Everything WRONG With God of War Ragnarök

[@chefbreccia2642]

"Brother, I had a thought -- what if we took a stealthy approach to our next battle?" "No." -1 sin.

[@LegendaryDarkKnight602]

Mimir: Calm down brother. Kratos: No, I will not stay calm.

[@DanialTarki]

⁠@@LegendaryDarkKnight602”Mark, calm down” “NO! I WILL NOT CALM DOWN!”

[@smellsfargo]

Sin removal for the "death can have me" like is well deserved

[@AZ-rl7pg]

27:03

[@ryancarson6962]

5:33 Sin 14: Since Thor actually stopped drinking by this point its pretty obvious that Odin forced him to bring the mead as a formality for Kratos and was supposed to actually drink it to show Kratos that they didn't poison it. That's why Odin chugs it down himself and admonishes Thor for not being fun anymore once he actually comes in.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

more like Odin wants Thor dependant on his alcohol addiction and to be his big drunk muscle, Thor is trying to stop after the death of his sons and Odin is just pushing him back into it because 'thats all he's good for'

[@Firstsurugi]

It took entirely too long for me to figure that out.

[@Stormfin]

I think part of the idea was that Sacred Hospitality in Ancient Greece required a gift as a show of faith, and Kratos mentions missing a lot of things from Greece, like olives, wine and even the weather. Thor arriving to parlay with the gift of booze, even if it's the wrong kind, would have been enough to get Kratos' attention.

[@BirdmanDeuce26]

@@Stormfin I read in another comment section that the scene perfectly sets up Odin and Thor's personalities in less than a minute: * Thor is gigantic, clearly very powerful, and stereotyped to be a brute. But he obliges Sacred Hospitality by bringing a gift and waiting to be invited in, lets Kratos point him where to sit, presents his weapon on the table to show good faith, and pours out the drinks first (only murmuring that Kratos should've told him that Atreus wouldn't be drinking so as to not waste mead). * Odin, in contrast, walks straight in with no invitation once the door is opened, takes a stool to sit at the table on his own accord, and drinks from the cups without so much as asking first. (it's also highly implied he was waiting for his ravens to confirm that Thor had the situation under control and that Kratos wasn't going to immediately jump them)

[@strikingdiscussion5263]

Its not “obvious” as the writers never allude to this again, nor do they elaborate on what’s happening past the point at which it is shown. Thus, the real reason is unknown and there is no definitive answer given for why this occurs. Hence, the audience is left to come up with justifications for the writers. In a well-written story, everything that the audience is made to focus on is important to the story. It should also be made clear why their attention was brought to something. This game introduces things with no justification or foreshadowing and then removes them just as fast, theres little point in reading into scenes like this when they belong to such a messy and careless story.

[@SilverKnights543]

Sin 14: i mean Thor is basically the guard dog. It would make sense for Odin to send Thor to check out a unfamiliar place before coming himself which is why Thor muttered to the crows.

[@DeathSt1x]

Yeah exactly what I was gonna say. That and also that Thor was doing nothing because he was simply brought there to deal with Kratos if he declined Odin’s offer, which he did. Odin’s “Don’t take all day” and Thor’s “About time” suggested that they planned for a confrontation with Kratos

[@drawingpower1]

Isn't that already Huggin and Munnin's job, being Odin's "eyes and ears" unless to determine how hostile kratos was and to be sure he wouldn't attack on sight, then yes.

[@BallingNotTryn]

Talk yo shit bro 🔥🔥✊🏾💯

[@hubbabubba2570]

The thing with Freya is Mimir specifies Odin knew her weaknesses which to me implies he linked her no stabby curse to Baldur's own life, so long as he lived, Freya couldn't take up arms.

[@kylonbell123]

Yea one sin doesn't take away from the fact this Odin is mid imagine being so scrawny an but still somehow being stronger than Kratos it's like muscle is for fun lmao or how Mimir gives us so much Odin lore only for it to be ignored bruh what's the point of playing the first game anymore the story was so good yet they drop it for combat that's still trash smh

[@nolandavis5699]

Sin 5: this was addressed during the ending to game 1 where Mimir states that Freya had reclaimed her warrior spirit which would let her fight once again, she did this quickly because time works differently in different realms with Jotunheim moving time faster in midgard since when Kratos and Atreus came back it had been a few days while when Atreus went to iron wood in this game he was apparently gone for 2 days

[@ryancarson6962]

9:31 Actually Tyr was locked up in *Asgard,* his prison only fell into Niflheim once Asgard was destroyed by Surtur.

[@drawingpower1]

Sorry. I'm confused. If Tyr was locked up in Asgard why did the giants predict that Tyr was in the land of the dwarves,or did they know interpreting it wrongly was the right move? Someone is playing 4-D chess

[@drethom087]

@@drawingpower1 it does sound dumb, but then again, 50% of the game is about a lie ridden prophecy lol. So even though I disagree, it isn’t exactly out of left field

[@Tr_1391]

@@drawingpower1 the prophecy showed someone that looked like Tyr locked up in the mine's of svartelheim, and there was.

[@Yougotcaged102]

@@drawingpower1 As Mimir said, prophecy details are scarce. When the giants saw a vision of Tyr in Svartélheim, they likely only saw the image of Tyr trapped somewhere in the mines. They likely did not know it wasn't actually Tyr

[@justaayan2]

Wait, I'm pretty sure that tyr was in svartelheim but when kratos declined the peace offer, odin went there and switched himself with the actual tyr. You can see the raven feathers when you go back there. That's why Dubrlin gave directions to the fake tyr, because that's where tyr was kept originally.

[@zachhatseras3847]

Sin 96 26:30 it was said in the first game that kratos made two identical knives on the day Atreus was born, so the fact that kratos picks up an identical knife is actually a really good piece of continuity.

[@wajster2959]

Didn’t Atreus lose the knife Faye gave him in the previous game

[@kyyoru]

@@wajster2959 Yep, there was Faye's knife that was destroyed and two others, one Kratos' and the other Atreus's when he was older/wiser

[@ruvivenati8502]

It's also a very nuanced scene as Atreus holds the mask given by Odin and the knife given by Kratos. He glances at it for a second like it reminds him of his father then puts it down symbolising how he's forgetting him and his teachings. On the other hand Kratos picks up the identical knife and glances at it showing how he reminisces about the simpler time when he gave the knife to Atreus and also how much he misses him. Even the slow music in that scene adds so much depth. Scenes like those are why I think GoW is a masterpiece in storytelling.

[@Skylingale]

@@ruvivenati8502 'Symboling how Atreus was forgetting his father and his teachings'' Im sorry but what exactly are you smoking? That literally never happened.

[@Imoverit66]

Did Kratos make an identical table also?

[@ruvivenati8502]

Around 40-50 of the sins can be removed if you pay attention to the filler dialogues in both games.

[@badoosh6339]

Lol, that’s so true 😂

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

These videos are fairly satirical, but alot of these points ARE kinda stupid....

[@Shayne10998]

I stopped counting after i noticed 15 sins that can be removed these videos are like this on purpose

[@markbade565]

He'd probably point out that needing to listen to filler dialogue to get plot points is a sin in itself. I still find his videos very amusing which is why i always watch, but in no way do i take them seriously or give them any merit as a critique or review.

[@onyxserenitatem7636]

That’s how these videos go. I believe the video for NieR automata was one of the worst offenders for this, where half the points were answered in game if you just pay attention

[@Kardiack8Arrest]

Sin 151: Kratos was a general in the Spartan Army. How is him giving a speech before war unexpected?

[@DCBN76]

Exactly my thought lol

[@elmeruldal7929]

Cause he knows nothing

[@jlev1028]

@@elmeruldal7929 Who? Dartigan or Kratos?

[@elmeruldal7929]

@@jlev1028 Dartigan

[@warrenwoodley2708]

Don't remember any flash backs with any memorable speeches and the rampage days were either grunt angrily or murder something or them all.

[@moret25]

6:03 Agreed. In fact: it seems like most of the Norse Gods behaved like a Mafia boss, rather than having the " Thou shalt not disrespect our holy domain!" attitude the Greek Pantheon had

[@tonyc8258]

This was to make them more distinct and different If they acted the same as Zeus and the others, they wouldn’t be very interesting and the game wouldn’t be quite different

[@frogglen6350]

To be fair, Zeus and the other Greek gods are very boring antagonist. They have cool boss fights but never do or say anything interesting

[@greyworld6242]

“Power does not need to flaunt.”

[@realamericannegro977]

This whole new series falls because they try to hard to make characters relatable.

[@miminoran8948]

@@realamericannegro977 nah I found the old ones relatable

[@packlesswolf1]

You actually free the Real Tyr in the prison near the ravens tree. Then I kept seeing him pop up around different realms and kept saying " I wish to be alone"

[@TrigonAZR]

Yeah, kind of a bummer. Real Tyr turned out to be as uninteresting as the fake one

[@ericthomas6726]

Sindri literally helped Atreus search Midgard using the realm between realms. Plus, taking note of the beginning, Kratos giving Atreus space long enough to hunt or spend time with the wolves isn't a stretch.

[@gradymccormick2048]

I was half expecting you to sin all of the flashbacks of Faye. Because in your last video you removed sins because they did not use any flashbacks of Faye. I will say the voice actors did a phenomenal job with this game especially the voice actors of Odin and Heimdall. Heimdall's jerk scumbag personality was really captivating especially when you had to fight him. Kudos to the voice actors

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I compare Faye's face to Moriarty from the Sherlock Holmes movies with Robert Downey Jr. In the first SH movie you never see his face, but you get his name by the end. Then in the second movie, his first scene is a face reveal. Since Holmes learned his name, he was able to learn who he was and what he looked like, so therefore the audience immediately gets a good look at him. It works similarly in Ragnorok. You never see Faye in GoW 2018 because you don't know her true identity as a giant. But in the sequel, the player knows her story, so they get a pass to see her.

[@forgotten4146]

I wouldnt say good voice acting. Its Cool but not good

[@adultishgambino1]

I mean Thor pours two because one is for Atreus and then Kratos stops him from drinking which Thor says I wish you had told me before I poured……

[@shinobipizza]

For the last sin, it is worth noting that God of War 1 was intended to be a one and done game. Because of its success, it was turned into a franchise.

[@fieryrebirth]

Tbh, a lot of successful games/movies with stories that are meant to be one-offs end up becoming franchises. It sucks being a passionate writer in the industry, because the amount of pressure that is laid at your writing table when the game you worked on sells gangbusters and gets the greedy executives' attention. They end up pushing you to work on the sequel's story and is why a lot of sequel stories pale to the predecessor. "Unnecessary sequel syndrome" is a very much a thing.

[@marcusclark1339]

all the more reason they should of stop and like now are just dragging a corpse along now

[@TonyRedgrave-of9od]

@@fieryrebirth Wise words. People just don't respect games for the plot anymore, all they see is sales numbers.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@marcusclark1339 No

[@thedude9330]

Dont care make more

[@robertcanter4045]

You forgot to sin just how easy it is to get lost in Vanaheim, especially when you're looking for the dragur hole in the abandoned village. Even if you successfully get there, you will spend hours running around in circles trying to get back out even with the assistance of the map, because this hole is inconveniently nowhere near a travel gate. I did find the way out eventually, but first I had to load a previous save point and take notes on how I got there to begin with. If you follow the compass, you'll just keep running in circles.

[@choxhicken28]

And the compass points to a dead end

[@StarkEpiphany]

I actually gave up trying to complete that realm because of this. The place is neat to explore but a pain to try an complete everything.

[@austinbowles2886]

Sin #33 can be countered. Odin's ravens are constantly providing him with information that allows him to stay close behind if not head of Kratos and Atreus in a lot of instances

[@TheSofkujepanen]

Exactly. Literally the first raven you can kill is immediately after you arrive in svartalheim through the gate, like just a few meters away from you. So odin knew they had arrived there immediately

[@Carlisho]

For sin #13, Atreus accidentaly took down one of the trees marked for the protection spell while he was a bear Sin #17, Kratos declined because Odin said he would even kill Freya for him so he is not bothered by anyone, Kratos does not want Freya to die, thats why he killed Baldur.

[@drawingpower1]

Sin#13 After fighting Atreus in bear form, Atreus remakes the spell on a different tree. Thats what he meant. A counter to Thor coming would be that Fimbulwinter had weakened the spells magic.

[@pepela2219]

we found the well actually ... sony fanboy

[@Kinos141]

Seems like Kratos has a thing for Freya... for helping boi. Yeah, that's it.

[@Carlisho]

@@drawingpower1 oh you are right, completely forgot

[@65firered]

Also, Kratos knows Odin can't be trusted.

[@hffj11]

The reveal that Tyr was actually Odin wasnt foreshadowed too much, but I always suspected Tyr was doing something behind their backs 1 - The first fight between Atreus and Kratos is triggered by Tyr, he said something about prophecy and Jotnar Champion that led them to argue 2 - When Freya arrives at Sindris house, Tyr kinda reminds her that Kratos was the one who killed her son. He says that he feels sorry for something terrible happening to her son Also, Tyr called Freya Frigg (It was how Odin called her, but it can pass as her Aesir/Asgardian name), and seconds before the reveal, he calls Atreus Loki

[@ankayambitious]

And in the subtitles the fake-Týr is written "Tyr", but when the characters refer to him as the true one, it's written correctly.

[@VexdinLord]

I'd say a lot of his lines make more sense with the knowledge that he is Odin. When he finds out the prophecy he was told was a lie, you can tell Odin sort of breaks character for a few moments out of shock, before having to be reminded that he's pretending to be Tyr. Not too much foreshadowing, but it makes all of his dialogue as Tyr feel like they were very subtly hinting the twist since the beginning.

[@hffj11]

@@VexdinLord Honestly this is the right way to do a plot twist. It''s when you go back to some scenes and says "oh, so that's why he said this", meanwhile doing it in a way that the player/viewer doesn't crack the code.

[@saadiyakhan4025]

Sin 91 and Sin 117: It was explained in the previous game and in the 2018 game that all the realms are on top of each other. The mask glows to indicate the direction but the plane could be completely different.

[@travisvanalst4698]

According to the cloth map of Yggdrasil…Helheim and Niflheim aren’t on top of each other.

[@theresnothinghere1745]

That is some of the most hackjob reasoning I've seen. Nothing implies the mask work like that at all, its merely reasoning after the fact to excuse the scene.

[@joefranklin129]

I’m convinced they had Heimdall show up with an apple simply to have Dartigan reference it in a sins video

[@nivea4x252]

Don’t forget GNC

[@pedroferreira8033]

i really like the theory that the wound on thor's gut from the axe didn't heal because in the first game after the first encounter with Jormungandr the axe was imbued with it's poison

[@kelomwamukonda330]

It’s not really a theory that’s the literal reason. Either that or the game devs put in 2 useless details that connect by coincidence?

[@Nephilim1717]

Fun fact, Jormmagers poison is called etri, the word etri is also what the Norse called frost bite. So either Santa Monica got luck or somebody know their stuff.

[@avaritia6766]

@@kelomwamukonda330 You can see the status message of "Etir imbued" in GOW 2018 when Kratos threw the axe into the Lake of 9

[@SheolSormani]

Odin's plan with his first appearence make a lot of sense: what can you do to make sure that Atreus really really want to find Tyr, with Kratos helping him? Make it sounds like you're really afraid of him.

[@ITheIM7IOmegaI]

Yeah odin was definitely afraid of kratos. So much that he needed to make a peace treaty with him. Didn't work so he needed to get ahead of the game and become Tyr. The part when he tells autreus to not go to asgard is clever since it makes atreus think he's all alone and get him angry enough to leave kratos

[@superlucci]

No it doesnt. Because Odin literally does nothing with being disguised as Tyr until he sperges out kills Brok and ruins anything he could've planned. Also he didnt even need to disguise as Tyr, Atreus clearly was looking for a way to prevent his fathers death, which Odin could've used as a reason to convince him to go to Asgard

[@MadaraUchiha-ly8wr]

Well the developers critical plot was for Broke to die, so that was a twist in my head.

[@gundamcollector77]

And then he impersonated Tyr and Gained what by doing so? He learned Kratos entire plan and then proceeded to do nothing about it?

[@ITheIM7IOmegaI]

@gundamcollector77 let's go over from the beginning. Odin is afraid of kratos and learns of atreus searching for tyr which is a conspiracy against him. He offers peace to kratos but is denied. By that, he assumes kratos will look for tyr and has Thor beat him up while he tries to tell atreus to come to midgard (if he takes him, kratos will go to war). Odin realises that they'll look for tyr so he ends their search early by pretending to be tyr, which is when he learns groas true prophecy. He as Tyr tries to convince everyone that ragnarok is not the way so he can avert his own fate but can't get rid of kratos. He senses the tension between loki and kratos and subtlety allows their rift to grow so atreus can help odin with the mask. By then, odins job as tyr is to keep playing the demoraliser of ragnarok until atreus completes the mask (since Odin is afraid of what happens to gods after death). Of course, the mask is finished but thor fucks it up and so he plays along with tyr accepting his fate and slips up by rushing to his plan to go to asgard but brok catches it.

[@Greil9]

7:02 That one actually does have an answer, but only if you read tyhe Codex entry for Odin. There Kratos states that he would have possibly taken the deal, but when Odin threatened Freya he immediately knew he would not take the deal. I know he said he would "deal with his ex-wife", but knowing the kind fo guy Odin is that could only mean something very much not good for her.

[@sirwillgill2937]

" Then peace it is. I'll leash my boi but leave Fraya out of this." Roll credits

[@lukaszzylik4437]

@Sir Will Gill no, the codex says that he didn't take the deal because of threat to Freya AND because he trusts Mimir and his council. It even says he trusts Mimir so much that he considers him a true brother and Mimir tells him not to trust a word Odin says both throughout the last game and moments before he said no. And if you think he should have just accepted Odins offer anyways and lie about his intentions, Kratos explains to Freya during a boat ride in Vanaheim that he hates liars and people who don't speak true. And if you think Kratos is a hypocrite for hating liars while having lied to his son about their true nature that is also a huge plot point in the game.

[@superlucci]

@@lukaszzylik4437 No he specifically declines it because Odin included Freyas death. The only thing Kratos says is "If I didnt have better counsel" Then he explains what his reason why which was Freya. Kratos is already a liar. He lied during GOW 2 to convince Zeus to come down so he could sneak attack him. Kratos denying Odins peace offering is peak stupidity when he could've just said no to including Freya

[@uvie_egua]

@@sirwillgill2937 yup, simple and short

[@sirwillgill2937]

@@lukaszzylik4437 the codex is them realizing they wrote some dumb s*** and going back to fix it

[@JKBlackClover]

It was stated Freya was working to break all of the curses on her and just only needed help with the last one.

[@elviraweekes3906]

This is is the problem that I have, with sin channels because. They don’t even listen to the simplest of dialogue that you. Can hear even though you’re just going, through the story and not doing side quest.

[@JKBlackClover]

@@elviraweekes3906 I don’t think there’s anything wrong with him forgetting a couple details. It’s understandable that not everyone is going to remember every detail of a story. I was just letting him know he missed one. Otherwise he did a great job analyzing the story.

[@Sicruett]

@@JKBlackClover I do think that there’s a problem here though. These videos are supposed to point out flaws in a video game by adding +1 sin whenever one happens. If you keep on making mistakes, especially when it’s obvious there’s no flaw somewhere, it makes the thing that’s being critiqued look worse.

[@ccscrew7728]

​@@JKBlackCloverThere's about 10 valid sins at best in the clusterfuck of a video, he didn't do a great job analysing shit, he left out details and failed to comprehend anything that wasn't spelled out for him.

[@johndoe5940]

@@JKBlackClover missing details isn’t really excusable when literally the whole entire concept of the channel is critiquing details.

[@derteesippings9411]

Durlin's map always confused me cuz It either implies he knew Odin was pretending to be Tyr and was leading Kratos and Atreus down the wrong path on purpose, OR Odin somehow let it slip that Tyr was in the mines within earshot of Durlin so that his plan can work. Considering Durlin went to Brok's funeral, it's odd that he doesn't blame himself for aiding in putting Odin in Sindri's house

[@2xRainb0w]

It’s as simple as him wanting to help fayes family cause they asked

[@Aaron-ze1io]

@@2xRainb0w that doesn't answer how he knew, and if he knew it was Odin then that's not exactly helping her family is it.

[@spudderzgaming]

When kratos and atreus first meet durlin, they didn't even mention who they were searching for. They simply just say 'a prisoner of odins'. I'd assume durlin just knows he placed prisoners in the mines

[@TheSofkujepanen]

I’m pretty certain Durlin knew of a prisoner of Odin’s being there, he probably heard it straight from odin in some subtle way, like odin hinting or saying there’s something important to him there since Durlin was kinda under Odin’s power by then. And Odin knew the very second Kratos and Atreus had arrived in svartalheim, since there was a raven immediately after the mystic gateway. And Odin would guess they would seek help from Durlin so he told Durlin something about a prisoner, knowing he would “betray” him immediately by telling Kratos and Atreus about it. So Durlin probably didn’t know who the prisoner specifically was, just that there was a prisoner there.

[@TickeyWickey4u]

Or that Durlin was actually Odin

[@pretends2know]

46:24 For the next one, I would prefer A Plague's Tale because they shoved Callisto Protocol's ending into DLC for some reason, and I would rather you sin all of it with that knowledge rather than cut it off there.

[@Erricane]

If you remember what Freya said about the Phantoms during the quest for the Norns, all that power that was depleted by Fimbulwinter went into them. That's why there were only Frost and Flame Phantoms. They were originally powers of your upgraded Axe and Blades which manifested themselves into those serpent-like creatures.

[@Praisestothemosthigh369]

Dude !!!

[@animationcity8178]

There should also have been an electric one, with Atreus’ bow

[@Erricane]

@@animationcity8178 The big difference between Atreus and Kratos' weapons are the upgrade materials. Atreus needs different steel to upgrade the bow while Kratos needs specific materials for the Axe and Blades. The Frozen and Chaos Flame are untouchable items after all.

[@animationcity8178]

@@Erricane I meant the Dragon Tooth (and maybe light of Alfheim)

[@Erricane]

@@animationcity8178 I think it's different because Atreus has to say the words in order for them to activate. Like canonically speaking, he doesn't shoot elemental arrows willy-nilly. But rather he has to say the spell for it to activate. Like Ljósta, Þruma, Skjálfa and Auka. Kratos just somehow activates the ice and flame without saying anything.

[@gokujinkazama9846]

You forgot a Sin. The Frozen Lightning in Vanahiem. Mimir said in 2018. Thor was Angry that he could not find Faye to challenge her.

[@danielcharles3553]

That's true! Although he could have been so drunk that he forgot. In the first fight with you after the frozen lightning he does say " feels familiar" Which means that he doesn't fully remember fighting someone with that Axe. I didn't like that section of the crater, I feel that it cheapens our first fight with Thor. Furthermore, our last fight was even less epic with him.... No frozen lightning, no crater made in Asgard, not felt throughout the whole 9 Realms.... Disappointed by the scale

[@travisvanalst4698]

Bruh good call.

[@TaskForce-ql3bx]

@@danielcharles3553 that might come down to the limitations of the location. They couldn’t really do much with Asgard since it was already ruined. Going wider they would have to have a full body Ragnarok doing stuff in the distance with Freyr and Freya having to keep it busy. It was likely done to save time/money since the sequence could get very complicated. Just like how they literally Yeeted Thrud away from the fight.

[@julian5889]

that could've been after that encounter, methinks she started hiding in the woods after that fight and her failed rebellion, then she met kratos and they both lived hiding with her seeing a new and better future for all the realms in kratos

[@cameronmyers8005]

For the freya not being able to attack anybody thing, it was revealed in a hidden dialogue at the end of the last game that she asked mimir where she could find her Valkyrie wings, her warrior spirit 3:47

[@Caesar__99]

also, they're in Midgard so she's not breaking any rules

[@cameronmyers8005]

Yeah, I was actually confused why he mentioned that part. She was in Midgard, why would that part of the spell matter at all?

[@Caesar__99]

@@cameronmyers8005 the map is expansive at times ,maybe it seemed like she was somewhere else to him.

[@travisvanalst4698]

Regardless of the throwaway line, Odin saw to it that she could not have the will to fight. So she just somehow easily got it back? That’s a huge plot point for a goddess wanting revenge. The trip to Vanaheim should have been about retrieving her wings and her spirit. That would have made a much more impactful scene of her forgiving Kratos than the one we got.

[@cameronmyers8005]

@@travisvanalst4698 maybe he planned the deal with Kratos when he stole her warrior spirit, and allowed her to easily get her warrior spirit back as to try and sweeten the deal with Kratos?

[@saadiyakhan4025]

Sin 17: Kratos’ reasoning for not accepting Odin’s deal is explained in his Journal. Its because he respects Freya too much and even though she was their enemy then, it would’ve been unacceptable for Kratos to ally with her abusive ex husband.

[@mjhernandez984]

On the other hand, he also doesn't like taking orders from God's anymore

[@llTheIsoGodll]

Bro half of them sins have a reasoning in the codex

[@beentheredonethat5908]

@alexencu9371 Thank you! I've played this series for a very longtime, and if he used lore and the material 3/4 would be gone lol.

[@beentheredonethat5908]

There are MANY reasons that he didn't accept the deal. 1 Odin is god, he doesn't trust gods, 2 he has to much respect to deal with the ex husband of a friend, 3 despite him not wanting to do any of this he trusts his son but fears his son being harmed or following prophecy to his own death

[@tzitzitzitzi1584]

He also doesn't trust Odin to deal with Freya. He doesn't want her to get hurt and even protects her from Bear-Atreus and says "she used to be our friend" so Odin taking "care" of his problem isn't actually helping. For all Kratos knows, he could try to kill her.

[@Lavolpeengreece]

The first sin is a hell of a ramble

[@shadowthehedgehog181]

A lot of these "sin" videos deserve sins themselves

[@mariokarter13]

The first sin is always his general thoughts on the game as a whole, the rest get into specifics.

[@Lavolpeengreece]

@@mariokarter13 I know but this time it went on longer than the jotunheim section of the game

[@seige8621]

@@Lavolpeengreece should he skin things that are not sins? Remember observations, complaints of things happening in the games are not sings

[@handsomesquidward5160]

Cardinal sin

[@Brian-tn4cd]

Kinda sad you didn't show some of the post end stuff like Brokk's funeral or comment that Mimir was Puck from Midsummer's nights, and that there's dialogue that confirms he is in fact Scottish

[@johndoe5940]

Sad because? How is any of that relevant in an “everything wrong with” video? What was wrong about broks funeral? What was wrong about not mentioning mimirs accent? I’m genuinely curious bc this has 40 upvotes for some odd reason. What are the sins?

[@zwergz1122]

@@johndoe5940 could have earned sins off

[@Omega31716]

The are called likes Redditor

[@stellardiscord610]

Good fucking god that intro really went on

[@Fire1nRain]

9:35 The real Tyr was not imprisoned in Niflheim, it's Asgard. The prison crashed to NiflHeim after Asgard fall apart

[@FoxSinBan-54682]

Sin 17- In the Codex, Kratos said that he was tempted to take Odin's deal. But agreeing to team up with Freya's ex-husband against her was unacceptable to him. Also he trusted Mimir's counsel

[@BoleDaPole]

Having important story details hidden in a codex, let alone being lazy enough to include a codex itself deserves two extra sins. Ding ding.

[@midoriyaweed5508]

@@BoleDaPole would you rather Kratos explain his every decision in detail instead? Lazy criticism. Ding

[@jlev1028]

@@BoleDaPole You can still infer the reason Kratos rejected the deal given Odin disrespecting rules of hospitality and him acting like an amoral sociopath.

[@FoxSinBan-54682]

@@BoleDaPole I couldn't disagree more if I tried. Codexes and Journals are a great way to find out what the character's thinking. Especially a quiet person like Kratos(Arthur from RDR2). The only thing lazy is not taking the time to read it, especially when a big-ass "Codex Entry Added" Icon appears on the screen every 10 minutes

[@superlucci]

@@FoxSinBan-54682 Having a character in a cutscene reject an offer without explaining shit makes every other character in the cutscene look like an idiot for not even attempting to ask "Well why not? Whats wrong with the offer?" There is a reason they did that, so they wouldnt have to worry about Odin making a counteroffer or anything so they could move the plot along, even though its absolutely retarded reasoning for the characters to do so

[@blueripper1558]

Tyr wasn't in niflheim yet, only after Ragnarok when chunks of Asgard is scattered through the realms that he ends up there

[@joshyboy9804]

[14:17] The talking squirrel is known as a Ratatoskr; a kind of messenger creature for the Norse gods.

[@ch33zybreadtrellie4]

Odin could be warning him to stop looking for tyr because of the problems it could cause while on the search. Its like people looking things but only to find nothing but problems. That could be a reason someone would tell someone not to search

[@Greil9]

I saw the reason to be different. Spoilers ahead, but if you're watching this you'd know why. Since Odin planned to impersonate Tyr to get into the inner circle of Kratos to spy on their actions, it's a cunning strategy to lead them onto searching for Tyr by making it seem like he really doesn't want them doing it. He says "don't look for Tyr anymore", Atreus goes "if he doesn't want us to find Tyr, he must still be alive and a threat to his plans". Boom, he planted the idea into their heads and let them think they thought of freeing Tyr themselves.

[@wyattfrye8262]

Sin 16: “if he tells you snow is white, he’s lying”. That’s pretty much what we were told in the last game as well. Odin lies every chance he gets and is not to be trusted. In the 3 years of winter Odin has been spying on them and discovered how good Atreus is with translating languages and what he’s searching for and how he alone is able to access the shires secret compartment and well… we see his plan in action

[@Greil9]

37:07 Actually while I did think of that myself, you should also remember that Odin said that Garm's rampage and tearing through realms had not affected Asgard. Therefore it is safe to assume that whatever Odin did to prevent realm travel to Asgard is what kept Garm out, and therefore would also prevent Fenrir from just tearing a hole in it. Yes he did it at the end of game, but only after Gjallarhorn busted open all the gates between realms at once.

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Also considering Angrboda explains it off as “giant stuff” I think it’s also likely that she had something to do with affecting where the realm tear ended up, otherwise it would be a 1 in a trillion chance for Garm/Fenrir to open a tear at the right place. Some kind of animal controlling magic or something like that

[@aikalabe7719]

-freya recovers her valkyrie wings and her "warrior spirit" after kratos defeats the valkyrie in the 1st game, mimir informs you. -sending in thor first made plenty of sense. If kratos reacted with immediate hostility, odin's negotiation strategy would change. -you seem to be taking a lot of what odin does at face value. He may have brought up tyr and made an obvious lie about him being dead so that atreus would become convinced that finding tyr was the best way forward. Odin could then disguise himself as tyr and infiltrate their resistance. -thor was under strict orders not to kill kratos in their first fight. He actually does appear to KO him but then uses mjolnir to revive him.

[@DrippleDragon]

But doesn’t that mean she went back to Odin since he took her warrior spirit and wings??

[@hassanawdi3793]

​​@@DrippleDragone was wrong cause when kratos and arteus left mimir to go to spread faye's ashes Freya came and asked mimir where odin hid them

[@chaunceybillups4287]

Sin 131: Being in possession of Loki’s marble allows Angrboda to know where he is at all times. Which is why she gives him her marble at the end of the game.

[@mariokarter13]

The problem with the Odin twist is the 20 hours of gameplay before it. Because suddenly you're confronted with the fact that nothing was actually driving the plot until this point, it was all just busywork.

[@MyNegroAcademia]

Exactly

[@gamechairphilosopher950]

Couldn’t that be said of most twists in narratives? Like isn’t that the point? Just because a change in the direction of a story undermines the previous actions of a protagonist, does not mean that those actions didn’t have a purpose in their time. There was something driving the plot. Kratos and Atreus had established and clear motivations which drove the plot forward. The fact that the Odin reveal showed most of those efforts to be in vain, they still had the lessons learned, the allies, and the gear (including key story items), they gained along the way. Ultimately Odin did have to die, and had Kratos and Atreus just rushed off to fight him instead of doing all that “busy work”, it would have went much worse than it did, without everything they learned/gained along the way.

[@mariokarter13]

​​@@gamechairphilosopher950 I'm saying there's no clear objective or urgency. Odin's goal is that he wants the mask, but that's not urgent because he's wanted it for YEARS. Kratos and Atreus want to prevent the events of the prophecy, but it's too vague to quantify what "progress" even looks like. There's so little urgency that there was a several year long timeskip between games and nothing of consequence happened for either faction. It's only after the twist when you finally have clearly defined stakes and an objective that you realize you've just been aimlessly meandering the nine realms until the third act.

[@shafiksayegh2966]

this is what pisses me off about this game. We spend 90% of the game dicking around trying to stop ragnarok but then the twist happens in the last hour and everything we'd done so far gets thrown out the window. Even the part with atreus breaking the mask felt so flat because at no point did I ever believe he would side with odin in that instance

[@frogglen6350]

I mean. By that logic,all god of war is busy work. Heck, God of War 2 is just kratos fighting on a random island. And all of God of War 1 and chains of olympus is just kratos doing busy work for Athena. GoW 1 specifically goes downhill narrative wise, once you enter pandoras temple. Which is 80% of the game

[@PaulSA]

Sin 10: atreus burried the body before going in that cave. You can see the grave on the right hand side

[@Thunder_Roy]

5:23 Atreus broke the stave as a bear. They literally told Kratos it was busted

[@luispresuel3499]

Yeah, and they fixed before Thor arrived. It's stated later that those protection trees are useless to prevent Odin to appear near their house

[@Thunder_Roy]

@@luispresuel3499yeah, but Odin already knew where they lived. Remember Baldur

[@Xenocrusher]

Angrbodas explanation is that giants can travel the utangard, which is Ymir’s dreams. So dream teleportation

[@johnleonard9102]

Which is cheap and sloppy writing. The boy can suddenly teleport somewhere just because he really wants to be there. This is Rey Palpatine levels of bad writing.

[@TheKinglaharl]

Freya mentioned breaking the curses due to fimbulwinter weakening them. In fact there's a whole main story quest about breaking the last curse because it was the only one left that wasn't weakened by Fimbulwinter Of course Odin knows what the protagonists are up too. He has Ravens everywhere Watching you and reporting back to him. There's a whole quest about killing those Ravens He can't tell Kratos because anyone discussing it could lead to the secret getting out. Which worked out since Tyr was Odin. time in Helheim is a lot slower. So that's atleast one other realm where time works differently The tree with the "skinny branch" likely worn down by Fimbulwinter after hanging himself

[@nahte123456]

He said he considers Fimbulwinter to be a bad excuse, he outright said that. I get if you don't agree with the complaint but he was very clear on it. Also Atreus had plenty of chances to tell Kratos aline, not like Kratos is big on spilling secrets, especially to Tyr.

[@TheKinglaharl]

@@nahte123456 I get that he doesn't like Fimbulwinter as the reason. But that doesn't mean they offered no explanation on some of these things. Not liking it doesn't mean it's not there

[@nahte123456]

@@TheKinglaharl and he never said there isn't an explanation, just that he found it to be a cop out.

[@soupgirl1871]

@@nahte123456 thing is, Fimbulwinter doing that isn't a plot made by the game

[@nahte123456]

@@soupgirl1871 You're point being? No one said it was so I have no idea what you're getting at.

[@TotalWar01]

A couple of the sins you put for Odin telling certain things to Atreus I simply put down to what Mimir and Freya warned - Odin manipulates and lies. I quote Mimir: "If he tells you the snow is white it's a lie" So it makes sense that he's bullshitting Atreus.

[@johndoe5940]

Bro finish the game. Atreus literally asks mimir why stories he told about Odin have some different details than odins version and mimir gives him a direct answer

[@SHRADIS]

As soon as I saw Hiemdall eating the apple during my play through I automatically thought of this channel and how you would comment on it

[@Baytuh]

My favorite thing about sin videos on peoples favorite games is how defensive they get lol. Just chill and relax and watch some entertaining content.

[@TheScreamingCat01]

True but this video has so many things that can easily be debunked/disproved

[@Kinos141]

Sin #103: The fates and the Norns are not the same. The Fates wove people's lives. The Norns only read them.

[@presenttooth6614]

this video is full of sins that are easily explained by playing and listening to both games. Just had to pad the video to get out new game content. I like his videos but this one isn't very good on a lot of its points.

[@daltontherush94]

I will state that during a second playthrough of this game you can clearly see "Tyr" gaslighting and manipulating conversations between kratos and atreus in order to drive atreus to him

[@ITheIM7IOmegaI]

Yeah if he agreed that atreus should go to asgard and everyone agreed, atreus would've been a spy whereas if he was "hated" by everyone, he'd be willing to work for odin

[@johndoe5940]

Of course you notice AFTER playing the game and finishing the story. Does that need to be stated? Are you proud or something that the twist didn’t surprise you twice?

[@65firered]

Sin 103: The Sisters of Fate control fate, the Norns predict it. The previous sin already covered that. Sin 114: That's a contribution, they're acknowledging Odin has a way around it and Mimir didn't know. This isn't a retcon, it's a reveal. Sin 129: There's a few things he could eat and hunt... Like all the enemies we've been fighting throughout the game. Sin 88: Odin is warning Atreus that there is a cost. There was no retcon, he still lost his eye because of Mimir, not the rift.

[@xylynthian753]

It's crazy how many people forget that Odin constantly lies

[@tbc1880]

1st sin reeks of: I didn't understand old Kratos the same way some people didn't understand how flawed Dante was until DMC5 highlighted them for its main narrative.

[@crypto40]

My biggest pet peave was the war. I felt like the battle really wasn’t focused on. Ya ya I get we were coming to the climax and probably had a time crunch but think about the potential we could of had, I mean in 2018 all we hear is Thor and the snakes legendary battle. How nice would it have been to see them fight in the backround or have little cutscenes that because of there battle opens up pathways you can go through during your pursuit to Odin. There should have been more danger with the main characters instead of sending them off screen to help. I felt like the Odin felt was really lackluster tbh and The wasted potential that was within could have been even better and dramatic rather than a really crappy 3 on 1 with a square button and Odin ranting. To me his fight was the easiest in the entire game and I played on hard but that’s just me. This is my opinion but I rather had them end the game preparing the war while finding some weakness for Odin then set up the next game to focus on the war and post war rather than to me it took me 48 min to complete the entire war segment including the Odin fight. It sucks after 2018 final fight was compared to this. Another issue was ragnorok itself, after going and finding him and he really didn’t do anything but stand there in that one scenes and just swing we never see him move or have a bigger impact considering to atreious how important he is to win the war But other than that the game really was amazing. My only gripe really is how they handled the war final cutscene and Odin, at first I was excited to play and see more Odin but as the game went it I really couldn’t stand him and could care less idk if it’s the whole mask thing or just the way they made the character go from a warning in the beginning of the game to someone just spewing knowledge and wisdom searching. I also like how after finishing this KZbin video his sins are exactly what I’m pointing out lol and to note I typed this before I finished the video. And definitely the way this game ended were probably gonna get a Loki spin-off while we wait for the 3rd game

[@breekat3785]

Dont forget their only casualty was Freyr dying to Surtur. They made ragnarok just for him to work against the group. It literally made no sense to the plot at all

[@Aryanbabak]

6:00 I really loved how odin was portrayed. a tyrant king and a dictator who has everything and everyone in control, through manipulation or curses and also the fact that he doesn’t have zeus like corny dialogues and speaks like how a real medieval viking king would.

[@xylynthian753]

To be fair, nearly every game had corny dialogue back in the PS2 era. Games didn't take themselves as seriously and try to be movies.

[@aragornarathorn3299]

I doubt real medieval viking kings talked in an American accent.

[@burnerburner4074]

@@aragornarathorn3299 nor call baldur his closer.

[@Bolt_BDA]

26:18 On God of War 2018 Kratos made two knifes combining the metals of his land with midgard's own metal making two knifes, one for Atreus and one for himself, that's why the transition shows the same knife, it's like different sides of the same apple kind of deal

[@acuyra]

7:00 the impression I got was the Odin wants Atreus and Kratos to seek Tyr out. I’d bet Tyr actually was where they found him, and he switched Tyr out at the last second, knowing they would find him eventually. Showing up was just a way to get them moving.

[@OoOo-cb6xu]

Yeah, like when first time go meet raeb when player cross the bridge you can see odin on the bridge watch kratos and atreus

[@jahmedgilani4043]

@@OoOo-cb6xu you have a clip of that? Nice easter eggg

[@OoOo-cb6xu]

@@jahmedgilani4043 nah the dev say that in ign interview

[@darrickbeitinger7664]

18:20 they do mention when you go to Helheim in the first game that time moves differently in each realm

[@johndoe5940]

Also it’s EXPLICITLY stated at the end of the 2018 game that time DOES move faster in jotunheim. After dumping the ashes they retrieve mimir from the dwarves and he straight up says that more time has passed. They go to jotunheim right after killing baldr and there’s just a light snowfall, they’re in jotunheim for a few minutes, when they leave and get back to midguard the light snowfall has turned off into full on fimbulwinter and everything is completely frozen over bc more time has passed than the few minutes they spent in jotunheim. How they manage to half ass an already easy af job is annoying bad shit. All the “everything wrong with” type channels are just clickbait tbh.

[@presenttooth6614]

@Top Lobster She full giant. We have no good comprehension of how they age

[@rafapanzer3276]

You forgot the schizofrenic moment of kratos saying sacrifice everything to ragnarok and his change of plans after his wife´s son said there are innocents and put a sad face

[@ThePresidentofMars]

The ethical flip flopping they both do pisses me off. Largest of all being to kill surtr as they need him for ragnarok then choosing not to use him at all because they want to save the inncocents in asgard. Im sure he loves that he died for nothing

[@johnleonard9102]

No joke man, I can't believe the battle of Ragnarok had more talking than fighting going on. Such a waste of an ending.

[@aikalabe7719]

-fimbulwinter is a precursor to ragnarok, theres no reason why it could not affect other realms even if ragnarok only destroys asgard. -atreus travelling to jotunheim in a dream is a manifestation of his newfound powers. The giants were established to have prophetic dreams and atreus is half giant. -it is very clearly stated that time passes at different speeds in other realms.

[@SociaCin]

Didn't Atreus break part of the stave in his bear form?

[@RhapsodyDusk]

3:38 It's mentioned in companion dialogue that Freya broke the curse on her regarding combat in between games. 4:30 You can actually find Fenrir's grave at the bottom of the hill before the wolf kennels 45:13 It's mentioned in both Jotunheim and the first time you visit Muspelheim by Angrboda that some giants left the Nine Realms altogether.

[@nahte123456]

For the first one Dart outright says it's because of Fimblwinter but he thinks it's a weak excuse.

[@RhapsodyDusk]

@@nahte123456 There's a conversation between Freya and Mimir where Mimir asks her how she broke the curse that prevented her from fighting. Freya doesn't describe the specifics, but she mentions that it involved a heavy cost. She never mentioned Fimbulwinter being a part of it.

[@nahte123456]

@@RhapsodyDusk so? In the end it's the same thing, curse broken between games with no discernable reason and any "price" was not given. Also Fimbulwinter still is said to weaken curses.

[@aikalabe7719]

-the apple thing is actually accurate to norse mythology, the asgardians eat divine apples which nourish them. -many of these sins seem to be a matter of taste. Personally i thought it was clever how fenrir and jormungandr are "created" by loki and are thus his "sons", as opposed to being his actual biological spawn. -it's a video game. You dont get to sin a game for having gameplay or levels. -odin states only atreus could put on the mask. He couldnt afford to alienate loki entirely. If he killed everyone except atreus the kid would just break the mask out of principle. -odin disguised himself as tyr not to manipulate their every decision, but to gather information on their plan and then strike at the opportune moment. He resigned himself to letting heimdall fight kratos (and seems surprised when heimdall loses, meaning he didnt think draupnir was that serious a threat). His chief goal was always to get the mask and to have atreus help him use it. All the other stuff with the wolves, freyr, etc was him lettimg things play out knowing he would eventually get a chance to complete the mask. You made it a sin that he advised atreus not to go to asgard, implying it would have been a more savvy move for him in the disguise of tyr to start ADVOCATING for atreus to separate from the group? That would have immediately raised suspicion. The only reason he failed was because he accidentally called atreus loki in front of brok, everyone else had pretty much bought the story.

[@seanwuzhere12]

Sin 162: the Norns said that fate isn’t written, it’s just everyone is predictable. Kratos was supposed to die in the fight with Thor if Kratos tried to kill him and Odin would’ve won if Atreus closed his heart to the people around him dying. Since they both changed so did their fates, it shows it on the murals. Tbh ragnarok probably wouldn’t have happened if they knew they could change fate by doing the opposite of what they’d normally do.

[@superlucci]

There is nothing to imply that the death foretold by the prophecy was from Thor. Thats headcanon. There is nothing to imply that Odin would've won if Atreus closed his heart thats headcanon. Kratos and Atreus defy fate in the most casual of ways without doing anything special or unique that nobody else in this universe could've done. It makes absolutely no sense why Prophecy and Fate were ever taken seriously in this world if anybody can break them so casually.

[@xeox4280]

So if Kratos tries to not kill Thor he wins and if he tries to kill him he doesnt win..? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that does not make any sense!

[@Dlord1PlayStation]

That's the thing though...Kratos did what he normally would do. He spared Baldur. He spared Heimdall. He spared Thor. The only difference was that Thor actually took the offer, not that Kratos did something he wouldn't. If he had continued to spare Heimdall or Thor AFTER they continued to go after Atreus, that would have been more meaningful in expressing that Kratos has changed, because since the last game, we knew that Kratos didn't want war but would absolutely kill the Aesir or sacrifice himself if it meant Atreus would live. The "change" we got is something the Norns should have predicted since GOW 2018. The fact that a mural exists with what actually happens shows that Kratos fate was indeed predictable.

[@seanwuzhere12]

@@xeox4280 When Thor gets back up to fight again is most likely where Kratos would’ve died if he fought again but instead he put away his weapon.

[@xeox4280]

@@seanwuzhere12 That never happened. Thor even said "what are you waiting for" he knew kratos could kill him. Gow ragnarok writers are lazy idiot they just changed things from gow 2018 and the other games lore and tell dumb excuses for everything.

[@Kageravager]

I'm honestly surprised that he didn't mention Freya's "BOW TO YOUR QUEEN" line.

[@BoleDaPole]

Or the stereotypical black Aunt Jamayma boss that tosses jugs of purple drank at Atreus.

[@midoriyaweed5508]

@@BoleDaPole that's a joke right?

[@Tr_1391]

I don't know why people think that's a girl boss moment. Not only is she literally the former queen of asgard, but she still has notoriety as the queen of the Valkyries and leader of the vanir

[@marillstreep5005]

@@BoleDaPole terrible troll is terrible.

[@hesha.rahman1965]

....Or Angrboda the Flower Power vegan Feminist With the Rainbow Attacks 😑

[@l4vr4x85]

sin 124: kratos figures out that Heimdall knows the combo he's doing and keeps doing the combo. the punch he lands is a cut instead of just a bruise, because the draupnir ring (which is prophesied to lead to the death of heimdall) cuts Heimdall's face

[@mrdaven7579]

When Thor pours the cups, he actually pours one for kratos and one for Atreus. Thats why he tells Kratos he should have told him Atreus wont drink before he poured the cups.

[@curiousconsultant7922]

Odin is the very icon of omnipotence, he is supposed to be all seeing and all knowing, but they gave us a version of him that only has questions, maybe it was by design but still felt odd. In Greece, whenever a god died the thing that he or she governed over is destroyed due to it being bound to them. But here it feels like no power vacuum was created after the Aesir's deaths. It does make you wonder just how much their godhood is considered divine and how much of it is just them being overpowered ageless mutations that other people just chose to worship.

[@sythrin144]

Why Kratos did not take the deal. In the journal he wrote he even considered it but after Odin metioned Freya and that he would take of her he refused. Because after everything he had done to Freya, he could not so that as well to her.

[@NPDStudio]

The Journal mentioned Kratos would have considered the deed if not for his trusted consule's words. Showing the level of trust built up between Kratos & Mimir since the last game.

[@marcusclark1339]

the issue is he should of even if he was working against him, to buy himself time, not antagonize him further

[@soupgirl1871]

@@marcusclark1339 yet that shatters the entire reasoning behind why Kratos said no: his brother Mimir (he actually does consider him a brother) and his words + what happened to him and the fact Freya would have potentially been killed. Which is something Kratos doesn't want

[@leonpaelinck]

4:16 Bruh Kratos being tormented by nightmares is what the first game is all about

[@EndeyEndmyEndme]

18:26 it's actually mentioned in the previous game when Kratos was in Helheim that time moves faster in hel compared to Midgard so it makes sense for jotunheim to act the same

[@mr_brownyt4388]

Even mimir proves that at the end of the last game

[@jetstreamsam99]

Time's slower in Helheim, not faster. That's why when Kratos gets back with the Bridge Keeper's heart, not much time passed in Midgard, and Atreus's condition didn't worsen

[@JTGallant]

Sin 97 at about 26:29 is incorrect. In the first game, Kratos confirms he forged two matching knives for himself and Atreus. He gives him that knife after they break his mother's knife saving Kratos from the drowning trap in Tyr's temple.

[@thefreshprince310]

I hate the argument that god of war is too long, when elden ring is hundreds of hours longer, but no furthering of plot

[@theresnothinghere1745]

One is a story-based game where the story progression feels very much rushed at times. The other is based mainly around its gameplay and provides consistent content while drip-feeding lore the whole way. The comparison does not hold up.

[@TickeyWickey4u]

I can describe this video as questioning game logic and questioning the logic of a mythology

[@DarkAttackYT]

It doesn't matter which game won GOTY because you can still love this game. The Game Awards are just made to piss people off and give awards to games that were only good at having a big marketing and reception.

[@crispyfour9052]

I say GOWR and Eldin Ring are both the best games that came out this year.

[@grieverleonhart2630]

To be fair, this one didn’t deserve GOTY, it’s a far cry from GoW 2018. Still a good game though, I had fun with it.

[@DarkAttackYT]

@@grieverleonhart2630 I will play it myself eventually and see what I think of it. Maybe I'll like it more than GOW 2018 since I wasn't very attached to that game.

[@grieverleonhart2630]

@@DarkAttackYT well if you weren’t very attached to GoW 2018 then you’ll be very disappointed in this one. Don’t get me wrong it was fun and it had it’s moments but 2018 was far superior in terms of story.

[@victorcharles27]

How did WH3 or Victoria 3 Not win strategy of the year MARIO AND THE RABBITS WTF😡😠🤬🤬😠😡

[@MikeP828]

3 minutes and five seconds. It took you 3 minutes and 5 seconds just to boil sin #1 down to a “protagonist in a video game sequel has to start over from level 1” cliche sin. And here I thought Jeremy was the only person that pads the sin count.

[@meirthecreator9677]

Kratos: Death can have me when it has earned me Me: it took you twice and you claimed Hax

[@artdog0100]

SIN 34: A game developer pointed out in an Easter Egg. That a dwarf on the bridge, in the entrance to their city. Spits at Kratos as he boats in. That's Odin! He saw for himself what there motivations were. He even had spy ravens flying over head to watch.

[@kneeofjustice9619]

That’s the way the Greek gods were. They were the most spiteful and pettiest people to exist and would punish you just because they felt like it.

[@thanashs]

Sin 10 : Atreus buried Fenrir before going through the crevice, you can even see the place and Mimir will comment on it lol

[@MikeP828]

Sin 142: Atreus literally couldn’t put Brok’s soul into one of the marbles even if he thought of that. Brok is missing a piece of his soul, so Atreus wouldn’t be able to put the entire thing into a marble.

[@johndoe5940]

WRONG AS FUCK. You can clearly see during fenrirs death that only one piece of the soul enters his knife. The other 3 do not. The drift off into the air. Yet fenrir was fine to be resurrected into garm. He didn’t put all four pieces into the knife and into garm and it worked fine. He doesn’t need all four pieces.

[@lfreece2]

Lol, look at you, simping for writers who can barely spell out the plot.

[@MikeP828]

@@lfreece2 me pointing out that Dartigan doesn’t pay attention to the plot isn’t simping. Y’all really need to stop using words that you don’t know the definition of.

[@TheBlueGoldenHawk]

23:10 Odin has his raven spies everywhere in the realms, so it's not so out of the ordinary that if he wasn't "Tyr", that he could have noticed that Freya met up with Kratos and worked together in Vanaheim. Pretty sure there are ravens that you can even destroy on the main plot path while with her before she meets "Tyr" at Sindri's house

[@lukescrew1981]

You should put subtitles because a nice clue that Tyr wasn't the real Týr was the little ' in his name

[@operationangel7940]

27:49 Nice reference to Sleipnir. For those who want to keep their sanity intact, don’t look it up.

[@diegopansini3152]

24:34 Maybe Odin tricked Mimir into thinking he was being tricked? Either that, or the Well just took away his sight, THEN he was tricked into clawing out his own eye

[@nahte123456]

Figured the opposite. While high he saw something that convinced him to claw his eye out and got some knowledge for it. Mimic only saw the surface stuff.

[@BoleDaPole]

Or maybe Odin tricks Mimir into tricking himself into thinking that he tricked Odin?

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Maybe Odin hung himself before Mimir's prank, and put in a replacement eye. Then when he was tricked by Mimir, he gouged the replacement eye out and damaged his eye socket so badly he couldn't get another replacement.

[@johndoe5940]

Another example of this channels piss poor research. There’s literal dialogue m the game where Atreus asks mimir directly “some of the details you told about Odin don’t match up with what he told me”. I’m paraphrasing but mimir then explains exactly what that’s about.

[@travisoliver6741]

It's actually just that Odin is a compulsive liar who lies to everyone about everything. He's a manipulative bastard who couldn't be trusted to tell you what 2 + 2 equals. This is established in the first game, and even without that context, its pretty obvious in this game. Thrud, Odin's granddaughter, completely believes that Odin has never done anything wrong. This is especially egregious when Atreus mentions that Mimir says Odin killed Ymir, which Thrud doesn't believe, _even though Odin confirms that he killed Ymir to Atreus_ "If he tells you the snow is white, he's lying." ~ Mimir, literally in this game

[@GodWarsX]

Sin 11 - You can clearly see the wolf's burial site outside the cave

[@ARIXANDRE]

Oh, Boy....this is gonna be a good one.

[@michaelguthrie3250]

Thor was pathetic, thought Kratos was going to give him a cuddle at one point 😕

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

I VOTE CALLISTO PROTOCOL!!! Also, thanks for moving the ending video annotations so i can actually see the next video suggestions.

[@animationcity8178]

Sin 6: If you linger around gow 2018 long enough, you will notice that 1-Kratos and Atreus’ house is in Midgard 2- (the more important one) While Kratos and Atreus were at Jötunheim, Freya asked Mimir where she could find her warrior spirit. So she got it.

[@Baytuh]

Love the video man and even though I think this game is a 10 i agree with a lot of the sins definitely the 3rd act felt like it was rushed. I think you should sin Callisto Protocol next.

[@cheeky_casual]

I just noticed the fact that Heimdall has a golden grill for some reason.

[@Thunder_Roy]

4:31 actually Atreus buried the wolf before he went through there

[@oukeith]

I thought it was weird Kratos just couldn't walk thru ankle high water instead the developers wanted you to freeze the fountain with axe and then walk over.

[@enginear1157]

Your misunderstanding of Odin as a character, as well as his plan, is downright criminal. What is the first thing Mimir says about this guy in this game? He always lies. Most importantly, he lies about his intentions. When he first shows up to Kratos' house, he's not there to negotiate with Kratos. He brings Thor deliberately to get Kratos out of the way so he can talk to Atreus in private and try to manipulate him. If anything this scene makes MORE sense in the long term. He tells Atreus not to look for Tyr, "Tyr is totally dead you guys" because he wants Atreus to look for the "Tyr" Odin wants him to find, which he uses to infiltrate the heroes' ranks later in the game. It's reverse psychology. Odin has been lying from the start, it's his MO. You can't just take everything he says at face value and then complain that his plan makes no sense or that his character is inconsistent. Like dude, read between the lines a little.

[@Bonbonbon739]

That’s funny I’m playing it for a second time and it does tell you if you shoot at the same spot it makes the runic circle bigger

[@BenjaminClaude]

Sin #5: Freya and Mimir talked during the game about her curse. She said Sigrun helped her retrieve her "Valkyrie Wings" and "Warrior's Spirit" although it was EXTREMELY difficult and she had to go through a lot to do it.

[@johnleonard9102]

And do they explain how Sigrun and the other Valkyries come back to life after you killed them in the last game? And wasn't there this big problem with people dying and not going to Hel because the Valkyries weren't doing their jobs? And do you understand how cheap of writing that is for Freya to just say "Oh I did some hard stuff and got some help and that's how I was able to start fighting again?" It's just proof that the writers themselves had no idea how to give Freya her warrior spirit back, so they just skipped over that part with a small throwaway line hoping that would be good enough. And then to get Freya the ability to travel between realms back you have to kill Nidhogg, and it's completely okay for Freya to kill this creature that's important for the survival of all nine realms. The consequences of killing her are solved almost immediately when the squirrel gives you the side quests to go find the dragon kids. If the writers had some real balls, Kratos would have chewed Freya out for killing Nidhogg because he knows from experience what happens when you're willing to kill anything in your way to get your revenge. The story should have had a part where two of the realms are crashing into each other because the world tree is overgrowing, putting emphasis on Freya and how she needs to slow down and think before she flies off the handle in rage and puts other people at risk. Then after this part when Kratos and Freya go and trim some of the World tree branches themselves to get these two realms to separate, then the squirrel could give us the side quests to go find the children. But nope! Freya is not allowed to be shown in a bad light or make mistakes or be taught a lesson, and we all know exactly why that is.

[@jetstreamsam99]

@@johnleonard9102 The game explains quite well how Sigrun and the others came back as Shield Maidens. Freya and the other Vanir brought them back with life with, in Freya's words, "no small amount of Vanir magic." As for Nidhogg, it wouldn't have made sense for Kratos to chew her out. At this point in the game, he had no idea who Nidhogg was and their importance. And actually, Nidhogg doesn't keep the realms from crashing into each other, her only job was protecting Yggdrasil's roots and raising her Lyndwrym babies. The seasonal Stags you find throughout the realms do that, by snacking on the leaves and branches of Yggdrasil.

[@johnleonard9102]

@@jetstreamsam99 considering the most difficult side quest in 2018 was to kill all the Valkyries, it's really lazy writing to say they came back with a throw away line like "It took a ton of Vanir magic." Bringing them back should have been a main quest in this game at the very least, even if you do something that brings them all back at once. Also, Kratos meets Ratotaskr before he goes to Vanaheim. The squirrel tells Kratos and Atreus about Nidhogg and how necessary she is for the survival of the realms, so Kratos does have an idea of how important the giant dragon is by the time Freya kills her.

[@catwithaneyepatch]

4:22 you can literally see the axe fly to him 5:25 they repaired it. 9:32 Asgard.. he was in Niflheim because Asgard was destroyed and fell across all the realms. The Asgardian prison that Týr was in fell into Niflheim 18:22 yes? Yes is does. They went to Jotunheim for like 5 minutes and a few days passed at the end of last game as Mimir said 32:12 nah im done