The Marvel Symphonic Universe

Here's a second, supplementary video we made: • Hollywood Scores & Sou...
And a new Twitter account about temp music we made: / soundsliketemp
Watch Dan Golding's great response video here: • A Theory of Film Music
Off the top of your head, could you sing the theme from Star Wars? How about James Bond? Or Harry Potter? But here’s the kicker: can you sing any theme from a Marvel film? Despite 13 films and 10 billion dollars at the box office, the Marvel Cinematic Universe lacks a distinctive musical identity or approach. So let’s try to answer the question: what is missing from Marvel music?
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Taylor Ramos: / glassesattached
Tony Zhou: / tonyszhou
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Patreon: / everyframeapainting
Interviews filmed in Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Special thanks to David Chen for feedback: / davechensky
The Hollywood Reporter 2012 Composers Roundtable: • Danny Elfman, Alexandr...
The Hollywood Reporter 2014 Composers Roundtable: • Trent Reznor, Hans Zim...
Music Cues:
Daniel Pemberton - Orchestra Tuning Up (from The Movies (2005) video game)
Ramin Djawadi - “Test Day Eleven” (Unreleased from Iron Man)
Patrick Doyle - "8m52 Warriors Find Thor ALT” (Unreleased from Thor)
Henry Jackman - “The Smithsonian” (from Winter Soldier)
Danny Elfman - “Heroes” (from Age of Ultron)
Danny Elfman - “Farmhouse” (from Age of Ultron)
Patrick Doyle - “Ride to Observatory” (from Thor)
Henry Jackman - "A New Recruit” (from Civil War)
Temp Music Examples:
300 (2007)
Elliot Goldenthal - “Victorious Titus” from Titus (1999)
Tyler Bates - “Returns a King"
Titus owned by Fox Searchlight Pictures
300 owned by Warner Bros. Pictures
THOR (2011)
Steve Jablonsky - “Einstein’s Wrong” from Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
Patrick Doyle - “Hammer Found"
Transformers owned by Paramount Pictures
Thor first owned by Paramount Pictures, then transferred to Walt Disney Studios
MAD MAX: FURY ROAD (2015)
Henry Jackman - “Captain America” from Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
Junkie XL - “Brothers in Arms"
Winter Soldier owned by Walt Disney Studios
Mad Max: Fury Road owned by Warner Bros. Pictures
DRIVE ANGRY (2011)
Hans Zimmer - “Mombasa” from Inception (2010)
Michael Wandmacher - “Mass vs. Acceleration"
Inception owned by Warner Bros. Pictures
Drive Angry owned by Lionsgate/Summit Entertainment
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[@Me-wk7dz]

A good example of Star Wars being creative with its music: In Empire Strikes Back when Han Solo gets frozen by carbonite, you don't have dark or depressing music. Instead you have a love theme playing, suddenly making the scene shift from "Han getting frozen" to "Han and Leia being separated. "

[@lukephillips5618]

Bad Lip Reading ruined that for me

[@thegaminghydra592]

LOL Me too

[@TheJenSolo]

Another cool Star Wars tidbit: The Imperial March, which everyone remembers as Vader's theme, didn't actually appear until The Empire Strikes Back! Talk about a great composer topping himself.

[@GuyNamedSean]

Exactly. Williams wrote the score like the film was an opera. Characters had their own themes, moments through the films can be recognized entirely by just the music playing during them. If I played Clash of Lightsabers for anyone they'd recognize it was from Luke's fight with Vader.

[@TheJenSolo]

I subscribed 7 months ago. Just as I'm starting my work shift today, I get the notification for this upload. LONGEST DAY EVAR. Thanks for the film love, Tony!

[@mudkittens]

I can't believe how much taking out the narration fixed that Captain America scene. It got so good

[@elihulopez3161]

it sound like stuerd little scene

[@nigratruo]

Looks like directors nowadays don't know anymore how to use music to tell an emotional story. The narration is not necessary, the music should tell the story. Sadly, in many movies and TV shows now, music has become meaningless elevator music.

[@fedeveracrash]

holy shit is amazing. It just makes it work.

[@evinh111]

mudkittens I got shivers when they removed the narration.

[@dika_hilman]

yessss

[@kevinjialingzhou4666]

"By August 2016, Mark Mothersbaugh was hired to score the film.[2][3] Mothersbaugh was influenced by a video essay from the KZbin channel Every Frame a Painting, which criticized the scores from previous Marvel Cinematic Universe films for their lack of memorability, to make the score for Thor: Ragnarok as distinctive as possible.[4]" - Music Director for Thor Ragnarok

[@marquizzo]

@@pcyr9999 Thanks for posting the source! It looks like this video singlehandedly changed Marvel's blandness and gave us this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIDEk4SQfblnp7s

[@sindhugunturi8561]

Wow, amazing

[@nSackStyles]

The most underrated comment of this video.

[@pedro_a_martins]

That is so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jemal999]

I was literally coming here to say it felt like they fixed this with Ragnarok & Infinity War/Endgame. Some of my favourite cinematic music in those films.

[@davidwoods8181]

That last guy is the kind of dad you'd be so embarrassed of as a teenager, but you'd love to hang out with as an adult

[@itsover9008]

Could not have said it better.

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

I am so distracted by his breast...

[@radioactivedetective6876]

Makes me want to have a dad. i lost mine when I was two.

[@shawn409]

That guy was gold!

[@Vaquix000]

Yeah.... because every teenager and every adult is the exact same person right? Not a well thought out comment. The guy was funny to start with but the singing overstayed its welcome. I'm an adult and no this doesn't make me want to hang out with him.

[@Crick1952]

That guy singing the Spider-Man theme is my new favorite person

[@Okanehira]

Spider-dad is the key to all this

[@smaakjeks]

+Okanehira LOL

[@KafshakTashtak]

And he knows all of it.

[@RickyMon]

my new personal hero

[@Patrick-jj5nh]

I like how he stopped after every other verse and thought to himself: am i gonna show these guys im such a dork that I know the whole fuckin thing?

[@jesusemilio5493]

Lol that man in the end is a real fan, literally spider-man's theme was the only one I could remember and it isn't even from the movies.

[@titanuranus3095]

The Starspangled Man song from Cpt. America, though?

[@florianpuertolas2278]

It is now ! A remixed version of it was in Homecoming :) I can't remember if it was at the start credit or the end credit though

[@Kennisiou]

They play an orchestral version in the opening credits and iirc if you watch the end credits long enough they play the version by The Ramones eventually?

[@Pedro_Marangon]

it was in Marvel's Logo animation

[@sheikhheisen]

I can sing Homecomings Main theme of the top of my Head. No, not the Orchestral version of the 60s theme. I mean the Main theme that plays throughout the Movie ex: Rubble scene

[@aquamus]

The Captain America clip without the narrator is so much more effective. Amazing to see the impact of such a small change

[@josepholsen7450]

aquamus this channel edited out the boy seeing cap the first time they roll clip because the narrating STOPS during that moment. they intentionally misguided the viewers to falsely establish their point.

[@leew1598]

There's a risk though that audiences come to depend on the score too much to tell them how to feel at any given moment if it's placed above sound or dialogue. It's like how comedies on TV use a laughter track to remind you to laugh at all the jokes. Some of the most exciting scenes in cinema can be done without any resort to music, like the original mission impossible wires scene. Using music to get an audience pumped or psyched or sad is the most quick and basic way there is really I feel. The score in the phantom meance is amazing but I'd still rather watch Captain America the Winter Solider because really music can't compensate for more important things like writing and directing.

[@dylanchevalier6677]

I think it sounded a bit weird. Like those middle notes that rise right before the kid is shown indicate that a narrator or something should probably be there.

[@senshiofthewind]

I enjoy the narration because it's Gary Sinise, and that's such a Sinise (support the troops) thing to do that it grounds Cap firmly in this universe for me.

[@momoefolkz]

it became emotionally richer and deeper without the narrator’s voice and only the music

[@rohangarg8287]

Oh my goodness!!! Marvel should pay this man millions, Marvel earned a lot by improving its theme music in the last 3 years. A very well researched video. Hats off!!

[@cleensbear]

exactly, they know this video exist and didn't pay him ;( www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/thor-ragnarok-composer-acknowledges-marvel-scores-sound-same-1054503/

[@galactic85]

They didn't improve that much. Outside if avengers endgame I can't think of any memorable songs from marvel films.

[@Yourboss3382]

The Avengers had an iconic theme since 2012 and Captain America, Winter Soilder and Ant-Man had amazing scores as well. What are you guys talking about?

[@rohangarg8287]

@@Yourboss3382 We are talking about the recall value of those themes, which obviously wasn't much

[@dayyanahmad117]

@@galactic85 Black Panther

[@everyframeapainting]

Also if any of you start a fucking Marvel vs. DC thing in the comments, I'll just ban you. In our research, we found DC to be just as musically awkward as Marvel, just in a different way. This is an industry-wide problem.

[@LegendarySpartan117]

tell that to Zod's snapped neck

[@kirbyc9042]

damn, you are cursing now? shit just got real bruh

[@doozybrat]

Which editing software do you use to make your videos?

[@kiwikakashi]

God bless you, Tony

[@beansontoast468]

Yeah fuk em both, watchman rule

[@TheOnceAndFutureDoug]

Dude at the end is a legend. No idea who he is. But he's awesome.

[@CaioAraujoRibeiro]

Lol yeah, he just kept going. Zero fucks were given

[@Drudenfusz]

Instant nerd celebrity!

[@clive2345]

I love how embarrassed his kids were, haha.

[@esaiperez2787]

never knew there were so many lyrics to the Spidey theme!

[@sanjidparvez]

Yup...my like to this video goes for him! My most favorite cartoon theme of all time!

[@fgmods]

It's ironic finding this video post End Game, years after this video was released. It's almost like Marvel realised they needed to get their act together with music and now that Avengers theme gets everyone hyped

[@3rdman99]

Again how does it go again? I have no idea.

[@sneedis9909]

no. who remembers the avengers theme

[@clara-nt9rx]

Its just not memorable though. Its pretty generic action dun dun music of the post inception era.

[@mega-drive6462]

I've heard a couple people in public sing the Avengers theme. Especially on the buildup to Endgame

[@Groypette]

The only notable tune most Marvel Music sounds like stock tunes that come in editing programs

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

Seeing the Danny Elfman clips made me sad. He’s such talented composer when he’s allowed to exercise creative freedom.

[@thewaffle003]

Fable theme is a lightning example of this.

[@ohmyguard99]

Coming back to this video after watching Endgame. For all the people saying he was creating a false narrative, go back and watch the trailers for Age of Ultron and the original Avengers. Marvel only started doing their signature "Da daaaa da daaaa" in Infinity War and onwards. I think someone at Marvel saw this :D

[@destrogamer4521]

Marvel did see this. Thor 3 director credited this video.

[@RhoninFire]

It's so annoying everyone is jumping on a hate train because nobody can keep track of their history. He was right in 2016. And they greatly improved, maybe even because of this video. But people just know it's memorable now and retroactively think that's how it always been.

[@skinnermclane4467]

@@destrogamer4521 That makes sense. I remember there were a number of scenes in Thor 3 that specifically linger on just the music to have it inspire the emotion in the scene. This is maybe best shown when Hulk turns back into Banner. It could've been done as horror or even comedy, but the music is so pained and tragic even before any action happens that it sets up the welling of emotions inside "The Monster" before we see him break down as Thor looks on, horrified.

[@dwidiptayana]

@@destrogamer4521 if Taika Waititi really did watch this video, then he made right decision by using Led Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song" for Thor Ragnarok.

[@horace6851]

not true, Avengers theme is played in the first Avengers when they team up

[@newelvestr]

That last guy deserves half the revenue from this video in my non serious opinion..,

[@ChuckMac2005]

He is operating at 1000% Dad Mode

[@yelolimpo5585]

mm,m,w,s

[@AwkwardCheeseIsAwkward]

Seriously awesome dude.

[@rumshutt3r]

Tony doesn't monetize his videos.

[@dika_hilman]

Yesss

[@MinorCirrus]

This is an 11/10 video. Eye-opening to some, confirmation to others and needs to be shared all over the world.

[@SamirPatnaik]

perfectly put!

[@UlfMTG]

seriously all of this guys' videos are 11/10

[@SamirPatnaik]

iang true

[@trenton9]

Such a confirmation. I always listen consciously for music in films.

[@daveh9474]

just asked a friend to do this and she hummed like 9 marvel songs.

[@tryggviholt8958]

really shows how the avengers theme was fairly unrecognizable until infinity war came out and they put the theme on every scene

[@applepie1272]

Right?then Endgame come too The theme is so recognizable now

[@MrVos-mh7qo]

But is it reconisable because its good? Or because they repeated it so much it became too hard to miss?

[@cattysplat]

@@MrVos-mh7qo I know I rewatched those trailers again and again both intentionally and from KZbin ads and from other pre movie trailers.

[@GavinAeilts]

Why not both

[@jameslough6329]

That’s because Avengers hasn’t been around for a while like Harry Potter or Star Wars at that point. Now it’s been over a decade since the avengers movies started, and people remember the music, they’ve had time to sit with it

[@yever4635]

That is INSANE how powerful 5:16 was without the narration!

[@josepholsen7450]

it's fake. the emotional scene is not shown at the end of the first example, but would have had no narrations in either moment (when the boy spots cap). this channel intentionally edited it out to prove their point. the narration serves as key exposition for bucky if you never saw First Avenger.

[@Hoganply]

I disagree. I think it provides a focused bolstering of cap's contextual importance in his relationship with the everyday Joe in the movie's universe; reminded of his living legend status, as evidenced by the kind of language used, it's emotional on more than one level than if there were to be just the comparatively nebulous emotional sound of the score. The score alone makes it emotionally claustrophobic, which would make sense if he were just remembering the horrors of war. The tone of the score clearly belies this; emotional but heroic. If it faded up in volume over the, doing this gradually, then maybe it could work. But it kind of does that anyway in the original edit once he sees the kid.

[@padilla11230]

I teared up from thar shit mane

[@louisd1827]

I think rather than being powerful just like that, it shows that the scene has more potential without the narration. But the score would need to be changed a bit in tone and volume if it actually stood alone.

[@fresnelfringe4736]

Feels like Spielberg directed it.

[@SaiScribbles]

That one guy who knew the entire Spider-Man theme, I kept cracking up every time he launched into the next verse.

[@pablogarcia5618]

Genius

[@joellim6988]

Whats your problem dude, you find that cringey shit funny?

[@EthanSmith]

I hope he got a singing gig out of this

[@lucm4694]

@@joellim6988 AND U R THE COOLEST DUDE EVER RIGHT???

[@joellim6988]

@@lucm4694 yes

[@GimR]

I swear I've heard inception music in a million other movies. Now I know why.

[@fortetom8868]

Even when I'm not watching smash videos, I see GimR! I totally agree. (also, thanks for all you do for the community!)

[@stickinittotheman1]

+Thomas Speranza ^^^

[@seanperez8984]

Holy shit I found GimR deep in the comment section again. Do I get a prize?

[@niceprofile-k6i]

The GIMZ always winz

[@leucbinh7397]

Yup, one example is the Hope theme from Xmen Days of future past

[@philomenayap367]

TFW HE TOOK OUT THE PERSON TALKING IN THE CAPTAIN AMERICA SCENE AND I STARTED CRYING???? SIR YOU MAKE SUCH A STRONG POING

[@canti7951]

Strong poing indeed

[@thiccardboyle2952]

his poing do be strong

[@Damnitookyobitch]

May the poing be with you

[@LoganMarcosSchmidt]

so poing

[@petroserk9370]

I think you missed the poing..

[@andrewgwilliam4831]

Wow, I had no idea that temp music was now being abused like that! What's the point of hiring a creative professional only to get them to pretty much copy someone else's work?!

[@artsyomni]

Or worse: Hiring a creative professional to have them copy somebody else's copy of their own work. =P

[@snolan1990]

It is cheaper than licensing the actual songs.

[@sebaba001]

Eh.. I work in sound post for film and I see it all the time.. temp music is pretty much copied all the fucking time.

[@Ketutar]

They need the professional to "change" the music enough to avoid copyright lawsuits.

[@Vaquix000]

@@snolan1990 And people wonder why music in movies is bland and forgettable now. If they want their composer to write memorable and good music, LET THEM BE COMPOSERS. If I were making a movie I would not even have them hear a temp track, I'd want them to come up with everything themselves and let them be the great artists they are.

[@ironyman7015]

This video is what made Marvel highlight their avengers theme in every trailer and everyone knows it now! All thanks to this dude!!

[@julez4618]

Really?? How do you know?

[@eddydrouet1888]

@@krzysztofpiasek5682 no he's right. The director for Thor 3 has credited this video

[@yeppieyay8906]

@@eddydrouet1888 Got a link to this, mate? Director crediting this video.

[@marchdarkenotp3346]

@@yeppieyay8906 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor:_Ragnarok_(soundtrack)

[@djibkan2795]

Still having one recognisable theme for 20+ movies is kinda weak. I am sure you can think of at least 4 Star Wars Themes for the Original Trilogy.

[@SirWrender]

Haha that ending!!! That was pretty cool

[@_Cato_]

wrenthereaper Dude, with the number of subscribers you have you could be making a LOT of money. Why don't you ever make videos? That's so interesting to see!

[@SirWrender]

Isiskos I"m full time at Corridor and Sam and Niko pumping out content every day! My personal channel is now my side project. Check it out and I hope to see you in the comments there!

[@operationstratos1013]

that's probably the ONLY Marvel music that is recognizable. XDXDXD

[@Dreamings_]

One of the most remembered marvel songs should be Winter Soldier credits.

[@operationstratos1013]

or the x-men opening theme

[@CreoTan]

This video really makes me appreciate the soundtrack for Into the Spiderverse, because the score was made to fit with the movie. What's up Danger is still really incredible, not just on its own, but in how well it meshes with the tone and emotions of the scene.

[@elodgyori8793]

into the spiderverse had an incredible score

[@langreeves6419]

Yes, Into the Spiderverse was perfection. But I've liked all the nonMCU Spider-Man movies. And those first two raimi ones had great Elfman scores

[@nickchavarria8052]

The only music I remember from spider-verse was “sunflower” but hey, that’s not too shabby.

[@eliasfigarzon9813]

@@langreeves6419 fucking mcu fanboy detected.

[@eliasfigarzon9813]

@@nickchavarria8052 poor fucking mcu fanboy detected.

[@MuffinsCrib]

Holy shit when you changed the music for the Thor scene it totally changed the atmosphere omg. I've never thought music would make such a difference. The original music would have been good for a comedy-ish movie, but to my knowledge, Thor is more focused on action and fighting and stuff, so your version would have much better suited the scene. Good Job!

[@guicaldo7164]

Music makes so much more difference than you realize. Often, it's basically half of the scene.

[@graric]

The scene was meant to be a comic beat though- they're knocking at the window and yell 'FOUND YOU!' at Thor, having heroic music underneath that moment would make the sequence tonally jarring as the visuals and the dialogue are trying to sell a joke while the music is trying to sell the scene as an epic reunion.

[@DAMIENDICE]

It's like someone at marvel saw this.

[@Belioyt]

They did

[@VinWeiLee27171]

@@Belioyt sounds like you're in the production?

[@Belioyt]

A response to this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5S7pHtubb2fga8

[@cameronternent8463]

And then ignored it?

[@BrendanJSmith]

Cameron Ternent um no. They listened and now the MCU scores are much better and more recognizable.

[@MisoHungryForTravel]

That guy at the end...amazing! Haha.

[@freddogrosso9835]

He's a Dad amongst dads.

[@ketchuplad157]

his son at the bottom doesnt look too happy

[@gc3k]

Manboobs

[@bluebeanbaby]

he won my heart, always keep that childhood spirit people it is so endearing

[@Randomnomad2024]

awesome!

[@Rec_Affect]

I’m glad Danny Elfman was in this, but they failed to mention his score to the 2002 Spider-Man movie! That music is extremely effective in playing the emotion and energy of the picture. Yet, it could also stand alone as an incredible piece of art! Love you Danny! 🖤

[@GarArtStudios]

As a composer, I can't remember one single score from any Marvel film in the past 8 years off the top of my head. However, while it takes me a moment to find it in my head, the original scores for the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man films had some interesting, highly fitting, and memorable scores. The music within that film seemed to fit the magical feel of Spider-Man swinging through the skies and around the massive buildings of New York and I love it. Something I feel most Marvel films have lacked since then. And I believe those scores were by Danny Elfman as well.

[@onex7805]

Iron Man - Driving with the Top Down Thor - Sons of Odin Thor - Thor Kills the Destroyer Captain America - Captain America March Avengers - The Avengers Avengers - Helicarrier Avengers - A Promise Iron Man 3 - Iron Man 3 Captain America: TWS - Taking a Stand Captain America: TWS - The Winter Soldier Captain America TWS - End of the Line Guardians of the Galaxy - To the Stars Guardians of the Galaxy - Black Tears Ant Man - Main Theme Ant Man - Tales to Astonish Civil War - Cap's Promise

[@MrTechselect]

Iron Man - Driving with the Top Down and Iron Man 3's ending credits Can You Dig It are so good.

[@Chance57]

Same. I don't have to Google a list or anything. Sandman's theme from three is a piece I hum every so often it's stuck with me so well. Thinking to DC, Basically all of BvS's score. I'll count MoS in there since the iterations on the themes went through.

[@benl.4577]

oh my god it's garrett

[@Xpzilla]

I can never get enough of Driving With The Top Down

[@samzheng5803]

I felt chills when I heard the Thor music switched

[@aidabaida6076]

The interesting part is that the music he replaced it with was from the Thor soundtrack itself! Which stands to reason that the problem isn't with the music - its how the music is used.

[@samzheng5803]

i Know!!!!

[@aidabaida6076]

Every marvel movie has a good memorable theme. The problem is that the themes aren't re-used in other movies. Thor has a different theme in every movie, Iron Man has a different theme in every movie.... Not being able to remember the music is because the producers aren't letting the theme become iconic because they keep ordering their composers to replace it!

[@israellai]

it feels like LOTR

[@nelsonmolina4815]

Ioazie

[@calebsaxton1908]

This speaks volumes about how I feel about Marvel movies. While I have enjoyed nearly every Marvel movie, they have all seemed formulaic, bland, and predictable. This resonates down to how they score films. Always playing it safe, making good but not original great films.

[@derrickkkk2000]

Pun intended?

[@PSYCHOBEVO]

+Caleb Saxton, Yeah, I like Marvel, but you're right.

[@toransilverman]

That's pretty much Disney. Its fun, safe, and processed for biggest profits. Don't expect anything that hasn't been formulated to the nth degree.

[@toransilverman]

Lucas Alves The thing is... even their fun and interesting movies are formulaic to the Nth degree. Probably focused tested to hell and back.

[@DogWick]

+Lucas “Prrg” Alves Captain America The Winter Soldier's villain was just a regular guy in charge of hydra which was refreshing

[@CarlHH777]

"this is really a safe way to score a film" That's my main problem with these movies. Everything is SAFE.

[@mathiyanz]

Not really

[@marshmallow353]

I would agree before but not after Infinity War and Endgame. They finally had real stakes and the finally also have big prices to pay to get what they want.

[@sws212]

@@mathiyanz Literally all the Disney movies are formulaic but whatever. Same humor, plot structure, etc. Only endgame did anything different and that was only because RDJ wanted out.

[@mongverongpi2991]

Exactly!

[@miltontavares9506]

Well,Winter Soldier was risky in terms of tone and it worked.

[@jamesy8581]

What's missing from the MCU that Star Wars, Harry Potter, and James Bond have? Well, two thirds of those have John Williams...

[@Retrograde]

ricky gervais 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@rhodriwilliams2599]

James Bond's music wasn't written by John Williams but your point is valid. You get john williams and you aren't telling him what to do, he will do whatever the hell he likes. David Arnold was the composer for James Bond from Tomorrow Never Dies to Quantum of Solace and i read somewhere that when a director tells him "I don't want the music to be noticed" he will just reply with "Do you notice the music in E.T.?" "yes" "And what's wrong with E.T.?" I get the sense he bullies directors into letting him do what he thinks is best aha

[@sym8774]

Megadog the avengers theme is so good

[@dpage446]

@@rhodriwilliams2599 that's why he said two-thirds

[@rhodriwilliams2599]

TheDragonKing yes my mistake. Still that story about David Arnold is fairly relevant.

[@maxgrabl5367]

I got goosebumps in the Captain America scene. It’s insane how important film music is.

[@Demigryph]

right! captain America is missing emotional investment

[@TheSecondVersion]

What kind of "apology" was that? "We're so sorry that people think we did something wrong. We have complete respect for the guy whose music we ripped off."

[@everyframeapainting]

Yep.

[@Pecisk]

It is written by lawyer. Anything more could be used in court to squeeze millions of profits. So yeah, it is sleazy worded.

[@SeithonJetter]

The kind written by expensive lawyers and backed up with a modest yet sufficiently large check written out to the offended party.

[@popandlochnessie]

Ya Dink

[@zodayn]

It's the kind of ''we say what you want to hear as long as it doesn't cost money or result into more PR trouble.''

[@ravencomplex1129]

The Marvel song that will always stick in my head is the Winter Solder's Theme. Something about the hard pounding sound along with the high pitched note that drags on, building tension every time he enters a scene. But if someone asked me to repeat it, I couldn't without just sounding weird.

[@demifiend9]

You are the reason why Thor: Ragnarok's music is so great. Thank you.

[@nguyeninhquangminh5131]

Rahul Choudhary still not memorable tho

[@bongexpert1850]

No, you're just an idiot.

[@GoldenWhistle]

no it still suck

[@applejuice8251]

it’s forgettable i can’t remember any music from it except the Led Zeppelin song

[@AZITHEMLGPRO]

& they didn't even take opportunity to play it when he makes triumphant return! They just play the avengers theme again 😒

[@sulebakr259]

This video literally made me realize the reason that I wasn't getting emotionally affected to marvel films, really good analysis.

[@GrunkelGwen]

Dear, @Every Frame a Painting, I just learned that THIS very video influenced the makers of "Thor 3 - Ragnarok" to compose and create the original and weird music for the Grandmaster (Jeff Goldblum). Can't describe how happy I am, that you actually made the movie world a better place. Thank you!

[@mathavraj9662]

Gwendaddelt wow.. Really? Where did you get this information?

[@audi1982]

Actually the composer of Thor 3 REUSED parts of previous Thor themes to create a sense of continuity. Something that Marvel movies dont do is reuse their themes hence why we often dont remember the theme songs. What he did actually contradicts Tony's video.

[@nikolasdove]

When talking about temp music, it reminded me a lot as a musician and someone who raps about when I write music to a beat that I found online, and it sounds cool, but then later I have to make a new beat original for myself and then put those lyrics to fit. I get it to work sometimes with restructuring it to mesh well for the final product, but I always remember the way it was this first time I made it to the beat I found on KZbin or writing to a famous instrumental from one of my favorite artists. Weird to make that connection in this context too because it really makes sense and I understand both sides in my own way. Really cool video!

[@Jesulinaattori]

The dude in the end knew about what would happen with Spider-Man: Homecoming!

[@derringer1072]

Too bad they didn't use the Ramones version

[@KipomoVideos]

Snowball they did in the end

[@derringer1072]

Wasn't it blitzkrieg bop?

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Michael Giachinno's theme was pretty badass

[@AZITHEMLGPRO]

The rest of the soundtrack was fucking repetitive & generic tho

[@mjm3879]

Tony Zhou, thank you this and your other vids. Very interesting and highly intelligent. There are a couple other factors at play with action movie scores which makes them all sound alike. Not only are composers asked to mimic the temp, composers are also expected to create great sounding computer/sampler generated mock-ups & demos to be cut into the edit for the filmmakers and producers to watch. A composer will readily be fired from a job if the mock-ups don't sound convincing. The sounds that tend to be the most convincing are percussion, long sustains, short attacks like string pizzicato and synths- your basic recipe of a Marvel score. Also, many modern filmmakers shy away from strong musical themes. They seem to feel it's cheating or manipulative to have a memorable theme developing along with the narrative. Yet what people remember is strong musical theme - for example, the ones you mention at the beginning of the video. In avoiding themes composers are stuck with what had previously been filler material. Music then is just something that keeps a scene moving. It's the musical equivalent of "shoe-leather". To avoid themes composer often resort to simply arpeggiating chords and adding sustains and percussion. What should be a rich and varied palette has been reduced to the bare minimum elements. Thanks again for your work. Cheers.

[@everyframeapainting]

Marco Beltrami had a great quote about mockups that we included in an earlier version of the video, but we ultimately decided to ditch that point, because... well, we couldn't "prove" what he said unless we had access to some of those demos. And while I managed to get my hands on a few Marvel demos, it wasn't enough for us to really get a slam dunk. I mean, obviously I agree with your point. But agreeing with it, and "proving" it via footage are two very different things.

[@yea-pn9fr]

Looks like I gotta make a name for myself making indie films before hiring a badass motherfucker like Yoko Kanno to compose music for any film I wanna make.

[@tubejtthomps]

In my experience the 'I hate nondiagetic music' attitude is associated with indie or artistic filmmaking so it's interesting to see it influence these movies as they try to gain some degree of cultural seriousness.

[@mjm3879]

fair enough, TZ. One quick aside - Until relatively recently composers demoed their music on live, solo piano (as opposed to mock ups). Sometimes the composer would sing a line on top of what they were playing. The first time the composer, director and everybody else heard anything like the actual score was at the recording session. All those great themes/scores of John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Elmer Bernstein, etc. were auditioned in a room with a piano and a moviola. Kind of amazing. Thank you again for these great vids. Cheers.

[@Merthalophor]

Every Frame a Painting is currently the channel with the most production quality of youtube.

[@SAndSPictures]

Yes Tony's film insight is very insightful; however, KZbin has tons of channels with better production value. I still love Every Frame A Painting, but it has nowhere near the "best" production value.

[@Merthalophor]

S&S Pictures Well what do you watch then? I think Crash Course, Veritasium, Vsauce 3, Kurzgesagt, Wisecrack and maybe School of Life are on similar levels...

[@ceresprism]

I've become a huge fan of kaptainkristian lately.

[@bloatus7611]

Nerdwriter1 has excellent production value.

[@Evsbear1]

Ahoy has some of the best that I've seen

[@SunnyShuklathedoctor]

That's why Hans Zimmer scores stick out more to me, his themes such rich emotions out of you. Wonder Woman's theme is a big example.

[@sarahgarrod5311]

The entire Sherlock Holmes soundtrack is 👌👌

[@MajorAddiction]

Gladiator!

[@davidnjihia6781]

He created Thor Ragnarok. Aaaaaaaah ah! Aaaaaaaah! Ah! Aaaaaaaaaah Ah! Remember that music?

[@varun4929]

@@davidnjihia6781 bruh what no.

[@Tomemos1Jager]

The entire Modern Warfare 2 soundtrack!

[@mothersbasement]

I'd have started singing Hooked on a Feeling, even though it doesn't really count. guardians is the one time Marvel has done something ballsy with their music. excellent video as always Tony.

[@funlesbian]

ballsy (for them) but actually just nostalgic and safe

[@calebmauer1751]

@@funlesbian Yeah, it was all music you could here on any classic rock station. But to people who don't listen to it, which to be fair is a lot of people, it's probably great to hear it for the first time.

[@Whaddayamean13]

Not really ballsy. Just a surefire way to get people to wake up from their naps. Not creative at all. They don’t have anything unique to their movies because they aren’t made by directors or artists. They’re made by studios looking to check boxes so they can get a good enough aggregate score on Rotten Tomatoes.

[@wmcburnett]

Tony, great point, but it is made even better by the counterpoint - Guardians of the Galaxy. They uses 70's pop/rock songs so well in their soundtrack, that it became part of the love of the movie. I still listen to "Awesome Mix, Volume 1" playlist that I made. Those songs DID anchor emotional moments, they WERE RISKS that the director took, and it PAID OFF because this was the Marvel movie that I most identify with. I kept waiting for you to bring this up as the exception that proved the rule. Can't wait for "Awesome Mix, Volume 2" - which is PART OF THE PLOT.

[@everyframeapainting]

That's not an original score. Using famous needle drops from the 70s (however well used they are in the film, and they are VERY well used) is very different from crafting an original score like Star Wars. I'm sure you can sing Awesome Mix Volume 1 but how's your ability with the Guardians of the Galaxy main theme (as heard in the Kyln Escape and at the end of the film)?

[@wmcburnett]

Maybe that was James Gunn's hack to get around the problem? I kept waiting for your interview subjects to break out with "If you like Pina Coladas...." or "Moonage Daydream ooohhhh yeahhhhhh".

[@wmcburnett]

ps. Thanks for the reply!

[@wmcburnett]

Your reply got you a patron

[@whosoever5409]

True but the MCU should have an iconic song for each film to differentiate it from just a typical superhero film. I do like the avengers theme song tho

[@Empiro3]

For everyone thinking, "I can totally remember the Avengers theme", don't forget that this video came out before Infinity War. Go watch the trailers for all the Avengers movies to see exactly why you can remember the theme now. It's either a coincidence or someone at was actually paying attention, but I'm glad the Marvel movies seem to pay more attention to scores now.

[@clausch.3517]

it's because they're holding onto that one song in hopes to defend their fast food movies at all costs, it's like they want the avengers theme to be on any marvel movie

[@Hyperdriveuk]

I don't recall any of the music from infinity war.

[@dead0ntime]

I remembered the theme from the first time I saw The Avengers in 2012. Other than Can You Dig It from Iron Man 3, I can’t remember anything else

[@dwagin6315]

I dunno, I remembered the Avengers theme pretty well when I was young, but it definitely wasn't as popular before IW.

[@sym8774]

Dwagin I always thought it was iconic

[@OlOlOIIO]

12:40 fucking STOLE the show. I can tell his family was embarrassed but he was the GOAT. Great video overall. Never considered so many things that this brought to attention. I still feel like there's very little I can confidently recite but there are 100% now a few songs that I can make a sloppy attempt at.

[@hamptonwooster]

Wow that captain america scene is waaaaayyy better with the music in the foreground

[@chnacr2]

Yeah! Made the scene feel like a great Steven Spielberg moment

[@josepholsen7450]

to be honest... the cut in this video is misleading. If you watch, the music is played under the narration, sure. but that dialogue is necessary exposition for the film to stand on its own for people that may not have seen First Avenger. Now, if you watch... the EMOTIONAL part of the scene is when the boy sees captain America and cap responds. in this video that ending is cut out during the "bad" example and re-inserted during the "good" example. it is a terribly misleading editing tactic on this channel's part. in the real film, the emotional punch of the ending of the scene STILL has no narration, and therefore the directors do have a proper sense of when and when not to "undermine" scores. just look at infinity war and how there is no score during the most emotional part of the film to add weight/suspense.

[@josepholsen7450]

the way they edited that example in this video reminds me of the SNL Donald Glover jurassic park lawyer sketch! "play the clip! .....okayokayokaystopstopstop!" lol

[@RoyceRemix]

SO it's been one year today since this last upload from Tony. What's happened to our favorite mystifying, thought-provoking master of film analysis?

[@Orangutanklaus]

came here today with the same question - what happend to tony?

[@Ayena122]

He's been doing some work for the channel criterioncollection.

[@luisa.espinoza48]

Hhmmmmmmm.... Interesting...

[@ihsankamil6279]

He works for a film publishing company now no time for youtube

[@MinaF99]

Royce he got murdered by the marvel fanboys

[@Thalassicus01]

One of the last massive blockbusters I can think of with really memorable, original music was Lord of the Rings. Even 20 years later, I can still hear in my head the ominous Balrog chanting, the triumphant Rohirrim horns, or the cheerful Shire flute. I can't sing or hum any of it because it was so complex... but the memory is vividly engraved in my brain.

[@rkwatchauralnautsjediparty7303]

For my money, Howard Shore is the greatest film composer of all time. LOTR's score is nearly 10 hours long and when I want to hear, say, "For Frodo" at the end of Return of the King, I listen to the entire score from the beginning to get there (I may repeat a few of my favorites along the way, though). Themes build, then interweave with others, to develop the grand masterpiece. No piece can be truly appreciated on its own. And oh so memorable.

[@rkwatchauralnautsjediparty7303]

@Nicolas Nick Yep. And I bought the extended score as soon as the chills died down after having finished the movie ("What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?") for the first time.

[@rkwatchauralnautsjediparty7303]

@Nicolas Nick Well great. Now it's stuck in my head and I have to go listen to it with the subs up and the buttkicker on (Zimmer Drums). Thanks a lot. ;)

[@shakthiganesh5117]

@Nicolas Nick YESS! Man of steel soundtrack is awesome ans epic. Flight is my personal favourite.

[@baguettegott3409]

It's so brilliant. I attempted to learn some of the themes on piano just from listening, and that was when I realized that learning music just by ear is pretty hard if it isn't a pop song lol. And listening to somebody who's an expert on these things analysing the whole soundtrack is such a revelation. It really, substantially elevated the movies, like a good soundtrack should.

[@jameswhatsit]

I wish more movie creators would think about this! Pretty much every “iconic” movie/tv show in the last 70 years that have stayed in the public consciousness (ie, not the ones that win oscars but then disappear) have a well chosen score and/or a memorable “theme” tune!!

[@LibertyStudiosMachinima]

I was like "OH OH WAIT I KNOW!" *singing the Sam Raimi Spiderman theme* and then I realized, it's not apart of the MCU

[@Jack-nq1rk]

thats not sam raimi's it's from the cartoon

[@Jack-nq1rk]

but still

[@anmolt3840051]

speaking of cartoons though .... the Spectacular Spiderman theme and 90s X-Men themes were amazing

[@stonybrowder9521]

That was one of the only Marvel Films that had a discernible theme.

[@Nagrooven]

The original Sam Raimi Spider-Man was made in a time where they actually scored movies beautifully. Now they're lazy

[@jacobbastian1849]

I feel like the drive angry score is lawsuit worthy, holy crap

[@benmjt]

I guess the problem is that they're all in on it, so it would be endless.

[@andyzhang7890]

Sounds just slightly better than the temp imo, but yea.

[@lowieprice]

Tony, I refer back to your videos all of the time. These video are so inspiring and have propelled me into thinking of making video essays of my own. The editing in these videos is just impeccable, so you have my praise. Thank you for making content like this.

[@vc6444]

Marvel saw this video and took notes.

[@hrothgarnogar]

PandamanPandamanPandaman No, the soundtrack was memorable, not the score. Try humming any song from the SCORE and you'll realize you can't think of any at all. The soundtrack (A.K.A. the already existing songs they used for certain scenes) was what was good. The score was entirely forgettable.

[@ShayanQ]

they sure did i love thor and thanos's arrivals in infinity war. thanks to that score

[@sulaimanmhashim]

I think they did, infinity war had rich scores...

[@lautarovera2205]

@@sulaimanmhashim BLACK PANTHER

[@lemkillwon5245]

@@lautarovera2205 black panther sucks big dick

[@kaileewalden3586]

I'm a little surprised that there wasn't a single person who remembered the Avengers Theme.

[@SomeOrangeJuice]

Dun, Dun... DunDun... Dun... Dun, Dun!

[@PTNLemay]

Yeah. A lot of what's said here is true, but the Avengers theme is definitely the exception. You hear it (or a variation of it at least) used to great effect in the Infinity War trailer.

[@vc6444]

Marvel saw this video and took notes. That's why the infinity war trailer gave more importance to the avengers theme song and black panther has a really good soundtrack.

[@NickTovA]

Because the Avengers theme has been used in 2 out of 18 MCU movies.

[@omarsabir1210]

Kailee Walden its really hard to remember

[@TheN0odles]

Ha, that guy singing Spiderman at the end, lol :-) He looks a bit like Forest Whitaker.

[@asmodeusdan]

I was about to say: wow Whitaker has some skills XD

[@nekkidnora]

That dad enjoying the spider-man theme so much is THE BIGGEST MOOD.

[@danyv1826]

I swear, i could only remember The Avengers theme (especially in the iconic one-shot scene with all of theme) and first Iron Man. I dont think Guardians of the Galaxy counts, since it's about real songs...

[@NeoNitku2009]

You mean OSt's when you say "real songs"?

[@oriboy7415]

GoT has a lot of epic soundtrack besides the songd

[@ismailadiakite5692]

🙁🎶

[@sandra2630]

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[@HeyChicks]

Yup Guardians of the Galaxy has an iconic soundtrack. If I hear a song that's in the film, my mind automatically goes to that scene... They did a great job with the soundtrack.

[@harshadfad]

We will miss you immensely, Every Frame a Painting. Thanks for the wealth of knowledge and experience.

[@chenyuyang6591]

where is he, man do u know?

[@MirzaAnshari]

medium.com/@tonyszhou/postmortem-1b338537fabc

[@4lienat]

wow, and i've only just found this channel!

[@HerrMeier007]

What I think is great about this channel is that it really has an impact on the way people look at film. I live in Germany and since this video has been released, every single film podcast I listen to has talked about modern film music, based on your video! You change the people think about film. They now think about it more as an art than before! And this just awesome, to open people's eyes! Thank you!

[@LhunStargazer]

I've been listening to soundtracks for a long time, like 20 years and I couldn't understand why I haven't liked as many the last couple years. Thanks a lot, this is a brilliant, well redacted and very well elaborated analysis. And you restored my hope in soundtracks, really thanks a lot. Sorry for being 3 years late.

[@elmertjee]

Always on point man! I'm huge soundtrack fan, and I feel the same way. Marvel doesn't take chances with its scores, while soundtracks make 1/4 of a movie. (The exeption for me is Alan Silvestri's Avengers theme). Keep the videos coming man! You just became my favourite movie channel! What are your favourite soundtracks guys? Would love to hear them!

[@elmertjee]

My favourite soundtracks (albums) in non-specific order: 1. Lord of the Rings Trilogy 2. How to Train your Dragon 1&2 3. Kung Fu Panda 4. Batman Trilogy 5. Incredibles 6. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1&2 7. Inception 8. Game of Thrones 9. Transformers Movies 10. Finding Nemo 11. American Beauty 12. Madagascar 13. Good, Bad and the Ugly 14. Lion King 15. Sherlock Holmes (Series + movies) 16. Amelie I'm sure I missed a lot of them but these are the first ones to pop in to my head. Let me know your favourites :D

[@nz7677]

1. Hoffnung Am Ende Der Welt - Der Untergang 2. One Summer's Day - Spirited Away 3. Haiku - Finding Nemo 4. Define Dancing - Wall-E 5. Why so serious - The Dark Knight 6. Overture - Back To the Future 7. Sulley and Mike - Monsters Inc. 8. Moves Like an Ape, Looks Like a Man - Tarzan 9. Terminator 2 theme - Terminator 10. Married Life - Up As a whole album I would suggest The Last of Us.

[@jp3813]

Silvestri's Captain America theme is also very good.

[@elmertjee]

You're right. Also a great theme! It's more forgettable than the avengers theme though, but still great!

[@elmertjee]

I alway refer to movie scores as soundtracks, but you are right! There is a big difference, but I'm sure you know what I meant...

[@phoebewayng]

I can remember the Avenger's theme song but that's it

[@haventgotacam]

Except it's from Alan Silvestri, which explains why it's so memorable

[@JeddtheJedi]

Alan Silvestri composed both Captain America: The First Avenger and The Avengers. I fell completely in love with Captain America's theme. It's rousing, old-fashioned, dignified, and yet not cheesy. It was kind of a counterpoint, if not a complete contrast, with the Alan Menken Star-Spangled Man song.

[@Gemnist98]

Exactly

[@JamesWjRose]

"it makes the scene emotionally richer" - OH YES IT DOES. Very nicely shown.

[@matthall7359]

Bro single-handedly bullied a multibillion dollar company into putting in effort. Congrats y’all, I’m always in awe of this channel

[@sharkbaitmaster1052]

Lord of the Rings is probably the best example of using music during a film. Like holy shit I can still picture the moment when the Fellowship walks across the mountain with the main theme booming in the background.

[@jpb7558]

RIGHT! 😍😍😍😍💙💙💙💙💙

[@Ela.elizabeth]

You're right! It's not even out yet and I can already hum it after hearing it just a few times. It TOTALLY fits her - it's bad ass as hell, powerful, and it knows it. 💪🏻😂

[@danfelbm]

The ride of the rohirrim at the Pelennor fields... OMG...

[@minkrose]

To the point where, when I reread the books after seeing the movies, I heard every theme in my head, matched to the scenes / topic on the page. You can't NOT hear it, once you know it. And that's obvious to anyone who watches those movies even once, so it is kind of baffling that directors have ignored/forgotten that importance.

[@ShivavihS]

. ..every little motif from the series has a distinct melodic structure while still wandering not too far from the main theme. . .arguably the best score ever for a film. . and definitely the best score for an adventure movie, forget Indiana Jones. .this is how adventure movies should be scored

[@quietbeest]

I would've start singing Spider-Man (2002) theme if he had asked me that, off the top.

[@ServantOfPriss]

Or the X-Men theme (the one by John Ottman). But they aren't MCU films, so it works on their favor.

[@Proterragon]

X-gon give it to ya?

[@AimForMyHead81]

David Janjic That's a song, it wasn't created for deadpool.

[@Murilo5150]

Actually, the Avengers theme is pretty memorable, I would start singing that. But he still got a point.

[@VDOTU5]

If anyone asked me to hum music from every MCU movie other than Doctor Strange, Civil War and Age Of Ultron I got you! I'm in the minority who does not relate to this video much!😃

[@GilCAnjos]

If it counted also the TV series, you'd just need to whistle Daredevil's opening theme

[@hatakekyasarin9672]

i could never forget that intro... truly amazing

[@enthomorf]

u would be right. If the video would not telling about movies only

[@mrkstorm1]

John Paesano did a marvelous job on that one

[@homerpasha]

I have that theme as my ringtone

[@IamSamys]

Oh yeah. And Jessica Jones. And the Lonely Man theme. And the Spiderman theme from 2002.

[@jessiejukebox4183]

I am using this video for my school project about how music is differently used nowadays compared to the old days of Movies. I think this video was wonderfully made and well put. especially the twist at the end 11:30 where you made a really great point about marvels music playing it safe. great Job. and thank you.

[@JP_AZ]

Wow that Captain America scene was POWERFUL without the narrator!! The #1 theme that came to mind from memory was the Avengers theme (the one prominent at the climax of the first Avengers)...

[@bookwermofthefandoms]

Justin Burfitt yes, it really was. Wish they had used it...

[@josepholsen7450]

I've said it in a couple other comments, but it's very misleading. the emotional part (with the boy) is NOT shown the first time, but is the second. THAT is the emotional part of the scene and has no narration in the actual film, which is why this channel cuts before you see it to give you a false impression. this whole channel is about editing, so I'm not surprised they use editing to their advantage when talking about the aspect of film they clearly know nothing about.

[@sebastianwilliams6002]

Joseph Olsen We don't need narration. It's how you make effective filmmaking. Period.

[@josepholsen7450]

Star Wars Trilogies obviously we don't NEED narration, but there's no single right way to make a film. the dude is in a museum about himself at the smithsonian. those places always have narrations inside and it arguably helps to contextualize Caps emotions as he transitions from an icon of the past (the museum) to a symbol of the present (the kid seeing him in awe.) the biggest point I'm making, is that this video pretends the narration ruins the moment, but tries to do so by showing a moment that doesn't have narrations anyway! it's misleading and dishonest.

[@louisd1827]

@@josepholsen7450 the narration in these kinds of museums is always local, if present at all. Coming from a screen or a speaker near an exhibit. It would make sense if different snippets of narration were fading in and out of range as he walks past them, but not like this. And the edit wasn't about that last bit. All these people down here aren't talking about the little boy, but about the whole experience of him walking through the museum. There's even a debate to be had if this scene needs music at all. You are right. There is no one way to make a movie. Different choices in post-production make for a very different movie. And that is what's showcased here. The premise of the video is that a film score not being memorable is a bad thing and the video showed us a few ways and ideas how this could be alleviated. It's a well-made video :o

[@aidabaida6076]

The biggest problem isn't the temp tracking (even Star Wars was temp tracked), its the lack of continuity. How are we supposed to identify a theme with Iron Man when it changes every time??

[@strongwise1255]

titanic and inception's scores are amazing and iconic, both are stand alone movies

[@aidabaida6076]

Titanic became memorable because it's song was played on the radio NONSTOP in the 90s. Inception became memorable because it infected every trailer post 2010. Repetition.

[@Trophonix]

+Alda Balda They wouldn't have been put in the positions to be repeated constantly if they were bland and unoriginal.

[@aidabaida6076]

I think both Titanic and Inception are quite bland and unoriginal, it was the repetition that drove them into our heads.

[@PatrikWawrek]

exactly what i thought....you have new theme for every movie...and they are not classic movies like james bond or star wars....btw you have their theme songs on the beginning of the movie, in "intro credits"....same with harry potter, every movie started with that...for marvel movies? their themes are usually in the most epic scenes....avengers, antman, dr. strange....civil war....and then in credits......and that's why i can "sing" or "humm" or "whistle" those theme songs....they were so cool that i had to buy them via net and download them to my phone....avengers, ant-man, dr. strange, guardians of the galaxy....because i had them stucked in my head together with their scenes from the movies...i've read somewhere regarding theme to Star Wars: Rogue One....that it was awful and not original....and i think it is complete opposite...you can feel Star Wars from it, but it is not THAT famous star wars theme song....and i love soundtracks, that's maybe why i can name some of those themes....actually, ironman 2 is probably the only one i don't know.... btw one more example....iron-man 3 starts with eiffel 65 - blue...gotg had "hooked on the feeling", etc. ...the first scene where you can actually hear gotg theme is the prison break from Kyln....or actually that scene, when they are standing together as "a team" next to that control tower in prison....but whatever....i usually can't stop listening their score on youtube at least 2 weeks after movie came out :)

[@king_big_pp]

1 minute in and I already see the flaw. We've heard the same themes from Star Wars and James Bond for the past 40+ years. Marvel Studios has been around for less than 10, with each movie having a very different score. The analysis of why the scores are forgettable is great though. Great analysis.

[@swanpride]

Yeah, partly. And I will be totally honest here: I always have to pay attention that I don't confuse the Star Wars Theme with the Superman Theme and the Indiana Jones Themes...those are kind of similar....but that might be just me...

[@thetonnicbeats1556]

While i do agree that this video has flaws, you did forget to mention harry potter, which has been here since 2001. And i would argue that the Harry potter theme song is more well know then any other movies ever created.

[@NerevarineVivec]

Yeah Harry Potter is pretty iconic and is fairly new as well, age is not an excuse.

[@king_big_pp]

The Tonnic Beats True. But Harry Potter follows the same people in every film. Marvel mixes, matches, and plays with the ever expanding cast. The theme for Hulk won't be the same for Cap, and so on. The songs need to be riskier and be more unique, but I don't think they can be standardized in a Harry Potter model

[@NerevarineVivec]

Pirates of the Carribean also has a memorable soundtrack and is also newish.

[@tomerfeller9993]

I come back to this video 4 years after it was released and i watched it for the first time. Sadly, they still having a bit of those problems. But fortunately, their doing much better since then, starting with phase 3. Marvel started using recurring themes and getting the best composers for their films, especially Michael Giachino

[@fronkus123]

I found it funny how they all sang the Star Wars theme in different keys, but James Bond and Harry Potter were are the same.

[@KALIMAindia]

Came here after watching the new Infinity Wars trailer ;) The Avengers theme will rise again :D

[@kuchenteig4240]

KALIMAindia i have some bad news...

[@AZITHEMLGPRO]

stephen They only used the same ol avengers theme & black panthers motif. Tthattss alll😞 & don't get me started on homecomings shitty repetitive soundtrack

[@Joseph-no6sn]

How is it rising again the theme is exactly the same You still cant remember it off the top of your head

[@laurenbi]

Yeah lol the soundtrack in Infinity War was completely unremarkable.

[@matthewstafford7150]

The Avengers theme is the only one I could remember, because it's been used more than once.

[@TheJollyOutdoors]

I don't know if it's an original score but I quite often find myself humming "Driving with the top down" from the Iron Man soundtrack that's a gooden quite memorable.

[@Bourgit]

It's interesting to note that the composer who created Driving with the top down also did Pacific Rim's main theme. I find them both quite memorable

[@OddGuy]

I agree, that track was amazing. I like how they combined soundtrack-style with metal.

[@thefirstbourne149]

I think the only score I mostly remember from the MCU and want to listen to more often is the Iron Man theme song. I think it's the one that plays at the end of the credits.

[@thefirstbourne149]

Oh, wow...

[@ayaanpawar8681]

After infinity war and endgame, I get goosebumps every time I listen to the score. Marvel really stepped up their game.

[@eliasfigarzon9813]

Not really, just one theme that's been the same since 2012, the rest it's outter garbage in terms of ost.

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

@@eliasfigarzon9813 L

[@moe5020]

@@eliasfigarzon9813 Infinity war/Endgame also had Portals and Gamora's death theme. Aswell as that Civil War, Winter Soldier, GOTG all have great music. The reason none of them are memorable is because there is so much content coming out now that no one track that becomes widely recognized.

[@cringekiller348]

@Elias Figarzon Most MCU movies are great. Cope

[@jameslough6329]

@@eliasfigarzon9813 Yeah, but they do different, unique, bold variations to that theme. That “one theme” is on par with ANYTHING John Williams ever did. And I say that as a massive John Williams fan.

[@thekavestation]

I was hoping someone would start "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm hooked on a feeling"

[@LordTrilobite]

Yes, but that's not original music. Also Reservoir Dogs.

[@diegom-a7970]

ooga chaka ooga chaka :v

[@andortheman]

we are talking scores not soundtrack. Although GOTG had a great soundtrack.

[@chiopix2]

Tarantion's music choices are the best. That's why i bought the soundtrack from Pulp Fiction.

[@MaJuV]

That's the soundtrack, not the score. In the same case: Suicide Squad also has a great soundtrack, but a lackluster score. The new DCEU is using the same "safe" choices as Marvel does. The only exception to this is the new Wonder Woman theme... which is wonderful and everybody recognizes it the moment they hear it.

[@Blizzic]

It's just like triple a games Edit: I didn't really mean with the music, but more with how developers are making safe choices so that their games will sell rather than trying anything unique or inventive. But I guess the comment still stands with game music to an extent.

[@LazyScoutJace]

lol, good point.

[@JLucas_RS]

Assassin's Creed 2

[@DakotaRowehl]

Even Halo has derivative music now with 5.

[@The_Viktor_Reznov]

Excuse-fucking-you, Hans Zimmer's Crysis 2 and Modern Warfare 2 are beautiful.

[@mutantfreak48]

Meanwhile, in Hotline Miami...

[@TDK1939]

Avengers is the only one can hum off the top of my head.

[@TDK1939]

***** Lol I actually heard the score in my head when reading that

[@questworldmatrix]

Captain America March.

[@kristenmorrison8020]

Fcfff

[@OlleLindestad]

Yeah, the Avengers theme is very distinct. Iron Man 3 also has a pretty distinct main theme (played orchestrally throughout, and in a jazzy version for the ending credits), but it doesn't get a lot of attention, probably because that movie had such a mixed response. I liked Iron Man 3, and the soundtrack was one reason why. Really happy someone made a video about this, because it's a damn shame. Considering all the hugely talented people Marvel bring on to direct, produce and star in their movies, they could achieve great things with score if they didn't play it so safe. Especially considering how team-ups and crossovers are such a big part of the franchise. EDIT: Just realized I can also remember the Ant-Man theme from the top of my head despite having seen the movie only once. It's a fairly simplistic theme, but hey.

[@daniverse9625]

It's the only themes that's been used in more then one film, if you don't count that TDW Captain America theme joke.

[@roccoborghetti4693]

Literally the only themes the MCU has are the opening fanfare before the movies start, the Avengers theme (which was almost replaced in AoU), and “It’s Been a Long Long Time” by Kitty Kallen as Cap and Peggy’s “dance” song. There’s literally zero continuity with music in the MCU except these three pieces…

[@ObiWanSiaosi]

Well done guys! I think Marvel listened to you, as they played an epic orchestral version of the Avengers theme during the official Avengers Infinity War Trailer

[@MysteriousMrL]

I really don't understand how that can be attributed to this video specifically. Unless whoever cut the trailer was thinking, "Hey, let's prove that one KZbin video wrong by including the main theme from this series." In which case... well done? I guess?

[@KapitanBuggy605]

This video by Tony has been acknowledge by composer of Thor Ragnarok. It makes him actively trying to come out with a new, memorable score. So yes, this youtube video significance is greater than most people think.

[@MysteriousMrL]

That's awesome. I absolutely love Mark Mothersbaugh's score for Ragnarok. It was definitely different from the first two Thor scores, which I do think were pretty bland and forgettable. But.. I don't know what that has to do with the already existing (and from what I've seen, fairly well-recognized) Avengers theme being used in the trailer for the next Avengers movie and saying it's thanks to this video, which doesn't acknowledge the Avengers theme.

[@ObiWanSiaosi]

I might be confused with this video and HelloLilyTV's "The Avenger's Theme Video Response To Marvel's Symphonic Universe"

[@MysteriousMrL]

Ah, now that makes more sense.

[@andrejbachtin8281]

A video every three month is just torture. Pls make more videos

[@penname8441]

He needs money to make more vids, so if you have spare money, go support his patreon. I would, but I don't have money :(

[@ghosface353]

He used to have an average of a video every three weeks.

[@wizzerd229]

do you want to wait three months for a masterpeice or have a lot of duds?

[@bickyrib]

He makes 7k per video, you know.

[@andrejbachtin8281]

samturret did you also take half of the money away since you have to share ad revenue with Google? And don't forget tax.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

The main Avengers theme is the exception. That track gets you hyped.

[@JohnMainz]

1/20 movies

[@bookwormmaddy]

I can't think of it though

[@enfermagemdadepressao7108]

Yas! I'd remember, it's my alarm sound :)

[@khaleds1792]

after Infinity war i also liked 2 New themes The black panther entro one it gave me chills and also the Groot hammer scene

[@InexorableVideos]

john mainz 3/20 movies and that’s in the MCU. What about the cartoons too?

One of my favourite videos on YT. Don't know if it's a coincidence, but Marvel music definitely improved after this video.

[@swanpride]

Easily my least favourite video of this challenge. at least it created an interesting discussion, but the premise of this is already extremely flawed. The quality of a score is NOT based on how hummable it is.

I think the point here isn’t so much the quality but the consistency. Of course a soundtrack shouldn’t solely be criticized based on how hummable it is but the video is talking about the inconsistencies between movies of the same character and also throughout the MCU. You can’t connect the old music of the MCU to any characters or feelings, therefore decreasing its appreciability (don’t know if that’s even a word). I agree with you but I don’t think that’s the point the video was trying to make.

[@swanpride]

@ And that isn't a true statement at all, at least not for the MCU as a whole. There are specific themes which are connected to specific characters (Triumphant Return for Captain America, The Winter Soldier theme for Bucky when he looses his mind, The clang for Ironman), places (the Asgard theme, the Wakanda Theme), groups (The Avengers theme and the GotG theme) and situations. It is true to a degree that the consisty of the MCU could be better in places (see Ironman 3), but that wasn't even the argument here. The argument is that the use of tempt music is the reason...never mind that Star Wars uses tempt music, too.

[@godzelda123]

I'm that one nerd who can hum the Avengers Theme.

[@HollywoodLito]

You're not alone. :)

[@mitchellhand6636]

I can hum all the themes... so I think I am alone

[@DirtyVegasARTJ]

Not alone my friend.

[@TheSolidNinja1]

Same. The first Iron Man had a sweet theme as well.

[@kevinlobos5519]

No you are not, i was about to toss the screen downstairs when these people could not remember Avenger's theme song.

[@arielvinda6624]

11:23 "were not saying "this is the right choice here"...... my shiverings beg to differ

[@Nikolaos-Koemtzis]

One memorable soundtrack I remember from newer films: BRAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@pishwa]

Nicolas Pratt I didn’t realise pacific rim was MCU

[@Nikolaos-Koemtzis]

@@pishwa it's part of the secret wars 😛

[@KCMrecordings]

@@pishwa you didnt know that Stark industries helped build the Jaegers? Why do you think Gypsy kinda looks like him. Hulkbuster was a Jaeger prototype

[@mattcee6323]

Waaaaaahhhhumpppf - Hans Zimmer

[@katheldridge8080]

Thank you!! I had these thoughts in the back of my mind and I just assumed I was crazy for disliking the blandness of the Marvel film's music. Thank you for making this video, it's so inspiring!

[@geo4483]

that dad is cool af

[@MrSuperalan99]

Geo ‍ DOOM

[@MichaelPokeTeacher]

The poor kid tho. Just watch him!

[@XFanmarX]

Wow I find this video 2 years late. I've been saying this for a long time; I love the Marvel movies but I found they're missing key aspects that other huge franchises do have. Like iconic music. When I asked my friends to "hum/sing one Marvel song" they told me it was a bad argument because nobody cared about the music. But this easily shows that definitely isn't tue. Thank you for making this. I hear this channel is dead now but I'm still thankful for all the hard work.

[@connieallen6804]

I can very easily hum the main avengers theme, plus this probably doesn’t count but guardians soundtrack is what everyone remembers cause it’s so unique

[@connieallen6804]

smokefan4000 yeah but the director still had to choose that soundtrack which completely affects the way the movie is experienced and the emotions certain scenes evoke

[@kylefrank638]

I can literally hum any main theme from Phase 1 and 2, plus some character-specific tracks, and a bit of Phase 3's. I don't know why this guy and his interviewees don't get it.

[@maramba32]

Portals was memorable. Outdated video

[@beatricefalby6378]

@@connieallen6804 everyone remembers the guardians soundtrack bcz they're all real songs that people liked before the movie came out

[@fiish2334]

Then Wonder Woman's theme song just blows up anything Marvel has made.

[@venkatsrinivasan3714]

true

[@chinlessjimmy]

There's just something powerful about that theme that gives me instant chills. Some people hated on it after BvS saying it was out of place, but it was a risky theme, and I really believe it worked because it was so different and out there.

[@fiish2334]

+James Hartman It just perfectly fits in with her persona, being someone from a society of warrior women. The moment she lowered her shield after protecting Batman from Doomsday's blast, her facial expression (another thing DC has doing great at) gave a strong sense of hostility, as if she was about to devour prey, like a warrior should be like, and then the song just amplifies that emotion exponentially, therefore creating an amazing theme that kept me rocking out, singing it for weeks.

[@Dormul]

The best part of that theme is that they're using it in the Wonder Woman solo film. I love how they use it at the end of the trailer. Marvel could have done the same thing with Spider-Man. Set up his theme and Civil War and then use it in Spider-Man: Homecoming.

[@ProxyDoug]

I like that theme but I think it could have less cords and more metals. It sounded out of place on BvS because most scenes in that film came out awkward.

[@alonachiong666]

That ending is just the most adorable thing, so wholesome!!!

[@TheDevilsMouse]

Iron Man 3, The Avengers, Winter Soldier, and Civil War are ones that I can remember with more clarity than the rest. Winter Soldier and Civil War were to my small knowledge in this wide world fairly original. Whenever I heard the theme in Winter Soldier, I was like this man cannot be stopped. In Civil War, the horns helped carry done if those epic scenes.

[@houston-coley]

Exactly! The Cap and Avengers movies have fantastic scores.

[@TheDevilsMouse]

+HoustonProductions1 Yeah, and Iron Man 3, say what you will, it had theme music. Civil War had that song, Civil War (still gives me chills), and Winter Soldier had the song, Winter Soldier.

[@TimothySnowman]

Yeah, I love the Winter Soldier score. I was kinda bummed that Henry Jackman changed the main theme for Civil War. You can hear hints of the old one at times, but it's just not enough. Nothing beats the all -music scene of Bucky dragging Steve out of the Potomac.

[@whateverreally1347]

I like the first Thor's score too. Complemented the grandiose Shakespearean aspects well. The score for the first Captain America was corny as hell but fit the movie's no-irony, what you see is what you get approach perfectly.

[@whateverreally1347]

Agree completely. The musical choices when Captain America is fighting Spider-man are particularly ... odd

[@vanquish5023]

This just further proves that John Williams is a god amongst men. Everyone can hum his themes.

[@evooff]

Hans Zimmer as well.

[@Reilly5]

BWOA!

[@vanquish5023]

The superhero nerd I love Zimmer's scores as well but trying to argue that Williams' scores sound identical and Zimmer's don't is a bit ridiculous.

[@rihoang225]

+Evoo nah Han Zimmer is well known but it's not like people leave the theater humming his tunes

[@Owyn_Merrilin]

Hans Zimmer is the *problem* here. This entire video, without mentioning his name beyond a credit for a temp track, laid out exactly what's wrong with what he does.

[@drneko8679]

OMG the last guy was awesome

[@Armandoesstuff]

I'm far more impressed than I should be.

[@baka_ja_nai]

Same, he was beyond awesome.

[@aimeemariet]

I enjoy the "embarrassing" dad at the end of the end of this video so much, I am glad you have captured this perfect moment on video forever.

[@fsociety7276]

somebody send this to Marvel Studio's RIGHT NOW!!!

[@luke.hillis7634]

I'm sure they have seen it by now

[@AndYouGotALetter]

No, don't this video is bullshit. He says the theme from Star Wars, Harry, Potter and James Bond are memorable but those are the main themes. Then he complains about the scores from the Marvel movies but ignores their themes. Whatever agenda this guy has he's not accurate.

[@MarkNarukami]

+Hello There But even then, none of the songs made for each of the heroes of the Marvel films ever stand out, they're bland, boring and forgettable

[@AndYouGotALetter]

That's not true at all. It's just that you've heard the Superman march all your life and you don't care enough about music to listen to them outside of their movies. The Iron Man score is great, very fitting with the character. Thor's entire score is among the best of the MCU. Danny Elfman created a very memorable motif for the Avengers.

[@BrandonBlume]

Let's hear you hum those Marvel themes then. Don't go back to check to make sure what it is. If you're right and this video is bogus you should be able to hum it right off the top of your head. Just right now in your seat record yourself humming it and get back to us with it.