Everything WRONG With God of War Ragnarök

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[@chefbreccia2642]

"Brother, I had a thought -- what if we took a stealthy approach to our next battle?" "No." -1 sin.

[@smellsfargo]

Sin removal for the "death can have me" like is well deserved

[@AZ-rl7pg]

27:03

[@ruvivenati8502]

Around 40-50 of the sins can be removed if you pay attention to the filler dialogues in both games.

[@badoosh6339]

Lol, that’s so true 😂

[@lilsoonerfaninmo]

These videos are fairly satirical, but alot of these points ARE kinda stupid....

[@Shayne10998]

I stopped counting after i noticed 15 sins that can be removed these videos are like this on purpose

[@markbade565]

He'd probably point out that needing to listen to filler dialogue to get plot points is a sin in itself. I still find his videos very amusing which is why i always watch, but in no way do i take them seriously or give them any merit as a critique or review.

[@onyxserenitatem7636]

That’s how these videos go. I believe the video for NieR automata was one of the worst offenders for this, where half the points were answered in game if you just pay attention

[@ryancarson6962]

9:31 Actually Tyr was locked up in *Asgard,* his prison only fell into Niflheim once Asgard was destroyed by Surtur.

[@drawingpower1]

Sorry. I'm confused. If Tyr was locked up in Asgard why did the giants predict that Tyr was in the land of the dwarves,or did they know interpreting it wrongly was the right move? Someone is playing 4-D chess

[@drethom087]

@@drawingpower1 it does sound dumb, but then again, 50% of the game is about a lie ridden prophecy lol. So even though I disagree, it isn’t exactly out of left field

[@Tr_1391]

@@drawingpower1 the prophecy showed someone that looked like Tyr locked up in the mine's of svartelheim, and there was.

[@Yougotcaged102]

@@drawingpower1 As Mimir said, prophecy details are scarce. When the giants saw a vision of Tyr in Svartélheim, they likely only saw the image of Tyr trapped somewhere in the mines. They likely did not know it wasn't actually Tyr

[@justaayan2]

Wait, I'm pretty sure that tyr was in svartelheim but when kratos declined the peace offer, odin went there and switched himself with the actual tyr. You can see the raven feathers when you go back there. That's why Dubrlin gave directions to the fake tyr, because that's where tyr was kept originally.

[@SilverKnights543]

Sin 14: i mean Thor is basically the guard dog. It would make sense for Odin to send Thor to check out a unfamiliar place before coming himself which is why Thor muttered to the crows.

[@DeathSt1x]

Yeah exactly what I was gonna say. That and also that Thor was doing nothing because he was simply brought there to deal with Kratos if he declined Odin’s offer, which he did. Odin’s “Don’t take all day” and Thor’s “About time” suggested that they planned for a confrontation with Kratos

[@drawingpower1]

Isn't that already Huggin and Munnin's job, being Odin's "eyes and ears" unless to determine how hostile kratos was and to be sure he wouldn't attack on sight, then yes.

[@BallingNotTryn]

Talk yo shit bro 🔥🔥✊🏾💯

[@hubbabubba2570]

The thing with Freya is Mimir specifies Odin knew her weaknesses which to me implies he linked her no stabby curse to Baldur's own life, so long as he lived, Freya couldn't take up arms.

[@kylonbell123]

Yea one sin doesn't take away from the fact this Odin is mid imagine being so scrawny an but still somehow being stronger than Kratos it's like muscle is for fun lmao or how Mimir gives us so much Odin lore only for it to be ignored bruh what's the point of playing the first game anymore the story was so good yet they drop it for combat that's still trash smh

[@moret25]

6:03 Agreed. In fact: it seems like most of the Norse Gods behaved like a Mafia boss, rather than having the " Thou shalt not disrespect our holy domain!" attitude the Greek Pantheon had

[@tonyc8258]

This was to make them more distinct and different If they acted the same as Zeus and the others, they wouldn’t be very interesting and the game wouldn’t be quite different

[@frogglen6350]

To be fair, Zeus and the other Greek gods are very boring antagonist. They have cool boss fights but never do or say anything interesting

[@greyworld6242]

“Power does not need to flaunt.”

[@realamericannegro977]

This whole new series falls because they try to hard to make characters relatable.

[@miminoran8948]

@@realamericannegro977 nah I found the old ones relatable

[@nolandavis5699]

Sin 5: this was addressed during the ending to game 1 where Mimir states that Freya had reclaimed her warrior spirit which would let her fight once again, she did this quickly because time works differently in different realms with Jotunheim moving time faster in midgard since when Kratos and Atreus came back it had been a few days while when Atreus went to iron wood in this game he was apparently gone for 2 days

[@ryancarson6962]

5:33 Sin 14: Since Thor actually stopped drinking by this point its pretty obvious that Odin forced him to bring the mead as a formality for Kratos and was supposed to actually drink it to show Kratos that they didn't poison it. That's why Odin chugs it down himself and admonishes Thor for not being fun anymore once he actually comes in.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

more like Odin wants Thor dependant on his alcohol addiction and to be his big drunk muscle, Thor is trying to stop after the death of his sons and Odin is just pushing him back into it because 'thats all he's good for'

[@Firstsurugi]

It took entirely too long for me to figure that out.

[@Stormfin]

I think part of the idea was that Sacred Hospitality in Ancient Greece required a gift as a show of faith, and Kratos mentions missing a lot of things from Greece, like olives, wine and even the weather. Thor arriving to parlay with the gift of booze, even if it's the wrong kind, would have been enough to get Kratos' attention.

[@BirdmanDeuce26]

@@Stormfin I read in another comment section that the scene perfectly sets up Odin and Thor's personalities in less than a minute: * Thor is gigantic, clearly very powerful, and stereotyped to be a brute. But he obliges Sacred Hospitality by bringing a gift and waiting to be invited in, lets Kratos point him where to sit, presents his weapon on the table to show good faith, and pours out the drinks first (only murmuring that Kratos should've told him that Atreus wouldn't be drinking so as to not waste mead). * Odin, in contrast, walks straight in with no invitation once the door is opened, takes a stool to sit at the table on his own accord, and drinks from the cups without so much as asking first. (it's also highly implied he was waiting for his ravens to confirm that Thor had the situation under control and that Kratos wasn't going to immediately jump them)

[@strikingdiscussion5263]

Its not “obvious” as the writers never allude to this again, nor do they elaborate on what’s happening past the point at which it is shown. Thus, the real reason is unknown and there is no definitive answer given for why this occurs. Hence, the audience is left to come up with justifications for the writers. In a well-written story, everything that the audience is made to focus on is important to the story. It should also be made clear why their attention was brought to something. This game introduces things with no justification or foreshadowing and then removes them just as fast, theres little point in reading into scenes like this when they belong to such a messy and careless story.

[@gradymccormick2048]

I was half expecting you to sin all of the flashbacks of Faye. Because in your last video you removed sins because they did not use any flashbacks of Faye. I will say the voice actors did a phenomenal job with this game especially the voice actors of Odin and Heimdall. Heimdall's jerk scumbag personality was really captivating especially when you had to fight him. Kudos to the voice actors

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I compare Faye's face to Moriarty from the Sherlock Holmes movies with Robert Downey Jr. In the first SH movie you never see his face, but you get his name by the end. Then in the second movie, his first scene is a face reveal. Since Holmes learned his name, he was able to learn who he was and what he looked like, so therefore the audience immediately gets a good look at him. It works similarly in Ragnorok. You never see Faye in GoW 2018 because you don't know her true identity as a giant. But in the sequel, the player knows her story, so they get a pass to see her.

[@forgotten4146]

I wouldnt say good voice acting. Its Cool but not good

[@packlesswolf1]

You actually free the Real Tyr in the prison near the ravens tree. Then I kept seeing him pop up around different realms and kept saying " I wish to be alone"

[@TrigonAZR]

Yeah, kind of a bummer. Real Tyr turned out to be as uninteresting as the fake one

[@ericthomas6726]

Sindri literally helped Atreus search Midgard using the realm between realms. Plus, taking note of the beginning, Kratos giving Atreus space long enough to hunt or spend time with the wolves isn't a stretch.

[@hffj11]

The reveal that Tyr was actually Odin wasnt foreshadowed too much, but I always suspected Tyr was doing something behind their backs 1 - The first fight between Atreus and Kratos is triggered by Tyr, he said something about prophecy and Jotnar Champion that led them to argue 2 - When Freya arrives at Sindris house, Tyr kinda reminds her that Kratos was the one who killed her son. He says that he feels sorry for something terrible happening to her son Also, Tyr called Freya Frigg (It was how Odin called her, but it can pass as her Aesir/Asgardian name), and seconds before the reveal, he calls Atreus Loki

[@ankayambitious]

And in the subtitles the fake-Týr is written "Tyr", but when the characters refer to him as the true one, it's written correctly.

[@VexdinLord]

I'd say a lot of his lines make more sense with the knowledge that he is Odin. When he finds out the prophecy he was told was a lie, you can tell Odin sort of breaks character for a few moments out of shock, before having to be reminded that he's pretending to be Tyr. Not too much foreshadowing, but it makes all of his dialogue as Tyr feel like they were very subtly hinting the twist since the beginning.

[@hffj11]

@@VexdinLord Honestly this is the right way to do a plot twist. It''s when you go back to some scenes and says "oh, so that's why he said this", meanwhile doing it in a way that the player/viewer doesn't crack the code.

[@PaulSA]

Sin 10: atreus burried the body before going in that cave. You can see the grave on the right hand side

[@austinbowles2886]

Sin #33 can be countered. Odin's ravens are constantly providing him with information that allows him to stay close behind if not head of Kratos and Atreus in a lot of instances

[@TheSofkujepanen]

Exactly. Literally the first raven you can kill is immediately after you arrive in svartalheim through the gate, like just a few meters away from you. So odin knew they had arrived there immediately

[@adultishgambino1]

I mean Thor pours two because one is for Atreus and then Kratos stops him from drinking which Thor says I wish you had told me before I poured……

[@joesbeforebros]

I’m convinced they had Heimdall show up with an apple simply to have Dartigan reference it in a sins video

[@nivea4x252]

Don’t forget GNC

[@Greil9]

7:02 That one actually does have an answer, but only if you read tyhe Codex entry for Odin. There Kratos states that he would have possibly taken the deal, but when Odin threatened Freya he immediately knew he would not take the deal. I know he said he would "deal with his ex-wife", but knowing the kind fo guy Odin is that could only mean something very much not good for her.

[@sirwillgill2937]

" Then peace it is. I'll leash my boi but leave Fraya out of this." Roll credits

[@lukaszzylik4437]

@Sir Will Gill no, the codex says that he didn't take the deal because of threat to Freya AND because he trusts Mimir and his council. It even says he trusts Mimir so much that he considers him a true brother and Mimir tells him not to trust a word Odin says both throughout the last game and moments before he said no. And if you think he should have just accepted Odins offer anyways and lie about his intentions, Kratos explains to Freya during a boat ride in Vanaheim that he hates liars and people who don't speak true. And if you think Kratos is a hypocrite for hating liars while having lied to his son about their true nature that is also a huge plot point in the game.

[@superlucci]

@@lukaszzylik4437 No he specifically declines it because Odin included Freyas death. The only thing Kratos says is "If I didnt have better counsel" Then he explains what his reason why which was Freya. Kratos is already a liar. He lied during GOW 2 to convince Zeus to come down so he could sneak attack him. Kratos denying Odins peace offering is peak stupidity when he could've just said no to including Freya

[@uvie_egua]

@@sirwillgill2937 yup, simple and short

[@sirwillgill2937]

@@lukaszzylik4437 the codex is them realizing they wrote some dumb s*** and going back to fix it

[@Erricane]

If you remember what Freya said about the Phantoms during the quest for the Norns, all that power that was depleted by Fimbulwinter went into them. That's why there were only Frost and Flame Phantoms. They were originally powers of your upgraded Axe and Blades which manifested themselves into those serpent-like creatures.

[@Praisestothemosthigh369]

Dude !!!

[@animationcity8178]

There should also have been an electric one, with Atreus’ bow

[@Erricane]

@@animationcity8178 The big difference between Atreus and Kratos' weapons are the upgrade materials. Atreus needs different steel to upgrade the bow while Kratos needs specific materials for the Axe and Blades. The Frozen and Chaos Flame are untouchable items after all.

[@animationcity8178]

@@Erricane I meant the Dragon Tooth (and maybe light of Alfheim)

[@Erricane]

@@animationcity8178 I think it's different because Atreus has to say the words in order for them to activate. Like canonically speaking, he doesn't shoot elemental arrows willy-nilly. But rather he has to say the spell for it to activate. Like Ljósta, Þruma, Skjálfa and Auka. Kratos just somehow activates the ice and flame without saying anything.

[@Brian-tn4cd]

Kinda sad you didn't show some of the post end stuff like Brokk's funeral or comment that Mimir was Puck from Midsummer's nights, and that there's dialogue that confirms he is in fact Scottish

[@johndoe5940]

Sad because? How is any of that relevant in an “everything wrong with” video? What was wrong about broks funeral? What was wrong about not mentioning mimirs accent? I’m genuinely curious bc this has 40 upvotes for some odd reason. What are the sins?

[@zwergz1122]

@@johndoe5940 could have earned sins off

[@Omega31716]

The are called likes Redditor

[@Walker-eh9hi]

Sin 17- In the Codex, Kratos said that he was tempted to take Odin's deal. But agreeing to team up with Freya's ex-husband against her was unacceptable to him. Also he trusted Mimir's counsel

[@BoleDaPole]

Having important story details hidden in a codex, let alone being lazy enough to include a codex itself deserves two extra sins. Ding ding.

[@midoriyaweed5508]

@@BoleDaPole would you rather Kratos explain his every decision in detail instead? Lazy criticism. Ding

[@jlev1028]

@@BoleDaPole You can still infer the reason Kratos rejected the deal given Odin disrespecting rules of hospitality and him acting like an amoral sociopath.

[@Walker-eh9hi]

@@BoleDaPole I couldn't disagree more if I tried. Codexes and Journals are a great way to find out what the character's thinking. Especially a quiet person like Kratos(Arthur from RDR2). The only thing lazy is not taking the time to read it, especially when a big-ass "Codex Entry Added" Icon appears on the screen every 10 minutes

[@superlucci]

@@Walker-eh9hi Having a character in a cutscene reject an offer without explaining shit makes every other character in the cutscene look like an idiot for not even attempting to ask "Well why not? Whats wrong with the offer?" There is a reason they did that, so they wouldnt have to worry about Odin making a counteroffer or anything so they could move the plot along, even though its absolutely retarded reasoning for the characters to do so

[@Fire1nRain]

9:35 The real Tyr was not imprisoned in Niflheim, it's Asgard. The prison crashed to NiflHeim after Asgard fall apart

[@wyattfrye8262]

Sin 16: “if he tells you snow is white, he’s lying”. That’s pretty much what we were told in the last game as well. Odin lies every chance he gets and is not to be trusted. In the 3 years of winter Odin has been spying on them and discovered how good Atreus is with translating languages and what he’s searching for and how he alone is able to access the shires secret compartment and well… we see his plan in action

[@gokujinkazama9846]

You forgot a Sin. The Frozen Lightning in Vanahiem. Mimir said in 2018. Thor was Angry that he could not find Faye to challenge her.

[@danielcharles3553]

That's true! Although he could have been so drunk that he forgot. In the first fight with you after the frozen lightning he does say " feels familiar" Which means that he doesn't fully remember fighting someone with that Axe. I didn't like that section of the crater, I feel that it cheapens our first fight with Thor. Furthermore, our last fight was even less epic with him.... No frozen lightning, no crater made in Asgard, not felt throughout the whole 9 Realms.... Disappointed by the scale

[@travisvanalst4698]

Bruh good call.

[@TaskForce-ql3bx]

@@danielcharles3553 that might come down to the limitations of the location. They couldn’t really do much with Asgard since it was already ruined. Going wider they would have to have a full body Ragnarok doing stuff in the distance with Freyr and Freya having to keep it busy. It was likely done to save time/money since the sequence could get very complicated. Just like how they literally Yeeted Thrud away from the fight.

[@julian5889]

that could've been after that encounter, methinks she started hiding in the woods after that fight and her failed rebellion, then she met kratos and they both lived hiding with her seeing a new and better future for all the realms in kratos

[@Thunder_Roy]

5:23 Atreus broke the stave as a bear. They literally told Kratos it was busted

[@luispresuel3499]

Yeah, and they fixed before Thor arrived. It's stated later that those protection trees are useless to prevent Odin to appear near their house

[@Thunder_Roy]

@@luispresuel3499yeah, but Odin already knew where they lived. Remember Baldur

[@tbc1880]

1st sin reeks of: I didn't understand old Kratos the same way some people didn't understand how flawed Dante was until DMC5 highlighted them for its main narrative.

[@Kinos141]

Sin #103: The fates and the Norns are not the same. The Fates wove people's lives. The Norns only read them.

[@presenttooth6614]

this video is full of sins that are easily explained by playing and listening to both games. Just had to pad the video to get out new game content. I like his videos but this one isn't very good on a lot of its points.

[@pretends2know]

46:24 For the next one, I would prefer A Plague's Tale because they shoved Callisto Protocol's ending into DLC for some reason, and I would rather you sin all of it with that knowledge rather than cut it off there.

[@Bidens_Diaper]

Sin 12: Atreus broke the stave as a bear. Their location was compromised while it was being fixed.

[@kelomwamukonda330]

Yeah hugin or whatever the raven is called probably got in while it was broken and brought thor and odin

[@kneeofjustice9619]

That’s the way the Greek gods were. They were the most spiteful and pettiest people to exist and would punish you just because they felt like it.

[@thefreshprince310]

I hate the argument that god of war is too long, when elden ring is hundreds of hours longer, but no furthering of plot

[@theresnothinghere1745]

One is a story-based game where the story progression feels very much rushed at times. The other is based mainly around its gameplay and provides consistent content while drip-feeding lore the whole way. The comparison does not hold up.

[@aikalabe7719]

-the apple thing is actually accurate to norse mythology, the asgardians eat divine apples which nourish them. -many of these sins seem to be a matter of taste. Personally i thought it was clever how fenrir and jormungandr are "created" by loki and are thus his "sons", as opposed to being his actual biological spawn. -it's a video game. You dont get to sin a game for having gameplay or levels. -odin states only atreus could put on the mask. He couldnt afford to alienate loki entirely. If he killed everyone except atreus the kid would just break the mask out of principle. -odin disguised himself as tyr not to manipulate their every decision, but to gather information on their plan and then strike at the opportune moment. He resigned himself to letting heimdall fight kratos (and seems surprised when heimdall loses, meaning he didnt think draupnir was that serious a threat). His chief goal was always to get the mask and to have atreus help him use it. All the other stuff with the wolves, freyr, etc was him lettimg things play out knowing he would eventually get a chance to complete the mask. You made it a sin that he advised atreus not to go to asgard, implying it would have been a more savvy move for him in the disguise of tyr to start ADVOCATING for atreus to separate from the group? That would have immediately raised suspicion. The only reason he failed was because he accidentally called atreus loki in front of brok, everyone else had pretty much bought the story.

[@joshyboy9804]

[14:17] The talking squirrel is known as a Ratatoskr; a kind of messenger creature for the Norse gods.

[@DarkAttackYT]

It doesn't matter which game won GOTY because you can still love this game. The Game Awards are just made to piss people off and give awards to games that were only good at having a big marketing and reception.

[@crispyfour9052]

I say GOWR and Eldin Ring are both the best games that came out this year.

[@grieverleonhart2630]

To be fair, this one didn’t deserve GOTY, it’s a far cry from GoW 2018. Still a good game though, I had fun with it.

[@DarkAttackYT]

@@grieverleonhart2630 I will play it myself eventually and see what I think of it. Maybe I'll like it more than GOW 2018 since I wasn't very attached to that game.

[@grieverleonhart2630]

@@DarkAttackYT well if you weren’t very attached to GoW 2018 then you’ll be very disappointed in this one. Don’t get me wrong it was fun and it had it’s moments but 2018 was far superior in terms of story.

[@victorcharles27]

How did WH3 or Victoria 3 Not win strategy of the year MARIO AND THE RABBITS WTF😡😠🤬🤬😠😡

[@Xenocrusher]

Angrbodas explanation is that giants can travel the utangard, which is Ymir’s dreams. So dream teleportation

[@johnleonard9102]

Which is cheap and sloppy writing. The boy can suddenly teleport somewhere just because he really wants to be there. This is Rey Palpatine levels of bad writing.

[@Baytuh]

My favorite thing about sin videos on peoples favorite games is how defensive they get lol. Just chill and relax and watch some entertaining content.

[@judali999]

True but this video has so many things that can easily be debunked/disproved

[@blueripper1558]

Tyr wasn't in niflheim yet, only after Ragnarok when chunks of Asgard is scattered through the realms that he ends up there

[@aikalabe7719]

-fimbulwinter is a precursor to ragnarok, theres no reason why it could not affect other realms even if ragnarok only destroys asgard. -atreus travelling to jotunheim in a dream is a manifestation of his newfound powers. The giants were established to have prophetic dreams and atreus is half giant. -it is very clearly stated that time passes at different speeds in other realms.

[@SHRADIS]

As soon as I saw Hiemdall eating the apple during my play through I automatically thought of this channel and how you would comment on it

[@TotalWar01]

A couple of the sins you put for Odin telling certain things to Atreus I simply put down to what Mimir and Freya warned - Odin manipulates and lies. I quote Mimir: "If he tells you the snow is white it's a lie" So it makes sense that he's bullshitting Atreus.

[@johndoe5940]

Bro finish the game. Atreus literally asks mimir why stories he told about Odin have some different details than odins version and mimir gives him a direct answer

[@mrdaven7579]

When Thor pours the cups, he actually pours one for kratos and one for Atreus. Thats why he tells Kratos he should have told him Atreus wont drink before he poured the cups.

[@thenewsatinbobcat5575]

40:28 yes lets send 2 Valkyries to syndries house to take the mask and atreaus while its guarded by a god of vanihiem, the queen of the Valkyries, and the god of war who killed a pantheon. Trying to divide and conquer is a ten times better strategy than tossing moths into the flame.

[@Bolt_BDA]

26:18 On God of War 2018 Kratos made two knifes combining the metals of his land with midgard's own metal making two knifes, one for Atreus and one for himself, that's why the transition shows the same knife, it's like different sides of the same apple kind of deal

[@MikeP828]

3 minutes and five seconds. It took you 3 minutes and 5 seconds just to boil sin #1 down to a “protagonist in a video game sequel has to start over from level 1” cliche sin. And here I thought Jeremy was the only person that pads the sin count.

[@flameloude]

Hold the fuck up. The first sin was almost 3 minutes of explanation!?

[@Aryanbabak]

6:00 I really loved how odin was portrayed. a tyrant king and a dictator who has everything and everyone in control, through manipulation or curses and also the fact that he doesn’t have zeus like corny dialogues and speaks like how a real medieval viking king would.

[@xylynthian753]

To be fair, nearly every game had corny dialogue back in the PS2 era. Games didn't take themselves as seriously and try to be movies.

[@aragornarathorn3299]

I doubt real medieval viking kings talked in an American accent.

[@burnerburner4074]

@@aragornarathorn3299 nor call baldur his closer.

[@Kageravager]

I'm honestly surprised that he didn't mention Freya's "BOW TO YOUR QUEEN" line.

[@BoleDaPole]

Or the stereotypical black Aunt Jamayma boss that tosses jugs of purple drank at Atreus.

[@midoriyaweed5508]

@@BoleDaPole that's a joke right?

[@Tr_1391]

I don't know why people think that's a girl boss moment. Not only is she literally the former queen of asgard, but she still has notoriety as the queen of the Valkyries and leader of the vanir

[@marillstreep5005]

@@BoleDaPole terrible troll is terrible.

[@hesha.rahman1965]

....Or Angrboda the Flower Power vegan Feminist With the Rainbow Attacks 😑

[@acuyra]

7:00 the impression I got was the Odin wants Atreus and Kratos to seek Tyr out. I’d bet Tyr actually was where they found him, and he switched Tyr out at the last second, knowing they would find him eventually. Showing up was just a way to get them moving.

[@OoOo-cb6xu]

Yeah, like when first time go meet raeb when player cross the bridge you can see odin on the bridge watch kratos and atreus

[@jahmedgilani4043]

@@OoOo-cb6xu you have a clip of that? Nice easter eggg

[@OoOo-cb6xu]

@@jahmedgilani4043 nah the dev say that in ign interview

[@kkoorraall]

kratos was a war general. him giving a speech was absolutely expectable, that sin seemed just like skill issue honestly

[@sythrin144]

By the way you can find thors teeth.

[@venomdonut6905]

Did this dude even play the game? Tyr was locked up in Asgard, when Ragnarok destroyed Asgard the prison got knocked into Niflheim.

[@crypto40]

My biggest pet peave was the war. I felt like the battle really wasn’t focused on. Ya ya I get we were coming to the climax and probably had a time crunch but think about the potential we could of had, I mean in 2018 all we hear is Thor and the snakes legendary battle. How nice would it have been to see them fight in the backround or have little cutscenes that because of there battle opens up pathways you can go through during your pursuit to Odin. There should have been more danger with the main characters instead of sending them off screen to help. I felt like the Odin felt was really lackluster tbh and The wasted potential that was within could have been even better and dramatic rather than a really crappy 3 on 1 with a square button and Odin ranting. To me his fight was the easiest in the entire game and I played on hard but that’s just me. This is my opinion but I rather had them end the game preparing the war while finding some weakness for Odin then set up the next game to focus on the war and post war rather than to me it took me 48 min to complete the entire war segment including the Odin fight. It sucks after 2018 final fight was compared to this. Another issue was ragnorok itself, after going and finding him and he really didn’t do anything but stand there in that one scenes and just swing we never see him move or have a bigger impact considering to atreious how important he is to win the war But other than that the game really was amazing. My only gripe really is how they handled the war final cutscene and Odin, at first I was excited to play and see more Odin but as the game went it I really couldn’t stand him and could care less idk if it’s the whole mask thing or just the way they made the character go from a warning in the beginning of the game to someone just spewing knowledge and wisdom searching. I also like how after finishing this KZbin video his sins are exactly what I’m pointing out lol and to note I typed this before I finished the video. And definitely the way this game ended were probably gonna get a Loki spin-off while we wait for the 3rd game

[@breekat3785]

Dont forget their only casualty was Freyr dying to Surtur. They made ragnarok just for him to work against the group. It literally made no sense to the plot at all

[@Thunder_Roy]

4:31 actually Atreus buried the wolf before he went through there

[@Bonbonbon739]

That’s funny I’m playing it for a second time and it does tell you if you shoot at the same spot it makes the runic circle bigger

[@The_Fighter03]

Lots of sins are just there cause he didn't pay attention to the story.

[@curiousconsultant7922]

Odin is the very icon of omnipotence, he is supposed to be all seeing and all knowing, but they gave us a version of him that only has questions, maybe it was by design but still felt odd. In Greece, whenever a god died the thing that he or she governed over is destroyed due to it being bound to them. But here it feels like no power vacuum was created after the Aesir's deaths. It does make you wonder just how much their godhood is considered divine and how much of it is just them being overpowered ageless mutations that other people just chose to worship.

[@JTGallant]

Sin 97 at about 26:29 is incorrect. In the first game, Kratos confirms he forged two matching knives for himself and Atreus. He gives him that knife after they break his mother's knife saving Kratos from the drowning trap in Tyr's temple.

[@xela953]

odin tells atreus to not look for tyr because he knows he will do it anyway, he is trying to make "tyr" look like an advantage to atreus and a disadvantage to himself, which is of course the other way around

[@animationcity8178]

Sin 6: If you linger around gow 2018 long enough, you will notice that 1-Kratos and Atreus’ house is in Midgard 2- (the more important one) While Kratos and Atreus were at Jötunheim, Freya asked Mimir where she could find her warrior spirit. So she got it.

[@jeepamir508]

1:32 - no no no no no. Greek gods were not shallow if you stop and think about it for more than 10 seconds. 31:37 - when Zeus killed Kratos in the second game (and then he fell into Hades) Kratos wasn't the god anymore, because he gave up all of his godly powers to the Blade of Olympus (just as Zeus wanted him to) 33:10 - because Atreus didn't want his father to die and he hoped to avoid that event at any cost 36:38 - no no no. Baldur might be an a-hole, but you can understand him. The dude is cursed to not feel anything. I mean it can really drive you crazy. And it did

[@animationcity8178]

Sin 144: The reason we don’t see Sinmara is she was actually supposed to be in the game (and Atreus’s Loki part would really show there) but it got cut for some reason.

[@leonpaelinck]

4:16 Bruh Kratos being tormented by nightmares is what the first game is all about

[@shadowwolfgaming364]

This games ending was such a disappointment

[@Dctctx]

You just didn’t understand it

[@shadowwolfgaming364]

I understand the actual lore and what could have been so again fucking disappointing

[@comradegab3344]

My only problem is that there wasn't a huge cinematic battle between Thor and Jormungandr. It was just some background stuff in the end of the game. I was also really hoping for a huge open battlefield with a lot of different npcs, like a conquest battle from AC Odyssey, but it looks like Endgame

[@azzzanadra]

dad of boi 2: teenage years.

[@flozenen6468]

As much as i love this game, the big reveal that Tyr is Odin impacts nothing on the overall plot.

[@leonpaelinck]

6:29 That's the point, Odin is not to be trusted. He wants Kratos either dead or out of his way so he can manipulate Atreus

[@sythrin144]

Why Kratos did not take the deal. In the journal he wrote he even considered it but after Odin metioned Freya and that he would take of her he refused. Because after everything he had done to Freya, he could not so that as well to her.

[@NPDStudio]

The Journal mentioned Kratos would have considered the deed if not for his trusted consule's words. Showing the level of trust built up between Kratos & Mimir since the last game.

[@marcusclark1339]

the issue is he should of even if he was working against him, to buy himself time, not antagonize him further

[@soupgirl1871]

@@marcusclark1339 yet that shatters the entire reasoning behind why Kratos said no: his brother Mimir (he actually does consider him a brother) and his words + what happened to him and the fact Freya would have potentially been killed. Which is something Kratos doesn't want

[@aikalabe7719]

There's really no reason kratos aspiring to be a benevolent god should be a sin. In both the game world and the real world, Tyr was a god of war who was viewed as the voice of reason, more concerned with ending wars with minimal loss of life. There's no reason that kratos could not be a steward to the nine realms who are now in a power vacuum, using force in only extreme cases or as a deterrent. The ending of GoW 1 is hardly relevant as kratos is shown to be a changed man.

[@theresnothinghere1745]

The reason is the games never show Kratos cared about being a good god at all. It's never a factor in 2018 (or any of the greek games when godhood is forced upon him) and in ragnarok any implication of it is solely via Thor or Odin assuming things about Kratos and trying to insult him. So yes it deserves a sin as its never implied to be Kratos's aspiration nor do we really see any hint of him wanting to work towards it instead preferring to just keep to himself had the situation not forced his hand.

[@Jrockk999]

I actually don't like this portrayal of Odin and Thor. Odin comes off more like some basic wizard who defied the whole association just because he thinks he knows better about the mysteries of the universe even though he is just as clueless. I was expecting some kind of ancient but paranoid being who desires all knowledge for himself that believes everyone else is out to claim what he knows. As he is, I would have much rather had the Zeus 2.0 that I was afraid he would be. Thor isn't even compelling nor carries any weight within the story which is the same complaint I had with Baldur, except at least with Baldur there was this idea of him looking for you. Thor is just getting drunk and waiting like a dog on a leash. They try to make comparisons between him and Kratos, but it doesn't work.

[@petermj1098]

The difference between Greek Gods and Norse Gods is that Greek Gods we’re immortal and Norse Gods are mortal. Odin is the opposite of Zeus in terms of philosophy. Zeus was concerned of omnipotent power. Odin was concerned with omniscient power. Basically Zeus was brawn over brains as Odin was brains over brawn. Zeus had a pretentious attitude towards people because he was an immortal and had a unlimited life. Odin had a unpretentious attitude towards people because he was mortal and had a limited life. Pandora’s Box caused Zeus to fear and be more obsessed with omnipotent power and protecting his immortality. The mask caused Odin to fear and be more obsessed with omniscient power and protecting his mortality. I think what Freya did to Baldur is just like what Ares did to Kratos- they are both cursed with a enraging power. Baldur was cursed with Freya’s spell as Kratos is cursed by being bound to the Blades of Chaos. I think what Odin had done to Thor is like what Zeus did to Kratos- which is use him as a lapdog and allow trauma plague. Kratos and Atreus freed Baldur from living a rageful cursed life and Kratos and Atreus freed Thor from living as a depressed lapdog for a Odin.

[@johndoe5940]

They’re both sons of the most powerful gods of the realm. They’re both known for being violent and killing a ton of people, both deserved and innocent. Odin ordered Magni and modi on mission that got them killed, Kratos was cursed by a gods and sent on a mission that got his wife and daughter killed (by kratos) neither want to be “destroyers” anymore. Only Kratos manages to actually change though. They both despise their fathers. And oh yea they wield almost identical weapons that control elements of nature and return on command. Which one of those comparisons doesn’t work? I’ll wait.

[@RaccAttack77]

The sin about Atreus crawling through the crevice with Fenrir on his back could have been avoided if you looked 90 degrees to the right and saw the fresh burial mound right there. There IS auto healing, you just don’t go all the way to full. The cup Thor poured was for Atreus hence the ‘you could have told me before I poured’ when Kratos stops him handing off the cup. And that’s just the few I saw that can be removed if you paid attention. “It’s satire” ok, ok, fair. But if Fimbulwinter can’t be used as an excuse, neither can that

[@JABRIEL251]

I really do like the portrayal of Odin. He's honestly become one of my favorite gaming villains. I just like that even though I knew from the start he was manipulating people and was the ultimate antagonist, I still found myself almost believing him.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

Would have been nice if he had a second form were he goes giga chad mode , being a supposed shape shifter

[@shadowthehedgehog181]

@CreatorsFreedom!!! God no. They did that to The Joker in Batman: Arkham City and it terrible. So out of place and unnecessary. Ragnarok took the right approach

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

@@shadowthehedgehog181 soo yall are ok with beating up Thin Old people ?

[@elliscaballero8300]

Within 5 minutes I recognised this guy doesn't actually know what he's talking about in regards to the game narrative and story. A lot of this 'sins' are immediately removed if you actually pay attention to the game and minor interactions between characters. No need to watch the other 41 minutes.

[@NeonSuperNovas]

After seeing Kratos die, kill Hades and take his soul blades, then climb out of the underworld, I never again feared for Kratos lmao. Not only that, but he killed the Sisters of Fate and changed his fate. There is literally NOTHING that can stop Kratos lol.

[@OdysseyHome-Gaming]

Sucks that Tyr was written into Odin. Was looking forward to seeing Tyr's character arc... but this sounds like a "won't it be a plot twist if..."

[@artdog0100]

SIN 34: A game developer pointed out in an Easter Egg. That a dwarf on the bridge, in the entrance to their city. Spits at Kratos as he boats in. That's Odin! He saw for himself what there motivations were. He even had spy ravens flying over head to watch.

[@Ryuxun]

The mural WAS about Kratos dying. He would have died of he didn't change, that's the point of the game.

[@lukescrew1981]

You should put subtitles because a nice clue that Tyr wasn't the real Týr was the little ' in his name

[@mr_brownyt4388]

7:08 he explains why in his journal if you would read it bruh

[@jamesross6476]

You deserve a sin for the 3 minute opening dialog

[@RealWorldGaming]

Sin 156: That’s literally what happened in their actual battle it wasn’t random

[@johndoe5940]

Ok? No one said it was random lol. Maybe watch that part again, bud.

[@RealWorldGaming]

@@johndoe5940when I say random I’m pertaining to when he said “somehow sent him back in time” I know what was stated

[@johndoe5940]

@@RealWorldGaming he wasn’t saying it was random tho lol. He says “somehow sent back in time” bc there is no actual explanation for how Thor hit something so hard it went back in time. That’s not possible in real life and if it’s possible in the game it wasn’t explained how it works. Thus “somehow” Any way you slice it “random” isn’t the correct word here. He didn’t say or imply that it was some random thing. It happened in their battle, like you said, but we don’t get an explanation other than “he got him hard”. So instead of explaining how it happened he just said “somehow this happened.” Again, random isn’t a suitable replacement for somehow bc you’re saying something different than the narrator of this video. He didn’t say or imply it was random. He’s saying “somehow this happened” bc we don’t actually know what happened other than he hit him hard.

[@michaelguthrie3250]

Thor was pathetic, thought Kratos was going to give him a cuddle at one point 😕

[@Astropeleki]

The reason why they couldn't use Fenrir to sneak into Asgard was because Odin told Atreus that it was protected from Garm's realm tears. Fenrir only managed to do that after Gjallahorn is blown and all the Nine Realms can access Asgard, meaning that any magic preventing people from entering it without Odin's permission was gone.

[@andrewwilkins3014]

Some of these are warranted but some of these just show how little you pay attention and/or how ignorant you are

[@johndoe5940]

Ignorance is thinking he’ll actually read and consider your comment.

[@jasonnewbery]

5:20 theres more snow and thor looks different because the end credit scene was a dream atreus had

[@thanashs]

Sin 10 : Atreus buried Fenrir before going through the crevice, you can even see the place and Mimir will comment on it lol

[@BenjaminClaude]

Sin #5: Freya and Mimir talked during the game about her curse. She said Sigrun helped her retrieve her "Valkyrie Wings" and "Warrior's Spirit" although it was EXTREMELY difficult and she had to go through a lot to do it.

[@johnleonard9102]

And do they explain how Sigrun and the other Valkyries come back to life after you killed them in the last game? And wasn't there this big problem with people dying and not going to Hel because the Valkyries weren't doing their jobs? And do you understand how cheap of writing that is for Freya to just say "Oh I did some hard stuff and got some help and that's how I was able to start fighting again?" It's just proof that the writers themselves had no idea how to give Freya her warrior spirit back, so they just skipped over that part with a small throwaway line hoping that would be good enough. And then to get Freya the ability to travel between realms back you have to kill Nidhogg, and it's completely okay for Freya to kill this creature that's important for the survival of all nine realms. The consequences of killing her are solved almost immediately when the squirrel gives you the side quests to go find the dragon kids. If the writers had some real balls, Kratos would have chewed Freya out for killing Nidhogg because he knows from experience what happens when you're willing to kill anything in your way to get your revenge. The story should have had a part where two of the realms are crashing into each other because the world tree is overgrowing, putting emphasis on Freya and how she needs to slow down and think before she flies off the handle in rage and puts other people at risk. Then after this part when Kratos and Freya go and trim some of the World tree branches themselves to get these two realms to separate, then the squirrel could give us the side quests to go find the children. But nope! Freya is not allowed to be shown in a bad light or make mistakes or be taught a lesson, and we all know exactly why that is.

[@jetstreamsam99]

@@johnleonard9102 The game explains quite well how Sigrun and the others came back as Shield Maidens. Freya and the other Vanir brought them back with life with, in Freya's words, "no small amount of Vanir magic." As for Nidhogg, it wouldn't have made sense for Kratos to chew her out. At this point in the game, he had no idea who Nidhogg was and their importance. And actually, Nidhogg doesn't keep the realms from crashing into each other, her only job was protecting Yggdrasil's roots and raising her Lyndwrym babies. The seasonal Stags you find throughout the realms do that, by snacking on the leaves and branches of Yggdrasil.

[@johnleonard9102]

@@jetstreamsam99 considering the most difficult side quest in 2018 was to kill all the Valkyries, it's really lazy writing to say they came back with a throw away line like "It took a ton of Vanir magic." Bringing them back should have been a main quest in this game at the very least, even if you do something that brings them all back at once. Also, Kratos meets Ratotaskr before he goes to Vanaheim. The squirrel tells Kratos and Atreus about Nidhogg and how necessary she is for the survival of the realms, so Kratos does have an idea of how important the giant dragon is by the time Freya kills her.

[@kahleeb624]

It's extremely hard to notice on a first playthrough but kratos didn't simply get a lucky punch off on Heimdall. The hand he cuts Heimdalls cheek with is the hand the draupnir ring is there so the ring is again what is hurting Heimdall not just a lucky punch. Also just saying but both of these games stories would literally NOT BE POSSIBLE without the changes to the way the norse myths are told. Looking alone is a MAJOR reason for why most of the major events in Norse myth happen from his tricks. So taking Loki out, or keeping him secret as a kid changes a lot of things. The fact that Tyr is shown in all prophecies and lore having both his hands despite Loki's kid fenrir bighting it off well before ragnarok is even close. Almost every change from Norse myth wasn't just simply done because they didn't know or care but because they left Loki put from the start so many events still happened but for different reasons.

[@ayaxmcgill635]

Ok it's funny but you can't deny the emotional beauty of kratos seeing his personal prophecy written by Faye, in that moment he regained that great power he released back in Greece, hope, hope in himself, hope that he can actually be better, hope that what he has can be used for good, for leading, for building

[@johndoe5940]

Who denied that? You realize that emotional shit like that is what they hope you focus on so you don’t think about all the mistakes? Worked like a charm on you lol

[@TeamIndeedJOn]

For sin #13, Thor poured Kratos and Atreus a cup, but Kratos wouldn't let him hand the cup to Atreus.

[@escapefromtibet2530]

12:59 how is that a game flaw? That's just a character flaw

[@leonpaelinck]

6:59 Sin 17 is explained in Kratos's description of Odin (or if you think about it). He was tempted to take it, but thanks to Mimir he doesn't trust Odin. And he doesn't want Odin to hurt Freya.

[@rubyarcher4760]

If the developers killed off kratos and Artemis be the protagonist in the next game it is going to be problem.

[@AllTradesGaming]

Sin 70. No. While the BOI meme is popular, the reason Kratos yells “BOY!!!” is because he’s doing something incredibly stupid. A far cry from the discipline and wisdom he’s been instilling into Atreus.

[@GodWarsX]

Sin 11 - You can clearly see the wolf's burial site outside the cave

[@Kometheus]

Lol a bunch of cope in the comments

[@dragoncrash1234]

7:40 - Thor actually does “take a piece of Kratos” because he canonically kills him in the fight then uses his lightning to restart his heart

[@shadowleviathan]

No game is without sin. Elden Ring is no exception. Every game has something wrong with it. No game is perfect.

[@snowblind9551]

It's hard to sin lore hidden in item descriptions that's extremely cryptic and up-for-interpretation though. Wouldn't make for a very compelling video, would it?

[@shadowleviathan]

@@snowblind9551 It wouldn't. Not the point I was making though. But you are correct.

[@cheeky_casual]

I just noticed the fact that Heimdall has a golden grill for some reason.

[@dontstop2517]

the problem with a lot of sins is that like atreus you trust too much about what odin says and can do.

[@liveyourdreammedia]

This game seems like one big teen drama.😂