Every Trench Crusade Faction Explained - Part 2: Heretic Legions

[@giacomoromano8842]

The thing that really sets the Grim Dark of the universe in place for me is how the faithful have dozens of methods to outright condemn someone to hell and they use all of them, despite the fact that everyone sent to hell is a potential new enemy, so the smart thing would be to redeem and assure the ascension of as many people as possible, they instead go the opposite direction and sent numerous people to hell that could have most likely just be redeemed instead. It's the sort of counter intuitive stuff that really hammers down how, in this universe, everyone is screwed and crazy.

[@pedroaugusto-fw2yt]

In this setting hell is very picky about who they let join their side, part of the process of joining require you to cross the hell gate and survive, the ones that fail or get condemn just get tortured serving no real function other than entreteriment

[@scannerbarkly]

Well, no, the suffering of the lesser sinners powers very useful goethic magic.

[@giacomoromano8842]

​@@pedroaugusto-fw2yt beside what Scannerbarkly just said, sometimes very powerful or useful people are sent to hell and that's a huge "shooting yourself in the foot" moment. Thinks of all the templars that didn't die in battle and are sent there, all the politicians that made a poor gamble in power and are now in the Hell Sauna, or all the Iron Sultanate fellows that just happen to be at the wrong end of the Witchburner rod during a minor squabble, a powerful alchemist straight to the fifth ring just for that. If any of those start to fight for Hell, that's quite the blow. The faithful should not allow such things to pass in the first place, and them encouraging it really set the irrational nature of the setting as a whole.

[@pessien8474]

​@@giacomoromano8842to add to this, though, is that in spite of all these losses, I would assume that the sinners themselves would hate these very same people. If the faithful are irrationally condemning, then what about the sinners? Which are more prone to emotions and have less control over themselves. If a sinner sees a once faithful in hell, I'd assume that said faithful would be fucking torn to shreds MOMENTS after they manifest lmao.

[@anthonyfreeman3165]

Excellent explanation!😊👍

[@THExRISER]

Damn those heretics and their immaculate drip.

[@Random-gn6ew]

Drip or drown, these fellows are staying dryer than the gates of hell

[@shadowhound-bm4mq]

I think the damning part's already done, chief.

[@DNGNDriver]

"The moral compass leaving my body when the bad guys have cool armor"

[@Aberinkula9]

Hey man! You OP, I have seen that you are a Muslim right? If so, may Allah The Merciful guide and protect your ways always! ❤ From a Catholic in Brazil that will play as these smug heretics. We meet in the trenches. 😊

[@Sara3346]

I'd actually go so far as to say the War Wolf Assault Beast, basically defines the setting for me. I took a look at one of those asking what could possibly lead to a being like that and then fell into the rabbit hole.

[@Sara3346]

Mind you the Artillery Witch comes close to that slot for me also being even more mysterious and striking.

[@wizardswine]

So far everyone who's gotten into it, especialy on tabletop has said "This unit sells this setting to me." and I hear a different answer every time. For me it was probably the desecrated saint.

[@MayorMercury]

Same. Its just so damn cool. I wish the naval party could take one.

[@tar-yy3ub]

I totally agree with your comment except one thing: replace war wolf with chorister And your logic is sound. Don't get me wrong the Walworth is a stunning piece of art, but who could not get sucked into this law after seeing the chorister with satanic runes coming out of his own neck ?! And the lore man....

[@alexernst9448]

I keep imagining the two witches giving Clive a post-game rub down like, "Who's a bad boy? You are! Yes, you are!"

[@Matt-md5yt]

Heretics are always fun to have in any franchise to me.

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

Me when I bring two Artillery Witches and a War Wolf because I'm just so good at this game

[@MisterHavoc]

"I summon... Big fucking kaboom!" The Artillery Witch was the first TC model I saw, and I love the way she's just casually holding the gigantic piece of ordnance in her hand like it's a toy lol

[@justinmeyer262]

Would I play them? Nope. Collect everyone of those sweet models? Absolutely

[@armin8306]

Mood lol

[@Aberinkula9]

Mind if I ask you why would you not play them?

[@justinmeyer262]

As much as I love the look of an evil miniature, and these ones are especially fantastic, it's still a form of role-playing. At the end of the day I feel bad doing bad things, even pretend bad things, lol. Plus New Antioch was love at first sight for me.

[@theshamurai32]

They seem right up my alley, honestly, partially because I have a whole 40k army of Nurglite Traitor Guardsman that seems like they'd slot in here really easily.

[@Aberinkula9]

@@justinmeyer262 You know that, in this setting, the "forces of Light" also do A LOT of bad things - and not everything for pure "necessity", right? But fret not! You, obviously, are not obliged as player to do bad things in-game and OUTSIDE the game (No, really: PLEASE DON'T). So it's all good. 😎👍

[@tomaswalker1903]

27:13 Same in my second practice game vs IS had a my witch called Prime (She does same day shipping) dash round a ruined building to line up an Assassin and two Dervishes, OOAed the Assassin with a direct hit and put blood markers on the Dervishes from over half way across the board. The reasons why I like HL is; a unrepentantly irredeemably evil, their drip especially in the unit art and as a Navy Man the idea of Heretics in a submarine based out of Gibraltar or Tunis raiding across the Med sounded cool af.

[@armin8306]

I think I'd collect a warband of these after I do an Iron Sultanate one. I latched on to them because it's cool to have a badass middle eastern themed army

[@willpenn966]

I'm just glad you acknowledged the Battle for Crete campaign, and that we may get more battle reports eventually.

[@matthewbennett1972]

“If you’re 555 I’m 666. What’s it like to be a Heritic!”

[@davidwasilewski]

If man is 5, and the devil is 6, then god is 7, then god is 7 - the Pixies

[@phantimon6175]

So far I’ve only played 2 games against the heretic legions and lost both because I had to devote everything to taking down that war wolf

[@anon9579]

I’m guessing a punt gun might be effective against a war wolf

[@gladiatordude3723]

How are you playing with no models?

[@Weariedsteam85]

​@@gladiatordude3723Proxies would be my guess.

[@Mob_wizzardry]

​@@gladiatordude3723a virtual tabletop Will do, like roll 20 or owlbear

[@cyruslupercal9493]

I can see my self making a trench ghost army of just a heretic priest and heretic riflemen (bolt action rifle, combat helmet, shovel).

[@FatherGoz]

perfect timing. I'm eating lunch.

[@scannerbarkly]

What you having?

[@ultra2424]

@@scannerbarklyi’m not the same guy but i’m eating a sandwich

[@repentia1]

once again, appreciate the video, funnily enough u covered the two factions im trying to pick between first xD trench pilgrims and heretic legions. deffo think im leaning towards the heretic legions though the renders we have seen are fantastic.

[@Rap7ur3]

I'm not usually drawn to Chaos in wargames, but the Heretics are really grabbing me.

[@BeeptheLesser]

I love the format of your video! It’s a very Kingsway video game vibe! When I saw the model for the Artillery witch, I saw sold!

[@tundrawolf5127]

Had to go back to part 1 to make sure you got a like !

[@kiva_kaze]

Listening to this at work, awesome video and clear explanations 👍💫

[@macguffinmuffin1156]

4:27 I understood "my mum" instead of Mammon.

[@fslayer1290]

Trench Ghosts are Tonberrys. Got it. 👍🏾

[@orcsareevil]

As a man with a Slavic name; I can say that the wars of the 90's were "cartoonishly evil" they were. But horrible beyond reproach.

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

Note: you need at least one unupgraded Heretic Trooper for every Legionaire you have

[@andycoutts517]

We love the Artillery Witches

[@johndavies4801]

Considering a naval party for my first warband. Priest, chorister. 2 legionaries. + dice ranged, submachine guns, sheilds. 2 troopers. Shotguns. 1 trooper. Pistol and sword. Torn between a death commando with claws, anointed with grenade launcher or a artillery witch as a big hitter. Commando or anointed i can make 1 legionare and the sword trooper have infiltrate. Witch I can add another legionare with a bolt action for exactly 700 Ducats.. Plans to play fingers crossed and add the other powerful units when reinforcing later in the campaign.

[@Magicwillnz]

The thing about cartoonish evil is that it isn't confined to cartoons.

[@joaovictorburgosfernandes6274]

Another good video!

[@deryckeisner2889]

How many points is the artillery witch?

[@8bitkefka]

Thank you so much!

[@Aberinkula9]

It will be these guys or the fine gentlemen of the Seven-Headed Serpent my main army. Suggestions?

[@ImperatorZor]

The problem with legions of evil is that humans (and also by extension creatures largely modelled on us) are Social Animals. We have an inclination towards cooperation hardwired in. A tribe of early humans would pool it's food and help it's members if they fell short one day. Not every hunt or day gathering would be successful and hunger can lead to a negative feedback cycle where you're less effective at getting food from not getting enough to eat. These interactions are beneficial from a survival position, but they don't work if individuals are prone to casually killing their fellows for short term game. Said behaviour got selected against. These primate tendencies were latter elaborated on into moral frameworks once we had language and introspective minds. An agricultural society has a greater number of cooperative relationships (farmers work the land and produce crops, that grain feeds blacksmiths, carpenters, weavers and masons who make iron tools, strong houses, granaries and clothes many of which are used by the farmers to make them more productive), an industrial one even more so. A society composed of antisocial sociopathic individuals prone to violence would not be able to function. It would self destruct as it's members would inevitably tun on each other.

[@scannerbarkly]

I mean, that is not a problem, it is literally one of the main lore mechanics in the game that holds the forces of hell back from being able to push to a victory. They repeatedly attack each other, undermine each others plans, and largely refused to cooperate on a grand scale outside of very rare occasion.

[@hernanreipp3321]

The design of heretic priest appears in Toru Kuromori's manga Centuria.

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

I hope we're gonna get some plastic models for Trench Crusade sooner or later

[@scannerbarkly]

Kickstarter goes live on October 29, so they'll be a part of that.

[@RyantheGumby]

Keeeeeen - Winter is coming, and the boys are gathering for tabletop gaming ​@@scannerbarkly

[@BarbarisII]

​@@scannerbarkly🤑

[@K_E_Robin]

I would love for a Gnostic Faction.

[@Salvationtower]

How about doing a video where you feature the viewers warbands and talk about the modelling side of the game?

[@justcallmepip732]

Im waiting for part 2 of the Hand of Fate story

[@gladiatordude3723]

Made my own lore for my own custom heretic warband just need the models

[@ДмитроДорофеєв]

10:19 Why do I hear Ghost B.C. all of a sudden?

[@Aberinkula9]

RAAATS! AH UH AAAAH! 😅❤

[@redmammoth8759]

If I did the legions it would have to be the Knights of Avarice. Make the as opulent as possible and then add a grim and blood layer over it.

[@winggweeps]

Sir. Hand of Fate p2 please

[@ChaseHendersonWV]

Personally I hope they use a lot of unreliable narrators in the lore so it becomes very ambiguous who is right. I think if they dig around in the gnostics they could craft a compelling reason to join hell. I see a little bit of it already will Hell refers to the “Despot Yahweh”. Just so far we’ve seen most of the lore from New Antioch and Sultanate perspective.

[@fish5671]

Nah no way, unless heaven is very wacky in the setting, the only reason to join hell would be that you were forced or that you were a fool

[@ChaseHendersonWV]

@@fish5671 this is the setting where the Paladin’s attendants are blinded and gelded because the church is afraid they’ll get horny.

[@X8THECHI8X]

​@@fish5671 or you just like being a baddie.

[@Sara3346]

@@fish5671 I mean it could be? Angels seem to be indiscriminate living nukes in this verse. It seems very intentional that we have not seen heaven yet....plus we know there is more out there beyond heaven and hell vis a vi the Church of Metamorphosis stuff.

[@Kaiser-in2od]

Gnosticism is legit. Not saying I actually believe any of that stuff. But God would defs qualify as a tyrant.

[@gertrudeausbuxdehude8842]

Heretic Legion- everybody's Favorite... 😂

[@Myrea_Rend]

Did... did you name your War Wolf "Clive" as in "Clive _Barker,_ " because it's a _dog?_

[@scannerbarkly]

Yes.

[@Wafflemarine22]

Like with Wh 40k the setting and the normal life of the average citizen is so bad that why not listen to the offerings of dark gods. The Dark Gods in 40k don't just have strictly evil and negative attributes. Khorn is also the God of Honor. Nurgle can make you immune to more pain and suffering. If Trench Crusades lore wants to succeed with its demonic factions they need to bolster the lore with what do the common legionnaire get over siding with God. Both sides would need to offer something to bring converts to them.

[@eddvo6641]

I thought Sin Eaters were gonna be part of this list, no?

[@vixen-corpse]

They are mercenary

[@INSOMNIAREX]

Do you honestly see the legions of Hell in this setting, as goofy? I think (I'm no biblical expert) as authentic and nasty on a scale not before seen in a TT game before.

[@scannerbarkly]

People going against their own ultimate interest due to short term weakness is always fucking goofy, it's what makes us moronic as a species.

[@nebricback1430]

Let’s gooooo

[@user-ub9fr3rm8j]

Me gusta the skaven por este razón, cómicamente malvada

[@Aberinkula9]

Imagino ahora un crossover duelo de las legiones de herejes de "Cruzada de Trincheras" contra los Skaven. 🤪

[@user-ub9fr3rm8j]

@ súper bien a mi

[@codycurtin2295]

What about justified heretics? That led them to choosing that side

[@scannerbarkly]

Justified how? You side with the Devil and you're evil, bro. Dems the rules.

[@codycurtin2295]

@scannerbarkly becoming evil out of spite!

[@scannerbarkly]

Becoming evil out of spite is not a justification for becoming evil.

[@codycurtin2295]

@@scannerbarkly aw c'mon tons of villains get wronged and then scorn the whole world blaming it for their problems!

[@codycurtin2295]

@@scannerbarkly that's where the whole "they just want to watch the burn" narrative is all about

[@Definitely_Dave]

They look so cool, but I’m not a huge fan of that Satan fellow.

[@SonySteals]

Can’t watch due to yellow / orange, eye-burning background lol

[@kristopherpeterson3315]

Empty your recycle bin!

[@Doomer1984]

This makes grim dark 40k look like my little pony. Really disturbing lore

[@peteriter]

Imagine being part of the heretic legions. Pfff!! Talking about bad decisions lol

[@Kaiser-in2od]

Yeah, I mean. If hell actually does exist. There's 0 questions of if I'll end up there. According to all the texts and everything, I'm essentially irrevocably damned. So, like I guess I understand why you would do something like that.