Everything Wrong With Ghostbusters: Afterlife In 21 Minutes Or Less

[@cenobitecenobite7380]

I think the reason she managed not to kill anyone with the proton pack is that there appear to be about 30 people in the entire town.

[@django60617]

or Egon was there the whole time and learned some shit while being dead,like possession and manipulation. as in he helped control the wand like he did at the end so she didn't kill anyone and possess her brother lightly and manipulated him to fix the car.

[@chrisw207]

I live near where it was filmed. That's pretty close.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

Sounds like the town or Perfection. 14 people at the start of the first film.

[@anthonygenejones6744]

As an Oklahoman who frequently works in the panhandle area you are correct

[@awebtoonreader4979]

Lmfao

[@MagnifloriousMummer]

The demon couldn't possess him because Egon used the Tazer setting to kill himself before he was possessed. This in turn also also allowed Egon to continue on as a ghost, because his work was still unfinished.

[@slkshewolf]

Exactly, that's why he was looking for the PKE, not to find out if ghosts were there but to prepare to taz one.

[@Mr.Fulton]

Umm... Why exactly couldn't a demon possess a dead body? I mean, wouldn't having to force yourself inside of an inhabited body by harder than getting inside an empty one?

[@twskyli4907]

Hold on, it was fricking off camera, how tf did you know?

[@StealTheSun1985]

@@Mr.Fulton I think the whole generally accepted mythology around possession is that the soul has to be present within a living human in order for a demon to possess them. In this case, once Egon was dead, there was no way for Vinz Clortho to possess him because, as is with generally accepted possession mythology, the soul leaves the body immediately following death. I love, love, LOVE this movie. I know it has some flaws, but this movie makes me so happy every time I watch it. So I'm definitely biased when it comes to defending it. Have a good evening!

[@Mr.Fulton]

@@StealTheSun1985 It's generally seen as harder for a demon to inhabit a living human than an animal or inanimate object.

[@DW3010]

The eyeball ghost was a reference to one of the toys that came out with the real Ghostbusters line in the late 80s. I had that exact toy and geeked out to myself what I saw it in the movie

[@brettbaratheon9776]

It was so awesome too!

[@joegrizzly1327]

Had the exact same reaction, I remember my Mom taking me to KB to get it and the two of us playing Ghostbusters for hours, one scene brought back so many memories

[@brettbaratheon9776]

@@joegrizzly1327 I freaking miss KB. Never got to take my kid there. Toys r us too, man so much has changed.

[@ianashby6294]

One of my nabours had that toy back in the day

[@No_one654]

@@brettbaratheon9776 and not for the better it seems.

[@gessabelle]

I like Ghost Egon. It seems a sweet way to include Harold Ramis. And there’s nothing saying a ghost cant be good. They just didnt encounter any because who would call the Ghostbusters about a kind gentle ghost

[@Wymorence]

I mean Slimer and Stay-Puft also are 'good' in The Real Ghostbusters series. It's not even close to unheard of to that fandom. Haven't seen the movie yet (I'm categorized as high risk, so I didn't feel like taking a risk due to the obvious), but even I saw the inclusion of Egon as a ghost to be a fitting send off of a beloved character that left us too soon.

[@joshuamccracken1498]

My question is why wasn’t Egon sucked into the traps along with oh, I don’t know, EVERY SINGLE GHOST WITHIN A FIFTY MILE RADIUS?

[@ThePzwilson]

Ghost Egon was done perfectly, and it was the best way to honor and include the character.

[@LegoDork]

@@ThePzwilson Agreed. The fact that he never spoke was perfect. I legit teared up.

[@LegoDork]

@@joshuamccracken1498 Thanks, you just ruined the whole movie for me. Santa , the tooth fairy, and the easter bunny are all your parents. Religion is all manipulative bullshit to keep the plebs in line. Money is just a pile of convoluted concepts and not based on any actual anything other than speculation anymore. Worst of all, Nobody is actually steering this ship, its just a bunch of apes looking out for their own egos.

[@FishoD]

I kinda of fail to understand why including Ghost Egon warrants such a negative reaction. It was so heartfelt, so tastefully done. I didn't know the actor was dead, but I find this to be a very respectull sendoff. I actually teared up when I watched it. Who wouldn't want to have their lost family member guide them in a desperate time. Phoebe clearly didn't connect with anyone, not her mother or her brother, or with anyone in school. She somehow knew she would connect with ther grandpa the most, as a lot of grandchildren do, but it wasn't meant to be. I am actually tearing up again just by writing this.

[@zumby101]

yeah seriously what the hell was his problem? even harold rammus' daughter was okay with the cgi egon.

[@cara6283]

I was SOBBING in the theater when he showed up. It was so well done. I'm really glad they kept him silent, or it might have broken the moment, but it was really good.

[@deboxmojave6541]

It was crap. Get over it

[@DragonFaerie]

@@deboxmojave6541 rude.

[@joeyjharold]

I thought it was very well done. Especially the fact that they didn’t ruin it by dubbing in some old clips or a crappy impressionist and just left him a silent ghost to help

[@EATSLEEPDRIVE2002]

My favorite part of this movie was: “Are you…a god?” ……. -“RAAYYY???” -“Oh come on, Ray!”

[@Durwood71]

That was a great callback.

[@thepopculturebuff5080]

I love it when Winston tries to shoot Gozer after they got their asses handed to them and Peter just goes “Well, good try, anyway.” Loved seeing Bill Murray as Venkman again.

[@Durwood71]

@@thepopculturebuff5080 Bill Murray has an uncanny ability to take even the most mundane line and make it hilariously funny.

[@danniefarrow8214]

Honestly I think she Very much remembered them and as such it was a even better Taunting line as a callback! :D but that's just what I think

[@welcometoapollocabin2432]

"Ray... when someone asks if you're a god, you say *YES!* "

[@tristanmohr112]

Harold Ramis's family gave them their blessing and they wouldn't have included Egon if the family said no, it was a beautiful moment and a proper send-off especially when you know that right before his death Bill Murray actually visited Harold Ramis in the hospital after they hadn't spoken to one another for over 30 years after falling out, they made amends right before he died

[@MasterJunior93]

20:07 Before Egon died, he experimented on his old proton pack by supercharging it, but he couldn't finish it. He helped Phoebe put the finishing touches on it to complete the pack. You can see earlier on when Phoebe is testing the pack, the lights move at a faster rate, hense proving that it is SUPERCHARGED, like overclocking a computer to make it process and run faster, but at the risk of overheating. Phoebe's pack is stronger because it's supercharged, hense why her proton stream is stronger than the original Ghostbusters' proton packs.

[@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy]

I don't know that i would use the term supercharged, but it has definitely been modifedikely for this specific purpose and Egon knowong he would have to go at it alone. Funny, while this is so obvious i a tually hadn't considered this as the reason that Phoebe's pack can stand up to Gozer when the guys' couldn't. I am still really off put by how they utilozed crossing the streams....... thats not how that works.

[@mrcritical6751]

Hell originally there was going to be a visual hint, if you look at earlier trailers the proton streams were purple and red instead of the original colour

[@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy]

@@mrcritical6751 this intrigues me. Any pointers on where to find such an example?

[@mrcritical6751]

@@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy go to the first proper trailer from 2020, the proton stream is a different colour

[@spikysmoothness]

Okay but the basement lab thing perfectly explains why Egon was having trouble paying the electricity bill; he had that entire lab underneath his shed! In the movie it's initially used to make Egon seem like he was odd and struggling to even pay regular bills (Which isn't a funny joke to make on someone either way, but yeah) but the revelation of his underground lab thing explains that he wasn't struggling by simply being "too quirky to manage regular bill payment" but because he was obsessed with the paranormal and didn't stop Ghostbusting.

[@Shuizid]

It still begs the question on where he got the money to pay for it.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@Shuizid Winston

[@grkpektis]

Oh yeah making a dumb POS movie that shoves nostalgic BS down your throat is really respectful to a guy who made movies making fun of nostalgia. This movie is made for morons to go "hehe i remember that twinkie from my pathetic childhood hehe take my money"

[@stanknight9159]

@@mrcritical6751Beat me to it. I am just a year too late.

[@danielleking262]

I thought for a throwback to the original, this was very well done. Having Harold Ramis still being able to be a part of the movie, even after his death, was written incredibly well into the storyline. I love that his granddaughter is just as nerdy and intelligent as he was and how the rest of the characters tied together as the story progressed.

[@als3022]

It was basically there to wash out the terrible taste of 2016 version.

[@mockss6475]

the film was pretty shit tho

[@darkstar4450]

It was always going to be a throwback to the original that's all they do now

[@antmagor]

@@als3022 I had more fun at that movie than I did at this one. At least I laughed at that film. Name me one joke in Ghostbusters afterlife that was even noteworthy. This never once in the whole movie felt like a Ghostbusters movie. To be honest it felt bland. Now if I had been going to see a science-fiction movie in general, then I would’ve enjoyed this substantially. But I came to see a Ghostbusters film and what I got was Stranger Things that just happened to have Ghostbusters in it. And I love Stranger Things, but that isn’t what I signed up for.

[@mitchjames9350]

But besides all that the movie lacked logic and sense and also the writing was lazy.

[@-desertpackrat]

9:06 to be fair, literally 1 or 2 scenes before this he was talking to the girl he obviously has a crush on, and she said she's never been outside of town, or something similar, maybe that she wouldn't get to leave when she graduates or something, and Trevor said "because you don't have a car". He's a hormonal teenager with a crush letting his brain sketch out a future where if he can get a car, he can swoop in and save this girl he likes from being trapped in the boonies, and they can go have a glamorous life together, and he happened to just find a car, so he takes it super seriously and obsesses over it. And even today teenage boys have car phases. High schools in my town still have automechanics class as an elective and kids post online about the cars they're modding or fixing up. Trevor is shy so at first he seems like he has "no personality" but as he is motivated by things like fitting in with other kids, impressing his crush, helping his sister save the world, etc. he starts to show more of his actual hobbies, which happen to include dabbling with car mechanics. They thought that movies have too much exposition, so they imply his hobbies as they arise as his personality opens up more to the viewer and the other characters. You always sin over-exposition, this is how you naturally inject details into the story. Kid finds old car in house, has a crush, likes cars, it all comes together. Or would you rather have five minutes in the beginning of the movie where Callie is like "By the way Trevor, I'm tired of having to organize your collection of 200 Car & Driver magazines, if you want me to pay the fee for your mechanics summer camp I need you to help me out here." and Trevor being like "I'm sorry mom, I'm just so obsessed with cars, you know. If only I could find an old car that I can fix upand call my own someday." He has to have hobbies dude XD Also pretty sure he knew it was "the ecto 1" but he probably assumed it was a replica like the teacher assumed the trap was a replica. People in my city have Ecto 1 replicas, it's not hard to make one.

[@Kokopelli711]

A well-worded sin of a sin. 😂

[@Darthalas]

I don't get why you didn't take sins off for Ghost Egon. Absolutely love that aspect of the movie and the theater that I was in had not one dry eye during that scene even though it was hinted at the entire movie. It was extremely well done and extremely tasteful.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Fun fact: Ivan Reitman acted as Harold Ramis' body double Sadly, he's with Harold now

[@coldermusic2729]

That’s not really a fun fact… kinda sad actually

[@coolnerdlll6053]

And Bob Gunton from Shawshank was the other double. Thankfully he's still got it in him.

[@ChineduOpara]

@@coldermusic2729 Well, it's the Circle of Life. Without Death, Life is meaningless.

[@brettbaratheon9776]

@@coolnerdlll6053 funny, Jeremy showed Bob in the post credit/funny scene thing.

[@LooneyNuke]

Wait, Ivan died??

[@X3Andy]

Absolutely nothing wrong with how they did the ghost of Egon. They did it tastefully and respectfully IMO.

[@Dargonhuman]

And they worked very closely with Harold's surviving family to make sure they did it right.

[@raydunakin]

I agree! I thought it was very well done and a sweet tribute.

[@RonJDuncan]

I actually choked up and cried a little - and I know a lot of people felt the same way.

[@Thurston86]

@@RonJDuncan Just finished watching it and both my husband and I got choked up over Ghost Egon! I agree that it was done both tastefully and respectfully. I was unaware any had any problems with it until watching this video. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@raydunakin]

@Rahldemort Yes, my opinions are that powerful. Bow down before me!😉

[@feris33]

Ghostbusters: Afterlife was the perfect send-off for Egon and Harold. I cried tears of joy and happiness.

[@killbotone6210]

Nah dude. The CGI corpse of Harold Ramis brought to life to sell toys is probably the reason why I didn't bother with this and Ghostbusters was my obsession As a child.

[@MrChupacabra555]

Also: Yes, yes, I was happy ^_^ Even though a lot of the movie was just 'Member Berries', it still felt more like a 'True' Ghostbusters movie than that Other One That Shall Not Be Named (and it was so cool seeing all of them together one final time, if only in this story and not real life).

[@shanivanneck]

It was a fucking travesty how they put him in the movie and how they turned his character into a shitty father. Harold deserved better

[@Craxin01]

@@shanivanneck He wasn't a shitty father. He was making a noble sacrifice to save the world, daughter and grandkids included. A shitty father would have spent time with his family knowing they were going to be brutally slain by a monster he knew he could stop.

[@shanivanneck]

@@Craxin01 A shitty script that doesnt make sense from the characters we knew doesn't negate the fact that leaving your wife and kid is a shitty thing to do.

[@leighguptill9244]

I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you adding multiple sins to Egon's ghost appearance. If anything, it was an amazing tribute to Harold Ramis. Five sins removed.

[@lea-anne9133]

That scene actually choked me up. I did shed tears!😢

[@JennyKenobi09]

Absolutely agree

[@sebastiankuolcrimson1622]

Make that 20 sins.

[@ryanyeager3258]

I won't lie when I saw ghost Egon I actually cried a tear came down my face 😭. I loved it so much may you rest in peace Harold Ramis

[@disavowalf3351]

Nah, without Ramis's say-so, it’s so v wrong. Plus he’s a ghost…er…shouldn’t he be 'busted?!?

[@daniel_wilkinson]

Dan Akroyd really geeked out on the rebuilt original Ecto-1 when it happened, and really knows a lot about cars.

[@originalMEGUSTA]

As someone whos own many a really old car, the Ecto1 being able to start like that with no new parts is actually pretty believable, those old cars were built to last, more than often enough if you find a car that old in a junkyard much less a garage with a cover on it, chances are with some fresh gas and battery it’ll fire up pretty quick

[@MatchstickMan]

Thank you. That sin was dumb. Also, they ignored when Trevor is shown working on the station wagon on their way to the place, soooooo, that, with the car video, he's a car guy, you dips**ts. This video pissed me off with the lack of thought. I think they honestly just skim the movies and write shit down. Unbelievably stupid.

[@mrcritical6751]

Yeah, Trevor’s a gear head that’s literally the first thing we learn about him

[@Mikebuster]

also if you look carefully the engine is repaired by egons ghost before the car starts.

[@optionhotdogmeowkshake4090]

Ghost car

[@Altoryu]

@@MatchstickMan Pretty sure they made a video a long while ago sinning themselves and one of them was them doing this exact same thing, they just skim movies and then throw out a bunch of random 'sins' for shits and giggles and make a video out of it. Also like to add the fact that in the same video they add the sin of 'we're not film critics, we're assholes'

[@trinaq]

I love how Phoebe claims that she's not funny, yet her corny jokes arguably make her the funniest, wittiest character in the entire movie.

[@ChineduOpara]

The word you want is "Funniest" 😅 But yes I concur... She was cheesy, adorable, and funny

[@connorrobilliard7816]

Are you doing the Addams family musical? or have seen it?

[@ZombiZohm]

That's why the movie was so annoying. Any normal person would find her funny, it felt to forced for the other characters to ignore her jokes

[@trinaq]

@@connorrobilliard7816 I actually was an ancestor in my local production a few years ago, it was so much fun! How about yourself? 👻

[@connorrobilliard7816]

@@trinaq I am currently doing it and I am playing Mal

[@matane2465]

"I'm Phoebe." "I'm Podcast." "Why do people call you podcast?" No the sin shouldn't be for why she's asking why he's called podcast it should be why she's asking that instead of saying "podcast isn't a name." He didn't say "people call me podcast." He said "I'm podcast." I'm pretty sure no one actually called him that and he just gave himself that name.

[@thegod300jr]

He did actually lol

[@mrcritical6751]

Honestly “Podcast isn’t a name” sounds like something she’d say

[@tatianarivera4775]

Thank you

[@blazinjedi2008]

Wouldve been smarter to have him just say call me Podcast

[@joshuagiehll3737]

Pheobe didn't need to find the trap for the movie to happen. It was running out of juice, that's why they had to jump start it to open it. The demon dog was already starting to force its way out.

[@ThePzwilson]

Yep. If Egon hadn't led her to it, it might have failed randomly whenever and under the floorboards.

[@goodnewsgeek42]

Exactly, and they implied that fairly clearly... Guess they weren't paying attention

[@awebtoonreader4979]

Ooh thanks!

[@awebtoonreader4979]

I feel like after reading alot of comments here I remember how the movie actually did make sense

[@Dargonhuman]

@@goodnewsgeek42 CinemaSins not paying attention to details explained in the movie to make a joke is a running theme. It's almost a cliche of their own making at this point.

[@rubysuncle]

I love your channel. Everything you guys make, no matter what movie it is, I’ve enjoyed. This is one of those cases where I don’t agree, but I still enjoy the video. That movie was UTTERLY fan service. And I was completely there for it. It wasn’t “ funny” like the original, but it hit the heartstrings especially towards the end. Especially with regards to Harold Ramis.

[@kennethguthrie180]

Hollywood can never seem to get it right. Either they stray too far from the source material and we end up with what we had in 2016, or they stick religiously to the source material and create a fan-fiction movie. 😓

[@gump5ter01]

@@kennethguthrie180 nah I think they got this as right as is possible. The originals can’t be touched. They where made at a point in time that can’t be replicated. This is as close as it gets and was respectful of what the franchise meant to people. When they movie came out I was 7. And I remember going to the cinema and seeing it. I was in deep with ghost busters. I had everything and I mean everything. It was my life as a child. I really enjoyed how they made this one and feel it was definitely respectful to what it used to be

[@kennethguthrie180]

@@gump5ter01, I was 8, I agree. Hence why I say this movie is a little too “pandering to the fans”. Jeremy himself noted when they introduced things from the first movie that didn’t really make too much sense other than causing us Gen-Xer nerds to squee in delight. Just for example, the Michelin Man scene in the Walmart. That scene was completely unnecessary and didn’t make particularly too much sense. It would have been better to cut that scene out completely and just leave that dusty Michelin Man road sign as an Easter egg.

[@kennethguthrie180]

@@gump5ter01, it’s as “cringey” and forced as The Terminator sequels, when Arnold says something along the lines of “I’ll be back.” It sounds so forced that it sucks.

[@henkhenkste6076]

it was garbage get over it

[@scannerproductions]

7:26 - Afterlife erases the events of 2016 Answer The Call.. All sins removed 10:52 - First off, Peter and Egon lowered Slimer closer to the trap and shut off their throwers before Ray closed it… Also, Ray and Peter had ahold of one of each Scoleri Brother and shut off their throwers before Egon closed the trap… Also, also, watch the jogger ghost scene in Ghostbusters 2… no proton pack used in that scene, only the trap… 10 sins removed 20:05 - Yes, yes, yes yes yes YES YESSSSSSSSSS! If you didn’t shed a tear during this scene, you are a LIAR and a complete heartless bastard! I’m talking to you Cinemasins! You can add those sins you placed in this screen, to the next Fast and Furious movies!!! - All is forgiven and all sins removed! GOOD DAY SIR!!!

[@shmikex]

9:08 I think this illustrates that Phoebe isn't the only one with some level of genius that Egon passed down the line. It's just Phoebe retains more of Egon's personality than Trevor.

[@dylanrivera2244]

Still, better than whatever the hell Ghostbusters 2016 was.

[@trinaq]

Indeed, it makes up for that train wreck!

[@rahbeeuh]

We don't talk about that

[@coolnerdlll6053]

As I've said before, 2016 wasn't good by any means, but I think the hate for it is way overblown, just like Emoji Movie. Neither one is worth watching, but they're not the crimes against humanity people say they are.

[@Yukinoomoni]

The book was better.

[@godzillavkk]

By constantly going "WE'RE JUST LIKE THE 80'S MOVIE!"? Some movie.

[@PurpledaisyShasta]

Having him as a ghost fighting side by side with the living ghost busters was a beautiful tribute

[@stanknight9159]

It would have been empty any other way. I love that he was a massive part of the movie, through spirit too. Even through the hints like the twinkie.

[@jahrta]

I like how the one thing you sinned the most and said made you (and supposedly "everyone else in the theater" as well) "absolutely disgusted" was the thing that I and everyone I've spoken to and every comment I've read about it online said was their favorite part of the movie.

[@henkhenkste6076]

shame on you then

[@anthony7697]

So - I'm going to drastically over-simplify here, but to answer the question about the 'Eye ghost' and others that appear non-human such as slimer and muncher, no, they aren't necessarily 'demons'. The more traditional ghosts that appear human and all depending on type are essentially residual/trapped energy (where it's sort of just an echo of the past) or just outright not moved on - like what we see with Egon in the film. Something like Slimer or the others, if not from a different plane of existence or dimension, are for lack of a simpler explanation just collections of energy - like an Elemental in video games or the like that has it's own intelligence but was not formerly a living being as we know it. And well, take whatever form they take, some you may be able to easily figure out why, others not so much. I actually found the more scientific nature and approach fascinating over the usual more mystic one so looked in to it a lot when I was younger.

[@Dargonhuman]

That's why Tobin's Spirit Guide has so many different classifications of entities - they're not all disembodied spirits of the deceased.

[@kay-dc8495]

Doesn't matter how many cinemasins are in this movie, I'd still watch it over the 2016 version anyday

[@RaydarVI]

2016 version is my 2nd least favorite movie, 1st least favorite is Playmobil movie.

[@venrax91]

Wait they actually made a Playmobil movie

[@RaydarVI]

@@venrax91 Yeah, it's LEGO movie but 100x worse.

[@brettbaratheon9776]

There was a Ghostbusters movie in 2016 huh? Oh yeah, wasn’t that some trashy fan fiction?

[@thewhiterabbit133]

@@venrax91 just think of the lego movie but without what makes the lego movie good. And with playmobil instead of lego

[@shmikex]

16:50 Technically we never see Zuulgourney Weaver create her dress. So maybe that's a part of Zuul's powers?

[@terrib627]

Mackenzie Grace (who plays Phoebe) is an incredible actor. Check out her role in The Handmaid's Tale if you don't believe me. When I saw her being interviewed as her normal self, I could not get over how much she transforms herself in her roles. Here she looks like she could have been Egon's daughter (the genes jumped a generation). Since we were subjected to the Afterlife trailer for what seemed like 8 years, I spent most of that time marveling at that genius bit of casting.

[@M.H.I.A.F.T.]

McKenna Grace

[@Elemental_Entity]

She's the worst part of this whole damn movie. When you have zero charisma, or personality thats referred to as bad acting.

[@gabrielangulo4764]

@@Elemental_Entity dude Mckenna Grace its one of the most successful child and teenagers actresses today, she is an excellent actress, watch her on the many horror movies she has done over the years and the Hill House Tv show on Netflix, she is just amazing and she had a lot of charisma, anyone on Hollywood can tell you that

[@Elemental_Entity]

@@gabrielangulo4764 She is by far not one of the most successful, although I do think she's a decent actress, just bad in this movie. Her performance in this movie was flat and poor, probably because of the director who got hired because of nepotism and not actual talent, considering the movies Jason has made prior have been flops costing millions of dollars, being the original directors son did not qualify him to make this movie and it shows without poorly the characters are handled. Valid criticism.

[@gabrielangulo4764]

@@Elemental_Entity if you compare with other child actresses of her generation, she is one of the most famous and talented, just ask anyone in Hollywood business. Dude, Jason Reitman has directed some movie hits like: Juno, Thank You for Smoking and Up on the Aire, all very well famous and with a fresh critic by the experts, he pitch the project to Sony executives, as a love letter to Ghostbusters Fans and to his own father.

[@sillyandcompany5209]

I saw this in the theater and it was one of the best movie experiences ever.

[@vastotales4431]

I would have removed multiple *SINS* if they would've put Rick Moranis even if for 5 mins

[@mrcritical6751]

He refused to appear

[@michaelpipkin9942]

Yea, he's over that shit.

[@joegrizzly1327]

@@michaelpipkin9942 he stepped away from acting in 1991 to raise his children after his wife died of cancer

[@The_Rickest_Rick]

@Michael Pipkin Yet totally not over reappearing as Wayne Szalinski in Honey I Shrunk the Kids reboot

[@joes9954]

@@The_Rickest_Rick He also voiced Dark Helmet for an episode of the Goldbergs.

[@MaiAolei]

A couple more sins to add: The burger joint kids hung out sitting in a rusted out mining lift hanging above the bottomless abyss. Mom character changed into her mating dress barefoot but then picked up a pair of high heels on the way into the mine. You did mention how Muncher flew away while always staying on the roads, but as far as I understood the use of the proton packs, their job was to immobilize the ghost for a successful trapping. Muncher just kept flying unfazed while being lassoed by the proton beam, and the trap was catching him in full motion. Either the proton pack didn't do its job, or it was unnecessary. But I resent the sins for Egon's ghost cameo. The whole movie was a farewell to Harold Ramis, and I personally had tears in my eyes during that moment.

[@wanderingacres9528]

I would have hung out in a rusted out mining lift. We had a old abandoned factory in town a we would hang out on the sketchy riof

[@MaiAolei]

@@wanderingacres9528 Must be a generational thing. I just can't keep up with you young whippersnappers anymore.

[@timewarriorsaga]

I love this movie, the first in a long time that I just got excited for a movie and wanted to see in theaters.

[@triggerhappy4199]

Facts

[@sneaksquid]

I thought it was gonna suck (like most reboots do) but I was happily surprised when I watched it! Gave the the same feeling as an adult as the first Ghostbusters did when I was a kid.

[@No_one654]

@@sneaksquid same here. It was a nice trip down memory lane. As for "reboots", that "other" Ghostbusters movie should be forgotten and expunged from all records and memory.

[@Craxin01]

I know it's Cinema Sins' job to poke holes in movies, but he's WAY to hard on this one. I just watched it again today because my buddy hadn't seen it, and I STILL loved it!

[@flippy101mph9]

my fav ghostbusters

[@lunaticgaming7967]

"I hope Ghostbusters fans are happy." Your damn right we are. This movie was perfect!!! P.S. I STILL loved the sins video....

[@4Legacy]

42 seconds of Cinema Sins ads and logos *DING*

[@cara6283]

Okay. Talk shit about the ghost of Egon, but I was a blubbering mess in the theater when he showed up. The original movies were such a highlight of my childhood, and Harold Ramis was a genius. Seeing him come back "to life" was a seriously emotional moment.

[@legiongamer-works-podcaster]

;=; great film

[@AlexSeverinski]

Cinemasins: It's nice that Ghost Egon is there. Cinemasins Literally Five Seconds Earlier: Gives 50 sins for Ghost Egon's appearance. Yeah, that tracks.

[@MegaZeo]

Eh, it makes sense, I think. It's a nice sentiment to do a "one final meeting" thing with Egon, but really, they probably shouldn't have done it. It feels kinda wrong to recreate a dead man just for the nostalgia feels.

[@thisprofilepicisakittyboi9831]

I loved the ending to this movie. Ghost Egon was a pretty nice surprise and it almost made me want to cry in the theater.

[@singletona082]

As someone who enjoyed Afterlife? it is great of you to go 'these are the things it could have done better.' Fandom does not mean we have to be dumb fans.

[@Milner62]

I agree but at the same time some of thoses sins were ignoring the story to some extinct. Such as the gate being closed assuming Egon went in that way.

[@singletona082]

@@Milner62 Agreed. along with 'why egon?' Given to an extent the movie reflected Harold Rami's and dan Akroyd's falling out (and later reconciliation before ramis's passing) that's a core component to the movie so in a way it HAD to be egon.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

The only big problem with it for me was bringing back the dogs. Fix that and the movie is a masterpiece.

[@919ENTERTAINMENTLLC]

@@singletona082 actually that Bill and Harold.

[@johncoleman2168]

For someone as smart as Egon. The fact he didn’t put in a Failsafe when he was building his scale model in his basement to make sure the Gozer trap worked when the right time came is MIND BOGGLING. How could Egon NOT put in a Failsafe when he KNEW the risks involved if it did fail (which it did, which ended up getting himself literally killed)

[@Laugh1ngboy]

Egon wasn't always perfect he had failures. I mean he had to guess about a lot of the stuff that was going to happen in the first place.

[@timmychickenman69]

You also gotta consider limited resources to his plan. All he had was what the town offered and what he took from the firehouse. There might have been a failsafe idea, but due to the lack of resources and loss of sanity after living alone for so long, he must have just said "screw it" and went along with the plan without taking the right precautions or tests, which considering the 1st film and the game egon has been known to not test his equipment in the first place. It matches his character fairly well, his 1 flaw was inevitably his downfall.

[@jodinsan]

One scene that I'm surprised you missed was during the chase with the Ecto-1 and the RC Trap. At the end of the drive when the Ecto-1 does the fishtail skid to a stop, the RC Trap does the same thing. _Why_ would a radio controlled trap perfectly mimic the movement of a car? Did Podcast make it do that? How would he know they were even going to stop like they did? Was the RC Trap designed to mimic the movement of the Ecto-1 somehow? *Someone make that scene make sense!*

[@MaiAolei]

No! This scene will haunt you for the rest of your life. Like a GHOST!

[@DanielS2001]

Maybe because Podcast dropped the controls and it landed front first, and that due to the Ecto-1 going into the fish tail, the gravitational force that typically occurs when you apply brakes rapidly to a vehicle, ended up causing the remote to slide, applying weight to the controls onto the stick used to control left and right movement and that caused the RC car to slide as well.

[@OutOfIdeasINC]

Maybe because it was programmed to do that?

[@christianschoff2490]

Holy crap. I never thought of that. That is dumb.

[@sprinkle61]

Its rule of cool, it happened because it looked cool, stop trying to find a reason for cool.

[@alirosenbusch151]

This is how to do a nostalgia bassed sequel! I love this movie so much!❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@GameSuenden]

They brought them all back for Fan Service, but they missed out on Rick Moranis.

[@ourkeving]

Didn't he retire from acting?

[@DHynes5]

Unfortunately, Moranis turned down the role

[@infinitebb]

After his wife died.. he doesnt really do movies no more 😪

[@MrDash03]

He was still recuperating from being attacked in New York so I doubt he would appear even if he wanted to.

[@sverrezippel8181]

Da hast du Recht

[@beejay271]

Without even finishing the video I say the number one thing should be Ray not believing Egon. In no timeline would Ray EVER doubt Egon the two of them were in lockstep when it came to science beliefs

[@gabrielsatter]

You could probably show him the giant fucking demonic video wall relief too, if he needed a bit more evidence... Odd that the whole world knew who the GB's were, but nobody thought a demon mine was interesting enough to check out?

[@thatdrewrivers]

Love that you got Bob Gunton in there at the end, with him being the physical stand in for Egon.

[@phantom6]

Not just a body though, apparently he went hard and studied Harolds performances as Egon to get the movements as close as possible. He knew what they were going for and wanted to make the "Goodbye letter" as good as possible. The man is a wonderful artist.

[@elnino7822]

Hollywood should take notes, cos this is how you do fan service. Loved it

[@geardog24]

"Are you ready to die?" "No, I'm twelve. Are you?" Now that's how you make a female Ghostbuster.

[@brettbaratheon9776]

Exactly. She had more style, class, and dominating screen presence than all four of those slobs.

[@Craxin01]

All the clapback from the white knights defending that awful 2016 garbage movie was, "misogynist fanboys can't handle a strong female lead!" This movie not only had a strong female lead, but she was 12! AND the fanboys loved it. It's almost like the reason they were angry with 2016 was because it was an awful movie with bad writing and bad acting with horrible CGI.

[@JR-ju3kj]

@@Craxin01 I love the movie but( and I don't consider it overthinking it since that's PART of what Cinema Sins does with movies when you think about it)one of my only issues with it was having children using proton packs as Ghostbusters. If the proton packs are nuclear accelerators, than they're dangerous weapons, if children wouldn't be using automatic guns and semi-automatic guns, then why would it make sense for them to be using proton packs? But the movie gets away with it because proton packs are science-fiction-weapons and fantastical and there's no reference or basis for them in real life, whereas guns are real. So for me, kids being Ghostbusters and running around using dangerous weapons is one of the few sins of an awesome movie.

[@JonesTheLad]

7:13 - Very clever! Well done to whoever wrote that one! Think I caught all eight movies mentioned!

[@PGHDude]

Egon helping Pheobe doesn't make the proton pack stronger my dude. He's keeping her grounded so that she's not overtaken by Gozer's blast. He's essentially holding her in place until the other Ghostbusters can back her up. Don't be obtuse dog.

[@timewarriorsaga]

Being obtuse is their job even when they sound overly critical.

[@mrcritical6751]

Also stabling her arms, she hasn’t got good aim

[@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy]

@@mrcritical6751 i figured this was what they were going for, suring her footing and helping her aim, but the aim aspect is poorly executed. In previous films when the guys are flailing around while tethering/wrangling ghosts i always assumed they stayed on target because they had already made contact and the positive aspect of the beam was attracted to the negative energy of the ghosts and that the difficulty in maintaining that through the feedback down the beam is what caused this movement. But in this, when Phoebe first uses the pack on that hunk of metal in the field, she stays dead on target while she jerks all over the place. If she could do that, staying locked on gozer given what we've seen in the past, should not be a problem at all. I really dig the film and appreciate it for its effort and ability to reinvigorate the franchise, but Jason and his writing partner need someone to come in, maybe from the fandom of GB fans or the great KZbin channel "Channeling Spirits" who have a better understanding of the pseudoscience and lore, because for all their effort, and i can feel the effort here, they misstep a few times hard. Case in point: thats not how crossing the streams works and thats not why crossibg the streams worked in the first movie or video game. Again, i dug the movie but by not paying attention to stuff like that you miss a bit of the charm of what Dan Akroyd and his mad science was trying to do, which the team on the original really understood which underscores the zanyness of the premise. I don't know if he still does but a lot of what inspired the original is that Aykroyd really believed in the basis of the supernatural and the scientific means to interact with it back in the 80s. That very strongly informs the tone of what Ghostbusters are and what they do. Harold masterfully streamlined and cleaned that up into something that didnt sound like mad ramblings, and the props and effects departments solidified that into something that was borderline believable if you suspended your disbelief on one or two simple aspects of the real world. Keep going, but they gotta do better.

[@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy]

@@timewarriorsaga if that's a complaint, I dont think you understand what they do here.

[@mrcritical6751]

@@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy if you look at the pack testing scene and focus on the stream itself you can actually see she starts out with good aim but overtime loses control. It starts out going straight but as it goes on the strength becomes too much for her and it starts flailing all over the place. Then during the Muncher chase she hits everything in her path except the ghost, she can control the stream briefly but can’t keep it up for long periods of time

[@sarochiel]

I'm old enough to have grown up on the Beethoven films, and I *still* thought of the composer first and didn't even consider the dog until you mentioned it. And, yes, I need to see Ludwig van Beethoven get rabies and maul people. I'm picturing a cross between Van Helsing and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.

[@lasarith2]

0:47 it just means he had the time when he arrived to close the gate , but while being chased by the ghost attempting to kill him , who what’s to jump out and open the gate 🤷🏼‍♂️ not really a sin there .

[@Milner62]

Or he didnt go through thoses gates since the truck was a shandor mining co. Truck

[@lasarith2]

@@Milner62 could be .

[@alm2187]

16:45 Explains where Dana's glowing dress came from in the original. No, she didn't go to Bloomingdale's while possessed, or anything.

[@marcolujan2457]

Doesn't explain sh*t. And no one cared much about where Dana got that dress from, or at most, you would think she already had it in her apartment. This other scene was ridiculous and came out of the blue, just as pretty much everything else that happens in the movie...

[@Doctors_TARDIS]

The fact that you added sins for Egon showing up instead of removing ALL of them, is a travesty.

[@jaydonmagan4694]

1:57 I would say that the most likely reason is that Egon was escaping the mountain right after he set up that proton trap system. But by then, Zuul and Vinz were already out, or they weren’t connected fully connected to the same world all the ghosts and Gozer were trying to rise up from so the proton trap wouldn’t truly work on them. That’s why Egon had to try and trap them separately.

[@nikkikennedy3080]

13:46 is no one going to mention the kid who is hardcore staring at them while they're talking?

[@slimaine9392]

I noticed it in the movie and I thought he actually was going to say something

[@What.99]

You missed a sin: when Ray said an actor bought up most of Tribeca and turned the firehouse into a Starbucks, yet the end of the movie shows Winston buying back the firehouse, now clearly abandoned for some time. Also, the Ghost Containment Unit was in the basement in the first movie, but now it’s clearly on the ground floor. If the firehouse was turned into a Starbucks at some point, you’re telling me people were running around serving customers right next to the Containment Unit, with the light blinking the entire time the place was open? Also, how did the place have power if it was abandoned? We saw in the first movie what happens when you turn off the Containment Unit, so that removes the possibility that Winston restored power when he bought the building. The only explanation is that somebody was paying the electric bill even though the place was abandoned. The fact that they never had a power outage (releasing the ghosts) in the 32 years since Ghostbusters 2 is also a sin. I also want to know what the deal was with Ivo Shandor. Nobody ever went into the mines where his body was just chilling there in a glass case? Nobody noticed he was missing for however long and thought maybe the places with his name plastered on them should be checked out? And he was definitely dead, right? So his ghost was just flying around, waiting for Gozer to return so he could jump back into his corpse and tell Gozer he freed “her”? Also, Phoebe called the number that was in the Ghostbusters advertisement, so how did it go to Ray’s Occult Books? Weird that he would take the number to the Ghostbusters firehouse and drop the number that his bookstore already had, but whatever. The movie was full of stuff that made absolutely no sense other than to invoke nostalgia, but I still loved it.

[@SnakeEyedAndVenomous]

My theory: Winston, after he becomes wealthy, buys the firehouse to keep the power on knowing about the dangers of the containment grid getting shut off and then, for whatever reason, tells Ray and the others that it was going to become a "Starbucks." As for there being some kind of power outage that could have shut down the containment grid, he could have had a backup power generator installed to keep the power on in the event of a power outage.

[@What.99]

@@SnakeEyedAndVenomous The way Ray said it was a Starbucks made it sound like it it had happened not too long after Egon left and the group disbanded. I would imagine it took Winston a decade or longer to become wealthy like he is in Afterlife, so I doubt he bought the property and just let it sit there abandoned and falling apart, but told Ray that it was turned into a Starbucks. The movie has a bunch of plotholes and things that don’t make sense, just so it can have moments of fan service and nostalgia, and this is one of them as far as I’m concerned. Like why Ray seemingly wasn’t concerned that the firehouse was turned into a Starbucks even though it had a containment unit that likely held hundreds of ghosts, which could be disastrous if the wrong person had control of it. The backup generator is a plausible idea, but I don’t buy it since that would mean it was gas (or updated to solar power) and would have to be running constantly as backup in case a power outage did occur. Otherwise, losing power and then the backup generator kicking on (which is normally how they’re used) would have to be very fast otherwise the ghosts would blast out of the unit. I’m not sure how much time the ghosts would need to escape, but it happened in seconds in the first movie. Anyway, the generator would require regular maintenance to make sure it always had gas (or solar power), and to make sure there was no degradation or rust so it didn’t fail when it was needed. With the firehouse being such a mess and clearly abandoned for some time when Winston visits it in the post-credits scene, I doubt anyone would have been making sure the backup generator was running properly over the years, if it did have one. But, it is possible. Maybe the sequel will have an actual explanation for some of the plotholes, instead of “here’s some nostalgia, don’t think about why it doesn’t make sense”.

[@pohjanakka4992]

@@SnakeEyedAndVenomous Or it had been a Starbucks for a few years after the Ghostbusters had sold it, presumably it had taken some years for WInston to become rich enough to just buy it, but that Starbucks might also have just failed to bring a profit and the place had stood empty for some years even before WInston went and bought it. But Ray simply hadn't been interested enough to keep up with what was happening with it, and since the last time he had, it had been a Starbucks he just thought it still was. Ray did seem kind of bitter over the whole thing so it would make sense if he had not bothered to follow what was going on with everything that belonged to that part of his past. He might have refused to discuss anything about it with the people he did stay in touch with, like Winston, so Winston hadn't bothered to tell him anything either. And if the place had been empty and seemingly abandoned for years it might also have been broken into. I'd presume Winston had paid for a security firm to install at least some alarms and keep an eye on it, but if it had happened they might not have noticed that the intruders had gotten as far as the containment unit and done something to it, so that might explain why it was about to fail.

[@mr.e.484]

Fun fact. The Proton Pack actually weigh 88 pounds. 😉

[@JR-ju3kj]

To me, the fact that they were even using them at all, was one of the few sins to me. Because in Ghostbusters 2, Egon tells Bobby Brown's character( I can't remember if Brown was playing a character or playing himself) after he asks if he can get one of the proton packs for a nephew or cousin or a young relative, that the proton packs that the Ghostbusters use aren't toys. I feel like kids using proton packs is essentially like kids using guns because the proton packs are weapons and they're extremely dangerous weapons. But the movie gets away with it and it's cute and adorable with having little kids using proton packs in the context of a fictional science-fiction/ fantasy movie because proton packs aren't real.

[@Cinemabu11]

0:51 - He probably closed it himself so that no one would come in. Now a ghost has managed to bypass the barrier and he has no choice but to ram through it, as he's running for his life 1:03 - Not only does he die anyway, so that makes this sin pointless, people can survive car crashes and still be relatively fine. This is one of those cases 1:07 - Because of this little thing called tension. The ghost is like an animal, in that is stalks its prey before striking. The Keymaster did the same thing before it possessed Louis in the original movie 1:12 - Well, this is supremely tone deaf. Pretty much everyone LOVED the inclusion of Egon. He's an original member of the Ghostbusters, and Harold Ramis was a major reason as to why Ghostbusters was a major success. This film was made in honor of Harold. He plays a vital part in the story, as the family that moves here is related to him. What they did for Harold in this movie was extremely tasteful in the majority's eyes 1:38 - Again, this "animal" is stalking its prey 1:43 - Because this ghost managed to slip through the defenses before it was turned on again. This was just a case of bad luck on Egon's part. He was literally building a trap at his house as a more permanent solution realizing this beam at Gozer's temple was only temporary 2:17 - What is the sin here? All you're doing is just saying what's happening. In other words, "Narration" DING. Did you expect all their problems to be solved within a few minutes? This simply solves one of their problems and establishes their relationship to Egon. There's nothing wrong with this 3:09 - You serious? Because she doesn't want to IMMEDIATELY stress them out with the fact that they can no longer live in that apartment and HAVE to move. She was going to tell them eventually and wanted to ease them into this new house before breaking the news 3:54 - She's clearly a curious person, for one thing. And second, she probably asked herself that in her head, who knows and who cares. In this scene she stares at the board for a while, clearly confounded by this. She can't think of an explanation and decides to humor the situation by placing a piece on the board 4:50 - That's irrelevant considering he was found in his house. They found no evidence suggesting any other causes of death, and so they ruled it as a heart attack 5:55 - Why would she IMMEDIATELY assume a spirit moved a chess piece? She's a person of science, and logic. And again, she stared at it for a while, meaning she thought about how the piece moved, and after a while she decided to humor the situation and move a piece herself 6:01 - Trevor is a person who loves working with cars. Plus he was curious about the car earlier but didn't unveil it until now 6:35 - The PKE Meter detects psychokinetic energy, and as we know, there are different classes of ghosts, and one way to identify a certain class is by the level of psychokinetic energy a ghost has. Egon's level isn't that high, and so unless he's very close to it, it won't go off as frequently as (hypothetically) Gozer 6:42 - Again, you're just describing what's happening. Phoebe only gasped. She doesn't sense danger as this spirit (Egon) has been nothing but playful, as evidenced by him playing chess with her 6:52 - Egon is happy to be with his granddaughter and wants to play around with her while simultaneously showing her where to go and what to get. Think about it. He played chess to get her attention. He obviously feels bad leaving his daughter and now wants to engage with his family for a little bit 7:23 - Why is that a bad thing? I think everyone wants to forget that movie existed 7:30 - Really? This is a sin? Who cares? This has been a things since the first Ghostbusters, where the trap released smoke after Slimer was trapped for a while. The ghost is obviously trying to escape and the smoke is a sign 7:54 - People can have the weirdest of friends. And even then, normal friends can say weird shit 8:20 - He clearly missed his friends and the pole reminded him of them? That was easy 8:27 - Yes, just like the first, there are stairs that lead up. But which way is more fun? Exactly 8:36 - Janine mentions how she helped Egon by paying some of his bills, as she cared for him. She says he BARELY kept the power on. In the context of the movie, what she means is that although he barely had money he had enough to at least have power, even for his lab. Egon still had a ton of debt that his family now has to pay off 9:05 - First off, that wasn't a movie Trevor watched, it was a video showcasing a car drifting. Second, that scene established that he has an interest in cars. Some people who take interest in that also take interest in their inner workings and what makes them tick He clearly took interest in the car when he arrived at Egon's place as well. And now this scene is further establishing that he's interested in this car enough to take it for a spin. He may not NEED it, but he WANTS to drive it. Key word: "wants." It's not hard to follow These scenes are here to ESTABLISH his interest and knowledge of cars 9:25 - He's clearly having fun, and he gets to test it out in an area where he can't damage any property or hurt anyone 9:43 - Because he thinks they're just that, stories. I mean, when he arrived at the house, he sees Egon's warning about the Apocalypse and thinks it's a good things his mother didn't grow up with him, implying he was crazy This takes place in 2021 and the original takes place in the 80s. As far as we've seen, there are no video recordings of the actual ghosts, and the team was disbanded. There's almost no tangible evidence that the events of the first two movies actually happened, only the word of the people, which isn't enough. Most people, if not everyone, forgot about them. Those that do remember them probably thought they were frauds, like Walter Peck, or they believed what happened but weren't taken seriously Egon wasn't a part of his daughter's life, and so she barely knew anything about him, same goes with the kids. Egon's daughter Callie, was around 2 years old by the time Ghostbusters 1 took place. She wouldn't have remembered those events and probably thought those were stories As far as Trevor is concerned, there are no actual ghosts and the team was making stuff up about ghosts Also, and it's a wonder why you cut this part out, literally after he says this, Phoebe literally says, "Yeah well the stories are real." And Podcast says "So are the guys who climbed the building and saved the world, and fought back an invading army of the undead. Not to mention a 100-foot marshmallow man." Then Phoebe says "Our grandfather was Egon Spengler, he was a Ghostbuster." Later Trevor says he thought his grandfather went nuts This further proves that the world forgot about the Ghostbusters and that the events of the first two movie were labeled as stories, and so Trevor's mother would've had no idea of Egon's adventures or the world almost ending being real. These kids were born almost 20 years after those events 9:54 - What he means is that the person reporting the incident saw bite marks, and not the creature. But even then, what else would the person say? Who would believe him if he said it was a ghost? 10:05 - Maybe it took a bite out of the garbage, and didn't like it, and so it left the "food" and went to find something tastier. Who cares? 10:16 - Ok......I'm waiting for your point 10:20 - An undefined amount of time passed between Trevor picking up Phoebe, and the team chasing Muncher. Podcast could've figured out the controls during the trip to town 10:29 - It's almost like they get arrested later 10:41 - That's because in the original they had to keep Slimer in place above the trap, and because the trap was non-mobile they needed 2 streams to keep him from moving. But now, with this trap, they can follow the ghost and keep the trap under him since it's MOVING ALONG WITH the ghost. So this negates the need for multiple beams. You can see that only using one beam still allows the ghost to move, in contrast to using two to keep in place like in GB1. With the trap being able to move, they can now move at the same pace as the ghost giving the same result. Also this took three Ghostbusters as well. Someone to drive, someone to control the trap, and someone to use the proton pack. (This continues in the replies....)

[@Cinemabu11]

15:29 - That's simply how it works. A fictional world has arbitrary limitations on magical and fantastical concepts. Shocker, I know. It's magic, the reason as to why this magic operates like this (in this instance; in the Ghostbusters world) is simply, because. That's how magic operates the majority of the time in stories. Welcome to sci-fi/fantasy. 15:38 - The Keymaster has possessed a human for a longer amount of time, and has a head start over the Gatekeeper, so this point is moot anyway. 15:52 - I'm with you on Egon showing her where the trap was despite his efforts to hide it. I think maybe it could be him trying to help Phoebe understand what he was doing easier by showing her the actual ghost trap, and that maybe he simply didn't account for her releasing the Keymaster. Basically, with everything that's happened, he was just taking a huge gamble hoping it would pay off, as he believes in his granddaughter. However, your next point about Gozer's minions passing through I already discussed. Egon knew the proton beam defense wouldn't work forever, so he made a trap for Gozer knowing the defense would fail eventually. He was right as Zuul and Vinz Clortho managed to slip through despite his best efforts. And your point about why the two minions mating is what's needed is simply because. That's simply the how the ritual works. Specifically, they need to combine the power of two human souls with their demonic powers, and they can't do that until they possess two humans. With their powers combined with the human souls they've obtained, it creates enough energy to allow Gozer passage to the physical world. Podcast even says that two human souls are required later on in the film. 16:28 - Because there was no need. He basically gave her all the answers by showing her the lab underground. You know, the place where he has his ghostbusting gear and almost assuredly notes on how his machines work. Phoebe was smart enough to figure it out, and was able to explain it using the model of the trap in the lab. Egon knows his granddaughter well enough to know she's able to figure it out on her own now. What you're asking for basically happened. Why write a note when all the answers were already in the house and lab, and your granddaughter is a genius? 16:45 - What is the sin here? No seriously, I'm so confused? If it's a joke, what is it, I don't get it? 16:56 - Well yeah, this earthquake is clearly more dangerous than the last ones, which weren't that big of a deal, and the cops are out there trying to help civilians. I'd say this scenario requires every cop they have. And this is a small town, something tells me there aren't many cops to begin with. 17:31 - F**KING Agreed, YOU DO NOT WASTE J.K. SIMMONS LIKE THAT! 17:38 - You realize all that shit you said doesn't matter right? Who cares if they're demons or ghosts, and who cares how they look. They're supernatural creatures, they can look like anything the filmmakers think of. 18:28 - But that's exactly what they meant. They explicitly say that Gozer needs both the Gatekeeper and the Keymaster. Then the film shows what they actually mean. Gozer is not complete without one or the other, but both, and so she's weakened. It's not them changing the rules, it's them clarifying what they meant. You simply took the statement at face value. 18:55 - Yes, that's exactly it. That's what they're showing, and it's not inconsistent with the rules presented prior. The Gatekeeper and Keymaster have already completed the ritual, so there's no need for either Callie or Gary ANYMORE since they completed their quest and Gozer is now in the physical world. This means that now they only have to function as life support and don't require any specific human, but they can use anyone. Since they already acquired two humans souls and used them to help Gozer cross the border, its free game for either Keymaster or Gatekeeper since their job is done, as they used the power of two human souls already. 19:03 - A powerful deity has supernatural capabilities, I fail to see the problem here. Gozer wants to make them suffer slowly. 19:09 - I'm not sorry to say that you're SEVERELY in the minority with this opinion. Most people who watched this movie actually enjoyed the fan service, as it was used in a way that didn't make your eyes roll, and was actually worked into the story in a way that feels natural. 19:30 - Supernatural, and powerful deity. What other explanation do you need? It managed to survive four streams crossing in the first movie, why is this unbelievable? It seems you're arbitrarily drawing the line with what to accept. 20:00 - I can't believe you're sinning this moment. Pretty much everyone who watched this film, including Ghostbusters fans, loved what they did with Egon in this movie. It was tasteful, heartfelt, and actually pretty emotional. This movie was made in honor of Harold, and I'd say they honored him well. 20:07 - It's not that Egon helping makes the stream more powerful. What he's doing is helping Phoebe by keeping the thrower steady, and making it so the thrower doesn't move around so much, thereby making the proton pack more efficient that it keeps Gozer in place so it can't move. It took 4 streams to stop her last time, and they simply need to hold her long enough until the trap works. Oh look, that's exactly what happens, and all due to an extra 2 streams. They needed more power, and they got it. Is that difficult to grasp, or accept? 20:17 - More bad takes. I am absolutely shocked (not really) 20:30 - Well yeah, he gave power to the capacitor which turned on the traps. What's the problem? 20:44 - We don't need any further context. But here's one reason this could've happened. Maybe one of his old students could've contacted Dana and complained about it, and Dana decides to punish Peter. Maybe they were reminiscing about the past and Peter accidently said too much, which prompted Dana to learn more about his teaching methods. The movie isn't even saying it's their "thing", whatever that means. All the context we need is that Dana found out about what Peter did to his students, and is punishing him with his own teaching methods. That's it. You're simply overthinking it. 21:02 - Who knows? That's why it's in the end credits, to tease the audience and have them speculating what could happen. That's kinda the point of showing this at the very end, to get the audience to ask questions.

[@eddiethefriendlytenderengine]

That was amazing, man. You should check out Th3Birdman's videos where he sins CinemaSins.

[@Cinemabu11]

@@eddiethefriendlytenderengine I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But I actually love Birdman's content.

[@eddiethefriendlytenderengine]

I’m not being sarcastic, I love Th3Birdman!

[@Cinemabu11]

@@eddiethefriendlytenderengine Cool, and I'm glad you liked my comment thread. I'm actually working on one for his Avengers 2012 Re-Sin video

[@BCRivers]

How dare you sin this work of art?!

[@icenine09]

How dare you call this a "work of art". It's more like a studio executive's wet dream.

[@BCRivers]

@@icenine09 No sir, that would be the 2016 version.

[@GraemeWoller]

Yarp, all those things. And, I still loved it. It made THIS Ghostbusters fan happy. 😊

[@Noxfallen]

Started off ridiculously. It being Egon to start off was the whole freaking point. It allows the character and actor to be laid to rest in a perfect way

[@jacktherripper]

Also, the ghost at 17:38 is based on a toy, and a call back to it for people who had it.

[@comixfan]

The original Ghostbusters is my #1 all time favourite movie. With that in mind, I LOVED Afterlife! I thoroughly enjoyed all the throwbacks to the original. McKenna Grace stole every scene she was in with her spot-on portrayal of Egon's granddaughter (yes, even her bad jokes! I loved them!). And the inclusion of CGI Egon had me all choked up at the end. It was a thoroughly enjoyable movie that I feel did the original justice as well as any modern movie could.

[@jacielash5855]

I know you need to put ads in but I really enjoy listening to these to relax and sleep and the ads wake me up

[@JazzyJeffRealTalk]

I’m still waiting for Cinemasins for The Batman movie so I can argue with your sins lol 😂

[@Diveplanwithjim]

1. I love the “Everything Wrong With” Series. 2. This is the first one I’ve ever felt the need to comment on. 3. Because you guys were so wrong about so many of the things in this movie. 4. I understand it’s a funny take on a movie. 5. You still didn’t come close to understanding most of what was happening in this movie. I still love you guys. Damn, though, know you’re plot points!

[@kevkevplays5662]

The key master puts their “key” into the gatekeepers “gate”

[@TallSilentGuy]

5:54 Forget chess pieces that move by themselves. All the crazy shit that happened in 1984 with the Giant Marshmallow Man and Gozer presumably would have been well-documented to the point where the existence of ghosts is common knowledge. You totally undersold Sin #27.

[@jasonsabbath6996]

I missed seeing this movie when it first came out as I was in the hospital for 3 months! I finally got to see it in February and loved it! But I do love when you go after movies I love. Keep it up and I'll keep watching.

[@DOSkywalkR]

4:20 haha, I grew up in the 90's and watched Beethoven 1+2 a LOT on VHS and even I was thinking of the composer when Paul Rudd said it, not the dog 😅

[@daniellanctot6548]

3:40 - No one knew Egon in town? Then who found his corpse in the chair? And after how long? Even Janine was estranged from him and more likely living in another town. Don't tell me the mailman ever walked up to that house with all those signs outside!

[@lasarith2]

I assume that after a certain length of time , not being able to contact him she when to the house and saw him in the chair 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@andrewft31]

No one knew him meaning he was pretty much a recluse focused only on one thing, Gozer, which is very much in line with his character

[@mrcritical6751]

Or the locals noticed the dirt farmer wasn’t coming out of his house so went to check on him

[@brettbaratheon9776]

I mean, that happens in real life all the time. I used to be a medic and we’d get calls for “not seeing a neighbor for a certain time” or “there’s a strange smell coming out of that place”. It is totally plausible.

[@Milner62]

@@brettbaratheon9776, not to mention mail stacking up in the mailbox would send up flags as well with a older person.

[@jacobreyes1978]

Around sin timer 13:00, failed to mention the random guy listening in on their conversation like he’s part of it lol. That part killed me the first time

[@Whyiseveryhandletaken6942]

1:13 the character did have to be Egon because his actor died

[@jon83chewy]

Yeah but that’s why he said it was problematic, because you had to 1: cgi his performance, 2: have no speaking lines for him unless you used archive dialogue, and 3: you’re now selling merch centered around his death and therefore profiting off of it.

[@NuminorTheFool]

@@jon83chewy Important things to note about Harold before his death and after. Yes, he wanted to make and be in the 3rd film before he died. Before putting him in the movie, Jason Reitman contacted his family and asked for permission to add him in to which they said yes because it was fulfilling what Harold would have wanted. As for your 3 points, the CGI was extremely good, Reitman and the CG team managed to get across all of the emotion needed for his scenes and 3 we don't know what kind of contract they have to make the toys in his likeness but I imagine his family is still getting well paid for it and really if you have got a family of your own you know you'd do anything to keep providing for them even when you're gone.

[@brettbaratheon9776]

@@NuminorTheFool some of the best CGI/actor portrayal I’ve ever seen in a movie. Same team that did Sean Young in Blade Runner did this as well. Him not speaking was an excellent decision, made it all the better.

[@jon83chewy]

@@NuminorTheFool yeah Im sure without everyone’s approval it wouldn’t have been done, but even inside the movie they’re making note that they know this isn’t done with just nostalgia and respect in mind. Plus, it’s a different story, but imagine if Marvel got permission to use Chadwick Bosemans likeness, you just know they would keep him as black panther, never take off the mask to minimize cgi for the face, and roll in tons of dough from it. I wonder how people would react to that?

[@NiikkiiCakessTalks]

I love when he gets ready to say discount actor name and realizes it is that person hahahaha

[@CyGea]

As a guy who grew up on a farm...Yes, you hit the field the first time you drive a car underage, without a license, and without permission. No ditches, no trees, or other vehicles, plus plenty of room for doing donuts.

[@sillyandcompany5209]

Ok but the joke phoebe told like Gozar was so damn funny I way dyeing.

[@ShotHappens2007]

I just watched this movie the other day so I’m glad I didn’t have to wait long for this

[@omarreyes7626]

20:00 wait....what's wrong with this? I find it wholesome, also 20:22 no one at the movie theater I went to had a "disgusted facial expresion" quite the contrary in fact.

[@SakuraShirakawa]

Two big things about this ep. 1. Why is ignoring 2016 a sin? I could argue that ignoring 2016 should have removed a sin. Or is it just you throwing your personal feelings into the ep, like you did with the second issue... 2. You treat Egon being in the movie like a travesty, and claim that it was overwhelmingly disliked. From what I have seen, the people that have issues with Egon being in the movie are in the very small minority. I would group them in with the same people that were simply mad that fans got a movie that actually acknowledged them.

[@BENnPAPER]

17:45 is an hommage to a action figure ^^ Bug-eye-Ghost from Kenner 1984

[@LordYeager_55]

I loved this movie. It was one of several on a list I made. The soundtrack was awesome too. There were also only like 4 other people in the theater too.

[@mechanicaldavid4827]

That's 3 fewer than were at the showing of Ghostbusters 2016 I caught - in 2016

[@Craxin01]

@@mechanicaldavid4827 LOL!

[@craftdan]

Could you please copy paste your list? I've always wanted to begin a 'must watch' list for idk.. my kids one day - it would be cool to see somebody else's.

[@LordYeager_55]

@@craftdan These are the movies I have listed to see this year Jurassic World: Dominion, Topgun: Maverick, Doctor strange and the multiverse of madness

[@Tysakasa]

When I went and saw it in theatres, I thought I was going to have the whole venue to myself since when I got my ticket, place was empty, but few minutes before the lights dimmed for the trailers, people started showing up, so there was about a dozen of us. Was a little disappointed by that, I was a little amused at the thought of having the venue to myself XD

[@BatCaveOz]

WiFi is typically connected to a landline. (regular telephone line for ADSL2+, or fixed cable etc.) It is very common to have great WiFi (which is mostly influenced by the distance between your computer or other device and your router) and still have little or no cell signal. Remove that sin.

[@wildpurple005]

Dude, great vid, but the ending was goddam beautiful

[@icenine09]

The only good part about that shit-show of an ending was the subtle callback to Peter shit-talking a ghost to try and distract it like he did to Vigo in GB2.

[@rmannayr2129]

SOMEONE TELL PAUL FEIG, THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A SEQUEL WHILE RESPECTING THE MOVIES THAT CAME BEFORE IT!

[@rosssapp6990]

Yes this movie had a lot of fan service but you can just feel all the heart that was put into it. The performances and effects were good. That ending was really nice too. I throughly enjoyed this movie.

[@Raccoon-Formers]

8:28 I don’t think there is a way to get back up literally every time anyone goes down to that lair they just cut to a different scene and they’re out of the lair with no questions asked

[@TheRealCanadianGeek]

even though i've seen this movie over 10 times, i still get teary eyes seeing the guys again.

[@JomarSullivan]

I'm mad you didn't sin the corn field for coming back again at the end of the movie. That darn corn 🤣🤣

[@Robotoaster]

no that is how cujo starts, with the dog runing around the field.

[@icenine09]

I think the point that is being made is that VHS tapes don't just immediately start the movie when you pop them in and press play. There are several seconds of lead-in tape, plus usually some trailers and ads before the films starts.

[@doro626]

I havent seen a cinema sins video in a long time. this was a really fun one. Really accurate too, except I didnt mind the CGi Egon . Maybe because I watched it on the home screen.

[@pedro3131]

As an add on to the Stranger Kids getting a job joke. How does he go from not having a job in one scene to being trusted with the restaurants inventory system in the next scene?

[@Craxin01]

Small town, Oklahoma, help needed. It's not like he's being entrusted with moving nuclear waste. How much training does it REALLY take to handle some frozen burger patties in a restaurant that is fully shown later to be not the most hygienic? Also, restaurant is a generous name for a greasy-spoon hole-in-the-wall drive-thru almost entirely manned by teenagers goofing off.

[@Craxin01]

21:41 Funny part about this transition is Bob Gunton played the warden in Shawshank but was also the stand-in for Egon Spengler.

[@COEYRN]

I honestly have to say I look forward to Thursdays, and Tuesdays. Your videos just make me laugh, and they take me away from reality for 20 minutes or so, free therapy!!!. Whatever movie your doing, except horrors. My dad realized too late that it was not a good idea for me to watch American Werewolf in London. How to traumatize your kid 101. I think my dad got the brush that night. 🤔

[@davidphillips9726]

Jesus man ... these references you pull out are fantastic.

[@crazyjaybe]

Gotta disagree with you, Jeremy. You sinned a lot of things that I really enjoyed. I grew up on 1984 being played over and over in my house and I gotta say out of all the shlock that's come out over the past couple decades, this movie really nailed it. Even ghost Egon coming back was really nice. I hate CGI taking over everything and I don't care for deep fake but somehow they just got it right with this. Maybe it's time, Jeremy, for you to just chill out a bit and enjoy the movies for what they are.

[@junkonatsumizaka5149]

8:00 - More Time to Care 10:54 - 12 Hour Smoke Break 15:09 - I Forgive 16:28 - Vague Message 16:56- Abandoned Police Station 18:46 - Not a Peep

[@ThenewTchannel]

I loved this movie. Sure, some of the callbacks weren’t very subtle, but it had a lot of heart put into it

[@PyrozPlayground]

Love the flight school addition comment at 10:13! 😆