Arch User Reacts To Linus Tech Tips Linux Challenge Pt 3

We're back for the 3rd part of the Linux Tech Tips linux challenge and this week went surprisingly well, I mean really well I didn't even have anything to say about most of the video. For basic user tasks Linus and Luke have sort of got used to using Linux.
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[@SolidSt8Dj]

I'm going to assume he knows how KVM works from the multitude of x gamers 1 cpu or similar videos he's done. Just my thoughts.

[@ShiroKage009]

Good point

[@RamkrishanYT]

Tux live KVM migration is their podcast sponsor 😂

[@samljer]

No, he has a linux professional on staff. He also made it very clear in episode one they wernt allowed to get help from him. His name is Wendel i think? (that name might be wrong) (best to usually avoid assumptions)

[@SolidSt8Dj]

@@samljer That statement is both incorrect and contradictory lol. His name is Anthony (Wendel is from a different channel), and yes, he has a "linux professional" on staff (Anthony knows about Linux but that's not his main job). He also has jake who does most of the server and infrastructure. But Linus himself has set up multiple KVMs. And as you mentioned, they are not allowed help from any of them, so it doesn't matter.

[@SIGMA_BLYAT]

arch users are so cheap and stupid

[@toast1797]

To all the "Linus should know better from his server experience" 1. Watching Linus being a Linux wizard blazing through all his tasks would bring absolutely nothing to improving the desktop experience 2. Y'all underestimate how polished and user friendly server applications are on Linux. You know the OS that basically runs the Internet.

[@samljer]

yea. That and they forget that linus actually has a linux professional on staff. they wernt allowed to get his help for this challenge.

[@ChristopherCobra]

on #2 - you don't know how right you are.

[@fabricio4794]

@@samljer He knows that Manjaro is not User Friendly and Slapt that community on the Face,Pop OS did a Bug with that Steam Stuff,but my Guess is if Linus would using Linux Mint ,he will pretend some failure there do not Encourage new people to use Linux.Because he is Canadian and love to be Wiretapped by his Government,or he is another Truedau shill.

[@ex0stasis72]

I think the reason for Linus' weird patchy Linux knowledge is because of his lack of free time to spend on developing a comprehensive Linux knowledge, but his open-mindedness to get deep into command line tools (despite what he says) allowed him to go down some of these rabbit holes.

[@oCMSo]

Don't you see the irony? Like every one been saying for years, especially towards the plasma team, users should not need to know to code or have to open the terminal, ever, also fix the damn dolphin root access but they never listen, so..

[@schemage2210]

@@oCMSo You see that is also shortsighted as the number one place you're going to find Linux is the server space. A space where you will almost never be guaranteed a GUI but always have access to a terminal. I wager more Linux developers have cared more for getting that server functionality working first and foremost and making a comfortable desktop experience secondary to that. As such, they really haven't had the time to iron out all the edge cases where the terminal is still required. It's not like there is an army of paid programmers that have been working on a single OS for decades al la Windows/microsoft.

[@schemage2210]

More likely that it has been seen in many of his previous videos that Linus has used virtual machines previous, particularly whenever he has done a "one machine, many gamer" setups etc. Just as he has also previous used Linux for testing various setups, just not done so as a daily driver.

[@leonardonovara9348]

Copy and pasting configs is an art by itself.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

@@schemage2210 Well, not DE teams, which KDE is! Everything they make for the most part is GUI centric, and really they are the best at it, although you have to go through a shit ton of settings, install extra services, turn things on... and viola': It's a way better experience than what Windows users could even dream of having. With KDE it's in there, you just have to release the beast! I have multiple tool bars, desktops, useful widgets, and great theming, Dolphin in dual pane and tab modes, with my most used functions in the toolbar (REFRESH too!), a crap load of file/folder operations on right click to select from, where I can do things directly, so without opening files in apps... I have Snippets and advanced find/replace and highlighting in Kate, and more of the same in most KDE Apps, all working together in concert, and I haven't even explored "KDE Actions" yet! It's workflow deluxe 20,000!

[@fluxkraken]

Linus didn't actually make a mistake with the digital signing. He was going about it the correct way so it would be legally binding. And as he is a businessman, I expect that.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Both methods are correct ways it's just that there was no chance anyone was doing that in 15 minutes

[@NirmalveerSingh]

@@BrodieRobertson both aren't correct, what are you talking about

[@SolidSt8Dj]

@@BrodieRobertson No chance that the overwhelming majority of people could get it done for the first time in less than 15 minutes. Otherwise it's certainly possible.

[@BrodieRobertson]

@@NirmalveerSingh they both did a digital signature, Linus took the technical approach and Luke digitised his signature.

[@mietek958]

@@BrodieRobertson Luke made a electronic signature, challenge was to digitally sign a document which he did not do. The challange probably wanted them to electronicaly sign the document but they used the wrong term. And arguing that he did a digital signature is just wrong, digital signature is a defined scheme that requires a private and public key.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

I didn't take his take as Linux needing to "Windowsify", just that the vast majority of users are familiar with simpler, more streamlined OS experiences like, well Android.

[@gardian06_85]

it isn't that Linux needs to do thing "the Windows way" but more that Linux needs to take a parity between CLI and GUI; sure throw a bunch of confirmation boxes, or if there is a text dump needed then you open a terminal and show them the text dump. the biggest thing that Linux is lacking is the word "intuitive" you end up with stuff designed, created, tested, and validated by developers with no input from a "dumb user" and then if someone says they don't understand or can't find something the response is often "RTFM lol" (and that is the ones that don't just roll their eyes or give a condescending explanation)

[@tomclark1213]

If Android is so simple why am I throwing my curse-ed phone against the wall about 4 times a day? I find Android baffling.

[@YahyaFalcon]

@@tomclark1213 as someone who spends most of their free time on their android phone i don't know what you're talking about, even when i started using android i don't remember ever struggling to figure anything out, what part specifically do you find "baffling"?

[@WhyDontYouBuildit]

I personally find easier experiences to usually be, let's say, less complete experiences. Having everything accessible via GUI wouldn't necessary make it simpler or more streamlined. At the same time android is by default limiting the things a user can do. The simple task of accessing a file is usually done via some sort of isolation by which you access one kind of file by one app. For example your image files via your gallery app. That's ok I suppose, and you can always install a specific app for a specific task. But I must say that using my Nokia N900 was much more eｍpowering, and much more fun than using an android phone.

[@UKprl]

@@tomclark1213 What I've observed with Android is the vendor has free choice to pair it with a low spec SoC or storage medium, as there isn't some enforced minimum hardware requirement. If you could install IOS on any device rather than hardware controlled by Apple I think you'd see a more hit and miss experience there too.

[@MrJakeTucker]

1:20 - "Linus' really weird range of Linux knowledge" - I think this might be because through the years he gets help from people like Anthony and (I can't remember the other guys name) to set up things like his home and work servers which I believe are both Linux. So for some years he has been grabbing bits of Linux knowledge which go quite deep.

[@jjjacer]

yep i was gonna mention this, the seems to have more of a server style of knowledge (network file systems, kvm and such) but some of that also could be the first google result on how to do stuff which if writen by most linux people will be all CLI. he does seem to do real bad with linux GUI's

[@JessicaFEREM]

thanks I was about to say that. what comes to mind is the mac KVM video.

[@EclipseMints08]

Well, a virtual machine isn't just a "linux" thing. I'm sure it was pretty easy of just installing and getting the .iso.

[@ryebread095]

I don't think Linus is advocating for Linux to be more like Windows, I think he's advocating for a better user experience

[@Finakechi]

I agree, I think Brodie is misunderstanding a bit what Linus was saying there.

[@TazerXI]

I agree. He is saying that, when people come from Windows, they will do things the windows way, so we need to adapt tutorials and ui to accommodate for the habit that Windows users will use. For example, I would only stay on debian based distro for a while, just because I didn't realise package managers exist, and would only go online to find a .deb, similar to how a windows user doesn't open the Microsoft store, they go online to find an exe

[@joschafinger126]

... from a "why isn't this more like Windows?" perspective. You're basically right, but Linus's idea of a good UX is so married to Windows, I myself would hate it almost as much as I hate having to work with Windows.

[@tomclark1213]

Yeah, I think that's right mostly, but I also think he's saying that Linux should be more like Windows so he doesn't have to do anything different, and that's going a bit too far. I am a Cinnamon/Mint fan and I actually think Windows should be more like it. =) But to be fair, since Mint has positioned itself to be the Windows > Linux pipeline, then it behooves it to make everything feel like Windows as it should be (rather than Windows as it is). I think Linus would have had a much better experience with Mint and it would have been better also if he tried to find the answers in the GUI and app store -- first -- and stay away from the terminal and web articles telling you what to do in the terminal.

[@gardian06_85]

I see it as a request that there be a feature parity between the CLI and GUI, where according to many distros/DEs "there are some actions that MUST be done in the terminal, and why would you ever do that in the GUI you might make a mistake" copying some random terminal command from a guide on the internet (even if it might be explained) can be just as bad as randomly clicking in the GUI.

[@nordern1]

When compressing: A cool alternative to producing a hidden temp file might be to notice that the temp file corresponds to the compression progress and show the progress bar behind the filename

[@BrodieRobertson]

If it's integrated directly into the file manager that would be cool but otherwise wouldn't be possible

[@nordern1]

@@BrodieRobertson The progress bar is already integrated into KDE, and we are talking about dolphin. Also, if we could somehow recognizably mark a file as temp, we could build a standard that it asks around for the status over dbus or something.

[@SkigBiggler]

@@nordern1 could just use a dotted file. Most normal users won’t have those set to visible, and then you don’t need to do too much. Also makes it accessible to power users and avoids the need for a temp directory or some new standard. Other option would be to use extended attributes, but those aren’t really reliably implemented, they’re kinda a feature that exists but doesn’t get much use

[@nordern1]

​@@SkigBiggler Not to get snarky, but dot files where just the kind of aproach that is so boringly obvious that I didn't really thought it worth mentioning. But a good compromise might be to do both: A dot file for the write in progress and a file with the target filename, a magic number identifing it as a placeholder, and a reference to the dot file, maybe even the PID of the writing process. Then Dolphin (and other file managers) can see that the file is a reference to something in progress and display it accordingly.

[@HikariKnight]

The reason the CTRL+SHIFT+drag/drop is the shortcut to make a symlink/shortcut is because that is the exact same hotkey that has been used in windows for ages (at least since XP). however i do think nemo should have the make link option in the context menu too, which sadly it does not

[@jemsterr]

I have been doing it that way myself since XP. It worked for me in Mint/MATE, and it works for me in Manjaro/XFCE. Drag and drop with Shift forces move, with Ctrl forces copy, and with Ctrl+Shift a shortcut is created. (Although, in Windows, it gives you a context menu to choose between the 3 with shortcut as default).

[@STNKbone]

It works this way in Dolphin as well

[@tomclark1213]

Sadly it doesn't, but you can go to Edit > Make Link then Edit > Move To ... and accomplish the task.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Ok so it's dumb shortcut on Windows as well lol, I didn't know that existed. I've only ever used the context menu to make a shortcut

[@jemsterr]

@@BrodieRobertson It's basically the same as drag and drop with RMB on Windows.

[@affieuk]

The file copy thing wasn't that is hadn't flushed, he has a massive screen and the progress bar is in a stupid location, see bottom right of his screen.

[@PrideSage99]

I love linux, and really appreciate what they are doing with this challenge. That being said, there are a lot of developers especially DE developers that *NEED* this absolute kick to the nuts that Linus is giving them. Linux isn't user friendly. Pop and Elementary are the closest, Zorin being right behind, but they're still missing the point and way behind the curve.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

What isn't user friendly about Mint Cinnamon?

[@PrideSage99]

@@thegardenofeatin5965 I haven't used cinnamon yet, so I'm gonna give an argumentative, typical KZbin reply. iTs tOO WIndOwS likE!!1!!one!

[@PrideSage99]

Just for you sir, I will try it 😉

[@ifihadfriends437]

I dunno man... Zorin is pretty damn user friendly - I found PopOS more confusing coming from both a Windows and MacOS background.

[@MegaLokopo]

In the us the act of signing is legally binding not the signature itself. Signatures are very easy to fake and very hard to detect if someone has faked one, So you generally have to sign super important stuff in front of a notary.

[@npswm1314]

LTT is in Canada. Idk what its like there but Linus being Linus overthought the entire thing.

[@MegaLokopo]

@@npswm1314 yea I can't wait for part 4.

[@Antoto96]

A lot of viewrs are also forgetting that Linus is a CEO who has to sign a lot of legal documents from large companies so in his daily life he probably does have to do all that extra work just to sign something.

[@MegaLokopo]

@@Antoto96 although how different is the process on windows? if he does it and its the same or a very similar process, he should have finished much faster. I would love to see the uncut footage to see what his mental process was.

[@mikefarino4368]

@@MegaLokopo it's probably that linus uses a specific pdf viewer/editor that has the feature built in if he uses it regularly. Hence why he said he probably only needed another 30 minutes to get it worked out.

[@Zatmos]

12:38 Yes. On Manjaro KDE, my screen would go black whenever I tried to fullscreen a video no matter what kind of video player it was (VLC included) BUT it only did that on secondary displays. On the primary display everything was fine.

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

My secondary display also does magic. When I put a private Opera window there it's performing really poorly until it crashes after a minute or so. It works on the primary display, a non-private window works on the secondary and every other program is also fine. It's really strange.

[@marcranger7421]

As a form of solidarity, I have been using Manjaro KDE as my daily driver. I have been able to play games natively or on Proton. There are more games that could run using the Beta Steam, Proton Experimental and Proton GE. It wasn't simple but was I impressed by the number of games I could get running. Skyrim and Fallout NV were more stable on Linux. I also tested Garuda Linux which has many more GUI applications to manage your desktop. I still prefer Manjaro but could see myself using Garuda only for gaming and Manjaro as development environment. This has been my experience so far. Brodie, thanks for giving us your take on this.,

[@jamesfitzpatrick9607]

I also had this issue but with a small difference. If the application was maximized I would get the black screen. But if it was windowed it worked grand. Something in a update fixed it. Very odd.

[@fabricio4794]

Manjaro is not user friendly,stop to insist with that...

[@ceecrb1]

3:30 Disagree. The large file showed up this bug/flaw, proving a point that these issues do exist and new users will misunderstand them and not know how to deal with them. Linux always has been designed to be used by linux users. If the community ever wants it to get above 1% usage, this needs to change.

[@MegaLokopo]

I think at the end you and linus are both right. I think he was trying to say if you want linux to grow problems have to have an intuitive answer like they do in windows, as in the intuitive answer must exist, not that it has to be the same answer as it is in windows. English is an awful language.

[@tireseas]

Kind of ironic because the only reason much of anything in Windows is "intuitive" is because the people claiming it is are used to decades of it's idiosyncrasies. That's what trips up "power users". They've forgotten what the process was to learn.

[@MegaLokopo]

@@tireseas Part of why windows is so intuitive is because the same simple method will almost always work and because there is an expectation that everything can be done via gui because almost anything can, so you are able to easily learn how to do something by going through the menus page by page and guess and check until you find what you are looking for. On linux if the creator of the software expects you to use the terminal, there is no way you are going to find the solution without googling it. If you are downloading something you go to the website and follow the instructions. regardless of which version of windows you have, if the program is compatible with it you follow the same instructions and it will get installed. And that is assuming that the program requires more instructions than a universal download button that detects which version of windows you are on and installs it automatically. Where as on linux the app you're looking for may only have one download method that will work for your version and the instructions may not be on the website, or if they are they might be very out of date and completely inaccurate. Outside of error codes, you don't have to google anything when learning how to use windows.

[@tireseas]

​@@MegaLokopo You're missing my point. That has nothing to do with being "intuitive". It's just a collection of habits that feel more normal because the user has been in the Windows ecosystem for so long. None of it is obvious to a truly new user on either side.

[@CyberianFaux]

@@tireseas I disagree with you on this last statement you made. My grandfather who had never used a computer in his entire life (roughly 80) was given an all-in-one computer/monitor with Win10 on it. He was able to, after some assistance for the first couple days of asking what was used for what, to figure out how to use the entirety of the rest of his system extremely quickly just by making inferences based on just a couple things he was taught. That is what it means to be intuitive. If he can learn to use an entire computer based off of what he knows of the process of how to sign in, use google chrome to go to KZbin, and watch videos, it is intuitive.

[@MegaLokopo]

@@tireseas If you have to guess and check, you aren't going to learn anything in the terminal. One button downloads are extremely common on windows. What would you count as intuitive? Not requiring a search engine sounds like a good example of intuitive software. Pressing one button that says download, is more intuitive than having to search several methods for the right method to download something. It is all about one method that always works.

[@nickvolt2816]

2:20 The file copy process is still in progress. Linus would see that if he would use Gnome or Cinnamon. Long process are placed in status bar next to clock - what you see later in zip task. Player don't ask Dolphin if file is there - it just run command "player /path/to/file.mp4", but the file is broken (not copied) and player fails to open it. Probably can be even blocked for access. 4:30 The only right way to understand this is to add digital signature like Linus tried to do it. The way Luke made it is a case when someone send you docs in pdf and one to get it back with your signatures (for example for a company agreement) - the print it and it's done. This is equivalent of sending printed papers by post and sending back with signatures. Linus failed because he do not read second line of text in 4:00 - the blue link probably would help him. Anyway, I use pc for 25 years and never had to do it. 7:12 That's the first thing you should do it when you have problem. Period. Not only "with Linux". Always. More popular system or app means more good results and fast solutions. 8:35 I don't recall to have problems with printers. Maybe it is distro's problem? I used Debian, I use Manjaro and even HP with WiFi works. BTW: Printer model is in a movie. ;) 9:35 This is just KDE's thing, as I wrote above. 12:10 This is not Mint's thing. In general, all file managment tasks are belong to file manager app (do not depend on distro). In this case this is Nemo file manager like. I don't know if it works that way in any other file manager. 14:05 Show desktop button works just ok - in Cinnamon. I've tried KDE very hard, but there are just so many annoying bugs or doing "KDE way", that I just stopped. 16:50 Not "work" but rather like "school". This is just obvius that when you start to use someting new, you need to learn how to use it. You can't just run Photoshop, Gimp or whatever and start to create professional pictures. World do not work that way. If you use Android and go to iOS, you need to learn it. If you are Windows users since born, you can't just run Linux and be an administrator just like that. 16:55 No. Just an oposit - I would recommend Arch based distro for beginners: Manjaro Cinnamon. Debian based distro and KDE (don't mension Gnome and others) is the easy way to get crazy. Debian (PopOS) episode is the best example what "dependency hell" is - one second and you are on a black screen with blinking cursor. The same with KDE and Gnome where they reinvent wheel again (progress bar on status bar etc). I've tried PopOS, Elementary, Deepin, Fedora and there is always someting wrong - no statusbar icons, modified package manager with small amount of apps, bugs, problems - even on a simple machine like Intel Broadwell based laptop with no Nvidia in it, where all extension cards are by Intel. My last PopOS installation finished with desktop upside down on main screen on a laptop (no other screen conected). 19:20 Dolphin in general is not the best tool to do anyting. If I recall in last distro I had with Dolphin by default, I've replaced it with something else. 20:25 I can't agree... more. Maybe turning Linux into Windows will be better for Windows users, but not for Linux users and not for Linux it self. 22:04 I've recently tried Gentoo again after 5 years at least. Nothing changed - you still need to write wall of nonsense text that could be just placed in a basic installer (like in Debian minimal cd) or even in a shell script. One prefefined script could just replace 10 lines of settings - timezone, language, keyboard layout etc. I understand, that some config you need to set by your self, but what's the point of writing the same lines for everyone when you do chroot? 22:10 There is no such a thing like distro for professionals. Any graphical distro (not including Gentoo, Arch etc installation process) are simple in the same way. Main problem with Linux are new users - most of them never used DOS, Win 3.1 or even Windows 9x, so everything thay now about computers is Windows NT based, where everything you must do by clicks - because command line is hidden in a menu and any command line tools are not popular just like that. I bet that most of them will fail to use Windows 3.x and be frustrated with Windows 9x. 23:48 Yes, Anthony is missing here. I would like to hear his comments after every task or part of the movie.

[@1fate4all]

The AUR thing with Manjaro is also just a long term issue going on, since a lot of the AUR stays on the bleeding edge when it comes to package versions. Manjaro holds packages back a week or longer, which leads to many AUR packages not being viable for use if that package is being maintained actively by its developer. So its caused a lot of the AUR to be unusable or even possibly dangerous to the users system due to the Manjaro teams decisions.

[@batemanboi9672]

People need to stop recommending manjaro and start recommending endeavorOS

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

@@batemanboi9672 why not use vanilla arch, when endeaorOS is just a gui arch installer with DE and have the exact same repository ?

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

I fully agree. Manjaro is good but because manjaro has it's own repository which tests and holds packages, the AUR packages sometimes doesn't work and only works a few days later after updating the system.

[@fu886]

main issue with aur is that dynamic linking in linux make it the package will be sure to fail after a few upgrades and will require rebuilding the package

[@batemanboi9672]

@@rishirajsaikia1323 for people who want the benefits arch provide but the ease of use to install. It is everything normies think Manjaro is.

[@lucasrokam]

20:54 Brodie, I think that you and Linus agree. I didn't interpreted him saying to do the windows way, but to bare in mind that most of the people are coming with that experience and will try to find a similar way to solve a problem. Sure the solution is to improve UX.

[@jokalee]

Same here. I think Brodie missed the mark on what Linus was saying. Linux needs to be more user friendly and mainstream period if it is to be adopted by the masses. That doesn't mean making it more like Windows unless you mean things actually working out of the box for the most part.

[@Owczarekk]

13:30 Yea resizing windows is horribly laggy for me, especially with picom running but also under gnome or kde from what i tested, and it gets even worse when running game or watching videos in browser, and yes using novideo card with latest drviers. Seems fine under wayland though so maybe when they finally get their drivers up to spec the user experience will get better.

[@eli1882]

Wayland all the way

[@nvignesh]

Are you using a traditional hardrive with low rpm?

[@eli1882]

@@nvignesh that would have little to no effect on resizing windows.

[@nvignesh]

@@eli1882 for me whenever i have high disk activity like copying , compressing, the whole desktop freezes and stutters. Happened in mint and ubuntu

[@Owczarekk]

@@nvignesh well not as the main drive but I have one mounted at /hdd1, but i don't think that matters

[@brunoais]

5:10 In EU, any cryptographically signed document, with the government issued private key (for your usage) is as valid as you using your manual signature in the document

[@CyFr]

The last video SEVERELY downplays Lukes issues with his desktop experience, especially with moving windows around on the desktop

[@ssokolow]

For the record, in KDE, there's an "Install" button in the font viewer that pops up when you double-click a font file and clicking it will ask "Personal or System", and then you're done.

[@x0kosmus0x]

09:08 yes he should have known that it takes a while to compress the files, but the UI is pretty bad. The progress bar should open in the middle of the screen and if the user wants to do something else in the meantime, he should send it to the background. I think Linus just didn't see the progress bar because it was in the right bottom corner and his screen is so big, that he doesn't that he doesn't notice what is happening down there if he is focusing on something in the middle. But even if someone uses a smaller screen this hidden progress bar is a bad idea for accessibility reason. If someone uses a screen magnifier, they can only see parts of the screen and the effects of a action should be visible in the magnified part.

[@Max128ping]

Hell, they can step up than windows by making the Compressing Window being nearby to the mouse That way, less eye travel and near to megnification

[@Tigrisshark]

Me, a mac-user: Oh yes they do... THEY DO. "Why don't you have a Windows-key?" "Why does CMD+Q close my window? I just wanted to type an '@'!" [German-KB want you to press ALT-GR + Q to get to the @] In the 20 years since I used gentoo I feel that because of people like you the festering elitism seem to have become much better. It's most certainly still there, but to be fair, every community has those. Heck, Apple made commercials about it... I learned much about Linux/Unix through my failed Gentoo install, but till this day it helps me everything from Homeautomation to getting OSX to do stuff it doesn't want to allow users- almost seems like dolphin and Mac OS were made by the same people :) Do I think that the user-experience on Linux still has a bit more to go, yes- but comparing to 20 years ago it seems fantastic what the Linux community/developers have achieved. The only thing left to say is: Screw gatekeepers. They should fuck off- regardless of keeping people out of Apple, Linux or Windows (or even PC-Hardware in general), they are holding their communities back.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

Now you reminded me that I want to get little tux (Linux penguin mascot) stickers for the "Windows" AKA "Start" keys of my keyboards! I hate that they come with Windon't logos on them!!!

[@daskadse769]

It's funny how many times Cmd-Q has screwed me on macOS, especially before browsers had the option to require double Cmd-Q or long Cmd-Q to close. Then there's the other keyboard weirdness on macOS (German qwertz here as well), which honestly make more sense intuitively (like having "/|\" all on one key), but the lack of labeling for alt- and alt-shift- symbols makes it hard for me to recall. By now, after years of using macOS and Linux on my Laptop, Windows and Linux on my Desktop, and Linux and BSD on my servers, switching between the input paradigms has become a non-issue. Honestly though: Good UX is not really about making it like the most commonly used Software. It's about intuition, behaviour that follows expectations, orthogonality, and following _some_ conventions. I've recently had the "joy" to use ltspice, which for some reason maps undo/redo to F9/Shift-F9 - that's the kind of conventions that should be followed. While I'm here, let me rant about the macOS window switching a bit. You can switch between applications with Cmd-Tab, which works well, and between windows of a single application with Cmd-`. Now to cycle backwards, the convention is to add the Shift modifier (like Ctrl-Shift-Tab on browser tabs and Cmd-Shit-Tab on applications). But as on German keyboards ` already requires Shift to be pressed, now the Ctrl modifier is used, which not only is unintuitive, but also really weird to simply use (I usually use my thumb for Cmd and my pinkie for shift). Then again, a lot of software uses ´` for shortcuts, and many of them just don't work with a German layout keyboard at all.

[@SolidSt8Dj]

I find it hilarious that while I dual booted mint, I experienced BOTH the weird double-display thing from part 1 and the window lagging issue. It could be Nvidia, it could be cinnamon, not sure, but I do find it quite strange that both Luke and myself had the exact same issues.

[@tomclark1213]

Weird I used to dual boot (until Windows tanked it) and have Nvidia and never noticed the lagging. However, I haven't gamed on Linux -- yet :). I am going to jump on that pretty soon I think because I think the Steamdeck is going to draw in a lot of devs to Linux (besides I don't AAA CoD and BF style shooters anymore).

[@LiveType]

It's definitely cinnamon. If you installed a different DE, the lag would probably disappear. About 1 year ago when windows started getting REALLY slow on my not even old or low-end laptop (3 years cannot be considered old), I switched to linux and since I've always had a good, hassle free experience with Mint, I went mint. I experienced the horrendous UI lag (something I didn't experience before) with my laptop and noped right on out of there and installed arch with a minimal kde install. Went xfce at first and didn't like the default version and I'm like linus where I can't be bothered to customize stuff as that means more hassle when I have to reinstall. So far it's been a flawless experience for browsing the web and general office work. Very snappy, nearly identical useful battery life as on windows, and you can really load up the chrome tabs before the system starts to bog down. There's some strange interaction going on with the display driver and nvidia with cinnamon and they for some reason refuse to address it or create a workaround, because "it's working as intended". It's likely that nvidia drivers and whatnot interpret that "working as intended" thing differently causing problems. Maybe it's already fixed, but I don't know.

[@SolidSt8Dj]

@@tomclark1213 Well I wish you the best of luck!

[@Moister356]

Mine caused VSync problema the first time I installed, idk why.

[@SolidSt8Dj]

@@LiveType Very interesting. This was my thought as well, but I wasn't sure. P.S. "I went mint. I experienced the horrendous UI lag and noped right on out of there and installed arch with a minimal kde install." This is more or less what I intend to do lol. Mint was great while it lasted, but it had a few issues that I really didn't like. As soon as the few Anti-cheat games I play support linux I'm ditching windows altogether. Adobe suite and other windows-necessary programs will be run via a KVM. I know I want Kde as my DE, but not sure whether I want to go straight into vanilla Arch or Manjaro.

[@Lampe2020]

Quick word to the printers: I have seen the full spectrum. In my school I set up a Linux computer as a workstation and it was a hassle to set the printer up (at one point it could print the Ubuntu test print but nothing else came through, although I got it working after about an hour of tinkering with a driver manually downloaded) and the printer we have at home was a breeze to set up. I just typed the WiFi password into my new computer and mere seconds later a notification popped up, saying "New printer detected: **printer name** " and it worked flawlessly. I also had some inbetween, which had the driver in Linux but had to be manually selected.

[@TallWal]

The black screen when making a video fullscreen is an issue with more than the program Linus was using on KDE. It seems to happen only when the program is already maximized, and then setting the video inside that program to fullscreen. I have this same issue with Firefox on Manjaro KDE. I just have to make sure Firefox is not maximized before setting the video to fullscreen.

[@joguSD]

I also have this issue on Arch + KDE. I'm using Nvidia drivers which might also be related. I've only ever noticed this with firefox but I'll have to try the "already maximized" tip.

[@adsensiv]

Weirdly I've never had that issue using KDE for ~3 years on 3 different machines, almost always having Firefox maximized and using proprietary nvidia drivers - but I'm also using regular Arch. Maybe it's a configuration issue or pre-installed package on Manjaro causing that issue? I've had different compositor issues in the past caused by the rendering backend in the compositor settings being set to Opengl 2 which were fixed by changing it to Opengl 3.1 - maybe that would be worth a try

[@mini_bomba]

12:22 It actually is VLC... also this doesn't seem to be happening to me with VLC (i use KDE and arch btw, nvidia-dkms drivers, linux-zen kernel)

[@BrodieRobertson]

That's really weird them

[@EwanMarshall]

What drawing mode is vlc set to use?

[@Tio-Nino]

MPV is your best friend.

[@FrDismasSayreOP]

@@BrodieRobertson Linus seems to have been destined to hit every weird speed bump in Linux.

[@werr7xp]

12:56 "This is just another reason not to use anything that isn't mpv or VLC" I'm pretty sure that Linus was actually using VLC, which I've honestly had issues with on Linux as well - the media player itself worked properly for the most part (albeit slower than mpv), but it seemed to add like 2GB to my X error log every time. (note that I'm on Nvidia and this was 2 years ago though)

[@anttilehtoranta3152]

5:50 In Windows digitally signing is pretty easy with the Acrobat Reader application. Acrobat Reader allows for both "digitally sign" (w certificate, under Tools -> Certificates) and "fill & sign" i.e. just a picture of signature (w/o certificate, under Tools -> Fill & Sign).

[@npswm1314]

A note: Dolphin isnt actually what is compressing the file. That would be ARK. ARK is slow.

[@HowToLinux]

ark is slow but in my opinion only for zip for some reason

[@npswm1314]

@@HowToLinux It could be that because zip is an older format it just doesnt like it. I usually go w/.tar

[@HowToLinux]

@@npswm1314 yeah, i usualy also go with either tar or 7zip

[@BrodieRobertson]

Did I say dolphin, that's my bad if I did

[@npswm1314]

@@BrodieRobertson Yeah you did. Its alright tho.

[@LordSandwichII]

I have to say that this response is the fairest, and least salty review of the series I've seen. I like the way that you took a balanced approach, calling out things that you disagree with without being disrespectful, and conceding on stuff that you think is fair criticism. You have earned a subscriber!

[@BrodieRobertson]

I think it's just a good series tbh

[@CandyCaneChris]

I've never felt happier to be a Thunar supporter. It just does everything that Dolphin and Nemo seem to miss. Right click open folder as root, right click create symlink, show progress of compression/extraction.

[@0hate9]

oh god, the full screen video playback thing? I've had that. it's a manjaro-specific issue with nvidia cards, iirc

[@liorean]

Digital Signature means there is a cryptographic public/private key signature that is verifiable as to who and when it is signed, and requires a trusted third party to do the verification. It has no required visual component. Electronic signature is a digitised analogue/physical signature, which can be either a photo, a generated image, a fingerprint reader, a soundfile etc. Core of it, is that it has no proof against tampering or forging. A good signing utility would provide both, though, and not fake handwritten signature like Luke, nor be a pure graphical image of a analogue signature, but be cryptographically verifiable. Printing on linux, in my experience is considerably smoother, at least if your printer is a few years old, compared to the cludge and dependency on external software-riddled Windows. But that comes from Apple throwing money at the problem after adopting Next technology for their new Mac OS X system.

[@notuxnobux]

2:08 thats not the issue here. His monitor is so large that he cant see that at the bottom right its actually showing transfer progress. He tried to open the file before the file had completed transferring. You can see the transfer window on his monitor in the video.

[@ChrispyNut]

Which is something a user would learn can be moved to be top/bottom centre, so it's actually visible on such a large (and high res) screen.

[@gustavrsh]

I still think progress can be made here.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

@@gustavrsh I agree, improvement can certainly be made between the chair and the keyboard...

[@gustavrsh]

@@bufordmaddogtannen Sure, blame the user. Soon desktop Linux with have 99 users instead of 100.

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

@@gustavrsh I blame that specific user, not all of them. Windows got a few things right when it comes to files handling, macos was on the right path, then scr*wed up in the last couple of releases.

[@Immudzen]

One of the things I have realized is that most of the problems Linus has with Linux is due to lack of feedback. The desktop is doing something but seems to provide no feedback on what it is doing or what the progress is. In KDE you should be able to see that in the lower righthand corner if you know what to look for but I have also had issues before where a file just shows as copied immediately when it clearly has not. This is probably something that cuts across all the challenges so far. Linux needs to get much better at feedback.

[@tomclark1213]

Well yeah tho that's an issue specific to the desktop & file manager he is using. Other distros/desktops/file managers can behave differently. IIRC on big files Mint/Cinnamon/Nemo has a pop-up that shows the progress -- you can't miss it.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Why he uses such a big monitor absolutely baffles me, even for gaming it would be awful at that distance

[@tomclark1213]

@@BrodieRobertson I think it has to do with the amount of money in his pocketsess.

[@BrodieRobertson]

That's even more of a reason to not use it, he can get anything he wants and goes with that thing

[@Immudzen]

@@tomclark1213 It is an issue specific to that desktop and file manager but that setup is also recommended to new users which is a real problem. However, I would argue that even for advanced users the system should have fairly obvious feedback on what it is doing.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

It's called digital signature vs electronic signature. If you work in the medical or legal field you will be taught the difference. Typing your name like Luke did is NOT going to hold up in court or meet any regulations in pretty much ANY country. Including the USA and Canada.

[@BrodieRobertson]

But Luke doesn't work in those fields, he's a dev for a media company

[@deth3021]

@@BrodieRobertson that doesn't change the fact that it's not legally binding.

[@BrodieRobertson]

@@deth3021 depending on the country

[@deth3021]

@@BrodieRobertson no that isn't legally binding in any country. Some companies accept it, which is a different thing.

[@BrodieRobertson]

@@deth3021 That doesn't seem to be the case

[@imzesok]

this part of the series was setup in the way OS-Firsttimer does theirs. The premise of that channel is basically he chooses a random OS for his mom or another family member to try out for the first time, installs it, and he then sets out a few basic tasks for them to do. sometimes said task is figure out how to render the OS unbootable. IIRC they might have even done one for microsoft bob. Don't know if it's still around, but it was very interesting to watch years ago. Unlike those videos however, there was nobody to keep Linus on track, or to help him and Luke in real time. This could have definitely been done better. As for the printers, I believe they have epson printers. I believe epson, cannon, and HP printers just sort of work out of the box on linux(and have for quite a long time) as well as a handful of large brother office printers. Honestly, when I had just started with linux i was surprised that it was about the only thing that I never had to fight with for hours to get working. this was about 2002ish. Sadly, his experience with linux community forums is the norm, and you're weirdly better off going to reddit. Hell, even 4chan might be less hostile than a normal linux forum. 🤣 Not that i'd recommend it regardless, but still. Those communities' reputation is well earned. For real help: Reddit, askubuntu, and youtube(either in video form itself or in your fav YTubers comment section).

[@0hBee0ne]

Every KZbinr has apparently had vastly different experiences with printers on Linux than I have. It's always just worked. And the one time it didn't, I just chose a similar model for the driver and it still just worked.

[@Aremisalive]

I have had similar performance issues as Luke using Cinnamon with Nvidia. Switching to KDE on Linux Mint fixed it.

[@nicolast39]

From what I've found out about Luke's issue, of which I have had happen to me. I took a guess by looking at my system manager, and saw my ram, GPU, and swapfile usage going all over the place. I then tried removing the swapfile as a first step to fix this. That solution did end up fixing it for me. I think what causes this is that the Linux kernel is trying to free up resources so you can get better performance in the game, and so having a swapfile causes the kernel to try and continue to move the applications into swap and then immediately out of the swapfile, rinse and repeat.

[@motoryzen]

That depends on a few things By default many debian/ubuntu based distros have " swappiness" set to 60..Meaning around 60% of the time..the system is trying to make use of swap space even if ram capacity and availability isn't low. This is really overkill in the wrong direction..geared towards servers. Thus one of the first things I instruct new users on how to do is to LOWER that number to around 10 or 15.

[@Henrik_Holst]

I would however assume that Luke have quite a lot of RAM on his personal machine

[@whatusernameis5295]

I just realized the ctr+shift and drag a highlighted file to make a link to it works on kali linux with the xfce DE so it must be more commonly implemented then i thought because i had never heard of that before.

[@strule]

works on manjaro kde as well

[@whatusernameis5295]

@@strule ok TIL

[@ex0stasis72]

The shortcut to drag and drop a file to make a shortcut is pretty standard on everything. It may or may not be shift+Ctrl, but if you just start dragging and dropping a file, before you release it, try different combinations of shift, ctrl, an alt until you see the shortcut or alias icon by your mouse cursor.

[@SciPunk215]

A fair review of a fair review. See, we can all get along !!

[@ceecrb1]

Saw the title of this video, clicked the link and saw exactly what I expected to see!

[@pantallahueso]

I'm very certain Linus wasn't saying that Linux should be designed to work exactly the same as Windows.

[@BrodieRobertson]

That's the way it sounded to me

[@pantallahueso]

@@BrodieRobertson What Linus *said* was that if you want Windows users to transition to Linux, you have to accommodate those people, as they are going to come in with a "Windows Gamer" perspective. Which you agreed to. He never stated, or even suggested, that Linux should be the same as Windows. Heck, he tried OS X just a few years back, and the only thing he seemed to really dislike was Finder. If you asked him if Linux *should* work exactly like Windows, I'm confident he'd say "absolutely not". In fact, you could probably ask him to clarify what he meant when he does his next WAN show stream. He does respond to super chats.

[@reychop]

To be honest most of the complaints can be addressed because error boxes and status messages are not that “obvious”. That’s not trying to make it windows-like or mac os like. It just means that despite advances in linux distros, user friendliness still remains an issue that bars its adoption into mainstream use. I think it’s actually great that they made this challenge. And hopefully some linux distros would take some of the criticisms to heart because to be honest linux still remains close to my heart. I love the open source philosophy and the fact that linux can accommodate lower end systems better than windows or mac. But as it stands there are still a few barriers that can pave the way to linux being installed as the default OS on laptops or home PCs.

[@stephanweinberger]

@12:00 AFAIK that's exactly the same keyboard shortcut that Windows has been using since at least Win2k: Ctrl+drag -> copy, Shift+drag -> move, Ctrl+Shift+Drag -> link

[@WindosNZ]

tbf, I don't think Linus _intended_ to cryptographically sign the PDF it's just the path his default PDF app pointed him at, and he didn't stop to think if he should follow it. Speculation ahead: it's possible he assumed that all digitized signatures use certificates and that Windows/Adobe generates the cert automatically and put this app asking for one down to "eh, it's just a Linux quirk."

[@thetechguychannel]

>Any sensible compressor is going to make the file a hidden file until it's done. Technically, what Windows does is a bit better, because you can still encounter Linus' confusion if you have "See hidden files" enabled in your file manager. WinRAR and Windows' own compression utility creates a temporary directory in an obscure folder in one of the partitions where it extracts the files then moves them over when done. I was thinking of doing a merge request (don't have a lot of time to maintain a fork, so hoping that the devs let me put that in) for Ark that would do this in the ~/.cache folder.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Linux has a /tmp directory for exactly that but a hidden file is at least a step

[@thetechguychannel]

@@BrodieRobertson Roger that. I think that would be better, but if I recall, /var/tmp needs sudo whereas /home/$USER/.cache does not, correct?

[@thyscott6603]

I can sign documents with Adobe fillnsign. And I do it like weekly. Linus didn't not understand it, he just was mislead because signing can be two different things as you explained.

[@jemsterr]

That's the only way I have ever done a secure signature on any platform. (And usually, I use my phone with the touchscreen).

[@larsradtke4097]

Printer: get a brother HP? HPlip mandatory, it installs proprietary Firmware for GDI printer, then they just work. If PCL usually no issue. KDE Dolphin: go to fonts:/ then copy font over. Shift control, it is always like that in Windows since Win95! The studdering, might be an issue if missing swap size. If the RAM runs full this happens.

[@tomclark1213]

And the right model of Brother is probably one of the lowest cost to print per page in the business. I think HPs use gold and kryptonite in their toner/ink.

[@larsradtke4097]

@@tomclark1213 some say HP uses unobtainium ....

[@SteltekOne]

Get a Brother printer. They just work! (Generally laser printers tend to be better as you can fall back to generic PostScript drivers.) Printers that are horrible as they use proprietary blobs: Inkjets, particularly by HP and Epson.

[@thyscott6603]

For some reason Linux just doesn't want to let the user know of anything that is going on. For example, Windows; I open a folder (the address bar fills in green colour), I open a system directory without rights (prompts UAC for admin login), I move a file (window pops up with speed and time), I extract a zip (gives me the choice to open the folder after completion and time and speed). There are like endless QOL tweaks that are missing, the gui is basically a waste of everyones time.

[@pablo2001nov]

I think he knows some parts of Linux really well due to his familiarity with servers and also the 6 Editors 1 CPU he did an year ago.. You should check out that series , it's pretty good...

[@monocle2337]

On copying & pasting a file, it isn't actually anything complicated with "buffers", etc. It is simply just that Linus has a HUGE screen. He cannot see the notification that the item is copying. ALL his screen recordings are just a cropped portion of his huge screen, and you can see at 2:09 that the bottom right part of the screen has a notification. This would not happen to anyone else with a normal-sized screen.

[@henlofren7321]

yessssss let's blame the hardware for the job of the OS.

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

I think the GUIs actually glossed over some of the trouble that they might have potentially had in this challenge. Copy-pasting from one drive to another. Linux handles storage media in a very different way to Windows. No drive letters, etc. I'm sure it might trip the occasional noob that their thumb drive would mount in /media/username. But most DEs I'm aware of helpfully have a Devices section on the side bar. It might catch a Windows user that they're called Links, not Shortcuts. And such like that. Though yes, much of the actual problems they encounter were because James didn't really design the challenge well.

[@sajon_]

I don't know if I am mistaken or not, but I think you misunderstood Linus at 20:47, or at least I think so. He wasn't making a point about making linux 'more like windows', but pointing out that windows has the most users, and a lot of them are gamers, and to make them move over to linux it need to be more intuitive for them, it does not need to like windows or mac. At least that's how I interpreted it. Anyway, good video as always.

[@frostbound]

Luke mentions in an episode of the WAN show that the screen lagging he is experiencing has been a known issue since 2013 or 15...so now he's thinking about distro-hopping if they care that little about issues

[@BrodieRobertson]

Oh I feel like someone mentioned that clip I just didn't see it, a problem witht he FOSS world is a a lot of projects like to keep adding shiny new features without worrying about how stable the base is

[@kjeldgaard0]

Brodie, I wrote this in a comment to one of your earlier videos, but probably too late for you to see it. In the old days, it was well known by users of Unix systems that file operations are buffered by the kernel and you need to use the command `sync` to flush the buffers to the physical devices. Because this could sometimes take a moment, the idiom became to run the command twice, like this: "sync; sync", but the second one isn't actually needed (the first one is slow, the next one fast, because buffers are now flushed). So on Linux, issue the command "sync" to flush files to the thumbdrive.

[@1Vaudevillian1]

In canada, for a lot of purposes, you have to digitally sign the way linus was doing it.

[@JonLikesStats]

I had a similar problem on the 4k where my monitor resolution was defaulting to a crazy high value on each of 3 screens. That was where my mind went on the 4k video challenge

[@kolegakolegi]

I am using 'brother' printer. Has Linux drivers. When I was buying the printer I made sure the producer had Linux drivers beforehand. It has some quirks, but overall it works.

[@herewestand]

Totally agree with you Brodie on the concept of making something intuitive. I worked as a human centered design consultant + Front End SWE. We kept track of how many key strokes users make in applications, how many screens they had to visit before getting to their goal, how many times they had to google something, how much time they are spending on each screen and why. etc. It takes like one of these areas to go wrong to literally lose a customer to a competitor. You hit it right on the nose with the intuitive comparison of macOS, android, or ios. also imo LOL: Terminal is not simplicity, its efficiency, it takes work to be well versed in it, to get that efficiency. It took me several years of managing virtual machines, and bringing up Kubernetes clusters to be well versed in Terminal. (i changed careers at some point in my life lol )

[@RasmusFrederiksen169]

So printing was one of the only things I was somewhat dreading when looking into switching my mom's old 32-bit pc (like actually 18 years old at this point, it's old enough to drive; old and weak, unable to keep up with windows and just normal usage), but turns out that bad printer+scanner we have works just fine; mostly anyway, the scanner does scan, but after finishing it reports "failed to initiate scan" (even though it actually did scan, and the scan can be saved and works fine)

[@annieworroll4373]

REgarding printing, I've had great luck with the two Canon lasers I've owned over the past 12ish years. The scanner in my mf3010 even works painlessly despite thd linux driver saying "print only"

[@sir_no_name1478]

A Printer that works directly: HP Laser jet MFP 135w. Have fun. Never had any problems. Hell I had more problems on windows for that matter. To connect to the router use the wps approach

[@CdrmnkNathan]

Linus experience with linux has been mostly in the server space. Which would most likely involve KVM usage hence his knowledge. Digitally signing with certificates is done everywhere, even in Australia. Good luck trying to get anything done in a corporate environment if you don't. Most telcos, government agencies etc will send orders via docusign, eversign adobe sign etc cause it's easier than expecting the end user to know what they are doing in regards to digitally signing.

[@AndersJackson]

This third video was actually much better then the first or second episode. If he WAIT for the copy to be finished copy 3G, which take minutes, it WILL update the file browser. Both failed the sign a PDF document. Linus was on the correct track. You can as easy install the font on your user account. Printing with Cups works great, on most printers. VLC didn't work in full screen, but other players do. The settings in KDE to make it usable make me not try KDE, but other like that. All major distributions do have some extra repositories that are community delivered. About Dolphin, Linus forced the CLI apt to install a bad package, and complained that the package ACTUALLY did what he said. "Do as I say!". But when Dolphin stop him from actually change system files so he risk to "brick" the computer, he say it is wrong. He have to choose, either allow users to "brick" the computer OR to stop people to do stupid things, as beginners does.

[@axalius572]

13:50 I am also experiencing this on NVIDIA hardware. Sometimes even my audio gets distorted by this.

[@tomclark1213]

Reread through the comments section here, I've seen a couple of potential solutions offered by others already.

[@EpiX0R]

2 years later and we do have HDR on Linux! Yay! Happy HDR moment everybody!

[@CharlesKalaydjian]

Actually the reason for the black screen and lag in game / moving window / camera / recording are very simple, KDE moved to Wayland by default and this problem doesn't exist when on XORG, so choosing XORG as display server solve the issue, specially with Nvidia. Went thru the same thing after installing arch with KDE and Wayland (noticed that on archinstall, Wayland is included by default for KDE). For the purists I just wanted to test the archinstall, I usually do the cli install, but noticed after trying it that is actually better to install via archinstall to have a minimal but functional install (vanilla KDE without all the apps), by that I mean less packets and everything working out of the box.

[@CyFr]

File compression should, similarly like windows, bring up a progress bar that can be dismissed to the bottom of the screen. For new users, it's a nice to have notification. For power users, you're probably more likely to want it to be dismissed to the notification area. So a simple "don't show this again" should suffice.

[@wachsmalstift]

I recently was downloading a zip file from a pixiv fanbox and I was extremely surprised that the photoshop file had a logo in the file manager, and then even opened in gimp and was displayed properly. Another time after installing ubuntu for my grandma I test printed a document and without setting up anything. It detected the printer from 50 metres away (in another building), over bluetooth and perfectly printed. That kinda scared me.

[@magiuspendragon]

I didn't think Linus *interpreted* the challenge as cryptographically signing the pdf, but the dialogue boxes lead him to that - there's a little moment where it says the signature is too long to read, and the option he selects leads him to a certificate signing instead.

[@BrodieRobertson]

I would hope he understands what a certificate is considering he's messed around with servers.

[@Fuzzi999]

huh shift+ctl while dragging also works in plasma and the video player Linus was using is VLC

[@mitcoes]

In Spain sign a PDF is done with certificates as Libre Office offers you to do.

[@igordasunddas3377]

In Ubuntu printing worked flawlessly for me, too. I had a HP DeskJet 3050A or something and a Kyocera CDW5521 or something. Absolutely no drivers or software - it just worked.

[@vincet88]

in italy, a digital signature of a pdf is what linus was doing, what luke had done is a graphometric signature.

[@BrodieRobertson]

I've heard the term electronic signature, I hadn't heard graphometric signature before now

[@genericgamer1319]

in kde you can just drag a file somewhere & plasma will show you a menu to copy move or create a link

[@chazsewell]

The weird window/screen stutter/locking issue is something I've experienced every time I use an NVIDIA GPU combined with Cinnamon and a Debian based distro, interestingly on Arch based distro with Cinnamon and the same hardware I've not had that issue. There is a way to fix it but updates break it and I honestly can't remember what the fix/issue is.

[@ransan]

For the record, my Nemo context menu has a "Make Link" action, but I'm pretty sure I toggled something to make that visible.

[@prozacgodretro]

When Luke was moving the windows around it made me think he was using llvm pipe for the actual desktop environment?

[@hojjat5000]

Printers in Linux use CUPS which is something that I think Apple was funding. It's pretty seamless for wireless printing. I have had issues if I connect the printer directly. Also scanning is kinda weird. But printing wirelessly has always been fine (printing on both sides and more specific kinda printing might not work though) I'm not that surprised that Linus didn't know random extensions means it's temporary (that's how a lot of software do it, like for example your browser trying to download something, or your torrent client). I'm not surprised, because I saw him try to right-click and save a webpage. So, nothing shocks me anymore.

[@yaltschuler]

I've been trying to get my grandfather's computer to connect to his printer directly from past 2 weeks. Are you saying that it's way easier to connect it wirelessly through CUPS?

[@hojjat5000]

@@yaltschuler In my experience, with a few printers over the years, yes. If your printer is connected to the same wifi that your computer is connected to, Linux will automatically find it and add it to the list (of course you can search and add it manually too). It's pretty fast and pretty reliable. Luke didn't need to do anything and it was available to him automatically, Linus decided to add it manually and chose the printer from a list to get the drivers. Either way, in my experience wireless is easier.

[@Mental_Patient]

I don't know why, but my Brother printer seems to work with wireless better than usb. No idea why.

[@gustavrsh]

For some reason my wireless Samsung (HP) printer doesn't work with CUPS at all, it says "filter failed", some issue with ghostscript... I searched for a solution for days and couldn't make it work

[@hojjat5000]

@@Mental_Patient My hp also works better with wireless than wired. The Brother printer that I use at work, works fine wired.

[@gwgux]

I didn't think Linus was saying Linux should just do things the Windows way per say, but the way he worded it definitely made it sound like it. I had to re-watch that bit on his video a couple times and it's pretty damn ambiguous. My take on it was that he wanted Linux to be a little more accommodating to Windows users so that it would be easier for them to make the transition. If he wasn't on KDE and using Dolphin for his file manager, I think his take on it would've been completely different. My personal opinion is that Cinnamon, XFCE, and Deepin are the better DEs right now for a Windows user to try and jump into Linux with. I love KDE for what it does, but, for users who are coming from Windows where they have so few options to configure their desktop by comparison, I think it can overwhelm a lot of them. KDE is one of those situations where you can look at screenshots of it side-by-side with Windows and see similarities, but when you start using it you quickly find it really isn't meant to be like the Windows environment you came from. KDE borrows a few concepts and Windows has copied some ideas from KDE, but KDE aims to surpass the Windows desktop on a system that really isn't meant to be another Windows to begin with. For all of Linus's comments on making the transition, the other DEs already do a better job of it IMO and more DEs are being worked on as well so they may be added to the list someday too.

[@chibicitiberiu]

In the first challenge (cutting and pasting) I think he just didn't notice the progress indicator on the bottom right. He does the same mistake again later in the video with zipping some files. You can see that the size of the file is still growing. KDE's progress indicators are just badly designed.

[@add2cart754]

I was so surprised at the printer results as well. But I installed ZorinOS on my GFs PC and she asked me if we could setup her printer. I was like: "Oh no not a printer" but I just connected it and boom, it worked. It probably was easier than any experience I had on windows, ever.

[@jeffsadowski]

I was copying a file yesterday at work in XFCE and was surprised it had a progress indicator to make it obvious and avoid the 1st issue.

[@danielkrajnik3817]

You made me remember that people always said that printing on Linux was su optimal, but my experience in 2022 with lp command line utility from cups and Okular pdf reader was superb and drivers were better than on Windows (managed to print some tricky linetypes)

[@mizinoinovermyhead.7523]

I think the issue with the laggy and stuttery window drag performance is resource allocation. I think the driver just sucks at scheduling and with the game running and capture running it can't figure out how to schedule tasks for the GPU correctly, result is that when it tries to follow the window and redraw it over and over again it ends up "dropping frames" and it does it everywhere not just on the window. However since the priority of the game and video stream are higher they experience less...Maybe I'm kinda guessing.

[@ShiroKage009]

I don't think that Linus meant that Linux should copy Windows. It's to tell people that "coming from a windows background" is the almost the default at this point and accommodations have to be made. I think he would agree with you that the distros should be more intuitive in their own way (the macOS is a great example).

[@Moister356]

The same deal goes from Android to iOS

[@Silverhawk-u2f]

In my experience, most file manager are single threaded for file compression for some reason, where as 7-zip (what most people use on Windows) is multi-threaded. So it's waaaaaaaay faster.

[@ssokolow]

"I don't know what printers they have that make everything just work" Probably HP. They have an official bundle of open-source drivers named "hplip" in the major distro repos that has made every Inkjet and Color Laser I've ever personally tried Just Work and a gigantic compatibility table on their website with an implicitly apologetic yes/no column for stuff where they had to include a binary-only component because the printer uses tech licensed from someone else.

[@tenken1986]

For the flickering black screen. I've seen my laptop do that with both default and VLC player in pop os. Full screen flickers, maximized window screen no flicker.

[@AppleyardAndy]

If you remember Linus had to setup a VM to get some of his hardware working. Mainly, if i remember right, his lighting for video recording could only be controlled from Windows.

[@BFunk590]

Not sure if someone has commented already on the problem with Luke's system lagging when moving the window, but it could be an issue with how Nvidia handles changing between 2D content mode for the desktop, and 3D content mode for the game. I've run into a problem on Windows where having my wallpaper set to change at short intervals causes serious system lag when it changes while playing a game because of this changeover.

[@ex0stasis72]

My experience trying to print on Windows, Mac, and Linux is that Linux and Max work flawlessly every time, and Windows will fail to print about 50% of the time with the same printer.

[@SolidSt8Dj]

I have yet to try printing on macOS, but my android phone works 95% of the time and windows, as you mentioned, is a coin-flip.

[@Dave102693]

Even both Android and Ios/IpadOs does a much better job. Same with ChromeOS.

[@ex0stasis72]

Oh I forgot how easy it was to print from Android and iOS as well.

[@bleack8701]

It's so weird hearing people have problems with printers when I've never had a problem with printing unless I was out of ink or something

[@cheako91155]

14:06 I get this all the time around disk IO, specifically swap. Yes, I know more memory, but the entire system freezes on every disk access is just wrong. I've had this constantly from seemingly y2k till I switched from Gnome3 to LXDE.

[@DarrylAdams]

Linus does use Linux a lot outside of the challenge. His experience is server side and thanks to his use of unraid VM, he has lots of experience in VM setup. He also has a tame Anthony.

[@BrodieRobertson]

That's what I'm getting at, he's dived into very small parts of Linux and knows nothing about anything else