Every time they got Daenerys Targaryen Wrong! | Mad Queen? | Game of Thrones

Daenerys Targaryen in the final Season of Game of Thrones took a nose dive from empathetic merciful mhysa to Mad Queen. It's been one year since Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 5 The Bells and I still am mad at what was done with the character Daenerys Targaryen! In this video I will go over Daenerys Targaryen in the A song of Ice and Fire books, As well as the supposed foreshadowing that Daenerys would become a mad queen in the show! Almost all of the evidence used is show only evidence, It didn't make sense a year ago and it doesn't make sense today and every time I think about it I get mad all over again! I Stand by Daenerys Targaryen! The one true queen of Westeros, Mother of Dragons Breaker of chains! Thanks for Watching!
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[@Karina-jm2oe]

I can't believe it's been a year. The wound still feels fresh...

[@pplr1]

Because it was real. (Borrowing from someone else's comment but still a good one.)

[@HK-gm8pe]

there were a lot of things that made me angry but the fact how they treated dany....and people...why are people hating her...I will never understand that everything she did until season 8 made sense, she was hated for nothing

[@pplr1]

@@HK-gm8pe There are some people who probably didn't like when she came across as arrogant. That said she did a lot of good for a lot of people. So on balance she is positive to have around. Those who didn't like her may have been looking for excuses to even though the excuses don't excuse the season 8 nonsense. GoT is better if you just remove season 8. In Star Trek there is a mirror dimension where the personalities of the characters is different and usually more evil. Since they ignored long standing social traditions (season 2 showed us that bells don't means surrender) it makes it easier for me to say season 8 takes place in a mirror dimension detached from GoT.

[@dorothysalgado5337]

Karina I feel you

[@bigvirgonrg]

same here. I can’t hear about her or watch her, this is the first video I’ve watched of her in so long. I can’t even rewatch the series. I’ve never been sad over a character death like this

[@abookamongsthemanypj7140]

Season 8 killed the rewatch value of the entire series. Just horrible.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

I totally agree

[@JoycePinto]

cant even see snipets on KZbin. I get way too angry.

[@PapaEmeritus_4evr]

I know. I've re-watched the series like five times now and as season 6 slips away, I start to get disgusted because I know what's coming. A major disaster.

[@DzinkyDzink]

Sp you were with Littlefinger's death?

[@marwanali4878]

You can still rewatch it. I did so a few weeks ago. Just try to forget about that cluster fuck and stop watching after Dany destroys the Lannister armies which would be 7x4/7x5

[@alexandriac.5648]

They did the exact opposite of what they attempted to accomplish in Season 8. They made me hate the Starks and become a Targaryen loyalist for life. Thanks for the dragons now fuck off, you're not one of us. She sacrificed her armies and her dragons to save the North, who made it clear they did not appreciate her or respect her whatsoever. She was betrayed time and time again by her closest advisors. She told Jon exactly what would happen when he revealed his true identity and was absolutely correct. She deserved so much better. None of her behavior or past actions led up to or justified burning King's Landing after they surrendered.

[@ahsoka5216]

Same and I never thought I would hate the Starks, but after season 8, the writers made it seem like they only cared about themselves and became even larger backstabbers than the Lannisters by betraying Daenerys so they can have control over Westeros. It's soo off from their characters well except for Sansa who was taught by Cersei how to manipulate and deceive others.

[@racheldollton]

Oh, I absolutely agree. I hated the Starks in the end. The tried to make Arya some ninja badass when she just came off as this smug, arrogant girl. And Sansa... oh god don't get me started on her.

[@Diamondsrfvr]

This!!!

[@justineharper3346]

Same here

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

Alexandria C. Alexandria C. I agree with you as far as the show. I think Dany “may” go mad in the books! There’s so much content that GRRM will spell out. I feel that this was his original direction for Dany, but after the backlash and poor execution by D&D, I bet he will consider another way to close Dany’s story without her going “mad”.

[@emilyonizuka4698]

when people want her to be sad about her abuser, it just tells me a lot about them and how they feel about abuse victims

[@ismata3274]

and, i want to know how should a pregnant mother to be act when someone treathens her? oh please have at my pregnant stomach, would you prefer to stab me or kick my stomach till we die? here i lie down... and a father to be to let their pregnant wife killed......????

[@l.7584]

Those are the same people who defend slavery just because they hate a character and cause "its their tradition".

[@Daniel_Fo77]

There are two sides. Just talk to the child that lost her mother, just for living in a city. She did that, too. And one evil does never justify another, because all it does is create more evil, more hurt, more pain.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

​@@Daniel_Fo77 of course there are always two sides to an abuse situation, that doesn't automatically mean both sides are deserving of comparable amounts of sympathy. Not sure there are many sound arguments for why she should have cried for her rapey toxic brother, which is what OP is talking about.

[@Daniel_Fo77]

@@TheFreshTrumpet True, her abuse is worse and her victims deserve more sympathy than she does.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

Arya saying I know a killer when I see one made me instantly dislike her. Like she isn't a killer herself.

[@GrayArea]

AsToldByMuriel no one calls her Mad Arya for slaughtering House Frey root and stem.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

and arya would have killed some innocents to get a job done without having a feelings of guilt. and she denies a dying man mercy even when its a very dark grey character like sandor clegane.

[@bre_me]

Such bad bad bad writing......

[@nexis1293]

The hypocrisy of Arya Stark

[@morten4383]

Her mad father threatened to burn the city when everything was lost. Daenerys, who never had shown signs of madness, burned the city....after everything was WON! Season 8 of Game Of Thrones set a world record in stupid storytelling. Sad really.....In Season 1-4 it was the greatest show ever..... Great, great video, Gray!

[@janbadinski7126]

It's a shame they didn't just hire replacements for D&D for the last season, maybe even a season 9. We got robbed.

[@SkaterBlades]

Danaerys: No TV no beer make Dany something something Tyrion: Go crazy? Danaerys: DoN't mIND IF i DO

[@reyhanahuchard7920]

She was mad since the beginning i think im the only one who saw it

[@Ignasimp]

@@reyhanahuchard7920 she was not even as mad as other characters like Jaimie or Cersei, lol. There are plenty of characters that have done horrible things far worse that what she had done before season 8.

[@reyhanahuchard7920]

I MP i think it was the fact that at essos she was queen bcause they chosen her but in westeros she tried to be queen and be loved by everyone but it didn’t worked so she tried to be feared and then she lost jorah ,viserion,reaghal and misandei + John was the true king so she wanted to take revenge .cersei used the people against her so she burned them... i dont think she was mad but I think that she was able to do anything for the throne because it was her goal and she never gave up her goal but i think she was desperate ... i knew that she would do this since the season 5 but i think that her development was to fast (i still don’t support her anymore)

[@brannonrrmartin4425]

There are no hints that the writers planned this years in advance. They don't seem to know how to properly foreshadow plot point and pay them off. Let's just move forward from this show which was run by two men who didn't fully understand the source material. We should wait to get the final two books.

[@marywilcox3102]

If D&D say they planned this years in advance, they're more delusional than we thought.

[@throttle1000]

"I can't be lord of anything." - Bran in Season 7

[@marywilcox3102]

@@throttle1000 Then he becomes King of the Six Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. "Why do you think I came down here." - Bran in Season 8. The character inconsistency is incredible!

[@s4m1r_65]

in one of those "inside the episode " in season six, "Dumber" says "she is not like her father. she is good. there is a targaryen ruthlessness in her, but she isn't mad." when speaking of the battle of the bastards episode and danny burns the ships in slaver's bay

[@nexis1293]

@El-ahrairah Examples ?????

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Love Daenerys. I hated the final season, can't re-watch the series because of season 8. I agree that they didn't always have this planned for Dany since the beginning because all we have to do is go back to season 7 finale, all the pregnancy foreshadowing was there!!! What really happened was that they switched roles between Cersei and Daenerys at the last minute in order to be unpredictable. Cersei was supposed to go mad queen after her miscarriage and Daenerys was supposed to be pregnant. Jaime was supposed to kill Cersei after she had went mad.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

I can't either. I've tried and tried but I can't enjoy it knowing what they did to Dany. I'm hoping 10 years from now the story is picked up and starts off with a weakened but revived Dany in Mereen.

[@nathangoddard6082]

I cant rewatch either - and I wasn't the biggest dany fan either. I agree with everything u say 100%

[@ahsoka5216]

I was so upset when I saw how poorly they ended Daenerys' story because it's so off from her character who was always selfless and sacrificed literally everything for the people. Based on Daenerys' vision in the House of the Undying, it was probably foreshadowed for her to die and not win the Iron Throne, but her going "mad" as the reason for it, was not a wise decision by the writers.

[@ashleyofnaath]

Lena Heady said she shot a miscarriage scene that was supposed to air in season 7, and that it was her understanding that the miscarriage was to drive Cersei even further into madness, and we would've seen her worst yet. But it was scrapped and she didn't know why. That proves that D&D didn't have Dany's ending planned seasons ago. As you said it was supposed to be Cersei. They lied.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

@@ashleyofnaath exactly!!!! For people who don't get why people hated the final season, it's because it didn't make any sense it felt like the storyline came out of left field somewhere it didn't line up with season 7 at all. It felt like a completely different story with different characters I don't get how some people couldn't see it.

[@RTannamal]

Ari killed a bunch of children and fed them to their father. But she is a Hero and Dany is CRAZY. i stand by Dany

[@Codiggity369]

they were two his grown sons but I feel you

[@reyhanahuchard7920]

They killed her family... but people of king’s landing don’t

[@warchiefvenomn7612]

There is a huge difference in killing a bunch of people in a gruesome way in the name of revenge, and totally genocide an entire city filled with people, including children that did absolutly nothing to her.

[@meanmachine08]

A bunch of children? Two big grown men 🤣

[@FrayAdjacentTX]

People don't seem to mention that in S6 in Vaes Dothrak, Daenerys wasn't there by her own design. It wasn't a situation she put herself in. Her choices were: 1. Flee with Daario and Jorah... and be ridden down and killed by the Dothraki (they're really good horsemen, you know?) 2. Stay and be raped to death 3. Turn the tables and end up in a far superior position I think in the books, she's going to end up in conflict with fAegon, and King's Landing will burn, but unintentionally. It'll give her a reputation that she'll have to fight against. She won't be "mad queen", but she'll have a reputation as such. She may even be the cause (or think she is) of the fires. It'll set up her inner conflict. After all "the human heart in conflict with itself is the only thing worth writing about."

[@epicsandwich7194]

Absolutely facts. Even in my GoT discussions with friends I still maintain the position that Dany got done dirty.

[@HawaiiBlueMermaid]

She absolutely was done dirty! I LOVED Emilia’s performance this season, but Dany’s character was handled VERY poorly!

[@epicsandwich7194]

Blue Mermaid absolutely. GRRM himself said there was enough material for 10 seasons or more but D&D still rushed through and pissed it away. The debacle of season 8 is squarely at their feet.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

It was a set-up and she was framed. It smelled like a set-up since season 7, when they did these convoluted plans, just to weaken her artificially and even out the chances... make it balanced. Normally, she would have taken KL immediately, but no, they had to take Casterly Rock and other detours, then the plan to get a wight... why would she need to do all that if Cersei was out of the picture? Then all the characters around her started repeating over and over and over: oh, I don't know about her... she's too temperamental... She actually comes to HELP in the north (she could have done that easily after taking out the Lannisters), Sansa is all like: she brought TOO MANY men + dragons... what do dragons eat? Gee! You'd think a stronger army is a good thing when it's on your side... Nope! Sansa-logic says no! Next time my country is called to war, we'll just send 1 guy... He's easy to feed! 😀 Then Euron keeps always surprising her army... again and again and again... and again... and again... "she kinda forgets" a lot... Oh, and he's a highly-trained sniper! And her fleet is apparently made of cardboard (not even real-life cannons could penetrate that easily through a ship's hull from that distance)... In E05 of course, they show us the children that are about to get fried in advance: "think of the children!" In an attempt at emotional manipulation. Then Hitler speech references in E06... of course like any cartoon villain, she wants to conquer the world (she never, ever, ever, ever expressed any such notion before, but here we are, this is what's happening, they kida forgot to foreshadow this one)... So yes, it was a set-up, not even a subtle one, gaslighting and emotional manipulation.

[@epicsandwich7194]

Octavian Popescu I fully believe Bran had a hand in that and got in her head even though it wasn’t actually shown

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@epicsandwich7194 Not sure about that...but yes, it makes sense. Bran only wanted to be the 3ER to get a better view of the battle at Winterfell... because he didn't do anything else with that power. And it would have been so easy to push him as King, if only he did something absolutely crucial to winning against the NK. Then Tyrion could have said: "he saved us all", "he led us in the battle" instead of "stories" and yes, he may not have been people's first choice, but at least it would have been solid argument to make him king (even though he said he couldn't be lord of anything... repeatedly)

[@bellarichards7753]

This is the first video ive watched in over a year gray area, every time i think of game of thrones, i think of how badly D&D screwed Danys character. Dany wasn't even mad, she was completely broken by the scum around her Characters like Sansa Jon Tyrion Varys betraying her and undermining her at every opportunity, when it was dany who saved them all. The starks couldn't even defend themselves as a kingdom without dany and they have the nerve to treat her with disrespect.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

northmen arent first men.

[@lamo1724]

@bella Richards what you say is absolutely true. 100% spot on. And that's why George RR Martin wanted Dany to be the crazed queen. Step back from favourite GoT characters / houses a moment... And I ask @GrayArea to do the same. Everything great powers do is fabulous. Let's cheer for all the great things they do... Until we suddenly realise they're doing it to the people we quite like. Dany WAS slighted by those In the North. But because they didn't show her the respect she deserved as she drank her Starbucks, that didn't mean they deserved to be next on her hitlist. And that's exactly the point of A Song of Ice & Fire. Nothing is black and white; there's a shed load of grey... And that's just from one person's viewpoint. Dany hadn't considered why Sansa was so worried about ANOTHER battle for the 7 Kingdoms. She just got angry when Sansa hadn't realised that she'd done foolish things for Jon's love. It reminded me of the Greek tale Jason & The Argonauts. Medea was a high borne priestess. She was the ruler's daughter... Yet she helped Jason conquer his trials and take the Golden Fleece from her people. Marrying him, having his children, she left her home, her father, her throne for love. Yet when Jason gets back home with the Golden Fleece, HE'S considered the hero and given the blessing to wed another princess. As @GrayArea debates the rationale for Dany being pissed and killing all the people that wronged her, you'd agree that Medea too had every right to be pi$$ed... ...so she slaughters her own children to hurt Jason. Dany overcame so much... By burning them f%%%ers to the ground. Her empathy is only evident cos it aligns to our way of thinking. But when her idea of empathy is to 'break the wheel' for all those oppressed in the North, like Medea killing her own kids, suddenly we realise this is wrong. George RR Martin wrote an epic. I don't think D&D told his story in the way he'd have wanted, but they definitely presented his vision to end the senseless battle for the Iron Throne. All that death, all that heartache, all that anger, all that despair. GoT is a tale to retell our children, and our children's children. When is 'all you've ever wanted' more important than all you've ever needed? The human race is a social race. We're people needing people. Instead of jumping on one side or another, let's find out more about what we have in common than just waiting to spot our differences. Cos in the wise words of Edwin Starr, "War... Uh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!" xxx

[@santhoshr7502]

Yes..I hate northerners..include jon

[@nexis1293]

@@lamo1724 Stick your ending up your ass

[@subroy7123]

@@lamo1724 " And that's why George RR Martin wanted Dany to be the crazed queen" Citation needed.

[@javiermendezperez6910]

This entire video I was like: "PERIOOOOOOOOOOOODT"

[@marimarujaa7818]

🙃🙃🙃🙃🤣🤣🤣yesss

[@pikablu_25]

EXACTLY

[@saymyname2417]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean she is right about Daenerys.

[@rldany4654]

Daenery is my favourite Character of all time, D&D are nothing but hacks

[@jimfox1477]

Same, Daenery Targaryen for life

[@christophertracy7136]

I love Daenerys Targaryen 2 even if she did burn down King's Landing she needed 2 attack in S7 and get the Iron Throne, then she could rally the 7 Kingdoms against the fight.

[@dustinalvarez7071]

I'm not fan of her in the book and even less int the TV series.But it still piss me off what they did to her .I dont even imagine people who liked her loll

[@dustinalvarez7071]

@UCXS7yRpwJl0cU3l1OmqGvsQ umm okay are you alright ? you know people can like other caracthere more then other and not be a fuckbooi

[@markpjf85]

Story was a big f you to the fans of daenerys < she was not crazy or mad > that title goes to ceresi that was foreshadowed very early on

[@markpjf85]

That’s why season 8 > the bell the throne was a shit episodes / ruin the show that period.....

[@markpjf85]

Mel of Winterfell totally 👍 of course

[@gregoryluckie1649]

Last two seasons of GOT were a complete waste of time.

[@GrayArea]

Gregory Luckie I love Game of Thrones which is why I was so pissed they just rushed to an ending it was nothing like the first 4 seasons.

[@sleekoduck]

I think the books are pointing at Cersei and Faegon burning Kings Landing with Rhaegal and Viserion. Euron and Dragonbinder are a red herring. Dany's arc is heading for the Trident, not Kings Landing.

[@edpistemic]

@@boymomx3OG Spot on, Mel! Me too.

[@lastquarter3992]

@@sleekoduck True, there's so much foreshadowing for the Trident thing. Also, I saw a theory on Reddit saying that the show vision in the HotU where Daenerys goes for the throne symbolises winter reaching King's Landing and Daenerys being close to taking the throne but turn away, called by the real fight : the War of the Dawn. George was very present next to D&D at that time so it could be a clue about what was really meant to happen. And then D&D subverted expectations.

[@PlanetLexishere]

I kinda enjoyed S7, there was some errors here and there but it was WAYYY better than S8

[@astoldbymuriel103]

Exactly Randyll Tarley and the Lannister army just decimated people of Highgarden. Danny had every right to avenge her allies. Olenna basically told her to do as much before she died.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

yup. lady olenna asked dany if she is a sheep or a dragon. and dany has chosen being a dragon rather than being a sheep.

[@astoldbymuriel103]

@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 I just wish she had chosen to do so earlier. ... I still have melancholy moments about this show.

[@Daniel_Fo77]

They decimated the army of high garden, which fought them. There is a difference between fighting a war with an army and slaughtering a whole city of civilians.

[@aryasuperstark9599]

@@Daniel_Fo77 They didn't stop there, they pilleged and raped the lands around highgarden, watch the scene with Jamie and dickon before Dany burns their arses

[@subroy7123]

@@Daniel_Fo77 Tywin obliterated two houses and kept the ruins of the castle standing as a reminder. He slaughtered plenty of civilians while sacking KL during Robert's Rebellion. He slaughtered the civilian population of the entire Riverlands from God's Eye to the Red Fork during the War of Five Kings via Gregor Clegane which is why A Feast for Crows exists. He backed the Red Wedding. He was Hand of the King, Lord of Casterly Rock, and the most revered man in Westeros. This proves that Westeros doesn't see the slaughter of civilians as a sign of madness, but something to be respected. There is no reason for them to see Dany's actions in any different light. The "difference" you're talking about doesn't exist in this universe.

[@jorgehernandez4098]

People always say that Daenerys only cares about the Iron Throne, but they forget why she wants it. Yes at first is cause it is her right, but as she goes through her journey her mind set changes she wants it cause she wants to change the world, as said in the series "we're going to leave the world a better place then we found it". Dany wants to make thigs better for the little people, she cares for those the high lords ignore. With the Iron throne she hopes to make a kingdom where the common folk are happy and fed, where pretty maidens can safely prance around the city, where children can laugh and play with out a care in the world. She is honestly the best Queen the Westerosi can hope for.

[@orphanedhanyou]

She wants to break the wheel while standing on it to support her claim and still play the old game. She's just like the rest.

[@Klondike877]

Not really because she had way too much power and knew it. She actually killed and have been a tyrant ruler for the sake of making a better world, since when closing brotels, removing slaves home was a great thing? Slaves had life with their master and for some were way better than being liberated in the street without a thing to do or the energy and will to do. She clashed her way in, and didnt work! She havent done many compromise, reasonnable choices that would sold her reign, but instead took it like a mad person would do, and does it gives you power and rights, YES, but NOT respect and loves from people. Ok the slaves, called her Misa lol but what can you do with slaves that doesnt have many thing to help her, she kind of forget to liberate slave does not help them if you dont help them in the end. She was just a mist of hope and thats it to me. She should have spare the Tarly to show her clemence, but NO... bad decision she tooks. She should have spare them and let them reflect their choices, after the devastating battle she had done with the Lannister and Tarly. She could have been accepted, also, if she never was like BEND THE KNEE, all the time, may be people would have loved her more. If you dont show your respect for people, people wont respect you and proclaim you as leader. She was just the oposite of Jon Snow who always make decision in for other than himself and would put his life to help others. ALso he was not a dreamer of better places blablabla... he knew wars were innevitable, he knew some blood had to be spread, but would always avoid it if he could. Dany would desire to avoid blood, but her actions shows opposite all the time, especially when she tooks decisions on the spot, by her emotion...

[@jorgehernandez4098]

@@Klondike877 ok so you're clearly pulling from the show, which as stated already is not Daenerys. In the books Daenerys doesn't slaves abandon the slaves she stays in Mereen for them cause she doesn't want them to be re enslaved the moment she leaves. While she wasn't doing great a first, she was learning through trial and error, and she eventually starts getting the hang of it. And Bruh read the books in a dance with dragons Dany pretty compromises with everything, she spends whole days sitting on a throne listening to her peoples complains and request until her back hurts, but she's uncompromising right??!! She re opens the fighting pits after a meeting with the gladiators, she let's some slave return to their masters with certain conditions, whether it be paynent, just treatment, etc. Btw I hope you were not trying to make a point as to why slavery is alright, yes a very few slaves had it good with their masters but most were treated inhumanely, they got brutally beaten, they were excessive worked without any pay or compensation, their women were raped, their children were taken from them and fucking crucified just to send a message to Daenerys, yes Daenerys 100% did the right thing by abolishing slavery. Btw Dany was loved by the people, what you're talking about is that bullshit from the show, which Daenerys would be welcomed and loved by the Targaryen loyalists in Westeros, they'll be super excited to see the last daughter of Valyria, the breaker of chains and the mother of dragons, hellooo Westeros was built on dragon back. If you think Daenerys war methods make her crazy then you must think people like Tywin, Stannis, Roberth, Rob Stark, Catelyn, Little Finger, Varys, Hound and Arya are fucking insane. Also why is it so crazy entitled when Dany ask people to bend the knee, bru she's giving them a choice, what would you expect her to do, let them go, so they can go back to their commanding officers and relay information, when Rob and Tywin ask people to bend the knee nobody says shit but when it's Daenerys she's entitled, she's crazy, the mad queen. Btw Stannis didn't even gave them the chance to join, he was straight up burning his captors as a sacrifice to a fire god that he doesn't really believe in because a fire witch told him to, that's some cult leader type of shit, now that is crazy behavior, but people ignore it. The books are written in points of view, so you literally read what they are thinking and Daenerys often thinks of making the world a better place.

[@jorgehernandez4098]

@@orphanedhanyou Game of thrones and a Song of Ice and Fire are two different things. If she was following the old way she would stay the fuck in Esos cause she would have no real claim to the throne cause women don't have the right to inherit the throne.

[@Klondike877]

@@jorgehernandez4098 i read dance with dragons and obviously its better than the show, but people are complaining about the show, not the books.

[@tootieq6527]

GOT used to be my most rewatchable show ever, until the eighth season. Now I have no desire to watch it at all.

[@alex-jq4gu]

I stand by her as well... everytime I look at old episodes I get triggered and so damn angry that they wrote her out the way they did..😡🤬 Hail House Targaryen!! Queen Daenerys Stormborn !!🧝🏻‍♀️

[@bluegypsy71]

I still hate Sansuck, I’ll never get tired of calling her Cersei lite...a backstabbing mean girl who got a Disney dress and crown at the end, FFS🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@vikkidonn]

Dude I called her in the first episode.... She was a little psycho from day one. People were like she's a child and she was raped. Yes. But she's still a little power hungry control freak psycho

[@bluegypsy71]

Vivian Yup...she got Lady killed, that was enough for me

[@christophertracy383]

Sansa was the one who sent a Raven to Cersei about Queen Daenerys movements and we all know what happened to Rhaegal and kidnapped Missandei!

[@FlyinBlaney]

I think it's really interesting that she started being a knob after the source material ran out. Georgy Porgy won't write Sansa that way, I hope.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I actually liked Sansa, I liked her since she threatened Joffrey when he was showing her Ned's head, but they ended up ruining her for me. After Daenerys, she was my second choice (Stannis was long dead... so was Tywin), but her attitude in the last season... Honestly, I'll give the characters a pass, they weren't themselves, it's like there were these strange people that looked the same that replaced them, but I won't give the writers a pass.

[@pinkleslie1275]

DAENERYS, understood war was a necessary evil, regardless how she felt about it, thats not madness!

[@christophertracy383]

I get pissed that she lost Viserion rescuing Jon Snow who killed her.

[@forensikarie]

I've already written something similar under another comment here but Dany was also very much ok with her husband and her people burning down entire villages and raping & killing hundreds of innocents. And in the books, she's even less bothered by it than in the show. She spoke up for exactly one person out of all the villagers her husband ordered to kill and later thought of herself to be a saint because of it. Are the actions of the Dothraki also a necessary evil? Apparently she thought so because she didn't love Khal Drogo or his lads any less because of it.

[@jimfox1477]

@Mimosa - Sure great argument, you sound just as clueless as D&D.

[@jimfox1477]

@Mimosa - Yeah she was insane saving million of slaves in Esso, yep she was selfish saving the starks and westeros when she could of claim the iron throne for herself. You sir are a dumbass😂,go watch the walking dead, it's about your level😂

[@jimfox1477]

@Mimosa - Dany didn't benefit a thing for saving the slaves, the masters of astapor offer her ships and gold and instead she turned those things down. She stayed in Esso because the slave masters threatened to put the slaves back into slavery. Her time in meereen was terrible, because the masters funded the harpy insurgency against her, Dany didn't even have a chance to rule meereen. Your too much of a bias arsehole to admit that and twist shit like the pathetic Human being that you are. how was Dany cruel??, Shame you don't give us any examples of this cruelty, you sir are a thick bastard and have no place in the game of thrones community. Go support your lame backstabbing Starks, who did nothing for 8 season but betray the one person who saved them

[@martidodger7106]

D&D: * Spends 7.5 seasons showing how Dany is working to *NOT* be her father/wants to be a good ruler worthy of her birthright/knows that she shouldn't just go over to Westeros and demand the throne, like Viserys, would have just because they're entitled to it, / understands that she has to earn the crown through conquest and winning the people over to her just like Aegon I and Bobby B did / is a flawed character just like fan faves Tyrion, Stannis, Jaime, Robb..etc./ even when she wasn't the Targaryan heir, was completely loyal to her abusive brother. Wasn't jealous of Viseyrs nor did she want to steal his crown-she was happy being Khaleesi to her Sun and Stars and would have been content having a home amongst the Dothraki had Drogo not died* D&D End of Season 8: Welp, y'know, Bitches be crazy...we totally planned this out btw. Gods by the end of Season 4 when they'd run out of GRRM material, the cast and crew were the ones holding this show together, not the showrunners and the writers at all

[@Diamondsrfvr]

Marti Dodger ....Right on!......All of it.

[@flygonkerel781]

Edcept,that she did demand the throne based only on her birthright.

[@martidodger7106]

@@flygonkerel781 She demands it because she legitimately has a claim. However, unlike her brother, that "demand" is backup by the understanding that the Westerosi aren't going to just hand it over just because she has a right and a claim. Dany is intelligent to know that she has to do a lot of politicking and play the game in order to "earn it" as Aegon I and Bobby B did when they won the right to rule by conquest - winning advantageous positions, making friends and allies from their former enemies, inspiring loyalty among the people who follow her, adopting (in Aegon I's case) Westerosi culture and ruling standards - which is what she was doing in Mereen as a test run - actually ruling as opposed to conquering and moving on; using Westerosi traditions (having a small council, abolishing slavery- which she was already doing but then further justified it in her rule because Westeros doesn't have slavery and their economy is able to function without it, so Mereern and the rest will have to adjust to their new world order Dany's rule brought). Whereas Viserys would have just taken the Dothraki over to Westeros and been like "Gimme the Throne! Because I am the Targaryan heir" and not understand *why* no one would be interested in following him/possibly turn on him/why Bobby B isn't getting off his throne and just giving it to him

[@bigivel]

@@martidodger7106 I think you're making a misrepresentation of Vyseris and the situation. You said that he was just gonna go to westeros and demand his place, but in fact the little we have of him, you have him directly talking with Illyrio(The guy that gave Dany the Dragon eggs), as asking if he was really sure that there were still many loyalists that would support him when he reached Westeros. So literally he was expecting to get the support of the people there, and he knew that he needed that support. And in fact that support, even though not as exagerated by Illyrio, in fact existed. In fact the support Dany earned in Westeros when she reached there: Dorne, The Reach and the Iron Island, was some of the support that it was expected from the start by Vyseris(In fact in the books, I'm not seeing her getting the support of the Reach). Just because Jorah said to Dany that Vyseris was daydreaming thinking that he would have support from westeros(proving again that he was expecting to get it), doesn't means Jorah was right. In fact Jorah knows way less about politics and "the game" than Illyrio and Varys(that was with Illyrio) and they were expecting that Vyseris reaching Westeros with a Dohtraki army would get the support of many houses and be able to topple the current rule. About Aegon I, he had to fight all his reign with the people of the faith and the people in general due to the Incest and poligamy. In fact, that problem continued way after his death. Also isn't like he adopted the Westerosi culture, but that he already had that culture, when his family changed to Dragon Stone, many generation before him, were already getting "Cultured" by westeros, for example since infancy Aegon I was from the faith of the 7. Bobby B winning, making friend and allies from his former enemies? Well, the only enemy that he made friend and made any real political sense was the Reach, and it wasn't even really him but Ned and Jon Arryn. And because the Reach was the strongest Kingdom already at that time. Dorne, he didn't even touched their grounds in his entire Reign, and almost got any contact with them, because he knew that it was his head that would be the result. It was again Jon Arryn that had to go talk to them, to avoing another war. Though, that wouldn't happen anyway. All the others were already his allies or were neutral. The rebellion was a collition with Vale-North-Riverlands-Stromlands, and in the end Westerlands(Lannisters) joined(they were neutral before). The Iron Islands were Neutral, and the enemies were The Kinglands(that were attacked by Lannisters, I would call that making friends of enemies), Dragonstone and surrounding Islands(The sisters), The Reach and Dorne. And all other houses that even in their respective allied kingdom decided to fight for the Crown, but read the books and see what happened to most of those houses, it wasn't certainly "making friends with enemies" either.

[@laurafreedlund2899]

@@flygonkerel781 Who did she demand it from, exactly? No one was going to give the throne to her, she knew she needed to take it back herself and spent years building her power towards that end. If you mean she thinks she has a birthright to rule after the death of her brother, that's pretty standard for royalty and nobility. She isn't the only person on the show who thought she should be running things and was willing to do some terrible shit to attain that goal.

[@tracymetherell8744]

Dany is one of the most important, inspiring heroines in all of fantasy! She will NEVER kill the innocents of Kings Landing! This disastrous turn of her character arc is such a betrayal!

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Hated the mad queen story line, its like saying someone's future is genetically determined, as if she was destined to go mad and that there was no way out of it. Also that mad King was a paranoid schizophrenic.

[@ashleyofnaath]

That story line, meaning the 'mad queen' plot, would've worked and been far more sensible if Cersei had been used. Especially if she lost her baby on top of losing the war. Or, they could've even utilized Euron and actually had him do something reminiscent of what his book counterpart is going to do. But instead, they gave us this horribly contrived nonsense w/Daenerys that ruined the show. It's a shame.

[@hemanni2629]

Is it not possible the mad king went mad because Varys (or another) was poisoning him?

[@Diamondsrfvr]

@@ashleyofnaath ...." they gave us this horribly contrived nonsense w/Daenerys that ruined the show. It's a shame."........Absolutely!

[@Diamondsrfvr]

@@boymomx3OG Yes, that kind of message is utter BS.

[@melrenfrusc]

@@boymomx3OG Yes, it's like no matter how hard I work to have a better life and be a better person, I'll end up as a drunk violent person just like my father. What kind of message D&D were trying to give us? I doubt GRRM would write a character surrounded by prophecies, magic, fireproof skin, rebirth of dragons, just to turn her into madness. It doesn't make any sense, maybe if she had only military power it would make more sense but in the context Martin built for her is just so pointless.

[@s.w.d4010]

Can we talk about how the show made Euron and Cersei better allies than Daenerys and the North? The writing on this show was so bad that they made the “villains” better than the “protagonists.” Euron and Cersei never betrayed each other and they worked really well together. Cersei had NOTHING to offer Euron. The Iron Fleet gave Cersei all of her military wins & advantages. I don’t understand why the Ironborn didn’t just take King’s Landing in season 7. But nearly everyone on team Daenerys (after she brought her entire army & dragons North to fight for the Starks) were happy to betray her because they believed that Daenerys was insane based on absolutely nothing. This show is a fucking joke.

[@chandrawagner4061]

That is a really good point actually. Never thought about it because I try not to think about euron and Cersei too much but you're right. They were a solid team, even down to the whole act he put on in s7 about leaving to escape the dead but really getting the golden company. Damn.

[@enviedcookie5773]

I agree a thousand percent with everything you’ve said. That last season was an absolute *atrocity* and destroyed the best show ever. Can’t believe it’s been a year already and I haven’t rewatched a single episode. Nor do I plan to. Even now, I can hear the emotion in your voice with the bullshit they gave us. I feel the same way...anger when I think about how it ended. Disgusting. Oh. And the loot train attack was my absolute favorite scene of all time. I absolutely loved it (before dumbass and dipshit destroyed the series of course.) ♥️

[@wisdommanari6701]

Honestly what pisses me off is that people call Danny mad when she's really just being Ruthless and Naive at times. Was Tywin mad? No. is Roose Bolton mad? No. They're ruthless men that order some of the most cruel and horrendous acts in the show/books but no one thinks they are insane. You can call Danny a lot of things. But Crazy isn't one of them. Honestly if Aerys wasn't called the Mad King no one would have labeled Danny as such... But people love to have their parallels in storytelling 🙄

[@ellieh0397]

The Queen we chose. Always

[@ValyTraveler]

You have no idea - well, maybe at how pissed I was watching -reactors- for GoT's and how they went along with the /mad BS of mad queen Daenerys... Like HOW? HOW? Them - "You see - she Targaryen, and those people are crazy"... Me - When, how is she crazy, when did she go crazy/mad... We were watching the same episodes... T - She went mad when she burned the armies and Sam's dad and brother... M - What?! Seriously, she was in a war like every other character in this show... T - But she used her dragons and burned people alive... M - So, everyone else used a sword, poison, that green stuff, dogs and shadow babies to name a few... And they were all alive before they died, too... It made no since - sorry to vent - but this topic points out how gullible people were to go along with this story line.😠..

[@Mitsu2040]

Daenerys gave them a swift execution. Sansa fed Ramsay to his dogs and enjoyed watching while it happened. Even when Dany killed the witch who murdered her child and husband, she didn't revel in it.

[@letsthink1124]

Not to mention no one tought Aegon the conqueror nor his sisters were mad when they used dragons in war. And I totally get what you mean

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Apparently ruthlessness toward her enemies is the same thing as insanity. Only when Dany displays that trait., of course. In every other character it's all good.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Excellent analysis! 2 things that really bothered me regarding other characters' attitude towards her (besides the things I've seen discussed in this and other videos): 1. When Tyrion tells Jon, "everywhere she goes EVIL men die" and he says it like it's a bad thing... How? How is killing EVIL people (at least in the context of that world) a bad thing? It's like he doesn't know what EVIL means or like that specific qualifier isn't even there. And he even enumerates the different evil people she killed. She should receive a medal for that, not be called "mad" 2. When Arya pretty much tells Jon... "Yeah! We used her because we needed her! Now we don't need her anymore!" This is the moral character of the children of Ned Stark. THIS! This is what Ned Stark taught them. You'd think the girl that thought Aegon's sisters were heroes, that was smiling in E01 when she first saw Drogon, would actually like to at least talk to the Dragon Queen. Nope! They don't even exchange 2 words, but Arya hates her all the same... for no reason... other than because Sansa hates her... for no reason... Joffrey was right about them. The Boltons were right about them. The Lannisters were right about them. Roose Bolton and Walder Frey were heroes at the Red Wedding. The Starks sucked (and I had liked Sansa ever since season 1, since she threatened Joffrey when he was showing her Ned's head).

[@bAmMoD216]

Thankyou for bringing up that the Tarlys did the same thing as the Bolton's and the Fray's. It has been bugging me that no one points that out. Do I think Dany should have been queen by the end ,I wanted her to BUT I also know that girl deserves to find her little house with the red door and lemon tree and free herself. Do I think Dany and Aegon are going to fight, yeah but if and when KL burns I don't think the intent will be there or even Dany herself. I think it will be blamed and scapegoated towards her as a propaganda agenst her to paint her like her father.

[@lauralee835]

It was probably the Starbucks cup in episode 2 that made her turn into the mad queen.

[@timothythorne9182]

I think if we have a scene like "the bells" it'll be Jon Con flipping when the bells ring

[@kaleanaking5292]

I bet you the bells only happened because they mixed some of faegons storyline with hers. Taking over dragonstone and attacking kings landing seems like what he's already done in the books. Personally though ever since I read the first book I knew she was going to end up the big bad at the end of it all

[@bigivel]

First in the books, the bells were never a sign of surrender, nor something of the sort. Nor in the show, except exactly in that case(another stupid idea of D&D that come out of nowhere). It makes no sense for Jon Con to get Mad by the Bells, because if they change the meaning of ringing bells and he misinterpets them, then he is in the right.

[@timothythorne9182]

@@bigivel her could be maddened by them because of some sort of PTSD from the Battle of the Bells where he lost to Robert

[@bigivel]

@@timothythorne9182 But like I said, the Bells never meant surrender. So him having PTSD when they are in fact attacking, is no PTSD at all. Bells in that case meant a calling to arms. Because they always meant a calling to something. For gathering because someone just died, or someone has a important message to all, or somebody is being judged, or for defense against attackers, or even to attack. So his mind playing tricks about an attack, when in fact is an attack(or should be), should be considered as it playing tricks.

[@marianafata8169]

Targaryen loyalist for ever. Thank you for this juice, this "ending" will not happen in the books.

[@christophertracy383]

I knew Sansa was bad when she yelled at Jon that he brought a Targaryen Queen!

[@stupidusername84]

I guess Sansa is a mad queen too because she smiled when her abuser was brutally murdered. And if Daenerys being indifferent is a sign she’s mad, then the Six Kingdoms is screwed because that is all Bran is. He’s indifferent to everything.

[@lornacorderowright7013]

I’m still pissed, even listening to the soundtrack which btw is amazing gets me upset! They totally screwed it up!

[@j.e.9737]

Lorna Cordero Wright I loooooovvvve the soundtrack ❤️

[@ryryfloridaboyvlogs5729]

In an interview with emilia clarke after the shooting of the bells, she said she had to go on a long walk after reading the script just to process everything she read. That alone is telling us this wasn't a planned out character arch, but a rushed mess.

[@tytybaby06]

Exactly!! A year later & I’m sick of making all these points in defense of her it’s like it’s ok for everyone else to kill their enemies but Daenerys

[@havila33]

A year later and we are all still f-ed up about it.

[@thevampireyahweh5253]

It annoys me how many people preferred Jon's claim to Dany's. Jon was a Night's Watch deserter. His vows weren't just until death. They were "for all my nights to come."

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

yep. and coming back from the comatics doesnt end the service and duty towards the nights watch.

[@thevampireyahweh5253]

@Mimosa - the point of my comment was that death did not, in fact, nullify his vows, due to the wording of the vows. "All my nights to come" would still be valid, no matter how many times he dies.

[@thevampireyahweh5253]

Lost what? Are you in a competition?

[@thevampireyahweh5253]

@Mimosa - I was only bringing in consideration of the vows as a whole, instead of cherrypicking one line. The vows end with "I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come." It seems muddy at best. Enough to call into question whether or not he's free of his duties. It seems like you might be a little too emotionally attached to have a casual conversation about it though. Just take a breath. This wasn't a fight. It was two people discussing a book.

[@thevampireyahweh5253]

@Mimosa - Death wasn't the only stipulation, though. There were other stipulations. You can't just logically discard all but the first line because you like Jon. At best, one can argue that the vows are unclear and contradictory. "It says the death thing first" is not a satisfactory answer to the problem at hand. You can't just make a hard assertion and demand everyone to change their views, while simultaneously refusing to address the entire body of information. I honestly almost didn't respond because I thought you might be trolling me.

[@josephedwardsarena9487]

I stand by Daenerys No one who reads the book would defend that ending whether they like Danny or not.

[@lacecy1990]

One thing we need to know and have it clear, If Dany was Mad, the moment she knew about Jon she would have hesitated the 2 times she saw Jon in danger, first time up in the sky when Jon was going at it with the Nk, and the second time where Jon was outnumbered on the ground! DANY would have hesitated to save his ass! but SHE DIDN'T!!! SHE SAVED HIS ASS IN A HEARTBEAT! 2. Tyrion used Jon the same way Sam used Jon....getting into his head! all so Tyrion can save his own head!!! he knew he was about to die! and rightfully so!!! he knew Varys was trying to kill her, he had chosen sides the moment Dany told him she captured Jaime!!! he was pissed Dany destroyed the RK and his siblings died cuz of it!!! He used Jon! because he never mentioned Jon was the rightful heir afterward!! and when he was talking to Jon he made his Identity as a huge matter!!! And Bran, fucking knew everything!!! he has visions of the future not just the past!!! He had the vision of Drogon flying over KL! He had the vision of the wildfire going all out, and that vision was from when Cersei used the WildFire ..... and the famous phrase "why you think i came all this way." WTF!!!! DANY WAS NOT MAD!!! IN MY DREAMS KINVARA RESSURECTS HER!!!

[@lucas5665]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I wish Daenerys had pushed Tyrion down the steps in the final episode. I was so sick of his shit by that point, and the patronizing speech he gives Jon/audience just made it all the more worse. In order to ruin Daenerys they had to ruin Tyrion as well, and it's sickening

[@houselorebridge]

I think the only way that the city of King's Landing will get destroyed is if the burning of the Red Keep ignites the wildfire hidden under the city. Then, some people and her enemies might claim that she is "mad" but it will all be a huge misunderstanding.

[@kevinlaw826]

The last season totally ruined the entire series for me, i don't think I'll ever go back and watch

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Same.

[@moritz3168]

i hope the book comes out before George RR martin dies xD. then im gonna re-read all the other books and then read book 6, its gonna be awesome to get a real ending!

[@aryasuperstark9599]

It's unwatchable

[@phpxs]

Double standards... How is Danny mad when she only commits to violence. As if the Starks didnt kill anyone and didn't commit any attrocities.

[@wisdommanari6701]

That's what we call a double standard some people really just hate Danny and fail to see what Jon and the others do as bad.

[@yulisagarcia2475]

Exactly Dany get dragons and uses them to win and kill traitors and win a war. And oh it’s so bad blah blah. But aria gets the ability to change faces and uses it to kill a whole house (all male) for killing 2 of her family members oh but that’s good the best. How!?!?

[@SoulPatroller]

Gurrrl, I am with Daenerys AND you! Still salty at how they ruined 7 and 1/2 seasons of character development - and the legacy of the entire series - in order to subvert expectations. The apologists who say the signs of madness were there all along? They can kiss my grits because: Arya committed mass murder and wasn't considered mad; Tyrion committed mass murder (via wildfyre) and wasn't considered mad; Ned beheaded a young man (who he admittedly thought was mentally ill) and wasn't considered mad; Jaime pushed a child out of a window and wasn't considered mad; Tywin orchestrated the Red Wedding and the murders of Elia Martell and the Targaryen children and he wasn't considered mad; Robert ordered the assassination of Dany (as a child) and he wasn't considered mad; and Bronn admitted (to Tyrion) that he would slaughter a babe in its mother's arms for a fee and he wasn't considered mad. #IStandbyDaenerys

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Right? How the hell are you supposed to "see the signs" that Daenerys was destined to go insane and go straight into Mega Hitler mode in the fact that she dealt ruthlessly, and even cruelly, with people who betrayed her or oppressed, enslaved and slaughtered innocents? Almost every person in this show deals with betrayal in horrible ways, what exactly is the tip-off that Dany was crazy but nobody else in the show was when they're doing shit more horrible than she ever did (up until season 8 of course)? People say "Well he/she was getting revenge because someone did them wrong somehow so that's fine". Well ok, I totally agree with that but I still don't understand why it's just desserts for the nobility of Westeros to rape and murder and torture their enemies AND their own families (for instance remember how Tywin Lannister had Tyrion's first wife gang-raped by his soldiers while Tyrion was forced to watch, and he did this to his OWN CHILD just for the crime of loving someone he didn't approve of), but it's inherently evil when Dany does the same. Why is it wrong only for her to also avenge herself and her loved ones? It's so weird and it's total nonsense, the hate-on a lot of people have for her. Why is she held to blame for the actions of the Dothraki (often used to basically claim she was a terrible person for being married to Drogo, as if she had any choice in the matter. Even though she definitely was having a positive influence on him like when he called her to explain taking the slave women into her protection instead of letting them continually be raped and abused). She stood up to Drogo and spoke out about the treatment of these women and claimed her authority over the Dothraki as co-equal to the Khal. And what do you know, he gently asked her to explain the situation and he LISTENED to her and admired and respected her reasoning and took her side in the matter, putting an end to the raping. Of course that pissed a bunch of them off but the fact is Dany was having a positive influence on the "savages" she was sold to. She would probably have made a lot more progress on that front but she and Drogo were only married for a year before he died and she had to start her mission to take the throne without his help. Sorry for the novel length rant here but it still annoys the shit out of me even after all this time.

[@Rosie-yt8nd]

tbh when i was watching episode 5 and she had the look, i thought "oh she's going to burn the red keep" which would have made sense. going after cercei directly. and it would have been a morally grey decision because of the civilians cercei had surrounded herself with, but it would have been understandable. now some of my theory on how the rest of the city burns: while doing going at the red keep 1) daeny accidentally ignites a stash of wild fire under the keep, and in a chain reaction it ignites all the stashes in the city one after the other like a green exploding domino. or 2) spiteful cercei commands someone to ignite them because she knows she lost and she wants to leave dany nothing but ashes to rule. maybe the people, who dont know the situation, blame the fire on the foreigner with the dragon, who knows. but dany would never intentionally hurt innocents when it's not necessary. even in her anger, the vengeance would be directed at cercei and the ones surrounding her. this would also fit the speech emilia gave in a behind the scenes footage (that hbo unlisted cuz it contradicts those two fucks) i think dumb and dumber purposefully kept the skipt and stuff vague and did not reveal the full extend to which the town would be burning. some streets? yes. oh dany is getting ready to burn something? probably the red keep and some surrounding area she needs for access. nope, just anything in her way, even doing a few extra leaps. just see the difference in emilia's behind the scenes interviews after filming (when post production hasnt happened yet) and her at the premiere after actually seeing the season. they did both dany and her so dirty. she did the best to work with the shitty outline dumb and dumber gave her.

[@squeakyratgaming]

I fully expected Cersei to blow up KL. But no, they had to humanize "poor" Cersei and make Daenerys mad to subvert expectations.

[@lyannatargaryen3223]

I think if Daenerys burns King’s Landing it will be because they accidentally hit an known cache of wildfire, or to eliminate Grey Scale. There’s definitely a sexist double standard, if she was a man, would her actions be more justified. Tywin Lannister was a monster! No one ever called him mad, he was considered strong, and clever.

[@Mitsu2040]

Aegon the Conqueror roasted the people of Harrenhal alive and didn't have to apologize for it.

[@j.e.9737]

I really did wanna see Daenerys on the Throne. 🥺 I wanted her to at least put her butt on it, dammit! I do blame writing overall, because I think her burning King’s Landing was so....unnecessary. I also don’t think that automatically means she suffered from the Targaryen madness, like her psychotic father did. I had so much hope...but this is Game of Thrones. Happy endings don’t exist here 😩 Plus, I understand the Northerners are hella suspicious of outsiders (and they have their reasons), but I really cringed whenever Sansa interacted with Daenerys. 😬 They didn’t have to be friends, but there should have been more understanding. They both have their own experiences, but damn. Sansa could have been a bit more kind. Js 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@brownrecluse9261]

Sansa was so ridiculously hateful to Dany, I just couldn't buy it. You don't treat guests in your home like that no matter how much you don't trust them. They never wrote any of the men this way. It was always the women getting in their feelings. It's disgusting and lazy tbh.

[@bigivel]

The "Targaryen madness" that his talked she has, but is something that she has since the first season. That what is funny. The Targaryen madness had most to do with them having "dragon dreams" and believing that with fire somehow being able to "turn" into dragons. She had those dreams and that was what took her to go into the fire and hatch the dragons. And supposedly she still has those dreams, the ones with Quaithe. And that is why she knows things from the "future". Note that her father madness, that people talk about(nobody other than Jaime, Brienne and the alchemists know about his plain to engulf Kings Landing in fire) is something totally different from the "Targaryen" madness, although they in someway correlate them(Like when Barristan said that there was always a line between madness and genius in the Targaryens and that Danys father was a brilliant men that started to go more the other way).

[@j.e.9737]

bigivel Yes, Dany’s dragon dreams are definitely something to take note of, but ehhhhhh, I guess my comment is referring more to the show. As far as the line between madness and genius, I guess I could see Rhaegar fitting that description. However, I don’t think Aerys II fits that’s description at all. I don’t remember reading anything about Aerys II being rather intelligent. Just average intellect and handsome in his youth. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@bigivel]

@@j.e.9737 Barrison Selmy talking with Dany about her father and his madness. Where he said geniality and madness merge an aren't very well distinguished(or something like that), but Aerys still had some instances of "madness", but they were soon forgiven because they were rare and he was charming, but with time it started getting worse, and the geniality and charm disappeared all and the rare instances of madness became the norm. Note that Rhaegor never was said to be a genius. Mainly because he never had any leading roles. His father was the king for many years and had many decisions to rule(Though some said that it was Tywin that was behind all of that, :P). Rhaegor when talking is about Knightlyhood, being a upstanding guy and delicate.

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

i want see dany far away from westeros. she lives in a house with a red door. in the garden growing lemon trees and other fruit trees and summerflowers filling the air with sweetness. and soft gras for a bed. and she is under her true kin. willem darry keeps the peasants in order, rhaella is watching her babes in game. rhaegar plucks some lemons and elia(accompanied by ashara) teaches the children. aerys and viserys are locked up in the cellars. they are inprisioned for good reason. and jorah is a houseguard along with barry s., oswell wh., jonothor d., gerold h., prince lewyn m. and the arthur dayne.

[@sance777]

Thank you for saying this is exactly what I thought as I was watching that disaster a year ago. This the reason I cannot rewatch any Game of Thrones anymore because of this last season . Not only did they spit in the face of fans but they wanted us to believe something that didn't make sense. Something that any logical and intelligent person could not believe could happen as a result without any significant amount of time to properly show the development of how Danaerys descended, if she would even descend into madness. I think your analysis is thorough and logical and it does show the errors that the writers did and wanted for us to swallow like a bunch of imbiciles that can't tell the difference between a good and a bad story.

[@alexandrat9174]

“They’re slavers, no one cares!” Lol exactly!! 🙌🏼👑. Also I never once saw or thought of the parallel of the tarlys and the Starks...but I agree that’s what they tried to convey but very unsuccessfully. I’m so disappointed and ready for the next books. But you are definitely getting me through the true long night! 🙏🏼🙌🏼 I stand by Daenerys 👑

[@jonathanl9229]

If Daenerys had been a man, they would have called her strong and a hero. I think the show runners let Dany fall into the stereotype of an emotional woman who just flys off the handle for no reason.

[@jonathanl9229]

Mimosa - who hurt you? You wanna talk about it?

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Yet at the same time she's also characterized as cold, calculated and unfeeling. She could never win with some people.

[@bwoop4388]

I doubt this was planned out for years; this was the only episode where we didn’t get any after-episode insight. Most likely because there was nothing logical to say about what had just taken place lol. Another reason for my disbelief in this “foreshadowing” is that ultimately the show was cut SHORT, VERY much so. There was enough book content and material for several more seasons. No, this final episode was not carefully Planned and foreshadowed. It was a grossly rushed short coming.

[@constantinetranos2225]

Gray Area do you think that it is possible for Daenerys to be mad in the eyes of other POV characters in the books but in reality she would act more like a Targaryen and nothing extreme? I think this is a possibility...

[@GrayArea]

Yep agree with this

[@SkaterBlades]

The show artificially decides when killing is good and bad. Normally it's when dany kills her enemies it's bad. D&d justified it with examples like dany letting her brother die, who'd been abusing her for her entire life and threatened to kill her and her baby. For every act of cruelty there's another benevolent action she's taken like locking up her dragons after one child died. Danaerys fits nicely into the morality of the show but apparently she's all "no TV no beer make dany go crazy" at the end. Arya killed two people, baked them in a pie, served it to their father, then slit his throat and watched him choke on his blood, then carved his face off, then put it on and used it to poison the rest of the family and many soldiers and other people and calmly walked through the bodies. Where's the mad assassin Arya? That's way more chilling than ANYTHING Dany did in the entire show

[@dajointcf4803]

the thing because shes a stark people will just ignore every bad thing she does and immediately say that whatever she does is justified.. i honastly cant understand whats so great about the starks... i just dont find them interesting as characters

[@SkaterBlades]

@@dajointcf4803 It's because Ned, who was a good guy, was the head of the family which automatically absolves them of any immoral thing they do.

[@dajointcf4803]

@@SkaterBlades still think its stupid i mean of all the people that ended up on the throne it had to be a stark? i mean brann really? and then there is the matter of grey worm not executing john for killing dany.. remember she was the one that gave him his freedom you think he and the rest of the unsullied would not have killed him

[@SkaterBlades]

@@dajointcf4803 Yeah but plot armour means more than actual armour in season 7 and 8. I've seen people that said we didn't like the ending because it was too sad but i don't like it because it was too happy. What could be described as the main protagonists, the starks, haven't had a death since season 3 (i don't count rickon since he did nothing in the entire show and the starks barely acknowledge him), the starks end up in charge of all 7 kingdoms, the north gained the independence they wanted, Jon became the king beyond the wall and Arya went off on her adventures. The rules that applied to Ned, Rob and Catelyn were thrown out the window. Jon, Arya and Bran would've been killed loads of times each if it wasn't for plot armour

[@ShadeoftheEvening]

The scene in Astapor is one of my most absolutely favorite scene. She was a little bad ass 💚I think her having Mossador beheaded was a little much, but that was a show thing, so it really doesn't matter.

[@laurafreedlund2899]

Mossador was definitely a mistake but she realized that pretty much immediately after.

[@ShadeoftheEvening]

@@laurafreedlund2899 yep. Little too late. Jk

[@princessbuttercup8954]

You hit every nail on the head with this video!! House Targaryen forever!👸🏼🐲🔥

[@ruidusmoon]

Preach, gurl, PREACH! They did NOT foreshadow anything. Not to mention, fOreShaDowINg is not character development! It was lazy, rushed and horribly written. I will stand by Daenerys FOR NOW AND ALWAYS. MY QUEEN FOREVER! Thank you for doing this, I loved it and you took every single word I've said about all of this and put it into one video! Love to see other Targaryen Loyalists out there!

[@dishonorthemartyr]

She literally did what anyone else would have done. She literally could have been the next Aegon. But they killed her. Nobody called Aegon mad for burning Harrenhal. Or killing anyone who stood against him. Why is Daenerys different? Oh wait..... because shes a woman. The people who hate her are actual sheep who believe the media.

[@bigivel]

Are you talking of the TV show Kings Landing event? Because Aegon didn't attack civilions that weren't directly between Harren and him. Dany attacked smallfolk on pourpose and even Zig Zag her way to make more damage to them. And yes I know it was the fault of D&D and totally out of character and badly done. But relating both things and saying that people don't like Dany because she's a woman and use that example as a reason is wrong. In fact most people that hate Dany are book readers, and has mostly do with Meeren and how she dealt with that situation. Also to do with her path until now. For example the fact that she got everything she got from Illyrio, and then gets more by "stealing" from him. And for asking other for more, just because of her Claim(In Quarth she asking for things when she had nothing in return to offer)

[@nexis1293]

@@bigivel That's complete BS, most of the books fans I know love Daenery, I've been to dragon con and thrones con and she's easily the most popular character in the book community. You can see it in the amount of Daenerys cosplay and the amount of people that attend Daenery panels compared to the other characters. The Daenery panels are so full you can't even get in the room, compare that to characters like stannis Sansa and so on and those rooms are empty, ever the Jon and Tyrion panel talk ain't as greatly received as the Daenerys talks. So for you to say Daenery is hated within the book community is complete BS of the highest order.

[@nexis1293]

@@bigivel For example the fact that she got everything from illyro??. You misogynistic piece of shit, go fuck off and talk your Bs somewhere else scumbag

[@bigivel]

@@nexis1293 So are you saying she didn't got it from Illyrio? Even Viserys also received everything from Illyrio. So it has nothing to do with sex. Even she knows that and Vyseris knows that, they explicitly talk about that. Even in the TV show, go watch the first episode and see what she talks with Vyseris about the problem of everything they have being Illyrio. They were in the end of their ropes, basically a little more and Dany would end as a prostitute, and probably Vyseris as well. Vyseris was even called the beggar King, because he had to become a literal beggar to put food in their mouths, that is one thing that the TV show could have shown, and would explain more why Vyseris was like how he was, and why Dany understood him, even though he discharged his frustration on her. Basically they were at the end of the line and that Illyrio gave them everything. He even arranged Dany marriage, Put Jorah in her care, gave her the Dragon Eggs, Sent Barriston Selmy to her, and sent Ships with a crew and valuable merchandize to pick her up from Quarth. In the books he even send the Golden Company, Griffin and Young Griffin to her, and is even him that sends Tyrion to her. She even says that he is her biggest benefector. And one of the mercenaries companies that she wants to ally with her, the windblow, asks for Pentos, the Kingdom Illyrio is, and just because of that fact, she refuses to bring problems to Pentos, rejecting their alliance.

[@bigivel]

@@nexis1293 Do you know how to read? I talked about inside the group that hate her, that most of them ... Not that from people that read the books, most hate her. Learn to read first please. Also you're using a wrong equivalent. The group that Loves a character is independent of the group that hate the character. Have you ver thougth that a character can have the biggest group of lovers and also the biggest group of haters? Also talking of conference participation and fanclubs isn't talking of majority of fans of the book. Either way, I said nothing about if she is highly hated or highly loved. I said that majority of the reason people hate her wasn't the one given, because she is a woman.

[@lillyj.2227]

PREACH! The arguments people use to justify this mad queen "twist" is bullshit. It hurts even more when book readers try to justify this theory and say that she'll do the same in the books. It baffles me how someone can read her chapters and STILL believe she's anything like her father. I mean, Cersei is right there! *She* is our mad queen. How dare they overlook her like that smh.

[@tonyaniehaus3296]

I love this video!!! I 100% agree!

[@krose6451]

Do people not remember Rob standing there blankfaced as his wolf slaughtered some Lanister men. They arent really at fault for anything. Just on the wrong side. They die screaming and he doesnt react BECAUSE ITS WAR. He wasnt called mad over that or anything else he did that was similar to Dany's supposed foreshadowing. Grrr Thank you for the great video.

[@jaclynfairhead5848]

I stand my Danaerys. It was an honour to be part of her fundraiser last year.

[@ksj3863]

You addressed everything that I agreed with. I had to explain why Daenerys would not be upset about her abuser dying on so many videos, I gave up. Thank you for this!!!

[@laurafreedlund2899]

You can see in the scene with Viserys that it isn't that she's cold or heartless that she didn't cry. Not a couple of minutes before his death , she was obviously emotional, afraid for him and trying to calm him and save his drunk stupid ass. And what does she get for it? He holds a fucking sword to her stomach and threatens to murder her. After he threatens the baby you can see her disbelief that he went there and she realizes as long as Viserys lived, she and her child were in danger. So you very clearly can see her shutting down emotionally so she won't feel tempted to give in to him playing on her sympathy and forgive him this time, like she'd done a hundred times before. Threatening to cut her open, kill her baby and take her away from her husband who was madly in love with her and her protector and defender - was the last straw. He was warned not to fuck with her again (In a previous scene where he beat her and berated her for having the fucking audacity to invite him to a feast and give him a gift), or he'd be done for, and then he chooses to do THIS. And people think Dany is the bad guy here? All she wanted was to have a good relationship with her only relative (she thought at the time they were the last of the line) and she constantly tried to appease him and obey him and she just couldn't understand why he hated her so much. That was over when he pulled his dumbass stunt. He committed suicide with his insane rage and gigantic ego, this was not even a murder in my eyes.

[@edpistemic]

Agreed! Agreed!! AGREED!! You put all these points across SO WELL!! I'm still mad at what they did to this character too!! (God has it been a year?)

[@diegoolivaresgonzalez42]

In fact, I blame Daenerys for NOT KILLING the Wise Masters of Yunkai

[@anne-kathrinhohlig1466]

and trusting the green grace galazza galare. she is the the harpy and hizdar zo lorak her dagger for dany.

[@haydentargaryen7749]

Fucking finally someone said it. Speak that power to truth, cause that finale was some fuckery, to say the least.

[@xeronix9774]

honestly

[@pastlesandfish]

People pointing to her not feeling anything when Viserys died doesn't work as Mad Queen foreshadowing. At the time, the audience cheered her on because they sympathised with her finally getting her own back against her abuser. But then later on people tried to retcon this as an early sign of future madness. Bullshit. Are these people saying they wouldn't react the same way if in Dany's situation? Moreover, Dany's reaction in the book is more nuanced. Despite everything her brother did to her, she feels mixed emotions about his death because she remembers good moments with him and she recognised that he still raised her (poorly but he was all she had.) Her reaction in the book to Viserys's death shows that Dany, even at that young age and despite the abuse she suffered, had an emotional intelligence that even some adults lack. Our Queen was done dirty, folks.

[@moniquecarrillo540]

I absolutely love your Channel. And this is probably one of my favorite videos you've made. I also loved all the smack you talked on your covid-19 video. Keep up the good work. YOU ROCK

[@RobertVlcek]

In the end the decisions made by writers and showrunners in Sesaon 8 feel ...misogynistic. It feels like "women are emotionally to unstable to reign", despite of giving Sansa the North, by having mad queens who "are only power-hungry psychos" in the end or emotional wrecks - put aside having other mad characters like Joffrey. The "twist" of turning Daenerys mad is just bad writing and additionally leaves a sour taste on the tongue, especially because it does not make sense. Her "mad deeds" like executing Sam's father and brother for example is seen as mad, however other characters do this all the time. For example and most importantly: Jon does it. He executes those who killed him, including a kid out of vengeance, not because it's about order within the Nights Watch, that these people threaten Jon's position and the discipline within this brotherhood but out of rage because after he kills them he quits his job... And that's fine? Understandable but he is not been called out to be crazy. It could be seen as madness as well, I guess... But hey. They killed him. It's okay. And Daenerys executes the Tarly's for political reasons not because she wants it. But that's a sign of madness for the showrunners? The same guys who said "She (Daenerys) isn't mad. She is not her father"? Okay.

[@PapaEmeritus_4evr]

They didn't plan shit for Dany to go mad. Just like they said "we always knew Arya would kill the Night King." Until Maise Williams came out and said, it was supposed to be Jon. They can't hide their stupidity.

[@Nihilanth]

@El-ahrairah no? in the books is pretty predictable she won't go mad. it's just a crazy sexist theory

[@Nihilanth]

@El-ahrairah there are thousands of theories that doesn't make sense dude. hodor being a horse ned warging into a bird N+A=J (f)dany and this was also before the show became a thing. there's no possible scenario for dany going mad in the books. cersei is already the mad queen and faegon is possible going mad too

[@Nihilanth]

@El-ahrairah did you read the books? if so, for what possible reason do you think book!dany will go mad? what are the "hints"?

[@Nihilanth]

@El-ahrairah show dany had more signs of "madness" than the books and it was pure garbage 💀

[@Nihilanth]

@El-ahrairah reality: there's none ❤

[@Llightmare]

LOOT TRAIN ATTACK: Dany attacked Soldiers with Drogon to create space for the Dothraki to break through their defense. After that she burned SUPPLIES. She could've just burn down the whole army but she chose not to. The men who died by Drogon's fire were in fact casualties that stood too close to the supplies. Sure she burned soldiers but it was war and she was losing allies one over another. That's no indication for being mad/evil whatsoever! Whole "foreshadowing" in the show was lacking, okay let's be honest, there was no foreshadowing that could be leading to what D&D did to her. Poor show, poor Daenerys, poor Emilia, poor George RR Martin, her character was butchered to an extent which is insane. #StandForDaenerys

[@donovan9456]

Dum-dum: "Dany was the bad guy all along! She killed people!" Me: "She was 100% justified every time. Either it be for their crimes, or because she was at war, Dany had valid reason." Dum-Dum: "She went over the top! She is not a good guy! Good guys don't do this!" Me: "Okay, so we just gonna ignore Arya then?" Dum-Dum: "What?" Me: "Well, Arya decided to murder an entire HOUSE. A whole noble family. She killed them all and she enjoyed it." Dum-Dum: "That was to avenge her family!" Me: "Oh, so Dany ain't justified to kill men who enslaved thousands of people yearly and kill BABIES. But we're cool with Arya killing people and carving them up to bake into a pie to feed to their father, whilst poisoning everyone else, and then slitting said father's throat and enjoying herself whilst his blood sprays up her face? Good to know."

[@pplr1]

Good way to go through the one of the double standards. Technically the poisoning came after the throat slitting but still a good way to put things.

[@malirabbit6228]

Thank you ever so much, Greyarea, for such a complete , well read and heartfelt analysis of Dany T! I have always said that Dany had every right to be ANGRY over her mistreatments but she was never MAD! There’s a huge ass difference! Thank you for setting the record straight concerning our beloved sister Dany! We love you for that! Please stay strong and safe!

[@henninggirl261]

I think losing Young Griff from the books derailed a lot of story arcs, especially for Dany and Varys.

[@sugasweet1239]

This was a hilarious yet informative commentary, especially for someone who’s just discovered the series this year (purposefully).Just finishes the series and now ready to buy the books. Everyone says the show went left from the books.

[@yulisagarcia2475]

Dany burns slavers who abuse people. But bed beheads a deserter who fears walkers like any normal person would, but that good. Robert Baratheon killed a man cuz he took the woman he loved even though she never loved him, but that good. Like I how do you justify this. HOW!!???

[@blackwidow4564]

A lot of this nonsense about Daenerys comes from the fact that she is a woman. If she was a man, she would have been called ruthless and heroic.

[@oldenvye6432]

I can't remember who said it first but I'm also of the view that if King's Landing burns down it would be a mistake that happens in the chaos of an attack on the city guard - Dragons and hidden caches of wildfire are a dangerous mix, all it takes is a single spark...

[@omegacadenza10]

Gray serving the sweet summer children what they need to hear!

[@TornadoChickWeatherNetwork]

I couldn't agree more! #IStandByDaenerys forever and always. I was soooo let down by how D&D wrote the whole last season, but especially how they handled Dany. It was disgraceful! Don't even get me started about Bran the Broken....PFFFFT.

[@edgardominguez391]

I agree, for some seasons people had been saying that she would go mad. They never showed it though, maybe the Tarlys, but you say even that is justified. When that happened people were saying she's going mad. This has been said already even in these comments, people like Tywin, who committed genocide or even Aegon, they committed terrible things, but yet they are never called mad. Why is that? Because she's a woman?

[@mishjone]

I stand with her too. Dan and dave must go

[@ocaaaa]

dany is probably alive now after getting resurrected by the red priestess kinvara as drogon was last seen flying towards volantis, i mean i wish

[@Henbot]

Well, Dragon Demands showed that the original plan was wild fire going off in the city destroying it not her and it also has it clear that the idea originally was only her attacking Red Keep which Cersei was in with hostages. It clear D and D wanted to make a point about ‘liberation theology’ as being bad because D and D are elite brats , certainly Benioff.

[@ACinemafanatic]

I mean they’re conservatives as well as wanting to make a show about the confederates winning

[@hollyking8626]

Couldn't agree more with you. Great video. The last episodes I couldn't watch. It wasn't the same woman I had spent all that time watching and making a connection to and loving.

[@TITARNYA]

Great video Gray. This has me searching for more I stand with Daenerys video posts. I actually really feel for pretty much all the actors - season 8 was a disservice to pretty much every character. Please do a Justice for Missandei video. Her death was a nail in the coffin of the show for me

[@bridgetengstrom8414]

I thought that astapor scene was really badass and it defined how incredibly powerful and cool she was its one of my favorite scenes

[@xeroofnine6234]

i stood by Daenerys since the very beginning, and i still do. i knew she would either win in the end or at least be one of the two finalists.and she turned out to be great character, and my favorite right next to Aria Stark.

[@SamAth21]

The series started with the guy who is most widely considered noble and "good" exec uting a young boy because he ran away from horrific undead creatures and thus left his post, and yet the queen who executed her trusted adviser after finding out he was plotting against her and even tried to poison her is the evil mad queen.

[@MoneeQ222]

agree! agree! agree! with every opinion and word you've said. well done too for compiling the reasons why the show ending was so fucked up and underwhelming to the extreme. (I can't even rewatch any of season 8 episodes - season 1 through 7 I've seen at least 10 times each and still see new things in the episode and Never get sick of watching them) of course we all spoke and argued about it at length with our Got community after it ended so abysmally. you have encapsulated everything that I feel and have wanted to say to those that didnt get it just beautifully (as you do 😘) love your work Gray

[@josephinewinter]

the most unbelievable thing was that she didn't sack Tyrion

[@RhaegarTargaryen1st]

@19:23 That part, Gray! I hate the Northerners and the way they treated The Dothraki and Grey Worm & Missandei!

[@kjs0391]

Aces on my sister! The blame can be spread among them all - You can see in the early seasons where they did hang close to the books and gave the detail to suck people into the characters, but then it were as if they just threw their hands/scripts/and care to the wind and wrapped it up poorly in crazy leaps and bounds. And THANK YOU for telling people how it didn't happen. GO READ THE MARVELOUS BOOKS

[@sukanyaparashar9474]

I like Dany and Sansa both,and because I love them j believe season 8 sucked. Starks wanted to be together again, they wanted to be happy, the show didn't give them that. Dany wanted her House to rise to glory, they didn't give her that. Moral of the story: season 8 sucks

[@peachyky8279]

i just know that they reached her patience when cersei beheaded missandei, and thats when she let herself fall apart and let the madness take over. she wouldnt risk tyrion, (her hand)s life just to convince cersei, but when missandei died she didnt care if she steps on anyones ashes, she didnt care abt varys, sansa, john, tyrion, arya and she knows that at that time all she can trust is grey worm, who is the only person still alive (thats with her) that she can fully trust her life with.

[@Jewls371]

Literally. She was never mad, all her actions made complete sense, there was never any foreshadowing for her being oh so mad. The way they assassinated Daenerys' character still pisses me off to this day!