The CONSISTENT Laning Mistake Most Players Make

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Beneath The Veil

Beneath The Veil

Күн бұрын

What's going on gamers!
This week we wanted to take a look at one of the easiest itemisation mistakes to fix which will directly impact your success in games once you correct it: Component Order.
Sit back, relax and enjoy as Phil breaks down for you how you can better navigate the earliest stages of itemisation and massively increase your chances of success. Good luck and Happy Gaming!
You can find our full playlist of DOTA videos from various creators that explain how items and mechanics of DOTA actually work from creators like @zzadrianzz @ZQuixotix @PainDota and @BalloonDota • How DOTA 2 Actually Works
00:00 - Intro
00:28 - Remember Attributes give multiple benefits
01:23 - A Common Trap for Low MMR players
04:11 - Buying Boots of Travel is (sometimes) a mistake
06:45 - Purchase order of Tranquil Boots ruins lanes
07:54 - The simple question when buying Arcane Boots
08:19 - Breaking down components of Phase Boots & Power Treads
09:26 - Purchase order is dictated by lane matchups
10:25 - Simplifying purchase orders
10:58 - Component order matters at ALL stages of the game

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@shnorkeythefourth4572
@shnorkeythefourth4572 16 күн бұрын
I can’t look at pipe of insight without seeing a broken masquerade mask
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Funny, I just get the smoking pipe association immediately. Interesting how our brains interpret art differently though
@MagnaGuy
@MagnaGuy 16 күн бұрын
Same I thought I was the only one
@darkigor20
@darkigor20 16 күн бұрын
Oh my god someone finally said it
@Hosenbund1
@Hosenbund1 15 күн бұрын
i actually never realized until now that the picture is actually a smoking pipe.. lol always thought its a mask for some reason, even though it did not make sense combined with its name
@zzadrianzz
@zzadrianzz 11 күн бұрын
Great video and a SUPER important topic in my opinion. I definitely noticed in my Dota journey that taking the time to learn more about which starting items are good in which situations has helped my laning a lot. Great job again :]
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 11 күн бұрын
That means a lot coming from you, brother. Thanks for stopping by and leaving such kind words. It's been a joy to witness your own growing success over the last couple years and has played a major role in keeping my own nose to the grind stone to find eventual success with this channel. Here's hoping the new update brings plenty of niche game mechanics for us both to sink our teeth into for the betterment of the community :) - Phil
@thebigthn
@thebigthn 14 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this content! I've been playing for a year now and been recently spamming Abaddon pos5. When I started playing him, I start with the correct items (blood gernade, branches, ect). But then I fell into a bad habit of going into lane with Ring of Basillius and no stat items. No wonder I was starting to lose my lane more. I corrected that and been getting more consistent wins in the laning stage.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 14 күн бұрын
Glad to hear! Blood Grenades are an essential tool to leverage in early laning! Keep it up
@polo619652
@polo619652 14 күн бұрын
Sage mask and a set of tangoes with max branches is very valuable
@DegenerateDota
@DegenerateDota 16 күн бұрын
Thank you for bringing up the point about TP boots! I've tried to explain this to my friends many times!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Any time! It's a common set of issues we've seen and it always makes us sad to see play out
@manuelquerochang2275
@manuelquerochang2275 15 күн бұрын
I really hope did your Friends know english, mine are stuck at the lowest rank and they are not able to take any advice. I I really wish that at anytime in the future they understand all the information in the video. We speak spanish and they don't believe that My tips are usefull for them
@polo619652
@polo619652 14 күн бұрын
I see necros get BoT rush on a team without catch or quick kill threat and I always cringe inside
@PositivelyHazo
@PositivelyHazo 15 күн бұрын
Loving the content so far, a well deserved sub. Best of luck with the channel
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
Much appreciated! Glad it's serving you well. Thank you for the kind words and wishes
@imfinishedgrinding638
@imfinishedgrinding638 16 күн бұрын
As someone who has been playing a lot of str carries(usual bracer rush)and heroes not really needing a full magic wand(AM), I had no idea it was this imperative to finish assembling magic wand first on Agi, Int and Universal Carries. I've always just ship out 1 set of tangoes and finished components for a bracer/wraith band/null on the first courier ferry and ship out magic wand and boots of choice components on the next courier ferry. Very intriguing and insightful guide and I definitely learned a lot from it.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
The real answer is to itemise properly for the lane from the strategy phase but it's very common for players to itemise thinking they're playing against a certain 2 heroes only to discover that's not the case and suddenly they have to improvise based on what's already purchased. When that's the case: not enough people think to just backpack an item to get something more important active and then start combining items to make space and get everything active again from there. Glad the video helped ☺️
@jackmccarthy7644
@jackmccarthy7644 13 күн бұрын
Great video. One note I would add is that certain components are really great to buy early for offering later flexibility. The itemization needs of your team often change dynamically depending on how the lanes go and what the other heroes choose to build. As a support player, I'm a big fan of the casual wind lace since it builds into Tranquils, Eul's, Drums, Solar Crest which are all items you might want later in the game depending on if you need HP regen, control, burst teamfight threat, or sustain on your carry. I think Fluffy Hat is another strong item in this regard, for building into Force Staff, Pavise, and Spirit Vessel.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 13 күн бұрын
Very true! Casual small components (especially Wind Lace) are something that a lot of players overlook. It's something we'll eventually cover as its own separate topic once we've worked through the backlog of more major topics we have in the pipeline right now. Good to know there's a healthy dose of players ahead of the curve in that regard :)
@jackmccarthy7644
@jackmccarthy7644 13 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil I hope you do more videos on item ordering too! One that I particularly struggle with is Glimmer Cape since both Shadow Amulet and Cloak are strong individually and I'm often unsure which I should purchase first. Other good candidates would be Khanda (Crystalys vs. Phylactory first), Force Pike (Force Staff vs. Dragon Lance first), and any of the KSY swords.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 13 күн бұрын
@@jackmccarthy7644 Now that we've addressed the concept, it's something that we can look to more in depth when doing dedicated item videos. At the moment we're working through items which also have a tonne of hero skills that do the same thing but Glimmer Cape is one we want to cover for sure. Too many people we see throwing games by buying Shadow Blade when really they should be buying Glimmer Cape instead. Will put it on the list just for you :)
@karnbrar555
@karnbrar555 16 күн бұрын
Nice video man, keep up the good work!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@Nerot_kama
@Nerot_kama 13 күн бұрын
u sure loving what you are doing, dang doing something like this . requires effort! GJ
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 13 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@cmanatlan
@cmanatlan 16 күн бұрын
On strength heroes, like a lot of offlaners, playing from behind to finish bkb, I feel like the ogre club is much more value than the mithril hammer. The dmg/gold is the same and you also get 180 HP. Not to mention you get the stat boost a whole 600 gold earlier. But on a carry who is afk farming until they have the whole bkb then your reasoning makes sense.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
We did make a note on it, but didn't want to talk about it too in depth as it wasn't the main focal point of the video. You're certainly on the right track with your logic there :)
@Nostalgia---7777
@Nostalgia---7777 16 күн бұрын
i notice the B.O.T strat when i was climbing in ancient i was like "wait a minute i got low cooldown i can help the team while killing and having a map presence" and some games it made it easier and some games when you get stomped you just go and adjust
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Exactly. It's a great "win harder" item but it can be very difficult to find value with when you're on the back foot
@vatskiysas
@vatskiysas 11 күн бұрын
Love your videos! Very interesting to watch, very informative. Makes you think where you could be better
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 11 күн бұрын
Glad you think so! Improvement comes from focus on oneself and what they can change, rather than looking at everyone else and pointing out what they did wrong :)
@trashpanda999
@trashpanda999 13 күн бұрын
Great video! I can see the effort you made. I've always wondered when watching the pros choose their shoes, especially supports. Why do they go tranquil early, why phase boots, even sometimes I see brown boots 40 mins into the game. This video gave me a slight idea about it.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 13 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Novita4498
@Novita4498 15 күн бұрын
@0:38 I love the 3D attribute icons 👌
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
thank you!
@grenadedFalafel
@grenadedFalafel 16 күн бұрын
Great video! keep up the good work!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@lancea1202
@lancea1202 16 күн бұрын
Very educational video. This definitely will help those like me in the lower mmr brackets.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Great to hear! Good luck on the grind!
@dobrynskyxd5834
@dobrynskyxd5834 16 күн бұрын
These videos are excellent, thanks
@dobrynskyxd5834
@dobrynskyxd5834 16 күн бұрын
as a new player, would love to see a deep dive like this about bkb. When to buy or not to, most efficient usage etc
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Glad you like them! You're very welcome!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
We will definitely touch on debuff immunity! Since it's only been in the game for just over a year now, we're knocking out a few of the more established and unchanged mechanics just in case Valve decide to rework BKB again
@braverzero3709
@braverzero3709 16 күн бұрын
Great vid and lots of good tips. Absolutely loved the stick discussion. I usually start with the stick specifically to maximize the time I will be potentially gaining charges. It's the worst when you get to 10 charges before you've finished your wand XD 4:25 Correction on the Boots of Travel - you DO still need to buy TP scrolls, no? Are you thinking of the old school BoTs that existed before the TP scroll slot when TP's used to take up an item slot? I'm confident you still need to buy them but now questioning things
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the stick discussion. The real fix to the problem is actually itemise for your lane correctly and start with a Stick in lanes where you need one off rip: but low elo players don't always recognise when they need one from the start and itemise for non-stick lanes, then suddenly try and do a 180. Regarding your correction: not sure if that's how it used to be in the past but you actually don't need to buy additional TPs once you have Boots of Travel. So long as you have a single TP scroll in your inventory. If you have no TP scrolls available when you buy Boots of Travel and get them delivered then you may need to still buy one? But if you have them in your inventory already then you're good to go. If you have multiple charges available the game automatically sells your excess charges so you get a little refund (though not sure if it's a full refund - that would be a nightmare to test and we can't be bothered lol)
@FactorialGhost
@FactorialGhost 14 күн бұрын
Started playing Rank more consistently after years of on and off playing. The Nullifier vid helped me on a couple of matches. Got out of Herald and currently 70% to Guardian 2. Love the vids and the format. Playing All Roles in the Queque. Idk which one to focus on.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 14 күн бұрын
If you're having success and climbing playing all roles then feel free to continue doing so! When you get to the point that you stop consistently winning and climbing: that's the point to start analysing which role you have the most impact in and starting to focus on that role in particular: or you can pick the role you most enjoy playing and learn to improve your impact from that position. As a fellow all role queuer: I don't blame you for liking the versatility that comes with playing everything ☺️
@FactorialGhost
@FactorialGhost 14 күн бұрын
@beneaththeveil TY I like a lot of heroes so playing one role all the time seems boring. I have like 2 or 3 heroes I like playing per role. Definitely my weakest has to be mid. I just default to playing Zeus or Pudge there.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 14 күн бұрын
@@FactorialGhost if you like a challenge, learn Meepo for mid. He can end reasonably fast and solo carry if you have a good start in lane and know how to micro. TA can also be good to play from mid in the right games but she's a bit weak in the current meta. Leshrac is also a good pusher and can play tempo or go late game if you like your spellcasters in mid. Learn how to set up your own stun off the back of a Eul's Sceptre Cyclone spell and you'll be cooking 🍳
@Rectanglesful
@Rectanglesful 12 күн бұрын
I love this numbers based approach to strategy thank you
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 12 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ne6548
@ne6548 14 күн бұрын
i love this kind of dota contents. you just got yourself a sub
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 14 күн бұрын
Glad to hear! Welcome aboard and thanks for joining!
@tuvarkz9324
@tuvarkz9324 15 күн бұрын
There's some games as pos1 where either grabbing 3 runes or getting an early kill/assist means I sometimes start lane 1/2 CS away from being able to ship in both bracer/wraith band recipe and magic wand, isn't it better at that point to delay wand by likely 10 secs tops and get the upgraded regen+damage/armor+AS early rather than delay whatever amount of seconds it takes for the non-upgraded courier to waddle back to fountain then back with the bracer recipe?
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
Fair question! The best answer is to actually start the lane with the correct items and already have a Stick if it's a lane which requires one, but we talked about this situation as an example since a lot of players don't itemise correctly for the lane and then have to improvise as soon as they realise. In the case of Bracer it's probably the better option if the enemy aren't going to cast that many spells right at the start of lane, so you get the benefit of the extra damage which widens the window of when you can hit a creep to secure that CS; however the extra attack speed and armour of Wraith Band doesn't really help all that much in early laning since they don't help alter your damage numbers to make CS easier, they just increase your attack speed slightly so your projectile travels faster or your melee animation is a touch quicker. In that case it's far better to gain access to the healing potential of Stick.
@Jakob.Hamburg
@Jakob.Hamburg Күн бұрын
Another nice guide from you.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil Күн бұрын
Thanks!
@pascaldenize7546
@pascaldenize7546 16 күн бұрын
Great video. This magic wand mistake is 🤯
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Thank you! Glad to hear you learned something new :)
@RaiderKnight08
@RaiderKnight08 16 күн бұрын
This necrophos + boots of travel thing is so true.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
We see it all the time and it's enraging to say the least
@ElJA3III
@ElJA3III 16 күн бұрын
This is an AMAZING break down! Thank you for the hard work and content! This is something ALL newbs should watch!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching :)
@AngusX42
@AngusX42 16 күн бұрын
Small feedback on layout of build orders: I initially interpreted the grid of 9 as 3 columns (instead of the intended 3 rows) ie top to bottom is the build order and left to right is preference; my intuition was so strong on this that I even thought there was typos (ie damage written twice instead of damage, other) rather than recognising the intended pattern for quite some time. Solution space is large... one suggestion I think might help: highlight whatever you are verbally referencing on screen.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Appreciate the feedback! In hindsight we could have definitely made the line spacing much larger during that section so there was more of a separation between each line of text. In addition we could have made a little arrow instead of the dashes ( -> instead of just - ) to naturally guide the viewers eye left to right so they inherently understood how to interpret the information we were presenting. Totally agree we could have highlighted the information better as well - the GPU we were using was struggling a bit to render everything towards the end of the video so we decided to chill out on some of the motion graphics elements to give the hardware some room to breathe. We're continually looking into what we can do during production to make things easier for not only us and our viewers, but our hardware as well so it's something we'll fine tune over time as we look to continually improve our production practices :)
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 16 күн бұрын
Tranq boots are one of the biggest trap items for new players. Up there with dagon.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Respectfully disagree. Have won countless games with only Tranquil Boots and upgrading to Boots of Bearing when the draft allows the team to play on tempo and end the game quickly. It's much harder in the current meta since games tend to go long and high ground can be difficult to break; but Tranquil Boots enable many melee supports especially to aggressively trade in early laning then disengage and regenerate HP faster than their opponents. That doesn't even touch on the potency of roaming between lanes more quickly.
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 16 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil Def hear you on the boots of bearing. I was mostly talking about people who I see buying tranq boots instead of regen items in early game lols. Then NEVER upgrading it. When they dont upgrade it, my thought is its not good because simply other things are better most of the time. Most of the time Id rather have Boots + Bracer. Or wind lace + 2x Bracer. Substitute null talisman sometimes. I almost never get that item, personally. Unless Im 100% sure I need boots of bearing like you said.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
@@suntzu6122 with that context I can see why you made your initial statement the way you did. You could make the same argument about Arcanes since some heroes still need the odd clarity/mango to top up their mana through early/mid game due to burning through so much mana you know? There's very rarely a single item in the early game that will outright fix early game regen issues. When we're eventually through all the mechanics based videos we've got in the pipeline one of the things we want to highlight is how many low elo players just simply don't buy enough regen. The amount of people I see buy a single set of tangoes and no other regen whatsoever makes me want to flip tables lol
@curtroll
@curtroll 16 күн бұрын
Tranq boots rush broken for melee support in early lane....IF player knows how to abuse the disassemble mechanic. Quite simple: have boots disassembled + full health..... Engage in heavy trading...disengage and immediately unlock combining when out of attack range= 9 seconds of instantaneous heal. Disassemble boots just before time is up and go trade again. Basically a free tango every 20 seconds
@SkylerEvansAK
@SkylerEvansAK 16 күн бұрын
​@suntzu6122 It depends on the hero. I still run tranqs on bounty hunter, because it helps when roaming from lane to lane and to heal back to full between ganks. Very useful when in those early/mid roaming parts of the game.
@BlueFlash215
@BlueFlash215 11 күн бұрын
I wish there was a lategame option for PT. When all Lanes are pushed you have to switch back and forth from BoT to PT or abandon PT all together for a good 6th slot. It's such a mighty item early and mid and falls off so hard. The toggle becomes meaningless due to high regen. Adding something like an ultimate orb to it to it + a recipe making the PT +30 to all stats as well a the option to teleport to your own fountain (so not aggressive just defensive) would be great.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 11 күн бұрын
There's been an upgrade for PTs as well as Phases in the back end for a good while now based on leaks from pre-New Frontiers. It may well be introduced in this patch.
@BlueFlash215
@BlueFlash215 11 күн бұрын
When playing Necro (especially when 7.35 dropped) it was best to rush BoT. After completing 1 Bracer. With basically unlimited health reg and mana you could farm the big map and when Ulti was off CD you could go for a gank. Plus it's a hero with one of the slowest movespeed. Later a heart than aghas was a free win. I almost had 75% Winrate during that time. A second Bracer was useful when you were offlane and not mid.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 11 күн бұрын
When the patch was new and no-one had any idea what was going on it was relatively easy to win your lane and then snowball with Travels which is expected. Travels is a win harder item. The biggest issue is Necro players who fall behind them go Travels and have no impact. The gold investment gives them nothing except a way to KS on a super long cooldown.
@BlueFlash215
@BlueFlash215 11 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil that's true. He was heavely needed though. I play as 3-5 stacked team comps and the damage output I had at the end due to Stacks were insane. Looking back at dotabuff games the numbers are crazy. He slowly got nerfed plus people started picking AA (which you can't ban for sure anymore). I even got my stacks up with illusion kills.
@shnorkeythefourth4572
@shnorkeythefourth4572 16 күн бұрын
I like playing turbo mostly and I find a lot more usage with arcane boots on most str pos 3 heroes so I can spam their abilities more. Usually centaur or axe. I also have the ability to upgrade to greaves for a dispel if I need it but I usually just get tp boots It used to be even better when you could dismantle arcane boots so it’s definitely less excusable but I still like it
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
There's use cases for all items for sure. The upgrade into Guardian Greaves for the Dispel utility as well as the burst heal is super nice as well :)
@shnorkeythefourth4572
@shnorkeythefourth4572 16 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil typically I play either tanks or Carries so my go to dispels are lotus orb or either manta/disperser depending on the carry I’m playing I also forget satanic has a dispel
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Yeah! There's 8 different at-will self dispel items currently in the game. We're spoiled for choice
@rmac02
@rmac02 16 күн бұрын
This is a great video dude
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@soldieroftruth77
@soldieroftruth77 5 күн бұрын
1:45 something that’s not clear here.. are you saying it would have been better to come out to the lane with the stick/wand, or just that you need to rush it after you get to lane, if needed?
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 5 күн бұрын
Excellent question! Indeed, if you need a Stick at the start of the game, then you should be starting with one. A meta starting item build for Drow Ranger playing into a Bristleback or Timbersaw offlane for example is: Tango, Circlet, Stick and 3 branches :) We made this section because a lot of players consistently start their game with the wrong items for the lane matchup and then try to make the most of a bad situation but don't quite get the ordering right. We wanted to help them in particular rather than just tell them what the correct starting items are as sometimes you get a starting item setup based on a guess of what you're playing into and then you guess wrong because the enemy are playing something off meta
@yoloboi9489
@yoloboi9489 16 күн бұрын
The mithril hammer 1st for bkb is so insightful. Most players just build ogre axe 1st which doesnt do anything until u get a bkb.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Totally agree. On a semantic level: there's value for Strength and Universal heroes in getting the Ogre Axe first for the extra HP and HP regen if they still want to brawl on their way to getting BKB and don't mind the slight sacrifice in damage: but for Agility and Intelligence heroes it's a no brainer to go Mithril Hammer every time. A lot of players just see they have 1k gold and instantly purchase the Ogre Axe without really thinking about what they're getting out of the investment.
@kiupeka
@kiupeka 15 күн бұрын
Hey! great contents of the video, great explaination, all I wanna point out, in my opinion and I think it might be helpful for your video format, try reducing the ammount of text, if you are already saying the whole sentece, like it can get distracting and tireing because i suppose we instictualy tend to read along and we pretty much combine our voices with your voice and sort of make a clutter in our heads ( I might be the only one here, if anyone else feels the same let's give positive feedback! )The most "agressive" you've used the text was between 5:37 and 6:32 it's almost a minute full of slideshows, which can be overwhelming for some viewers to have to look at the same type of format for too long, I don't have a statistic of how long is the attention span of Dota players, but I doubt is that big haha. Maybe you can implement a bit more footage in between, or short example clips such as *Necro travel TP CD 3-2-1 while ult is 52-51-50 as for example , something highlighting the two Coldowns. Anyway, the way you present and talk is certainly great and not boring, this is why the algorithm boosted your channel after all! Keep it up!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
Appreciate the feedback! When we started out we had a lot of people saying they couldn't understand what Phil was saying so we were pretty heavy handed with text elements. Things have been getting better so we've been scaling things back now but we're still clearly a bit too heavy handed - appreciate the critique. We'll keep pulling back on the text elements and use more video and graphics based material instead :) Glad you found value out of the video despite that
@mysteryguitarhaziq
@mysteryguitarhaziq 16 күн бұрын
Heres an idea, Dont get both circlet and primary stat +3 item. Instead buy either and rush your 1st item along with the wand + Up'ed boots. If you're really cheap, Hold on to stick and power out all the way till 1st item
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
The reason we couldn't show any example of an Immortal player doing what we were talking about is because of exactly this: they itemise correctly for the lane from the strategy phase. A Drow Ranger for example will start with tangoes, circlet, 3 branches and a Stick, then proceed to go Wraith Band first as the bump in armor early on does help with some of the harass the enemy pos 4 will usually put on to you. We wanted to talk about what to do in the situation where players itemise for the lane incorrectly and then don't realise until they get to the lane and have to improvise - making the most out of a bad situation. You're completely right though! Get your itemisation right from the very start and you avoid a lot of unnecessary headaches
@meloy9272
@meloy9272 9 күн бұрын
your teachings may be the key for me to break the chain of crusader HAHAHAHAHA
@jayrodriguez439
@jayrodriguez439 12 күн бұрын
the most suffering i have is when playing support and a fcking carries chooses to skip treads wand, bracers, band, talisman. They really fck up in lane if you try to assist mid and sideline. then blame you for dying because they have no boots.
@baiedatv7010
@baiedatv7010 16 күн бұрын
Will try this herald 2 here haha
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Good luck on the grind!
@Papiness
@Papiness 15 күн бұрын
stick takes skill & knowledge tho to know if you can force them to dish out spells without you just dying
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
True, we have a whole video on heroes that buying a stick in lane is good against. You should watch it if you haven't already :)
@gabriellelingatong9765
@gabriellelingatong9765 11 күн бұрын
I reached immortal without doing this. It really depends on how you itemize and adjust the flow of the game.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 10 күн бұрын
For some players raw mechanical skill can do a lot of heavy lifting for them for sure. Totally agree that itemisation at all stages of the game is a major key to success.
@anndrey93ify
@anndrey93ify 12 күн бұрын
Magic want is such a bad item from carry perspective. Keep it with stick no matter what because 1 branch is 50 gold and the Wand recipe is 150 gold. so 3 branches are 150 gold and Wand recipe is 150 gold in 100% theory you spend 150 gold for just a +1 stat! Here is the catch, depends on the game you will sell Wand pretty soon so the investment is meh until you lane against a Bristel or Bat or anything similar that spams spells like no day other.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 12 күн бұрын
Getting to heal 300 HP and mana for free is incredible value, plus you get the value of freeing up two slots. You have to think of the wider value, not just the raw stats
@novy1198
@novy1198 10 күн бұрын
i started like a month or two ago so i have only about 150 hours in dota but never thought about doing magic wand later, this item just look busted especially in early, i even carry it till mid or later if i dont have any better option
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 10 күн бұрын
Welcome, my friend: to the minority. I usually have to beg people to buy Magic Wands in general. It's excellent you're so early on in your DOTA journey and yet already understand just how strong it is. There's definite merit to delaying it at times, but in general if you're hitting max stacks without needing to pop the heal it's worth upgrading sooner rather than later.
@novy1198
@novy1198 10 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil i played league for years before i switched to dota so i might just be more conscious about items and what they do
@novy1198
@novy1198 10 күн бұрын
i usually sell magic wand after i have like 2/3 items cause in this moment the bonuses arent that big of a difference
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 10 күн бұрын
@@novy1198 that makes sense! You're on the right track re: time to sell it. If you have Dota+ you can see how much Wand heals you for each game. Most of the time the numbers sit around 1-2k
@novy1198
@novy1198 10 күн бұрын
​@@beneaththeveil ye i bought dota + on the start just to have some help with what to do and i did my own characters layout for dif roles but thats pretty much it, i dont think dota + actually gives you something important in the longterm so i prefer to buy skins for example than this
@gideonsaputra3677
@gideonsaputra3677 15 күн бұрын
You've got +1 new subscribers
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@jespersamuelsonmonkeygiga
@jespersamuelsonmonkeygiga 7 күн бұрын
Is this why techies is op rn? Extra spot in the backpack! 😮
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 7 күн бұрын
Yes sir! 7.36 is insane efficiency for Techies. Being a Universal hero, Techies benefits from all slots simultaneously so at the most simple itemisation level you could theoretically have 9 iron branches at once giving him 18.9 base damage for 450g.
@MegaMiquelon
@MegaMiquelon 15 күн бұрын
Sir, this lessons require players to have the ability to think, and that's asking a lot from many dota players.... jokes aside, great video actually. Sadly real dota lessons like this won't ever get more views than meme videos.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
Thank you! We have faith that there's enough of an audience out there that can apply some critical thinking, they just aren't given all the information from Valve in order to fully utilise it - that's what we're aiming to do. We're sure that if we stick on the path that we're on, we'll soon pass many of the accounts that you speak of who rely on gimmicks rather than solid fundamental game understanding :)
@SatraKien
@SatraKien 16 күн бұрын
Really good video
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed :)
@anurag7573
@anurag7573 16 күн бұрын
Your content is the God's gift to us dota newbies!
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Glad to be of help :) If there's anything you ever need clarification on or other mechanics that you'd like us to explain in future videos we're always listening to the growing community and are adding those ideas to our list for future videos
@icata12345
@icata12345 9 күн бұрын
Anyone noticed you can't force staff away from slark leash anymore??
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 9 күн бұрын
Yes. The only thing pertaining specifically to Leash in the patch notes was Mars' Bulwark soldiers no longer knocking enemies out of leashes. Do wonder if this change unintentionally altered the behaviour of all ways to break leashes.
@icata12345
@icata12345 8 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil As a suppport main i dont really like that atm xD
@lucubanget7265
@lucubanget7265 11 күн бұрын
Magic wand + 3 iron branch is worth it 😂
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 11 күн бұрын
You free up 2 item slots and double the potential healing you can give yourself for free for the rest of the game until the point you're on to your 4th/5th major item. Yes, it's worth the 150g investment
@RoboMuskVsLizardZuckerberg
@RoboMuskVsLizardZuckerberg 15 күн бұрын
What happened to point booster on archane boots? I need to reinstall Dota2
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 15 күн бұрын
Arcane Boots were reworked in the New Frontiers update over a year ago ☺️
@mohammadsajadi1821
@mohammadsajadi1821 16 күн бұрын
my favorite dota2 content ❤❤❤
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Glad to hear!
@Sushichese
@Sushichese 16 күн бұрын
thanks
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Welcome!
@shookxiv
@shookxiv 13 күн бұрын
blood grenade is the way
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 13 күн бұрын
If I could insert GIFs in comments sections just know I'd put the Jack Nicholson nodding one here
@Quadwert
@Quadwert 13 күн бұрын
what is low mmr for you
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 13 күн бұрын
Great question. This is an issue that we see happening pretty much right up to and including Ancient ranks and then by the point players hit Divine they're usually itemizing optimally. Most of the replays we review are between Guardian and Legend
@zhahan9839
@zhahan9839 10 күн бұрын
11:49 Hammer gives 24 damage
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 10 күн бұрын
Yes, this video was released before 7.36. the damage is higher now :)
@zhahan9839
@zhahan9839 10 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil haha, Hammer always gave 24 damage, mate :D
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 10 күн бұрын
Oh really? We must have butchered the numbers. Even so, better than Ogre Axe for GPM
@eversonllanzana5963
@eversonllanzana5963 14 күн бұрын
Is this AI narration?
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 14 күн бұрын
Nope ☺️ Just a New Zealand accent
@eversonllanzana5963
@eversonllanzana5963 14 күн бұрын
@@beneaththeveil Okay. Hard to tell tbh. Great vid btw.
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 14 күн бұрын
@@eversonllanzana5963 thank you ☺️
@elwonochi9892
@elwonochi9892 16 күн бұрын
first
@beneaththeveil
@beneaththeveil 16 күн бұрын
Well done
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