Everything Bad About Z Moves

[@harryalan9818]

Pikachu's 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt is not only the strongest z-move of them all but is also the most recognisable.

[@LuisPrismatico-yuh-uh]

Light that burns the sky...

[@videos43334dhdjj774h]

Yes is the strongest Z-move in the anime

[@Alcremie869]

I'd say Heaven Scorching Light of Destruction/ Light That Burns The Sky is more recognisable

[@gabrielcutter3484]

I think Z moves and Mega evolution have two unique reasons why they are beloved in different ways. Mega-evolution has to do with the bonds between trainer and pokemon while using a special stone for that specific pokemon to gain greater power to reach a new form. Z-moves is focus on gathering Aloha energy aka Ultra aura, to perform powerful attacks while being insync with your pokemon. They actually explain it in the anime.

[@Pokiiii62]

Very fair

[@jenniferdaniels701]

What I appreciate about the z moves is that any pokemon can use one, as long as they knew a move of that type. With megas, there were only a few who could use it.

[@Pokiiii62]

That is very valid

[@selenalulamoon1167]

Yeah and they kept that theme with the other gimmicks as well. Tho g maxing had abit of both.

[@smoxthybweh]

Thats my main gripe with megas it's just so limiting

[@SMM5]

You bring up good points, but I honestly think the hate around Z-Moves was really extra. I honestly think it’s really cool to have your own little equivalent to an anime finisher in game and the fact that anyone can do it fits really well with the themes of Alola and the Pokémon franchise as a whole I also just think doing poses with your Pokémon, and having to be in complete sync with them, is a way better showcase of the bond between Pokémon and trainer than mega ever were. Sure, you also need both to pull off a mega evolution, but with Z-Moves you’re quite literally taking the zenith of you and your Pokémon’s power and putting it into one giant attack I also just think the lore behind Z-Moves was way better than that of megas, which ig is to a fault since the story of Kalos was pretty poorly thought out compared to that of Alola, but even so, it’s pretty cool that Z-Moves were the result of Necrozma falling apart due to the people of its own world exploiting its power too much, and that the player is to give in order to get it on its side While Mega’s are an amazing concept and a great creation… that’s kind of all they are on a thematic level, and it’s not like megas done have their fair share of duds too. I mean, you wanna talk about how poor a lot of the Z-Moves looked? Gimme a sec so I can pull receipts from mega’s Venasaur (idc who gets offended by it, that design’s mid), Camerupt, Manectric, Aerodactyl, Slowbro, Charizard Y, Auduno, and Heracross, which also looked pretty mid if you ask me. Z-Moves are better thematically and, as a concept, they’re just cooler in my opinion, but that’s just me

[@Pokiiii62]

But the thing is that the designs of the megas are purely subjective whereas the z moves objectively speaking were poorly optimized and compared to any kind of animation produced in sword and shield was essentially disgusting to look at 😭

[@SMM5]

@@Pokiiii62 eh, by that logic I could still argue that a good deal of the megas were lazily designed. A common criticism I see for mega evolution is that a lot of them are essentially just over designing them from their original counterparts, “just making them bigger and spikier” as it’s commonly put, and while I do disagree with this in a few cases like Steelix, the examples I brought up are essentially that Agree to disagree I suppose

[@harryalan9818]

The clash between Bloom Doom and Oceanic Operetta was truly an emotional battle of Mallow vs. Lana, but if the z-moves didn't cancel each other out, which one of them would make a direct hit?

[@Sybry605]

Probably bloom doom

[@amberknight7301]

Twinkle Tackle was a mistake. Would have been way better if it was called something like ‘Glamorous Finish’ and was animated to be a massive explosion of light and sparkle.

[@Pokiiii62]

REAL

[@mattiasolsson1523]

No problem with Z-move, it could only use once which i don’t really thinking so much. Mega evolution was a really cool idea and still is, i wish Pokémon can bring mega evolution back in the upcoming Pokémon legend Z-A game.

[@defaultbetter6749]

Megas>>Z moves >> dynamax >> Uhh the crystal shit

[@Pokiiii62]

LOL

[@princen632]

For me if terrastalization didn't have those stupid hats, it would have been my first pick for gimmicks It would be terra>megas>z-moves>dinamax

[@dragonphoenix790]

Imagine if Mega Evolution Pokemon use a Z-Moves, it'd be a combination to break it through right? For example Mega Charizard X with Inferno Overdrive, instead of normal fire, it'd be a blue fire Inferno Overdrive but animation will be as sick as the anime

[@ericlang7987]

Well you could argue that Gigantamax is like Mega Evolution and Z-Moves both being used at the same time

[@a.p.studios8713]

That is legit an idea i had with my mega gardevoir and mega gallade from my ORAS team going to alola and firing a wicked combined Shattered Psyche, one physical slash, another special blast

[@sidhantramasayam6014]

of course the mascot gets three z-moves 💀

[@Pokiiii62]

Real 😭

[@butterskutz]

Personally i love Z Moves especially because of the anime because of they show both trainer and Pokemon dancing as one. It showed a different kind of bond that felt in theme with the Alola reigon as a whole. The fact in both game and anime its a trainer's energy being shared with their Pokemon is very sweet and just makes it feel more impactful emotionally. Plus, while in game they do tend to animate a little goofy, to me at least it feels like a superhero calling out his final attack. Kinda like My Hero Academia to some degree, which further makes me appreciate Z Moves.

[@ResurgentRaven]

I think Z-moves had to battle in the shadow of Megas. Because of that, Z-moves got judged harshly. Still, there are certain things that Z - moves do that I think the others don't. 1) Z-moves are incredibly balanced for simply being a one-time move that does massive damage. The effect does little afterwards, with some exceptions. Unlike Megas which can sweep a match, G-max which turns all of your attacks into Z-moves for 3 turns, and Teras which become defensive mindgames and in certain cases, can make certain pokemon into the most elite sweepers (as seen with Regieleki (Tera Ice)). 2) Z-moves aren't just a simple gimmick. They have extreme cultural significance (especially in the anime). You could argue the others are the same, but consider the following: - Megas almost have no significance other than enhancing the Bond between a trainer and pokemon. The only real lore is really the Bond phenomenon and the Rayquaza Mega. (This may age poorly depending on what they do in Legends Z-A.) - G-max you could argue has cultural significance considering it is only used in Stadiums and Max Raids, but the lore is heavily relegated to Eternatus, which is left to interpretation. -Terrastalize formations are very similar except their cultural existence is heavily relegated to Terapagos and Area Zero, the latter of which only explains how Tera orbs were created, and the former is only briefly mentioned in the DLC. 3) Most have already said this, but one thing that every gimmick besides Megas have is the ability to be used on any pokemon, not just select ones (some of which don't even need a mega form, such as the pseudo legendaries). Z-moves and Max forms also do have signatures, but at least everyone else isn't relegated to having no Z-moves at all. Teras are the most relative, since every pokemon can use them.

[@akshaytolwani8381]

What I don't like about most gimmicks is the lack of counterplay a person without gimmicks has. Realistically a good trainer without gimmicks can reasonably only beat terrestalization Mega evolution can be pretty tough to beat without your own mega but its possible. Ash beat Korrina's mega lucario and Korrina used mega lucario in a gym battle against a normal trainer in the episode Ash's lucario gets a mega stone so a person qualifying for the Kalos League likely beat one. Z move problems are mentioned in the video so wont repeat them here. Countering a Z move is possible like Gladion did and since pokemon are tired after Z moves which is a great opportunity to attack so countering a Z move is possible. Z moves can be dodged like Hau did and ash against Olivia and also be tanked like brock did. There are plenty of examples in the anime that countering a Z move without a gimmick is possible but it feels extremely unlikely. Dynamax basically seems impossible to counter without a gimmick. Even Pikachu couldnt hurt one in its base form like the centipede in the epsisode when pokemon randomly dynamaxed and dreadnaw in the Ash's first trip to Galar. Only Leon and Raihan are shown to be able to defeat Dynamax without a gimmick AFAIK . All pokemon can dynamax and it doesnt require a rare material so it is very accessible though Terrestalization is extremely well balanced and any good trainer should be able to defeat one.

[@YM-cb5yd]

I loved z moves and I will say they are overshadowed by megas but even in comp they are amazing and the poses lowkey go hard asf

[@vanessasandoval96]

I love using Z Moves with my Pokémon Waterium Z for Greninja is Hydro Vortex Pikanium Z for Pikachu and also Electrium Z of Giga Volt Havoc Deciduim Z for Decidueye is Sinister Arrow Raid Lycanium Z for dusk Lycanroc of Splintered Storm Shards Solgalium Z for Solgaleo Searing Sunraze Smash Mimikium Z for Mimikyu of Let’s Snuggle Forever Darkinium Z for Krookodile of Black Hole Eclipse Ghostium Z for Gengar is Never Ending Nightmare Dragonium Z for Dragonite and Goodra is Devastating Drake Icium Z for Alolan Sandslash of Subzero Slammer

[@solarium-z8230]

4:25 Only for the common Z-Moves. There are Z-Moves *exclusively* for certain Pokemon(You never see a Weedle using Light That Burn The Sky without hacking the game). 4:34 You can technically buff your Pokemon using Status Z-Moves(I haven't seen anyone doing it, though, but you can do it in the games).

[@angelcordones6206]

Splash Z was widely used on Gyarados in VGC, the movement is generally useless, but its counterpart Z movement increases the physical attack by 3 levels, the Gyarados is covered with the help of a partner, Gyarados is protected and with said Z Movement it is makes it a much more dangerous sweeper than usual, Solgaleo also used this strategy because Cosmoem can also learn said move.

[@solarium-z8230]

@@angelcordones6206 OK, that's insane!

[@MinisterChicken]

I think the reason they didn’t expand mega evolution is because it would cut down the amount of new pokemon added If you look at the new pokemon added in XY, there is only 72 new pokemon in that game, the lowest ever added, and the most logical assumption to make is that that was because the design team were spending time on megas instead of new pokemon In an ideal world the games would be delayed to make time for the design team to give us plenty of new pokemon and a new set of megas, but we all know that the pokemon games don’t get delayed, nor given enough time in the first place Now, some could make the argument that they’d rather have less new pokemon in exchange for more megas, which, either side of the argument is fair To be clear I don’t really have a side, I just haven’t seen enough people point this out as a reason against megas expansion (Obviously in oras and legends ZA there won’t be many new pokemon anyway so the megas can be added without taking away from the main roster)

[@rickyronny4019]

I actually liked Z moves. I do prefer Mega Evolutions tho

[@Pokiiii62]

Same to both

[@shatteredyoshi]

This video is about how this dude LOVES Megas and HATES Z moves. Legends ZA became one of my least anticipated Pokémon games as soon as they teased Megas. I was happy Megas were dead.

[@Pokiiii62]

So your argument is that I am just biased to hating z moves and loving megas and then right after you talk about how much you DESPISE megas and love (presumably) z moves. The hypocrisy is hilarious 😭🙏 Not to mention at the very end of the video I mentioned how z moves as a concept aren't BAD they just had poor execution. I actually like z moves but they were nowhere near as well made as something like megas or even dynamax

[@shatteredyoshi]

@@Pokiiii62 I never said I liked Z moves lmao. I just think it's silly that in a video about z moves, you talked so much about Megas. Why didn't a single Kalos mon get a mega? Because megas were nostalgia pandering and that pisses me off I do think z moves were better than Megas, but I don't like z moves either. Dynamaxing and Terastilization are both much better gimmicks for battling

[@SMM5]

@@shatteredyoshi”Dynamax & Tere > Z-Moves and megas” Can’t say I agree, but I can respect a based take

[@Hornswroggle]

What I found the most pointless about Z-Moves was, that they were trying to bring the occasional over-the-top Supermoves Pokemon would perform in certain situations (Like Pikachu getting struck by lighting and suddenly having a 4x more powerful Electroball) from the Anime to the games, that by itself would maybe have been fine, were it not for the technical limitation of the 3DS. But then, because they're now a game mechanic, they tried to bring that mechanic back into the anime. But the Anime didn't need Z-Moves, because there, these kinds of power bursts happen anyways, and didn't need a mechanic to make them possible.

[@solarium-z8230]

@@Hornswroggle Idk, I've never seen the anime make an electric version of Bicker Final Illusion/Bicker Charge Break prior to the introduction of Z-Moves.

[@KuroBlitz]

It would've made more sense for Z-Moves to have come before Mega Evolutions, even from a story standpoint. Z-Moves are about light energy, the thing AZ's Ultimate Weapon is fueled by. It was also part of Team Flare's plan. Glittering Cave, Power Plant, Pokéball Factory and Frost Cavern are beacons to get not only energy, but crystals too. And since Mega Evo is about bonds with Humans, reaching that apex in Alola due to its culture just seems logical.

[@Pokiiii62]

interesting

[@endy7630]

It was infinity energy but ok

[@KuroBlitz]

@@endy7630 Infinity Energy is bioenergy emitted from every Pokémon, Mega Evo is a dose boost way The energy of Z-Moves, Dynamax and Tera are variants (all the same) since they come from Mons too

[@KuroBlitz]

@@Pokiiii62 Imagine the Anistar Sundial being a massive raw Z-Crystal and these would be created from the land by Zygarde, henceforth the Z the Pokémon that guards the ecossystems creating Z-Moves could work it would've been an upgrade of the Elemental Gems that we see in Gen 5 and with this, the ORAS plot with Devon Corp would've made sense too Steven hunting for Z-Crystals... have Ultra Necrozma be Mega Necrozma

[@endy7630]

@@KuroBlitz oh THATS what you meant! Clever...

[@Kings0424]

Yeah I can see why it was Hated. Don't get wrong, I liked Z Moves but not much though because it felt like it was just a special attack where it's like you already knew whoever was gonna win whoever use that Z-Move but with Mega Evolution, so like you know how you watch the Dragon Ball anime and every Super Sayian would power up to that next level and you never knew what was gonna happen, yeah that was Mega Evolution. Mega Evolution was just so more powerful and easy to activate quickly that the battle got more and more intense and it could go either way

[@g3nd1a69]

Honestly, I feel like Totem Pokémon could’ve been a more solid battle gimmick. Imagine being able to totemize your Pokémon using a Z crystal granted to you by a specific Tapu. Each of the 4 crystals would have a different effect on your Pokémon in battle. This could lead to a variety of strategies instead of just a really fancy strong move. It would also save time and animation cost.

[@acetrainerleo483]

I loved z moves. The z power ring is my favorite gimmick item. I remember seeing everyones KZbin avatar having it during the gen 7 days and i wanted one of me. Also i love z moves

[@CaptainAloof]

I have a counter argument to your fact saying that anyone can use a z move, my counter argument is that the anime and game both stated only when you are in perfect sync with your pokemon, you can use the z move, this was shown in journeys with the all-out brothers

[@pokegod70419]

ask literally ANY vgc player from 2017-2019 and they will complain about z-moves

[@Roman-Noodlez]

7:06 Then Megas would get stale and wouldn’t feel special anymore. Each region having their own gimmick adds so much to the lore

[@Pokiiii62]

I think it's quite the opposite. It causes the lore to become even more all over the place. What your basically saying is that we need over 10 gimmicks in the franchise. Which is NOT HEALTHY once o ever

[@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452]

@@Pokiiii62 It only expands the Pokémon world though, it show us how Xernea and Yveltal aren't the only ones who can created Gimmicks, Necrozma did, Eternatus did, Terapagos did, the only problem is that fans will always argue about which is better... Which just stupid! They're all good in their own ways, why can't we all accept that??

[@SMM5]

@@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452preach

[@ghostlypriority7906]

I like Z moves but I have a biased opinion. Pokemon ultra sun was the first ever Pokemon game I played so it holds a special place in my heart

[@Pokiiii62]

Very valid friend

[@mechamuffin07]

I like Z-moves better than Mega Evolutions

[@vanessasandoval96]

What if other Pokemon can have Z moves like Greninja its own Z move called Whirlpool Shuriken

[@MelchVagquest]

2:40 Your co-host (narrator?) misused the term "Sight for sore eyes." The term is meant to convey seeing something positive, but he used it as a negative descriptor

[@Pokiiii62]

Yeah ik lol he's a silly little guy doe so cut him some slack

[@LuapXD]

What an idiot that co host is

[@MelchVagquest]

@@Pokiiii62Alright, since he's silly

[@endergameing105]

6:16 galicapod use liquidation -guzma destroying lana

[@LuapXD]

Z moves got me like 😡🕺

[@Pokiiii62]

LOL REAL

[@Dany-rx7rs]

😂😂

[@azazel166]

They got in the way of Mega Evolution, unless you were a Kyurem, a Zygarde or a Necrozma.

[@JasLamArr91]

I loved Z Moves! I didn't mind anything about it. I like how the trainer has to physically do a pose in order to initiate them.

[@ocyrussteadt232]

I think Mega evolution was the best power up. Sure only few Pokemon could use it, but the anime had already brought up the idea of bond phenomenon, which is a mega evolution type of power that doesn't require the stones. If they explored that route in the games, it would make every Pokemon worth chucking a ball at simply because of the morbid curiosity the players would have.

[@a.p.studios8713]

Since i see a lot of discussion is mentioned, i thought it would be neat for mega pokemon to have exclusive moves that get powered up in their mega forms Then i realized thats basically gmax without the size and time limit

[@Pokiiii62]

Real 😭

[@capnjacksparroww]

dude what would be cool to see us a face reveal, and you could do that by reacting to the new ZA pokémon game

[@Sybry605]

They had "Z" in the name

[@kazukigaming2837]

5:12 it looks like a T-posing horse is flying to kill u in 7800miles a minute with a chad aura surrounding it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hailthequeenFM]

Shout out to Kyurem-Black OHKO-ing Ferrothorn with Z-Glaciate Sub-Zero Slammer and Protain-Greninja OHKO-ing Toxapex with Z-Dig Tectonic Rage.

[@Mimikins777]

I feel like z moves were inspired by greninja's giant water shuriken that he used against sawyer and alain , i think they though it would be cool if everyone had one special move like greninja

[@SMM5]

On god I thought that was a tease for Z-Moves… only for Battle Bond Greninja to not get an exclusive Z-Move despite sppearung in the Melemelee tutorial… smh

[@trainerfrostaura]

Z-Moves in the anime reminded me of Inazuma Eleven Hissatsu Techniques

[@thetrapmaster]

I think Z moves are better in game play then competative. While mega's are better in competative, because if you use mega's in the story it is very boring because trainers only have 1 or 2 pokemon so it feels usless to mega your pokemon while Z moves can be used if the trainer is pretty tough like the kauna's. So yea megas are better in competative and Z moves in the story

[@vanessasandoval96]

Hey would there be a Sun and Moon remake after Legends Z-A happens and also what if other Pokemon could be Alola form like Sableye

[@lasercraft32]

Z-Moves would have been a lot more likeable if they ditched the goofy ah animations... Why does the trainer have to pose like that? Its goofy, its dumb, and the actual attack animations aren't much better (Twinkle Tackle especially is laughably bad).

[@Pokiiii62]

Frrr

[@jesuspernia8031]

Honestly I never gave Z moves much though. I was like “huh these exist now”. But yeah I think megas were by far the best gimmick. I think Dynamax is the worst. I’m still mixed on terastalize. I still think it’s a get out of jail free card and sorta noob-ish, but at the same time you can do some cool things with it.

[@MorrowMoon_thenightwing]

I don’t really have a problem with z moves on the anime. Sure sometimes you know that the battle will soon end, but many other things do that too, it’s just to create a climactic end to the battle. Sure they could end it with nothing special, and you would be surprised that it ended then, but it wouldn’t feel as climactic. Also, characters do use z moves that don’t end the battle, like Hala using one against ash in the island challenge, or Lana using one against Guzma in the alola league Also the animations in the anime are generally pretty good imo, but sometimes last a bit long, althtough mostly I think they’re fat enough

[@Pokiiii62]

It gets pretty old though when you use the z move every single battle

[@MorrowMoon_thenightwing]

@@Pokiiii62 I haven’t played the games, but yeah that long animation way too annoying for me to bother using

[@angelcordones6206]

​@@MorrowMoon_thenightwingIt's a special gimmick after all, you don't go use on every Rattata level that appears in the game. You probably will use whatever gimmick in final of the main battles from every game.

[@unknown-s7k]

Video idea Ranking every starters signature move

[@purinsann21403]

And the fact that they never use Twinkle Tackle in the anime.

[@Pokiiii62]

Wait 💀

[@iwill29703]

I grew up watching the black/white and x/y anime and it rly hurt me to see the new animation and gimick for alola that I quit with pokemon for years

[@Prince_Partybug]

Because they were GOATED but people were mad bc "N-n-no n-new m-mega is b-b-bad!"

[@inktirrell5016]

Dog You Have To Admit Pokemon Getting Super Saiyan Power Ups Is Far More Legit Than A One Use Special Attack. (I Still Like Z-Moves But Mega Evolution Is Cooler And Fits In Pokemons Lore Far Better Even In The Anime)

[@sworddash2365]

​@inktirrell5016 I dunno about the fitting in lore part. They're both basically the same thing lore wise. Special stone lets you use special power. Not very different

[@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452]

@@inktirrell5016 In my opinion Z-Moves were handled better than Mega Evolutions, not only they were for ALL Pokémon, so you're not forced to use a Pokémon you don't want to in your team just because it has a Mega. I also think the Mega Evolution fans are SO annoying... But has nothing to do with the gimmick, just the Pokémon fandom... I still remember when people hated on Mega Evolution because "Pokémon is copying Digimon"...

[@inktirrell5016]

@@sworddash2365 Trust Me Dude Watch A Pokemon Ultimate Timeline Video And You'll See What I Mean.

[@inktirrell5016]

@@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452 Competitive Gameplay Wise Z-Moves Are Better I'll Admit That And Ya I Actually Do Agree The Pokemon Fan Base Is Annoying Most Times. (Like Dude I Still See People In The Fan Base Slandering Infernape On A Daily Basis-_-)

[@abdulhadiazman3390]

How many lads I'm I gonna piss off by saying, mega evolution is overrated. Dynamax and terrastilaization were honestly just better

[@Pokiiii62]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, friend, no worries

[@EpeoekelKeos]

Terra is bad it not even that cool it looks bad

[@abdulhadiazman3390]

@@EpeoekelKeos I mean competitively. It is probably the best gimmick for strategy. But yeah it does look weird. The big crystal thing is rather stupid

[@angelcordones6206]

​@@abdulhadiazman3390In Ogerpon the concept works very good, but i think that a crowns more little and levitate above the Pokémon could be a best idea.

[@alolaamii]

I know that Pokemon was attempting to make a gimmick that was for EVERY Pokemon...and they succeeded! (Kind of). Of course they developed some Z-Moves that were specific for certain Pokemon, but- For the most part, I feel that Z-Moves were better than Megas, because every Pokemon in existence could utilize them. (I know I'm in the minority thinking that way, but I actually very much loved Z-Moves due to this).

[@HighJack789]

Rib is now on the mend, and my favourite creator has posted life is good rn

[@Pokiiii62]

AWWWWWWW I HOPE YOU DO AMAZING FRIEND!!

[@vanessasandoval96]

Hey I love Z Moves in Sun and Moon so I think I love Z Moves better then Megas and GMAX

[@GughanMohanAnnamalaiPunggolss]

I love Z-Moves

[@Pokiiii62]

Valid

[@JOHNNYTV115]

I liked zmoves in the anime. You can't say you didn't get excited after seeing that 10m thunderbolt for the first time

[@duskyfordays7657]

Z moves really dont deserve the hate (besides twinkle tackle or eevee's one those are understandable) Ill admit im kind of biased sense Ash and Pikachu won the whole Alola league

[@Pokiiii62]

All fair

[@capnjacksparroww]

me personally, i prefer mega evolution the most

[@casteddu6740]

Lore wise speaking I prefer Z-moves over mega evolution. Their origin is better explained with Z-crystals being pieces of Ultra Necrozma's body etc, but from a game wise perspective Z-moves feel pretty dull for the reasons you explained in the video: the trainer doing a silly dance, the Z-move being a final kamehameha that removes most of the stakes from the match etc. I don't hate it as a gimmick but it does need some little rework on how it works both in gameplay (I'd just skip the silly dance animation or make a default one that works for all) and in the way they are used too (instead of using it as a last resort, just nuke a problematic opponent mid battle or use it to boost your Pokémon at the start, then leaving the rest of the match to be dealt in the old fashioned way)

[@urlocal_malaysian_idiot]

THEY WERE HATED?

[@Pokiiii62]

Yuh

[@urlocal_malaysian_idiot]

@@Pokiiii62 never knew that

[@nahte123456]

While I agree with all of this, another factor I think is that Competitive players, at least from what I've seen, didn't really like them. And while Competitive isn't a huge part of Pokemon, I do think it compounds. If you're told they are unfun and take too long, even if you didn't think that at first, you might start to agree.

[@jediclonekag13]

Mega Evolution is still my #1 favorite of all the battle gimmicks we have gotten. Z-Moves are okay yet weird, Dynamax/Gigantamax is pretty cool, and I am mixed about the Terastal Phenomenon.

[@jangeliqpapasin3046]

Man they were so good but those animations tho-💀🙏

[@typhir5911]

Mega evolutions were just the first time pokemon ever tried making a generational mechanic. I think z moves were fine overall, but the poses took just a bit too long and were somewhat silly. Both were way better than dynamax. I'm still a bit mixed on terastalization in the current generation, but switching your pokemon's type is somewhat fun to play around with. I wouldn't mind a future game that gave you the option to use a single z move, mega evolution, dynamax or terastalization as a player choice on what to do in combat, although maybe not dynamax, since I'm not a fan of that particular mechanic, but there are people who like it too. Opening up new options and playstyles is never a bad thing.

[@marinagaleotti]

Z moves aren't better than dynamax in anyway💀 The animations are often cheap, the damage output is disgustingly high and they arent even balanced. Yokai watch did it way better in 2013.

[@FaaizLawal]

But I LOVE Z moves!

[@Chillin-jg8vg]

Didn't know z moves were hated.

[@Pokiiii62]

It was more mixed, but yeah, ppl didn't appreciate as much as they do now

[@thatoneaxolotlguy9969]

Dawg it's luap the goat, let's gooooooo

[@Pokiiii62]

YESSIR!

[@jayvids9282]

How are they hated I loved z moves!

[@barrysmith4610]

Z moves were cool. What I hate (some designs aside) are Dyna/Gigantamaxing

[@EaglesFan-xf1tq]

Yo poke what’s ur opinion on sun and moon anime?

[@EaglesFan-xf1tq]

Also can u make a video where u rank every Pokemon movie?

[@Pokiiii62]

I've had this idea for ages!

[@Pokiiii62]

I might make a video on this

[@Forbranna]

Z moves are also the least liked gimmick in vgc because players didn't like the guessing game of which of your opponents had the z move and whether or not one of your pokemon was about to get nuked. Further more if you used your z-move into a protect, resist, or even worse an immunity, your z-move is just completely wasted. I don't hate z-moves. I really enjoy the lore surrounding them, but they are definitely the worst generational gimmick.

[@Pokiiii62]

Frrr it SUCKED in VGC, at least with megas you knew man 😭

[@andrewharris1344]

I think z moves are cool. I view all generational gimmicks pretty evenly as I feel they help give their region its own identity which is more interesting to me then wether the masses think it’s popular. I also prefer gimmicks that all Pokémon can use. It makes the whole using your favorites make more sense then how megas were handled imo, because let’s be honest even if megas continued to gen 9 there’s no way every line would get a mega sense new fan favorite Pokémon are created every new generation. Plus I prefer more permanent evolutions I would hate Annihilape being a temporary form.

[@randomedgygamer2191]

They should have been implemented in a game with amazing graphics because they looked awkward in the 3ds

[@Pokiiii62]

SUN AND MOON SHOULDVE CAME OUT ON THE SWITCH BRO IT WOULDVE BEEN PEAK 😭

[@ChampMikeP25]

Pokeee and luap?!

[@Pokiiii62]

Yessir

[@ChampMikeP25]

​@Pokiiii62 great video again

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

becuase people are unoriginal z moves are the best

[@hunorpapp8758]

Unpopular opinion, but I like Z-Moves more than Megas. My favourite part of XYZ anime was when Ash and AshGreninja would move in sync 'cause of Battle Bond, and Z moves gives this experience to us. Connecting trainer and pokemon with the dance, so they can use a more powerful move than usual

[@marinagaleotti]

As a yokai watch fan I see Z moves as a knockoff of the soultimate moves from Yokai Watch, but with worse animations and less balanced.

[@solarium-z8230]

@@marinagaleotti Inazuma Eleven:

[@marinagaleotti]

@@solarium-z8230 what do you mean? I dont play Inazuma.

[@josecuestas7246]

In technical terms, i guess that the main issue with the Z Moves, is that you can equips the regular stones to any pokemon of the same type, allowing to all the pokemon access to the same Z Moves, taking away the exclusivity like the case of the Megastones, in that they only works for a specific pokemon, leaving the Z moves as a too generic and bad developed mechanic. And even if a few of Z Moves are exclusives, most of them can be used for every Pokemon, making that the Z Moves won't be any special like the Megaevolutions.

[@Espurrd]

Oop! I'm late, anyway, I don't know how I feel about them, they are just kinda extra power moves

[@Pokiiii62]

Yeah, very true espurr

[@goofyahcarl]

People hate Z-moves bc they’re weren’t enough 💤💤💤 oh yeah and also not enough good animation for most for the Z-moves

[@TophatMudkip1174]

I believe. Shorter summary people hated it because it removed the mega evolution gimmick

[@TophatMudkip1174]

But honestly I can see the animation budget was a factor

[@TophatMudkip1174]

Sometimes that's bad

[@SMM5]

even though megas were literally in the Alola games post-game…

[@DreiPinguine]

Personally i always hated Z-moves simply because i lost the mega-evolutions. I could have an amazing ace uo my sleeve, a great pokemon with a new, stronger and cooler form but what do i get? Weird animations that felt below my age range (like seriously all these moves looked so silly, they didn't even look cool except maybe Lycanrock, Necrozma and Mimikyu)

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

I hate them because everything ABOUT Sun and Moon feels like a shallow attempt at being a Yo-Kai Watch game after Pokemon ORAS got outsold by YKW2 in Japan. It comes off like they just glanced at the various iconic Yo-Kai Watch dances kids were doing plus the unique specialized Soultimate moves and haphazardly thrust them into Pokemon woth very little thought or good game design. Soultimate moves can be used multiple times in a battle but have several turns of cooldown to balance them out. The competitive metagame of Yo-Kai Watch 2 and 3 made it a point that Soultimate meters start off empty so you have to build a team that can work even without them. Z-Moves can be used once per battle but have no cooldown and have way more immediate reward effects with almost no risk woth high powered attacks or ridiculous buffs.

[@Espurr.8]

When it comes to gimmick like z move and mega evolution there just ok

[@notdamien2133]

I am an Alola lover so I love z moves but mega evo’s are better

[@futureDreamer4]

I enjoyed z moves but megas will always be better.

[@ChippyZorua]

Z-moves are just 1 use Tera blast in my head

[@eliaskyriakou6253]

Z moves are easily the worst of the 4 gimmicks and that says a lot because one of the gimmicks is just Pokémon growing gigantic and another is Pokemon wearing hats

[@marinagaleotti]

And the other one is just pokemon getting more spikes and fur

[@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452]

@@marinagaleotti Thank you...

[@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452]

I really love Z-Moves, also Megas are stupid for being specific for only a few Pokémon, it pretty much forces you to use specific Pokémon in a battle.

[@Pokiiii62]

Not forces since you can still beat the trainers without using mega evolution, plus they gave lots of the iconic pokemon that people like megas too.

[@sergioricardosantosdoamara5452]

@@Pokiiii62 Yes... Ignoring all the Kalos Pokémon, MAN how i hated that! But anyway, it'll be much harder for you to beat the strongest Megas with non-Mega Pokémon

[@UltiMezza]

the one thing i would do to make z-moves better is remove the regular type-based ones and only keep the pokemon-specific moves.

[@Pokiiii62]

THATS A PEAK IDEA ACTUALLY

[@PhantomAkiraP5]

@@Pokiiii62 That's a terrible idea because they would be far worse than megas if that were the case. Mega Evolution being restricted to certain pokemon lets you know what you should be scared of inna battle, so the only way to catch people off-guard with it is to bring multiple pokemon with a mega form with you to a battle. But the difference between mega evolutions and Z-moves is that even though both can only be triggered once per battle, Z-moves only work on the turn you use them while the effects of mega evolutions linger until the user dies. With the pokemon-specific Z-moves, all of them mirror one of the types of the pokemon they're unique to, so you can just switch into a pokemon that resists the move if you think the opponent is gonna fire it off. Given the fact that 8/17 of the exclusive Z-moves have a type that they cannot damage, the user of the Z-move will be less inclined to even pull the trigger, and since users of Z-moves can't hold items, your Z-move holder becomes a liability to the team. Even if you choose not to pull the trigger and click a different button, you still might have let your opponent send in a fodder pokemon that's strong against your Z-move holder for free, and if they were willing to sacrifice it to protect a different pokemon, they probably didn't need it for much else anyway. You would essentially be locked out of the move until the opponent's Z-move blocker is out of the game, and this is all under the assumption that the opponent only has **one** Z-move resist with them. Imagine your Z-move holder is a Decidueye and you're staring down a mono fighting team. Now you're playing against the opponent's full team of 6 with 5 and a half pokemon. Z-moves would be treated as a joke by competitive players and almost never see use. Strong on paper, but extremely easy to play around.

[@ollaruth5898]

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[@inktirrell5016]

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[@Pokiiii62]

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[@inktirrell5016]

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[@FudgewastakenReal]

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[@inktirrell5016]

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