Everything Wrong With Killing Floor 2's Weapons

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[@GoddessOfMisfortune]

The Chiappa Rhino actually has both a double and single action mode, which is why the player cocks the lever back. Still looks weird with the speed they do it, but hey, it's accurate.

[@munanchoinc]

But unnecessary

[@GoddessOfMisfortune]

@@munanchoinc Oh, for sure.

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

i guess the simple action mode of the Chiappa is too make the gun more accurate than the DB mode

[@phyl47]

@@GoddessOfMisfortune the single action makes it more accurate as you dont have to pull on the trigger longer and the shot is fired faster beause the trigger pull is much less compared to double action

[@ReapingRose115]

It's reused animations

[@freekill6568]

"AK-12: The model in-game was based on the prototype version which never entered service" This AK-12 will always be my AK-12, even if it's not AK-12, because I love AK-12, but not the current AK-12.

[@TheTroll10]

yeah the old one was unique, the new one is an ak-74 with plastic furniture and a slightly longer barrel

[@codname125]

KF2 still has some of the best weapon animations in the industry while being developed by an indie developer.

[@RedemtionDev]

Yes before Cod mw 2019

[@MYNAMEISFROWNER]

With the SCAR, a lot of operators do swap the charging handle to the right side so they don't get 𝘚𝘊𝘈𝘙 𝘣𝘪𝘵𝘦 and to avoid it hitting a piece of cover they're mounted on during travel.

[@theconsulfromthehl2betagam446]

Wait the Scar has it own variant of the Garand thumb?

[@MYNAMEISFROWNER]

@@theconsulfromthehl2betagam446 ... Yeah, kinda.

[@d3th_2_all]

@@MYNAMEISFROWNER I never heard of the SCAR having it's own Garand Thumb. How does SCAR bite even happen?

[@MYNAMEISFROWNER]

@@d3th_2_all It happens when you grip the weapon by the mag well and keep your thumb vertical. The charging handle travels along this path and can both hurt your finger and cause it to jam. This is something that can easily happen when firing in a competition or in combat. The most common way I've seen to get rid of this problem is to simply move the charging handle to the right side. The Presence of a vfg can also help.

[@ivanviera1582]

@@MYNAMEISFROWNER IIrc FN also sells variants of the SCAR that dont have recipocrating charging handles to avoid this issue too

[@ToriusHeart]

fun fact: MP7 and MP5 initial mag capacities used to be correct during the initial release of SWAT perk. Guess they decided that T1 MP7 was too good of an option over T2 MP5, so they nerfed MP7 and buffed MP5 by switching their mag sizes (not that it really helped, to me at least MP7 was still more useful because its sight is more open)

[@noobguy9973]

Why bother with sights? you can hip fire in this game just fine and you problably should since mobility is kinda important (unless you got sight skills but why whould you get sights skills?)

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

the MP7 caliber doesn't have piercing armor capability too in this game. its ammo is technically superior to the 9mm in reality. but at least in the game we can still upgrade its firepower to make it more effective than any 9mm guns like the AR15 SMG and the MP5

[@ReapingRose115]

@@daegnaxqelil2733 Correction: The MP7 fully upgraded has an increase of x2.3 base damage (36.8, original base damage at 16) The MP5 fully upgraded has an increase of x1.6 base damage (40, original base damage at 25) It's a slight difference but the MP7 would be technically inferior in game, and while it's free, if we were to take in the costs of fully upgrading the MP7, it'd cost 3300 Dosh, while the MP5 is 3450 Dosh. Update 1043 further made the MP5 extra appealing when considering the extra base damage and the reduced mag capacity of the MP7. Furthermore, while the 4.6 had some form of light armour penetrating capabilities, it's noted that its expansion capabilities are not particularly great in real life compared to defensive 9mm rounds. Furthermore, the 4.6 and 5.7 have both been proven to be rather ineffective against heavier armours and plates. It's biggest advantages are lighter recoil, small size for large capacity and high velocity for increased range.

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

@@ReapingRose115 effective in the rhythm we upgrade them then. for the rest , the tripwire team are too lazy to inform themselves and recreate the characteristic of a real gun and just put guns they likes here and there

[@bitmapjoe1488]

Reason for shells coming out the barrel is the wider FOV they didn't really think of fixing it

[@garfusa2]

"That's how you get this billy rockin!" Rae best girl.

[@FlutterGuy121]

There is a fairly well known bug with the open bolt guns that will depict them as closed bolt. For the longest time, the AA-12 would become a closed bolt gun after a few mags fired through it.

[@bitmapjoe1488]

The reason for that is when you empty a gun and swap to something and go back to that gun it will always have a close bolt until you drop it and pick it back up. The Mac-10 is more glitchy with it happening after a dry mag reload even if you don't swap guns with a dry mag

[@Eve.The.Whore.Of.Babylon]

Another bug that happens is that when inspecting a certair ARs after dry reloading them, the chamber would be closed and the bullet clips through it. I saw this happening with the SCAR, M16 and AR15

[@bishubi]

Fun fact about the FAMAS Masterkey (one of the later released DLC weapons outsourced to Saber Interactive): there used to be a fiddle animation where the player would grab the optic mounted on the rail and *slide it back and forth.* I'm not making this up. It was so hilariously ignorant that they patched it out after some backlash in a later fix.

[@Rattaz]

still gotta be one of the games with the best weapons and animations (if we dont count the most recent updates ofc)

[@Krejii05]

Ts annoying how people credit MW for the creation of smooth animations when this game did it before

[@destruction126]

For a old indie game I feel as if this game did so much GOOD though with weapons. I mean they had the iconic Modern Warfare (2019) animations before Modern Warfare (2019) lol.

[@nekochibi2256]

I’ve played over 2.5k hours on KF2, max prestige’s every perk, and main gunslinger. But somehow I never noticed the deagle hammer never fell forward to actually shoot. Very interesting video. I think a lot of the unnecessary visual flourishes are exactly that. It’s meant to look quirky and cool. I also think that it would be interesting to separate the weapons for tripwire weapons and saber interactive weapons. Because there’s a very stark difference in quality.

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

i know there is a skin mod on steam to get rid of these embellishments on these guns and making them less bling-bling

[@xDShot9000]

Odd, because the model has hammer rigged to bone.

[@PureRacing04]

I appriciate the eye for detail dude! But hands down the kf2 gunplay is damn satisfying and I rly like the little touch with the floating/vibrating barrels.

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

I think the shells/brass ejecting wrongly is some bug I've never saw this happening Or the devs are still breaking the game more and more

[@Bruhidk8835]

Next, we need to do either Tarkov or Rising Storm 2, if even they have mistakes in their weapons, I don't even know what's accurate anymore. 💀💀💀

[@FED0RA]

they do

[@depressedhans5142]

Just frogot the PPSH 41 on RS2 is only for game balance

[@EcchiRevenge]

Have you seen the AKM in RS2? (stock angle copy/paste of type 56) All AK/SVD chamber have zero detail(mag well doesn't exist, magazine pokes through a solid block).

[@Bruhidk8835]

@@EcchiRevenge How abt tarkov 🗿🗿🗿

[@EcchiRevenge]

@@Bruhidk8835 Tarkov, model wise, doesn't have significant issues if any.

[@Gods_favorite_idiot]

Legit blasting careless whisper by seether while working on a map for my althistory series and got the notif HYPE

[@havoc3-243]

Joke idea for British guns: Lods of Emone Even kf2 has a emone meme in the form of an sfm made in 2016-ish

[@Districnob]

Awesome new video! Also awesome synthwave music!

[@RagdollWraith]

one detail that always always REALLY bothered me is the special reloads that dual wield weapons do when there is only one shot left, where they will drop the magazine on one gun while retaining the magazine on the other gun, even though realistically both magazines would be empty when ejected. and of course the fact that one-round-left reloads still show a full magazine in your hand anyways this also ties in to the fact that if you were to reaload *any* gun with just one shot left it would drop an empty mag since the final round would be chambered and not in the mag, but i give this a pass as nitpicking im just kind of obsessed with mag dropping in games also lmao

[@thiagodequeirozsilva826]

14:31 Actually, when you reload, if there is still rounds in the fixed magazine, the character puts the correct amount of ammo in, the clip will be put out with remaining rounds in it.

[@EcchiRevenge]

Sad to see KF2 abandoned at this level of "attention to detail." Some of these weapon textures appear fucked up, and the later-released weapons had worse-looking animations, probably because they were outsourced.

[@lesleyguevarra5374]

Next up : everything wrong with borderlan- Payday 2's weapons

[@kamronchance825]

I love the origins you put for all them lol

[@lololopez503]

cool vid man! suggestion, you could do payday 2 next?

[@SamaelVR]

8:54 the shells are ejecting from the barrel again and the muzzle flash is too far forward just like the other examples. If I had to guess, it looks like these are two particle effects that somehow got moved too far forward on each gun affected.

[@Napsta115]

The fov is too high the particles and stuff gets far away when is high

[@Napsta115]

The shells and muzzles being foward is because a high fov killing floor does not move the gun model foward but the particles for some reason do

[@panchito_1002]

4:09 I knew God’s *DUMMY THICC* caliber wouldn’t disappoint

[@maximepires2603]

M16A4 with full auto instead of its burst, so its tecnically an M16A3 with M203 instead which actually fires in full auto

[@seanherrmann6301]

An M16A3 is a full auto version of the A2

[@maximepires2603]

@@seanherrmann6301 Exactly why in the video its a A3

[@seanherrmann6301]

@@maximepires2603 Neither the A2 nor the A3 has pic rail

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

maybe modified with rails

[@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337]

Chiappa Rhino: cocking the lever does actually work to make it fire in single action, the problem is that the lever will not stay back like a traditional hammer as the hammer is internal, and the lever should spring forward to its at rest position S&W500: it's the opposite. All double action/single action revolver lockwork blocks the cylinder from releasing from the frame and swinging out if the hammer is COCKED, the hammer NEEDS to be uncocked to swing out the cylinder. There is actually nothing wrong with the S&W500 animations. MP7: the stock isn't extended and used just like the MAC-10 AA-12: as an open-bolt weapon with a non-reciprocating handle, the animations in game are correct. DP-12: one error missed is that the game does not account for the user firing an odd number of shells and reloading, as realistically reloading upon firing, say, 5 rounds should load 15, not 16, as the character hasn't cycled the action to rechamber both barrels, and one barrel should still have a fired shell in it. Mosin: you should have specified spent casing, as upon normal operation it should eject an unfired cartridge upon cycling the action to tactical reload. It also actually does keep track of spent ammo, as the stripper clip that is removed will have the same number of cartridges as the ammunition remaining before reload, but it actually should have one less than that number to account for the aforementioned removed unfired cartridge. Winchester 1894: it appears to be loading a straight walled cartridge, possibly .45 Colt, .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum, or a number of old and obsolete cartridges, but not .30-30 which has a shoulder. L85A2: it uses Magpul Gen 2 PMAGs which are incompatible with the SA-80 family. At the time of the game's release, they should instead use USGI M16 magazines as is NATO standard, or Magpul EMAGs

[@kangarumpy]

The shell-eject location changes with your FoV

[@axelyoung1551]

There's also the fact that the characters practically pull of the slide off of the gun when the inspect it like that.

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

Munancho>>>>>>>>>M4sked

[@doomplayer7929]

In that you are right friend

[@andresa.ruizv.7413]

8:22 In the animation for the MAC-10 it looks like it doesn't press the release button at the back of the grip. A L4D2 addon has the animation and you can increase the model FOV and see better the hand.

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

That intro is beautiful

[@Horgler]

The MP5 is an A4, not an A2 because of the burst fire selector.

[@Horgler]

@@daegnaxqelil2733 No it's not. Fixed stock is A2 and A4, retracting stock is A3 and A5. The A2 and A3 are semi or auto. The A4 and A5 have an additional burst mode.

[@ryszakowy]

killing floor 2 team remembered to make like 7 different reload animations depending on perk level but forgot to NOT pull the slide all the way to the back to avoid ejecting rounds also 9mm beretta from first KF sounds better than KF2 one, fight me, bite me, i am right.

[@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming]

Missed one. The M16A4 was never full auto. Only 3 round burst.

[@Tri_Nguyen_]

Honestly though "Mafia Town" was a real place

[@Collisto2435]

"The casings are ejected from the barrel" How did I never notice this until now?

[@d3th_2_all]

They don't defaultly. He's playing with a modified fov and kf2 doesn't accommodate that so the muzzle flash and shells are too far forward because of that

[@hamac6156]

For the MAC 10 the player doesn't press the mag release. Also isn't the double 1911 from pizza land?

[@ThatYellowCat]

I'll give it a pass to the double barrel shotgun, because 2 shells are from the animation and the other 2 is from the ones that drop into the ground, in slo-mo it's pretty visible that detail, but when you're playing isn't noticeable

[@spyfreakm1]

I love your "origins"

[@ilyaz5543]

ah yes my doctor-ordered gun nerd video

[@John-rq6lr]

04:45 "you cant swing out the cylinder without first cocking the hammer." you can. In fact you can't release the cylinder on a lot of s&w revolvers with the hammer cocked.

[@deciusloverain5434]

Is is normal when that huge minigun box contains only 90 rounds? Looks like it can take 400-500+...

[@dualwieldbananas9128]

you forgot the MP5 and UMP45 have 3 round bursts when the only have 2 round bursts. always thought that was an odd design decision

[@kietvo2633]

what music in your video ?

[@davvvvo]

5:14 is that 22lr casings falling out on the second tap.

[@lewisepicfootycontent5934]

Very entertaining

[@ToriusHeart]

wait, didnt most of KF2 maps take place in France and not UK?

[@breadymold3206]

Both

[@minhlongnguyen3325]

Some of them were being bugged, I think, I havent seen some of those "wrong before".

[@troypowers750]

*_THERE'S NO ONE IN THE CHAMBER! CARDINAL SIN!_*

[@ziomccall4085]

Ah Killing Floor,the game that turns everyone into a British.

[@mr.hungee9624]

11:22 I feel like its a visual issue Not sure, but it feels like your not supposed to see 3rd person casings from yourself

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Please upload that intro separated

[@Walter-go2wy]

sorry, looking on youtube and then later on wikipedia, I saw that the (Arsenal Firearms AF2011A1) is not American, but Italian. Obviously it takes its cue from colt 1911 but the creator of the (af) is Italian and not American.

[@depressedhans5142]

16:50 also game say it was found on dead Spetnaz body problem here that Spetnaz don't acpect this thing

[@TheDeathMedic]

Haha British T-Doll go brrrrrrrrr

[@RagdollWraith]

id also give mag capacities (for balance) and fire selector animations a pass but thats just me.

[@Wind2000channel]

4:08 Spaghetti and Borscht

[@danialyousaf6456]

4:30, accurate other than the fact that there is no way someone can wrap there hand completely around one. It's too wide. Nevermind, saw Jerry miculek dual wield two of these.

[@munanchoinc]

People's hands could just be large. I can't argue with biology but could with manmade design

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@munanchoinc yeah, some people have big hands, but still, trying to hold onto a rectangular grip isn't easy, especially of it has a decent amount of kick to it.

[@danialyousaf6456]

@@munanchoinc and by rectangular I mean width wise.

[@Anintora]

THE COUNTRY ORIGIN NAMES ARE SO BASED LMFAOOOOOO

[@RagdollWraith]

15:06 brass comes out of your *fingers*

[@naiveveg8447]

a2011 is from italy irl though.

[@MHoang1312]

Love the country's nickname :D

[@freedoomer2524]

No the brass check wouldn’t eject the rounds. The slide isn’t pulled back far enough (9mm pistol) Something you forgot to count for the new model armies is that you can’t pull the pin while the ramrod is up

[@freedoomer2524]

Also the player moves the hammer back making the cylinder fall out without having to use their hand since the guns hand will do it

[@munanchoinc]

@@freedoomer2524 1. The slide pulled back far enough for the brass check to eject the rounds. When performing brass checks, it's typically done pulling halfway from the slide through the receiver to avoid ejecting the round in the chamber. 2. You actually can't just drop the cylinder. Hell there's literally a video explaining it in detail kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHXWe5x-pNqZa9k

[@freedoomer2524]

@@munanchoinc for the 1911 definitely. As for the 9mm pistol, I would say it’s close but fully all the way back. As I explained, the character doesn’t drop the cylinder, they pull the hammer back rotating the cylinder and it pops out. Yes that’s not exactly how it works but it’s better than them dropping it

[@freedoomer2524]

@@munanchoinc are you reading my comments? The player pulls the hammer back not quite fully from what I can tell, which rotates the cylinder and makes it come out

[@munanchoinc]

@@freedoomer2524 ah sorry, it didn't load up the comment completely

[@viniciuszamboni777]

The AF2011s are from italy...

[@ReapingRose115]

With the SA80A2, there are picatinny rail mounts that are available as an adaptor to the dovetail. It's used in current configurations with the British Army, though the KF2 version looks more like it was welded on or considering the lore, the guns were 3D Printed this way. The AK-12's reload animations were referenced from their then weapons advisor who mo-capped reloads with a variety of airsoft replicas. They only had your bog standard AK at the time to work with. Later additions however reused animations from other guns or were lazily slapped dashed as much of the original animation team had left Tripwire at that time. Also to add, while yes KF1 was set in Britain, KF2, less so.

[@Leshyman]

When it's a gun from WWII Germany you should just put a generic censorship image from Google images as the flag, that'd be funny I think

[@spiritmeister8579]

20:58 You put "the" twice.

[@TheTroll10]

lmao dp12dm and masterkey dm

[@thedarksoul2279]

Your videos are good, but the jokes it really make it feel stupid

[@lamnguyenxuan6636]

Why you call germany it’s my money gone again

[@Anintora]

Missed opportunity to name the UK "Wankers"

[@Theottselmaster]

Origin: Diabetes XD

[@DrSmoke2104]

I just watched 4 minutes of your video and couldn't understand anything.

[@Wind2000channel]

14:10 Flag: of Russia Origin: Ukraine WTF moment

[@jarritos_sodabottle]

Yow

[@ket2ZEchoppah]

I am American and not against masks. f-feel like I have to point that out...

[@sergeylukin9111]

pal games NOT about full REALISTIC.Get off from the games. Specialy from KF2.

[@Eve.The.Whore.Of.Babylon]

The double barrel ejects 4 shells because the two you see being ejected is from the animation, the 2 other that appear later are "props" for the spent shells. Every weapon creates those after firing