Everyone Is Switching To Linux

[@BrodieRobertson]

Of the things you could want clarification on I don't know why people were asking me about the weeb game I held up, but regardless, it was Atelier Sophie 2

[@nittani.]

Just use nix pkgs u dum dum if uoy use nix pkgs it works for davincie resolve

[@windunursetyadi]

YOO, fellow Atelier enjoyer found

[@BrodieRobertson]

I played some of Escha & Logy back in high school with a friend but only recently became a fan of the series.

[@windunursetyadi]

​@@BrodieRobertsonwhat games have you played and who is your favorite protag so far?

[@obake6290]

I recognized it, I love Atelier! Also, hate to say it but weeb games are more important than Linux.

[@FunctionGermany]

the year of the linux desktop was the "i tried linux" videos we made along the way

[@NeatMemesDotCom]

F

[@emiliocespedes3685]

I actually lol with this comment

[@marioalejandrocamp]

OOF

[@BGraves]

No good productivity software for my industry.

[@economicprisoner]

@@BGraves Well, with windows leaking data: many industries are either going to have to either change or use an air-gap.

[@sleepywitches]

"I'm switching to linux" video starter pack: nvidia drivers problems, multiple monitors problems, Photoshop mention, "my davinci resolve was working last night, idk what happened", unusual unknown bug that no one ever experienced.

[@Atlessa]

You forgot: Game I wanna play won't run because of anticheat and specific piece of hardware (in my case 1200€ worth of flight sim peripherals) not working due to nonexistant drivers.

[@sleepywitches]

@@Atlessa true

[@IAmTerminallyBored]

Haven’t had any issues with Nvidia yet.

[@ledoynier3694]

@@IAmTerminallyBored me neither : the drivers never installed to begin with

[@BGraves]

Lack of proper hdr support

[@anonimes4005]

The linux market share is actually rising pretty fast. Just a few years ago it was under 2% and now its already over 4%. Big thanks to valve for steamdeck, and microsoft for making a shitty os

[@fatoldhikki4837]

and support for 10 is ending, it's time to think about what to put on your computer next.

[@romanplays1]

​@@fatoldhikki4837i aint moving to windows 11. Stickin to 10 till the version after 11 comes out. Since the pattern of windows only being good every other version is holding.

[@cyberfunk3793]

Pretty fast like 3% in 30 years

[@cyberfunk3793]

​@@fatoldhikki4837definitely not Linux if one needs to get some actual work done and isn't just a python programmer.

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

also shoutout to apple for always having a neutered OS. Leaving Linux as the only real option

[@Thorou]

9:59 Someone brought this up in DankPods' comment section: A reason why some people may assume that anything slightly advanced *requires* a terminal is because a lot of guides will just say "copy paste this command" instead of "depending on your desktop environment, navigate to one of 10 different GUI settings apps, pick the right sequence of categories along the way and finally enable this setting".

[@1pcfred]

We don't need no stinking Desktop Environments.

[@Blackilykat]

​@@1pcfred tell that to the average windows user who may switch and is used to not touching the terminal for anything

[@1pcfred]

@@Blackilykat I tell them to keep running Windows. What do I want them bogging my mirror down for?

[@DanTDMJace]

@@1pcfredYou know that you don't have to install one, right?

[@1pcfred]

@@DanTDMJace I don't have a Desktop Environment installed. I use a Window Manager. So yes I am well aware.

[@NovemberOrWhatever]

The LTT linux challenge really felt like it was "Is Linux a drop-in replacement for Windows?" to which the answer was pretty clearly "No". Whereas this round seems to be more "Can I make Linux work for me?" where the answer is usually "Basically yes, but it's more work than Windows"

[@blubblurb]

This is it. A lot of people like tinkering and make it work for them. And the situation is good enough for a lot of people.

[@rookooful]

windows has done so much work to break all methods of control over the pc that at this point moving to linux seems easier than dealing with windows. The control panel and other systems that windows has has worked well for decades but they keep trying to remove it for the crappy app system. So now windows exists with a hybrid where some stuff can be done in the app but anything deeper you need to go into the control panel for. They arnt even adding those functions we use the control panel for into the app so you just end up in a worse situation. At this point the closer to hardware of linux sounds appealing

[@diegosilang4823]

Steam Deck is the best thing happened to Linux, exposing millions of people to Linux platform.

[@jarod1701]

@@diegosilang4823 Most Steam Deck users probably don‘t care about it running on Linux. They just want to play their games.

[@Veetrill]

I'd say it's Valve products in general, not just Steam Deck. Valve ported all its games to Linux. Valve ported Steam to Linux. Valve created its own Debian-based Linux distribution long before Steam Deck was announced. Valve vastly improved Windows apps compatibility by creating and developing wine-based Proton. Steam Deck powered by the Arch-based SteamOS 3 and Proton for running games is a logical continuation of their previous years of hard work for making gaming experience on Linux seamless and enjoyable.

[@Veetrill]

@AvailablePing Funny thing is, Valve actually does all of this out of own interests - to make their game ecosystem less-dependent on Windows in long term. Sad thing is, there are not so many gaming companies that are willing to invest their money into such long term projects without noticeable short-term gains. Most of them are just being greedy and wish to squeeze every penny out of their customers right here and right now, future be damned.

[@Ralphunreal]

@@Veetrill steam is drm and emulating games isn't ideal. linux needs actual native games,etc

[@Veetrill]

@@Ralphunreal First, Steam by itself does not impose DRM, the particular games in its library do. Second, you don't 'emulate' games in Wine/Proton, but just run them through a compatibility layer. Third, although running games through Wine/Proton is not always ideal and may be worse than running the game natively (though that ain't always the case), it's still better than not being able to play the game at all.

[@girlycake]

windows is the best advertisement for linux

[@Wkaelx]

Fr, microsoft just thinks that they are invulnerable, most people will go to mac insted of linux but still microsoft will loose more marketshare because of stupid corporate decisions.

[@2greenify]

Sadly not. Many things are still better on Windows. Especially the UX is still much better. Honesty leads to a better Linux. Especially among Linux enthusiasts.

[@Jacob6853]

@@2greenify Not sure about UX being better. The prospect of an AI taking screenshots all the time (on Arm for now, coming to an X86/64 pc eventually), a task bar one can't move and Ads all over screams horrible UX to me.

[@BlogingLP]

​@@2greenify If Windows is so good why am I an Windows refugee?

[@Hexality]

@@2greenify UX is definitely not better, its just that they have just one to choose from and you're stuck with it, while on linux you can chose a pletora of different DEs and WMs to use.

[@Tauredian]

One thing I find interesting is it seems people are going into it trying to use linux long term, instead of being just a short term challenge. its a small but interesting difference.

[@FlameSoulis]

That's ultimately why I stuck around for now... a year and a half?! And the kicker with my situation, is I was using it on a 'surface-like' laptop (Dell 5290), so I was gambling with compatibility with laptop hardware. Thankfully, the only part that isn't working are the webcams (I'd love to get them working eventually), but everything else is working fine, and what was to be a burner laptop eventually became my daily driver.

[@MasicoreLord]

essentially turned it into a trial

[@Aeroxima]

I do think it's better to play with it on the side for a bit to get used to it before trying to full on switch, though it works for some people I guess, but I think people are doing it because Windows is a sinking ship. (And has been for a while now)

[@TAP7a]

I wonder if that’s more down to something like: of all the KZbin audience that would engage with a video that mentions Linux, enough of them now know that there is little value in another video of a noob response to using a distro that they no longer engage with them, feeding back to the creators that that specific content doesn’t work any more. As opposed to being symptomatic of a generally increased appetite for making the switch. I’d love if there were reasonable data already collected about that rather than relying on statcounter and searching view counts to make the inference more tenuous

[@SzTz100]

It's not going to work, it's like trying to give up porn or masturbation. Short term, maybe, but long term is impossible.

[@Robin_Goodfellow]

I think the most important thing Dank Pods said in his switching to Linux video was "there are problems, but I'm committed to learning Linux because I'm not going back." We're reaching a point where issues on Windows seem like the greater of two evils to average people.

[@Sovek86]

My problem is how MS treats their users. If I pay for Windows 10, then it SHOULD be supported for alot longer than it has especially since most windows 10 users are refusing to use 11. And speaking of 11, there is no reason my hardware cant support w11 just because of something I and most other people DONT NEED (TPM Im looking at you), and then you stick something on my login screen prompting me to get a new computer for a feature I dont meed.

[@rookooful]

Honestly I like how win10 works and everything i hear about win11 sounds awful. I dont like how win11 is packed to the gills with spyware at this point and how anticonsumer microsoft has gotten. I like using lightroom and photoshop but I have learned I can just dual boot and if i need to do import and editing i can just boot windows and then go back to the os that isnt watching over my shoulder. I will make the transition here in a few months I think.

[@sadfghjkllkjhgfdsfg]

Linux user for 25 years. Currently on Debian Testing + Cinnamon + nVidia. I switched when I was 16, I had plenty of time to learn, I sure as hell wasn't doing my homework! Within 6 months of first installing linux I'd setup my desktop as a "dial box" that could dial up to the internet and share the internet with the other 2 windows computers in the house. "Linux isn't hard" - says the man that spent weeks pulling an internal 28.8k "WinModem" out of my Dad's Wind98 desktop, installing it into my linux box, getting a new error, putting it back into Dad's, connecting to the internet, searching for the resolution to the new error, rinse and repeat. I think it was about 6 weeks from "I can do this" to "I have done this" - Then I made a web page that everyone on the network could use to make it dial the internet, which would share the internet with everyone in the house. I had to learn how to install Apache, and write CGI scripts to do the latter part. I loved every second of it. Guess who ended up being a network admin? Now I'm so hopped up on the Linux cool-aid that everything is just "40-50 simple steps!"

[@exotericidymnic3530]

What "year of desktop linux" really means is that hardware support will no longer be an issue. You will no longer have to check whether you printer or webcam works with linux before buying it.

[@GSBarlev]

Hardware incompatibility is much less of a thing these days, with every webcam and mic I've seen being recognized OOTB with standard drivers. In terms of specialty hardware, if it's got a large community, _somone_ will have made a package to use it in Linux (I was surprised to learn today this includes the Elgato Stream Deck!). The only things I've had issues with in recent years are fingerprint sensors (as ​@@manitoba-op4jx said) and extremely niche RGB (OpenRGB works for the rest).

[@VincentW2]

​@@manitoba-op4jxa basic hardware security device should never be broken.

[@MegaLokopo]

For me it's software like the software for the stream deck, yea it works on linux mint after enough tinkering and copy and pasting commands from gemini into the terminal, but it is not at all the same experience even after the software is installed and working.

[@MegaLokopo]

@@VincentW2 there are a lot of should's when talking about linux.

[@wh0_am_152]

Nah just the webcam... Printers are a total mess no matter where you go.

[@deadfry42]

i hope this becomes a semi annual thing so we can check on the state of linux for casual users every now and then

[@GSBarlev]

It would be cool if there _were_ casual users doing The Linux Challenge. Like, imagine System76 mailing out fully loaded Thelio desktops to a bunch of content creators and streaming influencers. That would be huge.

[@dadudeme]

​@@fall1n1_ytWhat are you currently still having issues with?

[@parito5523]

@@fall1n1_yt Same. Linux is great for server-side tasks with no GUI, accessed remotely on something else, it's the most amazing system for that use case. But when it comes to using it on a personal computer with what one can expect in terms of GUI, it's less than ideal. I try it out every year, but I always run into a lot of issues on-op of the ones already mentioned in this video. For instance, on one of my laptops, the numpad simply won't work, no matter how much I tweak settings and that on many different distros. While people say Linux is more efficient than Windows, that hasn’t been my experience on any of laptops. On every Linux distro I've tried across multiple laptops, battery life is cut to 70% or even in half compared to Windows. Then you look online, and people suggest installing and tweaking various things to improve efficiency (for throttling cpu etc). But that ends up being a huge time sink-time that could be better spent on actual work or entertainment. Another example is the trackpad. On a same exact laptop, the trackpad sensitivity varies wildly between apps. In Firefox, it's overly sensitive and at the same time in libre office, it's barely responsive, then comes the default gnome apps which respond normally. Again, the solution you can find online is to tweak settings in Firefox or adjust some configuration files through the command-line, but again, what a time waste for something so basic that should work out of the box. Overall, using Linux on a personal computer often feels like, "Yes, it can do this, and yes, it can do that, but only after you tweak these random settings or install this other thing that you should definitely have known about and is competely stupid to not be aware of" And these settings aren't typically accessible easily either, they require knowledge of specific terminal commands (the greatest lie of linux being that in most case you won't need this but that's not true). Having a trackpad that works consistently is something every basic user want, having a decent battery life is something that every user want, but the user need to tweak sudo install some random stuff from the terminal then tweak some conf files through the terminal to even have that. Then when you show things like this in linux forums, people say, if you have terribel battery life, or weird behavior, it's because you using the "wrong" distro which is any distro that's not what they personally use, or use some lightweight distros that are complete total downgrade in terms of modern UX in contrast to windows or macOS. I’d rather spend my time actually using my computer than tweaking it just to achieve basic things like avoiding battery drain, screen glitches, random crashes, audio stopping working out of nowhere, driver issues, and all sort of other smalls issues that come and go every few hours or days. For reference, my current laptop (with windows 10) has been running for almost three weeks without any stability problems. I have multiple apps open, including VScode, many Edge tabs, Thunderbird, and more that I open and close as I need. When I'm not using the laptop, I just close the lid, and when I want to resume, I just open it, and it works perfectly. When I try the same on Linux, the system becomes unstable after just a day or 2. Sometimes, even the lock screen stops responding and crashes (this one is specific to Gnome).

[@gruntaxeman3740]

@@fall1n1_yt In reality it is opposite. Windows has been catching up. Back in late 00s Windows was just garbage and required huge amount of maintenance. Windows issues were fixed together as Windows got PDF support, and Java applets, Flash player etc. garbage were removed from web. Windows has been ok in desktop since Windows 10 when applications can be installed from Windows store and businesses were moved to web apps.

[@JR-uy2nd]

Content creators are not casual users. They are heavy users of adobe programs, and apart from premiere and after effects, Linux doesn't have a real alternative to them.

[@deadmagnet6318]

the future of linux looks bright, i cant wait for the year of the linux desktop (its next year)

[@daysejones968]

always has been

[@coneh2]

is always gonna be next year until microsoft fucks up windows to a point of no return

[@susamogus11111]

​@@coneh2 Even if Micro$oft does that, nobody will move to Linux. The normies are too used to Wind0ws to ever switch to anything else. Linux is designed for nerds, so until we fix Linux's "Problems", Wind0ws will stay on top of the consumer market.

[@davidebalsano6741]

​@@susamogus11111most have no idea about linux, which is why people think that 16GB of ram is a minimum.

[@cyberturkey77]

@@susamogus11111 even if its a 40/60 split its still a win

[@renealbrechtsen9743]

I've been using Linux permanently since around May and it has basically been flawless.

[@1pcfred]

I doubt that'll last. I've been using Linux for 29 years now and it's been pretty good overall but I can't say it's been flawless. Most problems were ones I made for myself though. As time goes on you can get better at not breaking stuff. You learn what not to do.

[@jarod1701]

What have you been doing with it so far?

[@renealbrechtsen9743]

@@jarod1701 Mostly gaming and the games I play run without issues. Including wow and other mmo's like that.

[@jarod1701]

@@renealbrechtsen9743 So nothing complex. No wonder it went flawless then.

[@16BitDungeon]

@@jarod1701 So like a normal user. People just use their PCs for gaming and internet. 95% of users it's flawless.

[@autohmae]

11:08 let's remember, on Windows this means: you need to mess around in the registry, which technically has a GUI tool, but well, it's at least as technical as a command line.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Personally I find registry edits are just as confusing as using a terminal when you first start, maybe even more so due to a lack of good documentation

[@autohmae]

@@BrodieRobertson for people not familiar with it, both are black magic. Every application has it's own way, registry settings you need to know, hopefully well documented or hopefully a config file which has documented settings. I think what is more common is to have all the default settings in a config file disabled, unlike a lot of program's registry settings do not include all the default settings.

[@yigitorhan7654]

@@BrodieRobertson At least one can "--help" a terminal command. The registry has no "HKEYWHATEVER --help".

[@3rdalbum]

Oh God yes. Working around a bug in Microsoft Office by "edit this registry key" was not fun for this Linux user.

[@sysbofh]

@@BrodieRobertson The registry is way worse. With command line, "man" is your friend. With the registry... well, one can always put that arcane soup and pray for the better.

[@RoyaltyInTraining.]

My experience with switching to Linux was unreasonably smooth because: - I was already a huge CS nerd back then - I had already switched to open source software on Windows - I had all the time in the world to learn how things work - I had an all-AMD system - I got in right when Wayland and Pipewire support was starting to skyrocket - I didn't need to worry about any important data on my drives which terminal mishaps might delete

[@justanotherpxrson]

Yup that sounds literally perfect lol

[@autohmae]

"I had already switched to open source software on Windows" Thus is a huge step and the one I recommend, don't switch to Linux first, switch your applications and work flow first and then you are independent of when to switch.

[@TwistedMe13]

@@autohmae I would also recommend using Virtualbox to shop around regarding Distros so you find which UI of a chosen fork works best for you along with getting comfortable using that Distro's terminal and package manager.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

​@@autohmae あっぷ

[@jaynayk1176]

​@@autohmae can definitely agree. Its just sad that some of the apps windows power users are used to, like 7-zip and vlc, are either not the default for beginner distros, or are only available in cli.

[@happygofishing]

discord not supporting wayland unironically probably stops a lot of people from using linux, the day that they eventually update their electron version will be a great one.

[@Deinorius]

What's the problem with using forks like Webcord ... besides people not knowing anything about it?

[@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX]

@@Deinorius Technically it's against ToS, and you could be banned for using a third-party client, although I haven't witnessed anything of the sort myself.

[@Person01234]

@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX Discord can suck my ass I'll stop using vesktop when they make audio streaming work on linux. If a fucking third party can do it they have no excuse.

[@kanavyre]

Don't use stock Discord, it's garbage on Windows and especially garbage on Linux. Vencord uses electron and is a significantly better experience on both Windows and Linux. And for Android users, there's Aliucord.

[@happygofishing]

@@Deinorius i dont trust some jank thirdparty client.

[@leonidas14775]

As someone who uses GIMP regularly, I'll admit that photoshop has a far more intuitive UI design. eg. Having to press enter to make a selection with no prompt to do so felt like I discovered a cheat code in a video game.

[@SussyBaka-nx4ge]

As someone that uses GIMP regularly, Krita is the more mature FOSS offering. GIMP was promising when I started using Linux in 2005 but it's been in development hell since and doesn't deserve the mindshare it has.

[@phoenixrising4995]

Everyone talks about GIMP as the only editor. Personally, Photopea and Krita are more feature rich and more palatable to work with.

[@zxq_5]

Krita is far better IMO

[@no_name4796]

Damn, lots are suggesting Krita. And i just google it and it is a kde app. Seriously, we should be fucking thankful for kde existance, otherwise TOOOOOONS of good apps, which made linux a valid alternative wouldn't even exist! Krita, okular, kdenlive, and tons other apps That's also why i used to be a gnome fun, and now gnome is unusable for me (currently i install a kde distro, and then install and use hyprland. Kde has everything you won't even need, but somehow autotiling is not yet a feature lol)

[@PropaneWP]

I recently tried to crop some images in GIMP and I did not find a way to make a selection, except for dragging from the *middle* of my selection and outwards. It felt more clunky than what it needs to be. Is there really no way to make a selection by dragging from a corner?

[@bdeblier]

Linux user since 1998 and Unix user since 1987.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Similar - was building and administering SCO UNIX machines some time around 1990 and first loaded Linux (Slackware) around 1997. Now Gentoo only since 2003.

[@mallninja9805]

That's super 🙂

[@bdeblier]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Gentoo since 2004 as daily driver.

[@DJDocsVideos]

I think people like us who come from a real OS don't count. The problem is to get windows users out of there very limited mindset. Let's face it most of 'em are too young to remember that Windows was just a GUI slapped on top of MS-DOS. Windows became a real OS with Windows NT 3.1 back in 1993 when microsoft decided last minute to release it with the Windows 3.1 UI instead of the OS/2 one and IBM released there own Desktop OS with OS/2 Warp in 1994.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@DJDocsVideos Sure, no argument from but I really don't care what they do, as long as it doesn't affect what I do. Case in point is the majority that run Chrome browser today that can't do anything about blocking ads. If Google is happy that, say, 90% of browser users are taking ads then they will probably leave the 10% of us using Firefox ad blockers alone. And I thank the Chrome users for making such a sacrifice so I can remain ad free!

[@alexanderdelguidice4660]

Quite a few "trying linux" videos I've seen have had people complaining about something and it turns out to just be a gnome problem. This is why I hate gnome, it's not a bad desktop, they just refuse to fix things which push people away from linux.

[@bilbobagend8155]

I like gnome for my laptop. The way you can so easily manage your workspaces through touchpad gestures is wonderful. It's like a good version of Windows 8. I couldn't imagine using it on my actual desktop though, especially with how it handles windows.

[@harpskid]

KDE has problems, XFCE has problems, Cinnamon has problems. All these n00bz should just use their computer with a minimal openbox setup as good intended.

[@ToyKeeper]

Gnome has been causing a ton of problems ever since Gnome 3 was created to imitate the notoriously unpopular Windows 8 desktop. Wayland causes a ton of problems too. Both are broken by design, taking a wrecking ball to the ecosystem and expecting everyone else to rebuild in its wake, all because corporations want Linux to be more like Windows or Android.

[@TwistedMe13]

@@ToyKeeper I hate to sound like a Wayland apologist but considering the migraine-inducing gordian knot the X code base became I can understand why they burned their ships behind them. What I can't understand in the slightest is the ludicrous amount of bikeshedding that is still keeping Wayland from progressing beyond an Alpha product.

[@ToyKeeper]

@@TwistedMe13 Wayland's slow progress is because it's a deeply flawed design by people who didn't understand the assignment, and they're very stubborn. Important core functionality is not just missing, but outright forbidden.

[@omarmagdy1075]

The situation in Linux is kind of paradoxical companies won't waste developers time to fully support Linux and people don't want to use an OS without proper software support so we have this kind of circular dependency. The way I see it that in recent years most work can be done on a browser any way so that might change the game a little bit and with gaming on Linux being better than ever this could attract a lot of gamers this could also bring better streaming software support. And when windows 10 gets discontinued next year there may be a good surge in Linux market share. Overall the future is bright imo we'll get there slowly but surely.

[@TheCurtisnixon]

most open source hardware support isn't done by the companies anyway...

[@marschallblucher6197]

Not to mention that with gaming, it's so much easier to target Proton comparability than to target Linux directly or all the major distros.

[@GSBarlev]

That's why Proton was a gamechanger-it flipped the script! Notoriously for Unity games, I find the Windows versions run *better* than the native Linux builds these days.

[@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX]

I mean I think it has a lot to do with 1) Status quo and 2) Inherent laziness 1) Is obvious, people are likely not to change OSes for the same reason they don't change the default browser / search engine 2) Windows and MacOS are just inherently more user-friendly and works out-of-the-box. People will likely use this for the same reasons why most people use a third-party email provider rather than self-hosting. If the average human mindset was a curious one, maybe we'd get somewhere, but most people just want something that *just works*™ The diversity of the linux distro ecosystem is both a blessing and a curse. It's great that there's something out there for everybody, but imagine if all that community support were to be invested into an exceptionally stable, easy-to-use, customizeable, idiot-proof distro.

[@MrGamelover23]

​@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxXeveryone changes the default browser. I don't know how that ended up happening.

[@craigedwards2411]

Switched to Linux in 2002. I am not a hardcore user that knows everything in and out. I used to be into modding of the GUI and kernel compiling (not fun at all). Now, I just use Linux as my main productivity tool. I seldom touch the command line because the distros have become very good nowadays. I am blown away by projects like Proton! I can tell you that in the span of 22 years LINUX has matured SO much! And no, I do not go around and recommend people to try it. I am more of a "use whatever tool gets the job done" kinda guy. At work I even use Windows... I know... I will be called out as the full blown Heretic for this.

[@No-mq5lw]

Kernel compiling is not as easy as just installing a distro kernel, but I've observed that at times, people tend to overcomplicate it for themselves. Given how long you've been using Linux, menuconfig makes it pretty seamless. IME where things get wonky are stuff like ACPI sleep states and power saving/boosting.

[@StormWarningMom]

My job requires Windows, so even if I wanted to use Linux, I can't. I make do with what I'm given though, so 🤷 ya can't win em all

[@craigedwards2411]

@@No-mq5lw menuconfig... there was a time where I had to recompile so often that I was whizzing through all the menus knowing exactly what I wanted. Would not do that again, too lazy now.

[@craigedwards2411]

@@StormWarningMom Yeah, same here. I just use whatever is given to me at any given time. It does not bother me if I use a Windows 10 laptop, deal with a Windows 2012 Server or with a company intranet that runs CentOS 5.6

[@lucidbasil9869]

@@No-mq5lw Some of that stems from developers using Microsoft's buggy ACPI compiler that let bad code into production firmware.

[@fall1n1_yt]

I love how Livakivi has done 3 videos and it's the same result. Which is basically my experience for 10 years now.

[@EposVox]

Finally someone who can be honest about the Linux experience in the face of people having issues. Wish there had been more people like you for the last 20 years.

[@Duckly97]

Teksyndicate actually giving desktop Linux a fair shot and promoting it as a good alternative to his own audience was not on _any_ of my 202X bingo cards. The world is gonna end this decade.

[@harpskid]

Haven't heard that name in years. Wasn't he cancelled for fucked up stuff?

[@SemiDoge]

​@harpskid Ooh like what? Spill the tea.

[@griffin1366]

@@harpskid If I recall he stole pooled money for the channel to buy an expensive fursuit for his girlfriend pistol. Then Kane stole his workstation PC in retaliation. All I can remember tbh.

[@griffin1366]

He's been making rant videos about Windows along with customization tweaks / programs. It was inevitable for him to at least try Linux.

[@fourtey8816]

he made a video challenging people to try it in 2015 before all the drama and "CritTV" stuff I haven't watched Logan in years tbh when wendell left I went with

[@pcallycat9043]

The same can be said of the terminal in windows. When shit goes sideways, the terminal is your friend. We just have generations of users that have been trained to “when in doubt, reinstall” rather than fixing anything.

[@Makzevu]

Or, use the troubleshooting utilities. You just click fix, and it fixes (at least in my experience, most times).

[@GSBarlev]

This. When I got a Windows laptop for work, I spent more time in the terminal tweaking things and getting software running than I did outside. And it took me far more time and frustration than to set up my _next_ work computer-a completely blank Framework that I loaded with elementaryOS.

[@scrittle]

I'm that normie and what you're suggesting is the equivalent of casting magic. If I knew the first steps I'd try it, but not everyone was lucky enough to do computer science or grow up with Linux.

[@RadikaRules]

While true, there's no denying the CLI experience in Windows is a joke. They don't even have a text editor for it since the 16bit days! You just summon Notepad into opening whichever file you need, don't need to explain to you why that's not ideal. People dog on nano, but at least it's _something_

[@Ornithopter470]

​@@RadikaRulesnano is a perfectly serviceable text editor. It's no vi, and it's efr cry from the nightmare land that is emacs, but it's perfectly functional.

[@Jacob6853]

The learning curve for avg use is not nearly as high as before, things work better out of box than when I switched in 2008. And the Steam Proton got a bunch of my gamer friends to join over the last few years.

[@roccociccone597]

I switched in 2015 and even I had a significantly harder time. It was around the time wifi drivers were becoming less of an issue. I installed it on my laptop that did infact not have wifi drivers so getting it to run was a massive pain.

[@sergeykish]

I've switched in 2006, there was no Flash, a lot of web depended on it. In 2010 Chrome shipped Flash player and KZbin introduced HTML5 video. Ubuntu install looked pretty, much better than Windows XP install. The hard part was getting to work mobile phone Internet over USB (PPP).

[@OutLanderUSN]

I remember reading about it years ago and was too lazy to try it. I've been running Fedora 40 for close to a month now and it is so much nicer than Windows. I'm hoping I can get my buddies to give it a legitimate shot; the only hangups will likely be those few remaining who insist on playing CoD and Battlefield. They'll likely feel that dual booting just won't be worth it.

[@toby9999]

@@OutLanderUSN Nicer in what way? Real ways, or Linux fanboy propaganda ways? I might have worded that in a strange way, but I think you'll get what I mean.

[@OutLanderUSN]

@@toby9999 It works, it doesn't reenable settings you disable after an update, it doesn't push you toward a cloud service or one specific browser. It's far more customizable, uses far less resources, and doesn't randomly decide to ramp up CPU and RAM usage for no reason when you're not doing anything overly stressful.

[@chomskysfavefive]

Something that doesnt get brought up very often when it comes to gaming is mods. Modding is sometimes difficult, sometimes impossible, and rarely is it quick and simple. I applaud Larian and Bethesda for making in-game mod managers.

[@angulion]

About the terminal.. Very often when someone has some problem and asks for help on a forum, the reply is in the form of some shell commands. This is because it is precise, text formated and usually is less distro and DE specific. No N+1 screenshots where to click, screenshots of current settings etc.. People that have used linux for some time have learned the efficiency of the terminal.

[@sysbofh]

Yes. It's almost copy and paste. Go try this with GUI... Even on Windows. Have You see the number of screenshots we need, just to do " or or "? Time and again I get myself using the command line for something I know how to do in the GUI. It's just faster.

[@OutLanderUSN]

I've been purposely trying to learn how to effectively use the terminal since I started using Linux for this very reason. The gui is nice to have when navigating around the computer, but when I need to do something more complicated for whatever reason the terminal just makes more sense.

[@angulion]

To add, having admined quite a bit of linux servers, it just is very repeatable. Change these 5 settings on 50 servers, I can bet that on one you did something different if through a GUI.. Lunch break in the middle and one server got one thing left out or something.. Not in the shell. (also, if you have to repeat anything 3+ times, write a script)

[@denyskovshun9960]

I saw a random video with experience of switching to Linux due to locking of a hand bought device. The most useful thing I've learned is that people don't care about the OS. If at some point all PCs come with Linux, half of the users won't understand the difference, half will be too lazy to switch back to Windows.

[@Novacification]

It would require Linux to reach a point where it's good enough to be preinstalled though, so in that sense it's a self-fulfilling statement.

[@tomirab]

@@Novacification I'd say it has already reached this point for the casual users who don't use any Windows-only software and struggle with installing their own software / hardware even on Windows. I've been installing Linux on the private laptops/PCs of my family members / friends at work and it actually greatly decreased the number of tech issues I was called to fix. All they use is a web browser (including Netflix, e-mail and Google Docs), Spotify, an image browser and occasionally some casual games (solitaire, match-3, etc.) light photo editing program, Libre Office (or SoftMaker FreeOffice), code scanners or printers. The catch is, I have to set it up according to their preferences, but I had been doing that back when they had Windows/macOS anyway. The problem is when a person needs some special software / hardware for their work, or they are hardcore gamers who don't want to be bogged down with latency when using e-sport games under Proton, have games that are just not Linux-compatible yet, or don't want to be arsed with installing games using Wine/Proton, which can sometimes be a pain.

[@1KiloDepartment]

I've seen some prebuild PCs in stores that come with some Linux distro preinstalled. And of course on online stores you can find way more than that, like Installation CDs and mini-PCs (not laptops!) build for a light distro! Note about those Linux PCs in stores: There are claims that due to some agreements, such PCs in stores may be more expensive. It may be a regional thing though aka regulation dependent. Also just a reminder that while a Windows PC may be cheaper, it does come with extra cost of the Windows license. You could try to refund it for an even cheaper PC, but people tried it years ago and it didn't work :P

[@SaHaRaSquad]

​@@Novacification Windows just has to continue its trajectory. Linux is very slowly getting better and it has to, but Windows is also getting worse and everyone has a breaking point. That's why I switched. I had no reason to switch to Linux for years because Windows just worked really reliably. Until it didn't and a Win10 update installed overnight broke everything for the second time within months.

[@ukcc1]

The lack of PCs that people can just buy with Linux installed from large online retailers or high st stores is one of the biggest barriers to mainstream Linux adoption. The reason why the Linux gaming share has risen so much is because the stream deck comes with Linux preinstalled with everything working. If the steam deck were sold with Windows by default even if it was a much shitter gaming experience than SteamOS, only a fraction of people would bother installing SteamOS on it if it meant having to download an ISOs, write it onto USB sticks, go into the bios to alter the boot config on the device,, going through installers etc.

[@wagyourtai1]

here's how I learned linux: * did cyberpatriot in highschool * helped my friend install arch over spring break in college * install arch to my laptop a year later during a random class while I was bored * dual boot to windows like 1 time a month when I need to use something that doesn't work on linux * never look back

[@zxq_5]

Oh nice cyberpatriot, I did cybercenturions during 6th form (British highschool equivalent)and it was pretty fun I basically did all the same stuff as you but I got rid of the windows dual boot like a year ago since arch has everything I need

[@xanderplayz3446]

How I learned linux: * windows broke multiple times * reinstalled windows * had to install MSYS2 for gcc, learned coreutils, bash, pacman * got fed up with programming on windows * installed manjaro * never looked back 1 year later: * switched to arch repos

[@akeem2983]

Here's how I learned linux: * Heard the news about Windows 11 * Got shocked by the heck of a lot of unwanted stuff that it does * Asked a question to myself "Is there some kind of plan B?" * Installed Linux on a spare separate drive * Spent some time tinkering around with Linux, reinstalling different distros and figuring out what can I do with them * When I felt that I'm ready, made Linux my main system

[@kuroshite]

Here's how I learnt Linux: - I was 12 and was frustrated with Binbows. - I wanted to hack into my neighbour's WiFi. - I got Kali and learnt some basics and I daily-drove it for a few months. - I made a Linux wizard friend (they actually use Gentoo). They told me to stop using Kali because it's not meant to be used like this. - They gave me options like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc. I was always curious about Arch, so I asked them. They warned me it's going to be a steep learning curve (spoiler: it was) but told me it's not as difficult as people exaggerate it to be (it's not!). - I got used to reading wikis and forums very early on and I got over the steep part of the learning curve without much time and without realising. - I've been daily-driving it for 5 years now! And I have tried out more distros, however, none have been as good as Arch. I actually have control over my hardware and it's actually realiable unlike Binbows. I've learnt shit tons just by solving problems I've encountered and others' problems only by wikis and forums. I help in many support groups now.

[@Aisling-t4x]

Oh, we are so back

[@LiamMcBride]

Windows 11 is the worst. I was okay with Windows 10. Just switched back to arch after a long time on Fedora Linux.

[@johnknight9150]

One of Valve's really big contributions is just cutting through nonsense ("we should do things this way... no this way!") and kicking Linux into shape. Third party packaging, and just settling on using Flatpak for instance, is a great example. It's not my favourite, but it'll do, and now that ecosystem is thriving. There is one big advantage to a general-public-all-computers SteamOS: standardisation. It gives outside developers a more realistic target, and other distros will have to take notice of the SteamOS way of doing things when making decisions. (And hopefully move on from the Ubuntu way of doing things, but that's a whole other topic!)

[@doveofdestiny]

0:10 dankpods!

[@maritoguionyo]

Yes!

[@kevinsimmons5481]

I've been a Linux home server user for many years. And I dabbled in Linux desktop, but never committed. Until copilot. I decided I was done with it, and switch. I think I've been full time Linux for 3 months. And all I can say is, it's good enough. I'm using PopOS and it works for me. I have zero interest in distro hopping. But I am looking forward to their cosmic desktop to hit production.

[@-SaKage]

Funny enough I switched to LM just before Recall was announced, then I had even more reason to stay Linux and ditch windows with the EOS of W10

[@1pcfred]

When you're new distro hopping can expose you to things you might not otherwise see. The major problem with Linux is context. Initially users have none. When you're starting out with nothing then nothing is all you have. It's hard to light a fire if you don't even have two sticks to rub together. You need something. As time goes on we all pick things up.

[@kevinsimmons5481]

@@1pcfred I did my fair share of distro hopping when I was using Linux desktop as a hobby on a side machine. When I decided to commit to moving I chose PopOS because I don't want to make decisions that I am not good at. I don't want to cobble together my own UI/ux on arch using Wayland, hyprland, some x11 whatever the heck. I'll still try distros or desktops in vm's, I have a dedicated proxmox server with GPU passthrough, and can give them a real test. But my primary machine will remain PopOS until another company provides something that seems more stable and usable out of the box

[@1pcfred]

@@kevinsimmons5481 how will you know who provides what if you do not try things? You must have some kind of ESP related to these matters.

[@kevinsimmons5481]

@@1pcfred I found someone who can't read.

[@Vyrlokar]

One of the reasons why many times it's recommended to use the terminal is that the GUI stuff can depend on the desktop environment you use and what parts of it you have installed, how you , but the terminal based solution is basically universal (or universal within that distro family, that is, Debian based, RHEL based, etc). It's often much easier to tell someone to copy/paste something on the terminal than to make a 10 layer deep tree structure that depends on what distro, desktop environment, version of said desktop environment, etc to find how to do something with a GUI (and for many things, the GUI might not exist because why bother)

[@stefanalecu9532]

You could make the same argument about Windows and its terminal, since you've got a billion things under the hood that could be different and PowerShell can save you. It's just that Windows people figured out how to make GUI solutions instead of cosplaying as a 70s mainframe

[@Violettica5000]

@@stefanalecu9532 Windows is arguably cheating in this aspect since the GUI design language is roughly the same no matter what Windows computer you're using. It's a monolithic architecture. I cannot go and install Hyprland in Windows (easily) and this is by design. In Linux, GUI variety is the rule, not the exception.

[@michaelwright2986]

True, and its a very old problem. I would sometimes informally help friends, sometimes over the phone. In the days of MS-DOS, easy enough: "Type these letters, don't worry what they mean." I thought phone support for a GUI would be impossible, but you can do it if you're using the same UI. Which is true for Windows, except between, say 7 and 10.

[@1pcfred]

I've tried to follow GUI instructions even on Windows and it's an absolute mess. How do you describe that some button or icon looks like or where exactly it is and what if it isn't there? Commands are cut and dried. Even if the example isn't exactly what you need you can edit it to be in a straightforward and logical manner.

[@dlsisson1970]

As a relative new user my experience was different. I ran into many issues where a terminal command wouldn't work because different distros use different repositories. One forum may say to run "apt install.." another may say "dnf..." or "yay", etc. Obviously I learned what each distro uses and made sure I was looking in the correct forum for my distro eventually (oof). But my point is that you still have to keep in mind the differences. Taking a few minutes to ask which distro and DE they use to better guide them using the gui isn't that much of an ask imo. Most new users just stick to the default things the DE installs for you. And usually the gui isn't *usually* going to completely break your system if you misclick.

[@Velkanis]

I just wanna put a little caveat to dankpods video: the man saying that stuff about the steam deck and steamOS highlights what many people have pointed out, valve did tons of work to make the deck a seamless and cohesive experience for the most part! which id argue is one of the mayor advantages/flaws of linux...

[@roccociccone597]

I guess this is Valve's chane to also expand into non portable "Consoles". Basically some sff computers with Steam OS installed.

[@OutLanderUSN]

@@roccociccone597 TBF, they tried that once already and it didn't take off. It's what spawned Big Picture Mode. If I remember correctly it failed due to lackluster hardware and competing with the Shield and everyone saying "if I want to do this I'll just hook up my computer to my TV".

[@Batwam0]

The steamOS/SteamDeck experience illustrates the value of having compatible hardware to guarantee a smooth experience.… same way all PC shipped are checked for compatibility with Windows. Once you have compatible hardware, the rest is much easier.

[@autohmae]

The SteamDeck is like an Apple computer with Apple software.

[@Batwam0]

@@autohmae yeah, they make sure the software is optimised for the hardware selected but SteamOS is openSource right?

[@autohmae]

@@Batwam0 Yes, correct and correct.

[@bluesillybeard]

Totally agree on the "Don't go all in" thing. If you go all in without a backup plan, at least for now, you're guaranteed to screw something up and end up in a seriously problematic situation.

[@roccociccone597]

I think even if 5% of winodws users decided even to just dual boot it would be better than if nobody ever chose Linux in the first place. I really just want that marketshare to get higher.

[@1pcfred]

I recommend new users start off with live sessions. I tell them run them all. As every distro will show them something different. Then one day when you feel ready do an install. They're probably not still ready but at least they have some experience under their belt. Jumping into Linux cold is dumb.

[@rizzwan-42069]

Like get a vm or something

[@mattihaapoja8203]

​@@roccociccone597Dual boots can be trickier to install which is problematic for new users. I was always worried of messing up my Windows. Otherwise Its great. I do my school work on windows but use linux for everything else. (Arch, btw)

[@schrenk-d]

I am a Linux user of over 25 years now. Started a copy of Redhat Linux (before RHEL) I bought with a massive tome with the free disk in the back (Linux Unleashed from memory) I would try and run it exclusively from 2000 onwards. With some short spells of Windows (around windows 7 times) due to work commitments. The only windows machines in my house are when I have a client that doesn't support Linux in their environment. All gaming PCs are Linux. Things I'd like to work on when I get time. Get sim racing gear support in kernel for fanatec/moza hardware. (Logitech isn't too bad, but needs some work) Work on systems like FreeCAD and KiCad to make their UI's and features better. Continue to build a business community around open source.

[@cameronbosch1213]

11:05 *Flashbacks to xfconfig in the XFree86 days.*

[@RadikaRules]

_Stock horror scream_

[@autohmae]

Please don't remind me.

[@DanTDMJace]

no n0 nO NO

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@RadikaRules More like _Psycho shower scene music._

[@legendboyAni]

AAC not even supported in the paid version of DaVinchi

[@cameronbosch1213]

That's why I don't use it. I'll take Kdenlive and all of the lack of features in the FOSS tool over a paid propietary option that isn't even feature complete!

[@AndRei-yc3ti]

@@cameronbosch1213 what features does kdenlive lack?

[@aldebaran0_]

​@@cameronbosch1213tbf its not really davinci's fault. its a proprietary codec

[@legendboyAni]

@@cameronbosch1213 only not having one thing which you can get around by converting AAC to any other format or not record in AAC in the first place does not mean davinchi is bad actully davinchi is one of the best, and supporting AAC is not in there hand bcz AAC licence doesn't support linux so if they use it AAC ppl can go after blackmagic and that is why they can't but they do want to support

[@uis246]

Generally OPUS should be used instead

[@mobilex1122]

Hi! I'm linux user for around 6-7 years as my first ever pc was not powerful enough to run windows. As a user who uses linux for most of his life I just got used to the linux systems and now I can't imagine my self using windows. I started with Debian then switched around a lot's of distros after lending at Arch and EOS. I also switched to Hyprland and yes drag and drop is pain so I just got used to copy pasting file paths to file dialogs. Also PS for all linux beginners: Arch Wiki is good source for almost all distro just make sure you use the correct install commands for your distro.

[@blockshift758]

It's a moral duty to either pirate Adobe or avoid it overall

[@sysbofh]

Avoid. Pirating You are using it. By using it, You add to its value and market share. Avoid if possible.

[@purplevanilla]

​@@sysbofhThen what alternatives can I use instead of Adobe? Also I'am broke so I need free softwares to use 😅

[@sysbofh]

@@purplevanilla I don't know - I don't work on this field. It may very well be impossible for You to avoid. But the situation didn't change: by using it You are adding to the software popularity.

[@GalderaVG]

@@purplevanilla for photoshop there is krita, gimp, and clip studio paint. For an alternative to premiere pro there is davinci resolve and capcut (which is really just for tiktoks).

[@Hardixm]

@@purplevanilla nah they aint getting any profit,use it

[@orbatos]

If you are new, use a well supported distro, yes that means Ubuntu or derivatives like POP. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but if you don't already know how to use Linux start in easy mode.

[@tantgron4real]

I use Pop! ...btw? ;)

[@LordHonkInc]

Agreed. Mostly because the large distros are what are generally targeted by third parties (I can't count the number of tutorials that just assume you'll "apt get" to install a program) and the communities are larger, leading to you finding solutions more quickly. I started out with Fedora (a long while ago) and the fedora forum was a very helpful and accommodating space to ask stupid beginner questions. Again, that's experience from more than a decade ago so YMMV, but yeah, find you a popular distro to get started, and once you're comfortable working with it and notice things that aren't to your liking, _that's_ when you can start thinking about comparing the features of more niche distros.

[@theautomaticfiend]

mint

[@Arcidi225]

Choose desktop environment first. Distro is less important, I would say. That said, if you are up for the challenge and you like doing things with your computer, I would consider going straight for something arch based like endeavour. It's just going to save you a lot of time, as most problems you will have will eventually lead you to arch wiki, and then you have to try adapt the solution to your distro. But only if you love learning, love doing stuff on your PC that is not work, and up for the challenge.

[@orbatos]

@@Arcidi225 It's the opposite. Your DE barely has any relationship with what distro you run. The only difference is what installs by default. Also "easy mode" for most people is going to be either KDE, Gnome, or lxde if they're on an older system. These are available in full for every distro and one will be pre-installed on most. Kubutu and Ubuntu are the same distro. POP with KDE, Gnome or Cosmic in the future are all the same distro. Also there is zero reason to throw a new use into anything other than KDE or Gnome. This isn't ideological, it's about giving them a system they can use immediately, they can install something else later.

[@TechDregs]

I was actually kind of surprised by the Davinci Resolve segment. I've installed it on like 3 or 4 different distros and it's worked on all of them. You do have to install some dependencies and move get rid of some of their old libraries that they ship with it, but otherwise it's been very stable and performs well. AAC isn't supported even in the paid version though. So, I record in Opus in OBS and transcode all my camera footage just as a normal process now. Export to MOVs, since Resolve only allows AAC audio with MP4s. IDK, I just didn't feel like it was a big deal to adjust, once I realized what I needed to do. This is all on Wayland with Nvidia drivers. Idk how I've dodged all the issues people saw, but at least the video editing side of things has been one of the easiest parts of the transition to Linux for me.

[@lifefromscratch2818]

I think part of what feeds the terminal thing is that if you google "how to do X on linux" when you need to figure something out, you're going to get CLI information, even if it can be done through a GUI somewhere. This is probably driven by there being so many distros and not enough users that you can't be more picky than "guides for Debian based distros" and the CLI is consistent even if the GUI's are all different. But it still makes it feel overall like learning how to use the terminal is the most profitable course, but it's a steep learning....cliff...

[@Henrik_Holst]

It's also 10000x easier to write a guide for the terminal. For GUI's it's a long tedious list of screen shots, or you have to describe it in text (which is way worse).

[@lifefromscratch2818]

@@Henrik_Holst I can imagine that is so. But it makes Linux pretty hard to separate from the need to learn to use the Terminal.

[@Henrik_Holst]

@@lifefromscratch2818 true, but then at the same time one major benefit of Linux is that it has a great terminal. I understand that Windows people with experience from cmd.exe are having nightmares, but if one want to do anything beyond the basic then a proper terminal is a god send.

[@ukcc1]

Android is very fragmented with their UI these days with lots of differences in where to find settings even on the same Android version because of manufactures adding their own skin on the top. So its not an issue unique to Linux.

[@nanobye]

4:20 i feel like i should clarify: Resolve doesnt support AAC on Linux *AT ALL*. H.264 / H.265 _are_ only available in Resolve Studio.

[@Riley.z28]

When I switched to Arch from windows a year ago I had no idea what I was doing and probably should’ve went with something easier… But I really wanted to use Arch and I did mess around with Manjaro long before switching just to check Linux out. I just chose a weekend and forced my self to install Arch and yea it took me all weekend and yea I’ve broken my install 3 times but now that I’ve learn’t from my mistakes, I’ve been so much happier than I’ve ever been with windows and will never go back.

[@FatDawlf]

2024 was the year of the linux desktop Not the suddenly going mainstream way, just that people are now aware of linux, and it's being demystified And also the enshittification of windows making people look for alternatives I'm hopeful that it'll keep this upward trend moving forward, there's something really special about the state Linux is in right now There are issues, but their numbers and severity are shrinking as time goes on

[@1pcfred]

1995 was the year of the Linux desktop for me. Everyone's year is going to be different and often not at all.

[@PropaneWP]

My experience with Linux after a couple of years is that there's quite a lot of edge cases. When you need to fix something, you need to do quite a lot of detective work. You also need to make very sure that the search results you are getting aren't outdated. And if you do find some recent solution, there's still a good chance that the solution is wrong and that applying it will bork your computer even further. I've experienced finding several possible solutions and neither were right. You can go on forums and try ask for help, but it's very tedious and not guaranteed to work. Chances are, you'll end up looking at a closed thread with no resolution. Often the answer is "oh yeah, that's just bugged", and no solution is provided. The bottom line is that if you're using Linux, your hobby kind of needs to be operating systems. At least if you want to do anything beyond bog standard stuff.

[@fooboomoo]

Absolutely, I keep a huge Readme that covers all the stuff I need to tweak Manjaro with so I have a usable system that does all the things I need for work. Thankfully my experience is that once something is figured out it will keep working well for a while. But it's surely not something you can expect the average user to do

[@Ornithopter470]

​@@fooboomooI'd actually really like to see your readme. Base Manjaro has been pretty fine for me.

[@giusdb]

Yes and no. You have to know the type of distribution you are using and the version, and yes, you have to learn to guess if that advice is usable. And no, the same thing happened to me with windows, for a specific problem, I found tons of solutions, in conflict with each other, for many different versions of windows. On one system I applied the proposed solutions and it was a bloodbath. On another, I thought, if I do it totally differently and from linux maybe it works, 5 minutes, solved. And yes, in linux it is more common to go hunting for solutions.

[@autohmae]

The answer on Windows is often: just re-install as the last option, because some setting is wrong and we are to lazy to figure out which one it is.

[@budgetarms]

So true, there needs to be an easy to use, good looking OS, like windows 10/11, but then you still have the problems of compatibility, which can't really be fixed properly, wine sucks, so yeah ....

[@LorenzoDM]

Thanks Recall for being the best Linux Ads Ever 😎

[@budgetarms]

so many people care about privacy, that is why you have a youtube channel, . . .

[@LorenzoDM]

@budgetarms exactly! I have a KZbin channel for computer science dissemination to raise awareness among people on the topic of privacy, data, and the conscious use of digital tools! Thanks 😉

[@Sithhy]

The thing about Recall is that many more people will be using it than it will drive away to Linux (or MacOS) because the vast majority of the population doesn't care about their privacy, especially when it can be exchanged for convenience which is what Recall is

[@budgetarms]

@@Sithhy so true

[@matt66146]

​@@Sithhy They also won't care because the worry of recall is largely fud. It doesn't affect anyone who isn't buying a special copilot PC to begin with and there is no reason to believe the functionality itself will be unable to be disabled. And no. Turning off recall and removing the recall package completely are not the same thing.

[@deadnightwarrior1976]

Here's my experience: - I've been using Windows for nearly 30 years - I've been learning Linux basics for a reasonable time at work and / or in VMs - I love Win10 but hate Win11 - I'm therefore seriously thinking of making the switch (to something like Mint, Kubuntu, PopOS, ZorinOS - I don't care, I like them all and I have an all AMD machine) - BUT, some apps / games are just NOT available in Linux, in any shape or form. It's either Windows or die. This is why I still haven't switched. Plain and simple. I'm not the only one using this PC and, as everyone else in my family couldn't care less about Linux, I must be very careful and make absolutely sure those games and apps will still be accessible. I'm actually researching how to have a fully working Windows VM with GPU passthrough and near native performance. If and when I'll manage to achieve this goal without too much headache, then I'll make the switch. Until then, or until we have the likes of MS Office and MS Store exclusives work natively on Linux, I'll have to stick to Win10.

[@alexlowe2054]

This is what's holding me back. I'm a software dev, so I'm reasonably comfortable troubleshooting insane bugs using the terminal. But besides the usual light computer tasks that work fine on Linux, I play a lot of games. And a wide variety of games. If you have one specific game you always play, Linux might be a viable OS. But if you dabble in dozens of games, prefer smaller indie games, or want to play AAA games close to release, you're just out of luck on Linux. Indies don't have the development time to support Linux, and AAA games usually don't support Linux due to anti-cheat. Some games work on Linux, but gaming as a hobby is massively interior to Windows. That's the primary thing that's been blocking me from moving to Linux. If every single game in my Steam library worked flawlessly on Linux, I'd switch in a heartbeat. But there are so many "it works, but has bugs" issues that don't happen on Windows, and lots of "game not supported" and even getting "supported" games working is a massive amount more complicated, tedious, and error prone than just installing your game using Steam. I don't want to spend me time installing and debugging games. I spend enough time debugging production systems at work. When I get home, I want to play my games.

[@OutLanderUSN]

@@alexlowe2054 Sure, they may not run natively, and the setup might take some effort and everyone's experience is going to differ, but thanks to Proton most everything runs almost flawlessly in Linux. The general consensus is that the only things that don't work are the likes of CoD and Fortnite, due to the highly invasive anti-cheat. Check out the proton database for what you play; you might be surprised.

[@korakys]

Things I'm waiting for before I start hassling people to use linux: • Wayland transition fully complete. • Clear market leader distro I can point to (every leading distro seems to have a different thing holding it back). • "Immutable" distros ready for the mainstream (I don't know exactly how to assess this one yet because I don't yet use one myself).

[@framegrace1]

Vanilla OS "Orchid". Is the best and easier to use. I recomended it to a Linux Newbie as a joke, it tried it, and is super happy. Just say "It works like Android, from time to time you will have to upgrade and restart".

[@attilavs2]

- no - Mint - doesn't matter

[@sysbofh]

Why wait for the Wayland unicorn? Use X11 while it doesn't get ready. Maybe it isn't sexy, maybe it isn't edgy. But gets the work done. I should know, as I'm using it with an RTX3060 and NVidia drivers.

[@korakys]

​@@sysbofh I use Fedora KDE, when it switched over Wayland only I initially reinstalled X11 but it broke so many things. Sure, I could change to a different distro but after some digging I eventually fixed all my important wayland issues, so it's easier to not change distro.

[@rickyrodriguez4037]

I wonder if there could also be value in hardcore linux users doing a "switch to windows/mac" challenge. I think it could be educational and reveal a lot of benefits of linux to an audience who may not know what they are "missing" on linux. I personally use Pop! And the switchable autotiling is a massive boon to my computer productivity. Whenever I have to use windows or macos its annoying to have to deal with a messy stack of windows when I am trying to do a variety of tasks like development.

[@roccociccone597]

I've done this a couple times and for the most part switchig to mac feels like switching to a more locked down Linux distribution with a fancy GUI. Switching to windows feels like switching to the 9th circle of hell where everything is different starting from directory paths all the way to how annoying installing software is. Even with wignet it still sucks since it's just downloading and auto running the installer. And then there's the updates that literally always break something.

[@shubol3dgamer304]

Every time MS released a new Win, many people switched to Linux. And then 95% went back to MS. I want to believe that it will be different now, but it won't be. The majority will return to Win

[@zxq_5]

Its been 3 years since Windows 11 came out and they're not switching back. Just wait until Windows 12 releases... Just wait until Windows 10 goes EOL. That's when the fun really begins

[@deidyomega]

I am typing this on ubuntu; but linux has a looong way to go. Every few years I try and get my mom to switch to linux, and every time, something stupid stops the process. Last time? She wants a screensaver that shows pictures of her family and her trips. Waylands answer: You can't do that. My mom's response: Guess I'll use windows for another 5 years.

[@ThatLinuxDude]

​@@deidyomega Use Kubuntu - the lock screen in KDE Plasma, Kubuntu's flagship Desktop experience, literally allows that (and in the future will be able to even exit just like a screensaver on any input instead of requiring password input, via an upcoming lock screen setting).

[@draftofspasiba2]

As a prior +10y Windows user, I have to strongly disagree with you. Since the steam deck show up Linux has never been so good, and with windows 11 forcefully blocking people from using due to tpm2.0 requirements, it's pretty obvious that Microsoft Windows shine days are coming to an end.

[@avisprimey]

@@zxq_5 It'll be really fun! But also depressing, because 98% of the people that said "I'm switching to Linux once Windows 10 goes end-of-life" will go back on their word and buy a new computer just for Windows 11.

[@rimenahi]

I am a happy linux user.

[@jademonas]

im also switching to linux, i cannot handle microsoft anymore the only anchor software was photoshop, and it was a big deal since i draw pretty much every single day; and i finally managed to make krita a photoshop-like with plugins (to the point i cant tell the difference between art i made in krita and ps) im going to use cachyOS, and im very excited!

[@bobowon5450]

I am a complete amature linux user who had only nvidia computers and i don't have any of the issues i see these big tech channels having. I can use obs first try no tweaks needed, games work just fine with default proton or lutris settings. multi monitors work fine. only issue i have is in the workplace where our vpn profiles don't work

[@3rdalbum]

I think the OBS problems were related to Wayland. As an Nvidia graphics user your distro is probably falling back to X, since Nvidia's Wayland support is reputed to be pretty bad.

[@MK73DS]

Question: do you think the fact more and mode "casual" users are switching to Linux could be a huge threat to security? Currently not that many viruses and malware exist for Linux, but if one day 10%, 20%, 50% of people use Linux, you can be sure there will be a lot of them floating around. But these users aren't as knowledgeable about Linux as we (your audience) probably are and they'll run random scripts from the internet with sudo no problem. Do you think a solution could exist besides educating every person on Earth about these dangers?

[@guss77]

The trope of "Linux is safe because it's not a target" just isn't true. Linux is the number one OS on servers and there's about a gajillion Linux installations for every home Windows install. The Linux security story is just so much better - if someone sends you an executable in the mail, you can't just run it - you need to save it, chmod it, get a few dialogs of warnings to click through, then it likely won't run because it targeted a different distro, or your home is mounted noexec, and even if it did run - it can't infect other software, it can't control the desktop, it can't interact with other programs, etc. It is not impossible to get one dank user to install one malware, but it's very hard and it is even harder to get mass infections. Also the security posture of Linux developers is much better- they don't owe fealty to "cyber security" companies - if there's a vector that malware authors can exploit, Linux devs will simply close it.

[@angeldirk00]

Linux security is already a meme because it's model is essentially "stop Bob from deleting Alice's files in /home" but even then for the home user, It's not really worrying) pay more attention to xz-style takeovers instead, as that's what hurts the most. also...keep an eye out on qbittorrent as it seems to be the latest in a project takeover by outside force)

[@draftofspasiba2]

Linux is just more secure by design, from the kernel to process handling to the display server protocol, aka Wayland, to package distribution, e.g Flatpak. So no.

[@stefanalecu9532]

You're REALLY pushing it if you think 50% of people will use Linux. You're pushing it at 10% too.

[@avisprimey]

@@stefanalecu9532 I'll give it four years

[@NoMastersNoMistress]

I've taken to calling Linux journalism "Penguin Herding." 😁😁😁😁

[@UndeadSoldier32]

I'm coming up on my 1 year anniversary of switching to Linux full time. I discovered Linux through the Steam Deck, I daily drive Linux Mint (which for me has been flawless, and I recommend it to everyone) and I've installed various distros, including Ubuntu and Batocera, onto old computers I've had lying around to repurpose them. Aside from having to borrow a Windows computer to flash a firmware update onto a proprietary USB encoder one time (the alternatives were either to learn how to compile raw code from GitHub, or try to figure out how to get Wine working in short notice), I haven't used Windows on any of my computers since I made the switch to Linux.

[@steventechno]

Wayland is still buggy with NVIDIA. I find myself using X11. If I use Wayland, the PC locks up completely after resume from sleep. When I still had the old RX590, it was never a problem.

[@KeithGyarmati]

Using linux since 1998 with red hat 4.2 via 3.5" floppies. Currently running mabox on an old laptop, and nixos on my daily workstation. It's been a ride, and I have learned something new everyday! Thank you for kicking out your content. It is very informative and entertaining. Wish you the best..

[@HerraHissi]

Funniest moment in LTT video was when Linus was installing steam. Every system package was marked being removed, apt begged him to reconsider but Linus' determination was unyielding.

[@marioprawirosudiro7301]

The true Linus vs Linus moment. Or Lie-nus vs Lee-noos, depending on how you pronounce it.

[@MrGamelover23]

Yeah, he needed an atomic desktop.

[@crazyrocketguy4687]

Really unfortunate timing. Pop messed up their packages at literally the worst possible time. Reminder that Timeshift exists and is great for reverting a system to a working state.

[@hellomine2849]

​@@crazyrocketguy4687is it ON by default and are users encouraged to use it at boot screen or GRUB?not really. Let's maybe add it later in advanced options somewhere.

[@KSPAtlas]

​@@MrGamelover23afaik when it happened silveblue was just starting off?

[@abdera7mane]

The year of the Linux desktop is 2025

[@draftofspasiba2]

We're getting 10% market share with this one 🗣️

[@etaashmathamsetty7399]

​@@draftofspasiba2 Fr

[@gimcrack555]

The Year of the Linux Desktop for me was on July 15, 2003. The day I switch to Linux and never looked back.

[@lolcathost]

@@draftofspasiba2 brotha it barely reached 5% 🔥🔥🔥

[@GSBarlev]

@@gimcrack555 I switched in 2006, right when Vista was coming out. I didn't switch _because_ of Vista-I actually rather liked the OS when it was running on appropriate hardware-but I really thought there'd be more people joining me, especially given how great Dapper Drake was for Baby's First Linux.

[@cobaltcloud64]

dankpods on brodie's channel was not something i was expecting

[@RadikaRules]

I mean, all Aussies are a hivemind. This is a known fact /j

[@zxql_]

My personal Linux story: I worked as a full time Linux (mostly rhel-based) engineer & developer for over a decade, and even then it took me all the way until now (2024) to take the leap and switch from Windows. Even as a Linux power user I just don't want to mess with stuff more than I need to, and Windows has given the ease of use for many years. I kept sitting on Windows 7 for as long as I could for obvious reasons, but at this point it became harder to make things work on Win7 than any fix or tweak a decent Linux distro would ever need. So I installed Fedora 40 w/ Gnome and set most things up within a day or two. I don't even want to boot into Windows anymore, let alone and god forbid installing W11. I think that with more and more users switching each year we may soon reach a breakpoint where companies would be financially inclined to add Linux support to their product(s). At that point Windows is basically done.

[@Ehren1337]

Windows 7 is your problem when it should be Windows 10. lol

[@zxql_]

@@Ehren1337 I have windows 10 on multiboot and hate every minute I have to use it. Forced updates, downloads and tons of other traffic happening in the background etc., W10 W11 is all downhill from 7.

[@elyusi_kei]

I'm still on Windows for my PC. I took the "Year of the Linux Desktop" pill in 2022 and it was alright but I never found anything that felt like a real replacement for AutoHotKey. And with how restrictive Wayland can be, that seems unlikely to change. And the Android emulation ecosystem for gaming specifically felt less developed. I eventually switched back to Windows in anticipation of a game I expected to not play nice with Linux due to anticheat and have stuck with it since. I still use Linux pretty much everywhere else I can though.

[@szaszm_]

Sooner or later, Windows will be so bad that the remaining few people who still has to use desktop PCs (or laptops) will give it a shot. Linux is (very slowly) becoming better over time, and Windows is becoming worse over time.

[@juanmacias5922]

Also, it's going to have a whiplash effect where using open source/linux programs becomes the norm, so the whole "Photoshop" debate will become null. As Photoshop and others will have to take into account most of their users using Linux, or everything just turns into a web app (the way 70% already is)

[@szaszm_]

@@juanmacias5922 Distributing binary software for Linux sucks. (Different distros, different lib versions and conventions.) They might be better off just converting it to a webapp, if they already have that.

[@Arcidi225]

Few years ago I was really into doing stuff on my PC. I ended up on arch. Whatever in life happen, and I am in situation where I don't use my PC at all, but could use laptop for browser and some games. I don't even bother with changing os, as I simply use steam and browser, so I stayed on windows. For a half a year. Until I changed my room so my laptop was closer to my bed, and I noticed that it randomly turns on from sleep, and go full jet engine mode with fans. Wtf. After some digging I learned that sleep in windows means "I am gonna do a lot of stuff in background". I could sleep at night because of the noise, same way that windows wouldn't let my poor laptop get some sleep, instead doing whoever knows what while I am not looking. So I said fuck it, and here I am, installed endeavour just for browser and steam. And both me and my laptop can sleep in peace.

[@stefanalecu9532]

You're really delusional if you think Windows will fall off that badly. Are you telling me your grandma or a lawyer or an accountant or just your average Bob will try Linux? Have fun telling them that exists in the first place. If you need Word or Photoshop or Illustrator or Visual Studio, you will use those and won't consider moving to a system that doesn't support these natively. Hell, it's much more likely people will move to Mac rather than Linux, and the market share shows it. I know you really want the year of the Linux desktop, but everyone in the Unix space since the 90s thought the year of the Unix desktop is $(($CURRENT_YEAR + 1)). You're overestimating the technical skill of most Windows users, they aren't Arch users (losers) in the terminal with programmer socks on daily. But if it makes you happy, yeah, sure, keep deluding yourself.

[@ThePr0_0149]

​@@Arcidi225bro decided to go throught the hassle of installing a new os,bcz his laptop wouldn't sleep🤣

[@TechJolt3d]

Hey its dankpods! Your fellow Aussie man!

[@BrodieRobertson]

He lives in the same state as me as well

[@stefanalecu9532]

​@@BrodieRobertson A collab would be wild istg

[@pylotlight]

@@BrodieRobertson you guys in syd or something. melb linux represent!

[@BrodieRobertson]

@@pylotlight South Australia

[@LinuxCreativeProject]

One of these “switched to Linux” people here lol. I actually just posted an update video with that title. I plan on being in it for the long haul.

[@infinitivez]

Switched and started off using Arch at the beginning of this year, and am pretty happy with it. I don't like games with anti-cheat to begin with, and have been fairly surprised that I can't find a game in my library that won't run. Using Lutris to access EA/GOG/Steam, etc. Besides needing to update the system before installing it, had zero issues setting it all up. If for some reason I absolutely need a native windows machine, I'll buy another SSD and dual boot. But it won't be Adobe forcing me into their ecosystem, that's for sure.

[@visthj]

Started actually using Linux a few months ago and it's sick. When I look back at Windows I see how slow and laggy it is and wonder how did I even use it in such conditions? That's how performant Linux is. And it's not something explicitly lightweight like Puppy or Lubuntu, I picked Nobara linux as my main distro. I know people shouldn't choose a gaming distro, but Nobara is the reason I've been thinking about giving Linux a fourth shot for a half of the year. My previous distros were Mint, Ubuntu and Kali (yeah, the edgy hacker phase). I don't regret this decision. I had a lot of serious issues, but I managed to find an alternative way to handle it. For example, my GPU is so old it doesn't support Vulkan and DXVK is the default transition layer. I had to take from my personal knowledge that OpenGL also exists and thought what if you just translate the DirectX calls to OpenGL instead of Vulkan? And it worked, it takes only 1 launch parameter for Wine to run nearly any game. An entite month of failure at seeking for solutions were replaced by a 3 AM thought of something I knew before using Linux. The performance difference is either unnoticable or even better compared to Windows. I've even managed to run shaders in Minecraft, thinking previously that would be impossible on my laptop (I mean, the lowest shader setting runs in like 6 fps, but it's still fascinating). But still, not all games run great here. Metro LL has limited graphics configuration, sound tearing and bad time playing cutscenes unlike on Windows (ranked silver on protondb). I didn't plan to abandon Windows since I'll need to use AutoCAD in the future, but I definetly thought about making it my secondary system, Nobara to take the bigger partition of my drive and having btrfs (after hearing all the praise about its Windows driver) on my second drive instead of ntfs.

[@Beryesa.]

We're all turning into Penguins!

[@jonathanhirschbaum6754]

Guys, just stay on Windows. IM on linux and I love it because it fits my workflow. If it wouldnt, I wouldnt use it. It's that simple

[@orbatos]

Photoshop, lol. Just use a VM if you need it, if you don't, then use something else, you aren't buying Photoshop for personal use anyway. GIMP is completely different, but pretty good, chances are Krita would be more comfortable though. DaVinci Resolve... It works great for me. The AAC thing on the free version doesn't bother me because I don't encode to AAC, why would I. Also I use the full version now. Chances are you don't actually need something this powerful.

[@Wkaelx]

Many people think PCs are like phones, it just works, you cant expect them to know to use midly advance stuff like bios, dual-booting, even flashing usb imagine using a software to emulate a computer inside a computer. Not thats its hard to do its just they dont want to and should need to.

[@raracool04]

You're not gonna get marketshare if your solution is VMs

[@orbatos]

@@Wkaelx I don't, and nothing I says indicated otherwise. In fact I advocate people use easy, free solutions where possible and have handled both training and customer service in corporate, academic, business and end users tech, so I am very, very well aware of what people can or more often are willing to do. Contrary to popular opinion GIMP for example is not hard to use unless you are assuming it works exactly like Photoshop. End users don't know how to use Photoshop, it's just the only tool they have heard of. They just need to resize, crop and share pictures anyway so they don't need powerful tools. For a adults, they are familiar with MS Office, but Libre Office looks and acts more like an older copy of that than The current versions do. Children don't need it at all, they don't even need a "traditional" word processor most of the time except for class format requirements. I could go on forever.

[@orbatos]

@@raracool04 "market share" sure. This is exactly what Apple did and does by the way. Since you obviously don't know, running a VM for business software is actually pretty normal these days, don't confuse personal desire to use Photoshop with *needing to use it for work*. These are very different things. Most companies have old systems purely maintained for some legacy purpose they don't want to pay to get around or abandon for various reasons. Recently a lot of these are starting to be virtualized, but that's not actually new. 25 years ago there were win 3.1 wrappers for win 3.1 used in the same way.

[@roccociccone597]

@@raracool04 windows literally does this with WSL to make development less horrendous on it.

[@dominikri.4295]

I really love Linux, but the problem why Linux has such a tuff time is when some one has a problem with Linux. The standard answer from the Linux community is you don’t understand how Linux works.

[@3rdalbum]

That is sometimes true, but more often when someone posts a rant about how crap Linux is because they couldn't do xyz, and people in the community are like "wtf, you should have just asked for help - the way you were trying to do it is unnecessarily complicated and it can now be done by clicking a button, I would have been happy to show you."

[@3rdalbum]

I haven't been on Linux forums for a while, but the one that annoyed me was "Oh, you don't know how to do xyz? You should switch to Arch Linux because I don't like your distro's sound system / startup system / window manager / package manager"

[@chlorobyte]

Shoutouts to KZbin for recommending all of these videos to me despite already being a Linux user for several years and not needing a guide or interested in random famous people experiences. Thanks for summarizing it, it's about what I would have expected. Now to get back to my regularly scheduled programming of 'Not interested' as KZbin will now be recommending me the other bajillion ❤

[@zuimelanieforno4654]

I am a Windows Developer, and I am about to switch to KDE development. But somehow my Secondary screen on Debian stopped showing the Mouse Cursor. That is a Showstopper for a UI-Developer. I can't help myself with that. BTW I use Armbian on my TV-Boxes (now Docker Hosts). Even my Spouse will switch to Linux, if I do the Test-Dummy. "KDE it is.", she said. So restrictive, but also pinpointing to a direction ... On Gaming on Linux, it is faster but has Hick ups sometimes, and I had a full System-Freeze once. It is working, and my humble prediction for when the Year of Linux-Desktop will be happenin', it will be after the first Update on Win-11 with the AI-Stuff. So next Year will be the Linux-Desktop-Year. Mark my UTF-8 Characters. ;) Greetings from Germany

[@giusdb]

Best wishes.

[@jedipadawan7023]

Why can't someone - it can't be me, alas, for a mass of reasons - do videos of non-techies and non-KZbin Creators using Linux? Rather than the usual "I tried Linux for 30 days, couldn't use Photoshop or DaVinci, so I had to go back to Windows" why not stick grandpa, a nurse, a car mechanic, a student, et al, in front of Laptop running, say Mint or Ubuntu (even though I am not convinced GNOME is the best intro for a newbie) and see how they go? I've given MX Linux KDE to MANY a happy user here, BTW. All these videos are of a-typical KZbin creators who have really expensive rigs, lots of special media hardware and whose livelihoods pretty much rely on Adobe. We never see the experience of the common man!

[@hopperstreams4487]

OSFirstTimer used to do this with his mom and all sorts of OSes, including Linux distros. Don't know if he's still around tho

[@ThatLinuxDude]

Based pfp - I recognise that art immediately just from the Yuuta crop alone

[@weakspirit_]

i'm going to preface that i've explicitly recommended against using linux. i've used it for 6+ years across 4 distros. i don't think most people in my circle are ready to use something they will have to troubleshoot by themselves. a relative of mine is a sociology student. she easily gets intimidated and frustrated by anything that resembles troubleshooting. she is NOT able or even want to use linux. she has 0 specialized software, using windows as a browser runner. i've shown linux to a law student. he found it unique but ultimately he thinks it's too complicated. i've shown him a bare bones KDE setup. he did find okular (pdf reader/annotator) neat tho. some of my friends in the engineering field are interested, as a new thing to try. they go back to windows when they eventually discover a problem that neither of us can solve. whether it's software support, graphics issue, performance issue, battery use issue, driver issue, etc. using different software is already a big challenge and turnoff, but troubleshooting problems make linux NOT worth using. the few people that actually stuck with linux i've come across face-to-face are engineering people that has no need to rely on specialized software like autodesk or solidworks. even then, these people (and me) run dual boot setups.

[@roccociccone597]

my father is a regular pc user who literally needs a browser and a basic office suite. He's been on Mint for 2 years now. The funny thing is I have had to do less family tech support after he got used to the new UI compared to Windows

[@akeem2983]

Common men are rarely popular KZbin creators

[@nezu_cc]

Having software you need not exist on Linux is expected. I'm at a point where the software I need/know doesn't exist on Windows.

[@avisprimey]

I started with Linux. Tried Windows and had so many issues. Can't stand Windows

[@roccociccone597]

yeah that's the funny thing. I'm a developer and most things (except for .NET development) work better on Linux. So much so that even devs on Windows use WSL to make their existence less horrific. Developing on normal windows is probably the worst experience I have ever had on a computer.

[@Veetrill]

And may I ask, what actually is the software that you can use on Linux, but can't use on Windows, and can't find any alternatives there either? The only example I can think of is Docker, but it was years ago, and now Windows can utilize it just fine too.

[@gruntaxeman3740]

@@roccociccone597 It is.

[@jordanhildebrandt3705]

I'm using Fedora on a Microsoft Surface Pro. Win10 was such a dog. Several times per week, the filesystem would barf while deleting a file. It would become Schrodinger's file -- both deleted and not deleted, definitely not possible to use and not possible to overwrite. I think this had something to do with WSL. But I'd have too reboot to clear it out. I had driver issues (ON MY MICROSOFT HARDWARE!) Win10 + WSL used TONS of RAM. Alt + tab didn't have the group-by-application mode I'm used to. Window edge snapping forced me to select a second app to snap. Updates created lots of problems. Line endings were different (LF vs CRLF). Docker didn't like windows. PHP didn't like windows. NGINX didn't like windows. For web development work, it was just... a pain.

[@UMessis]

I have been dabbling into linux for the past year and tried out several distos ranging from Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and Zorin. I currently settled on Zorin, I like the fact that it is themed well out of the box and I don't have to tinker much with it. It has been doing pretty well with my Game Dev needs and can work on linux full time. Windows has gotten so bad that I decided I wanted nothing to do with it!

[@VFella]

Who is ‘everyone’? And what ‘Linux’? Except for desktop users, 99% of the systems on the planet use Linux, from Android devices to IoT gadgets to servers, to cloud computing or high performance computing. You won’t find a single Top500 supercomputer running Windows or MacOSX. But I don’t see too many people bothering to install a Linux-based desktop OS on their computers. People don’t care.

[@Person-who-exists]

Even dankpods switched; and he's really good at complaining (I mean that in a good way)

[@apolloaerospace7773]

I have a friend who I tried to introduce to Linux, but he was always like: "I am going to switch once Windows 10 looses support." Last month his OS updated during shutdown, but when he returned after dinner this was not apparent since the screen was black. He had to go to bed though due to his work schedule and forced the shutdown with the power button. Guess what happened: A: Windows broke beyond repair an he lost all of his Data B: His Hardware got damaged beyond repair C: Yes He asked me for a POP_OS USB stick.

[@1pcfred]

Windows did that black screen thing here. I think what I had to do to fix it was hold in the power button? It did look like the computer had given up the ghost. But it did recover. Still, I considered that behavior unacceptable. It wasn't my PC. I wouldn't say no one could pay me to run Windows but the price would be very high.

[@mallninja9805]

Windows updates brick hardware now?

[@1pcfred]

@@mallninja9805 Windows update can leave a PC in a state where it is unresponsive. I've seen it. The PC will be off and pressing the power button won't turn it on. But if you press the power button and hold it until something happens it will boot up then. It takes a while. Long enough to have serious doubts. But if it comes back then Windows update will complete whatever it was doing. I never thought seeing spinning dots could ever make me feel so good. It's alive!

[@apolloaerospace7773]

@@mallninja9805 We swapped our RAM and after that I had his issues and his PC worked again.

[@33KK]

​@@mallninja9805don't quote me on that but I think windoze can update bios on some platforms.

[@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7]

Lately I've been on a massive rabbit hole getting the well-known incompatible proprietary apps to install and run properly under Wine. Managed to come up with a reproducible, consistent setup process that made MS Office 2016 work on 3 different computers (2 Arch and one Mint), and currently trying to get Adobe After Effects and AutoCAD working. I'm actually okay with using the FOSS alternatives, and do not miss these apps at all. Yes, this will likely require gathering specific versions of these apps, which is only possible through a healthy dose of piracy. I do this because I don't believe in abiding by the rules, and I believe software freedom also includes the ability to run whatever you want, wherever you want, in whichever way you want, even with proprietary software, and so I made it my duty to break these chains and bend these unholy programs to my will. One could say mastering Wine is a learning cliff all on its own...

[@lolcathost]

i respect you

[@MajorTomFisher]

We are going to see more of these "I can't use Linux!" "Linux is impossible!" types of videos as Linux tries to break into the mainstream market for Operating Systems and as people try to push for it more. Ten years ago, people considered Linux running games or handling obscure hardware to be "impressive". That was because they held Linux to the standard of a cutesy little upcoming competitor to Windows. Now that more and more people are pushing Linux as a daily driver, Linux will be judged against Windows as a standard. And it won't be judged fairly either: not getting support from hardware manufacturers and software distributors is going to be blamed on Linux instead of the distributors. The good news is, this backlash means we're inching closer to Linux becoming a fully-functional consumer OS because of how many people can say they've _successfully_ used it as their daily driver. The more people push positively for Linux (or the more companies use Linux for consumer devices like the Steam Deck and Chromebook), the more the problems will go away. Open Source developers will put more emphasis on front-end consumer features. Hardware and Software will try to treat Linux users as an actual customer base. There will be a market for alternatives to the software that doesn't support Linux.

[@tryphena]

Thanks for mentioning us creatives in this. Whenever I say I want to switch to linux but can’t because of all my art programs not working on linux I just get swarmed by people who aren’t professionally in the art field telling me to “Just use GIMP or learn Krita!”. I’ve tried krita. It’s not for me or my work. This remains the biggest pain point that locks me into windows for the foreseeable future. I hope more people move to Linux until it’s big enough of a market share to have official support with more art programs.

[@tutacat]

If you say "yes, please remove all my packages", you get some of the responsibilities

[@1pcfred]

What was removed can be reinstalled. But only if you know what to install.

[@OutLanderUSN]

That's the beauty of it: you can do this. It tells you it's a bad idea, but it will still let you. If you even think about doing anything in System32 Windows just won't let you.

[@1pcfred]

@@OutLanderUSN are you sure about that? Windows seems awfully permissive to me. I mean just look at all the damage viruses can cause. If they can manage to do it then it's clearly possible to do.

[@adam91303]

When you buy davinci resolve studio you get a lifetime license, the price is very fair in my opinion.

[@ThePr0_0149]

Also adobe charging 20 bucks every month:

[@ansel569]

fair, probably. $500+ is still an expensive purchase regardless.

[@djsmeguk]

I got annoyed with the people trying Linux in what I interpreted as bad faith. They tried Linux and then walked away because of the stupid Photoshop argument. That's such a no shit Sherlock observation these days. It's not helped by people in Linux who argue that gimp is a viable alternative to Photoshop for professional creators (it's so not).

[@avisprimey]

really hyped for gimp 3... if it ever comes out lol

[@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX]

Yep you got it. Problem is 1) People that try Linux, but expect it to be Windows or MacOS instead of its own unique OS. You wouldn't install Windows and ding it because it doesn't have iMovie or an application dock 2) People that aren't honest about Linux's shortcomings, thereby misrepresenting it and getting people's hopes up before disappointing them.

[@gorak9000]

If that were true, it seems that everyone (and their dog) is an elite level Photoshop user that couldn't possibly do the 3 simple things they use photoshop for in gimp - I find that hard to believe - I think they're just making stuff up

[@weakspirit_]

​@@avisprimey i'm going to finish my degree first before gimp 3.0 is out. just use something that isn't made to flex gtk capabilities

[@o00nemesis00o]

@@gorak9000 Bro, Gimp doesn't even let you select more than one layer at a time.

[@superneenjaa718]

Linux was the biggest source of frustration for one of my dissertation works during university. Running some scientific software on various linux distros can be absolute nightmare. I know programming, but I'm not a software engineer and I kind of think getting some of those programs to run would be challenging for an inexperienced software engineer too.

[@badpiggies988]

Been using Ubuntu as a single-boot option on my laptop for over a month, my browsing and gaming now have considerably better performance than win11- and when I began hearing stories about MS somehow managing to make win11 even worse during that time period, it made me feel even more vindicated in my decision to leave Windows.

[@deckard5pegasus673]

"most of my gaming is done on linux" ... proceeds to hold up PS4 boxes..

[@MikePerreman]

Penguin Gang

[@Sizzyl]

I've tried to swap once a year since like 2019, but this is the first year where my graphics card and the apps I need finally worked.

[@siljrath]

"What I decided to do is go though, watch all of these videos" Oh, how I feel for you. Upon hearing that, my reflex was to lay healing hands on you.

[@Linuxgaming2672]

I switched to Linux at the beginning of the year, as a gamer (and an IT professional). I wont say it has been smooth, but it was much easier than some people make it out to be. So far, All my gaming content, which i started this channel just for Linux gaming, has really worked without flaw. BTW I use Krita and davinici.