually unplayable because of how linear the gameplay is. Assuming both players are of similar skill level, a counterpick can completely lopside the lane. In fact, counterpicks are some of the biggest complaints about toplane in that game. In fact, Dota has more counterplay because you get so many options in this game compared to League. If you say that you have no counterplay in Dota, it is more often than not, actually a skill issue. The actual way to play Enigma when you're counterpicked isn't to rely on counterinitiation (which depends on the enemy fucking up and getting too bored that they start a fight and completely forget your existence--which is an unreliable strategy that does nothing but create bad habits for players who actually want to get better at the game) it's to not play around a spell that the enemy can just point and click counter. Aurastacking Enigma is very much a thing and has existed in this game forever because people are smart enough to realize that Black Hole, as powerful as it can be, is incredibly inconsistent as a spell. Bad Enigmas are the ones that force him to be a Blink Initiator even when you already have an Axe and Puck on your team And yeah support doesn't mean buy support items, but if Vlads and Greaves aren't support items--they're pushing items to help your eidolons take down towers and help your team group up.

[@ephraimjensen5376]

​@@Acex2ronlove the vid but L enigma take

[@Acex2ron]

@@ephraimjensen5376 I've made my argument, but if people don't want to listen, then that's on them

[@ExValeFor]

ok i need to ask why is LC like the one hero whose pic is pixelated to shit

[@Acex2ron]

idk man I got all the PNGs from the Dota 2 website

[@BSoDexe]

Should've mentioned SF. He really has enough magical damage to win trades and drain enemy resources on lane, and enough magical damage to be remotely useful without items.

[@Acex2ron]

Heavily level dependent and other supports offer more with less

[@tomweather8887]

Man, I thought we were going somewhere else with that Naga joke.

[@Arkantos1900]

At this point Weaver is an actual legit and good support. Pros and high mmr players spam it a lot. But this vid is for newbies so I understand why the offmeta

[@eagleye2893]

Yeah, at least Clinkz can play relatively the same with the only difference primarily concerning how he gets his gold.

[@asmodeus69_]

i grind up from legend 3 to divine 1 mainly using faceless void, terrorblade, and legion commander as pos 4/5 . Tho i back to normal support because my teammate immediately remove their brain after seeing me pick those hero in divine bracket 🙄

[@OrdoMallius]

Picking a carry for a 5 is the best thing ever. If he fails he fails. He's a 5. But if he gets farm we get softcore

[@lkcdarzadix6216]

that's beauty of it carry pos 5.

[@faithfulfilo7994]

Or some of the off meta heroes fundementally lack an aspect from a traditional 5 and you flop altogether

[@Acex2ron]

if he fails, he goes to low prio

[@99jei63]

​@@Acex2ron HAHAHHHA

[@anitoancognita7060]

They even added the thing for Terrorblade to do extra ulty boom

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

I would consider Gyrocopter as a legitimate support though. In pro play he gets equal opportunities being played as either support or carry though I think he performs much better as carry. He's just too incredibly shard reliant to function as a support in the early mid game neccesitating almost always buying it the moment they become available in 15 minutes and that's 1.4k gold better spent on something else better if it was another support. Weaver is also a really good one right now ever since 7.36 came out but I know very little about it coz I don't play him.

[@Acex2ron]

Gyro Support is too new for me to consider it a legitimate pick, but his success recently earned him a part in this video, Weaver support apparently is a 4th carry (I haven’t been following pro recently, so I talk about the traditional Aghs Support Weaver)

[@haryok8940]

​@@Acex2ron main build for support Weaver now is spirit vessel and atos(without boots). Then its just about situation: agh shard, gleipnir, orchid, eul, bkb, anything that could be useful in given pick. And later you can do core transition

[@risto3861]

good content keep it up👍

[@gandung777]

I know it's pretty outdated, but razor supp is the first thing on my mind when i saw the title

[@jankoskiller8723]

We got to off meta video where we have Naga Siren but still no Windranger

[@davidkiknavelidze2130]

No Death Prophet?

[@fedilogediemarcusq.9385]

I have only done Void in turbo and it's 50/50

[@parham1023]

Thanks for mentioning PA support being an off brain pick... There was a griefer who was discussing with me that PA 4 is good and im just following the masses... Hope this settles it for them. ( probably wont cause griefers are all A holes)

[@Dragonmist19X]

Off meta supports WOOOOO!

[@frostburn4969]

I was going a completely different direction with that... Naga..

[@tokra8251]

Phantom assasin support... the slasher way😅

[@amara-chloesapostle13thoft59]

Disappointed in no roamer PA support in the video (jk), but great vid anyways ahah

[@thecommentermaker]

I want you to know I am expecting jungler video

[@marsryo6569]

GYRO

[@viltautasYT]

i downloaded dota cuz of you, and i have absolutely no fking clue wtf this game is

[@Thee_Znutz]

7:15

[@Zylosio]

Not even ember spirit in it, Im deeply disappointed

[@trofchik9488]

We play for the memes cause, that's how the real men play (c)

[@Lucaslf2_]

Chad

[@youtubeeee6682]

but those are very meta

[@Acex2ron]

Right now, maybe, but the nature of traditional roles is that they endure patch after patch, but this style of Pos 4 Weaver or Gyro Support may be a distant memory

[@LukoSnow]

QWQ

[@ougonce]

Love these videos. The edgy jokes can go though

[@Acex2ron]

Nah