Everything historically wrong with Anastasia the musical: part 2

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@Ronniemoment
@Ronniemoment 5 ай бұрын
i love how the musical acts like the tsar would’ve been totally cool with dimitri’s anarchist dad
@sophia-fuckthehandlesystem
@sophia-fuckthehandlesystem 5 ай бұрын
the creators of the musical would definitely not have been okay with it either. lowkey embarrassed that i liked that detail the first time i saw the bootleg.
@crumbsintopebbles
@crumbsintopebbles 5 ай бұрын
Conclusion: this musical is the most American take ever on Russian politics.
@CayleeR
@CayleeR 5 ай бұрын
A Russian girl talking about Soviet history while petting her pet cat like a Bond villain is a mood.
@RoyalKnightVIII
@RoyalKnightVIII 5 ай бұрын
KOMMISAR Lady "For you see Mr Bond we have already eliminated illiteracy in our lands!" Bond "NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
@alexeyvlasenko6622
@alexeyvlasenko6622 5 ай бұрын
Even among the Whites, there were very few actual monarchists: they were anti-Bolsheviks and counterrevolutionaries of all sorts, but only a handful actually wanted the Romanovs back in power. The monarchy was really, really unpopular in Russia after the debacles of WW1. So, this musical's portrayal of Russians from all layers of society being nostalgic for the monarchy is beyond ridiculous. Not even the people fighting against the Bolsheviks wanted to go back to those times. Of all the Whites, the only monarchist I can think of by name is von Ungern, and he was fighting in Mongolia, not in Russia.
@yogitakapoor4901
@yogitakapoor4901 3 ай бұрын
True they wanted to save the tsar and his family but didn’t have the ability and neither do I think the desire to put him back in power
@havenm6181
@havenm6181 5 ай бұрын
One thing I really don't like here is the characterization of Anastasia. Historical inaccuracies aside, and I know she's traumatized, but this Anastasia is just so timid, to the point where it feels like she doesn't have much agency. In the movie I always loved how feisty Anastasia was, how she'd stand up for herself, and how she wouldn't let people patronize her. It doesn't feel like the same vibe I'm getting from the play.
@DilutedH2SO4
@DilutedH2SO4 5 ай бұрын
I loved it when Anastasia said "It's Romanov time" and Romanov'd all over the Kneeva club
@ceres090
@ceres090 5 ай бұрын
The Anya fight scene is a reference to the animated movie, where Anya reflexively breaks Dimitri's nose in self defense. There's no reason for it to be here, since this Anya is far more like a classic Disney princess than a girl who would have lived on the street but whatever.
@jimmypickles1123
@jimmypickles1123 5 ай бұрын
As a westerner, I learned about the 'tragedy' of the Romanovs well before I learned anything about the revolution, or socialism, or Marx. It's kind of telling that so much media about the USSR is shown to us from the perspective of some royal family member, or aristocrat, or wealthy businessman, or politician.
@usagibun7639
@usagibun7639 5 ай бұрын
same!
@becuaseimbored3481
@becuaseimbored3481 5 ай бұрын
Why is tragedy in quotes? A family still got murdered and even if Anastasia was older than in the movie she still was still 17 when they killed her.
@jimmypickles1123
@jimmypickles1123 5 ай бұрын
@tekinfomedi ^ what he said
@mckenziepearmain
@mckenziepearmain 5 ай бұрын
great addition to your previous commentary on russian life in the USSR and under tsar rule! it’s really helpful for those of us trying to peel back the western propaganda of so many cultures that have been demonized by it. thank you!
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@Andrey_Gysev
@Andrey_Gysev 5 ай бұрын
> No caviar. Its really funny that in capitalist Russia i never ate caviar. But my mother, grandmother and grand-grandmother ate caviar nearly every week or two in USSR, even despite they were living in a village, lol.
@crumbsintopebbles
@crumbsintopebbles 5 ай бұрын
OMG!!! There *was* caviar in Soviet Russia!!! 💀 " We can't even eat caviar anymore! :((( " " There is some right over there, comrade, don't worry! "
@ashyroy9454
@ashyroy9454 5 ай бұрын
Lol, are you for real? It costs like 500 rubles to buy a jar of caviar. Literally everyone can eat caviar now. What nonsense are you babbling about?
@Andrey_Gysev
@Andrey_Gysev 5 ай бұрын
​@@ashyroy9454 I'm not talking about regular "caviar" but about pike's caviar or black caviar. They were pretty common for my parents and grandparents, but now 50g costs 1000 rubles at least. Of course "royals" werent talking about, idk, eggplant "caviar" or regular fish's caviar. And even regular caviar costs 500 rubles for a jar, yes. But thats a jar of 100g max. Its not even a jar, its more of a vial or a petri dish, than a jar, lol.
@Andrey_Gysev
@Andrey_Gysev 5 ай бұрын
Upd. I've checked the prices - even regular red caviar costs 3500 rubles for a... small 500g jar. Who will pay 3500 rubles, 30% of minimum wage for a 500g of caviar? I dont think people will even pay 500 rubles for 50-100g of it. Its just not worth it at all, its still very expensive for what you get, lol.
@chaeburger
@chaeburger 5 ай бұрын
In regards to the diamonds, the Romanovs sewed their jewelry into their underwear because up until their execution, they were sure they were going to be exiled. And they were planning on selling their diamonds once in exile to pay for living expenses and whatever else rich people spend money on
@DanialTarki
@DanialTarki 5 ай бұрын
“I know this is going to shock people, but Rasputin was not an extremely biologically resilient sorcerer that commanded insects.” -Mythology Guy, probably
@ophelie2620
@ophelie2620 5 ай бұрын
In the end Anastasia reaches true happiness through the means of communism. Thank them for making a romance between a princess and commoner possible. Edit: It’s so funny it took like two minutes of grandma being rude to her servant to throw hardcore monarchism they spent 2 hours yapping about out of the window. Even the characters know it’s stupid. Oh well that’s the amount of meaning you can get from an American fairytale about an actual dead 17 year old.
@DaysOfMourning
@DaysOfMourning 5 ай бұрын
love the series! A note: most people going to see these musicals are spending lots of dosh, the upper crust if you will. the people who made this deff knew what they were doing.
@anastasiagirl1342
@anastasiagirl1342 5 ай бұрын
I think people get sucked into the glamour, the wealth and the fact that the Romanov children left literally thousands of photographs. Anastasia even possibly created the first selfie. They really do come to life with their images and childhood fun. It’s easy to forget what imperial Russia was like and the fact that slavery was very much a thing until 1861 (and it still existed in different forms afterwards). I see it a lot on facebook groups where people talk about their murder and wonder why. It’s clear why, while it was brutal and definitely upsetting to think about. It’s clear why it happened and the dream of Anastasia (or any other Romanov child) surviving is a much more appealing end to the story. There’s tragedy here, but there is also a lot to say about social politics and the impact of people’s decisions.
@hagbardceline7118
@hagbardceline7118 5 ай бұрын
I was literally about to go to sleep. Gonna make a smoothie and be awake a bit longer now
@parkrangerdave
@parkrangerdave 5 ай бұрын
I'm literally doing a callback audition for this show tonight, I am compiling your criticisms to see how much I can shmooze the Director into changing. I do love the music in this show
@kandyappleview
@kandyappleview 5 ай бұрын
I just did a community theater production of it last weekend. It was a blast. Hope you got in!
@kaiserruhsam
@kaiserruhsam 5 ай бұрын
that pizza place was busier than a normal weekday because of the promotion but we're still looking at over 30/hour on a slower day, even more if the restaurant doesn't have to pay rent.
@gammarays3683
@gammarays3683 5 ай бұрын
Let me tell you I'm EXCITED. To see this musical directed to shreds. It's my favourite but i love your videos from this series :)
@silverbemyname
@silverbemyname 5 ай бұрын
I love your videos! As a fellow American socialist, I always feel extremely isolated and like people all around me think I'm crazy for being a socialist. So your videos make me feel seen and heard. Thank you!
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@megfey3909
@megfey3909 5 ай бұрын
It would be kind of cool if they made it historically accurate, and Anastasia somehow escaped from Yekaterinburg - like a true alternate history.
@lisaleyendekker8305
@lisaleyendekker8305 5 ай бұрын
Note about the Tarring and feathering legion (hi, history teacher here): they were vigilantes, not a government sanctioned branch.
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
This makes sense, a tarring and feathering legion within the government would be pretty wild!
@Arushi701
@Arushi701 5 ай бұрын
Just a correction: Maria Feodorovna stayed in the Crimea after the revolution, but that was under the White Army's control. Once the Reds did advance towards Crimea in 1919, she fled to Britain. So the Bolsheviks didn't have a chance to kill her. But considering that they killed even estranged relatives of the Romanov like Elisabeth of Hesse who had actually retired to be a nun, killing a surviving Anastasia would not be out of the realm of possibility.
@ImSorryimrandom
@ImSorryimrandom 5 ай бұрын
I have been waiting for this video sooo YAY! Love your content it is soooo fun to learn about all this history!!!!
@TheGreatUnwashedThing
@TheGreatUnwashedThing 5 ай бұрын
The play sort of feels like a lot of pre-MCU superhero movies in that it is actively embarassed by certain crucial parts of its source material, in this case zombie-Rasputin, which results in a product which is blander and where you can't ignore the implications of what it is saying as easily.
@francescocarlini7613
@francescocarlini7613 5 ай бұрын
Fake revolutionary: "Love is not what revolution's for" Actual revolutionaries: abolished Tzarist anti-LGBT laws
@crumbsintopebbles
@crumbsintopebbles 5 ай бұрын
Actual revolutionaries: You need love to be a revolutionary.
@pastelpurpledeathbed
@pastelpurpledeathbed 5 ай бұрын
werent the soviets anti lgbt lmao
@francescocarlini7613
@francescocarlini7613 5 ай бұрын
@@pastelpurpledeathbed You mean the Stalinists, they were homophobes.
@timelordvictorious
@timelordvictorious 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think Stalin was exactly nice to LGBT people
@teodorasavoiu4664
@teodorasavoiu4664 2 ай бұрын
​@@timelordvictorioustrue, but we're talking about the first years of the revolution, while Stalin's roll back on these radically progressive laws was in the 30s. And it was bad, ofc. But there was no other place in Europe to decriminalise same sex relationships so early after ww1. Germany came close bc there was a solid movement organising around that I think, but things went south rapidly. Also, there's nothing inherently anti-lgbtq in socialist theory and politics, quite the contrary! Unlike other ideologies where strict gender roles are enforced and reproductive rights are restricted because of ideological reasoning like "more white babies" or religious justifications. Many LGBTQ activists have actually been socialists, you'd be surprised.
@victoriaweasley1115
@victoriaweasley1115 5 ай бұрын
I agree that this musical is very American and not historically accurate. However, I think the takeaway could be a little more nuanced. From your description, it sounds like the musical is trying to set up that the USSR was repressive (even if that's not accurate), and the monarchy is oppressive (in the most immature way possible, not in a serious historical way which would have made them obvious villains), so neither is where Anastasia belongs, and the play is about Anastasia finding her place. This is exemplified by Glieb not being a more unhinged villain and just an antagonist. I think we're supposed to like him and dislike the grandma, so we aren't sure what Anya should do. The play might come off as pro-monarchy bc the source material was, and it's essentially trying to be a historical fairy tale, exacerbated by the aforementioned misunderstanding of history. But I think they are trying to make the monarchy lifestyle seem vapid and backstabby, from the clips you showed and examples you gave. This video is really informative and entertaining, and I agree the play could do with more historical accuracy-- really, Anastasia's life shouldn't be made into a "fairy tale" to begin with-- but I do think the writers were trying to be more nuanced from a story perspective.
@shelbybiggs4242
@shelbybiggs4242 5 ай бұрын
Musical may be trash but god i could listen to Ramin Karimloo sing the phone book
@braelynramirez2690
@braelynramirez2690 5 ай бұрын
FR I LOVE Ramin Karimloo in the musical, hes just that good
@forestwhale5711
@forestwhale5711 5 ай бұрын
As American who is 1/4 Russian though my dad (Russian family came here 1900’s so Grandma who spoke Russian born in Usa 1915 older brother born in Russia 1901 came to America at 3 ) thanks for the review and information. Enjoyed both videos and saw both movie in 1997 and musical in Philadelphia in 2021 (Ana was played by a person of color). I loved the facts and loved the music. When movie came out I did a report of Russia for 6th grade and did more in depth next even more cause they found the other bodies in 1998 and more years. I grew up Orthodox Christian but l learned more about that and Russia from my mom who family had been in usa since before the American revolution but she was a history nut (even though majored in geology) Anyway loved the history and yay you mentioned Jimmy the dog. I wish people talk more on the extended family as well one my favorite was Mary and Elizabeth who became nurses after things happen. Others fled to Canada. My family got letters from Russia and Ukraine till the 1960’s and in 1980’s and 1990’s family visited those areas
@schmore1840
@schmore1840 4 ай бұрын
This musical will always have a special place in my heart, as it is what lead me down the path of socialism. (My pfp is actually a backdrop used in the musical lol) I remember instantly clinging onto Gleb after I saw it for the first time live. Soon enough I was like “wait a damn minute, he’s kind of right” and then I actually got into socialist literature and socialist history.
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 4 ай бұрын
Haha that's cool, I love that for you!!
@superbeltman6197
@superbeltman6197 5 ай бұрын
These clips look so funny the way you sped them up
@crumbsintopebbles
@crumbsintopebbles 5 ай бұрын
I think the diamonds were maybe to sell if needed or smth.
@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gm
@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gm 3 ай бұрын
I feel like it possibly could’ve made sense for them to specifically follow Anastasia. Considering as the only living child of the tsar she has a direct claim and poses the most serious threat. Not by her own actions but because royalists could form a counter revolution around her to try to reinstate romanovs with her as empress with or without her consent. Short version: If they DID follow any of the royal class. It would’ve been Anastasia. Except it’s more like “Nothing personal”
@bertbaker7067
@bertbaker7067 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video, thanks for sharing Solidarity ✊
@laralewis2322
@laralewis2322 5 ай бұрын
Okay but the big question: are you going to do this for the 1956 Ingrid Bergman/Yul Brynner Anastasia movie all this is based on?
@lanaalba8392
@lanaalba8392 5 ай бұрын
Yay! New video, love it, love it, love it! Also, all the references that you put in the corner the frame - so neat! Great production value! I found your channel when I was thinking to myself: "we need more girls in ML!" I mean, all the gym going male comrades are good and all, but boy, do I sometimes feel drowning in testosterone 😅 and a fellow Russian, what a treat! I just wanted to say thank you for your content, it is so very much appreciated.
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!!! 🥰
@MCDreng
@MCDreng Ай бұрын
As regards the "ball during which the Bolsheviks seize power" imo that's a matter of artistic license. In a better story having the Bolsheviks seize power while the royals are dancing could be used to comment on the excesses of monarchist governments, specifically the Russian empire.
@Marco-xz9sc
@Marco-xz9sc 5 ай бұрын
Okay… but the musicals makes me want to belt my face off. Inaccuracies or not, is that a crime ( this is all humor )
@jesseh.5223
@jesseh.5223 5 ай бұрын
Your cat looks so so sweet and soft and sleepy! I love this creature in the background ❤
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
She's the softest sweetest cuddliest baby, I love her so much 🥰
@dolowokureolowokure2842
@dolowokureolowokure2842 2 ай бұрын
​@@revolutionaryth0t She really is ❤ What breed is she?
@PaddleboardingFL
@PaddleboardingFL 5 ай бұрын
ngl the song the aristocrats sing felt soooo much like the H!tler youth "tomorrow belongs to me" song from cabaret that I almost lost my mind when it happened..
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Omg wait you're so right 🤯 it's basically the same vibe
@distressedcondiments3113
@distressedcondiments3113 5 ай бұрын
I like listening to musical theatre songs out of context and Land Of Yesterday (the song that they sing at the Neva Club) always comes off as an upbeat villain song to me. Idk, probably because it’s sung by willfully ignorant aristocrats?
@ironic_normalcy5409
@ironic_normalcy5409 5 ай бұрын
I saw an interview with one of the actors who played Gleb (not Karimloo, but another guy) and he was like "it's so weird being a Jewish man and playing a character who supports the USSR which will eventually ally with the Yahtzees". My dude...please review your history and learn who liberated Auschwitz-Birkenau. The fact that Americans conflate the USSR with the Yahtzees--including Jewish Americans--shows how much we've been brainwashed by western propaganda.
@leonierademacher5825
@leonierademacher5825 5 ай бұрын
1. then why did he take the role it’s not like anyone forced him to 2. R-M pact wasn’t alliance(what many don’t get 3. Have they heard babin Yar(or any other massacre on former Soviet soil) 4. N.G literally wanted to commit genocide there
@hagbardceline7118
@hagbardceline7118 5 ай бұрын
Name those oils! I'm vegan and could absolutely crush eastern orthodox lent.
@KawaiiStars
@KawaiiStars 5 ай бұрын
Olive oil was one
@FreeTheDonbas
@FreeTheDonbas 2 ай бұрын
Please reconsider being vegan
@sciencefictionisreal1608
@sciencefictionisreal1608 5 ай бұрын
35:00 Also highly recommend the Kristin Ghodsee podcast! So cool hearing a shoutout for it
@FritzMonorail
@FritzMonorail 5 ай бұрын
I kind of expected this musical to be inaccurate so I didn't t really go into it with those expectations. What I did expect was to be entertained, and for the most part that did not happen. The two biggest problems with the Anastasia musical is that its incredibly boring, and Ramin Karimloo is barely in it. The movie may have been an absolute historical mess but at least wacky evil wizard Rasputin was entertaining. This musical is My Fair Lady with more steps and more simping for monarchies, and even though I thought the costumes where beautiful and the actors where talented that couldn't save it. This whole show feels so small. It feels like there's barely anyone on the stage most of the time. Compared to the movie that at times felt too crowded it really stands out. I would say more but I'm honestly struggling to remember more of it, it was that boring. Sorry about the rant, I've been holding this in since I saw it two years ago.
@xibalbalon8668
@xibalbalon8668 5 ай бұрын
"The Russian version of Shen Yun" lol
@Aux.Pecker
@Aux.Pecker 5 ай бұрын
Bad musicals take so much confidence to sing through with ur full chest
@pokepreet1
@pokepreet1 5 ай бұрын
You finished it ahhhh
@ironic_normalcy5409
@ironic_normalcy5409 5 ай бұрын
Video suggestion: could you make an objective video essay on Fidel Castro? I was always under the assumption that he was this brutal dictator (my aunt’s family left Cuba in 1959 so I was a bit biased), but looking more into him I’d like to learn more about him from a non-western perspective. Similar to the Romanovs, I feel like we’ve been conditioned to feel bad for the rich and wealthy (sorry tía María, I still love you even though I’ve been redpilled in the good way 😉)
@avFightForRoses
@avFightForRoses 5 ай бұрын
Wasn't Sophie based on Sophie Buxhoeveden? Minor detail, but weird the musical would change that lol
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 5 ай бұрын
44:30 and its not even an proper period gun, looks like a beretta pistol 44:36 oh nevermind its an Walther P38, but it still wrong, this pistol was introduced on 1938 on Nazi Germany !!!
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
That's so funny, they couldn't even get the gun right 😭 another historical inaccuracy to add to the list, I suppose haha
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 5 ай бұрын
@@revolutionaryth0t im sure it was on purpose as you said they really tried to make the soviet look like nazis
@forestwhale5711
@forestwhale5711 5 ай бұрын
Also yeah my family would not fleed Russia in 1900’s if Tasr/king Russia was so good for serfs/farmers. One thing I loved learning from teachers who taught in Ussr who came to America in the late 1990’s who where my friends. Governments come and go but the people know and the keep the history and culture. Yeah I wish the west would learn more about asian cultures which Russia is part of . To well my great grandfather hated how his brother was treated in Japanese-Russian war. Also grew up family and friends bringing treats from Eastern Europe and Russia and sad movies and tv don’t show more the food either. I love cabbage dishes to meat dough things but my food will be different as well (learned from different American Russian Orthodox Churches in California and Pennsylvania) .
@faramirbutnothatone
@faramirbutnothatone 5 ай бұрын
You should watch From Russia with Love (or any early bond film). It'll give you a fucking aneurysm.
@boccibee
@boccibee 5 ай бұрын
this is so fun and informative, we need more!!
@kawadashogo8258
@kawadashogo8258 5 ай бұрын
I hope next you'll do a review of the 1956 Anastasia movie starring Yul Brynner and Ingrid Bergman. :) I only ever watched it once, and I was suffering from a severe toothache at the time so that somewhat colored my experience of it (I was watching movies on TV specifically to try and distract myself from my tooth pain, and largely failing to do so because nothing on Earth is capable of distracting someone from a toothache, toothaches subsume all other things), but I found it a somewhat mediocre movie (that could just be the toothache talking though), although a lot less politically charged than this musical version and therefore I was able to appreciate it at least somewhat as it didn't beat me over the head with anti-communist propaganda. Or at least that's how I recall the experience. It's been probably a decade or so since I saw it. It was an ok movie, in my opinion. I absolutely hated the animated 1990s "Anastasia", but the 1956 version I was a lot more neutral on. Maybe I would have enjoyed it a little more if not for the toothache. I do recall at one point Brynner's character kind of went off on "Anastasia" about all this aristocratic nostalgia for an old world that was dead and good riddance to it. So that was cool. Brynner was, himself, Russian in real life, born in Soviet Vladivostok.
@starryskies9655
@starryskies9655 5 ай бұрын
I gasped as this came up on my dash
@ashleyp8235
@ashleyp8235 5 ай бұрын
as a coda to this saga i’d like to recommend a shameless ripoff of the don bluth movie called the secret of anastasia! it’s absolutely bonkers and i was obsessed with it as a wee child.
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Wait that's so funny, I guess I somehow unconsciously assumed that only people who were alive in the 90s watched Anastasia so I recommended a definitely not for children film, but Anastasia is in fact a children's film so it's not actually a recommendation that makes much sense 😂 A better recommendation that's for actually children is Тайна третьей планеты/the mystery of the third planet and Бременские музыканты/Bremen town musicians. Both are animated, the latter is a musical, and they're both way better than like 99% of children's media and still hold up decades later.
@glitched-eyes7378
@glitched-eyes7378 5 ай бұрын
Loved this video, I feel like I learned a lot tbh. Also I love the furby shirt
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@kawadashogo8258
@kawadashogo8258 5 ай бұрын
On the bit about the Bolsheviks supposedly wanting to chase Anastasia and follow her outside of the country and bring her back "dead or alive", etc, you already explained why that's silly, but I just wanted to add an additional thought. Russian emigres outside of the USSR were generally left alone, and were never pursued simply for being emigres. The vast majority of them, the communists didn't care about. The only ones they did care about were those who were engaging in behavior abroad that directly threatened the USSR. So Trotsky for example, he was assassinated in Mexico City because he was directly involved in organizing anti-Soviet forces engaging in counterrevolutionary activity inside and outside the USSR. Kerensky on the other hand, who was a counterrevolutionary, lived to a ripe old age and died in 1970 in the US, and the Bolsheviks never bothered with him despite him periodically doing things like giving newspaper interviews bitching about Lenin and Stalin. Other emigres from the USSR who were targeted include scum like Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian Nazi (who is idolized by the present-day fascist Ukrainian regime), who was assassinated by a Soviet agent in Germany, as punishment for his crimes against the Soviet people. But most emigres, the ones who didn't engage in anti-Soviet political activity or anti-Soviet crimes, were left alone for the most part. And some were not only not targeted, but were actively recruited with some success by Soviet intelligence to spy on dangerous elements of the emigre communities. There were even some aristocrats, former White Army people, who became spies for the Soviet Union in places like France. So the Soviets not only didn't systematically target emigres (including aristocrats), but actually tried to reform some of them and get them to help the Soviet Union.
@rivera229
@rivera229 5 ай бұрын
I have to ask, where did you hear that Trotsky was organizing an overthrow of the USSR?
@WolfieLol
@WolfieLol 4 ай бұрын
Wanna see the real deal? Check out the 2020 version and let's see if you can handle such thing. Both the 97' pick and the musical are registered history books compared XDDDD
@Sikuto
@Sikuto 16 күн бұрын
definitely Not biased as someone who has played lily, Lily is my goat
@physicsnerd4279
@physicsnerd4279 5 ай бұрын
Another great video!
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@claudiaborges8406
@claudiaborges8406 3 ай бұрын
3:15 forgot to mention how anarchists were allies until the revolution and how the government worked after the revolution with the bureaucrats they were previously fighting against. How unusual… leaning further away from popular demand the longer you are in power… that and having to rely on specialists from the previous government system to be able to use the tools of the state 4:55 or y’know… without a state? If it was predictable that suppression of the population unsatisfied with the government’s failure to deliver on their socialistic promises was necessary… then why’d they do it? Whose revolution was it if the workers were left to eat mud and were bombarded when they complained? I wonder what they argued were the egregious thing done by the anarchists…
@ptimurk4414
@ptimurk4414 5 ай бұрын
i loved your video, its insightful and fun, but i also really loved ur cat. shes so cute
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!! She's my sweet baby 🥰
@superbeltman6197
@superbeltman6197 5 ай бұрын
18:26 A.L. Strong is my girl 💪
@Viktor19852
@Viktor19852 5 ай бұрын
hello i'm from brazil and your video just pop up in my recomendation
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 5 ай бұрын
26:14 reminds how some of my ancestors used to be very violent police officers here on the north of brazil
@Soudrah
@Soudrah 3 ай бұрын
Just bunged 3 Anastasia videos and your most recent spirited away you are my new bingable comrade! I love your clear and well spoken way of explaining communist logic and diamat!
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 3 ай бұрын
Yay thank you! 🫶
@celia1888
@celia1888 4 ай бұрын
I prefer the movie version because the magic thingie actually makes it so that they don't focus on trying to excuse royal politics. Like it's still pro monarchy but it's not something that could be used as anti communist propaganda (unless we go into extremist weirdos territorry who actually believe demons and magic exist). Like literally the only reason why I could believe Gleb was the antagonist had nothing to do with the bolchevik thing so much as his weird fixation on Anya even before he learned she was pretending to be Anastasia. That was pretty creepy. Honestly the musical made me pause from discomfort so much more than the movie (I still love the music obviously it's the best part of both movies).
@OpticalSorcerer
@OpticalSorcerer 5 ай бұрын
I was so bummed out that the musical went the historical fiction route instesd of embracing the magical moments.
@reddancer2542
@reddancer2542 7 күн бұрын
I... You do realize Mahkno bent over backwards to align with the soviets and they still repressed his movement right? Don't try to justify that. I am more than willing to accept an olive branch for the sake of the greater good, but you do have to actually extend one first and acknowledged that your favorite guys did a bad thing.
@shushunk00
@shushunk00 5 ай бұрын
6:03 all of these would be perceived by libs,lib left(social liberals) as excuse for ussr state level bad policies ,as they lack dialectic pov of the world(forget about dialectical materialism and historical materialism😅)
@annkama2140
@annkama2140 5 ай бұрын
28:14 this scene reminded me scene from soviet movie "The Elusive Avengers 2" the same scene in the club where Lyudmila Gurchenko character sings a song mocking the white intelligentsia abroad kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWTTeYCeiMSpicU
@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gm
@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gm 3 ай бұрын
I’m starting to understand. They were depicting the USSR as it was under Stalin, Who Lenin himself even hated to a point where is final wish was “don’t let Stalin replace me.” The stereotype is equating the Soviets with Stalin (and partially also Mao and today the Kim family) “And Stalin/Mao was/were bad so therefore the ideology they held itself is bad”
@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gm
@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gm 3 ай бұрын
Stalin from what I know put in many of the bad policies that became USSR’s legacy. Also he of course he was the guy in charge when the Cold War started. If it weren’t for the Cold War and for Stalin being…Stalin..I 100% believe that we’d include the Russian revolution as one of the many revolutions “we inspired” (aka basically take credit for the Russian Revolution even though it happened over a century later)
@teodorasavoiu4664
@teodorasavoiu4664 2 ай бұрын
I don't think that anecdote about Lenin is accurate, nor is your perception about Mao. Also, Stalin didn't govern by himself, there were other people around who are also partly responsible for decision making. Like, you know, any government
@teodorasavoiu4664
@teodorasavoiu4664 2 ай бұрын
​​@@HappyThoughts-HAPPY-THOU-xx3gmthat would not happen bc the fundamental reason why the cold war happened is not that Stalin was a bad dude, but bc the USSR was an example of a radically different way to structure an economy. That in itself is a good enough reason for countries that have a vested interest in exploiting other countries resources to invade and spread lies about nations that resist or aid other peoples in resisting these attacks. It's all about resources and markets at the end of the day. Maybe read about Cuba, Haiti, Vietnam, DR Congo, Nicaragua, idk the list goes on. Check out the United Fruit Company for example
@greenowla
@greenowla Ай бұрын
​@@teodorasavoiu4664, i don't know much about Mao, but i know, that the "anecdote" about Lenin is true. You can search "Lenin's Testament", he literally recommended to remove Stalin from the leadership position (he wrote that in the additional letter few weeks after). I'm from Russia, I was born there and I lived there all my life (so my English may be not perfect, sorry). I assume that you try to justify Stalin's terror, and that's unfair to the millions of victims, that's just strange. I think, that you got it wrong, and also you may read about the Nikita Khrushchev's report "On the Cult of Personality and Its Consequences", if you don't believe that Stalin was responsible for the repressions (I am not trying to attack you, I personally find it wonderful when people talk about my country's history without judgmental "cold-war" perspective, even if they make mistakes)
@aahzmandiusdemon3204
@aahzmandiusdemon3204 Ай бұрын
In such context you really should really mention that even in the white movement - monarchists were a minority, and those that believed in continued rule of Nikolai II were minority among that minority,
@workinprogressdotdotdot
@workinprogressdotdotdot 2 ай бұрын
I wish every popular american liberal commentary/essay youtuber could see this
@iFukuyama
@iFukuyama 5 ай бұрын
Okay but you are more communist when you strangle a monarch with your bare hands.
@darthdavlo9516
@darthdavlo9516 5 ай бұрын
Trice as many times, I get to be here at least
@koba4691
@koba4691 5 ай бұрын
Очень интересно слушать умную девушку. Мне кажется я немножко влюбился.
@DinoCism
@DinoCism 5 ай бұрын
Anarchists play the perpetual martyr card over repression without mentioning that they ran around doing assassinations of Bolsheviks including Vladimir Zagorsky who was killed, with 12 others and 50 wounded, when an anarchist chucked a bomb in the room. The irony: Zagorsky had just been saying that Soviet Union should be tolerant toward anarchists. There's also an implicit assumption that when anarchists had their revolutions in Ukraine and Spain that they weren't doing the exact same shit. Prison camps, military conscription, summary executions, top down central committees, forced labor, secret police: anarchists did it all because when it's them doing it all of the sudden it's understandable cause they are doing it for "liberty." When marxists do it apparently it's just evil for evil's sake. Clearly they need to blame communism for anarchism not succeeding anywhere, which is wishful thinking given that there's never been an anarchist experiment that could stand up to a state.
@seekingabsolution1907
@seekingabsolution1907 5 ай бұрын
The difficulty of opposing state militaries without one of your own is not an argument for the superiority of states as a system, just their efficiency as tools of oppression.
@whatifiputsomethingsilly
@whatifiputsomethingsilly 5 ай бұрын
​@@seekingabsolution1907 marxist-leninists also want to do away with states. they believe it has to be used as a weapon of war against the propertied classes and foreign capitalist influence beforehand to protect the revolution and carry out proletarianization of the whole population, thus ending class distinctions and removing the need for the state. arguing for or against in ideal terms is meaningless. you can argue against the necessity of it but by the practice of the anarchist revolutions it seems like a hard argument to make.
@ThatSpaghettiWeevilKitty
@ThatSpaghettiWeevilKitty 5 ай бұрын
Ok state capitalist
@ВасилийМирамчук
@ВасилийМирамчук 2 ай бұрын
You probably forgot to mention that the anarchists opposed the Bolsheviks when the latter literally began usurping power and suppressing self-government, curtailing disloyal soviets, etc. Forced conscription was not used by anarchists in Spain or Ukraine. Neither did they use forced slave labor or civil institutions organized “from the top down”. Even the anarchist armed forces were democratized as much as possible, and the POW camps in Spain were a resort compared to the political concentration camps of the Gulag. You don't have to put us on the same page. Communism did not exist anywhere at all (Marxists never had a monopoly on communist ideas), you built only party-cracies with state-capitalist economies, which have now collapsed due to your own party elites in the vast majority. Moreover, Marxist radicals usually came to power in coalitions with the same anarchists, whose experiments were suppressed by Marxists. In the classical way - with a stab in the back. On the other hand, this will be a lesson for the future, it is necessary to strike first.
@gwynbleidd1917
@gwynbleidd1917 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your hard work making this wonderful video, comrade!
@annabeatrice19
@annabeatrice19 5 ай бұрын
Great video overall, but I just want to say that it's kind of weird to use the fact that the tsar was violently antisemitic as a way to show that the russian empire was worse then the soviet union. Antisemitism was just as bad under communism as it was under monarchy, since it is found pretty equally in any political ideology. Some important progressive and far left figures were antisemitic: Karl Marx said jews were enemies of the proletariat and Malcom X shared around The Protocoles of the Elders of Zion, saying it was a truthfull and important book. Anyway, it's just to say that just because a person or a government is progressive in one matter doesn't mean it can't be bigotted towards another.
@KaminoKatie
@KaminoKatie 5 ай бұрын
Jews has historically been used as a scapegoat for centuries
@timelordvictorious
@timelordvictorious 5 ай бұрын
Don’t think you will get any conversion she seems convinced the USSR never did anything wrong.Which is impossible.
@becuaseimbored3481
@becuaseimbored3481 5 ай бұрын
Yeah the SU is all great and wonderful until you get sent to the gulag.
@MrRhombus
@MrRhombus 5 ай бұрын
YAYYYY PART 2 :3
@helliumballoons7546
@helliumballoons7546 3 ай бұрын
Nooo, the musical got rid of the most accurate detail from the movie! Zombie Rasputin 😂
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 3 ай бұрын
Lmao 😂
@claudiaborges8406
@claudiaborges8406 3 ай бұрын
Being terminally online and reading a shtton of theory are not mutually exclusive. Lotta people in this platform doing just that
@dl-zf9dj
@dl-zf9dj 5 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤ 😊
@Enjoyurble
@Enjoyurble 5 ай бұрын
... furbies? ... FURBIES
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
I literally refused to move to the US until my parents bribed me with a furby lol
@Enjoyurble
@Enjoyurble 5 ай бұрын
@@revolutionaryth0t Was it worth it or do you have buyer's remorse?
@kawadashogo8258
@kawadashogo8258 5 ай бұрын
I would like to expand on the bit about the Bolsheviks supposedly suppressing anarchists. This is a highly exaggerated bit of anarchist mythology, which is unfortunately extremely widespread due to how bourgeois media has always given a platform for anarchists seeking to demonize communism, Lenin and Stalin. Anarchists were not actually systematically suppressed by the Bolsheviks. In fact many anarchists joined the Bolsheviks and were welcomed by them after Great October. The anarchists who WERE suppressed, weren't suppressed for simply being anarchists or expressing opinions, but for things like terrorism, assassinations, anti-Semitic pogroms (committed by Makhno's army), and simple banditry. Anarchists in Petrograd were notorious for engaging in things like robbery. A Western diplomat in Petrograd got carjacked by anarchists. Present-day anarchists love to act like martyrs and pretend that the Soviets were these mean evil authoritarians who just wanted to suppress and kill anarchists because they hate freedom and all that, but it's a myth, popularized by notorious liars like George Orwell. Anarchists only ever faced suppression by communists once they had taken up arms against a socialist government. Like the anarchists in Spain after the Barcelona uprising against the republic (an act which helped no one but Franco), and even then, most anarchists weren't actually imprisoned or executed, just forced to demobilize their ineffectual little militias and join the Spanish Republican Army so they could actually be of some use to the anti-fascist cause. Communists need to not be giving credence to this ugly anti-communist mythology and self-flagellating over it. Communists never systematically suppressed anarchists, and anarchists who were suppressed always had done something to deserve it. They weren't simply expressing their views, but doing shit like murdering Bolsheviks or carjacking foreign diplomats or staging uprisings against a government that was fighting for its life against fascism.
@cyrilmarasigan7108
@cyrilmarasigan7108 5 ай бұрын
I think USSR being a scary one have some truths to it IF you are near the ones who held power. For common folk it has great benefits if you shut your mouth and were polite to others because if you have just a little curiosity about the countries outside Russia then you are f**ked especially if you have different ideology than the one's in power and much worst if you are connected to them because let's face it other than political prisoners who were sent in the gulags what other people for them by the time 50s came have 5 digits of casualties which is a small comparison if you count who were imprisoned because they were political rivals or done some crimes
@timelordvictorious
@timelordvictorious 5 ай бұрын
I agree think you where ok unless you challenged the norms
@LadyRed_
@LadyRed_ 5 ай бұрын
Fin(d)-lee Ohio mentioned????
@LukeGabriel-786
@LukeGabriel-786 5 ай бұрын
Do you speak Russian? Never mind
@LukeGabriel-786
@LukeGabriel-786 5 ай бұрын
➡️⬅️❤️
@Oblivitana
@Oblivitana 5 ай бұрын
🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈
@TyanaAlexandra
@TyanaAlexandra 3 ай бұрын
You believe in communism but this video would not be allowed under such regime think about that
@puppypalice
@puppypalice 5 ай бұрын
“My father was an anarchist, he died in a labour camp” Good!
@timelordvictorious
@timelordvictorious 5 ай бұрын
Just saying but there are meany sides to the argument .as I said before Russia like every country has maid its mistakes like every country
@sannh
@sannh 5 ай бұрын
In my head, Anya is disgusted with the Oligarchy and Dimitri, and she has a relationship with a historically accurate Gleb (who likes to be sexually dominated), and they have a daughter named Olga and Anya takes advantage of public daycare, laundry, and cafeterias.
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
I really wish this existed, someone needs to rewrite the musical and keep all the banger songs but with this plot
@Arushi701
@Arushi701 5 ай бұрын
She may be disgusted by the oligarchy, but the communists killed her family. Do you think she would be ok with them
@Potocalter
@Potocalter 5 ай бұрын
Thumbnail: soviets = bad??? I mean YEAH? WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN 😭
@alexandrad3158
@alexandrad3158 5 ай бұрын
wait a min, wasn't the СССР just as antisemite as the czarist regime, maybe more so?
@greenowla
@greenowla Ай бұрын
i agree with you, of course it was. Причем в СССР антисемитизм процветал очень и очень долго, и на деле в советском союзе было довольно много национализма
@ebebebeb7283
@ebebebeb7283 5 ай бұрын
Wait so are you an anarchist. I'm kind of hearing "yeah the state is bad and repressive. But that's just how the world is, nothing you can do" lol
@revolutionaryth0t
@revolutionaryth0t 5 ай бұрын
I am ideologically aligned with the guy who said “While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State.”
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