EFAP

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Pronunciation: Question & Joke 2:39 Spirit & Herculean Tasks 4:23 Opinions, Queue Problems & Cinemas 51:13 Cold Open: Scene I - Death Of A Daughter 52:38 Cold Open: Scene II - Oasis 1:07:53 Gorr 1:14:48 Cold Open: Scene III - Kill The God 1:11:17 Cursed Objects & Motivations 1:35:51 Act I Scene I: Opening 1:46:51 Act I Scene II - Saving The Temple 2:08:40 Act I Scene III - Jane Foster 2:21:28 Act I Scene IV - The Infinity Cancer 2:28:34 Act I Scene V - New Asgaard 2:24:06 Thumbnails 2:42:40 Act I Scene VI - The Play 2:46:30 Act I Scene VII - Mjölnir 2:50:05 Act I Scene VIII - The Goats 2:55:08 Act I Scene IX - Distress Signals (1) 2:58:11 Timeline 3:01:23 Act I Scene IX - Distress Signals (2) 3:06:28 Act I Scene X - Sif 3:14:08 Act II Scene I - Attack on Asgaard 3:18:51 Act II Scene II - The Mighty Thor 3:24:51 Act II Scene III - The Spell 3:37:29 Destroying Mythos 3:43:23 Act II Scene IV - Thor vs Gorr 3:51:28 Act II Scene V - Thor & Jane 3:59:26 Act II Scene VI- Asgaard Council 4:18:23 Act II Scene VII - The Floating Head 4:36:35 Act II Scene VIII - The Plan 4:53:35 Act II Scene IX - The Travel 5:08:03 Act II Scene X - Omnipotent City 5:10:51 Act II Scene XI - Gorr & The Kids 5:16:30 Act II Scene XII - Disguise 5:19:03 Act II Scene XIII - Zeus 5:31:58 Naked Thor 5:43:58 End EFAP Part I 5:45:28 Shad leaves 5:49:43 Animal Of The Day 5:50:18 Superchats (1) 5:51:34 Pokedex 5:53:50 Superchats (2) 5:54:37 What makes you cry? 5:58:49 Superchats (3) 6:31:12 The Last Of Us 6:37:43 Goodbye Metal 6:38:44 Superchats (4) 6:54:02 The Boys 7:00:25 Superchats (5) 7:05:17 Underrated Movies 7:10:40 Superchat (6) 7:11:28 Ragnarok Vs L&T 7:18:35 Superchats (7) 7:21:21 Plans for next week 7:22:23 Jay’s plans 7:24:21 Ending

[@detonator5816]

Holy crap you're fast

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Thank you for your services.

[@phillipcobb100]

I'm afraid you got the thumbnail conversation time wrong

[@ScooterDoge]

Thanks

[@lordcorporal4247]

Holy crap. This is gods work

[@Mawzy27]

"I don't have two hours to watch the actual movie, I'll just listen to this 7 hour review instead". - me, everytime this crew does a review

[@HeirofDacia]

Well, this is more entertaining than the movie itself. The unbridled cataclysm on Dr. Strange is one of the funniest videos ever, unlike the movie it is reviewing.

[@Choryrth]

@@HeirofDacia i walked out of multiverse of menstruation around the moment he gets captured in the illuminaty verse. was god awful.

[@ChaosLierLen]

Same. Similar. Likewise.

[@MilkT0ast]

I do the same, this is way more enjoyable than watching the actual movie. I can't even bring myself to pirate these later marvel movies

[@thesaltmerchant4564]

Well unlike Thor this is free and I can listen to it while at work so yeah that works for me

[@nont18411]

Marvel taught us that Wanda’s grief must be taken seriously because she lost her entire family, Vision and her fake kids AND IT WORKS. Fans around the world still considered her as a tragic misunderstood “hero” after she enslaved almost 4000 people and killed a lot of heroes. “They will never know what you sacrificed for them.” Meanwhile, Marvel also taught us that Thor losing his entire family, his home, his real eye, 75% of his population and his girlfriend is HILARIOUS. We should laugh at this guy for being “pathetic” and miserable. And his misery made him less worthy as a king than Valkyrie (who enslaved people for millennia) and less worthy of being Thor than Jane (to the point that Mjolnir reassembled for her but not for him with he needs it, like when fighting Thanos).

[@alexmelling5261]

Thor has been dissected like a 1 ton Sunfish, and left to rot

[@scottski02]

Between Valkyrie the barely-reformed slaver and Scarlett "I will enslave an entire town and sic a brainwashed Hulk on a city" Witch, is there even a question that women in the MCU can get away with absolutely anything?

[@spendsshanks6050]

Because he’s not a woman

[@Edax_Royeaux]

LOL, Thor's mother died.

[@TeomanDuruk]

Great points, more people should see this. As if the garbage writing wasn't bad enough, mcu has become truly disgusting.

[@eugenekrabs6400]

I loved when Zeus said “you cannot kill a god” and Gorr said “why not you stupid bastard?” And then Gorrbed all over him.

[@GamingGardeningAndLayingSiege]

It's gorrbin' time!

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

Ahahahaha both references bro

[@AimlessSavant]

I'm gunna gORB

[@brofist1959]

But how can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence! Shame on you, sweet Nerevar!

[@Brohemian_Fapsody]

@@brofist1959 welcome, moon and star

[@asepsisaficionado7376]

As of this movie it is official that Thor has lost literally everything. His mom, his dad, his friends, his home, his people, his token friend, his brother, his weight, and now, thanks to Jane stealing it from him, even his name.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

It's more apt to call him Fool, because that's how everyone treats him, anyway.

[@fr0ck360]

@@grandarkfang_1482 Clown*

[@Shockguey]

"his weight" 😏

[@sparkypack]

But isn't it funny? Let's do jokes 🤡🎪🎈!

[@TurboDonk]

Thor: "You took everything from me!" Lady Thor: "I don't even know who you are." Thor: "... Me neither."

[@prkr07]

Instead of "Infinity Cones", should have been "Stark Shawarma". You get your nostalgia, you keep the worldbuilding, and it's probably something Tony would have signed off on before Endgame.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Nah. Infinity Cones is funny.

[@erikwalsh1545]

Tony's shawarma sounds better and their slogan could be "take five" but infinity cones is funnier

[@alwaysabiggafish3305]

That sounds terrible from a humour perspective too

[@prkr07]

@@alwaysabiggafish3305 It's not meant to be funny, it's meant to make more sense

[@stevesamuals2651]

Or "Odin's sondaies."

[@Nightfall815]

MAULER: No one is ever going to cite CinemaSins as an inspiration! JAY: [sweating in silence]

[@TheOneAverageJoe]

I mean that was kinda more an anti inspiration. inspired by hatred lol

[@noank9175]

The joke about how we only know of four stages of cancer makes lots of sense when considering that the existence of this film is the first instance of stage five cancer.

[@jackcalkins4232]

Jeez what a sick burn

[@L337N1NJ4L1NK]

You know what is funny about Jane being handed her powers instead of being allowed to earn them? Portman also didn't earn her muscles, they were added in post. It is like poetry, it rhymes.

[@thoronbar]

Heh.

[@Сайтамен]

She made some really good workout. But they decided natural muscles weren't enough...

[@BaneOfV]

@@Сайтамен because she barely had any my guy.. she didn't work hard at all

[@BaneOfV]

@@Сайтамен this cast doesnt even know jack about marvel, the bare minimum a actor/actress can do here is at least fit the damn role they are making millions from

[@Сайтамен]

@@BaneOfV Yes she did, look up the photos.

[@RogueFox2185]

Imagine if Fat Thor never existed in Endgame and he was still the same way that he was during Infinity War, an arc of him overcoming his feelings of apathy towards living his life as a warrior with the Guardians helping him through it every step of the way would have been an amazing movie; it should just be about them working together as a team while on a journey across the galaxy to prevent Gorr from successfully completing his genocide of the Gods. No King Valkyrie or Zeus, Jane can still be here but she doesn’t get powers and it shows her in the final stages of her cancer; (due to the events of Thor: The Dark World) she and Thor would exchange words and it would basically be both of them tying up any loose ends left between them in a heartfelt goodbye scene as Jane passes on soon afterwards. Gorr should be more prominent in this film but he isn’t corrupted by the sword and he truly believes that he’s doing the right thing for the universe, with the threat he poses well established it would take everything that Thor and the Guardians have to defeat him. Also keep out Eternity since that whole wish plot point breaks the universe even further.

[@nont18411]

Not to mention that Endgame established that Valkyrie is more worthy of the throne than Thor Only to show that she is so bored at her job in this movie so…why is she more worthy than him again? (Also, her sending countless slaves to their death for drinking money was never being called out AT ALL)

[@VVEGA2940]

@@nont18411 nooo, we can't hold her to account for her actions, even when she's sucking off the director. that'd be racist. and the disney company, who was founded by Walt Disney, and despite everything they did to john boyega, especially in IX, wouldn't want us to be racism now, would they? 😑

[@Shockguey]

"Jane can still be here" No. Beta Ray Bill. I CANNOT BELIEVE we got Shethor, before, Beta Ray Bill.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@Shockguey Put Jane _and_ Beta Ray Bill.

[@rockinHurley777]

@@grandarkfang_1482 just bill

[@alcolow8621]

So in the previous Thor films, Hopkins' character made it a point to get Thor to understand that his powers do not come from the hammer 'are you Thor, god of hammers ?' but now she gets the hammer and is suddenly imbued with Thor's powers and becomes Thor too... ?

[@ritenac6770]

It’s going by the logic of the first film. He enchanted Mjolnir with ‘if they’re worthy they shall posses the power of Thor’. It’s technically separate in that Odin has provided the power with his magic. So if you can lift it Mjolnir will channel that magic into you, though for some reason this film decided that this will literally make you Thor rather than just strong

[@Alex_Fahey]

@@ritenac6770 Except, as the following MCU movies established, the hammer doesn't actually have any Thor powers outside of Thor. The hammer is just training wheels attached on the bike of Thor. All it provides is its enchanted traits of massive weight to "unworthy" hands and the directable flight of the hammer. Captain America didn't gain Thor's armor, godly strength, and lightning bolt throwing powers on top of the super soldier serum when he wielded it despite being worthy enough to do so. It was just a hammer and all he managed to do was call down lightning once (which could have been intentionally provided by Thor and not Cap). It's just so ridiculously inconsistent. It'd be nice if they just stuck with one version. Is Thor actually just a regular Joe and Mjolnir is a magical artifact giving supreme power to the wielder? Is Thor a normal asgardian with a natural talent for lightning magic and a cool hammer? Is Thor some kind of divine being who can grant GodMode onto others by snapping his fingers? Just pick one and stick with it please.

[@rockinHurley777]

Odin...

[@voicingdragoon7]

her getting the powers is established since the first Thor movie, her getting his name is the fucked up part

[@calumbarry1829]

@@Alex_Fahey The lightning bolt was definitely Cap in Endgame, he's clearly gesturing Mjolnir into the air when it happens. It makes sense that Mjolnir has lightning abilities imbued within it given that it was made for Thor, it was a way of chanelling those powers until Ragnarok where he learned to use them without it.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

"Thor Four is a movie about space children for Thunder Vikings." Gorrbus Gumbleton.

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

"Thor Four: Thor is Sore is a movie about alien cancer Vikings for the cognitively-impaired." -Gorrbo Thorbaggins

[@habelu6267]

Thor four is a movie I haven't even watched ~ Bimbo Gorbins

[@Dragonage2ftw]

???

[@UltimateAgent25]

@@Dragonage2ftw Ever heard of jokes.

[@megaultradamn]

​@@UltimateAgent25@Dragonage2ftw hasn't even heard of 'critical thinking skills', let alone humor.

[@jcore0981]

I genuinely appreciate pre-Ragnarok Thor every movie Thor's in now. He's just a fucking cartoon character now. Aside from Infinity War which felt like a return to that original character he's a joke. I used to call him boring or uninteresting but man he really did have a solid character. He went from a spoiled uncaring prince to a man who realizes he has an immense power that can be used to harm and must learn to be humble. That conversation he had with Coulsin in Avengers about how he and Loki are essentially destroying everything in their path. He used to chalk it up to war and now it's something that can be avoided. It's just such a great character resolution from his arc in Thor.

[@sparkypack]

I know what's gonna happen. Thor will actually become Kevin from Ghostbusters 2016. So basically, Ghostbusters 2016 will be a Thor sequel.

[@stevenmark4407]

Nah I liked him in Ragnarok

[@jcore0981]

@@stevenmark4407 He's fine but alot of the problems do stem from that. Alot of scenes of essentially embarrassing Thor. Him talking like a dude-bro. Him acting like an idiot. It's just alot less.

[@SolarDragon007]

Yeah Ragnarok fucked Thor beyond all belief. Thor acts like a buffoon in a movie where his father dies, his friends die, his hammer is destroyed, his eye is ripped out and his home of a thousand years goes up in flames. Waititi can piss off.

[@kevinnigins9488]

@@jcore0981 him talking like a dude bro was to convince banner to help him. Which worked

[@paultorrisi4992]

I know age of ultron gets a lot of shit, and rightfully so, but it's one of my favorite movies for Thor, especially as a character that gets played for laughs, one of my favorite jokes being when Natasha asks him for his opinion on Hulk's performance and he says how Hel is filled with the screams of the vanquished, but then sees Banners reactions and tries to recover by saying it's screams of pulled hamstrings. I know it's not great but it's a compliment Thor would give to someone he respects, but when he sees he upset Banner, he has the emotional intelligence to try and correct for it. Idk, I like Thor in most of the avengers movies

[@zachrohler1047]

Taika watiti or what ever really just wants to make the big badass that is thor into the butt of every joke

[@SolarDragon007]

Yes that's one of the few jokes from Age of Ultron I actually liked. That's how you use Thor for levity AND have him act in character. Waititi turned him into an utter buffoon in Ragnarok and completely abandoned Thor's serious side.

[@calebland6246]

My favorite joke from that movie is when everyone is trying to lift the hammer and failing and Thor is laughing. Then when Steve tries to lift it it budges a bit and Thor gets more serious. Small, but that’s the kind of thing I prefer.

[@SolarDragon007]

@@calebland6246 Yeah that was also great. The MCU is incapable of subtle/non-character breaking humor these days it seems.

[@ihearvoices8881]

I really like AoU because of Hawkeye but even otherwise I don't think it's that bad.

[@RogueFox2185]

“If Thor: Raganrok was Batman Forever, then Love and Thunder would be Batman & Robin.” -Midnight’s Edge

[@redman9493]

And I would rather watch those two Batman movies over any of the Thor movies, but that's just me.

[@chiefamongsinners16]

Sounds like a good selling point

[@benjaminolive1366]

But Batman & Robin has Arnie! And ice puns! And is funny!

[@samwallaceart288]

_Batman and Robin_ is a masterpiece and you know it. Take it back!

[@carabe197]

More like Love and Thunder is Ghostbusters 2016, with hours of jokes and idiot Chris in both movies.

[@nont18411]

Making fun of “Infinity Cones” and how half of Asgardian is always dead are like making fun about the holocaust to Jews. Imagine Taika added this to a script of Jojo Rabbit.

[@annatardlordofderps9181]

Like say the epilogue had the protagonist open a jewelry store called "The Glass Chambers" across the street from a synagogue.

[@chromicm6686]

@@annatardlordofderps9181 Oy vey! Shut it down!

[@dodojesus4529]

@@annatardlordofderps9181 or a sauna called "Au'schwitz".

[@JohnDoe-yk3ji]

Krista, that gave me a chub. Thanks.

[@calumbarry1829]

@@dodojesus4529 a tailor called Adolf Fitler.

[@MatecaCorp]

I have no plans to ever see this movie, and learning of that disgusting scene where Thor is exposed against his will and humiliated for having emotions other than “funny” and “angry” solidified that determination. The vile misandry in that scene is completely disgraceful, especially in this day and age.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

LOL, Thor's mother is dead.

[@calumbarry1829]

When I saw it in the trailer I immediately thought "wait how tf did this fly?" obviously they care way less if it's a man but they at least kinda try to hide it.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

Christian Bale was phenomenal in it. Worth it for him honestly.

[@ryszardsikora6894]

I think the reason the naked Thor was allowed to fly is, well first it's a man, which will desensitise many people and second, Chris Hemsworth wanted to do it which may have caused the people responsible for it to not consider the in universe implications

[@Edax_Royeaux]

​@@ryszardsikora6894 Chris Hemsworth said he didn't want to take his shirt off anymore in the Thor movies to the director, why would he want to go full naked?

[@johncra8982]

So at the outset of the film you have a God that's beginning to get jaded and not give a fuck bc he's unfulfilled. And you have a villain that wants to kill Gods, bc he believes they don't give a fuck. And these two threads are never intertwined or synthesized into anything meaningful. But hey, at least we got screaming goats.

[@chasehedges6775]

Just depressing

[@chasehedges6775]

THIS!💯💯💯

[@majomajo1835]

I am really curious what the stakes of the next MCU film/series will be. We've gone from killing half the universe, to breaking the concept of time, to having the potential to destroy all of the multiverses and now they found a magical wish device which could do anything. So what's coming next?!

[@sparkypack]

hmm.. I don't know.. maybe something that involves earth.

[@ritenac6770]

Something with zombies probably

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

Someone finds a way to force everyone to subscribe to Disney+?

[@calumbarry1829]

I don't think there actually is a way in concept to beat Multiverse of Madness. Maybe if you go full on imaginary fantasy fight between children with Infinity +1 universes.

[@mryellow6918]

What stakes exist when if the universe is truly in danger you can just go get an army of gods, and then grant everyone on your side the power of thor.

[@sapheiron]

Does anyone remember that one joke with the pug from Mitchell vs Machines or with the chicken from Moana? The one that goes: "This animal was bred wrong and is incapable of surviving. Its existence is suffering and we affront nature by keeping it alive. Isn't that funny?" That's Thor now. Thor is my third example of that joke.

[@wwyd4akb]

"Pay no attention to Wimp Lo, we purposely trained him wrong... as a joke." -Master Tang

[@thesapphireone]

At least Hei Hei and Monchi were genuinely funny animal sidekicks who got to contribute to the story, but poor Thor from Endgame onwards, went from a humble, courageous, confident, intelligent king, into a bumbling, egotistical, annoyingly overly talkative and jokey manchild, with all his dignity stripped away from him!

[@scottk1525]

*THE EFAP DRINKING GAME* Take a shot every time: 1) Somebody says "to be fair" 2) Fringy says "naaauughhhh" 3) Rags has to pee 4) Metal laughs at his own joke 5) Rags paraphrases a point MauLer made seconds prior 6) MauLer says "and you're/I'm like... kay" 7) Shad says "it's such crap" 8) Rags makes a long-winded list (usually ends in "aaaand dat-dadat-dadaa") 9) Jay says "Rags" with sass (ie: "shut up, *RAGS* ") 10) Jay Mentions cum 11) MauLer says "umm.... wot?!" 12) Somebody interrupts somebody else (this could be a drinking game on its own) Have fun. See you in the ER!

[@poopmadnessfan]

For #6, MauLer also says "and it's just like... Oh..." a lot

[@Vario69]

Just whenever Shad is saying "..right?" Would have me shitfaced

[@scottk1525]

@@Vario69 so true

[@samwallaceart288]

Thor: "I love you." Jane: "Well that's just great. You reappear after all these years, the kids are kidnapped, and I'm dying..." Thor: "Jane... You're not dying." Jane (shakes head): "No, I just got back from the doctor. I _definitely_ have breast cancer." Thor: (look of mild inconvenience)

[@henkilepsilon6396]

The simple fact I had to read most of this before I realized you weren’t quoting the movie is either a serious condemnation of Marvel’s writing talent, or a serious commendation of how far ahead of its time Tommy Wiseau’s writing was.

[@samwallaceart288]

@@henkilepsilon6396 I'm still of the opinion that Lisa has a strong through-line. She met Johnny when he was just an adventurous waiter who's new in town, but then to her surprise Johnny got a good job as a banker and ended up being just the type of boring traditional husband that she was trying to avoid ending up with. So she stirs things up with his friend to rebel and get adventure back in her life. People meme about the movie's execution but the through-line is there and it's unironically more interesting than most marvel movies nowadays.

[@getthegoons]

@@samwallaceart288 you're in too deep. You're at risk of becoming a Wiseau. Pull up while you still can

[@casbyness]

Captain America: "There's only one God, Gorr. And I'm prety sure, he can't be killed by a sword."

[@chasehedges6775]

THIS!

[@gottesurteil3201]

That's hilarious.

[@carlosalejandro4053]

For Gor's motivation, you had universe altering just years ago (MCU timeline) - The Thanos snap (and/or Iron Man unsnap) 1) The Thanos snap wiped out Gor's god, but his worshipers never knew why their god was missing for years and then returns. The returned god is now afraid because he finds out that with just a snap he was wiped out of existence. And quits helping with worshipers as he just hordes his wealth, life, and powers for himself. Gor finds him and god explains that there are other gods in the universe (which Gor may not even be aware of) and the god has found the 'God-Killer' sword to protect himself. Gor kills him because his god is weak and afraid and seeks to find a new god worthy (bring back his daughter) and the sword convinces him that none are. or 2) There was a war between the gods after Thanos snap (or Iron Man unsnap) and the war spilled over into their worshipers who bear the brunt of this war of gods.

[@joshgamingvlogs5203]

Imagine a random person on the Internet coming up with a better plot that ties everything together than a $250 million movie production

[@flatbread42]

My brother is the ultimate normi, makes fun of me for critiquing movies the way we do as a community, and he came home saying “that wasn’t very good, idk what it is, but it felt like something was missing”

[@rockinHurley777]

Sounds like my friend who keeps saying he wants to see this movie... they just don't get it.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

@@rockinHurley777 I wish I had a friend...

[@rockinHurley777]

@@ProjectRedfoot poor guy lol

[@SweetandFullofGrace]

normies come to their "senses" with some delay

[@gottesurteil3201]

Vindication will come sooner or later my massives.

[@chefschmixer]

The entire concept Jane Foster becoming Thor using Mjolnir is actual nonsense. In the MCU, Mjolnir is shown to be a powerful weapon and the CONDUIT of Thor's, and as shown in Ragnarok NOT THE SOURCE. The whole point of Ragnarok is that Thor's powers are his and he doesn't need Mjolnir to use them. HOWEVER in this movie Mjolnir can somehow give people powers. This completely contradicts Ragnarok in every way possible.

[@ritenac6770]

The becoming Thor part is stupid, but the giving powers part is sort of in line with previous films. Going back to the first Thor film Odin did put the enchantment of ‘if they’re worthy shall possess the power of Thor’ and in Endgame Steve did use some lightning whilst wielding Mjolnir. This shouldn’t mean they become as strong as Thor (since Steve didn’t either) and definitely shouldn’t just be made the new him. But gaining some powers isn’t a complete contradiction

[@michaelplowman8674]

Taika will ruin even his own mythos is a minute, baby.

[@NG_v1]

I thought Endgame already ruined that? Didn't Cap throw Lightning in Endgame when wielding Mjolnir or am I off my rocker

[@rockinHurley777]

@@NG_v1 no he did. But like the hammer says, "if he be worthy, shall possess the power of thor" 🤷‍♂️

[@auo2365]

Marvel movies stopped making sense a long time ago

[@Wuoffan1]

I think a way to greatly improve Gorr's character would be, after first using the sword, to instead have him say: "So this is my vow, all 'false' gods will die." We add nuance to his motivation similar to what was done with Thanos who went from wanting to wipe out all life simply out of a love of death in the comics to a (misguided) effort to keep life from destroying itself due to overpopulation and conflict for finite resources. Gorr now makes it his mission to free the universe from these "false" gods who prey on weaker people to prevent any others from suffering the way he and his people did. To add to this, I'd have at least one planet where he killed their god be shown as notably better off for it, similar to how Thanos claims Gamora's planet is a "paradise" after his purge of her people. And have Gorr show some hesitance/inner conflict after seeing Thor put himself in danger to save his people on Earth. This would be alien behavior to Gorr who has a negative view of gods in general and would add some significance to when he says: "You are not like the other gods I've killed." This added condition of killing "false" gods would also coincide with what Odin says to Loki in The Dark World: "We are not gods. We are born, we live, we die, just as humans do."

[@loooptylooops7067]

God damnit this is such a good idea that it makes the movie look even worse, Gorr was so easy to make into a good villain that could have potentially been on the level of thanos in terms of writing but unfortunately they didn't give a shit to make him anything more than just passable

[@Dragonspirit223]

Yes but you see: To have this happen they need to care and stop laughing at their own dumb jokes

[@williamisenhower7967]

"Infinity Cones" is like opening a tanning salon called Holocaust Tanning and they call the tanning beds ovens instead.

[@AstartesEz8]

Is Love and Thunder peak "I CLAPPED!"? Everything that happens in this movie sounds like it's pulled from asking focus groups what makes em laugh and clap in theaters

[@DarthTellor]

I don't know. That would demand me to actually watch this crap. Anyone who actually 👉THINKS👈 can be bothered to even watch any of the MCU anymore?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

What focus group said "I have Cancer" makes them laugh?

[@AstartesEz8]

@@Edax_Royeaux that's where Taika's "I know what they really want" subversion comes in

[@highlordxeleth]

@@AstartesEz8 And it shows indeed. That idiot clearly cut content and scenes that were fairly important plot-wise, and more serious... all for the sake of putting more jokes everywhere in the movie. You can feel it, more serious it gets, almost all through the movie that's were the editing gets the worse (recurring theme in this EFAP). So it really seems to be like he cut off serious scenes for the sake of jokes.

[@christopherjones5446]

The reviewer from the Seattle Times said that this wasn’t a movie, it was content. People are finally seeing the light.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

In Phase 4 they introduce something in every movie that destroys the franchise. They constantly one-up the previous movie, and do it so incompetently that they invalidate what came before. The same thing is happening with Star Wars. Even if it is a prequel they need to increase the spectacle without any consideration how that shatters previous world-building. Then they enter the retcon phase where they try to retroactively fix their mistakes, creating five new ones for every one they "fix" (which is usually not accurate either). This is modern Disney. Proof that inclusivity, diversity, and agenda are not a replacement for skill.

[@thejemstone9219]

For some reason, it's always gotta be "It's the end of the world, it's gonna blow up and only YOU [Main Character] can stop it." Ms Marvel, Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Dr Strange, Shang-Chi, they all have some Earth Ending threat to prevent. Only really Hawkeye has a properly scaled threat, an assassin with a vengeance working for Kingpin. And She-Hulk, dare I say, has the right idea of a threat, it's scaled good enough (SO FAR), as garbage as that that show is. How can the Avengers top Moon Knight stopping Ammut from reaping countless souls, or Dr Strange preventing the destruction of infinite multiverses? They can't. What, some robot wants to drop a city out of the sky? Pppffttt, Ms Marvel had to stop a universe from colliding with ours in her first appearance

[@DukeBluedevil70]

I wonder if the way they produce these movies has changed in some way in phase 4. In previous phases, even in movies that you might not like, like Iron Man 3 for example, they at least seemed somewhat internally consistent, like they wrote a script and shot it and released a movie. This movie, and Doctor Strange 2, feel like a fucking mess, like they just shot random shit for 2 years and stapled it together, and had a bunch of different versions of the movie that they mixed together but ultimately got the worst possible version of every part. I mean these last two Marvel movies have been catastrophically bad even if you take them in isolation and not just in the context of the rest of the MCU. It’s honestly fascinating.

[@dolomaticus1180]

If the rumors are true, the version of Dr.Strange 2 that made it to the screen actually is BETTER than the first complete cut. Apparently the Execs noticed that there was almost no Strange in his own movie, panicked and filmed more scenes to actually get more of him in there. This really smacks that the higher ups are just letting people do whatever they want, then scramble when the eventual vomit hits their desks.

[@johncra8982]

I vaguely remember hearing about lots of films getting moved around and the release slate getting shifted around over and over due to the pandemic. Imo the real issue must have been that they had no clear roadmap for what they were going to do after endgame, bc Disney probably wanted to use the MCU to get as many people as possible onto Disney plus asap. That lack of a roadmap probably just became a bigger and bigger vortex of compounding problems once the pandemic started, and given Disney's political obsessions, the people left in the company to steer the ship through that vortex were probably diversity replacements that had been brought in after the talented people who helped feige build the infinity saga (well, minus endgame) had been shown the door. Just a cavalcade of issues putting a billion different stresses on a release slate that had no clear narrative thrust from its very outset bc it was meant to throw shit at the wall of Disney plus for a couple years to see what would stick, bc after they wrapped with Thanos, they were probably confident that they had accumulated enough goodwill to spare for trying out some experiments with Disney plus before people started to sour on the brand. Then the pandemic hit and they just didn't have anything in the pipeline that was prepared to handle that kind of crisis situation.

[@gottesurteil3201]

The people who had a plan and had given effort to maintain consistency all jumped ship after Endgame. We are not looking anymore at the product of those who engineered the MCU as we remember it.

[@jacobodell5231]

More and more, it seems like the MCU movies are less stories and more just a list of scenes the director wants without any care of how they weave those scenes together.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Regensburg Cathedral took 240 years to build. The reason it looks like an asymmetrical mess is that each successive architect that took over the project didn't want to do what his previous predecessor wanted out of ego. Instead of sticking to the master plan, each architect wanted their own vision imprinted on the building, each generation trying to out do the others. And of course the result is the the front façade of Regensburg Cathedral looks so damn inconsistent. It's the same thing with these film franchises, nobody wants to stick to a master plan.

[@Borti_Ovi]

Now I’m curious about something. If movies continue to devolve, would a movie about jingling keys be a box office hit in the far future?

[@dark_fire_ice]

Well, one of the first was just a train approaching the camera

[@Borti_Ovi]

@@dark_fire_ice So does that mean we’re gonna go full circle? Once Jingling Keys becomes a box-office hit, the movie industry can then go nowhere but up once again!…Oh Cr@*cicles, that means we must make the industry plummet even faster to get to that point!

[@dark_fire_ice]

@@Borti_Ovi it's just the current state of the cycle; terrible new movies don't diminish the old good ones (there are far more terrible movies than decent ones.)

[@johncra8982]

If you said the keys were nonbinary, the studio would buy their own tickets to launder the film's box office to a 9 digit gross

[@ProjectRedfoot]

What kind of keys are they?

[@HisNameWasCrazy]

The most I've ever cried (by far) at a piece of media was in Squid Game when a certain adorable old man lost at marbles. I was seriously affected by this as I'd grown a very strong attachment to the character, not least cos aspects of him reminded me of a close family member who had died the year before. I knew his death was surely coming at some point, and that only made it all the more soul crushing when it became time for the adorable old man to go, I had never cried like that to a piece of media ever. So, I was soooo, so very glad when in the final episode the show decided to make me feel like a huge fucking asshole and a fool who wasted his tears on the most evil fucking character in the show, one of the most cruel, manipulative and unsympathetic characters I've ever seen in a piece of fiction. Thanks, Squid Game! (yes, I'm still mad about it)

[@disappointedoptimist255]

Yeah I didn't like that twist either

[@oscargruber8582]

I generally never cry, usually because of both shyness and because I don't really get invested into movies/series (like I know it's fiction and all), but that scene really got me crying. The entire Marble Game was performed and made so well, how people are forced to betray their most trusting friends or they just gave up and want to give the adversary a chance to win. Like also later the man who played against his wife is completely devastated, you can imagine the situation. So yeah, That scene and episode was fantastic. But the ending twist was weird.

[@horushyperion76]

LMAO

[@Cellidor]

Yeah that twist was absolutely horrid. "Haha, you idiot, what were you thinking, feeling sympathy for a senile old man, don't you know they're _evil?_ Bet you didn't see that twist coming, you fool"

[@doemacmonkey]

More than willing to be corrected, but wasn’t Heracles the original Greek version of the myth, and when the Romans “appropriated” the mythology, they named him Hercules?

[@larryfish9272]

You are indeed correct sir. They kinda just absorbed him into their own mythology after conquering Greece and Macedonia.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Technically it was before they conquered Greece. Roman nobility were the ancient version of weebs.

[@aberu6435]

Like Mercury and Hermes...

[@doemacmonkey]

@@aberu6435 like most of them - Aphrodite/Venus, Zeus/Jupiter, Poseidon/Neptune, Aries/Mars etc. - same gods, different names

[@aberu6435]

@@doemacmonkey Yep, I did a book report on Greek Mythology by Edith Hamilton when I was in junior high, and yes I did get my lunch money stolen from me.

[@redtintedglasses3529]

Tattoo scene idea: Thor has been cold and distant to Jane throughout the movie so far, while she has been boisterously adopting the character of old Thor- loud and brash and eager for battle. She's coping with her illness through escapism essentially, and hoping to regain a sense of control in situations where normally she hasn't had any- in this case, superheroic fights. They've just finished a battle, but Thor's been wounded by the Necro-sword. He's fading in and out of consciousness. Valkyrie, being an experienced warrior, has gone into medic mode and orders Jane to grab various supplies as she rips off Thor's shirt to get at the wound. That's when Jane gets a look at all the tattoos for all the people Thor has lost. It finally sinks in how much this isn't a game and how Thor has suffered. Being a god doesn't change that. Valkyrie again barks for the medical supplies, snapping Jane out of the reverie. She hands Valkyrie the ointment. As soon as it is applied, Thor snaps back, howling in pain. "Easy, easy," Valkyrie says as Thor gets a hold of himself. He sees Jane looking at him differently. "What?" He asks. "Nothing," she replies, and looks away, uncomfortable after all that's just been dropped on her. Then Thor starts to put together what happened and looks back at her. We can see the wheels turning in his head. If you really need to put in a joke, you could instead have Thor use humor to push Jane away, like have him say "Like what you see?" Referring to his bare chest. Or something stupid. It would obviously be a deflection from the situation, and it wouldn't be my first choice, but if you have to...

[@hk1371]

To add to that pretty good scene you wrote, maybe have the joke be pushed to when the two talk about Thors grief as well as Jane's. Have the serious talk where they hash things out and then, to return us to that levity and to show a sign of healing in both, have the "like what you saw" joke.

[@wilder11]

I like it. But it requires Valkyrie to have a brain and a heart - and it requires Jane to have an actual arc. So it would never fly. XD

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Wow... this must be a bad movie if MauLer can't even use a poster for the movie and uses Internet Historian instead.

[@redskared8093]

Its funny that most people now just associate that face with Internet Historian instead of the Harold meme. Appropriate I guess, since its a decade old meme.

[@TheKpa11]

@@redskared8093 Harold meme?

[@redskared8093]

@@TheKpa11 Hide the pain Harold

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@TheKpa11 Hide the pain Harold. He now does commercials. He's a Hungarian just like Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi.

[@calumbarry1829]

@@Edax_Royeaux crazy how you remembered the spelling of that name completely off the top of your head.

[@SacClass650]

A fatuous, self-aware, postmodern, absurd mess. And on a similar note to Rags' sentiment of it feeling personal, it felt existential to me.

[@Butiguessilovememore]

They're destroying our franchises 🤮

[@Dragonage2ftw]

You don’t know what Post-Modernism is.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

@A 1 No, no they aren’t, neckbeard.

[@Butiguessilovememore]

@@Dragonage2ftw nice b8 m8 r8 8/8

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@Dragonage2ftw I don't think you do.

[@MrOrcshaman]

I wonder how Chris Hemsworth justifies to his kid how their dad went from being a badass superhero, to a bumbling, emasculated idiot..

[@TheKpa11]

Chris Hemsworth’s justification to his kid: This is why you have nice things Kid: ……………………. *hugs* Chris Hensworth: *Smiles and laughs it off as he hugs his kid*

[@jonsimpson6240]

@@TheKpa11 that's fair. Feels a bit like a mom justifying being a prostitute. But that's fair.

[@johncra8982]

With lots and lots of money

[@astrocytes]

I'm thinking something between 'When you commit, you commit, even if it stops being fun,' and 'You don't always get to do what you want,' 🤷‍♀️

[@surreal9239]

His kid liked Superman more than Thor, right? lmao. And that was before this.

[@phr00tpie]

Better New Asgard shop pun: Photograph shop called 'Thanos Snaps" with a poster in the window "Family Portraits 50% off"

[@zacharyfrey3264]

Imagine the face on a person who never heard of Jojo Rabbit, but watched Love & Thunder and you told them that the same director made a movie about the Holocaust.

[@Biggiiful]

To be fair, Spielberg directed both Schindler's List....and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...

[@Vario69]

​@@Biggiifulat least they didn't have Infinity Cones in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Gotta love that Thor was entirely ruined by this film; a man who's lived for over 1500 years on and off the battlefield, given an education fit for a Warrior King, is reduced to a bumbling, belligerent buffoon that can't even talk his way out of a simple pathetic accusation from his ex-girlfriend or redirect his incredibly brash and stupid 'friends' into doing something smart. And we can't forget him getting stripped naked and humiliated by his hero (who's just another belligerent dumbass that hates logic and loves eating babies) in front an audience of the "most powerful" creatures in existence (where the fuck were you all when Thanos was mucking around), as well as his ex and two "friends." Thanks, Taika and Kevin! I hate it!

[@Lancaster1517]

Over 1500 years*

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@Lancaster1517 _that's even worse._

[@Lancaster1517]

@@grandarkfang_1482 That’s why I made the correction

[@SpartyCubsFan]

And has to listen to the insufferable Natalie PortPerson

[@alexhayden219]

But Party Thor is Best Thor! The Watcher said so!

[@samwallaceart288]

5:07:00 ish, you guys SKIP something here. After she says she had cancer, Thor actually takes it seriously and tries to give her words of encouragement. And remembers how she helped him get his powers back because she gave him someone else to care about and fight for. It sticks out as being the _only_ good scene in the whole movie and it actually stays sincere for a moment there. *... And then it ended...*

[@webbmerriam6984]

4:32:00 I'm pretty sure the point of the whole "Astrid" v "Axl" thing is meant to be that "Axl" isn't actually Heimdal's son, but rather his daughter, Astrid who is now trans and going by Axl. The confusion isn't helped by the fact that "he" is played by a male actor, but the whole "the name is Axl, now listen to him" line from Korg feels very much like the "just use the pronouns, bigot" wokescolding we get in the States. Edit: Upon looking it up, I think I am correct since Tiaka is apparently getting flack for having a joke about Thor "dead-naming," so yeah. Considering the unimportance of Valkyrie's bi-ness, I get the feeling that the whole Axl thing is also just a bunch of literal virtue-signaling given it takes up so much time while not affecting the plot in any way.

[@Red-zh7vq]

The alphabet mafia 🤮

[@wanderer953]

Even if we were to assume Astrid/Axl isn't trans, it's still pretty clear that was the thought they were trying to convey

[@Klickor]

As someone from a Nordic country I thought it was weird he was called Astrid. If I identified as a boy and had a father give me a girl name I don't care if it's the badass Heimdall who gave it to me. I wouldn't want the name that is mostly associated with an old woman writer who wrote children books. If it's just them fucking up Nordic names or the person in question is trans I don't know but I was in agreement with Axl. Much better name than Astrid.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Even if that wasn't the case it just seems out of place and serves no better purpose to the story. There is no payoff to this name change.

[@blueguygaming1330]

Literally just got in the car coming out from the theater, your timing is impeccable, Longman

[@TheSlammurai]

I imagine you wanted to drive off a bridge on the way home after watching it.

[@Jose_Doe]

Why are you still giving them money? At least pirate the shit

[@wwyd4akb]

@@Jose_Doe I won't even pirate it, it's a waste of internet.

[@blueguygaming1330]

@@Jose_Doe I didn’t, my parents paid and I saw it w them lol

[@isaackane4931]

So the Thor movie that's there to force in- I mean, introduce the latest and greatest Strong Whamon Character is also the one that belittles, tears down and mocks Thor the most out of any other movie he's been in? Boy, what a coincidence, huh? It's almost like these people just can't help themselves. I'm disappointed that at no point the line, "Unsolicited opinions on Israel," isn't uttered at any part though. Seems like something Korg could shout or something. Would've made the movie an easy 10/10. Though I will say it's hilarious that Fem-Thor's abilities are the most on the nose version of, "She's just given this power," by her literally just being given the power. And by accident too. Zero merit, zero effort, zero right.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

Unironically movie would have killed me from laughter if the censored Borr dialogue was in this movie.

[@HolyApplebutter]

I mean, at least she dies at the end.

[@wwyd4akb]

this whole recurring theme of "women can only beat men when they are inexplicably granted power and the men/man in question are at their absolute worst" is beginning to read as unintentionally based.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@wwyd4akb I mean what else is Disney saying by literally having their women lose every fair fight against a man

[@nont18411]

If Jane Foster is worthy of Mjolnir, then Tony Stark should’ve been worthy as well but we all know he’s not and never will be.

[@stevenmark4407]

Tony should not have been worthy he should never be. Well he’s dead. Jane has done jackshit while Tony as dune so much wrong. Tho he’s also does some much right but it doesn’t balance enough to make him worthy.

[@nont18411]

@@stevenmark4407 Thor also has done so much wrong. That’s the point of his first movie. He used his power recklessly (like Tony) for centuries so Odin wanted to teach him a lesson.

[@SeaOfPixels]

I thought it was that it wasn't because she was worthy it was that she was only able to wield it because of Thor's unintentional enchantment.

[@rayvonvelez3129]

@@SeaOfPixels that's an assumption. Thor never confirmed he enchanted it, he just tells it to protect her. But if it was supposed to protect her, why didn't it fix itself before and come to her?

[@SeaOfPixels]

@@rayvonvelez3129 Because her cancer developed since the enchantment, so the hammer called for her.

[@ronryan3210]

You know what is an amazing depiction of the character Thor? The cartoon Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. He has his funny moments but what you truly get is the sense of an extremely powerful being that wants to protect the planet. The show has its issues but it does an amazing job at writing the characters well and I suggest anyone who likes Marvel to check it out. They even do Captain Marvel well.

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

Captain Mar Vell. And Miss Marvel. But they are both portrayed in a much better way then the live action trash

[@ronryan3210]

@@yetanotherspuart3993 I meant that it's Carol Danvers and it's done so much better but yes you are correct

[@SolarDragon007]

Oh man that show was so damn good. It's such a travesty that it got cancelled.

[@Arko777777]

I loved Avengers: EMH. It's so dissapointing that it got canceled.

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

Shes Ms Marvel on that show which is true Carol and not whatever the fuck modern marvel tries with her.

[@samwallaceart288]

Marvel officially hates the idea of people being heroes. That's 6 things in a row now (with the blessed reprieve that was NWH) where the person who's in charge of setting things right is berated and made a laughing stock for presuming to make a difference. Doctor Strange isn't a hero, he's a diva who has to "hold the knife". SWORD guy isn't law enforcement doing his job, he's evil because he was rude to Rambeau in a meeting that one time. Now here, Thor can't win no matter what he does. When he does the reasonable thing and (gasp) _asks the congregation for help,_ he's laughed at as having a hero-crush and swiftly humiliated, while the women immediately deciding to assault and rob the guy for his weapon because he said the word "orgy" is treated like a lol random relatable joke. But then when Thor shows up to battle because (gasp) _they asked him to and he does what they ask,_ everyone hates his guts because he's "a showoff," while reckless child endangerment is a lol wacky kid-power moment. Consistently now, this media has done nothing but tell any viewer unlucky enough to be male that all you can do is shut your food-hole and _beg_ for the villain to just ... change their mind. Yknow. The demographic most prone to self-destructive ideation and self-termination. By far. Even _Steven_ fucking _Universe_ was less anti-dignity, anti-agency, anti-human than this. Pissoff, Disney. This is the type of messaging that actually harms people. Respectfully, a depressed male who already has enough self-sabotaging attitudes to choke a donkey. "People can be better. I want to make people believe that they can be better." -- Jack Kirby

[@samwallaceart288]

@Hiddel Subbeldees That's what they think they're doing, but in the process heroism in general is treated as undesirable. It's disturbing in a deeper level than just gender politics

[@TheEldritchGoth]

It’s weird to me how Sif has continued to live despite the other three having been completely thrown to the side. She could’ve been a good impactful death in this film to build Patrick Bateman’s presence as a villain

[@SolarDragon007]

The Warriors Three dying the way they did in Ragnarok was a slap in the face

[@caseyhudson4929]

@@SolarDragon007 Especially Korg's recap of those events.

[@socialjihad5724]

No, funny

[@chasehedges6775]

@@SolarDragon007 indeed.

[@anaccountforcommenting6651]

Did they forget Stormbreaker and Mjolnir were easily dual wielded in Endgame without any jealousy BS?

[@slanderman92]

there’s a really simple reason why the hammer didn’t reassemble for Thor before this movie; it got melted by the time police every time it tried. And after a while, it just kinda forgot about him. Great writing if you ask me

[@legoverse1412]

Endgame: Thor is going on an arc to recover mentally after everything he lost. He needs to reconcile with his loss to overcome his depression, and the Guardians will be important in that arc. Love and Thunder: COME AND GET YOUR LOVE!

[@jotun.616]

As im rewatching a very obvious thought occurs to me. Marvel, fiege specifically, got cocky is all. They thought, going into phase four, that they had the formula. That we had been eating the sludge, but they didnt realize we were eating the bits of true vision that were there, and spitting out the sludge. Mostly the markus/mcfeely/russo vision, but also branaugh, johnston, favreau, and whedon. They underestimated what those writers and directors did. They thought it was the sludge formula that made them, but it was the individual visions, working from continuity, that made them. What are the most praised of the franchise? ALL markus/mcfeely/russo creations. The russos said it themselves. Marvel has no plan. It was THEIR plan that brought us through phase three. Now that fiege has brought in nothing but woke rookie writers and directors they have nothing but the sludge, and theyll soon realize it takes more than that to keep even general audiences interested.

[@paulsoldner9500]

One thing you have to realize about Valkyrie - she's an alcoholic slave trader who never had a redemption arc. She was given rulership of Asgaard by Thor for (reasons not availible). This is all consistent with her character. She's an unfeeling, inhumane POS.

[@magicrectangleEnt]

I just realized they kinda had a perfect setup for the "Thor leads army of Thor-kids into battle" scene: the pieces of exploded Mjolnir, and the "whoever holds the hammer of Thor" line, that sounds like perfect magical loophole material.

[@qaztim11]

I can't wait for the next efaps examining all of the defenders of this movie. Digibro, now known as Trixie the golden witch/yigg studio made an hour long video saying that the drinker is lying about having watched the movie because they came away from it with vastly different experiences, not to mentioning all of the -ists and -phobes in that vapid ""critique"".

[@redman9493]

Oh, I remember Digibro. Just another lame anime KZbinr trying to grab that woke audience because his channel sucks so much.

[@sparkypack]

MovieBob gave it an 8/10 burgers 🍔

[@darkpuppetlordful]

Digibro is the last person I thought I'd see mentioned in an EFAP comment section. Dudes a disgusting pseudo-pedo

[@Alex_Fahey]

@@sparkypack MovieBob would never give away that many burgers.

[@rockinHurley777]

Oh I would love the drinker to rip them apart.

[@Brandon_Powell]

1:25:18 Fun fact. In the comics, the Necrosword is actually a symbiote. Specifically the first symbiote.

[@morlath4767]

A retcon I'm still unsure of. You saw the potential for it in the first introduction of the Necrosword, but I really can't stand Knull.

[@liongus]

Valkyrie: "We can steal Zeus' lightning bolt, just snatch it from him, what can he do?" Odin, the Allfather God: "If i speak to this hammer literally nobody but whomever i decide can lift it" God powers are fun when there is no level scale to think about

[@gottesurteil3201]

Yeah they are fortunate it isn't one of those weapons that would instantly vaporize you if you aren't strong enough to wield it. That said I'm intrigued by the thought of Valkyrie getting vaporized...

[@dark_fire_ice]

Man, between Rocket's interactions between Yandu and Thor, his arch was shaping up so good; just constantly viewing his own vices and he was actually acknowledging them

[@jasonpratt5126]

"So, this is what a film written by a sociopath feels like." -- Marvel Phase 4 motto

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯💯 Acurrate

[@karlheber23]

Jane Foster's book should have had a blank page with dotted lines indicating where you can cut it out, with instructions of where to stab a pencil through for maximal concept comprehension.

[@oberonvortigern4138]

What a waste of Lady Sif’s character. It’s been YEARS since we last saw her with Thor. She’s the last of Thor’s original asgardian friends. You would think she would join the team, explain where’s she’s been since Ragnarok, and have more weight than just a cameo. They even had her in her original comic armor smh. I hate how she’s been used for minor roles in Agents of Shield, Loki, and now this movie. Jaime Alexander is a great actress wasted on this goofy ass film. I feel bad for all comic book fans of this character.

[@chasehedges6775]

Same. Jaimie Alexander deserves better than this.

[@tylermckinney2041]

2:20:40 There should have been a specific page to tear out with folding and hole punching instructions like in a 3rd graders workbook.

[@wayland972]

The irony is, even though Taika didn't want Gorr to look like Voldemort, my wife still turned to me during the shadow realm comet scene and said, "He looks an awful lot like Voldemort". Nicely done, lads, mission accomplished. 👏

[@nickbueno9678]

2:32:19 having this store exist would be like a store called “Mein Kepf bakery and pizza” opening in Jerusalem in 1950. Or “Osama-Bin-Having-a-few bar and grill” in midtown Manhattan in 2003.

[@yung_wise5861]

Remember when Vision picked up Mjornir and everyone was in awe? That was nice

[@calebland6246]

I might laugh at “I have cancer” because it would make me think of The Room.

[@edgarallenpo8330]

"It literally showed a scene where Thor said if he could never protect her that it should. Meaning Thor can grant the abilities of Thor to others, like I'm the scene when he granted it to like 30 kids" -some guy Me: "so i guess no super hero can be unique anymore if they can all just give thier powers to anyone."

[@SpicyBicycle]

Somebody in a writers room somewhere said "jealous axe girlfriend" and ruined half the plot.

[@yusiuc5533]

This whole movie can be summed up as Jeremy Clarkson's meme "Oh no, anyway ~ The Movie".

[@darkraiking680]

To answer Shad’s question about cancer from someone who works in the genetic field, Cancer is caused essentially when cells become unregulated. Most often, no one gene can cause this, but mutations that build up in a persons life can lead up to it. Some cancers are sporadic, but some are familial. BRCA1 and BRCA2 are the two most well known cancer marker genes that come to mind, and those can be inherited. So in essence, some parts of cancer can be inherited, but it’s a roll of the dice and lifestyle that will really determine if one gets the cancer.

[@0Sutekinaryuu0]

Speaking at the end there of the Boys season 3, I was thoroughly frustrated all the way through. The finale was especially embarrassing. Virtually no-one acted like they valued their own lives or had any sense of self-preservation lol A lot of people practically asked to be killed by the dumb stuff they said and did while other characters survived things they just flat out shouldn’t - particularly Maeve & A-train. Just too much nonsense to overlook..

[@lordjimbo2]

Boys was always a train wreck of narrative loopholes and "message" propaganda but edgelords loved season 1 because of the violence and Homelander. Once the shock value wore off people began to notice how bad it was.

[@alexhayden219]

@@lordjimbo2 Did they? Maybe our lot, but I'm seeing an awful lot of praise for this season.

[@lordjimbo2]

@@alexhayden219 Depends on whether the "praise" megaphone translates into views. "Boys" is up 17% from season 2, which saw roughly 891 million minutes watched by this time after release, so that puts them around 1.05 billion minutes in season 3. For perspective, "Lucifer" on Netflix had 1.4 billion minutes watched by this time in 2020, FatWS had 855 million and "Cobra Kai" had 2.1 billion, and only one of those can be considered truly game-changing television. "Boys" is a safe bet for Amazon - it's got a great floor due to the hardcore following among liberal and libertine college educated whites - but that floor is also pretty much the ceiling. The big growth was from season 1 to season 2 (234% increase); while they've locked in those gains, the lack of Cobra-Kai or GoT-style year-over-year growth suggests that they've gotten to saturation.

[@matthewmuir8884]

"No one acted like they valued their own lives or had any sense of self-preservation" to be fair, some of them them didn't; Butcher and Maeve being the biggest examples in that regard. Butcher even took a fifth dose of temp-V in preparation for the fight despite knowing that it would certainly kill him.

[@larryfish9272]

One day Feige is gonna look back on the mess of destroyed characters and overcomplicated plots and say "we shoulda stopped at Endgame."

[@brofist1959]

No he isn't, he's going to look back and say "wow, how many millions do I have again? Oh yeah."

[@larryfish9272]

@@brofist1959 yeah I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part

[@ProjectRedfoot]

More like, "I could have done more. I could have done *so much more."*

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@regonik indeed. Endgame was bad

[@KK95_Ph]

The best Thor movie was Avengers: Infinity War, nothing happened after that, the villain won, the end.

[@chrissedaka8141]

Avatar adds so much to comment.

[@jbbrolic]

I tried to watch Endgame but after about 30 minutes and various instances of female characters getting deeply offended by innocuous statements and all the characters suddenly being despicable narcissists decided "nah, Infinity War was a good end, Thanos won" and shut it off.

[@ironfistovwudang3485]

@@jbbrolic I did the same thing, although I never had any patience for time travel as a plot device, so as soon as it got to that I turned it off immediately. To this day I've never seen it to it's conclusion as everything about it just serves to undo and tarnish the masterclass that was Infinity War, it's absolutely baffling how they have wanted to stifle the MCU ever since that movie. Truly was a prelude of things to come.

[@chasehedges6775]

Infinity War was the TRUE ending to the MCU

[@MarkyMark845]

The Simpsons reference you were looking for was the Join the Navy gag about subliminal, liminal & super -liminal.

[@dark_fire_ice]

Endgame kill Thor and replaced him with Homer Odinson. I barely remember Thor 1 & 2, but I'm pretty sure Thor wasn't depicted as a passive person; Robert Baratheon was the only way to Thor becoming a loser, crushed by guilt, pain, and responsibility, so he overindulged as a cope

[@CaptainTitforce]

Jake Odinson

[@dark_fire_ice]

@@CaptainTitforce Jake, from Statefarm, has more dignity than Homer Odinson

[@Leotheleprachaun]

He was literally banished for seeking out war within the first 15 minutes of the first one. He had to learn to be more passive.

[@dark_fire_ice]

@@Leotheleprachaun there's a huge difference between; don't seek violence as your first action, and don't make any decisions. And that arc was already done, in the last Thor movie

[@Leotheleprachaun]

@@dark_fire_ice you said you barely remembered the first two and said he was portrayed as a passive person. To which the first 15 minutes of the first Thor movie tell you that he's not and has to learn how to be passive/pensive. I was merely informing you because you said you barely remember them.

[@shamboholic]

I’m astounded that it takes approximately 10 minutes for the crew to alight upon the perfect reason for the expediency of Gor’s turn in a single scene, have him kill a “pretender” God and then realize it was actually God. It’s like how I’d wish a studio would for once just crib an idea straight from an RLM digression and see how it turns out, it shows exactly how much the studios have sucked all creativity from the writing room by hiring bad teams, giving them impossible mandates, spreading them across countless projects and tie-ins, and being incredibly risk averse. Keep doing what you’re doing EFAP, I can only hope this encourages other people to think and talk this way about their culture and just maybe produce some of it as a result.

[@azh698]

@MooLer To dispel any confusion, Heracles is the original Greek name of the mythological character. Hercules is the Latin name for the same character, as is the difference between Zeus and Jupiter (same character/ god) Artemis and Diana, Ares and Mars, etc.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Heracles is just Gilgamesh but cringe.

[@Kwistoweeish]

54:32 “Surprise mechanics” 🤣 I’m borrowing this. Also, this perfectly describes the nuns at the end of The Sound of Music.

[@mrshmuga9]

You can thank good ol’ EA for that one, lol. Dumb lootboxes.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

I don't think they thought the, "I have cancer." line was supposed to be a joke. I think it's more like laughing at someone cutting someone off to blurt out, "I have AIDS." Even if it was supposed to be dramatic. I could be wrong though. I laughed out loud when Jay told the story so...

[@kyon813]

*I have AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDSSSSSS

[@xenon8117]

1:12:15 There’s an Elcor bouncer on Omega in ME2 and one in the embassy in ME3.

[@predatorasap5040]

Here is the script for Thor love and thunder : *Do a funny*

[@The-Yellow-Man]

Imagine this alternative story. Gore is contacted by the sword while being strangled. The sword tells him it can give him vengeance, but he has to do something in return. Gore is conflicted but ultimately gives in when the sword uses his daughters death as motivation. Gorr proceeds to nearby spaceport to begin his quest. Gorr runs across the Guardians and Thor, who the sword immediately marks as a god. Gorr follows, and prepares to kill his target when he sees Thor and the guardians save some innocent lives. This conflicts Gorr, who makes brief contact with Thor but spares him. Gorr is punished by the sword, having some of his control stripped away and he’s forced to go hunt some Greek gods who he brutally murders. Thor is actually contacted by Zeus, and the Guardians strangely volunteer to watch his back as he travels to the city of gods. Here Zeus explains about the Sword being on the loose, having found it’s champion. Thor is on the trail of the sword, and ultimately faces Gorr down in their second encounter. Thor is badly beaten, and saved when the Guardians intervene, however several members are badly injured, perhaps one even dies. This forces them to bow out, but not before getting an injured Thor to earth where we are introduced to Jane Foster again. Thor tries to contact Zeus, and discovers Gorr already made it to the city and slaughtered hundreds of gods before the rest escaped across the many universes. Gorr is now heading to earth to destroy the asgardians, growing more and more corrupted by the sword while his inner conflict grows. Thor is still too injured, and though some of his allies such as Valkyrie, Korg, the warriors three, all make valiant attempts to hold Gorr off. In desperation, Jane Foster puts herself between Gorr and some Asgard children. Right as he’s about to kill her, the fragments of Mjolnir reform and rush to her hand transforming her into Mighty Thor. She fights off Gorr before losing her strength, having been utterly drained from the experience. She then dies from the immense strain on her body. This pushes Thor into a dark place, fully serious and removed from any comedy. Gorr returns to the city of the gods, where Zeus throne acts as a bridge to Eternity. Gorr is waiting for Thor to meet him there. In a moment of self control and lucidity, Gorr reflects on his violence, on how far this has all gone. The two share a somber moment before Gorr acknowledges there is no going back. Eternity will let him destroy all gods, and only if he destroys all gods will the sword give him his daughter. But it takes blood to open the gate. Thor and Gorr battle for real now, both at their peak in a fight that shakes the whole City of Gods. Through their battle, both shed so much blood that they inadvertently open the gate of eternity. Thor let’s his guard down to plead to Gorrs sense of right, and is seriously injured. Both get tackled through the gate. You are left with a mystery about the wishes made. It’s an abstract, vague experience and when the dust settles, Gorr has been freed of the blade, and Thor is healed. Gorr dies, but not before expressing thanks to Thor for giving him the strength to do what was right in the end. For showing him not all gods were evil. He could die happy because his only love would live on. Thor is confused, but relieved at the resolution. Then as he is leaving, he receives a sudden communication from the Guardians…..who claim a strange, white skinned alien girl just showed up on their ship…..which had been transported to a very real, and very thriving Asgard….. Roll credits.

[@christopherkelley1664]

Taika Waititi was seriously born Taika David Cohen. Lol, every time.

[@apocryphicdeath]

Yep, the only people in the world that unironically pull their privilege card on every other human race. They want to destroy everyone's culture. While the West just allows it to happen.

[@christopherkelley1664]

Whoever replied to this you are shadowbanned, I can't see what you said and never received a notification.

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@christopherkelley1664 Yeah... I know... I didn't curse or even use a single proper noun, and I still get censored. lmfao

[@christopherkelley1664]

@@apocryphicdeath Keep up the good work, whatever you're doing.

[@alexhayden219]

Wait... why is Korg with the Guardians with Thor? Who said that was part of the deal? It's a smallish ship. Peter originally lived on it by himself. They can maybe take Thor onboard. They don't have room for Thor's asshole friends. Korg wasn't there at the end of Endgame. Why the hell is he invited onboard?

[@thejemstone9219]

Maybe he sleeps in a storage closet? Like Groot in the game

[@SideBurns]

This is my vow, All Gods must The - Metal Gorrmander

[@bijibadness]

Infinity Conez. hilarious. I would've gone with a convenience store chain called 9-7-Eleven in New Asgard myself, but hey. I'm no Taika. (Oscar Winner! Best Adapted Screenplay 2019!)

[@sanjicook08]

Can someone please speak to fringy about interrupting other people and disrupting the flow of the conversation? I feel as though the last few efaps I've seen people talked over one another repeatedly...

[@SpartyCubsFan]

Going to encourage all to support and check out Eric July’s Rippaverse. Worth a look and possibly supporting a new comic book creator who doesn’t hate his audience, and has pledged “no multiverses!”

[@VideaVice25]

1- Infinity Conez 🍦 2 - Camp Hitler, weight-loss center. 🏋️‍♀️ 3 - Pizza Mussolini 🍕

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

4- Stalin's Bakery, fresh bread daily.

[@EmberBright2077]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 5 - The Vinyl Solution, a record store

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@EmberBright2077 your store has a conspicuous lack of Jewish artists

[@Leotheleprachaun]

​@@EmberBright2077 6 - nice little breakfast place: LuftWaffles

[@ThefinalLPer]

The craziest thing to me is, I hate Fat Thor, but the moment he summons Mjolner and declares “I’m still worthy!” is a great scene. So much about how he was (in endgame) was built for that scene. I figured that seeing Mjolner literally pick someone else should have DESTROYED him.

[@petriew2018]

Thor just had the same character arc for the 5th time... that about sums up everything you actually need to know about this movie The same damn arc as every other movie he's been in.....

[@kenXtripleI]

He's the MCU most inconsistent character

[@chasehedges6775]

@@kenXtripleI He really is.

[@justacatwithasadface2692]

First EFAP to come back to after a long while, feels like coming back to a group of childhood friends. Just wanna say thank you for continuing what you do, my massives

[@Glahntheman]

My dad watched the trailer to this film and thought it was a parody, pretty much sums it up

[@manoz6194]

Infinity cones is even more hilarious when you know the "H" didn't happen

[@murmur9994]

I feel like Disney just sort of vaguely gestures at plots instead of actually writing them these days. Like, I can see the pitch this movie was supposed to be about: "A man loses everything, and swears vengeance on the cruel and capricious gods. A dark power grants his request, but states that it will cost him his life in the process. He accepts. Our god hero figure, previously developed as liking and protecting mortals, himself in love with one, struggles with loss, The human struggles with mortality. They are made aware of the threat coming for all the gods. They set out on a quest together, where they encounter other gods who confirm the godbutcher's statement that most gods don't care, and are in fact cowards. In spite of this realization, the heroes still struggle against the godbutcher. The human bravely faces the fate that even the gods cannot change, her mortality, and earns a hero's death. The god shows he actually cares about mortals. This convinces the godbutcher not to be destructive as his final act. It is that human connection, that love, that convinces the godbutcher to not be destructive in his final act." Gotcha. Nice thematic Arc. Except they do none of the legwork, don't take it seriously, and basically expect the audience to fill in the blanks where actual character development and thought should go. They don't establish Gorr beyond a paper thin motivation, they just state that the sword is corrupting him, they don't explore anything about Jane's feelings on mortality beyond 10 seconds of conversation. They don't bother dwelling on anything about what the existence and attitude of this multitude of gods might mean. It's all just slapped together, and writers and execs are expecting the audience's own knowledge of clichés and tropes to fill in the plot holes and omissions. This isn't even touching on what this could possibly mean for the shared cinematic universe that is still supposed to exist, where the introduction of all these new elements just blows previous canon out of the water. I find it really annoying, because I think there is a way this story, a meditation on mortality and immortality, could have worked, but they needed to spend way less time on nonsense action scenes and more time actually trying to give the characters motivations.

[@thoronbar]

That pitch is too coherent. They have a list of five cool ideas they need in a movie, and give them to the director who always wanted to tell his story, but could never get a green light. He cramps the cool ideas into his story and bada bing, bada boom, you've got a pile of shit.

[@jaybonn5973]

the part that took me put of it was the drafted children fighting shadow monsters and the whole scene is played like a fun joke.

[@miep3934]

Hiding two DVDs is so devious you might say it was DVDevious

[@emuman09]

I liked Ragnarok but disagree with rags that it knew when to be solemn and when to joke. Asgardians are watching serta destroy Asgard it's a serious scene and Korg makes a shitty joke

[@rockinHurley777]

Sutur *

[@SpartyCubsFan]

Korg, I.e. Taika, sucks.

[@spendsshanks6050]

Facts

[@emuman09]

@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 I'd say you just described love and thunder but Ragnarok does have sincere moments like with Odin's death

[@gottesurteil3201]

I know what scene you are talking about, but the joke is only treated like one in a meta sense. Korg was not trying to make a joke at the expense of the Asgardians suffering but rather he was reacting to a situation he had made awkward because he didn't expect Asgard to explode.