Everything Wrong With Harry Potter & The Cursed Child - Play vs Books

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MediaRetrospective

MediaRetrospective

Ай бұрын

Why I didn't like the Cursed Child - my thoughts and review on it after reading the play. I'll also be comparing it to the original book series.

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@staceynainlab888
@staceynainlab888 28 күн бұрын
other character assassinations: Cedric becoming a death eater because he lost the Triwizard Tournament. Hermione becoming a bitter Snape-like teacher because she didn't marry Ron
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 28 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more. I wanted to cover them both in this video but it would have made it too long.
@pascalfernandes6957
@pascalfernandes6957 26 күн бұрын
Tbfcitsxan alternative timeline and Cedric doesnt read as a acual good Person in the book to me more like a pretentios boy who got evefythibg he asked for
@Jaz-nm4fw
@Jaz-nm4fw 23 күн бұрын
wtf?! That happens?? I’ve never read it but I only hear terrible things. This makes no sense
@user-xf3og4qf8c
@user-xf3og4qf8c 16 күн бұрын
​@@pascalfernandes6957Cedric is definitely a good person in the books. He has ambitions and wants to win the tournament, but he gives up on winning when he realizes it's unfair. Also, like in the third book, he wants to replay the match because Harry passed out.
@cephon6198
@cephon6198 13 күн бұрын
​@@MediaRetrospective-sb2ptof all the atrocities Cursed Child introduced, Cedric joining the death eaters is the most believable. He's the perfect guy, right? Handsome, talented, beloved by all... Nothing's ever gone wrong with his life, so who knows how he'd react to the humiliation of being cheated out of a win? We already know he and his father are extremely prideful, though Cedric plays the part of the embarrassed child before his father's praise. You could argue that it's his innate good and fair-play nature that led him to originally want to hand Harry the Triwizard win; we'd already seen him want to replay the Quidditch match from POA. But you could also argue it's his immense pride that made him act this way. He also made these choices from a position of power over Harry: it was his choice to be the nice guy. But if his immense pride in himself were to be shattered... I can see him turning bad
@NawiTheCore
@NawiTheCore 26 күн бұрын
The Cursed Child is FANFICTION. I don't consider it canon and neither should the rest of the fandom.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
Lol too true. Worst of all though, I've read much better fanfic. This isn't even a good fanfic.
@Keyboardje
@Keyboardje 20 күн бұрын
I think it's more like HATE-FICTION.
@oneautumnleaff2119
@oneautumnleaff2119 16 күн бұрын
sucks for you considering its canon
@mollydaughterofduck1484
@mollydaughterofduck1484 16 күн бұрын
And bad fanfiction at that
@thunderstar254
@thunderstar254 14 күн бұрын
Easily of the worst ones ever written. Middle schoolers in the early 2000s wrote better fanfic.
@sk8erm870
@sk8erm870 29 күн бұрын
Cursed Child doesn’t exist to me
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
Haha, I avoided reading it for a long time until I had to give in to make this video.
@luisecawthorne1025
@luisecawthorne1025 24 күн бұрын
I could only just finish the book & have no desire to read it again. I might go & see it if it’s released at the movies first but am not excited by its potential release
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
@@luisecawthorne1025 I'll be actively avoiding it lol. To be honest I only could bring myself to read it for the sake of making this video, fortunately it wasn't too long.
@luisecawthorne1025
@luisecawthorne1025 24 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt yes that is it the compare and contrast. It seems to me wishful thinking by the writers eg using the Time Turner to save Cedric Diggory, and I still found it hard to believe that Harry would behave to McGonnagall that way. Aside from her protection and caring of him, he’d also seen Lucius Malfoy’s treatment of Dobby, and had sympathy for Hermione’s establishing S.P.E.W
@jenniferandthings
@jenniferandthings 22 күн бұрын
​@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I read the first few chapters in store and put it down straight away. There's no way bellitrix and voldemort had a kid haha as the time line doesn't make sense 😂
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 26 күн бұрын
@Media Retrospective, Cursed Child has a lot of problems for me 1) Albus Severus Potter is in Slytherin for no reason (seriously, there’s nothing Slytherin-like about him) 2) Cedric Diggory becoming a Death Eater is My Immortal levels of idiotic 3) Harry hating the Slytherins is out of character for him after the end of the seventh book 4) A prophecy predicting going back in time and changing the past is self-undermining 5) “Voldemort Day” “über-geek” and other corny lines which don’t fit a story like this at all 6) Everything that you said For me, pretty much the only good thing about it was alternate timeline Snape knowingly getting himself subjected to the Dementor’s Kiss to save the world (though it’s not clear to me why Dumbledore’s Army trusts Snape in this timeline.)
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
All great points! Especially 1, 3 and 5 I didn't catch. Cedric was so disrespected as well it's crazy how they made him become a Death Eater. I wanted to discuss him in the video but it was getting too long.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 25 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Maybe you can make a part 2
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 25 күн бұрын
@@matityaloran9157 Yeah I'm very tempted to - then I can cover Cedric, Hermione and a few others.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 25 күн бұрын
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt, if you do, I’ll watch that video
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
Another issue with the prophecy, why would Harry Potter take it seriously? In book 3 through 6 we were absolutely beaten on the head with new examples of how they never actually tell a clear image of the future.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Yeah true, also why he takes Bane's warning 100% to heart, enough to punish Albus for it, depsite the centaurs saying the same thing that the future is unpredictable.
@InhabitantOfOddworld
@InhabitantOfOddworld 28 күн бұрын
Probably because Trelawney's prophecy at the end of PoA came true - Dumbledore didn't question it and Wormtail's escape would plague Harry's mind for months afterward - he's still thinking about it during GoF
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 28 күн бұрын
@@InhabitantOfOddworld I'm still not convinced to be honest - Dumbledore explains to Harry that the prophecy itself doesn't mean it HAS to happen, it's mostly just because Voldemort believes it and so it becomes self fulfilling. And the centaurs aren't exactly reliable throughout the main series.
@InhabitantOfOddworld
@InhabitantOfOddworld 13 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt The point is that Trelawney's powers are clearly there, even if the class think she's a fraud. She turned out correct on more than one occasion.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
I love how this channel is taking Harry Potter seriously instead of either just dismissing it or overinterpreting it as something awful like most people online do nowadays.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Thanks man much appreciated! Glad you're enjoying the videos.
@pascalfernandes6957
@pascalfernandes6957 26 күн бұрын
People firget how much love jk rowling put into the books for years and e en say stiff about her writing proces she has deconfirmed like notctaking critic when justxrecently she thought some criticism was fair. The books ar great. The play Manager to do the core aspect of the series and i thing as a play works. Jk rowling sayed the story is canon but i do not think she ment zhe way it plays out execly. She didnt write this she only createt the Plot. She did ad,id thinking of this one since atleast GoF so delfie is likely her creation at least to some degree. But xou can see the acualy wroters didnt get Ron.
@_OMister_
@_OMister_ 23 күн бұрын
My hottake is that people would just keep praising Harry Potter, not getting themselves to see problems with the writing if not for JK Rowling's controversy. I find that pretty disingenuous. The same people who were never bothered by the writing are now experts in calling out everything that's problematic or poorly written.
@elphiegleason3899
@elphiegleason3899 16 күн бұрын
I love the Harry Potter books but the play goes against all the available lore of her universe
@HunterGargoyle
@HunterGargoyle 9 күн бұрын
​@@_OMister_ i'm not saying the books are bad never read them, but my baby sister who was a fan of Harry Potter, the young woman passed before the controversy went out but still said Harry was a weak hero who couldn't save himself and that the book tortured the protagonists far beyond what was nessecary... but again i never read the books so i can only go on what she said
@spoonbendingspacemonkey
@spoonbendingspacemonkey 26 күн бұрын
I read it. I disavow it. I cut it out of my will. It's my deep love of the printed word that saves my copy from a gruesome fate.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
I resonate with this.
@kanhaibhatt913
@kanhaibhatt913 18 күн бұрын
You have a copy ? Why ?
@spoonbendingspacemonkey
@spoonbendingspacemonkey 15 күн бұрын
@@kanhaibhatt913 😂😂😂 at the time I was excited for new adventures. Then I read it. It made me sad. 🤣🤣🤣
@darken2417
@darken2417 Ай бұрын
Remember that JK Rowling is the writer who made Dumbledore gay out of nowhere for no reason and then somehow ruined the Dumbledore prequel (Fantastic Beasts 2). Like seriously how do you mess up something like that? That should have been an absolute success. This is just more of her decline. People change. She isn't in the same mindset as when she originally wrote the books, she like many others were pushed deeper into their ideology and decided that their work had to reflect their real life beliefs. When you become worried about everything else except consistency, lore and maintaining a consistent vibe then the world you are creating falls apart.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Completely agree, I love the original series but she almost seems embarrassed by what she wrote and is constantly retroactively making changes. You put it better than I could have, her mindset has clearly changed and it's a shame to see the franchise suffer as a result.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
"No he was gay, I just didn't write that in the book because it wasn't necessary." Okay whatever. Sounds like virtue-signalling without taking any real risks, but it does make some amount of sense. "In this prequel I will hint at Dumbledore being gay, but in a really vague way that only makes sense for people that have read my personal statements." ....this is pushing it.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
At least her works don't reflect her weird gender politics...that I know of at least.
@darken2417
@darken2417 Ай бұрын
@@yggdrasil2 The thing is would she have written a "hint" in the first book back in 1997 for her kid's fantasy? (No way) If not then Dumbledore was never meant to be that. He had a completely different backstory that she scrapped. Even all the way to the last book the only thing we know about Dumbledore is that he loved his dead sister dearly, the sister that didn't have a major role in the new film. Like we know that originally the person in the mirror for Dumbledore was either his whole family or just his sister. Now its the guy from the movie about wizard democracy and WWII for some reason.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
@@darken2417 I agree with you on most things except for the bit about original intent. Intent changes over time anyways.
@mart3151
@mart3151 29 күн бұрын
Finally a channel that doesn't talk sh1t on Harry Potter just for existing. Thank you so much!
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
No problem at all - glad you enjoyed the video!
@mart3151
@mart3151 29 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I see you make a lot of videos about HP. I really like that, I think I'll start following you. Keep up the good content. :)
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 28 күн бұрын
@@mart3151 Thanks very much! I'll do my best.
@FabricatedPheonix
@FabricatedPheonix 23 күн бұрын
You don't watch a lot of channels then if you think this.
@mart3151
@mart3151 23 күн бұрын
@@FabricatedPheonix Then can you tell me some other channels that talk about Harry Potter lore? Would love to learn more. :)
@user-ng7dp7fe7c
@user-ng7dp7fe7c 13 күн бұрын
Please make a par two! As I was watching the video, everything you talked about I agreed with 100% while thinking about specific moments from the books that show the behavior of the characters you analyzed and right after I quoted to myself those examples in my head you would proceed to use the same ones in the video! Read my mind lol, great video!
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 13 күн бұрын
Thanks very much! Great minds think alike. There should hopefully be a part 2 coming out this week so hopefully you enjoy that as well.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
Hermione also sucks in this story. In the main timeline she is a weak authority no one takes seriously and in the second one she is bitter over the fact that she never got married. It's pretty insulting.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Yeah completely agree. I really wanted to cover Hermione as well but I realised the video was already quite long lol. I might do a part 2 though.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Yeah, it's less of a misunderstanding and more just making the character lame.
@Quinyel
@Quinyel 13 күн бұрын
The thought of Voldemort having a child alone is just so... unbelievable. :D
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 13 күн бұрын
Haha I know right, it's so wild they expected us to take it seriously.
@WarmPotato
@WarmPotato 29 күн бұрын
I love how small youtubers respond to all the comments X)
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
Thanks! Yeah one benefit of having a small channel is you get to interact directly with the viewers.
@brony_in_the_sticks
@brony_in_the_sticks 19 күн бұрын
This, Delphine wouldn't have existed because love argument is irrational. You don't need to experience the feeling of love to experience the desire to engage in sexual conduct, all it would have taken is him to become like that Bellatrix to offer herself and then her to convince him that keeping the child would have been beneficial to his army because of his power and her loyalty for that character to come into existence. And the teaching her his special talents, also makes sense. As if the only reason you're keeping her around is because she's a weapon you can use you don't want your weapon to be weak.
@LillanaMeadows-zc9tj
@LillanaMeadows-zc9tj 25 күн бұрын
Was the all of the Dursleys just forgotten? Not only is his character defined by his love for others. But shouldn't Harry know what it feels like to be talked down to and belittled like that? And maybe I don't know, think before he says something like that to his OWN SON? He couldn't be a bad dad because his situation with the Dursleys was horrible? He was basically given the book on how NOT to treat family! I guess that would be expecting the writers to have cared or even just paid a smidge of attention
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more, you said it perfectly. It's horrible to see the writers portray Harry the way they did after everything he's been through, it's actually insulting to his character.
@Keyboardje
@Keyboardje 20 күн бұрын
I call it "The Cursed Play" or "The Play we do not Name", and refused from the beginning to consider it anything remotely like canon to Harry Potter. It's the opposite.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 20 күн бұрын
I managed to avoid it for so long, but I had to read it to make this video.
@OpticalSorcerer
@OpticalSorcerer Ай бұрын
A collaborative work, a solo book, and a time travel-heavy story just wasn't the right move, it seems. I definitely would've enjoyed seeing an original Ilvermorny story--perhaps a fixed version of Iseult's foundation of the school (ie using animals instead of mythical creatures, having her husband be Native American for making sure the school isn't just European influenced, making it a story of collaboration rather than colonization, etc.)
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Completely agreed. I think either a totally different time setting, or a different geographic setting, would have been much better. Unfortunately authors always do the opposite with their sequels, maybe because they don't have confidence in a new original setting without their established characters.
@OpticalSorcerer
@OpticalSorcerer Ай бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I also feel like it's pressure; people just want to make money off of a familiar property, and I wouldn't be shocked if her publisher told her that doing something directly related to HP would be more financially safe. And while Ilvermorny is the most explored school outside of Hogwarts (even if it's too small, considering the USA population alone is 5 times the size of the UK's and Ilvermorny for some reason represents ALL OF NORTH AMERICA), Rowling would have to build a new environment and do a lot of research on NA and modern American cultures. Doing a different school was probably seen as too much work for diminishing returns--plus if it was school-centric, people would want sequels to it. I wish the new HP show that's being developed was also an original Ilvermorny story, but I know the money lies with Harry Potter.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
@@OpticalSorcerer Question: Is really Ilvermony the only school in North America and if it is, is it really that dramatically bad? I hear this sentiment a lot ("Harry Potter has so bad worldbuilding they only have one school per continent"), but not only do they constantly mention in the books that Hogwarts is but one of many schools in Britain, indicating that the same thing goes for other places, wizards are pretty rare overall so do they really need that many schools in the first place?
@OpticalSorcerer
@OpticalSorcerer Ай бұрын
@@yggdrasil2 Thanks for asking! I've never heard of Hogwarts being one of many schools in Britain. It'd make more sense though, given that Britain's population is over 66 million and it's hard to believe that the magic population aged 11-17 at Hogwarts is only 1,000. Ilvermorny is the only school in North America mentioned among the others throughout the world, but to answer your question: YES, Ilvermorny being the only school in the continent would be bad. North America includes the USA, Canada, and Mexico, all of which have unique cultures and traditions (ie languages and social norms), and these countries are MUCH larger than the UK in terms of population and land mass, meaning Ilvermorny would have to be massive and would not have a cohesive and consistent learning style. For example, Mexico, Caribbean countries, and US territories mainly speak Spanish and French, while English is the dominant language spoken in modern Canada and the continental USA. Castelobruxo has a similar issue being the only school in South America: it was founded by Native Americans, but has a Portuguese name, being in Brazil--despite the fact that in modern times, most SA countries speak Spanish, so having it placed in Brazil, a Portuguese-speaking nation, wasn't the best idea (I'm assuming Rowling chose it based on land mass, but Colombia would've been better due many saying it has the easiest dialect of Spanish to understand and is the 4th largest country in South America). And as far as I know, Rowling doesn't mention the rarity of wizards/witches outside the UK, but she did say that very few purebloods came to America--though this kinda contradicts her statement that blood purity was more important than race, which couldn't be true if most of America's European wizarding population was half-bloods or No-Maj-borns, as they'd be exposed to No-Maj racism. And since the population outside of the UK is never explored, we have no idea how big the wizarding communities are, potentially making the potential Ilvermorny school size much bigger.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
@@OpticalSorcerer I see, thanks! But yes, there are mentions of more British schools even if they don't go into that much detail. In book 1 Hagrid says that Hogwarts is the finest magic school in the country, when Hogwarts briefly becomes mandatory by law in book 7, Lupin mentions the other schools (as well as the home-schooling being an option). So I think it's implied that the same thing goes for other countries. It's kinda funny how fantasy series like Dune, LOTR, ASOIAF and Harry Potter manage to be super-popular but still have all of these misconceptions.
@thor6519
@thor6519 22 күн бұрын
I would definitely be interested in a part 2. I absolutely detest this play and it I think single-handedly attempted to dig the series’ grave. I love this franchise and hope that, someday, Rowling comes to her senses and says this play is NOT canon
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
Thanks man. A few people have said it so I'll probably go with a part 2. I have one video to do next though before I do part 2 of this.
@xelldincht4251
@xelldincht4251 29 күн бұрын
i read the 7 books except this one. This feels like bad fanfiction
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
Too true. I've read some decent fanfic in the past as well by authors with a lot more care for the series.
@chelseyriley7048
@chelseyriley7048 18 күн бұрын
I was so so excited to read a continuation of Harry Potter. I purchased thhis screenplay from Walmart for around $19….i read it and aside from a super small amount of content I enjoyed I was thourougjly disappointed. I wanted to return the book thats how much disdain I held for it, Out of sheer convenience of location I tried returning it at a target, and it worked! The price of the book was around $25… Soooo….even though it’s not nearly what it should have been,… technically I made a small profit from reading the cursed child 😂 …as I should have
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 18 күн бұрын
Haha, the least it could do for you was turn a profit so glad you got it! But yeah I can't imagine the disappointment of getting it on release.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
19:25 Maybe I misread the books entirely, but why does adult Harry have the scar here? I thought he lost it when the horcrux part of him died, or maybe that was just how things seemed in the Limbo state.
@SnoTangerine
@SnoTangerine Ай бұрын
Nope, the scar stays for life. It's one of the last lines in the Deathly Hallows book. "The scar had not pained him for 19 years. All was well."
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
I think he still has the scar, but it's just a normal scar now not a curse one.
@commander1suv492
@commander1suv492 Ай бұрын
Your first point: it's a little disingenuous. I've read and recently seen the play performed. Harry isn't a cruel father who would just say that he doesn't want his son. There's a lot of build up of him failing to connect with Albus and then him throwing that out in the moment - which we've seen Harry do when he gets angry or annoyed, where he just blurts out a random counter point - isn't random. You're forgetting that Albus also told Harry that he wishes he wasn't his father. But immediately after Harry says he doesn't mean it and wishes to apologise. And immediately before that he attempts to connect with Albus by giving him the most important personal item he has - his blanket that Albus ends up ruining with no concern for his father. In many series' that extend the characters into parenthood they often decide to portray that element of parenthood as a flaw of their character as they struggle to adapt to it - which is realistic. The Harry in cursed child is fundamentally different than the Harry when he was 11 or 18. This is 19 years later. If he wasn't a little different or having to overcome something in the story you would be calling him a boring and stagnant character who services nothing. The scene with McGonagall is definitely uncharacteristic and I agree. I do remember how crazy that was when I watched it because it did make Harry look like a complete dick. But McGonagall gets her own get back near the end when she shouts at Hermione, Harry and Draco for being morons and they just have to take it. Dumbledore point is valid. Ron comedic relief point is valid. Although the way Ron stays with Hermione in the Voldermort world and they both die to the dementors is a little bit of his heroism - although even that is a little bit in comedic relief. The Voldermort having a daughter bit is honestly really shit and dumb ngl. Although, I felt they could have made it work some way: like if instead of Voldermort having sex he instead raped a witch just to show the generational trauma of his parents. I remember some fan theory about how Voldermort had violated Narcissa Malfoy at some point or something which could then be an interesting idea that plays on to the storyline of Scorpius being the son of Voldermort or whatever. Making Delphi like the half sister of Malfoy. But this is me actually trying to make the entire thing work. In general it's a stupid idea that didn't need to happen. The plot holes are definitely valid
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Hey man. Re: Harry, I see where you're coming from, but I still think it's out of character for Harry to say this to Albus. You're right Albus did say it first, but he's something like 13 in the scene whereas Harry is probably 30 or 40. I can see him losing his temper with his son, but saying he doesn't want him is pretty wild. But yeah overall I think you're right, the whole idea of the thing was flawed. I would have much preferred a completely different time or setting if they wanted to build on the Harry Potter world.
@commander1suv492
@commander1suv492 29 күн бұрын
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I think if you haven't you should try and get a viewing of the play. The story on paper looks bad, but when they perform it, your suspension of disbelief allows the performance to take the centre stage and you end up sort of forgetting how dumb the story is. You definitely appreciate certain aspects more simply because it's such a high quality production that it makes up for it's transgressions with interesting and innovative set pieces that leave you wondering how they've done it. Although, even despite watching it there are certain parts like the McGonagall scene and Ron's overall character and performance and Delphi's entire purpose and existence in general which makes little sense and they definitely do jump out at you even in the production.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
@@commander1suv492 To be fair to them, the production quality and special effects from the clips I've seen do look really great. The plot things I'd probably still not be too happy about though, it's the kind of thing if I got it as a present I'd go to watch it, but I wouldn't pay myself.
@realtalunkarku
@realtalunkarku 27 күн бұрын
Lmao ​@@commander1suv492
@kyleethekelt
@kyleethekelt 20 күн бұрын
I think your pointes are well made. I would just add that it would be preposterous to think that Harry - indeed the Trio - would have emerged from that whole experience psychologically unscathed despite the saccharin epilogue.
@slipstick985
@slipstick985 26 күн бұрын
If Voldemort thought he was not going to be immortal, he could have used the wizards version of invitro fertilization, but he still would be loth to share his secrets with her.
@vpenguin333
@vpenguin333 28 күн бұрын
I went to a midnight release party for the Cursed Child with a college friend, and we stayed up late reading it in horror, laughing nervously, not sure if this was a joke or a fake or if we were meant to take it seriously. I was just like "I've read better fanfics than this..." I'm pretty sure I read plenty of fanfics back in the day where Voldemort had a daughter with Bellatrix or some other similar premise and they were just as cringe as this was... and this is supposed to be canon. It's just trash.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 28 күн бұрын
Haha man I can't imagine the disappointment you and your friend must have felt. I've sadly been very cautious of everything Harry Potter related since the main series finished.
@DefileOdds
@DefileOdds 23 күн бұрын
Who's that faint background music by? It's nice.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
Hey so I've actually played around with game dev before and this song is part of a soundtrack pack I bought a while ago. If you'd like me to, I can try and check who the author of this particular one is?
@jasonflynn5481
@jasonflynn5481 18 күн бұрын
Mmm I like it too
@DefileOdds
@DefileOdds 18 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt that would be awesome thank you, good luck if you can't find it that's alright but if you do yeah I really dig it.
@DefileOdds
@DefileOdds 18 күн бұрын
@@jasonflynn5481 gotta love that deep spiritual vibe that transcends reality itself, sinking into that subconscious primal space is definitely divine if I had to describe it.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 16 күн бұрын
@@DefileOdds Hey man. I had a look and annoyingly the pack has been discontinued! All I can tell you is the track is named "Flow (Loopable)"
@Johan92Johansson
@Johan92Johansson 21 күн бұрын
I would love to get a part two of this❤
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 21 күн бұрын
Thank you! I have a different video coming out this week, but then after that I'll get working on part 2 straight away!
@elizabethtrudgill3567
@elizabethtrudgill3567 21 күн бұрын
McGonagall was like an old wise aunt to Harry. She clearly cared for him and he saw her as a guardian because he asked if she could sign his permission form for Hogsmead.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 21 күн бұрын
Yeah it was sad to see Harry treating her so poorly.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 14 күн бұрын
Hermione not becoming Minister for Magic just because she’s not with Ron is the most insulting thing other than Harry being forced to say to his child that sometimes he wishes he wasn’t his son. Hermione didn’t need Ron romantically for the MAJORITY of the series. She was always the most driven and determined character who always strived for excellence. And you’re trying to tell me that that Hermione Granger, the backbone of Team Harry, doesn’t do anything with her life because she’s not married to Ron? That is an absolute betrayal of Hermione’s character. It’s literally spitting in her face.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 14 күн бұрын
I couldn't agree more! Funnily enough I have a part 2 for this coming out later this week where I talk about exactly this with Hermione. It's insulting to her character.
@jaredrobinson7071
@jaredrobinson7071 9 сағат бұрын
I'd imagine that would be all of year one. wand muzzle control. Never point your wand at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199 29 күн бұрын
How would you feel if they made a film adaptation of it
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
Pretty disappointed. I really hope they don't, I'd rather see an original story to be honest.
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199 29 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I mean, they have done that with fantastic beasts and they’ve also adapted those back into books
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199 29 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt well, people can have their own opinions that we can’t disrespect or make fun of even if we want to. Funeral they can make changes in the subtlest ways.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
Ah yeah I haven't seen the Fantastic Beasts movies to be honest, I know the plot roughly though. Yeah people are welcome to enjoy what they like for sure.
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199 29 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I know. If someone who rather reads the books, I recommend reading the books if you’re someone who prefers watching the film adaptations, I recommend the live action
@Zanji1234
@Zanji1234 13 күн бұрын
i still can't belive that this story is so liked by fans who watched it in theater and payed the pricy tickets for Harry i could brush SOME parts away with "well he IS worried about his son and also he is dealing with a son who is full on on puberty mode so he is also annoyed" but the other characters (especially Ron) made me mad
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 12 күн бұрын
I'd be shocked to meet a genuine fan who enjoyed the Cursed Child, I don't understand how anyone can look past the massive writing flaws. There'll be a part 2 for this covering Hermione, Cedric and Dumbledore.
@Zanji1234
@Zanji1234 12 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt considering the hype and excitment when this was released in Germany and the full on "OMG IT WAS SOOO GOOOD" from fans ... i was kinda confused. Ok maybe seeing it on stage makes you forget the flaws ..
@erichmyles4481
@erichmyles4481 29 күн бұрын
If book 7 harry were in the room when old him talked to Mcgonagall loke that hed have beat his own ass
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 29 күн бұрын
Hahah I agree 100%.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 26 күн бұрын
Definitely
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199 29 күн бұрын
2:57 “that’s the worse this you could ever say to your kid.”
@readingdino711
@readingdino711 26 күн бұрын
I'm doing a rewrite of Harry Potter (for fun not to write a better book than the og, I just want to add more content to the story and make it more adult, but removing the animal abuse, because that's what I'd like to read alongside the books) and I've got so many plans for my cursed child rewrite already, just from analyzing the HP characters and tweaking them to how I prefer writing their archetypes. I haven't read the cursed child, but even just the epilogue of the original was bad enough for me not to want to read it (like why is Harry a wizard cop and why didn't the system change that brought up Voldy to be who he was? I just hate the ending in general, it could've been longer, could've explored things more, could've been better and I know I won't be able to write something better, just something I'd prefer). I've also changed up the pairings, including Luna being in a queerplatonic relationship with Neville, or Harry and Draco dating, just to quell my inner shipper, who basically saw this as canon for years before watching the last movie. I also still need to read all of the books, I've only fully read books 1&3 and partially read the last book (mainly just the last chapter and epilogue). Edit: Btw, I'm rewriting the story with more of a basis in Celtic mythology and I think I'll do a POV from both Harry and Draco, since it's a fanfic and I prefer my fanfics to be much longer than regular books, but with short chapters. But I'm still only in the planning phase, collecting trigger warnings and things I need sensitivity readers for, because I know I make a ton of mistakes at all times.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 25 күн бұрын
Yeah I have to say, even though I really love the original series, I'm not a fan of the final epilogue chapter. But since it was just a single chapter I didn't dwell on it too much and kind of put it out of my head. Getting an angle from Celtic mythology sounds really interesting. I do love a good fanfic so I hope you complete your story and maybe you can send it my way.
@readingdino711
@readingdino711 25 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Yeah, though this is gonna take a while because I first need to read the books and annotate them thoroughly and then plan out everything I want to include (including Neville getting more screentime). So I'm not sure if I'll remember to comment on your channel once I've started uploading it (which will be after I finish rewriting the first book).
@TGWTGCensored
@TGWTGCensored 29 күн бұрын
16:14 What's even the point of the girl not asking at that point?
@ExoFan-n8e
@ExoFan-n8e Ай бұрын
Great analysis will definitely subscribe
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Thanks much appreciated!
@wariolandgoldpiramid
@wariolandgoldpiramid 16 күн бұрын
This was really good. But honestly, too short. I would love to watch you rant about this for an hour or more. I'm sure there are so many more things to critisize about Cursed Child.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 15 күн бұрын
Thank you! Haha I could have gone longer to be honest but I wasn't sure if people would want such a long video. I'll probably do a part 2 of this to cover some of the characters I missed here, but maybe I can think about doing longer videos in the future.
@TheEmeraldWeirdo
@TheEmeraldWeirdo 14 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt "I wasn't sure people would want such a long video." Dude, there are 3-4 hour-long video essays out there that have hundreds of thousands of views. People clearly want to watch long videos.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 14 күн бұрын
@@TheEmeraldWeirdo Yeah true. I feel like I need to build up to such a long video though, but I'll work on it.
@ninclow5421
@ninclow5421 28 күн бұрын
Please make a part two!
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 28 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video! If you'd like it I'll definitely aim to make it.
@ninclow5421
@ninclow5421 27 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Glad to hear it! 😀
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 26 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2ptI would like you to make it
@matejmatuska6700
@matejmatuska6700 26 күн бұрын
I did read the unfinished fanfiction harry potter and nightmares of future past that did different timelines from what we can read way better and harry there isnt broken to this point at all he is extremely even frightingly more emotional and all his bad decisions are steming from that I 100% advise to read it just if you are yonger than 15-18 rather wait its very drastic
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
It sounds intriguing but did you say its unfinished? I'm always careful reading unfinished fanfics because a lot of them tend to end up abandoned.
@matejmatuska6700
@matejmatuska6700 4 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt its still worth it so I would recomend reading it ps I still think that belatrix could forcefully force voldemort to have a baby and we never get indication that voldemort didnt had something more for her remember we still didnt see voldemort being ready to murder belatrix in any shape or form and he screemed when she died so I think that that plotline is best and best fitting of the whole play in books we never get informations about intimate love in voldemort just that he cant and desnt want friends or normal romantic partner and mainly no one knows him past his school years dumbledore included why then would he make naginy a horcrux if not for small love for her its still human which he must know and alive so we can guess that dumbledore is just fliping facts in his scenes and have narative of peaple dont change at all.
@FabricatedPheonix
@FabricatedPheonix 23 күн бұрын
I get this is a good video, but i don't understnad the whole "Finally a channel thay doesnt crap talk HP." Do any of you people actually watch harry potter content? Criticizing something is different than hating on it
@PotterBrony82
@PotterBrony82 15 күн бұрын
I already wasn’t enjoying it, it read like a fanfic. A bad one. But I kept plugging along, thinking that maybe if it was written as a novel it might have worked, maybe seeing it as the play would be better. Then the moment it was revealed that Voldemort had a daughter, I closed the book and never opened it again. For the reasons that you mentioned, the level of intimacy needed to have a child would make his skin crawl. And even if it was artificial insemination, why would he need an heir? Because as far as he knew he was immortal. And as much as it was clear that Bellatrix desires it, she could never have forced Voldemort. And if she used a love potion? If it even worked on him, the second he came out of it, he would definitely have killed her and the daughter for that. Not to mention that he would never want to pass on the blood of his worthless muggle father.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 15 күн бұрын
Completely in agreement with you, and great point about his father. I didn't think of that but you're right, Dumbledore even makes a point to explain to Harry how Voldemort obliterated his bloodline so he'd be the only one left, which would appeal to him, he wanted to think of himself as "special". Another failing of the play.
@chidmania8485
@chidmania8485 17 күн бұрын
Bravo. I made it a point not to read Cursed Child, so I read the plot summary on Wikipedia instead. And I found my worst fears indeed realized. It just doesn't get the characters. I've argued with ppl how it's very very uncharacteristic and improbable that Voldemort would have a child - with anybody, including Bellatrix. I think it's the movie fans rather than the book fans who think there's such a possibility, given the portrayal of both characters in the movies. But Voldemort in the books would never stoop so low. Thought far too highly of himself and was completely uninterested in such things.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 17 күн бұрын
Thanks! You're completely right, tbh I'd heard it wasn't good so I avoided reading it for the longest time.
@BrandonFlint-ro2ns
@BrandonFlint-ro2ns 6 күн бұрын
I could write a 20 page essay on my issues with CC. So instead I'll just list out my biggest ones. 1: Voldemort has a child. Do I need to go into further detail about why this is BS? 2: Harry treats his kid like crap despite being treated like crap his entire time growing up. He should have a manual on what NOT to do. 3: Cedric becomes a Death Eater because he lost a competition. Really? 4. Time travel not working even remotely close to how it does in the OG series. You can't change the timeline. 5. Snape is alive for some reason despite not making any sense whatsoever. He should still 100% be dead.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 6 күн бұрын
You're 100% right on every point. I've said to others on this video that I feel like the writers don't even like Harry Potter that much, or at least don't really care for it. I spoke about Cedric in my part 2 video of this, and also number 5 is a great point Snape being still at Hogwarts (and also not the headmaster for some reason even if he has to be there) doesn't make sense. There's also a lot of smaller stuff I didn't like but didn't want to just list out in a video. "Voldemort day" is really cheesy, and the whole plot thread of people thinking Scorpius is Voldemort's kid makes no sense (the timelines don't even match up).
@SpartanHoplite360
@SpartanHoplite360 Ай бұрын
Modern culture loves the deconstruction of the hero- see Luke Skywalker, Indie Jones etc
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
Great point, it makes me a little sad to see all our heroes ruined in new media. Just for a change, I'd like to see a sequel that really treats the original characters and series with respect.
@condeuiosandilixtos7858
@condeuiosandilixtos7858 Ай бұрын
As a guy who very much enjoyed the Sequels, but disliked The Cursed Child, I think that modern iterations of franchises / heroes are on to something. Whilst I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, I believe that there's great value in having former heroes fail in their middle ages. Yes, you can aspire to be a force for good just like them. But no triumph is eternal, you aren't perfect. You don't know everything. You will fail and you will most likely become bitter for one reason or another. But there is time to snap out of it and make the best of what you have. Rekindle the spark you lost and be there for those you love and need you. And whilst it may seem dismal, it's realistic. Just like the perfect Instagram routine and body shape aren't attainable, a flawless human being is impossible. Even old mythologies have terribly flawed heroes and gods.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
I disagree. The point is not to deconstruct heroes in general, more to see how they react to new situations and contexts. I don't mind Luke in the new Star Wars movies (haven't seen the new Indy movie, not that interested). I'm not sure if youy're aware of just how flawed Harry was in the original books, the issue is not that The Cursed Child tried to "deconstruct" him, it's that the writers were trying to force specific drama out of characters that weren't really written for it in the first place.
@yggdrasil2
@yggdrasil2 Ай бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Can you give an example of what you mean?
@SpartanHoplite360
@SpartanHoplite360 28 күн бұрын
I think the trope of deconstruction is long past its due date. It's boring and repetitive at this point, nobody can get excited about watching their heroes get torn down again and again. Sure it's realistic but I don't consume fiction, whether movies or books, for doses of hard reality.
@frimatt5355
@frimatt5355 22 күн бұрын
It would have been better if there was a Delphi but she not evil like her father but kind. She meets Albus and Scorpio then they go back in time to actually try to defeat voldemort before he can kill so many and they screwed up and harry, ron, and hermione, and ginny had to go back and fix the mistake made by the children.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 21 күн бұрын
I think it was a mistake to introduce time travel at all, it's never really done well. It'd have been better to go with something completely different, and maybe not even about Harry's kids.
@DekaNovelist
@DekaNovelist 9 күн бұрын
I really regret liking the Cursed Child, i was 14 years old when the play and script book came out in 2016, and I thought it was a rather decent story. As an adult, i am embarrassed at how the writers contradicted the original 7 books and ruined the characters we know and love, especially Harry since he's my favorite character, and I hated the way he was mischaracterized in the Cursed Child, smh. I'm also disappointed that the other Next Gen kids James II, Lily II, Hugo and Rose didn't get more screentime, and I thought James would look after Albus, but we didn't see any of that in the story. I hated how it tried to ruin the Goblet of Fire since that's my favorite installment in the series. Cedric becomes a Death Eater after losing the Triwizard Tournament? That's just nonsensical. And how did Voldemort even fall in love with Bellatrix, despite not feeling any genuine love for her and any characters? It does not make any sense. The story's only redeeming qualities are Scorpius' relationship with Albus, and Draco's redemption arc since those are the only good parts of the Cursed Child.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 9 күн бұрын
Hey, to be honest there's a lot of stuff I watched and enjoyed as a kid that I later realised had a lot of flaws. I'm a huge fan of the original Harry Potter series, even more than a decade later as an adult, so it makes me sad to see them not being respected. I dropped a part 2 for this if you'd like to see it, where I talk about Cedric/Hermione/Dumbledore. But agree with you there are very few redeeming qualities for this play.
@brony_in_the_sticks
@brony_in_the_sticks 19 күн бұрын
Okay so, when it comes to fan-made works which is what this is, unless the creation is a trauma release item, no author should be allowed to stop someone from creating fan works or even letting them get popular. What they should do is defend their own Creation in the world's they create by saying that this isn't Canon to their universe it's a completely different universe. Under no circumstance should copyright protection be used to stifle freedom of expression
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 18 күн бұрын
I'm a big fan of fanfiction, I've read quite a few, but when you're writing an official sequel that's meant to be treated as canon I think you really have to respect the original material.
@wrdreads4742
@wrdreads4742 26 күн бұрын
Completely agree
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@JazzSpott
@JazzSpott 12 күн бұрын
I thought it was the best harry potter story, but i understand and respect your opinion
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 12 күн бұрын
Thanks, fair enough likewise.
@wrdreads4742
@wrdreads4742 26 күн бұрын
The James Potter published book series by Norman Lippert is a much better story for this point in time and characters. And that has an American wizard with a Yeti core wand....
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
I had no idea this series was a thing, I looked it up and it seems like it's official semi-fanfic? Very interesting idea! Do you recommend it?
@wrdreads4742
@wrdreads4742 23 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I haven't gotten far into it, but it's amusing. Would recommend.
@liaartist3671
@liaartist3671 23 күн бұрын
There is at least one thing that I really liked about it: the situation of Draco, his wife, son and his wife’s situation
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 23 күн бұрын
I have to say I wasn't a fan of this. It felt really odd and out of place that Draco was constantly dealing with rumours that Scorpius was Voldemort's son. Why would anyone think this? The ages don't even match up.
@liaartist3671
@liaartist3671 23 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I don’t remember that part 😅 I meant their relation and his wife’s curse
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
@@liaartist3671 Ah right haha gotcha - yeah that bit was good.
@WTKB82
@WTKB82 23 күн бұрын
I’m sorry but I 100% think cursed child portrays a REALISTIC version of Harry, flaws and progression. Harry grew up emotionally abused and then immediately becomes a celebrity, a hero, and a wizard where he is famed and the center of attention. Of course he wants his kids to walk the path he did. To go to hogwarts, make friends, be gryffindors, okay quidditch and of course he would be unable to connect with a son who is nothing like him. This feels like a natural progression of Harry’s character based on his backstory and personality.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
We'll have to agree to disagree to be honest, because I really can't see Harry ending up how he did in the Cursed Child. The only thing I thought was potentially interesting was Albus feeling overwhelmed by Harry's legacy and struggling to live up to it. It was horribly handled, but maybe it could have been done well if written differently.
@pascalfernandes6957
@pascalfernandes6957 26 күн бұрын
To me the plot eorks and eould have been another great jk rowling novel but jack thorn had to ruin it. I get changes for thecplay had to happen but still. I can also understand why jo didnt want this plot to ever be written . She aculy managed to move away from harry potter and nowits a side project for her that she cheridhes why she lets other people write in it . And Albus and scorpis as a focus was a good idea that again jo would have been better suitet to explore in a book series . Infact imagine lets say 5 books building up the timeturner mistery . To me it makes sense that the corruption would never fully go away as ther ar always bad people. Hetmionie made sense too with ther knewledge and its very humen of her to fail to resist the temptation. The books even show this that only harry is strong enough learned enough. He is the voice of reason wich works too. Only Ron got ruind a bit even if we can argue its guided by grief fror Fred. Overall a cool idea terrible executet and therfor im good eith the plot summery .
@hichewies
@hichewies 21 күн бұрын
all of the time turners were destroyed in the order of the phoenix, jk specifically had them written out of the story because they caused too many plot holes :/. the main plot makes no sense, has the biggest amount of plot convenience i've seen so far, and misunderstands time turners. time turners can't go back decades, only a few hours. nothing about this story makes sense, cope
@zemejal
@zemejal 22 күн бұрын
I agree that the plot doesn’t make sense, however, because in terms of characters, one would be deluded to think we would be the same in our 30s or 40s as we were in our teens. We change as we age, and much more when we have children. To expect Harry to be fundamentally the same after X number of years is not realistic.
@kesemstudio
@kesemstudio 22 күн бұрын
But Harry took a 180°
@zemejal
@zemejal 22 күн бұрын
@@kesemstudio well, he does love his son, and he has a terrible relationship with him. He took the path he though would work. And of course, later regretted it as I recall him telling off Dumbledore for his horrible guidance. If anything, to me it looked very human, because Harry is an adult, he has his own family now, and he is still processing his traumatic and abusive childhood... hence his dreams. He became what he hated for a "greater good", but later came to his senses... I don't know... seems very human to me.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 21 күн бұрын
To be honest, I think the main problem is we don't really see a Harry who has logically progressed from his younger self, we get a Harry that fundamentally contradicts the character's essential nature.
@BlackVeilSavior
@BlackVeilSavior 21 күн бұрын
Mirror of Er is Ed not eh-ris-ed
@luisecawthorne1025
@luisecawthorne1025 24 күн бұрын
Tip of the iceberg! There’s so much wrong that you’ve barely started. For me 1 glaring thing is there are/were 4 Hogwarts houses, yet there is almost an obsession between family members going into the same house. Again there is book disrespect. When Voldemort reaches Hogwarts he says something like “we can get rid of the Sorting Hat, there will be no more Houses at Hogwarts, only that of my noble ancestor, Salazar Slytherin”. Plus the over importance by the adult characters on Gryffindor & Slyherin. Again referencing the series Hermione is asked by Terry Boot in Dumbledores Army “With brains like yours why aren’t you in Ravenclaw”? In Cursed Child, Ron tells Rose “thank God you inhererited your mothers brains Rosie, make sure you beat him (Scorpius) in every test” Rose could have been in Ravenclaw & one of the others in Hufflepuff.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
All good points - to be honest to cover absolutely everything the video would have ended up an hour long so I tried to focus on the major things I saw. I'm tempted to make a part 2 though.
@luisecawthorne1025
@luisecawthorne1025 24 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt yes there’s a lot to discuss, and with my point about the Houses, going against tradition can provide redemption. Even though Regulus was sorted into Slytherin & Sirius into Gryffindor, they both contributed to Voldemort’s demise by not rigidly following family history. With Draco Malfoy, he accepted being sorted into Slytherin as family tradition, but when push came to shove didn’t have the cold-blooded prejudices of his father, and preferred a happy marriage rather than subject his son to the same bullying & disappoval from Lucius. We never found out why he didn’t give Harry up at Malfoy Manor. It could have been as Phineas Nigellus said in Order of the Phoenix “We Slytherins are brave yes, but not stupid. Given the choice; we will always save our own skins first”. A lot more to make another video, please 😊
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
@@luisecawthorne1025 Great observations, I didn't think about it in that depth with the houses. I have 1 different video likely coming out next, then after that video I'll go back and do a part 2 for this.
@nelkosme3734
@nelkosme3734 13 күн бұрын
I don't think that the book is written by someone who doesn't care for the characters. They do, that is why they went to such a length to destroy them. They just hate that they themselves are unable to CREATE such characters, so destroy they go...oh, and they tick all the boxes of the "modern" entertainment on the way. This has happened to all the beloved franchises so...the "authors" just fulfilled their assignment...
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 13 күн бұрын
I think you're right...I hate this modern trend of destroying established characters and stories. It's got so tiresome, and it's always by authors who mistakenly think they're as good as the original writer, and seem to resent adapting a non original series. In the case of Cursed Child it's even more confusing, because I don't know why JKR would allow this. She honestly seems embarrassed by what she wrote.
@Splashstar216
@Splashstar216 9 күн бұрын
This play was literally the gay love story between Albus and Scorpius confirmed by the playwrights. They are in their 4th year. Most full-blown romances tend to start 6th yr. In the final updated version, all scenes alluding to straight pairs were deleted. 🎉 and Albus tells Harry in the end that Scorpius will always be the most important person in his life and Harry's reaction: 'He looks at his son. He knows this is important. He smiles. He knows.' So any critique that missed out on the whole point of the play (the gay love) should be entirely dismissed. The time turner fiasco was merely happening around the main storyline (the love story). Homophobes stay mad lol.
@sayakamaisono3656
@sayakamaisono3656 Ай бұрын
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Ай бұрын
❤️
@julieeeee778
@julieeeee778 29 күн бұрын
760. Points. Julie. 😊🎉❤gryffindor. Hogwarts house 🏡
@grandmastermario3695
@grandmastermario3695 22 күн бұрын
Harry basically becomes like Vernon
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
Yeah it's sad to see.
@matityaloran9157
@matityaloran9157 26 күн бұрын
12:01, the movie version of Ron is still way better than this version of Ron
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 26 күн бұрын
You're right, but it's sadly such a low bar that was set by the movies.
@littlebadwolf8129
@littlebadwolf8129 19 күн бұрын
Not only did she allow this to be made, but she's tweeted that this should be thought of as canon. I'm fairly sure it was a Tweet. She wants us to think this play is canon with the books. That statement made her lose all credibility and trustworthiness in my eyes when it comes to works based on Harry Potter. Because obviously she's lost touch with and any respect for her own creation.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 19 күн бұрын
I think your final sentence hits the nail on the head. JKR has lost touch with her own series and characters, which is sad to see.
@sahilhossain8204
@sahilhossain8204 18 күн бұрын
Lore of Everything Wrong With Harry Potter & The Cursed Child - Play vs Books momentum 100
@Jay_Walker92
@Jay_Walker92 20 күн бұрын
The way I see it Voldemort is still a man with working anatomy....at the end of the day he's gonna wanna knock something down😂.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 20 күн бұрын
Haha, I don't know man Voldemort's body is pretty messed up.
@EN-mh4og
@EN-mh4og 24 күн бұрын
I always thought that there wasn't enough human left in Voldemort to have children or "tools" to make them
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
I thought the exact same. I seriously doubt Voldemort could procreate with his deformed body.
@EN-mh4og
@EN-mh4og 24 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt it would have been better if the real twist was that she wasn't Voldemort's daughter. That she was either some delusional chick or the lestrange was lying to her
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 23 күн бұрын
@@EN-mh4og Bellatrix lying to her makes so much more sense! I can completely see that happening.
@EN-mh4og
@EN-mh4og 20 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I think you mean her husband. She is dead at this point
@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470
@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 Ай бұрын
Woah
@jenniferandthings
@jenniferandthings 22 күн бұрын
Curse child contradicts the ending of the series. Harrys scar should not be able to hurt at all
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
Yeah I mentioned it at the end of the video. One mistake amongst so many, did the writers even read the main series properly?
@jenniferandthings
@jenniferandthings 22 күн бұрын
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I bet they didn't, I've read harry potter fanfiction that's better than curse child 😂 as everyone is so out of character
@asemmel695
@asemmel695 17 күн бұрын
Stop stop. You’re saying it wrong it’s eer-eh-said. Not er-ice-d.
@currentlyeatingpies1274
@currentlyeatingpies1274 25 күн бұрын
Sounds to me like the Cursed Child is one of the greatest works of parody and comedy ever written.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 25 күн бұрын
Lol a masterpiece in that sense.
@someinteresting
@someinteresting 7 күн бұрын
The line "no way, José" is so out of character for kids born in 21. century. The most of the play reads as a not very good fan-fiction. There are one, at most two, moments that sound in tone with the series.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 7 күн бұрын
Is that an actual line from the play? That's very awkward lol I must have missed that. Yeah I've read so much better fanfic written by actual fans of the series.
@someinteresting
@someinteresting 7 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Yes, it is so strange for it to be said by anyone outside the US, let alone a wizard. And this isn’t the only strange use of words.
@amethystb12345
@amethystb12345 10 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this video LMAO I only ever heard the audio of this crap shit -- now I can see that the main characters would change but not without reason...if we were given a reason as to why Harry changed so much then I would be able to accept this drastic character change more easily...along with the others.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 10 күн бұрын
No problem! Yeah it's pretty crazy what they did. The second part for this is out tomorrow if you're interested.
@amethystb12345
@amethystb12345 10 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt awesome I'm currently working on a HP fanfic & I'll be changing the personalities of some characters such as Harry but I will be explaining why
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 9 күн бұрын
@@amethystb12345 I love fanfics! Feel free to send yours over my way once you've made some progress with it.
@amethystb12345
@amethystb12345 9 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt oh wow that's awesome thank you
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199
@akiraevangelionultimateali5199 26 күн бұрын
If the other twin lived they would of made them be in an incestous relationship
@grandmastermario3695
@grandmastermario3695 22 күн бұрын
Harry definitely needs help dealing with his trauma issues and whatever
@andrewshearsby8125
@andrewshearsby8125 28 күн бұрын
I call this mess "Harry Potter and the non Canon fanfic"
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 28 күн бұрын
I just can't understand why JK Rowling would be happy giving this story the official nod.
@andrewshearsby8125
@andrewshearsby8125 28 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt no clue I swear she went crazy after the money came in...
@vojislavS8652
@vojislavS8652 24 күн бұрын
The only thing cursed here are the eyes for having read this poor excuse of a sequel and unnecessary waste of usable paper
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
Haha love this.
@user-mk5ld5wu4c
@user-mk5ld5wu4c 14 күн бұрын
That’s just called lazy work by the writers
@lorpuz4664
@lorpuz4664 22 күн бұрын
on this video i just remembered how missunderstood the character of ron is. he is more than just a comedic releef. he can be smart and stupidly brave. the movies really screw his character over and in turn this atempt of a "sequel" to the books
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 22 күн бұрын
It makes me legit sad how badly Ron is treated in everything other than the main series.
@lazycat836
@lazycat836 21 күн бұрын
This crap wasn't written by JK Rowling was it? Harry hating his son for "not being talented in school" is quite stupid because Harry himself wasn't either. Most of his unique abilities, including talking to snakes comes down from the Voldemort side that lived in him. And his great potion skill came from Snape's notes in the textbook. Harry wasn't knowledgable like Hermione during first years either. His only talent is being a Seeker in Quidditch which he inherited from James Potter, his dad. Besides that, Harry was just an average student whose outstanding qualities were his bravery, righteousness and care for others (also got a lot of luck and plot armor as well) Some of the actions Harry were doing, besides being illegal and cruel, could easily land him an Avada Kedavra on the back when he's not looking or a poisoned drink If that's how he treated close people who cared for him and actually knew him, how would he treat his fellow colleagues and strangers? People who would have no reason to hold back if they're pissed and wouldn't hesitate to assassinate him or his family members
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 21 күн бұрын
All great points, couldn't agree more. Apparently JKR wrote the original story and then it was adapted by somebody else to be a play. I actually can't wrap my head around why she'd write it like this. JKR has been an absolute menace when it comes to Harry Potter outside of the core books.
@lazycat836
@lazycat836 21 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Either someone used a Confundus charm on JKR during the writing or the adapter just change how characters behave but still kept their names and most key events Though I wouldn't be surprised if the publishers saw the rising fame of the movies and asked JKR to continue expanding on HP franchise when she didn't want to and just went with the dumbest plots imaginable out of spite so they wouldn't bother her again
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 21 күн бұрын
@@lazycat836 Haha. I'd like to believe it was a Confundus charm, so I don't have to think about her tanking her own series.
@kingdomkeycrafter
@kingdomkeycrafter 22 күн бұрын
Yaaaaaaayyy…..
@AlteredNova04
@AlteredNova04 18 күн бұрын
The only good Harry Potter media released after the original books and movies is Hogwarts Legacy, and JK Rowling had nothing to do with that. She no longer seems to have any passion, interest, or even respect for the franchise that made her famous, and her ideological beliefs have changed so much that she no longer seems to even understand the characters she created. I wish she'd just sell off the rights to someone else who actually still cares about it.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 17 күн бұрын
Yeah she unfortunately seems embarrassed or maybe just disconnected from the original series she created. She'd never sell the rights, but I wonder if she'd license writers who actually care about the series and the characters, as opposed to whatever the cursed child was.
@Durpasaurus
@Durpasaurus 11 күн бұрын
Harry Potter and the book that shouldn’t f*cking exist
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 11 күн бұрын
If only JKR had agreed with this we would have been spared.
@boiyonetta
@boiyonetta 13 күн бұрын
Cursed child sounds like a cursed bootleg
@diamonddead8162
@diamonddead8162 18 күн бұрын
Why didn’t Rowling just right a better story herself
@edselgreaves6503
@edselgreaves6503 13 күн бұрын
Because all her talent disappeared after 2001.
@atavious2491
@atavious2491 20 күн бұрын
The fact that this story exists and JK Rowling says that it's canon (even when there's evidence that she didn't write the whole thing) really makes me lose faith and credibility in JK Rowling as an author and makes not want to be invested in the wizarding world anymore. JK Rowling ruined her own franchise and audience with this one edition. It's that bad! Fantastic Beasts didn't do anything to save the franchise and is quite a forgettable prequel series. No one is going to care about the reboot series when it comes out. The only thing that exists to me are the movies and that's it. At least that's what I'm used to seeing from this franchise.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 20 күн бұрын
Yeah it's sad to see that JKR is actually the biggest threat to the Harry Potter franchise lol. I feel like she's maybe embarrassed by what she wrote before? Or something weird is going on...
@atavious2491
@atavious2491 19 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt yeah, I'm not even sure if she really did mean those words or it was all a big setup and the fan base is overreacting. Just now, the Curse Child sucked and I question the future of her career.
@Fyrdman
@Fyrdman 19 күн бұрын
No.1 Its Harry Potter related
@jpeckdraws3932
@jpeckdraws3932 14 күн бұрын
I was sad I never saw this now I’m glad I didn’t 😂
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 14 күн бұрын
Haha consider yourself lucky I reckon!
@jpeckdraws3932
@jpeckdraws3932 14 күн бұрын
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt haha fr tho
@Offwithhishead_
@Offwithhishead_ 14 күн бұрын
It was the worst thing I have ever seen in my whole life
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 14 күн бұрын
I'm with you lol
@ingvildva
@ingvildva 20 күн бұрын
Cursed Child is a joke. Literal joke.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 19 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more.
@user-wl6yz6uc7g
@user-wl6yz6uc7g 25 күн бұрын
The Cursed Child is garbage it twisted the characters more than the movies did and used what happened in the movies instead of the books to me it is not Canon and should not even have the association with the Harry Potter name.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 24 күн бұрын
The movies had already set a low bar but Cursed Child was somehow even worse.
@OfficialAshArcher
@OfficialAshArcher 12 күн бұрын
Cursed Child is a rubbish story. There, I said it. It’s not canon, and no one can change my mind on that. Voldemort having a child is ridiculous, as is Cedric becoming a death eater.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 12 күн бұрын
Completely agree. I'm doing a part 2 video where I cover Cedric as well, since I didn't have time in this video.
@DMTInfinity
@DMTInfinity 20 күн бұрын
Wow, "The Cursed Child" really is Trash. Wtf..?
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 20 күн бұрын
Yeah I'd advise you to stay as far away from it as possible lol.
@lexlinkroy
@lexlinkroy 20 күн бұрын
The Cursed Child was so bad it made me leave the fandom!
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 20 күн бұрын
I'd love to see some new great additions to Harry Potter but sadly I've been fairly disappointed with all the additions to the series.
@InabaPrism
@InabaPrism 25 күн бұрын
You're a lizard, Garry
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 25 күн бұрын
Somebody make this fanfic please.
@factsoftheconfederacy7151
@factsoftheconfederacy7151 13 күн бұрын
The cursed child is an absolute dumpster fire
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt 13 күн бұрын
Too true.
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