Everything wrong with male CAS in The Sims 4

There is not enough nice normal CAS for men in The Sims 4 and I want to rant about it!
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[@SatchOnSims]

For everyone who misinterpreted what I said... I DO believe The Sims SHOULD have gender neutral clothing. But I DON'T think it should come at the expense of traditionally masculine CAS. Inclusivity means everyone is included, including those who appreciate traditional masculine styles. Neglecting one for the sake of the other isn't equality it's favouritism. Inclusivity (in this context) means everyone is able to style sims that represent them including those who appreciate traditionally masculine styles :)

[@benjilinus5963]

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[@erinrhianne]

We all know what you meant, you didn't say anything hateful at all, people are just terminally online

[@TheZazzledZebra]

What you said made perfect sense babes people just wanna pick a fight over the smallest of things even though it was clearly obvious what u meant !

[@wittysimmerYT]

I agree 💯 I feel like I can never make a normal everyday guy. I'm gay but I like masculine clothes lol

[@southernsun9890]

Do not ever apologise to the online people, we all understood what you meant and we agree! Apologising gives the more power and in their mind validate their point, just ignore them because they will be offended again as soon as they watch the next KZbin video!

[@CherryCresent]

The person who suggested having feminine, gender neutral and masculine as separate categories, I'm hoping they do something like that for sims 5... Theres definitely a place for gender neutral clothing, but that place shouldn't be INSTEAD of masculine clothing

[@hanayamamoto4239]

Why wait til sims 5? They are perfectly capable of doing it now. Though to be honest they will just slap a 40 dollar pay wall on it or break it up into like 10 kits

[@CherryCresent]

@@hanayamamoto4239 I agree, but considering they can't even figure out how to mesh feminine clothes on the masculine frame, I don't have much trust they'd make it anything than a shitty hot fix. ( non-English players still don't have custom pronouns 🙃)

[@hanayamamoto4239]

@@CherryCresent that's a good point sadly 😥

[@erinrhianne]

Yeah I mean they did that menswear pack last year or whenever it was (the year before potentially, I honestly can't remember) and most of the stuff in there was like... Feminine clothing for men as opposed to masculine clothing. Which is absolutely fine but people were asking for new clothing for masculine Sims and they took that and heard 'bet, here's a Harry Styles cc pack'

[@wandauriel]

Yes! I would love to have separate categories like these. I'm fine with gender neutral things (I'm wearing them a lot myself) but why is this on place of men's clothing/ hairstyles is beyond me

[@HeidiSholl]

I think the Sims team just needs to go into a H&M or any shop. A lot of CAS doesn't look like clothes, it looks like costume

[@corabeani]

Nah. I think they will stick to shopping at Goodwill.

[@Fiemus9]

True! But I would also like bougee stuff. Like English menswear or sportswear

[@HeidiSholl]

@@Fiemus9 As a native English, we're not that bougee 😂 More Roadmen really!

[@Fiemus9]

@Heidi Sholl Oh yeah, lol. I know, i love visiting you! I didn't mean the actual things brits wear! I mean like old fashioned tailored English style Ie. Peaky Blinders, Kingsman. You know tory fashion 😂

[@HeidiSholl]

@@Fiemus9 Oh yeah, I know what you mean 😂 Landed Gentry wear! I'd love some more stuff like that generally too! And goth/emo stuff! Honestly, there's a list at this point, but they definitely need to spend an afternoon having a look around some real shops 😂

[@anahenriques.]

“You wouldn’t see me dead in something like that.” This pretty much summarises Sims 4 CAS.

[@hanayamamoto4239]

I never had an issue before because I always stuck to 2 outfits and focused on female sims. But I decided to do an 8 sim household and 6 of them are men. How exactly am I supposed to make them look different?! They all look like they are wearing uniforms because the CAS items are all the same!

[@Fiemus9]

Saaaame! I had a couple that got 5 boys, and I was a struggle!

[@hesterwright3674]

I guess that kinda is realistic tho 😂 a lot of men dress very similarly unless they're like alternative/goths or whatever. My boyfriend is constantly complaining that all men's clothes irl are the same, Jeans and a t shirt or chinos and a t shirt etc etc. No variety. My main issue is that all the mens stuff in the sims 4 is ugly or weird, you can choose either a sequin suit or ugly basics.

[@fruity4820]

I once got a triplet of boys so I made them wear the same outfit but in blue green and red like the trio in DackTales, then when they aged up one of them ended up with random feminine/neutral staff and I said "screw this, that's a non-banery pal if I ever seen one, let's just have them wear feminine and neutral stuff" because I was so sick of having the exact same cloths for all the kids + their stupid parents had like 2 more boys soon after the trio was born, before finally getting a girl. And also almost half of the kids ended up being Erratic, there was something extremely weird about them😂

[@ayyymacaroni]

@@fruity4820 Ah, yes. Hubert, Dewbert, and Loubert

[@PositivelyNice]

This is the complain I never knew I needed! I was trying to recreate a character from a Korean show. You know how simple Korean working males dress? Yet I struggled to find CAS for my character!!! You are spot on about how male CAS is bad because it has nothing normal.

[@Nervous101]

​@@tf4g a small kit compared to a whole category of clothing that should be appropriate?

[@JazzyJeff910]

There’s so much they could do for men but they continue ignore us. Starting to think it’s deliberate at this point. Every pair of jeans is either high waters or cuffed super high at the leg. The swatches are even worse. Nothing matches. Even black clothing are usually different shades of black. Men CAS needs a full revamp.

[@Fiemus9]

This! It's such a limiting experience

[@Fiemus9]

I would love if they, for both men and women, made a basic normal clothes update. But yeah the men are def a problem I almost always end up picking the same 3 pants for my dudes or like 5 same shirts, cause all of it is so weird. Most dudes don't dress like an instagram catalogue.

[@m4tta]

get ready for “normal clothes kit”

[@Fiemus9]

@@m4tta God no 💀😂

[@gwynpeters6029]

I think basics are what is missing across the board. Like, I would love more plain button ups, simple but nicely fitted clothes.

[@Fiemus9]

@@gwynpeters6029 true

[@ayyymacaroni]

@@m4tta Normie Styles CAS Kit, $49.99

[@anomalytenacious]

I think the biggest issue is the clothes for males doesn't seem to fit them properly, most clothes are too big or too tight, or have a weird clunky look to it like the suit at 2:28 which is a nice historical suit, but the fit is made to look wonky on most of the male bodies, making it hard to appreciate. The hair suffers from the same issue too, they suffer from bad meshes like the original afro did. To see what I mean look up "Base-game hair redux by miiko," she only shows females, but the before and afters I think highlight the real issue with most of the male CAS, the meshes are not made in a way to flatter men at all.

[@turtlelover8938]

Yes!!! Like more than half the stuff for men fit terribly on them!!

[@beebo5685]

I think its most noticeable for masculine cas, but I think in general that the Sims team dont pull inspiration from real life people. Everything feels like they went as far as pinterest or instagram and not just the folks at the park or the grocery store. (Even in build mode I saw someone joke that the only reason you are forced to make that "trendy" 🤢 thriftshop and boba shop combo in HSY is cause there was one of those by their HQ and thought it was universal.) Not everyone is following aesthetics and trends. It sucks trying to make sims, especially masculine, that dont look like they hopped out of tiktok. To me it kinda shows that as much as they cheer about simmers writing their own story they seem to expect the masculine sims story to eternally go: trendy teen, fruity young adult, and then the dadliest dad you've ever seen.

[@Fiemus9]

True looked like they hopped out of TikTok is spot on. like if i had to recreate my dad or my uncle, it would be near impossible to have more than one outfit

[@AsterLea]

I think that's what annoyed me the most about the men's fashion kit. We could really use some good basics for male sims, but instead of giving us that, they gave us even more new hyper specific styles. If the base game was already full of generally useful stuff it would have been good to add some variety like that for people who want more unique styles, but as it is it just felt like more of the stuff that the vast majority people won't use except in a few specific cases.

[@lunaredelvour2972]

It's so nice to hear someone saying it! Just because I want more traditionally masculine options for my Sims, that doesn't mean I want to get rid of the gender-neutral or soft boy or flamboyant options too. We can (and should) have both and it's really frustrating when someone forgets and makes a really unpleasant assumption about me

[@filipbogusz]

I feel like The Sims 4 CAS is missing some really basic items. There aren't enough simple clothes and hair not only for guys, but for all of the categories. I'd be much happier if there were some plain t-shirts, regular pants, and simpler hairstyles instead of all these crazy flashy outfits. When I compare it to older versions like The Sims 2 or 3, they had a lot of fun themed stuff, but they also had plenty of regular clothes. I believe that it's just a cash-grab from EA because they'll add one basic swatch in a pack just so you'll buy it to have some basic choice.

[@corabeani]

I laughed seeing some of the new clothing on the male Sims because it looks crazy or really old like Sims 4 is the 60s or 70s for male Sims but 2020s for females aside from the clearly vintage stylization. But also some of the males had better butts than the females in the female pants, so you can't help but laugh about the choices.

[@DinoBabyGaming]

They’re definitely doing more gender neutral clothes/hairs now. I’ve noticed a decile in quality with women’s hairs recently too. LOTS of short hairs that are specifically made for both sexes. I wish they would go back to making masculine hairs for men and feminine long hairs for women. If we want our women to have short masculine hair, it’s very easy to just add the masculine tag filter and pick one. I don’t see why we have to start adding them as actual feminine hairs when they aren’t.

[@erinrhianne]

They just seem like they have a fetish for androgyny and want men and women to look exactly the same tbh

[@DinoBabyGaming]

@@kawaiimika7974 i disagree. There was maybe 1 good hairstyle in the newest pack which is the braided bun. The rest of them were not good.

[@corabeani]

I halfway agree because I feel that closing the diversity and LGBTQ+ gaps have become a priority for Maxis. This I cannot complain about at all since I love that. I will say, my personal own Hermione Granger wild bushy curly wavy combo that is a Monstrosity of a hair style isn't represented so I would personally love to see my wild long curls come into the game as well as different colors since there's a large gap between red and brown and brown and black. Not to mention we need light pastel dyes as well as dark dyes and less boldly neon hot pink dye for hair colors.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Need more waist length long hair.

[@maneskinned]

@@Ready-ForTheEnd FR!! the "long" hairs aren't even that long tbh. that's where cc comes in clutch for me but i wish ea would just step tf up damn

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

They need to look outside America? More like they need to look outside of CALIFORNIA. Because that's what most of their style choices stem from. In Alabama it's extremely rare to see a guy walking down the street in a crop top and skinny jeans.

[@bucketofsunshine6366]

Exactly.

[@lost_pantheon]

The Sims team can't make male clothing without making it some hipster nightmare. Not that there's anything wrong with hipster Sims, but that's basically the Sims 4's whole aesthetic at this point

[@erinrhianne]

"You're either a fun dad or you're a twink and there's absolutely no in-between" hahahah

[@emmetlover206]

People want to be so inclusive they are forgetting that most people won't put their male sim in a dress or a skirt.

[@steggopotamus]

I have a lot of sims I've modified or created. I have a few fem boy and metrosexual or whatever, but most are just Cis and not looking to innovate on their clothing much. So, most "woke" people are also looking for a realistic representation.

[@7090138]

That red/grey tracksuit has some heavy "How do you do fellow kids?" vibes!

[@TheZazzledZebra]

I always love playing with and creating male sims even though I’m a female and it has ALWAYS bothered me how poor the choices are for male sims unless you want to make them like hipster or edgy etc. it’s really hard to make lots of unique male sims that just have a generic dress sense it is PAINFUL

[@hedgerow.homestead]

We need a minimalist/capsule wardrobe inspired thing. Basic styles with basic swatches than can all be mixed and matched together to create endless possibilities. Clean, well fitted, everyday kind of pieces.

[@corabeani]

Normal flannel.

[@MK_1Ultra]

Take a shot every time Satch says, "Masculine" 😂😂

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

I dress like a Sim from Sims 2 - a shirt, long jeans and shoes and THAT'S the look we need. A simple one.

[@Emil_Stoltz]

Yeah, that's the thing. People say like "Oh, EvErYoNe CaN wEaR wHaTeVeR tHeY wAnT", but forget there literally is an option called "preferred clothing" (or something like that, I play in Swedish) that lets you choose if your Sim prefers female clothing or male clothing. By taking female clothing and putting it in the male clothing section, not only is EA defeating the purpose of a "preferred clothing" option but they're also basically saying they're too lazy to make actual male clothing

[@Ray_Vun]

the worse part is that you can't even get much male cc either, because most cc creators either only do female cc, or they do male and female, but it's predominantly female with maybe a couple male items

[@AlexisTwoLastNames]

and the cc is so trendy! or alpha. i just want maxis match regular dood shit ugh.

[@paulakurzawinska8654]

I'm nonbinary myself and I must say that at the end of the day, masculine fashion ended up more gender-neutral. It's actually kind of a struggle because even though I dress as masculine as I can to not be perceived as a woman, I still am. I live in Poland and what I see on men, I see on women as well, but what I see on women, I don't see on men. The only things I can see as actually masculine rn are ties, various suits and short hair, the rest ended up being gender-neutral. I just think we need more t-shirts in general. And re-do of old CAS hair.

[@Nervous101]

Are you serious? Men irl look like men and wear masculine clothes, they do not look gender neutral or female. They either look well educated or basic.

[@feenprinz]

(Sorry if I sound too woke here but) it's because male is the "default" - a woman in men's clothing is more acceptable while a man in woman's clothing is perceived as "less of a man". And for some reason EA tried to fix that problem by making everything feminine-ish x)

[@wandauriel]

It kind of is the thing apparently 😅 I have similar observation - I'm non binary from Poland too 👋 Maybe it's cultural thing, I'm not sure

[@mwahha6965]

@@feenprinz yeh agreed

[@mwahha6965]

I am non binary too and there’s so many unisex fashions irl I don’t understand the fuss simmers have with the clothes

[@meh_lady]

They have always avoided simplicity across the board. We want mix and match basics in every aspect of the game. Seems like that would be the easiest to create yet they never do! If they’re needing inspiration, they can literally walk out the door and look at everyday working class people or even google it. 😂

[@punkrockerlego]

One of my complain on male cas is there's no dyed ombre hair style for males, most of the dyed hair style are styled for women. The only short dyed hair is both base game, one styled for women and the other one a mohawk. Oh just remember they added the DU dread that has a dyed variation more of those please! I don't own many pack so I may be wrong but we don't seem to have male jeans that gets tucked inside boots. I know it's not on trend anymore but I still want the option

[@seacoloredsky]

a lot of male cas really looks good on women--in theory, because they still didn't care enough to fit the meshes onto opposite gender frames. i look at my old tomboy sims and they're so goofy 😭😭

[@kawaiipikafum2530]

I just wanna make a hot biker guy yet all I get is soft boy or cool dad 😔

[@jamescarson6823]

As a gay guy, I don't play female Sims. The lack of CAS for male Sims is frustrating and I'm not just talking about missing a leather bulldog harness.

[@lysanne201]

The worst part is a lot of these tops I want to wear on my feminine built sim, but it's unwearable because it doesn't fall naturally, boobs get pointy, and it's unnaturally stuck inbetween the boobs

[@westanimesims]

I do hope the ratio of male/female clothes in the Sims are 40/60 instead of 25/75. Yes this has been the complaint for years and very little has changed. In fact the later packs have uninspiring styles so here we are.

[@rowynnecrowley1689]

Why aren't ties accessories that we can add separately?

[@LavenderSkyla]

Sims should do a "Basics" Cas pack. Regular hoodies, regular jeans, Grey sweats with no weird designs or cropped weird, regular shirts that aren't too tight or overly baggy, regular beanies (we have just one normal beanie hat for both women and men, all the other hats are silly looking). They did a male feminine Cas pack that was very leaning towards one type of person. And that's fine. But I'd like to dress my male sims and son sims in something I see people wear everyday and not just very dramatic or odd prints on basic clothes

[@corabeani]

I want normal looking flannel shirts and jeans.

[@pamelawatson9280]

Totally agree, I love the diversity but literally all my males almost use the same outfits and hairs because 80% of them awful and also I can't have all my males be gays or else and its pretty overdid now to the normal males clothes.

[@BennyCadillac]

Mostly agree, but I am gay, and I also want more masc representation. Yes, even gay men think the sims 4 cas is too fem.

[@WriterOfMany]

​@BennyCadillac and not only that but I know there's masc gay men too! Not all gay men wanna dress flamboyantly or fem 🤷‍♀️

[@WitchBye]

Thank you for being so honest and down to earth and realistic. Everything you said was right on. I and a few other simmers have made such comments and got raked over the coals, ganged up on, and accused of all sorts of ridiculous things. I really don't care what they think of me, I just want what you pointed out, that it is supposed to be about inclusivity but really isn't. Majority of men don't dress like this, they don't walk around looking like Harry Styles. Harry Styles probably wouldn't dress like that, either, if he wasn't a pop star and wanted the attention and to be "edgy". Also, need to point out that Styles is, ummm, British. Trust me, American men don't dress like this either. Appreciate you for being someone with a platform and and not jumping on the bandwagon, just saying out loud what most people are really thinking. Wishing you the best.

[@omnimonium]

As a trans male, I absolutely agree with you. I need gender affirming clothing as much as anyone else does, and there just isn't a big variety. I always end up choosing the same sweaters, suits, and jeans for my sims because they're the few ones that work well and look masculine. This isn't just for cis men, it's for all masculine-presenting people, and the fact the Sims hasn't realized that does make it very gender exclusive.

[@aprilmay4328]

i make a lot of male sims and i never realized how much i tend to struggle, especially how you laid it out here. thank you for this video :)

[@6pistol]

i’m glad someone feels my pain😭 i always end up spending more time on my male sims because almost EVERYTHING in the catalog is fruity (i hv all the packs too). i’m bi myself and love all the fun fashion options and inclusivity but there are like two things in the whole fckn game that a straight man would actually wear!

[@Fiemus9]

I just want to make the Shelby family in the Sims 4! What is wrong with masculinity, isn't inclusivity about indcluding everyone?

[@LaraCroft36]

Omg SAME

[@m4tta]

inclusivity has lost most of its meaning for a while now

[@Fiemus9]

@@LaraCroft36 Right?! English fashion does wonders 😍😍😂

[@Fiemus9]

@matta TRUE! Here in Denmark we talked about problems with the word being abused in the schooling system to rob special needs kids of assistance in the name of "integrating them into normal schools" and all it did was make those children become completely invisible and abandoned. All the way back in 2008!

[@TheZazzledZebra]

“It’s very twinky” 😭🤣🤣

[@Lovlyb35]

I agree!! I been saying this for years and everytime the male clothes get more feminine and terrible looking. Its time for some more masculine male clothes for male sims. This is why I use cc on my males, damn shame I shouldn't have too though.

[@yageshabazz3456]

Yes 👏🏾 Although I do believe femboys deserve recognition it shouldn’t be at the cost of masculine men’s representation

[@Kristenn666]

@@yageshabazz3456 ya, I love me some femboys but I don’t want just femboys in my world. I want all types of couples & single sims in my game !! Thankful for CC for sure.

[@woodpigeon7776]

I adore your roast of the design. It’s as if they have created the illusion of bountiful choice, but those choices are garish primary colours/patterns. I really think the kind of choice we actually want is, like, different shades of white. CAS is like a jumble sale where you have to look past mountains of worthless garbage to find a handful appropriate items, and then only ever seek out those items when playing, automatically tuning out the garbage.

[@corabeani]

I don't want just white. Need black and gray and maybe green, blue, and red too. And flannel... But normal looking and not whatever they are doing because it's wrong.

[@6pistol]

i want more red clothes that aren’t disgustingly bright. i look at some of the swatches and think: “who tf thought this was a good idea???”

[@corabeani]

@@6pistol Right. Like little black dress is one thing to add, but none of the red in game seems to match well. You have a red dresses but the lipstick in red is too pink or too dark to match the bright red and there aren't any shoes that match. it's to the point I'd take a variety of shoes kit too lol

[@mygetawayart]

what i hate most about sims 4 cas is 1: the shape of male sims, like the actual body shape. It's awful and unrealistic. The muscles are painted on and unless your sim has a perfectly normal slim body, he'll look awful with clothes on...ESPECIALLY SUITS. Both Sims 2 and 3 nailed the body shape and even in 4, the female body model is great, it's just the male sims 4 model that looks absolutely ridiculous. 2: Female clothes on Male sims look absolutely awful. They didn't bother to remodel the fem clothes for male bodies so now most female outfit choices have weird bumps or have clear boobs painted on or deform the sim's body shape. 3: basically your point about having fem hairstyles simply plopped onto the men's category to pad out the numbers. 4: just in general having too few actually masculine options. And how the meshes fit weirdly on the models doesn't help.

[@icedceilin]

Exactly why the only body cc I get are for the men. The base game makes them look like cartoon characters...

[@mpkio]

Being a man isn't toxic masculity, as you said. And I agree with what you say; having both gender netural clothing is great, but we do need more masculine cas stuff, so that people can make sims that are based on themselevs, cause the maxis stuff is just horrible, imo. This is why I download cc masculine stuff from the internet.

[@Rosebriar42]

I think making male sims would be easier if we had more traditionally masculine clothes, hair, etc. Just trying to make a dad sim is difficult with the current selection. They need to walk into an H&Mm maybe a freaking Walmart or Men's warehouse. More facial hair would be nice.

[@yYSilverFoxYy]

On the bright side, you can dress a full household of 8 pimps and make them all look unique and authentic.

[@corabeani]

I need to do this

[@anaramos7500]

I agree so much with you about the inclusivity ! And it's not fair, we have a lot of hyperfeminine clothing, why not some hypermasculine too ? It's ok, we can be woke and like men who dress conventionnaly manly, that's not even an excuse. And there isn't even a lot of cc to repair this... A lot of the best cc I've found for male sims is alpha looking and it's ... well... alpha. It clashes too much with the rest of my maxis match, it's awful. of course the classic cc creators have a lot of nice things, but still a lot of them are gender neutral ): I second you Satch on the polo and the fact that they should look elsewhere than the US for fashion !

[@corabeani]

There's a lot of diversity in US cities, but it's like the Maxis team doesn't go outside or something. The designs from nearly all their clothing is some weird combo of vintage and what the heck is that?! I don't mind the vintage style, but they kill it when the decision is to make wild patterns for the mesh that don't even look good on it.

[@anaramos7500]

@@corabeani you are probably right, I don't know enough about the US to answer, but what I can say is that most european fashion is not represented in the sims, and that could be interesting to look at. You are right about the vintage too, we are missing some simple basics from our time, it would be really simple and nice to add ! A lot of cc I have for men is like simple shirts and turtlenecks and simple jeans too lol

[@corabeani]

@@anaramos7500 I mean my friend group is Korean, Greek, American, and a few others mixed in (middle eastern), but most were born in the US/over seas and came to the US. While yes, some of the people wear traditional styles of their home country/backgrounds it is still mixed in with basics that make both style choices look really nice. I will say I think US people have a very limited understanding of fashion because it all fits into the stereotypes (prep, jock, punk, goth, geek, etc) it wouldn't kill Sims 4 to have European fashion or any other culture since the world is such a diverse place.

[@anaramos7500]

@@corabeani totally agree !

[@What-fv1yl]

What the hell is alpha clothes

[@MayannHanna]

Might be because EA _only_ has that kind of man around them and don't know what the usual, general masculinity is like.

[@shawnarice7374]

I completely agree with you, male sims got a slap in the face when it comes to cas

[@Kestrel1955]

This is the biggest reason I use so many men's clothing mods.

[@cottemonyy]

1:09 this one is actually pretty real lol the boys my school get their hair up like this

[@jossstarstorm8044]

I remember being traumatized when I bought the Male kit. At first, I was so happy that I was going to get a man’s kit with man clothes, and then I saw, and I almost died😂 Please, for the love of Jesus! Get us some normal man clothes

[@ecclecticsimmer2578]

its almost like they let you see the items before you buy a pack 🤯

[@jossstarstorm8044]

Have to understand. I was so happy that there was a Man kit. I just bought it because there was a man kit. So you can understand of my blind joy the finally there was gonna be a kit for men

[@parallel2465]

@@jossstarstorm8044 And the entire kit revolved around gender neutral clothing rather than masculine, they couldn't even get that right lol. Someone needs to show Maxis there is a difference between maculine, feminine and gender neutral style clothing and people do have their preferences.

[@parallel2465]

@@kawaiimika7974 Most people who play the sims sadly, I can't count the number of times people post "Is ThIs ChIcKeN FrOm a PaCk I bOuGht?? " or "WhEn dId ThEy AdD VaCuUMs to My GaMe??"

[@LaraCroft36]

​@@parallel2465 that's just foolish, ngl. They're extremely expensive for what you get compared to other games which have dlcs. We often complain that EA needs to change, but when a large part of the people who play the sims just throw their money at them like it's nothing, its natural that the Sims team take us for granted

[@dreckigerdan8244]

I don't know if i am only bad at cas especially for men, but besides clothing and hair i really have struggles to create "manly" faces. There is nothing wrong with softer face- features in a man, but i wanted a face a little bit more prominent/striking. I can totally relate to this Video, haha😂

[@augusto7681]

The game have a cartoony aesthethic so even a rustic men look a bit goofy but is possible to create a manly men in the game.

[@onemoreweirdo207]

Same here, I have so much fun creating women, and recently I have been expirimenting with more features. But for male sims, they always look off. I would have thought it was a me problem too, but many people seem to have that problem. Honestly, clikcing random until something workable comes up and then slightly tweaking it is the only way to get a good manly face. Which sucks, because that has let me playing almost exclusively with female sims.

[@maneskinned]

@@onemoreweirdo207 helpppp this is literally me😭i want to make manly rugged men but their faces always turn out so feminine. so glad im not the only one

[@Miluielle]

Some tips - square jaws, lower cheek bones a little so they don't give a blush look but a more a a harsh line. Bushier eye brows. Thinner lips. Try to find images to guide you.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

@@Miluielle Also smaller eyes. The eyes really do help a fair bit.

[@missink1728]

I agree. Making a simple male sim outfit is hard.

[@monalisa8504]

What's really missing in men's cas is 50 swatches of male pattern baldness because let's be honest, this is realistic.

[@hollischeblume6393]

oh yeah I was making a male sim yesterday, I wanted to make him look like a typical metalhead so I decided to give him long hair but I actually had to go to the women's hairstyles to find some nice long hair

[@viicxyz]

I appreciate the effort that EA makes to create more gender non-conforming clothing, but sometimes I just want to create a masculine male sim. I'm queer and I still prefer creating masculine male sims, and right now male CAS is lacking variety and just basic clothing that looks good.

[@rowynnecrowley1689]

There's a huge problem with female hair, too. There's not a lot female hair that looks good on white sims.

[@vOID-fh1qt]

This seems like a you problem to be honest, it's about 70/30 in regards to straight vs textured hair types in the sims

[@joyfulgirl91]

@@vOID-fh1qt yeah and most of textured hairs look fine on white sims too, this is a simself problem

[@vanillathebard]

You know the choices in create a sim are off when you can only find decent choices by taking off all filters and sifting through it all like kitty litter on trash day.

[@awfurfracksake]

Everything is way too feminine in this game and it's so annoying.Not all men are feminine! I also noticed that he hair they add to the game almost always seems to be black hair And that's true about the US fashion thing, it's so annoying. Only in the US is masculinity seen as "bad" smh. they act like they'd be called misogynists if they add manly stuff into the game or something. I'd love to see more European based things especially for men, there's way too many female clothes in comparison. It would be great. I live in Scotland and not every 2 men I see are flamboyant or feminine or people who identify as stereotypical they/thems. it's just so annoying that the sims team do this. they're more focused on woke shit than anything else. which is fine to be inclusive but they only ever add minority stuff into the game and this is coming from a trans man who dresses a MASCULINE as I can

[@Atabew]

Making sims teen and up in TS4 has always been a choice between fashion magazine and cartoon character. Common, ordinary styles on ordinary people are hard. Even Mortimer Goth would take off the suit to dress down, frequently. Never mind that when if you try to make five true everyday outfits for a full household, you have family members wearing the same things in a plain, no frills kind of family. I think Uni and HSY helped a lot, but I agree with all the gaps you named.

[@phoenixnestgaming]

Stacy, I love you for this take!! So desperately in need of properly masculine CAS, you’ve nailed every single thing in this video!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@_new_french_touch_]

The fact that the binder doesn’t flatten chests 💀

[@icedceilin]

Yeah, It's really just another tank top...

[@overgrownspermcell]

They literally just added it to say ‘hey see we totally support you guyeeeezzzzzzzzz’ there’s no point for it lol, i literally don’t know any trans person (including myself) who would wear it uncovered?? It’s just clocky and weird?? Maybe that’s just cus I’ve been harassed n clocked in public before but something seems really off about it

[@andromeda7758]

I need more male CAS items that looked like they were from Walmart/target/whatever other big box equivalent

[@ChrisDragon531]

I agree with you about there being more Masculine Men's clothing. I play male, female, and NB Sims equally and I always use the same clothing pieces and hairs for my male Sims. I also think they should create a Basics Clothing pack for all ages (but especially male sims, in RL all the male Identifying people I know wouldn't wear most of the stuff they have in male CAS), also sometimes I just want something simple rather than flamboyant.

[@CowardlyCat]

i hate making male sims cause i just never know what to dres them in so i always make females cause its so much easier, i agree with you so much on the hair styles for men they need some better fading and some more added in

[@corabeani]

I think this is why there is a majority of females created in the game. Not because we don't want to make males, but because we cannot make normal looking male without choosing the same three categories: rebel/loner, business suit, or grandpa. That's "normal everyday male" not their identity or orientation, but in a game where it's kind of a point to have babies to continue the family, there needs to be representation of the straight male too. I mean sure we can adopt or science baby too. Nearly everyone playing just wants the males to have normal looking clothing.

[@corabeani]

Also this is coming from a place where the Hecking (married gay men) are some of the better looking men in the game.

[@robertofernandez7773]

I agree with 95% of what you said. The kit for masculine clothing was just atrocious. I live in F%$#ing Miami Beach, where you can basically see all kind of weird attire and never have seen someone wearing the clothing of that masculine clothing set, so atrocious I cannot remember the name. Just throw in a few levi's inspired jeans, some gap attire, H&M clothes, but no. lets throw some gay as hell nonsense. Before everyone eats me alive, I am gayer than the word gay, but not everyone in my game is gay. We need a couple expansions and kits that forgets about women clothing and focus on masculine clothing to balance the game. Sorry for the rant, but I couldn't hold it!

[@anaramos7500]

And if we want to ever have masculine clothing, we'll have to pay for kits instead of it being base game as it should 🤡🤡

[@joyfulgirl91]

Right I love gay men but there are like 200 townies in my world, why wouldn’t most of them just be wearing basic things for work or chores

[@corabeani]

Normal jeans would be amazing

[@augusto7681]

@@corabeani What are you guys talking about? there definitly regular jeans in base game, just look trought swatches, dont let a red and green pants believe they are hideus style pants.

[@corabeani]

@@augusto7681 we mean more than the one or two pairs of jeans in base game. One pair fits fine, but the other is kind of tight. Plus there are other pant that look nice but are too tight, too high at the ankles, too baggy, looks odd where it shouldn't. I want my male Sims to look less like Ken and Barbie and more like an average man.

[@LaughOLott]

This is why I download a lot of male CC

[@ayangyi]

i thought i was the only one who hated male cas! i barely make male sims anymore or just randomize their outfits

[@gardeninthevoid]

yall saying ts4 is bad for masc men but it is also bad for fem men because any time you put one in a dress or womens top it gives them phantom boobs. why is no one talking about the phantom boobs i thought it would be mentioned more. they added the option for any gender to wear any clothes but it looks terrible.

[@viicxyz]

I would like to play with more male sims in my game, but every time I try to create a man I end up losing my mind trying to create even the most basic outfits. Then I get tired and I create a female sim.

[@Kleines97]

I'm all for inclusivity really... But... The Sims 4 men, and every other Sims game men Cas looks similar... I want manly men but I only end up having similar looking men Sims. I don't want that much gender neutral stuff. I want fricking manly men men Sims 🤣 no gang member, no rich dude, no gender neutral hipster man. It's so fricking difficult.

[@disaster4550]

so just a bunch of samey shirts and pants?

[@zoezoose]

The cropped pants drive me nuts. Why!?!? Why are most of the men’s pants cropped? I never see men wearing cropped pants in real life.

[@Lunimoose]

I predominantly play with male sims and I also find it difficult to create some basic fits for my sims due to the lack of more plain, simple and basic clothing. If they did go back to basics in men's clothing, my guess is that it'll be unsurprisingly locked behind a kit paywall

[@CosyJaney]

Let’s be honest, it would be easier to say what’s right with it. Which isn’t much.

[@DaRealYungBlood]

I never seen these styles in America…but it would be nice to have more masculine clothes

[@_heyitzelicos_7889]

this is why im never gonna stop using cc

[@swiftestodin30]

I'm fine with different variants of the same hairstyles but there needs to be more variety. For example I honestly feel like they shouldn't have retextured the old afro hairstyles. They should have added the retextures as new styles to add more variety.

[@dacheesecat6976]

I’m always slightly scared to use male CAS because I feel like I’m always one click away from accidentally making them look ugly lol

[@AveryKrystene]

Barely any of the long male hairs are designed to be male hairs! They just take the female hair and call it a day.

[@MrMati551]

I agree with points raised but I just never had an issue with it cause when I do make guys in cas they're never straight 😂😂

[@astererratum6546]

The worse part is the "feminine" clothing styles are so nice looking, but they all have a weird boob bulg and as someone who is ftm seeing a boop lump is soo annoying.

[@getamber2671]

It feels like no one on the male CAS team has ever seen a man before

[@pastelfurby2991]

i almost exclusively make female/feminine sims and this is why. the masculine create-a-sim is just so poorly done 😕

[@repellentyeti91]

I agree 100%. As a cc creator, whenever I try to make male cc, it’s like I forget what men wear lol This video was super helpful!

[@lordjigglebottoms]

Just in general we need plain clothing for all that isn't extremely out of date! A lot of the Sims4 CAS stuff reminds me of popular trends in the early 2000s to the early 2010s. An don't even get me started on the shoes.

[@thepanda9782]

1000% agree. I will often make gender-neutral or masc lesbian sims with the "male" CAS and it's like walking through Candyland...but when I make male sims it's very limited. I get pigeon-holed into very specific and repetitive aesthetics :/ They do go to a lot of effort to make the male CAS items fit the female sim but not the other way around. It doesn't feel inclusive. It just seems like they don't want to make the budget to have 2 versions of each item so it fits properly, and are more focused on "trendy" CAS items than versatile ones. CC creators are much better at making niche CC (and we can delete items we don't like when the trend passes). I think TS4 team should focus on quality basics and timeless styles. With build mode that's what people gravitate towards and the same is true for CAS IMO. (also, WHY are all the sims so tall and have weird boobs???....like???)

[@Nervous101]

Male clothes are absolutely awful. Whenever i make men, i straight up just plop whatever i can onto them that looks basic and appropriate. Other then that, the male category doesn't need skirts or any other female clothing or hairs. I didnt ask for all of my male sims to be gay or gender neutral. Straight men exist. This isn't to say that they CAN'T have it, I'm saying they don't need more.

[@Xmasonfieldingx]

‘Straight men exist’ girl stfu we been knew

[@Sunny33311]

Also I feel like male sims come off as very goofy in the sims. When I'm trying to make a laid back guy with a dark aura or something in the sims the moodlets and the voices make him super goofy idk if you know what I mean lol

[@gravelergaming5868]

in the sims defense a lot of traditionally men's clothes are just shirt, jeans, and maybe a jacket for spice and the sims team wanna be unique

[@heath6802]

You know the vintage glamour hair? (The single only one?!) My hair is just like that, but longer. it’s a very normal average haircut with a bit on the side! WHY IS MY ONLY OPTION THE GOD AWFUL VAMPIRE ONE?!

[@bearsgaming5375]

This is the reason i dont play with male sims that much, unless i have my cc installed

[@Iamnoone989]

I think the problem is when they make a pack they focus so much on the theme of the pack like those destroyed shirts no one would wear them in real life but it works great for a werewolf pack you know like they make a piece and don’t consider how it looks out of side the pack it’s for which means if you want a specific style you have to wait for the sims to pack that specific pack like I tried to make my friend and she’s a super hyper fem girl and why there are super girly options in clothes there aren’t enough and the hair ugh barely anything and the heels they had none of the shoes my friend has they need to either stop fitting clothes to packs without thing of how it will look outside of the pack or when they make pack specific clothes they add in a couple normal looking pieces or just make a pack where you explore different styles of clothes so there’s something for everyone

[@jordanblankjordanblank4603]

Satch: "Everything wrong with male CAS." Me: "Do we have time?"

[@chelseahowley8837]

Yes I have all of the same issues with the men's clothes in the game 😅 hard to make all the people I want when nobody looks like my options

[@donuhsb]

no ur right and u should say it

[@megat4762]

Most American men don't wear those clothes I have no idea where they got the inspiration for those outfits

[@swantsa]

“Got some leather daddy none sense going on here”