EFAP - The Expanded Universe - The Not So Great Debate

This is the third of the Expanded Universe of the EFAP lore.
In this instalment, we revisit an old debate, a classic.
Wolf and MauLer debate the merits of The Last Jedi and talk about debate itself. We learn to love and love about learning, on this epic, celestial journey.

[@EveryFrameAPause]

This version of the debate has had a bunch of edits and longer pauses shaved out for your pleasure ;) - Enjoy a blast from the past.

[@dusky5535]

MooLer Thank you blessed Longman!

[@mrrselfdestruction1077]

Shouldn't it be the longer orginal version tho either way thanks.

[@jamesknighton4489]

This is how you don't debate someone on something that is undefendable

[@DustinOffAClassic]

Would it be inappropriate to ask about Wolf? Is he doing okay?

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

Ribbed for your pleasure

[@redclover2833]

Mauler: *_Steady, logical assessment of opponent's position_* Wolf: *_Aggressive debunking of opposition's points_* Rags in chat: "Gonna Cry?"

[@Newby1]

I need a timestamp of rags saying that becuase it sounds like him

[@dusky5535]

Tehnewby 1 He didn’t say that but your right it is something Rags would say XD

[@butthz8850]

He does end up crying.

[@robertf3606]

@@butthz8850 I felt so bad the first time I heard this debate. It's hard to listen to

[@darthkaithebold5151]

"You are so right" -Kyle Ben

[@urbanberndtsson]

"He was using his lightsaber defensively!" "Against Kylo in his sleep?" Top kek

[@halowars400762]

“Why wouldn’t you shoot at a target that can runaway when it’s stationary first?!” “Arrogance” *wolf’s very audible sigh*

[@generaljeanmoreau6853]

does he even know what arrogance is?

[@jroggs85]

Another couple of things to note is that literally the first line from the First Order in this scene is Captain Peavey saying, "We've caught them in the middle of their evacuation!" They know the Resistance has been prepping to leave. Also, this is directly after the destruction of Starkiller, which was (in theory, at least) a major setback for the FO's galactic domination. There is every reason to blow up the fleet first, blow up the base second, and be arrogant never. (If I was going to steelman the guy, I'd mention the tracker. But even that angle isn't developed by the film. TLJ is shit.)

[@tuffy1992]

The Last Jedi will always hold a special place in my heart, if not just for introducing me to Mauler, Wolf, Rags, and EFAP.

[@danjohnson1568]

Same, all my friends for some reason loved the movie. I thought I was going crazy but then I found Maulers channel along with wolf and rags. Been efapping ever since.

[@tuffy1992]

I was fortunate to run across someone who recommended Mauler's 6-hour TLJ review, which was funny because when he did he warned us about the length and suggesting our attention spans weren't good enough to last through it. I proved him wrong, and now suddenly I'm addicted to seeing films getting torn apart from a critical standpoint, even if I genuinely liked it.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Matt Lothe I was introduced to E;R because of how much a piece shit movie The Last Jedi really is.

[@86BarbOmega]

Wolf's video on TLJ was the first one I watched :( it was straight from his wolfy heart.

[@alduinthetyrant5225]

Same.

[@Mega2chan]

Luke swung defensively while trying to kill his nephew in his sleep is an actual line in this debate

[@Soridan]

I too sneak up defensively on young boys to preemptively murder them. Don't kinkshame me.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

He also said that Luke had "gained wisdom and perspective with age." He doesn't mention how Luke wanting to kill his nephew fits into that.

[@krieghart5515]

Yeah, a great part about storytelling is TELLING THE STORY.

[@demon2441]

Well. Kylo might have woke up and grabbed his lightsaber to defend himself. If you are going for the killing blow, you can't leave things up to chance. Luke is/was a Jedi master after all not an amateur.

[@Troll_vs.]

And he said he retracted the saber and he didnt as i beileve the room was lit purely from lukes light saber or am i misremembering

[@84C4]

"He didn't shoot them because he was arrogant. Also, he didn't shoot them because he thought he would miss". Yeah, arrogant people always underestimate their own ability...

[@josh7827]

Guys. Luke was about to lose his nephew. So naturally, he had no choice but to kill his nephew.

[@capthavic]

Well what do you expect, he's old! Why do you think we keep old people in special homes, to prevent them from going on murder sprees obviously.

[@TyrDrum]

It's because he was a... BOI!

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I can't wait to get old so I can turn into a psychopath. You know . . . gain some perspective.

[@blkdrgn8687]

That scene shows Luke having the realization that 'dis ez baaaadd! no kil nephoo!' as Ben is looking at him like 'why you try kil meh unco?' LOL

[@josh7827]

@You tuber you just described Luke's thinking in your first paragraph and then end your paragraph with "apparently people know precisely what Luke is thinking." I don't know what Luke was thinking but I do know contradictions when I see them. In all the examples you gave, there was an immediate threat to either Luke or those he loves. Please explain the immediate threat that his sleeping nephew, Ben Solo, posed to Luke or "everyone else."

[@Zach0451]

I've never seen someone confuse themselves with their own argument. He could have just beaten himself in a stream all alone.

[@mpw26]

I feel like if this guy was arguing against himself he would still somehow loose, this guy's tisms bend the laws of reality

[@Dactaraad]

I’m confused just listening to him.

[@Courier_6]

He came across as incredibly weak, unprepared and not assured of his own position. All made perfectly evident with his waffling.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

This. Every time he contradicts himself and suddenly realizes what he did, it's like watching someone hit themselves in the balls with a mallet and then think, "what the hell just happened?" This might be the first time in his life that he's EVER thought critically about anything.

[@ahooman3970]

It reminds me of that one battle that was caused by an army misunderstanding itself and fighting a retreating battle against their own soldiers

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

This guy is on the same wavelength as the Disney writers. They all seem to think making characters act stupid for the sake of advancing the plot is okay.

[@adhirg]

this guy was writing the movie for Rian lol! I wish Mauler called him out on that specifically rather than trying to entertain every schizophrenic tangent and hypothetical this dude went on. all of this dudes points are shut down by saying, “you are imagining things that are not in the movie nor are they referenced nor are they even possible with the most generous interpretation of this movie. these things only make sense after you provide background information or an excuse that’s not present in the film. do you not see the problem with that?” boom.

[@christopherbarker1048]

@@adhirg Ya know when he brought up Leia having "implied training" to pull off Leia Poppins scene. I would've countered with "Ok sure maybe it's explained in a book. But that's still bad writing cause I'm having third party material explain how a scene in a movie works rather than the movie itself"

[@hashvendetta7226]

I think its emblematic of a larger problem. People have become so stupid, and the bar has been lowered so much, that the majority can't even follow what's happening on screen, and anything you throw at them with dramatic music instantly invokes feelings that they've watched a quality film. Its bizarre

[@tzuyd]

The problem is that acknowledging stupidity is reliant on relativity.

[@lucascoval828]

He would be the diversity hire.

[@NoveloMaus]

Fanatic: "She gave a good performance." EFAP: "...but, she was in the movie for barely a mi-" Fanatic: *"PERFORMANCE!!!!"*

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Do you think Porkins gave a good performance in "A New Hope." I'M AXING YOU!

[@johnathonjohnston1598]

Catzilla Porkins was my favorite x-wing pilot. RIP Porkins

[@skywantsanacc]

i rewatched wolf's vid to see what he stated, he did in fact call rose's sister an asian bitch. so he may have been wrong, but i dont see how that pertains to the converation at all so yknow, we all benefit from further knowledge i suppose

[@kasaibouF29]

I liked her performance too, despite the nonsensical bombers. It would've been better executed with Y wings. Even then, Rose's "saving what we love" contradicts what her sister did because she died saving what she loved- Fanatic: PeRfOrMaNcE!!

[@oddballskull1941]

Battle Droid number 2 in phantom menace...I fucking believed that shit, I felt that shit. Amazing performance

[@mrdropkicker1]

9 minutes in, and Mauler had to explain the same thing to the guy twice… “The base cannot move, but the ship can…” “So why wouldn’t you destroy the base first?” “Because the base cannot move…”

[@warpanda7083]

“The film opens with Luke Skywalker. He’s in a nappy. He jumps all the way up to the Sun, and then grabs it with his hand and throws it at the Supremacy or whatever remains of the First Order army, destroys them all, and he marries Poe. Chewbacca becomes a Jedi because he wanted to, and Rey dies of old age that day.” For the love of God, someone please make *this* movie! Take my money! TAKE MY MONEY!!!

[@lavish263team5]

I'd be willing to watch this just to see chewbacca become a jedi

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

You forgot the most important point though - is Rey's aging done by practical effects or CGI? That single question will determine if your pitch is a masterpiece or a trash fire.

[@angryadmiralackbar]

This poor guy got destroyed. This is what happens when you put feeling over storytelling.

[@LiquorJim]

@@DarranKern I agree. Redlettermedia perfectly encapsuled the mentality Disney wants to attract, "Buy product and get excited about next product." This guy embodies that phrase and loves the film. Very sad.

[@DarranKern]

Liquor Jim I don’t know how to explain this level of stupid, except to literally attribute it to mental illness.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I was wondering, "why on Earth is he watching the movie during a debate?" And then I suddenly realized, he had only remembered the way the movie made him FEEL. He never thought about what was actually going on in each scene. Or whether or not it made any sense.

[@borbafet9206]

This is your brain on subjectivity

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I get disagreeing on something you're knowledgeable about, but how exactly does someone get so passionately defensive over a movie they know so little about that they have to call every other character, "whatserface"?

[@GamePlayMetal]

This guy whole philosophy on Disney's fanatical SW universe: "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products"

[@Тапи-щ7н]

GamePlayMetal are you not going to give him leeway for liking a disney fanatical star wars universe?

[@footclann0043]

And didnt he crap on the Prequels as an argument for the Sequels?

[@MrZackavelli]

@@footclann0043 These guys are a dime-a-dozen. Guys who think Star Wars was saved when it was taken out of the hands of George Lucas because George should not have been allowed to do what he wanted with it.

[@anthonygreen6219]

Let me just guess. This dude is a leftist. Eat the slop and don't think is the mantra of the worst generation yet.

[@nathanjora7627]

@@anthonygreen6219 Unfortunately you don’t need to be a leftist to be a moron. If these movies were just as bad but catering to the right rather than the left, you’d have the same amount of people simping for those movies, except they would be right wing idiots instead of left wing idiots.

[@fanmakertelegenics]

"The force can resurrect people?" "I'm pretty sure that's not true." TROS: *Allow me to introduce myself.*

[@jacksimpson9186]

Boy, that comment sure aged like a carton of milk, eh?

[@jerm70]

@@jacksimpson9186 He did leave it up by saying "I think. "

[@michaelfjmusic]

@@jacksimpson9186 A carton of rhino milk :P

[@nathanjora7627]

@@jacksimpson9186 To be fair, I’m pretty sure he was referring to the fact that Leia died, not the fact that the force could resurrect people.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

It didn’t do that.

[@limegreenhunk2452]

"Mauler I am *axing* you in this Disney fanatical Star Wars Universe are Luke and Darth Vader lovers? Did they touch hands?" -Bigideas Frodian Baggins, 1,000,000 BBY

[@Kerrandrius]

You missed on the chance to have it be one point three BEEEEELLION BBY

[@professorsponge1554]

34:19 Guy: "The movie's not stupid!" Mauler: "So how far does the movie have to go for you to think its too much?" Guy: "Its star wars it can go as far as it wants!" Mauler: "So luke gets naked, is in a diaper, jumps and grabs the sun, throws it at the supremecy, chewbacca becomes a jedi, and rey dies of old age, would you have a problem with any of that?" Guy: "When disney bought it they can do whatever they want with it." Right there is a perfect encapsulation of this dude. The movie could be a fat man in a lazy boy eating a hoagie for 2 hours, but it had the star wars label on it this dude would be fangirling for it.

[@Grrymjo]

I like the idea of fangirling dudes. Sounds... modern.

[@MrSoulreaper42]

Another example would be the Blind Wave channel. Where in their Kenobi reaction I believe, Eric openly states it doesnt matter how shit the writing or anything is. It's just more Star Wars content. Imagine just happily eating shit being spoon fed to you buy the mouse. "Consume Product, then get excited for new product"

[@professorsponge1554]

@@MrSoulreaper42 exactly. just because its got a label on it doesn't make it good. i call the kinds of 'fans' who endlessly consume 'zombie fans' they shamble from one project to the next, regardless of quality, always eating, never tasting.

[@NPClownumber81googolplex]

This guy must be the son of eric butts

[@GothWolfRants]

@@NPClownumber81googolplex Or his wife’s boyfriend’s son.

[@kossettereaditte7552]

"The force can resurrect people." Mauler never realized how fucking true this becomes.

[@TomH2681]

"No-one's ever really gone, mister Frodo." Bilbo Baggins™

[@lorddolamite6141]

*DISNEY. FANATICAL. UNIVERSE*

[@ZarathustraPrime]

CELESTIALLY EPI-KKKKKKKKKK DISNEY FANATICAL UNIVERSE, fixed it for you.

[@jamesknighton4489]

Fran Madaraki Disney become the third reich.....that make a lot of sense in today's climate

[@someguy4405]

disney fanatical star wars universe

[@jamesknighton4489]

Fran Madaraki yep

[@dusky5535]

Fran Madaraki Apex, gay, genuine, actual, real Disney fanatical Star Wars universe!

[@madcuzbad8205]

He'd be crying a whole lot more if it was just Wolf left unchecked

[@yowassup4205]

that is very true

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

If nothing else, you gotta applaud him for his patience.

[@jmuk3571]

Lol very true, mauler should have said “sick em wolf” after he said “axe you a question” for the hundredth time. I miss wolf

[@FentyCola559]

@@jmuk3571 I miss wolf too his rant on this movie was one of the best rants on KZbin Objectively

[@jmuk3571]

Ramon Sanchez. Yes it was, absolutely objectively

[@emeraldmann1329]

"It makes sense in this universe" "How does it make sense?" "It makes sense in this universe." *"How does it make sense?"* "It makes sense in this universe"

[@cobussy]

Well it makes sense cause it’s a Disney fanatical universe

[@antoniomosley4961]

What if you didn't had breakfast? This guy has to be black

[@jakobrenner2230]

Guy: "Don't call me stupid!" MauLer: "I have never called you stupid" MauLer is right he never called that guy stupid, something far worse has happened there. The guy kept talking and actually realized how stupid himself was.

[@Don11037]

After realizing how dumb you sound usually you'd stop talking

[@jeyrey9835]

Homie got hit with a Jedi mind trick

[@jakobrenner2230]

@@Don11037 if such a thing happened here, the video would have lasted less than 5 mins.

[@capthavic]

"TLJ Fan used straw man, it's not very effective!" "It hurt itself in its confusion!"

[@grayski3324]

@@capthavic They blame the nearest person that disagrees with them

[@raymond-reviews]

This brings back memories. I miss wolf.

[@TehZach1993]

I'm new to EFAP but whatever happend to him?

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

Apparently I have been out of the loop. I noticed that Wolf wasn't in any of the recent streams but I didn't know he left youtube. I thought he died or something when I read your comment.... lol

[@mister-x2]

@@TehZach1993 Long story short, depression and a suicide scare. Deleted all his content and probably won't be back. At least in the same capacity. I was happy when he showed up for efap 50

[@eaglebearer]

Wolf left a few weeks after the death of his friend. I'm not sure if that's exactly connected, but in the previous EFAPs before his departure and after his friends death he's definitely acting more strange, alot more drunk and alot more high than usual. Then one day he deleted his channel. This was also around the time when people were still accusing him of trying to get with an underage girl (which wasn't true) and I believe that's what tipped him off the edge.

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

damn.... I didn't know about that. I hope he's doing okay :(

[@someguycalledcerberus9805]

"It can literally not be bad because Disney bought bought this for billions of dollars" U fukkin wot m8?

[@Emperor_Toxatine]

Corporations love people that think like that

[@centurymemes1208]

@@Emperor_Toxatine Consuuume hehe

[@scottski02]

This has aged like the finest, Disney fanatical white wine.

[@colivas8414]

White wine? Y'all gotta get that blue wine from Ahch-To.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

@@colivas8414 Oh the curdled green breast milk from alien sea cows.

[@FringeSpectre]

"The force can resurrect people?" Fine wine indeed.

[@aisnota5192]

Disney has White Wine?

[@isaiahsmith7123]

@@aisnota5192 Not anymore. In commitment to their goal of racial equity, and increased representation, they now primarily serve wine of color.

[@cleanserofnoobs4162]

"HE CALLED HIM A BOY!" Ronan from Guardians of the Galaxy: "I understand his pain. It's a very valid argument!"

[@KneelB4Bacon]

And he seems so incredibly impressed by that . . . as if Snoke had delivered the ultimate burn. Yeah ok. Sith are d*cks, so what? You could just as easily have substituted Snoke's "boy" with "idiot." I think he's getting two different movies confused in his head.

[@Harrinsain]

Give me a time stamp for the call him a boy meme

[@BigOugh]

@@Harrinsain like 25:00 or something

[@stickynotestudios7686]

Atreus thinks they’re both wimps if they can’t handle it

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@TGOOO6 That's why Boy was shitty for that middle bit

[@AeonsAegis]

Is this guy even a Star Wars fan? “The Knights of Ren? Is that Canon?”

[@qui-gone]

I will make it canon

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

I Spaz Samuel I’m pretty certain that Disney retcons a lot of their own shit, so it’s impossible to determine what’s canon and what’s not.

[@carlosdeleon7755]

Literal brainlet

[@SeiferTV]

He's a disney fanatical star wars universe fan

[@trevordavis6830]

Honestly, they've been so insignificant so far that I'm not surprised people thought they were no longer cannon.

[@Kwistoweeish]

37:39 “So my argument isn’t strong- “Yes.” 🤣

[@convoyds]

Kwistoweeish Wolf is iconic.

[@HighPhoenix1754]

If only we could turn back time~

[@centurymemes1208]

Wolf is that general being interviews why gays aren't in the military and when asked how many soldiers are equivalent to gays life and he said "Seven" fast af

[@etrnl_t]

Mauler was like the guy who is willing to humor the opponent and let them speak, then calmly shut them down. Wolf was just *PISSED* the whole time and it makes this so much funnier.

[@nicholaskinkaid]

I don't hate this guy..........but good god I would hate debating with him Wolf was handling this discussion poorly at first but then ended on a significantly high note. Mauler was exceptional throughout

[@zarlei6048]

I'd be like Wolf was, I'm not much for KZbin debates but this guy just had no idea what he was talking about. I'd expect my opponent to bolster his talking points and be intimately familiar with the subject.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Dr LMAO he didn't even know Finn's name.

[@fotzegamingandmedia1840]

I think Wolf comes off a little shitty at first is because he's running on high emotions due to having already argued with this person earlier in the day as well as a few days prior, while this is the first time Mauler has entered the debate This theory is supported by the fact that Mauler is mostly calm and collected while Wolf acts like he's at his wit's end

[@matthewreyes5951]

@@fotzegamingandmedia1840 To be fair, I'd be at my wit's end too if I was talking to that idiot.

[@fotzegamingandmedia1840]

@You tuber What exactly do you mean by it's up to another writer to explain why Luke is the way he is? Do you mean in ROS, a separate film? Or do you mean in a book?

[@sonny_njr]

I hope Wolf comes back soon :(

[@alexi5963]

Ironic Meme name He was on a stream yesterday, from the sounds of it he is doing well. :)

[@aaron_431]

@@alexi5963 WHAT STREAM?

[@blackfearjays2286]

@@alexi5963 u say that but then dont say the streams name

[@MrMuxix]

I hope he comes back when he is ready.

[@dusky5535]

Wayne Dunlap Sup Wayne!

[@devingiannini2077]

"Suicide Squad has an important message about coming together as a team... and I think that transcends any plot problems with the film. That's what you're doing to us right now." I cannot begin to tell you how much I loved that comment. It is so frustrating when people don't understand that's what they're doing. You can measure the objective quality of something independently of how you feel about it. I think the recent trend against this line of reasoning is why so few good movies get made anymore.

[@krennicsaspirations4883]

Ah memories. "I'm axing you, in a Disney fanatical Star Wars..."

[@hashaborgonja]

Man, if I was there, I would have begun being a total asshole and corrected his shit grammer.

[@RitsuCurisu]

I was scrolling around for that.

[@capthavic]

I was so confused by the "fanatical" part, like did he mean as in it strictly adheres to the lore like fans demand, or was he trying to say it's a fantasy story or...wtf are you saying????

[@krennicsaspirations4883]

capthavic I think he was trying to say fantastical Star Wars, as in whimsical but I imagine he thought he was saying it right since MauLer and Wolf didn’t correct him oh it.

[@capthavic]

@@krennicsaspirations4883 That was my initial thought too but I couldn't be sure since he was so all over the place.

[@gatorboiy5269]

I feel incredibly bad for him, this probably was his first dip into actual debating (aside from just wolf) and his first opponents are two powerhouses.

[@sugartoothYT]

Being a bad debater and being a bad thinker are two separate things and both are true in this case, therefore I don't feel so bad. I do not have empathy for inexperience in THINKING.

[@dricsi07]

And this isn't even the worst one. The Maj0r Lee one is the absolute worst. The guy here at least trying to rationalize hes points.

[@turtleanton6539]

😂😂😂

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Have u seen major lee fandom menace video.

[@onnixcarmichele3911]

Mmm... I don’t really agree with that. I think Lee presented himself much better and less confrontational when he came onto EFAP.

[@SvendleBerries]

Seriously. Major Lee...see, I cant even finish the thought because it causes my brain to seize up. Im convinced that he gave me a rare form of brain cancer, and its sole purpose is to keep me from thinking about Major Lee.

[@xLeMoNxNaDeSx]

Idk man, getting to "look at women" is a pretty strong point...

[@phunnyguy9382]

The lesson is that its normal to rethink your position after learning new information and having a discussion

[@deeta000]

Now let’s get a cut of the stream where it’s only the long awkward pauses, crying, and him skimming through the movie.

[@Tree_-wp5zn]

The not at all great debate

[@tecumsehcristero]

34:00 "It's not stupid!" With clenched fists and tears in his eyes

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Yeah, yeah, he got half as emotional as Wolf. We know.

[@dusky5535]

Awww Mauler you spoil us you massive! The Not So Great Debate remastered! Edit: the thing I love most about this debate is the good cop-bad cop dynamic between Mauler and Wolf.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

MauLer definitely had Wolf on a leash. The leash just slipped from time to time.

[@shawnm1902]

In the remaster, did Mauler CGI in a bunch of after effects and filler to better suit his vision?

[@dusky5535]

Shawn M He has too much class ;)

[@Zaharad]

Hello, writer here, just to aid people who genuinely argue the "why can't you just accept it's amazing" thing: There's something called suspension of disbelief. When writing anything fantasy or otherwise fictitious, you're not just expecting people to buy into your setting, you have to sell them on it. As such, you have a set of rules that you follow. Basic example; mages use mana, if you have no mana, you can't use magic. That rule upholds with multiple series lasting years, but now a new company comes in with a new director, purchased the series, and now people can inexplicably use magic regardless of whether they have any mana or not. That kind of rulebreaking is what breaks suspension of disbelief. There's no oxygen in space. Everything we know of space leads us to believe that being *in* open space, IE sucked out of a ship, will lead to instantaneous death for so many reasons you could fill an encyclopedia. So far in Star Wars, this has held true. There've been those in space suits who've been able to last a time, and while I don't remember off the top of my head I do recall Plo Koon being able to uniquely survive for a time? Either way, for humans, it is expected that being whisked into space leads to instantaneous and irreversible death. So, imagine an old lady being sucked out of a ship, and waking up either moments or minutes after the fact, and flying in space to another air lock. It was never established prior as to how/why this is possible, it just comes out of nowhere, as though somebody opened the rule book and scribbled it in with felt marker, and expecting suspension of disbelief to not be hilariously broken. Now, lets say the producers are on our asses about this, and we NEED to make this scene happen, or the movie is done for. Fine, what we *could* do to try and salvage it is to perhaps hint to it with dialogue, or perhaps even show the force being able to protect one whilst in space. The force is an active, living entity that presides within all life, so what I personally would do is have it be like a force barrier that creates a vacuum around the caster, offering them a temporary sanctuary, but it would have to be noted as a high difficulty force power, hence it would still knock Leia out as happens in the movie already. It could even be shown in a flashback scene of Leia training that she is specializing in this kind of barrier, trying to make it as impenetrable as possible. We could even go one scene further, making it tragic by, due to her age and situational panic/worry, her barrier isn't as good as it was in her prime, and let's say the barrier initially saves a couple of other people, but they perish before they can be saved due to this. I'm just kind of going off at this point, was just listening in while taking some notes so I'm sorry if it came off as ranty. TL;DR Suspension of disbelief is the key to any fiction. Sell it, don't break it, otherwise nobody will respect your setting/story.

[@matchesburn]

I love how that guy was unknowingly debating himself and lost. Despite having the god damn film playing in the background he's confused as to even linear events that happened. When you have to explain to someone that is watching the same piece of media as you how linear time works, they are either too stupid or too crazy to continue debate with.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

It took me a long time to figure out why he wasn't remembering basic stuff that happened in the movie. (And it's not a complicated story). Wolf and Mauler had to remind him constantly. And then I finally figured it out . . . he was only remembering the way the movie made him FEEL.

[@Gaminnewfie]

Wolf: Why would be bother wasting our money on it? Fanatic (I can't be fucked to look up his name) : it's still a Star Wars film, I still want it for my collection. and that, my fellow Efappers is the difference between a customer and a consumer: a customer chooses, a consumer obeys.

[@roryvesper6773]

You can choose to have a 6 ft Darth Maul model or a 6 ft Captain Phasma model

[@oddballskull1941]

I like to collect shit, but if I ever feel sooo compelled to complete film collections for something I know is bad, I'm getting them second hand for 5 dollars..and even then..like I haven't gotten solo and I don't plan on it..It's the only star wars movie I don't own, and I only watch 7-8-9 for analysis like this..and that's still like only when I'm trying to make points about those movies.. I bought the Predators DVD box. "The Predator" hasn't been touched. My terminator collection stops at salvation..i dont even know why I bought 3 but it's better than 5 and 6 I can't imagine what it's like being a loyal completionist to the mcu

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

If only they could help this poor man understand that. Maybe they should have tried a "Would you kindly?"

[@trevorthornley8835]

Loyalty to disney Loyalty to the brand Loyalty is salvation Loyalty is life

[@zachgilbert3815]

This debate was Celestial and Epic but it isn't as good as you think it do.

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

Thanks Zach

[@thereviewersblock7459]

Zach Gilbert look Man. They did it okay the way that they did it.

[@ian-op5fv]

Zach Gilbert but i think it be. It was good RAT

[@zachgilbert3815]

It's ok guys, just because it's bad doesn't mean its bad!

[@NDenizen]

Zach Gilbert has a problem with Black Women

[@johnsnow04]

Ah, the golden age of this and Just Write TLJ debate. All that is missing is never published Wolf and Mauler vs IHE and TRO debate and trilogy will be completed.

[@aliceinthewired]

@WillFanofMany Mauler releasing it is contingent on if IHE claims that the debate didn't happen or some shit along those lines.

[@jebalitabb8228]

I almost want IHE to attempt to criticize mauler/wolf/Rags so there’s a valid reason to release it

[@sammydray5919]

@@jebalitabb8228 I want some shit like that to happen just so we could see that glorious verbal smackdown

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

Did I Hate Everything change or something? I watched a video of just him and MauLer, and they both seemed pretty chill.

[@BatteryStaples]

38:37 MauLer: The force can resurrect people? Wolf: I'm pretty sure that's not true JJ in TRoS: Hold my beer

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

yes but not self resurrection. I guess Leia bought the self revive perk

[@ryueldragonborn4145]

Oooof jj that beer reeks like burning garbage.. Oh wait thats the plot

[@Xanegoh]

Here's a point I'd like to make: if Snoke could smack around Hux with the force from the other side of the galaxy, or wherever he was, why didn't he just snap Leia's neck? Why didn't he literally just hold the resistance in place so that the First Order could blow them to space dust? If they are that keen on destroying the resistance, and Snoke is that powerful, why was this not the outcome? And your answer can't be "because arrogance".

[@RandomizedCTRL]

To be fair, we saw Vader force-choke his underlings in the OT. Following that logic, he could easily have opened a comm-canal to the Rebel leaders and choked them too. I always explained that in my head canon that the good guys would have eben aware of that possibility (at the latest after it had happened once) and either didn't show themselves to the bad guys or immediately cut the connection when they try something funny.

[@VladDascaliuc]

@@RandomizedCTRL This doesn't make much sense at all.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@RandomizedCTRL wasn't the guy on the same ship?

[@cranberryrosebud]

Because he's old

[@PickledShark]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 In EST, Vader chokes an officer over the television.

[@jaysimaginarydreams8498]

this guy at 30 minutes or something saying "its NOT STUPID" is literally in tears , calm down man. it's ok.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Yeah, Mauler makes a great point near the end, where he says, "maybe the reason why you're finding these movies so hard to defend is because they ARE hard to defend."

[@razkable]

people can't debate logically or dissect media at its core properly..if you noticed many podcasts and discussions reviews reactions are about like summarizing the plot and feelings not really anything of value is gained listening to most of them...cause they just care about how they felt both positive and negative..they can't just break a film down logically without any feelings attached..thats the issue and why we invent ai cause we don't have to worry about human flaws getting in the way ai will just do its job

[@deusvult7903]

Asmosis Jones that pretty much sums up why people who can’t accept objectivity in art do not make good critiques/reviews

[@extratao50]

@@deusvult7903 this 😂😂😂😂

[@benmccanain5504]

It did sound like he was about to cry 🤣

[@Dr_Smash]

Me: Oh, new video MauLer: 🐺 Me: 😭

[@legate5783]

?

[@Mejker]

@@legate5783 it's a joke that has punchline that it causes him/her sadness because it's content from when wolf was still active.

[@wizard_of_the_west8270]

"It's stupid" "IT'S NOT STUIPD" Lol

[@grayayakashi5978]

Wolf bout to obliterate this man like his name is "exodia the forbidden one." We miss you wolf.

[@tzengtm]

"I don't want to use this as an argument" Then why are you saying it, in a _DEBATE_ ?

[@meleemastermaa1449]

I think Luke would be more like a guy who would say "I'll bring you back even if it kills me" rather than "You're a lost cause, time to die". Everytime he shuts down is the point where he starts to break his fanboy conditioning.

[@s13gouf60]

I've always found this "debate" personified the target demographic for Disney's star wars. Thank you for the editing and consolidation work you have done.

[@shredwerd009]

I do wish I could hear how long it takes him to come up with these stupid responses

[@k2k4]

This guy's a snake. He starts the discussion by immediately putting wrong words into a sentence wolf says, then tries to change the subject and add false facts when any logic is presented. And yes I miss dishonored wolf too. He has an honorable rage in him.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

Idk if he's a snake so much as he's about 12.

[@lucascoval828]

I don't believe he was being malicious. He just seemed forgetful.

[@axelvoss9653]

Too bad he's too dumb to do anything with that

[@MC1802M]

He is just an unintelligent and emotional child.

[@SavingStarTrek]

I think the guy just had no plan. He didn't think over the premise & did no research

[@EvanMonroe]

“...And called him a BOI.”

[@kingbash6466]

This really makes me miss Wolf.

[@Haukipesukone]

What happened to Wolf?

[@OkOk-vj9db]

@@Haukipesukone He quit KZbin or at least for now.

[@ianhines2302]

Ok Ok He was on a stream with MauLer and Metal yesterday

[@TheGreatToki]

This needs to be animated.

[@hecute4932]

"I'M AXIN YOU..." Ah Wolf... you're missed, brother.

[@JohnSmith-op3qj]

It warms my heart how MauLer naturally incorporates memes to his speech pattern now :) Truly, a celestial achievement.

[@TheJarlOfJyttland]

This guy's modus operandi seems to be "don't ask questions, just consume product. Then get excited for next product." When he asked why you didn't own TLJ on Blue Ray because it was Star Wars, that became all too clear. Throughout the debate it seemed to be that he could be able to see TLJ for what is was, but there some mental barrier holding him back.

[@alexhayden219]

This guy sounds about as intelligent as Freddie Prinze Jr.

[@marywilcox3102]

This guy might as well be Prinze Jr.'s clone.

[@krieghart5515]

FPJ is just a troll desperate for work, so he'll say what he needs to say to get in bed with the right people. That's pretty smart. This guy seems like he might have trouble tying his shoes.

[@roboguard96]

FPJ drove this mystery machine, this guy does not have that credential

[@MegaSpideyman]

@Alex Hayden I hope MaulEr and co do an EFAP on that.

[@MegaSpideyman]

@@Red-zh7vq Absolutely. Sad for me, due to never thinking he was like that and being happy with him as Kanan. Star Wars has sadly opened me up to the people involved being needlessly unpleasant, like Johnson, Kennedy, Boyega, Hamill, Howard and now Prinze JR.

[@Roy_mustang7]

There has never been a better example of someone hearing the media screaming "the prequels were terrible." when you were 8 years old, accepting it as fact without doing the research yourself, and then using the prequels as your crutch to lift up these objectively, fully, 100% trash movies.

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

The only prequel I ever cared for was episode 3. However I would never use the prequels as a crutch for episode 8 because episode 8 is shit. Although admittedly I'd rather watch episode 8 over episode 2.

[@slappydoodle]

@@bigkmoviesandgames idk that's a really really tough decision. Ummmmmmm damn I think in that scenario I'd choose episode 2. While it sucks it doesn't make me mad with its stupidity. I really fckn hate this movie and listening to this is funny AF

[@flash_goofed_1638]

Well the prequels are terrible but that doesn't make the sequels any good

[@TheRetroRenegade]

I don't know exactly what transpired between Wolf and this guy beforehand, but my observation of this debate and the main difference between MauLer and Wolf's style is that MauLer (with the exception of a few wise-cracks) tends to compose himself better and approach debates - even ones as a stone-walled as this - with more mutual respect for the opposition. Where as Wolf, as his name would imply, is just vicious and unhinged, particularly with the insults and belittling of his opponent in the debate. Not to say that Wolf's arguments were worse or that I don't agree with the fact this guy they were debating was doing a terrible job at defending his position, but I greatly prefer MauLer's approach and attempt to restrain himself from laying on the insults (although I could tell he was letting some slip through because to be honest at a certain point it would be hard not to. I guess you could chalk it up to a "moment of weakness" for him *wink*).

[@Antony-sb2uv]

The issue with wolf throwing out insults in a debate is that it'll generally piss off whoever's he's insulting, and then both sides throw around insults more instead of actual arguments during that time. It doesn't invalidate his argument but it does slow down the debate. In pre-recorded videos it's a little better because content and it's easier to ignore

[@VladDascaliuc]

Well, I like the carnage Wolf creates. Maybe it's not all that fair and it might slow down conversation, but I find his honesty really darn funny to listen to. I know that he means it when he's calling someone a moron, and I respect that.

[@Antony-sb2uv]

@@VladDascaliuc yeah, fair enough. It depends what balance of entertainment and proper debating you want, I guess.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

Wolf's style of tearing his opponent apart with both arguments and insults is definitely fun. But similar to you, I prefer Mauler's approach. Mauler's style like a mix of HK-47 and Count Dooku: his points and arguments are all pinpoint and accurate, but he will let his opponents trip over themselves and make mistakes to then strike at them, all while also having some wit behind it. He doesn't really let himself be distracted by feelings and sticks to his arguments.

[@noahgrubbs6954]

If I recall, before the debate, this guy came to wolf's discord server and was being a dick, and trying to debate the ENTIRE server at once. So wolf was already pissed with him for the chaos, and called mauler in for backup.

[@Lieutenant_Dude]

Jesus, it’s like his brain is a dial up modem trying desperately to reconnect. Okay...uhh....okay

[@Piper9080]

Its got to be running on America Online because I can just *HEAR* the beeps of his brain neurons trying to connect

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

Live audio from that guy's brain kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3eVp2Zorah3Zrs

[@lukecomiskey6058]

The epitome of perfection. I burst into laughter every time wolf says “oh my god”.

[@albertocruzado2899]

I was reading an interview with Spanish writer Arturo Pérez Revere about his most famous character, Diego Alatriste. When asked about how the adopted child of the character saw him through the years (as a tired old man awaiting death or as an heroic warrior prepared to kill and die by the sword) he answer "Los héroes nunca dejan de serlo; la gente deja de verlos, que es distinto. ¿Cómo va un hombre, por envejecer, a perder su biografía?" being the translation, more or less "Heroes never stop being heroes. People stop seeing them as such, which is different. How a man is going to loose his biography because of him becoming old?" I think that tell a lot about what was done to Luke, and how this people look at what was done to the character. How they see as correct what was done.

[@objectismy6434]

It’s so good to hear Wolf’s voice again. I’ve missed him so much. MauLer tell Wolf he is the best wolf boi and deserves all the pizza

[@krieghart5515]

All the pizza

[@spooplegeist5260]

I burst into laughter when he sounded almost in tears and screamed “LIGHTSABERS!”

[@alexanderfernandez5062]

Got a time stamp for it?

[@spooplegeist5260]

Alexander Fernandez 34:05 (buffered for a few seconds so you don’t miss it)

[@alexanderfernandez5062]

@@spooplegeist5260 Thanks mate!

[@KneelB4Bacon]

That was probably one of his "notes."

[@thereviewersblock7459]

Catzilla I am convinced that this guys notes are just crumbled up, old, used napkins that he wrote on with Crayons. The letters are probably writtened backwards too.

[@bennettschirmer3896]

“Jedi are monks. Monks can slow down their hearts and shit, so Leila can die and be resurrected in space.” “Luke has so much FUCKIN more to lose now. He has padawans.” “He’s old.” “Why does Luke have to be infaluable (sic)” “In the Disney Fanatical Star Wars Universe, a space princess can fly in space.” “Hux didn’t attack his enemies because he was arrogant.” “He has to destroy the base before the Resistance so that the Resistance can’t use the base.” “The stationary ship was a moving target.” “I axe you, I axed you” “I D I S A G R E E” “He FUCKIN - “ *sigh* “If they did write the character’s decisions differently, they would just have written something different!”

[@Lieutenant_Dude]

They could have made this movie without any characters. Knights of the Old Republic was a Star Wars story set 1000 years before episode 1. People loved it. They could have made episode 7 500 years after ROTJ.

[@TheRedThirst]

This wasn’t a discussion... it was a slaughter...

[@DarranKern]

The Red Thirst this was like watching one of those zombie movies where one of the main characters is turning and there’s nothing anyone can do. This kind of stupidity evokes feelings of sadness, fear, disgust, and rage. This guy is so stupid that he’s repulsive

[@gabrielkow8867]

A slaughter of my fucking brain cells

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I agree. I think it also points out that critical thinking is a desperately-needed skill, especially now, where there are SO many sources of information online and many of those sources are driven by political and corporate interests. It's important for people to find reliable sources of information because there is bullsh*t everywhere and we need to know how to detect it and avoid it.

[@TyrDrum]

Slice n dice

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

More like two temper tantrums while the rational, calm parent has to calm down both children.

[@cranberryrosebud]

"I don't want to use this as an argument, but I feel like I have to: it *is* this Disney fanatical Star Wars universe with flying space princesses-" "That's not an argument." That exchange about sums up this debate.

[@MrMandude365]

I'm axing you, are you building a MauLer fanatical EFAP universe?

[@dusky5535]

Would Screen Tear be the prequel?

[@ianlegrange3663]

This guy's is arrogant and his argument is broken from the start.

[@Dactaraad]

ian legrange I can’t believe how long they have to explain why shooting a ship is smarter than a rebel base that is going nowhere.

[@sammydray5919]

Calling them "arguments" is giving this moron too much credit lol

[@Muck006]

@@Dactaraad ... and then he still doesnt get it. An arrogant general would have BOARDED THE RADUS to CAPTURE the rebels alive!

[@natetheskate9948]

This reminds me how when I asked my brother why luke would try to kill Ben, he answered "PTSD". I said, "that is possible, but do we see ANY other hints that he is suffering from PTSD". He couldn't answer. Even then, PTSD doesn't make someone do something that is COMPLETELY against their worldview. He has since changed his mind and acknowledged the PTSD thing was stupid.

[@MarcTheCyborg]

I always knew he meant “fantastical”, but every time he says “fanatical” it’s funny 😂

[@KneelB4Bacon]

I thought he was making a dig at real Star Wars fans, myself. You know, claiming that people who like stories that progress logically and have well-written characters are somehow "fanatics."

[@ori.g4mi]

Finally, a version without the awkward pauses! Still can't believe the guy forgot about the Knights of Ren.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Nobody expects the Knights of Ren! Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear. And nice red uniforms.

[@axelvoss9653]

"Old, more to lose, arrogance, good performance, Disney fanatical Star Wars universe." -A good argument

[@ColorlessRonin]

Ahhh, yes. Wolf rage is the best! Thanks for reuploading this!!

[@LeaXoftheUnderworld2]

We live in a Disney Fanatical Star Wars Universe ~Bigideas

[@jackdaone6469]

Bottom Text - Bilbus Bogoda

[@TheUpperHead]

34:55 Mauler's improvisation here is gold

[@elliottthurlow954]

Sounds fantastic maybe even Disney fanatical

[@Twinleaf_2623]

Star Wars: The Last Jedi VS. Star Trek: Into Darkness. Now *that's* a debate I'd like to see.

[@Z95HeadHunter]

Into Darkness was crap, but The Last Jedi was profuse diarrhea. One is quite a bit worse..

[@scottski02]

Into Darkness sucks, but TLJ both sucks AND blows

[@NullXNXVoid]

I'd have to watch it again, and talk to a massive trek fan, but I don't think Into Darkness completely fucked up the plot, lore, and characters the same way TLJ did.

[@Hashbrown1682]

One had Bendersnap Clusterclutch. The other didn't

[@alanfordham9986]

2 of the worst films of the decade

[@fat_2627]

That's an hour and a half I won't get back. This guy sounds like what I'd imagine a Sequel fan to be.

[@roryvesper6773]

I'm not sure if I wanna know what you think a prequel fan would be like

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@@roryvesper6773 I liked the prequels. I guess you could say I'm a fan of them. Even though they weren't good films, they did actually add more to the lore than they took away. Unlike the sequels, which took a big steamy dump on pretty much everything. Plus, the lightsaber battles were pretty enjoyable. I hope my answer gives you some insight.

[@HerohammerStudios]

How in the world can you say there aren't problems with Rose's introduction? Finn is a legendary hero of the Resistance, despite the movie taking place immediately after TFA. Rose tases people who want to escape with their lives, out of her own misguided moral ideology. That's two, and those were just the ones I could think of off the top of my head

[@capthavic]

She doomed the Rebels/Resistance by stopping Finn from sacrificing himself, its only due to Luke's intervention that they don't all die. And she forced herself on him despite no chemistry or relationship being developed between them. That's two more off top of my head.

[@papershadow]

Here's another one: Rose tases Finn, an outsider primarily with the Resistance by circumstance and inability to leave at this stage of the story (at least by how TLJ assesses him), him trying to escape while everyone is fleeing is wrong and she considers turning him in/putting him in the brig. Finn and Poe then devise a plan to sneak into the Supremacy and disable the tracker to make a jump to lightspeed against Holdo's orders and with Poe having been semi-publicly shamed/demoted within a few hours. Rose seems not only willing to keep this plan a secret from their leadership but to actively participate in the plan knowing it is being hidden from their current leadership for likely disapproval. Do these two reactions sound consistent in one person, back-to-back?

[@cynicalbastard1725]

the lessons i take from this are when you get old you automatically gain the desire to kill being called A BOY IN A MASK will make me change my whole world view being bitch slapped to the ground will make me try to be more efficient towards my goals and also the most important one, this timeline really does have a fanatical Disney Star Wars universe

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

The effect of being called "a boy in a mask" is the #1 cause of childhood schizophrenia and related psychotic disorders. Diagnoses in The West typically peak heavily around the end of October. Remember, remember to pay special attention to the United Kingdom, which experiences an additional bump in new cases through November 5th. CDC recommendations for face coverings specifically exempt very young children due to the increased risk of young girls being mistaken for little boys and effectively doubling the current pool of potential casualties. In situations where face masks are unavoidable for young children, it is advised that girls be given masks with exagerrated "little girl" patterns and color palettes. The boys, on the other hand, should not be allowed out of their crates and may need to be kept muzzled, depending on local ordinance.

[@lavish263team5]

@@Kevin-jb2pv what does this have to do with anything XD It's very well written but... why?

[@cranberryrosebud]

@@lavish263team5 I think they're making a joke about someone being called "a boy in a mask" being a traumatic event that changes your life forever, playing on how serious the guy in the video seems to consider it to be to Kylo's later actions. But maybe they just went off, not sure.

[@kye698]

All I'm gonna say is as a black dude, "boy" is violence inducing for me. But outside of that context yeah kylo trippin

[@helios4753]

"Luke had more to lose." You mean like his family? The first thing that Vader took from Luke.

[@MordeanSchein]

OMG YES IVE BEEN MISSING THIS! THANK YOU MAGIC MOOLER! P.S. Miss you Wolf!

[@animalisticprik]

The Disney Fanatical Star Wars Universe is the only thing that brings me joy in life...

[@Theluckyonesss]

This is what it's like to deal with a toddler.

[@Arander92]

Can’t wait for fatherhood then.

[@wheeliebin18]

That's been dropped several times

[@Z95HeadHunter]

33:47 calls the Prequels shitty and loves the Sequels?? Weird taste but sure. I guess. I remember when I worried the sequels were gonna turn out bad "like the Prequels" as they say. I really love the Prequels despite how flawed they are in a lot of places. can't say I feel the same for the Sequels tho.

[@SefniAsheforr]

That bit showed his hypocrisy because he said that no matter what Disney did it wouldn't be a problem. And nothing they do can be shitty because it's Star Wars and has "LIGHTSABERS!" Yet he says the prequels were shit. There's no sense to how this child judges film

[@benmccanain5504]

The prequels, as flawed as they are, actually expanded on the lore significantly. Which, I'd argue, adds more depth to the original trilogy. The first 6 movies and the E.U gave me all I need. The sequels, to me, are an unrelated side project akin to incredibly bad fan fiction, and that's all they are.

[@DeepEye1994]

The Prequels are like diamonds in a very raw state. You can see bits of brilliance, but they needed reworking to show off their fullest potential. People trashed them because they weren't pretty clean diamonds like the OT. The Sequels instead I'd describe them like Ned Flanders' reconstructed house after the original was destroyed by the tornado. At FIRST it looks like a nice well built house, but the more you look into it the more broken and barely functional it is, and then it collapses when you touch it too much. I have SEVERE doubts the Sequels will be vindicated in 10 years or so. They'll just get worse over the years.

[@hashaborgonja]

"Conviction in his face" - Bigideas

[@impossibleEmu]

You missed an Argument there: "is Luke not allowed to have a Moment of Weakness" HE HAD THAT IN EP 6 WHEN HE CUT VADER HAND OFF!! in Anger, and Fear for his Sister. And regret it emediatly and throw his lights aber to the side an direktly telling the Emperor in the Face "NO" . He had this Moment and he learned from that!! To be fair, I can see some of the points he's trying to make but, man. He really should have bring someone with him, who is coolheadet and helped him phraising.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

Even then, a direct threat by space hitler vs your confused nephew having a phase.

[@JBonjubia]

Yeah he can have a moment of weakness however Luke at that point had no events that would lead him to even think about killing his sister's son.

[@benmccanain5504]

@@JBonjubia If anything, as an Oldman, he should have wisdom. Luke learned his lesson through Vader and so he should have known how to handle his nephew far better. Especially considering that Ben hadn't even started down the path yet. The very fact that Luke even considered murder as his first option, or even to consider murder at all, that's fucking insane.

[@doolittlecraftsmann302]

@@benmccanain5504 I'd like to know how Luke would explain his actions to His Sister, and best friend. If Luke killed Ben.

[@rynuzuri9578]

I miss Wolf. He made EFAP. There is a level of "fuck the things I hate and the people involved" energy that just isnt there with him gone.

[@wahlex841]

And it's exactly the type of unhealthy energy that brought him to the breaking point.

[@craigjohnson3826]

TBH I think the fact that he is gone along with his attitude lends a lot more credence to the EFAP crew.

[@InnerAtanih]

I agree with both of you and I also love wolf

[@benmccanain5504]

@@wahlex841 I'd argue that the autism he's been exposed to feeds his depression. I feel that way a lot, not gonna lie. My faith in humanity dwindles every time I hear someone present opinions riddled with logical fallacies.

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

@@craigjohnson3826 I’ve always viewed the efap fan base’s love of Wolf to be a little overrated. I don’t hate him but he’s definitely the type of guy that would get a knuckle sandwich if I had to deal with him in day to day life.

[@nlbite]

God I would LOVE for you to bring this guy back and get his opinions on Ep 9 and the trilogy as a whole now that it's over.

[@johnmchugh8049]

The arrogance is walking into a gun fight with a knife and you are facing mauler and wolf

[@VG-fk6nk]

My brother in Christ, that guy did not have a knife. He had paper spoon at best.

[@nikkusan6704]

The mental gymnastics that one has to go through to defend this film our next level. This was absolutely painful to listen to; I can’t imagine what it was like for you guys to try to discuss this. Wow. Just wow.

[@Zer0Hour17]

I'm honestly impressed this person can work his computer well enough to even have this conversation.

[@bongwaterbojack]

"I'm saying it's noT...stupid!" "It iS stupid." "IT'S NOT STUPID!" Nearly spit out my drink at that little exchange lol

[@mantha6912]

First! All hail the Don, the long man, and Bigideas!

[@kablstr1451]

What about Bigtitious?

[@lieutenantnomad9198]

I'll raise a MASSIVE glass of 🦏🥛to that.

[@resee9856]

What about Jared the Forbidden One?