Who Created The UNFORGIVABLE Curses

[@ericmiller93]

Barty Crouch Jr. really was one of the best professors Harry ever had. Dude just couldn’t help himself. He broke school rules to show the students unforgivable curses and that knowledge was invaluable to them throughout the series. Dude just could’ve shut up and played a movie all class, but no….

[@raziele92]

To be fair he didn't just break school rules. He literally broke the law.

[@riluna3695]

As it turns out, Dumbledore gave him express permission to teach those curses to the kids two years early (likely specifically because of Harry and the recent escape of Pettigrew). Our source for this is, admittedly, Barty himself, but with how excitedly the students were talking about the lesson to anyone and everyone, there's no way that news didn't get around to some of the other teachers, and thus to Dumbledore. So it's excessively likely that he did indeed tell Moody to do this (not knowing it wasn't the real Moody), or else heard the news that Moody broke the rules but decided to intentionally keep quiet about it (which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but still more than him never getting caught at it to begin with)

[@eomoran]

Dumbledore might have given permission to teach the spells, probably not to use them on the students. But imperio is largely harmless

[@riluna3695]

@@eomoran Yeah, learning to fight the Imperius Curse in a safe, controlled environment is....honestly a really great lesson for Defense Against the Dark Arts. The other two, you can't really do the same way, but you can at least inform people of them. (Though it's usually reserved for 6th years, rather than 4th)

[@D34671]

yeah, shame about all the deception and murder

[@torazely]

I think Tom wanted to prove thst Harry was ACTUALLY dead. This kid has already survived a death attempt once before, and the twins cores has made him fairly resistant to Voldemort's spells in the past. So by using Cruxio on his body, Voldemort is proving that Harry is really dead, thus show8ng his own power in beating the one person who could defeat him, as well as proving that he truly was master of the Elder Wand and overcoming the twin cores.

[@Cailus3542]

It was actually the third time that Voldemort had cast the supposedly unbeatable killing curse at Harry. To be fair to the guy, he wasn't taking anything for granted at that point. Of course, he could've just Transfigured a branch into a sword and cut Harry's head off, but...well, old Voldy never was one for cheap and easy solutions.

[@torazely]

@@Cailus3542 yeH, but the second attempt didn't even connect with Harry thanks to the twin cores, so I wasn't counting that one. And Tom's biggest weakness, above all else, was his dependency on magic. His wizard's-only biases caused him to drastically ignore more muggle routes that could have been easier. He could have just chucked baby Harry out of the window when killing him the first time. Could have just bought a gun and gunned the family down. There's a lot of more mundane things he could have done, but he views muggles as such lesser creatures that those ideas don't even cross his mind.

[@supervegito2277]

@@Cailus3542 Hes VERY theatrical.

[@tracyroweauthor]

@@Cailus3542 I would think that cutting Harry's head off would not have the same effect on the wizards at Hogwarts as carrying his limp body. Bringing Harry's severed head with him would have been way to gruesome and definitely NOT a way to convince them of joining his ranks.

[@ericosb4503]

@@torazely The curse is supposed to be unlivable and unblockable. Harry has both lived and blocked it.

[@connerryan9151]

Minor correction - Harry actually used an unforgivable curse a third time. Before the battle of Hogwarts Harry uses the Cruciatus Curse on Amycus Carrow in anger after Amycus spits in Minerva McGonagall’s face. Unlike his first attempt on Bellatrix, Harry’s second use of the curse is fully successful, in part because he uses Bellatrix’s advice about “really meaning it. You need to want to cause pain.”

[@ravenouself4181]

Completely justifiable

[@MarcelScars]

@@HaicrysThunder he did use imperio during the Gringotts heist in the books too, a few times actually. He uses it on the bank teller goblin that requests Bellatrix's wand as confirmation of her identity to prevent their cover from being blown and on the death eater that went into the bank with them, thinking that Hermione was Bellatrix. When questioned about the wand, Hermione in disguise, said that the wand she had was new, which raised red flags for the goblin teller, who was aware that both the wand that was presented was Bellatrix original wand and that said wand had been stolen, and for the death eater who knew that bellatrix couldnt have gotten a new wand because he knew that the death eaters had captured Mr. Ollivander and that he was, later, rescued by dobby and company, so there was no one to make Bellatrix a new wand, so Harry used the Imperious curse on both of them to gain access to the Lestrange vault, as otherwise they would have been detained. He used the curse again on the goblin after they pass throught the Thief's Downfall, which washed away the effects of the polyjuice potion and the imperious curse

[@inimitablebooksllc]

The video says he used 2 of the 3 unforgivable curses, not that he only used unforgivable curses 2 .

[@marineplatoon1]

makes sense, mcgonagall was in a lot of ways like harry's surrogate grandmother

[@fleetstreet11]

Palpatine: "Join the dark side, Harry my boy. We have cookies." What? Don't ask me how Palpatine's at Hogwarts.

[@e.Kab.]

I've always thought of the three curses as The three answers or the three anthesis to the deathly hallows... The killing curse to stop the elder wand, The torture curse to cause the pain and anguish the dead feel when brought back, and finally the curse to make one do your bidding...the only way to make a person, who cannot be found, reveal themselves...it's quite poetic

[@Guntherson220]

This feels almost too fitting.

[@cassettetape7643]

I like this interpretation too

[@juliaspoonie3627]

I agree, this feels like the perfect explanation!

[@jessicamarsh9779]

This is one of the absolute best theories I think I’ve ever read! I love it!

[@RaddyCall16]

Dounds poetic, i like it, but the thing is that the Invisibility cloack does not protect you against spells, like when Harry was spying on Draco in the train, he got paralized, and luna could "finite" the paralisis aswell as the invisibility of the cloak, so maybe a "revelio" works too. My point is that imperio doesn't look like a definitive counter to the cloak.

[@fubiscuit7438]

I find it interesting that the names of the brothers start with the same letters of the spells they supposedly created. Antioch created 'A'vada Kedavra, Cadmus created 'C'rucio, and Ignotus created 'I'mperio.

[@kukui1679]

i found that interesting, too. following that line of thinking, along with SECTUMSEMPRA being invented by severus snape, i think lucius malfoy invented LEVICORPUS. it was in vogue while james and snape were in school and i believe lucius is was at hogwarts at the same time as them but in an older year. also, lucius and the other death eaters used levicorpus on muggles after the quidditch world cup so it feels like it's his personal style of dark arts spell.

[@pocholopiolozartiga124]

@@kukui1679 Levicorpus was also invented by snape.

[@lightheart44]

Didn't Herpo the Foul create the 'H'orcrux?

[@ambiverter]

@@pocholopiolozartiga124That's not confirmed, and most likely Snape just figured out the incantation of an already popular non-verbal spell

[@pocholopiolozartiga124]

@@ambiverter Perhaps, but it can't also be ruled out that he might indeed invent the spell.

[@AlexMcMonnies]

Harry actually uses Crucio twice. The second time with a lot more success against Amycus Carrow, when he just so happens to be in possession of the Resurrection Stone as part of the snitch. Yeah, I think you might be onto something here...

[@Cllocopine]

I said the same thing. He used it in the Ravenclaw tower after Amycus Carrow spat on professor McGonagall. He also used imperio twice because he used it both on Bogrod the goblin and on the death eater that went into the ministry with Ron and Hermione, Travers, after he got suspicious.

[@jtpadilla1]

I was literally about to bring this up… everyone seems to forget this.

[@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE]

@@jtpadilla1 yet you were the second person to mention it on this thread alone the others..... stop saying "everyone seems to forget this" to try and flaunt your expert knowledge of words written down....

[@sheikhgamer007]

​@@Cllocopine in the movie or book?

[@jtpadilla1]

@@OFFICIALLYBENPEARCE I apologize…I appreciated that you brought it up because it wasn’t brought up in the video…i was not attempting to flaunt knowledge of anything. In the future I’ll make sure not to reply to anything you have to say since it somehow turned into this. But have a good day all the same.

[@Gfreak250]

My personal headcanon is that in the Wizarding world, Avada Kedavra was at one point witnessed by a Muggle, passed down by them as a word associated with real magic, then was oversimplified with time into Abra Kadabra.

[@KlockoFett]

I tend to agree. Little known "fact": Avada Kedavra wasn't banned until the Wizarding world heard Steve Miller Band singing it in a crappy late 70's/early 80's song. Ok, my fact it a joke, but it's part of my headcanon either way.

[@Gfreak250]

@@KlockoFett No, but that would be pretty funny

[@kekumontgomery192]

Fun fact Abra kedabra means I create as I speak and avada kedavra means I destroy as I speak

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

Knowing that in reality people managed to mishear "Hoc est enim corpus meum" (For this is my body) and made it into "Hocuspocus", this sounds plausible.

[@Bradferd333]

@@KlockoFett I'm not big on that song, but Steve Miller slays otherwise!

[@PanBookworm]

Day 12 of politely asking the brothers to do a what if Sirius took Harry the night his parents died, therefore not going after Peter, and Harry was raised by Sirius instead of the Dursleys?

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Oooo thats a good one

[@PanBookworm]

@@SuperCarlinBrothershey brother!! Thanks!

[@aidancoleman1288]

​@@PanBookworm Heeeeeeeeeey Brrrooooooother!

[@kingbouncer1314]

Didn't Harry need to stay specially with his aunt, to carry on the protection of love his mother gave him? I'm Fuzzy on the details but he had to be able to call the dursleys home his home in order to keep the spell alive.

[@AshleeKnowsNot]

​@@kingbouncer1314yeah but like, Sirius didn't know that.

[@jameslars7391]

I have always liked the theory that Avada Kadavra was actually invented as a healers tool something along the lines of " We need a way to give someone a peaceful death because we can't save them and they are suffering" I don't have a lot of proof that it was the case other than its quick painless and doesn't leave any mark on the body. The fact that it has been perverted into such an evil curse would be such interesting and cruel irony as well.

[@Omizuke]

That would actually make sense since "the killing course" it's not the only magic that can kill. What Molly used wasn't that. And it killed just the same. I believe it was probably magic used to kill livestock. Like whatever wizards use on the chickens, cows or pigs. So Molly would be familiar without been seen as evil. Plus the explosive, slashing, burning etc magic that can also kill a human. However, the killing course gives a quick and painless death. Seem less evil and more clean than I don't know. Blowing up your opponent.

[@Deathstroke471]

But doesn’t the user need to have a strong intent to kill, that’s why not everyone can use avada kadavra easily, how can a healer have such an intent even if their goal is to prevent someone from suffering.

[@jameslars7391]

@@Deathstroke471 intent to kill is not the same as a hatred for someone. You are intending to the the person but out of mercy.

[@Deathstroke471]

@@jameslars7391 I guess that makes sense. But doesn’t avada kadavra translates to ˋI destroy as I speak‘. Why should a healers tool mean that?

[@petrkubik810]

@@Deathstroke471 But actually actually, Snape uses killing curse on Dumbledore, within the ''setting'' of mercy killing. And honestly we know that he is very talented wizard which have experiences with dark magic so he could brought himself to the emotinal state at which he knew it would work, but I think this is also another video on this channel.

[@izzyxblades]

I omce met a therapist who made me realize that some therapists are so good at their job, their words are kind of magical. When using the right words, a therapist can change a person, heal them, give them abilities they didnt have before. The more skilled the therapist, the more powerful their words can be.

[@-TheUnkownUser]

Well, in reality therapy works because of its methods. Not because of the skills of the therapist. That’s actually good news. Imagine how miserable things would be if we were dependent on the skill of a random person. This myth comes from currents like NLP and the Gestalt. The first without evidence and the second with crucial problems in its theory.

[@archangelgaming8077]

we dont care

[@Krabby956]

​@@archangelgaming8077You care enough to reply to a comment posted 2 months ago 🤷

[@shaelee5673]

@@-TheUnkownUserthis isn’t true. You are literally taught and expected to maintain specific skills in counseling. Literal counseling skills include reflection of feeling, reflection of meaning, opened ended questions, closed ended questions, summarization, and reflection of content (or paraphrasing) amongst many others. Without these skills you can’t be an effective counselor because you can’t see what the client is saying but not REALLY saying. These skills allow you to use deductive reasoning and help the client with what they’re not trying to tell you. If you aren’t trained to know what these skills look like, you wouldn’t recognize them in counseling. It will just seem like conversation to the untrained eye. That’s why they’re so important to master.

[@shaelee5673]

This was so beautifully put. Cause to us, we don’t do it for the praise or even notice how impactful our words can be. I’ve had numerous clients tell me that I’ve changed their lives and I’m like…”thank you for telling me that. I’m glad I could help you in some way 🥹”. One of the biggest insecurities a counselor has is if they’re even making an impact; if what they’re doing is making a difference. Not because they want to be seen as a GOOD counselor per se, but more so like they want to be sure they are competent, ethical, and empathetic. You alls words mean more to us than you could ever know.

[@the_vik_king]

I always thought it was strange that Dumbledore called all three brother "powerful and dangerous" not just the first one

[@princess_mj4396]

Well in a way all powerful people are dangerous, I'm sure Dumbledore would not hesitate to admit that he himself is dangerous by the amount of skill he has.

[@FoxyGuyHere]

@@princess_mj4396 Yeah, Dumbledore thinks himself dangerous as well

[@johnhenley7349]

@@FoxyGuyHere but would he consider someone like McGonagall or Shacklebolt to be dangerous? He considers himself dangerous not because of his power, but how easily he gives in to temptation, for more information, see book 6. Although that does explain (to me) how the wisest of the three brothers invented the most unforgivable of the three curses.

[@letsgamingde420]

"With great power comes great responsibility", that's because everyone with great power can be dangerous and it's their responsibility to use that power wisely

[@brandondanaher5648]

@@johnhenley7349 ​​⁠ okay so are you saying the brother who invented the invisibility cloak, or the elder wand was the wisest?

[@wolfboy7778]

As far as connecting the three brothers and three curse there is something you only really barely touched on. If we look at the three Hallows and how they're used, we have a wand that is constantly killed for, the stone causes so much pain when resurrecting someone, and the cloak is used not only by Harry, but also James to go around the school. The third one, I think, is the most important for the theory; The cloak allows at least two students and their friends to freedom, the ability to go where they want, when they want, do what they want to do. The cloak is them taking their will into their own hands...just like the Imperious curse, putting your will in your hand and then taking the next step of forcing it on someone else.

[@tomusoker1]

Really smart

[@eliotshoffner]

So if the Peverell brothers possibly created the Hallows, the Unforgivable Curses, and the Veil and the other artifacts (won't ruin it for those who haven't watched the video), can we officially say the Peverell brothers are the most powerful wizards of all time? At this point, I can't come up with any argument against it except Harry mastering Death. But that's it.

[@Cailus3542]

There is a difference between power and intellect. The Peverells were brilliant artisans, likely among the very best, but that doesn't mean that they were also monstrously powerful. Hermione is an example of this. She's a genius, one of the most brilliant witches of her generation, and I can easily see her being a great theoretician and magical artisan. Her actual magic has never been shown to be especially powerful, however, unlike some others, such as Harry himself.

[@rationaltrekker2509]

Most powerful or most talented? That's something people mix up, I think. even in the stories. The difference can be important. Hermione is very talented and clever, but she has a much harder time with a patronus, which actually requires magical strength to conjure and maintain. Barty Crouch Jr., I suspect, displayed both talent and power when he hoodwinked the Goblet of Fire.

[@carla05cw]

I'm pretty sure Merlin is generally considered the best, but maybe that's public knowledge only

[@eliotshoffner]

@@Cailus3542 I agree with what you're saying, I would just counter that you would have to be both extremely talented and immensely powerful to create the Deathly Hallows, other powerful magical artifacts, and the three most dangerous spells. Someone who is talented with potions or herbology may not be specifically powerful, but I think in this case the brothers would have to be

[@nonavailable1755]

In my head-canon the resurrection stone and the veil are both parts of the same artifact. The stone pulls the spirits of the dead through the veil back into the living world.

[@scottrjmatmsncom]

Could Harry's relationship to the Peverl brothers be helpful in being able to resist the curses? His mom's love is still playing a factor but the brothers being a grandfather and great uncles could be contributing factors on why he is able to resist the curses.

[@LawrenceHanson2]

Grandfathers? Lol. Missing a few 'greats' there.

[@hazaelmoreno7245]

I don't think so. He had to learn to fight off the Imperius curse, and he certainly could have been hurt with anyone else casting the Cruciatus curse on him. His protection was only because of the phoenix-core wand, and at the end because by the time Voldemort used it on him again (Killing curse and Cruciatus curse), he was master of the Elder wand.

[@annakp5034]

Honestly I will die on the hill that Harry being able to resist the crucio after his death is because he CHOSE the agony of living. It’s not about the wand, but about Harry having CHOSEN to live despite the pain. The very exhilaration of being alive is greater than any pain. That’s also why he doesn’t need to call upon a patronus a few minutes later, he feels that his stag lives inside him now. It’s another case of love being stronger than anything - his love for life and his security in the knowledge that he’s alive and loved makes him untouchable.

[@pranaykothari803]

Ignotus' grand-daughter was married into the Potter family, which makes her the great-great.....-great grandma of Harry, but Voldemort was also directly descended from Antioch, which makes Harry and Voldemort related by blood.

[@nigelfrom6000bc]

"Emotional pain demands to be felt" THAT HIT HARD!!

[@zaab-yaoh9302]

It’s not that deep calm down

[@atroy3800]

That was hard asf

[@CloudDieStrifende]

Its from the fault in our stars

[@winterwine460]

Ive always wondered why Antioch was murdered without magic in order to steal the Elder wand. And now it makes sense - because no one else really would’ve known the killing curse aside from them

[@nickankhazali2995]

The guy who stole the Elder Wand slit his throat. The story said so.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I always thought this also meant that the elder wand lost it's ultimate power at that point as the wand was not won in a duel it was stolen.

[@winterwine460]

@@nickankhazali2995 i know thats what im saying. Why wouldnt the thief just use the killing curse? Its easier, less messy, and leaves no trace. Its because they didnt know the killing curse, because Antioch created it

[@daredarrow6704]

​@@winterwine460 or it wasn't created then... That's a possibility

[@yawninglion1677]

The only question I have is, in that case, how did people learn the curse? If it died with Antioch before anyone could learn it?

[@v.v365]

I honestly thought the little voice in the back of Harry’s brain during the Imperius curse was Voldemort’s soul being defiant, also it would be harder controlling a person with two souls

[@jeremiahhill8125]

I was just gonna say the same thing. I never really thought of it as a Harry is better than everyone moment.

[@Dragonxmaster16]

They have done a different theory on how Harry was able to throw off the Imperious Curse so easily, and consistently, in a different video. It boils down to, "Harry never blindly listens to authority."

[@yaacovyoung]

@@Dragonxmaster16 I like the thought that Harry's life is so turmoiled, that the bliss of the Imperius Curse is so foreign to him that he knows something is wrong

[@sedaotieno]

Exactly... & since we know Voldemort was an absolute BEAST at legilimency, I'm sure he'd have recognized the fingerprints of someone else inside a mind that he was connected to (remember by this point, Harry's already felt the mind connection and seen out of Nagini's eyes).

[@ked49]

@@sedaotieno yet snape proves otherwise

[@sav1726]

9:51 I had previously assumed that he cast the cruciatus curse to make sure that Harry wasn’t alive, because no living think could go through the pain without any reaction.

[@Mutski1579]

That's precisely what happened. He kills Harry, then sends a death eater to check the corpse. Narcissa checks if Harry is dead and mutters quietly for a moment, making Voldemort sus. Not convinced that Narcissa is telling the truth, he decides to cruciatus Harry 3 times to confirm for himself. Showing off in the process was pure power politics. 😊 EDIT: According to the books. I still haven't seen the last 3 movies. 😊

[@artemislunanettybecker8641]

Not to mention and lest we forget, Bellatrix kills Neville's parents using the cruciatus curse. They couldn't survive it.

[@Antoronyx_]

@@artemislunanettybecker8641no, they just went crazy and are I a nursing home, at least according to the books

[@sebasblos1]

​@@artemislunanettybecker8641 no? She just tortured them to the point of insanity

[@princessichigo3115]

I died laughing at 7.47. The way he quoted Bellatrix in her voice. Perfect amount of deranged enthusiasm mixed with comedy

[@chrislaws4785]

I THINK that the second brother Cadmis MAY have ALSO created the Mirror that shows you the thing you want most. It sounds like something he would have created before getting the resurrection stone in order to show him the woman he wanted to be with.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

I'm anxiously awaiting a Tales of Beedle the Bard movie. Imagine an anthology film with each story getting about 30 minutes, possibly even with Michael Gambon or Jude Law narrating.

[@LLawlietisdead]

😊

[@alexpickles1674]

Id love this done like Star Wars visions or love death and robots

[@a.r11384]

That would be amazing only if it’s an animation

[@kenhammscousin4716]

Don't hold your breath

[@Ramtamtama]

Or Emma Watson reading them, with futhorc script of the story down one side of the screen

[@Restryouis]

As a support for this theory, Dumbledore says that the true power of the Invisibility Cloak is to protect others, not the owner. So, when Harry uses Imperio on the goblin, he does so to protect others. Using it for its intended purpose and managing to cast it almost perfectly on his first try.

[@magarinemarmeladen647]

Further more as i understand it Harry is the or a desendent of the 3. brother so the usw of Impirio would be in his nature.

[@Applemangh]

I've always wondered what the process of spell creation is like. For example, Snape is the inventor of the Sectum Sempra curse, yet Harry can use it without actually knowing what it's meant to do just by using the words. So are spells really invented, or are they more "discovered"?

[@davadow8558]

I heard someone say they come from the root language of the language they are speaking (for us being Latin, because most of our words have Latin roots

[@cassettetape7643]

Bit of both I imagine...

[@tacticallemon7518]

i imagine it being more like reverse-engineering a spell from what you intend for it to do into say latin and wand flicks Sure, you “make” the spell by figuring out the exact wand movement and spoken words

[@Musikur]

Same way you "invent" a mathematical rule or formula. For instance, calculus was invented by someone, but it's also a universal truth, so I guess it's both invented and discovered depending on your interpretation.

[@djeff37a]

@@davadow8558except English is not a Romantic (Latin). It is Germanic which happens to have a lot of borrowed words and phrases from around the world

[@sheevpalpatine2418]

Also like the resurection stone is an insutl to death because you bring someone back, the cruciatus curse is an insult because it doesnt kill someone meaning death does not get what he wants even if the person getting tortured wants to die

[@leegaul2161]

The three forbidden curses : The Imperius Curse, The Cruciatus Curse, and finally the -- Voldermort : "Inagodadavida!"

[@ludairewah5937]

It's also interesting to consider the Peverells' link to Voldemort. Voldemort was descended from the second brother, and he fears death above all else. He spends a huge amount of his time and energy trying to circumvent death. Cadmus didn't seem to fear death, but he certainly had a similarly strong emotional response to it. He also was trying to circumvent death a different way, wanting to bring someone back instead of live forever himself, but again, there's a strong parallel in their goals and outlook. An interesting thing to consider is that Avada Kedavra is often considered Voldemort's signature spell, but the theory suggests that he'd have a link with Cadmus's Cuciatus curse. I think it's possible the signature spell aspect was a reputation, not a personal preference. We do know one of his earliest magical acts was terrorizing two other children at the orphanage, not killing them. I also think Cadmus's familiarity with death would make it easier for him to use Avada Kedavra. Plus, Voldemort used all three spells.

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

Very good points to add to the theory! So Salazar Slytherin was also descended from Cadmus Peverell...

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

We can also say that Voldemort's fear of death caused him to create the Death Eaters, commit murder, and create horcruxes. Thus externalizing this fear and channeling it into suffering and terror for other people... a mass Cruciatus curse you could say.

[@riffbw]

What would take this theory to the next level is showing Dumbledore is descended from Antioch. As for signature spells, I think Voldemort is more linked with the killing curse because it was needed to make Horcruxes,, but I agree his preferred use of magic was torture and domination. Killing quickly actually goes against his preferred styles. Every time he faces Harry, he wants to toy with him before killing him. He's a cruel person. Contrast this with Dumbledore's death where all he says "please" and Snape finishes it quickly.

[@wh1te_duck652]

Iirc Voldemort says that he would torture people until they begged for death which sounds like cruciatus with a final touch of death

[@BouncingTribbles]

This fits with my take, the brothers worked together. The story in the book talks about how the brothers started their adventures together, they only separated after they had the hallows. So I always thought about them more like a reflection of the book trio. As a group of young adventurers they created some powerful tools

[@alejandroelcid]

It has always been my understanding, possibly theory, that the reason Harry was able to resist against Barty Crouch Jr. using the Imperio curse is because he is a Horcrux. The voice in Harry's head happened to be Voldemort's soul not wanting to be subjected to anyone's control out of sheer pride. To me it is similar to how he instinctively uses Parseltongue. But that is how I have seen it it after the second time I reread the series.

[@LawrenceHanson2]

Same.

[@Lancelot_2882]

I disagree, I listen to the audio book series on repeat just cause I’m weird and for some reason it’s soothing to me. But Harry’s ability to repel the effects the imperious curse, is more linking to his crazy patronous charm he casts to repel over a 100 dementors. Harry himself is actually really powerful. He only taps into it in a few circumstances. It leaves the question if he ever fully taps into this after the books. But Harry patronous and his ability to fight the effects of an unforgivable are actually just his own innate powers

[@LawrenceHanson2]

In the books, Dumbledore definitely mentioned that the piece of Voldemorts soul, AKA Horcrux, gave Harry extra powers, just 1 example being the ability to speak Parsletongue. It is also mentioned, that Voldemorts powers are very strong, so strong that it worked through a wand that was resisting him(the elder wand). I agree with the OP. I also read it as:. The Horcrux helped with the ability to be resistant. His own natural talent came in after Fake-Moody made him practice. Maybe it looks different on paper than the audio makes it sound. Remember that each person puts different inflections into the voice. Maybe the narrator on the audio book thought the same as yourself and put that inflection into the audio.

[@kevinthunder3375]

I disagree. That takes far too much away from Harry. His mental resilience? His wand? Horcrux? His magical power? Horcrux. I have never liked these theories. I will give the Parseltongue, but that's about it.

[@NotAnotherDouc-]

The second brother invented the cruciatus curse in an attempt to reduce his pain by sharing it with others, even by force. Isn’t that was so many bullies do, in fiction and in real life? Many of them are just injured people who don’t know how or choose not to process through their trauma in a healthy way, so they cope by making others feel that pain instead.

[@Oshaoxin]

Aw those poor bullies. All they need is a hug.

[@NotAnotherDouc-]

@@Oshaoxin did a single thing I said excuse their behavior? Two things can be true at once: 1. “Bullies” are very often a product of their environment. 2. Everybody - including bullies - is responsible for their own actions regardless of the reasons behind them. I guess you’re incapable of holding two thoughts at once though, since you apparently don’t have more than one brain cell to even understand my point in the first place. So sorry I tried to even justify.

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

Yes! 100%. They transfer and vent that pain and self-loathing onto someone else to get a reprieve for a little while. Then they become addicted to inflicting pain.

[@kool4209]

lol you tried.........

[@Vixen1409]

Harry felt peace for the first time with the imperious curse, and his body and mind were like, "Wait, peace? No anxiety? This is wrong." That's why he could shake it off.😂

[@ThePreyaansh]

Some more logic "A"-ntioch --> "A"-vada Kedavra "C"-admus --> "C"-rucio "I"-gnotus -->"I"-mperio

[@Oda_Samurai]

"H-erpo the Foul" --> "H-orcrux"

[@j.fhernandez3457]

"S"-everus --> "S"-ectumsempra

[@aptennisstar]

Don’t forget Herpo the Foul and Horcrux both with “H!” Although I guess we don’t technically know the exact spell used to create it, seems to match!

[@khaledsakr13]

Dumbledore - Deluminator

[@SabbyCat52]

​@@khaledsakr13not to mention the twelve uses for Dragon blood.

[@petrmaly9087]

Exactly, that was my thought as he started naming the people and the spells.

[@mauriciosmit1232]

Maybe he is not the creator of either, but there is a connection between Ekrizdis (the inhabitor of Dementor-infested azkaban) and Expecto Patronum (the only spell effective for defending from them).

[@AshleeKnowsNot]

I love how this is technically a fan theory that builds on another of their fan theories, but we all just kind of accept it like it's cannon.

[@breewoodward3651]

Which is that you're talking of?

[@whisperinwind87]

@@breewoodward3651 I think he refering to the "who created the veil" video they mentioned

[@petrusdeandrade1108]

All their theories are fan theories built on other fan theories hahah

[@AshleeKnowsNot]

@@whisperinwind87 yup!

[@gabbodelaparrawrites]

I always thought he resisted Fake Mad Eye Moody's Imperious curse thanks to the part of Voldemort inside him. The horcrux defending itself.

[@lucasgonzales4260]

But isn't that after Voldemort just KILLED the horcrux?

[@chiefgitsu]

@@lucasgonzales4260 no, that was in Goblet of Fire, before Voldy returned.

[@gabbodelaparrawrites]

@@lucasgonzales4260 The one when they were doing it in class with the fake Mad Eye Moody. He was still a horcrux then.

[@rationaltrekker2509]

While that fragment of Voldemort's soul in Harry might have played some role, it wasn't the key to Harry's resistance. The key to Harry's resistance was his own psychology. Consider how much Harry had been bullied by the Dursleys, especially his uncle (not to mention Aunt Marge). Some people would have responded to that abuse by becoming abusers in their own turn, but not Harry. He learned empathy from it. He learned that he did not want to be or even try to exert mastery over anyone - not even a house elf. ( In this regard we can compare Harry to Faramir, Sam, and Tom Bombadil in "Lord of the Rings." ) When Harry uses the Imperius curse at Gringott's , gaining power over someone is not what he wanted. He just wanted to carry out his plan and needed people out of the way long enough to allow that. Harry seeks to be his own master, but no one else's. The part about being his own master is what allows him to overcome the Imperius Curse.. Think about the conversation he has with the voice inside ordering him to jump up on the desk. J quotes it in the video here and I think it's important. His own thinking represents nothing more than not allowing someone else to master him. There's no hint of trying to turn the tables. Just, a "no, I don't think I will, thank you." In fact, that scene very much foreshadows (however subtly) Harry becoming the master of the Deathly Hallows.

[@gabbodelaparrawrites]

@@rationaltrekker2509 Well. in my head canon every time Harry is saved by seemingly extraordinary forces is the Horcrux defending itself.

[@Formallyknownashandle]

Not only am I convinced, but impressed how you laid it all out! J.K. Rawlings has a much more deeper imagination than I ever gave her credit for.

[@cookie1138]

All that imagination and no room for tolerance.. so sad actually.

[@goodgoyim9459]

@@cookie1138 how shallow and ignorant.

[@stonedsour9140]

Very wise answer. Let's just cut off our organs to transform into something we can never be. /S

[@NexusZ97]

15:24 Truly a good theory, but isn’t it possible that the voice in Hairy’s head is just Voldemort?

[@jasonvaello3568]

That's kind of what I thought

[@Kumquat9701]

"jump onto the desk" "Nah" Clearly Harry is naturally skilled at... *Being disobedient*

[@joshg6491]

It's amazing how the Fandom does 80% of the lore work for JK Rolling

[@raydafuq3570]

Well we kinda have to to keep loving it. Too many holes in the story like where Muggles come from and generally Magic.

[@Meh.357]

​​@@raydafuq3570 I'm pretty sure the origin of Muggles is pretty self-explanatory. And people just randomly found out they had magic due to some glitch in the ol' genome or something.

[@raydafuq3570]

@@Meh.357 you're pretty sure? Dude Muggles aren't explained. Why talk if you don't know? And that is one of countless things. I could go deep why Muggle are everything but explained and it makes no sense why people hate them.

[@Meh.357]

@@raydafuq3570 They don't need to be. We are the muggles. Muggles come from monkey. They evolve to not have magical abilities. Due to superstition they marginalised eachother and Wizardkind. Muggles are literally us they don't need to be expanded upon since what room is there? "Where did Muggles come from?" Isn't that obvious? Search up "Human Evolution."

[@Xiaochiyesspouse]

@@raydafuq3570 maybe its from back when witches were burned ?

[@lucaskarniss2445]

I think the arch is the “bridge” from “The Tale of the Three Brothers” and it’s a bridge between life and death. It’s similar to the doorway in the “The Chronicles of Narnia Last Battle”.

[@notsoberoveranalyzer8264]

2:07 so I’m not really into Harry Potter stuff, but I love that you guys reached out to the original creator, and asked for permission, instead of playing it off as your own. Subbed & Liked for that, just to support this mentality.

[@ssphantasmagoria]

I legit LOVE what you guys have come up with in each of these HP theories. The alternate theories are some of my favorites and give a much richer story. Keep it up!

[@Ruesen]

Ooh, i especially like the connection between the three brothers' names and the unforgivable curses. Even if they just ended up being a coincidence, that's really a cool one!

[@ShinyHunterSolyu]

Snapes spell always clicked to me since I first heard it. “That spell sounds like Snape’s name.” Which when I found out he was the half blood prince I was like that makes sense why the spell sounds like his name lol

[@thecajunphoenix]

It's also too bad Sectusempra wasn't included among The Unforgivable Curses since it combines the most painful elements of The Cruciatus Curse with the most painful elements of The Killing Curse, only the victim doesn't die right away. The good thing is the Healmore Spell called Vulnera Sanantur counters Sectusempra if it's used early enough.

[@IAmGodHimself777]

@@thecajunphoenixIt wasn’t well known.

[@BrettsThoughts]

Ah thanks for sharing the theory! It was great hearing you dive deeper into it and flesh it out - the way it all links to Harry and how he uses them is so cool! 💚

[@gracebaird869]

I was on your TikTok live I only got 10/15 but they were pretty tough questions I told you that scb sent me

[@BrettsThoughts]

@@gracebaird869 I remember! Thanks for coming along 🥰 I hope you enjoyed the quiz

[@kalyanjyotidutta287]

I think you are correct.. thinking from an another, though weird perspective, Antioch created "avada kadabra", his name starts with 'A' same as the spell. Similarly, "crucio" and "imperio", starts with the letters of their respective creators, Cadmus and Ignothus.. makes a lot of sense 😅

[@JMPERager]

Honestly, the most interesting part of this theory is the fact that Harry truly became to master of death. Had all the deathly hallows, a could survive the killing curse and was apparently immune to the cruciatus curse. Mindblowing.

[@cmac8722]

I always had the theory that "another voice at the back of his brain" in GoF was Voldemort. The use of the word "another" when when it is described makes me think the part of Voldemorts soul in Harry may have been active a very very very subconscious level and when Harry was under the imperious curse it became conscious for a few seconds. I mean, that voice voice you hear when you think is always your own, but the wording very specifically says "another". I'll go ahead and assume that Voldemort would have also been able to fight off the curse because nobody ever made him do anything he didn't want to do and so while Harry wasn't in control of himself that allowed the fragment of soul a brief opportunity to awaken and disobey the order to jump, becasue why would he do as he is told? I'm probably completely off with this theroy, but hey, it's fun to think of them.

[@jonathanwilson8809]

But he is resistant to the cruciatus curse when voldemort is removed from him, and you're suggesting that he is resistant to another of the curses *because* voldemort is part of him. 🤷‍♂️

[@cmac8722]

@@jonathanwilson8809 by that time Harry is mentally strong enough to fight it off by himself. The experiences of the Tri-wizard tournament and the events that follow in the graveyard will have given him the extra mental strength needed. Plus I never said Harry couldn't do it by himself, but having a piece of Voldemorts soul inside him gave him extra power even if he was never aware of it. I mean you only need to look at his ability to speak Parseltongue as an example. Except for the Order of the Phoenix when Voldemort gave him the false visions, Harry never experienced anything detrimental from that piece of soul.

[@surferdude4487]

@@jonathanwilson8809 IMO it is entirely possible that the fragment of Voldemort helped him to resist the Imperious curse. But, I'm pretty sure he resisted the Cruciatus curse because Harry was the true master of the Elder wand.

[@matteoairaghi790]

I have always wondered how spells are created

[@brendenpercle2351]

I kinda think it’s just people messing around with Latin words until something sticks

[@coolbrotherf127]

As far as I know, there's never really been any concrete method established in the lore. There are probably basic fundamentals that all spells follow but changing certain things will create specific results. Certain characters seem to spend a lot of trial and error researching new spells though so it seems to still be somewhat mysterious and difficult to nail down for them as well.

[@Steve_A93]

Maybe spells are like magic vessels of whomever created them, which are accessed via the incantations?

[@christianrose9166]

We know very little about the creation of spells, but I think there's something in the use of wands and underaged casting. Wands are used to channel the innate magic within a given witch or wizard, which enhances the effects of their magic. Furthermore, until the obtaining of a wand, a witch or wizard who is not taught how to control their magic will have it come out of them spontaneously, but always achieving a desired result. In other words, magic is "a desire being fulfilled", and wands strengthen that effect. With this, if a wand strengthens the effect of "a fulfilled desire", then spells "give structure to the method by which to fulfill ones desire". For example, there are many ways to obtain a drink from your fridge, in theory. You could get up and walk to the fridge, you could have someone else grab it for you, or you could (in theory) have it teleported to you via magic. These three methods are different ways to fulfill the desire of getting a drink from your fridge, and they would be represented by going to the fridge via apparition/disapparition, brought to you via accio/locomote, or teleported to you via conjuration spells (which conjure food/drink by pulling them from elsewhere and storing them in a pocket space first, then pulling them from that space). To summarize, spellcrafting would be trying to give "structure" to a "desire to be fulfilled" using words as code words and a wand as a medium for your magic.

[@brianb6007]

The only example I can think of is in HBP when Harry reads about how Snape scribbled out failed attempts at sectum sempra refining it and working it out.

[@missoona7130]

The killing curse and the imperius curse actually kinda sound like something that could be used in medicine/hospitals. Giving fast and painless go to someone or someone, who is a danger to themselves or others can be controlled without physical force, with a spell that feels peaceful to them

[@josephvallejos6122]

***Canada has entered the chat***

[@jackwriter1908]

To be honest I would love there to be a story about a person who uses only "evil" magic to help people 😂 Necromancy? That's just a way to keep the people save when there is dangerous work to do. Mindcontrol? To help people to do work out, if they always give up too fast. Showing someone what they fear most? Exposure Therapy. And so on... I just love that idea 😂

[@inukithesavage828]

No, Voldermort was checking to see if Harry was dead with the Crusiatus curse.

[@djcfrompt]

7:18 "nonstop emotional torture" *Stephen He's dad has entered the chat*

[@brickbot2.038]

I wonder if these spells might have existed before the brothers, but were then refined. Like, imagine Avada Kedavra used to be blockable with a basic shield charm, but then the Peverells were like, "Not anymore!" I've always wondered what goes into making a spell. We can gauge from the Half-Blood Prince's potion book that there's a process, a lot of trial and error that includes factors such the word itself, and how it's said, and if the movies are anything to go off of, adding words like "maximus" at the end can cause more power or different effects.

[@Daniel-ix6nq]

Like before it was just, Avada.

[@nobrutv1769]

As far as magical lore usually goes, the magic is always there. It exists. It just needs to be harnessed and put into the desired/designed use. If the HP universe follow this route, it is possible that the "creation" of spells is actually finding out how to make an intent work in magical ways, then trying to find in words how to put that together into a spell, and matching the right emotion/intent with it to be successful.

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

@@nobrutv1769 I agree with this because that's the way Slughorn was telling the class to create poison antidotes by reverse engineering the poison itself and solving for the unknown ingredient that would bind the independent ingredients into a cohesive whole that's the opposite of the poison. It makes sense that spells are developed in a similar way, experimenting with the wand movements as well. I also remember when Snape was healing Draco and Dumbledore, he sang a long spell with complicated wand movements that sounded like crooning. So spells can be a series of words or a repeated chant as well.

[@jimlittle5769]

Salazar Slytherin pre-dated the three brothers and I believe he used the curses. They weren't considered unforgiveable at the time.

[@jacksonlynch1731]

SCB: Look at how brilliantly this is woven into the whole story!!! JK, who has never given any of this a moment's consideration: Yep. That's exactly how I planned it. Yep.

[@kadmodir]

On the subject of the invisibility cloak being more effective for harry, i think it's because in the tale of the three brothers, the wand is taken by force, the stone is lost when cadmus killed himself (so no tradition on using it), and finally the cloak it was "given", passed down willingly to their successor, i think that plays a big part in the cloak's magic, it's given willingly

[@jackwriter1908]

I think the more important thing for the cloak is that the owner also accepts death. The Cloak is made out of Thestral Hair, if I remember correctly, similar to the Wand Core and the Thestral Hair Wand Core accepts thsoe that are accepting Death. And considering that the final Act of the Owner of the Cloak is giving it away and Accepting Death, I think it's important. I mean even James gave the Cloak to someone else before he died and then decided to attack a wizard without a Wand. He accepted Death in that moment and even if he didn't give Harry the Cloak he still gave it to someone else...

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

I remember reading the three curses and thinking they were twisted versions of medical spells. the therapy spell, the revalidation spell, and the merciful death spell.

[@fucku2b]

there's a therapy spell? what a dreamworld 😭

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

@@fucku2b there is. They enter your mind and just... Make you stop being depressed, alcoholic or the like. It's called Imperio. Once they found out what else it could be used for, it was promptly banned.

[@THEDonnyB]

I have watched you guys on and off. I usually bounce between series. Every time I get back into Harry Potter I always check out your vids. Love what you do.

[@izzysmith105]

I think the Imperius curse is kind of like hypnosis - It puts you into a kind of suggestive trance, and once you are in that blissful 'sleep' the person casting the spell can 'suggest' ideas and actions to you, which you just blindly follow because of the trance. But it's not foolproof, because people can reject these suggestions.

[@Phlorochyll]

"You should go kill Dumbledore." "Nah, I think I'm gonna sit down and have dinner..." "YOU SHOULD GO KILL DUMBLEDORE." "But I'm HUNGYYYYYYYYY" "Forget it"

[@nickconnor1608]

@@Phlorochyllthis made me laugh hard 😭😭😭😂

[@DrDipsh1t]

Pleasure and pain are the motivators of all decision making in life. Pain can drive people and creatures to do awful things, however it can still be repelled (longbottoms). Pleasure/bliss lowers your defenses, reinforces behavior. "spare the rod, spoil the child", "carrot or the stick" are both common sayings that refer to behavior modification through uses of pleasure or pain, generally in the context of favoring using pleasure.

[@alicias.8482]

You blew my mind. That all makes perfect sense. Also, Harry being so good at magic while being a lackluster student might be due to his lineage from these most powerful wizards. And possibly, not really being damaged as greatly by these spells because they won't work fully on Peverell family members?

[@Frostmozine]

One of Harry's parents was a Peverell family member and they didn't survive the killing curse

[@wicklash9065]

​@nasheerbillah1667 but he hadnt mastered the deathly hallows

[@benny_lee]

17:52 not to mention, Herpo the Foul is the first known creator of a Horcrux.

[@daftwulli6145]

IN Harrys defence I feel if you get hit by one of the unforgivable course you should get a freebie, one unforgivable curse of your choice

[@sidsoko9417]

I is really wild, for Imperius, Ignotus, as well as Invisibility Cloak

[@I_am_OK]

I would like to ask the brothers to make a video theorizing over what would happen if Draco had accepted Dumbledore’s offer on the Lightning struck tower (the Half blood prince ). What if the Death Eaters were held up by the Order members and Draco had been given more time to choose?

[@Youknowwhoyounopoo]

I think Harry would die. The person that checked if he was dead was Narcissa but if Draco accepted the offer, Dumbledore would have hid them. So someone else would check on Harry and reveal that he wasn't dead, making Voldy hit him with another avada kedavra. The wand might still not kill Harry because he would still be master of death, but Voldemort might just grab another deatheater's wand and try again. Ergo, still dead Harry

[@rationaltrekker2509]

Yes, THAT would be a great area for speculation! It would be great in part because it came close to happening. J and Ben, you should definitely take this one up, though I think it might prove to be more of a challenge than it would seem at first. Maybe. It would impact Draco personally, of course, but potentially also Draco's relationship with Harry - and then Ron and Hermione ; and his relationship with Crabb and Goyle, and his parents' futures… My guess is that Narcisa, despite her attitudes, would have accepted Dumbledore's protection, and ultimately Lucius would have to. What impact would that then have on Snape's position with Voldemort? Is there a way that it could erode trust? After all, part of the reasoning behind the plan for Snape to kill Dumbledore was to bolster his position with Voldemort. Tom Riddle is very suspicious even as an eleven-year-old. If a Death-Eater family connected to Hogwarts takes protection from Dumbledore, what will Riddle think about other Death Eaters who have connections to Hogwarts and Dumbledore? Would he torture Snape to try to get information? Would Draco accepting Dumbledore's protection DEFINITELY mean that Dumbledore survives that night? I can't see off hand how it wouldn't mean that, but that itself is something to think about. In the end, how many "IF"s are there?

[@lisahenry20]

I do love how it feels like whenever there is a group of 3 things in the wizarding world, this channel seems to attribute it to the 3 brothers

[@jenx5870]

Right? No magic was invented, or occurred, before those three came on the scene.

[@rickybaker42]

Yeah that’s pretty much why I don’t buy it

[@magumaron9597]

​@@jenx5870 The answer maybe yes you know in the tale they show how clever and powerful those 3 by use magic to create the bridge so I think at their time event the magic to levitate things to make complicated objects like bridge is hard

[@johnjstamos3996]

It’s all for the views.

[@amberr3662]

​@@johnjstamos3996well duh, why upload a video onto KZbin if you don't want views? That's literally how you make money, of course you want views

[@Psyphix1220]

Would love to hear what the Brothers think would happen if the Ministry gave a guilty verdict during Harry's trial

[@Kobrakai21]

I respect that you made it a point to mention the originator of the theory and even reached out to them to ask if they were okay with you expounding on it. Class act, gentlemen. Cheers

[@grandstarstudiosFORMER-YT]

0:23 VOLDEMORT SOUNDS LIKE A OLD UNCLE XD

[@MannequinMeat]

9:05 " Emotional pain made physical and emotional pain demands to be felt.. " I wish this wasn't so relatable.

[@wanderingseer4354]

I think that the 2nd Peverell brother wanting to humiliate death lines up well with the cruciatus curse being used to torture defeated enemies.

[@huskykid0295]

I feel like the second brother would make avada kedavra, as if he needed a way to send his bride back to the realm of the dead before he could join her there himself. Since it's an instant and painless spell it makes sense that he would just want to instantly end her suffering and send her back where she belongs respectfully.

[@jamieisausername]

Interesting. So you think the imprints of Lily, James, Sirius and Lupin are wandering the Forbidden Forest still to this day? Bit freaky, that

[@takumi2023]

@@jamieisausername but spells don't work on ghosts or shadows of people if i remember correctly.(at least rarely).

[@jypsridic]

@@takumi2023 she wouldn't have been a ghost or a shadow, she'd have been something else that we don't have a word for.

[@katierenee5699]

@@jypsridic Is it possible she was an Infiri? (Not sure how you spell it. Wizard zombies :P) I remember Dumbledore telling Harry that Grindelwald wanted the stone to make an army of them. So maybe that's the result when you're trying to bring someone back permanently instead of the ghost/imprints of Harry's family which were meant to be temporary.

[@ryanward5770]

Or better yet, cadmus also created the veil first in order to send his love back to the other side where he could join her. Fits with the idea of them creating the veil too!

[@juansantana7407]

This was by far my favorite of your videos. Incredibly insightful fellas! Such a dope channel with two of the most creative, talented minds answering all the questions I didn’t know I even had lol. A billion thank you’s. You’re the Manly P. Halls of my favorite childhood stories.

[@lawrencecummings8534]

How does someone put so much thought into their lore but not into their tweets? Remarkable

[@fishandjam5383]

15:54 You seem to be forgetting that Harry hit Amycus Carrow with the Cruciatus Curse when he spat in McGonagall's face in Deathly Hallows. He even said, then, that he saw what Bellatrix meant about needing to mean it.

[@dpatel9292]

But at that time he already possessed the resurrection stone. Hence , may be crucial worked because if the resurrection stone and has nothing to do with Harry's anger.

[@fionarodgers4806]

That’s exactly what I thought.

[@Cailus3542]

Amycus was in pain, sure, but nothing quite like a true Cruciatus Curse. In Bellatrix's words: "righteous anger won't hurt me for long".

[@tracyroweauthor]

@@Cailus3542 Also, Bellatrix was a very powerful witch. She could probably withstand the curse better than Amycus

[@fishandjam5383]

@@dpatel9292 The Resurrection Stone was still in the Snitch he had been left by Dumbledore. Yes, he suspected it was inside it, but as he hadn't opened the Snitch yet, did he really possess it?

[@autumnleaf2263]

NEW HEADCANON ACCEPTED! This is brilliant! And you finally convinced me which brother made which curse at the end with the names. 10/10.

[@fionarodgers4806]

I honestly still think that Herpo the Foul created the unforgivable curses. I mean, the dude was the first person to make a horcrux and the first person to breed a basilisk, soooo… I think it’s him.

[@catlover2223]

Didn’t he also create Dementors? Or they were discovered at his home after he died? Then they converted it to Azkaban because they couldn’t deal with the Dementors.

[@09DinoDino]

@@catlover2223 wasn’t that a different guy

[@thatcatholicgirl5675]

@@catlover2223- That was Ekrisdis, and SCB did a video about him a couple years ago!

[@amputatormasakrator3626]

17:33 Also Voldemort was descendant of the Cadmus (his family ring is resurection stone) and Harry is descendant of the Ignotus - His (Ignotus) granddaughter Iolanthe Peverel was married to Hardwin Potter (the the great-grandfather of Harry)

[@Tsarbloonba]

“AVBRAVDA KADAVRA” was the funniest Voldemort line ive heard

[@lxena8033]

I don't think Harry was unaffected by the killing curse. He actually died in the forest. He wasn't master of death before that moment. He became master of death when he chose to come back. At that point he had conquered death, which is when the elderwand become loyal to Harry. At that point the he is not effected, by either the Cruciatus, nor the killing curse. He defeats the killing curse in the great hall, not the forest. In order to become master of death, Harry actually had to die. Ironically, the reason he even had the choice to come back was because of Voldemort. Voldemort help Harry become master of death, by taking his blood. In doing so, Voldemort sealed his own defeat. When the prophecy states that Harry will have power that the dark lord doesn't have.... I don't think it meant only love. But love also helped him become master of death. Which is something Voldemort could never become, because of his fear of death. That is why the elderwand resisted him. He never conquered death. This is why Grindelwald tells Voldemort that the wand would never work for him. This is also how Grindelwald lost to Dumbledore. Grindelwald didn't conquer death. I think Grindelwald was able to figure this out during all the time he was isolated and locked up. Which is why he laughs at, and mocks Voldemort.

[@dustincarroll4683]

it would also make sense that harry could both cast and resist the imperious curse on the first try as more then likely the imperious curse was a family trade secret for generations and Ignotus's descendants would more then likely develop a natural affinity and or resistance for there family's trademark spell just like how they can naturally utilize the invisibility cloak to further affect then most.

[@tolkienism3806]

I want to expand on the theory (Note that this expansion is going in approximately the order i think the spells were created) The third brother was the first one to create these three spells, he was a powerful person who could create powerful spells and taught his brothers to also create spells. But knowing that he would likely be in trouble due to how well powerful he is and how unpredictable he could be with unknown spells he created the invisibility cloak and imperious spell to protect him and his wife and kids. The first brother was a powerful wand maker. He decided with his wand making skills and knowledge he had on spell making made the elder wand and the killing curse to kill the person who betrayed him. Finally the second brother he was a skilled alchemist who with help created the resurrection stone. But after realizing that the resurrection stone didnt work blamed the person who helped him create said stone created the crusiatis curse to that the person who helped him so that the person would know how he had felt after he found out the stone didnt work.

[@jennykalahar]

I love backstories, so when I wrote This Peculiar Magic, I delved into what life was like for the main character before heading to the academy to study and live with others like himself. We get to understand the feeling of being the only person, it seemed, with his "affliction."

[@chumuheha]

One other thing of note with Cadmus is that the story notes that he wanted to humiliate death, indicating that he was probably the cruelest of the three, lining up with him creating the torture curse.

[@zacobyz4431]

This is an amazing theory! It's also supported by Harry fully mastering use of the cruciatus curse only when he had the resurrection stone in his possession (when he used it on Amycus Carrow). The theory makes so much sense. I love it!

[@Ayanamy-vl2pl]

I can hardly imagine the shock of the first wizard who casted ( or cast) the death spell. Imagine it was an accident, like an impulse...

[@SgtSupaman]

The first couldn't have been an accident. Even intentionally casting it, according to Crouch Jr, isn't good enough to do much more damage than a nosebleed if you don't put intention behind it. So the first one casting it definitely had to mean to kill whomever he was targeting.

[@carloszapata847]

​@@SgtSupaman A moment of anger can cause a lifetime of regret.

[@du-b8576]

I'm really enjoying this one so far, but I can't help but to nitpick one thing. You claim that the second time Harry had crucio cast on him he felt no pain because he was 'master of death'. I think it's pretty clearly pointed out in the final scenes of deathly hallows that Voldemort's spells, including his casting of crucio on Harry, stopped working due to the protection Harry placed on all the defenders of hogwarts with his sacrifice. I'm fairly certain that the reason Harry felt no pain from Voldy's crucio in the forest is the same reason that his silencing spells don't work in the courtyard, the protection Harry created by sacrificing himself, the same way his mother did for him. Going to the forest to die essentially gave everyone at the school Voldemort armor, including Harry. 'Master of Death' is a title from a children's tale, and sure he has a right to claim it, but as far as it being of any magical significance I have a lot of doubts, it's never implied that mastering the hallows will confer any more power or defense than the hallows themselves would confer directly.

[@SirRiceBurger]

Actually the reason why voldy's crucio didnt work in the forest is because you have to mean the curses. Voldemort did not expect the curse to work because Harry was dead, so it didn't.

[@Sarah-ml4fv]

I think this is probably the correct take ahha but it’s still a fun video!

[@specsoneye]

0:01 "This video does include a verbal reference to..." **Proceeds to verbally say the word**

[@ThePandaPad]

14:40 Might be the part of Voldemort's soul giving him an extra boost there too.

[@prince_moataz]

Was just about to say

[@ItsTimeSteve_]

17:42 there is also Herpo the fowl and the Horcrux! Same beginning letter.

[@Lotuswalker]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt Harry successfully use Crucio on Amicus in Ravenclaw tower ? Then he said to McGonagall "Now I know what Bellatrix meant, I have to really mean it"... something like that.

[@Cailus3542]

Amicus was plainly in pain, but nowhere near as much as a successful Cruciatus Curse can cause.

[@arcrosis]

I have only seen the intro so far but i just want to point out a possible hole in this theory(i will add a note after this comment if it gets addressed). Salazar was known to use the curses, even going as far as teaching them to his students and requiring cruciatus being used on someone to enter his scriptorium. The founders also predate the brothers by around 200-300 years. Edit: Yep, so wathed all the way through and looked it up after. Salazar definatley taught at least imperio and crucio, and lived a couple hundred years before the Peverell brothers

[@ricksanchez1732]

It's very possible that lesser versions of these spells existed and it was these brothers who refined them to perfection. Maybe Avada could be blocked, or you had to hit someone twice to kill them. Maybe crucio just hurt for a second, or only caused emotional turmoil. Maybe Imperio only allowed you to push one command, or forced them to mimic your movements like a mirror. And these guys fixed them with their deathly magic

[@ーテイル]

@@ricksanchez1732 The entire point of the theory is that they created these spells. If they just perfected something that already existed (for which there's no confirmation) then the theory is still wrong.

[@benja_mint]

Yep I think whenever highly complex theories about Harry Potter come out they turn out to not be true. The books just aren't that complex. Things tend to be stated explicitly, not hinted at

[@orange_turtle3412]

The torturing one being a way of channeling misery away from yourself actually makes a lot of sense. The spell doesn’t cause any actual physical damage. It just forces the target to experience the sensation mentally. The brain is forced to process pain that doesnt physically occur.

[@akkarin9932]

8:17 -> If you ever get asked to rate your pain on a scale of 1 to 10 - THAT is a 10.

[@AmateurCreep]

what is also incredible is the names of the brothers match up with the first letters of each curse!

[@Phantom_Fireside]

An interesting add-on he didn't add was Herpo the Foul created the first Horcrux, but starting with H just like Severus Snape and Sectum Sempra

[@olivercoulthard5468]

I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO NOTICE THIS

[@atulathalye285]

Also Herpo the Foul creating the first Horcrux? Here too, the H and H match!

[@hathus5536]

An Interesting "What if" is what if Obi-Wan raised and trained Luke his whole life instead of giving him to his aunt and uncle

[@TheRealH20]

Or what if Obi-Wan lifted anakin and threw him in the lava (using the force obviously)

[@rhueoflandorin]

had aanother thought: when voldemort casts the cruciatus curse on what he thinks is a CORPSE, the spell FAILS to cause pain, because voldemort believes harry to be dead, and thus, cannot experience pain, and so, voldemorts' own mindset causes the spell to not function.

[@kennethlukasik7111]

It makes more sense, in my opinion, that the eldest brother created the cruciatus curse as a way to humiliate an opponent further. While the middle brother, who was in so much pain and suffering over not being able to be with his true love, created a spell to end his own suffering. Which leaves the youngest brother to create the Imperious Curse as a way to counter the other two. Here is my theory of explaining why I think this theory holds water: 1. The oldest brother looked to humiliate and boast his power with the Elder Wand, so to humiliate his opponent with pure and utter pain. 2. The middle brother wanted nothing more than to die but there wasn’t a spell at the time to accomplish committing suicide, so he created one that was so potent that there was no way for it to fail. In order to cast that spell, you have to mean it completely. He did. 3. The youngest brother after having lost both of his brothers by this point, in an act of desperation, created a spell that could either stop someone’s hubris actions from being their downfall, or prevent them from ending their own life. Hence, the euphoric affects of the spell.

[@AHufflepuffAndASwiftie]

I think "Old Voldy" was TRYING to make DOUBLY sure Harry WAS dead; I think Voldy figured that Harry would move from the pain . . . Joke's on Voldy, though, because Harry does NOT move an INTCH even though he IS VERY much alive . . . 😁

[@tyseal9415]

Love when y'all post a new video! Hope you continue the "What if Peter was killed" in a part 2!

[@shaynestcyr3054]

What if you used the Veil and resurrection stone in tandem to bring someone back. Could the combo bring them through? In essence the reverse of what happened to Sirius?

[@JackAttack7]

That's a good question maybe that's why the Peverell Brothers created the Veil in the first place.

[@JD.Dreamer]

I feel that you’re correct about The first brother being the ceator of the killing curse as he bragged about KILLING a person in the bar while being drunk

[@Schacal6666]

The fact that Cadmus and Ignatios are both respectively the ancestors of Voldemort and Harry Potter is crazy.