Everything Wrong With Spider-Man: No Way Home in 27 Minutes Or Less

[@josiahteng6906]

"Hey Dr.Strange, could you make everyone forget Mysterio's message?" "Sure" THE END

[@manonthewall10]

is it even Matters Bro??? obviously Mysterio is Still alive

[@robbert6393]

@@manonthewall10 how is Mysterio still alive? Pretty sure after the attack that they clean the place and took his body and confirms his death, otherwise Parker would know he's still alive.

[@paigerook2073]

@@manonthewall10 what? We know he’s dead

[@SuperlativeCatalyst]

What would the other 2 hours of the movie be about then? Lol

[@alexmccaleb2152]

DAAAAMN, I didn't think about that

[@yakunohayashi9653]

I would have give one sin off for the Green Goblin. He was the best character by far and Dafoe´s performance is amazing

[@Afrocypher9590]

And he's damn near 70 too, guy is a natural talent & looks well for his age.

[@TotalDefiance]

@@Afrocypher9590 That's not what he really looks like if you couldn't tell. Same with Doc Ock.

[@Afrocypher9590]

@@TotalDefiance Actually, even without CGI he still doesn't look too bad...I mean, it's not like he's picked up weight or anyting.

[@fayezfawzi3255]

best one by far was doctor octopus for me!

[@bigkilla2608]

The GOAT of Marvel Villains

[@vastotales4431]

The real sin (missed opportunity) not having J. Jonah Jameson freaking out and not having a mental breakdown after seeing 3 Spider-Man in the same universe.

[@xszy_tt]

Here before the comment blows up 🗿

[@Logan7281X]

Agreed!

[@laythal-sharjabi5646]

would’ve been too hard to retcon tbh when everything is reversed

[@Alphawolf2017]

so f**king true!

[@digitalwolf2827]

I'm very confused because your comment is from 13 hours ago and I'm being told the video is from 5 minutes ago. Are you a time traveler?

[@JTGallant]

An overlooked great Andrew moment: when Electro is telling him he thought he'd be black, Andrew has such a super genuine apology, "oh, man, I'm sorry..." like it's somehow his fault he's not black and that let Electro down is so wholesome and hilarious.

[@summertyme5748]

To bubble heads yes. The rest of us going...Max, you don't know Peter Parker from Peter Pan so...why are you even here?

[@Lank01]

“ Max, Maaaaaxxx. ”

[@chokamilk272]

i wish black panther was white too

[@purplebean8989]

​@@chokamilk272 How would that make any sense when Wakanda and the black Panther tradition are AFRICAN 🤦‍♀️

[@Ussop_the_GOAT]

@@purplebean8989that’s a joke

[@Evobed562]

Another sin missed is, in Spider-Man 2 (maguire) curt conners tells Peter “Octavius is a friend of mine”, when Pete meets Otto he even says “now I remember you’re conners student he tells me you’re brilliant he also tells me you’re lazy” this clearly indicated curt conners and Otto knew each other to a level. Otto in nwh doesn’t even react hearing curt conners name or the fact he turned himself into a lizard in an alternate universe

[@mauricejohnmac]

Yeah, I hoped for that too. But still, kudos for all the references they were able to make so far.

[@shivashishwar9552]

Another sin that's probably worth a good 100 or so is that in the last act where peter tells strange to make everyone forget that he's spiderman means that EVERYONE including the people from maguire and andrews universes along with every other universe forgets, this is just makes peter (holland) a MASSIVE DICK to all the other spidermen who probably told people about their identity

[@bro-be3bd]

@@shivashishwar9552 When the hell was it ever indicated that every other universe would forget who Peter Parker is? Strange has shown that his magic is contained to only his own universe.

[@azathoththeprimalchaos2289]

@@bro-be3bd while this is true, and what I believe happened, doing that would in no way reverse the drawing in of other people from the multiverse, because they were only being drawn in because they know that *A* Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Which they still do because only Peter 1's universe was affected. It makes 0 sense to me.

[@Shadowgod1000]

@@shivashishwar9552 exactly, if he want to do 100 sins then that's what he could have done, not for Miles Morales who should not have been in the story in the first place, it defeats the point of the Spider-Man being pulled in. Also again they should have just forgot whose Spider-Man was because it should have fulfilled the request of fixing the spell without destroying all of their relations. I mean sure you'd have to reintroduce himself as a hero but that's easier than a lot of the issues that would have arrived. I think part of the reason why that wouldn't work for the MCU Peter is that then it would just be Peter Parker killed Mysterio not Spider-Man kill Mysterio since his identity would have been known they just wouldn't be an alter ego.

[@SeantheSharkGuy]

27:42 the reason this venom knows Peter Parker, as weak as it is, is because in the post credits for Venom 2 Venom made a remark about every symbiote in the multiverse, not just the universe, sharing a hive mind, meaning as long as one Venom knew Spider-Man, they technically all do

[@YouMakeMyMotorRun]

It's actually a good explanation... or it can be, if they properly explore it. There's tons of mystery to work with in the symbiote lore and could expand the MCU dramatically But then again, there's Green Lantern, the Fantastic Four and the whole Star Wars EU to remind us that Hollywood doesn't always do well with expansive, interesting universes full of world-building and lore. I swear to God that big movie studios must think the audience is stupid to a degree that comic books and other media have far left behind

[@omegaman3004]

It’s called the symbiote hive or something

[@zweg]

but then all symbiotes in the hive mind shouldve been teleported?

[@YouMakeMyMotorRun]

@@zweg True that... but the only other one we have seen in movies is dead, and it probably only worked on the specific symbiotes that have met Peter or share their identity with the ones that have? Like, all symbiotes have a hive-mind, but then there's a certain level of independent connection that's unique to Venom symbiotes? Dunno, man... It's a flimsy explanation, but at least they gave us a start. Maybe it'll be more fleshed-out in the future?

[@JoshuaParkk]

This is truthe. It could also simply be another venom where spiderman exists in his world. I mean after all, there are an infinite amount of universes.

[@cameronhodgetts920]

I can answer the Venom question. At the end of Let There Be Carnage, Venom explains to Eddie that the symbiotes share a hive mind across the multiverse. When trying to show him this, the two are suddenly pulled into the MCU, where Venom recognises Spiderman on a TV. To me, that says he was able to access the memories of Topher Grace's Venom, and that's how he knew Peter Parker was Spiderman.

[@darthdenn1s]

What about Electro?

[@MikeP828]

CinemasSins knows this. They literally sinned Venom 2 a month or so ago. They’re just scraping the bottom of the barrel for sins.

[@james-michaelrobson287]

With the explanation at the end of Venom, yes, they could have been pulled in too. I thought it was a hive, but not a multi verse hive. Still makes sense in universe

[@cameronhodgetts920]

@@darthdenn1s it's a throwaway line in the movie, but he says he became part of the grid absorbing data just before he died. That must be how he found it. Every villain seems to have been pulled from the moment they found out

[@intothefrayyo]

@@cameronhodgetts920 That's just a theory mate (almost like all of the comments on here, even yours) it's not what was given. It's just one of many (be it minor) plot issues that no one probably even considered until after the fact.

[@Ashlego]

I feel like there should have been a sin for Strange getting mad at Peter even though it was HIS idea to make everyone forget Peter is Spider-Man

[@summertyme5748]

They are in the impossible position of having both characters act stupid, so their method of distracting the audience is to have the audience blame the 'other guy'. _Parker! You messed up my brainwash the world spell_ - Strange. _Hey that's not what i asked you to do - I asked you to turn back time._ - Peter _You know we don't have the stones anymore!_ - Strange _Well...the audience knows, but...I can at least have you remind them of why you can't do that!_ - Peter _You also know that even if I had the time stone, which I don't, and even if I could revert time for THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, which I can't.....that it is evil to turn back time just because you want to keep your secret identity, don't you?_ - Strange _Sure I know that, but...the audience doesn't!_ - Peter 🤣

[@Ashlego]

@@summertyme5748😂

[@TheMeta141]

in his defense wouldn't you assume Peter had tried everything else BEFORE jumping to fucking TIME TRAVEL as a solution?

[@Neil070]

@@TheMeta141 Good point, but I wouldn't change the entire planet to suit my own convenience. Use social media to at least help your friends . Couldn't Happy help? Stark is a hero to the world, his protégé Peter would at least be listened to

[@OiishiNoAnko]

Classic hubris

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

24:55 Glad you took off a sin for that, seeing Garfield try to hold back from breaking down is just heartbreaking to see

[@blackenedwritings]

That was such a great callback to his second movie. I've always said it wasn't his fault his movies tanked. He obviously loves the character.

[@gachakatelyn4085]

@@blackenedwritings he seriously does and I would love for him to have a 3rd movie Like tom and Tobey do

[@lainiwakura1776]

The part where Tobey is telling Andrew he was amazing should have been included too.

[@somehalonerd1176]

THIS GUY IS A BOT DO NOT LIKE HIS COMMENTS OR SUBSCRIBE TO HIM

[@yourlifeisagreatstory]

No joke, I got a little teary eyed in the theaters. Maybe it happened a every time I rewatched it.

[@deblag5992]

I love that this movie confirms J. Jonah Jameson’s obsession with Spiderman is so strong and genuine, he’s the same exact person in every universe no matter what Spiderman does 😂

[@GauravNicholasMisraNickKwan]

He's a non-powered nexus being 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants! Have a blessed day, everyone!!! ❤

[@coggaming3796]

@@Call_Upon_YAH FFS I thought you were making a spiderman joke, nah you just christian

[@sajohnson09]

J Jonah on this movie combined with his character in the recent Spider-Man games had me cracking up every time he said something. Like this dude may be one of my favorite characters in media now.

[@vermiciousknid2456]

In the 90s Spiderman series they once showed a universe with a Spiderman that had a high tech armor suit. And I think in that universe Jameson was a friend of that Spiderman. But I haven't seen that in years so I'm not sure.

[@megafrost9960]

All three Spider-Men swinging together and doing that gorgeous pose together should've removed like 10 sins. And their banter and convos were adorable and amazing

[@jobnieloliva5358]

That was trash fan service and did nothing for the story

[@EpicQibliFan]

@@jobnieloliva5358excuse me; w h a t

[@ianshaw6997]

@@jobnieloliva5358 you're trash fan service and do nothing for the story

[@matcoffidis1135]

I know. I just watched it and dug that part. Lovely way to incorporate all of them together....

[@mw9688]

@@EpicQibliFan no…he has a point. I couldn’t stop rolling my eyes when all three of them were on screen.

[@dawsonlandar7038]

By no means is this a perfect movie, there's holes everywhere you could punch through but tbh I'm satisifed with what we got because it could've gone much worse. Seeing the three spider-men together and some of the classic villains in the same movie was insane. Kinda wish they played the full themes of Tobey and Andrew somewhere in the movie.

[@c0zyD]

Is a perfect movie better than all superhero movies

[@magicjohnson5733]

@@c0zyD lol no

[@donovansiers9422]

@@c0zyD Put the nostalgia boner away

[@mattbrendlen]

I'm not going to argue that that WASN'T cool... but I mean... you watch that scene at home, by yourself, without the hooting and hollering in the theatre and you realize how quiet it is. Almost like the scene was given ample space for people to cheer... almost as if the reason this plot even exists is because they wanted people to "Leo point" at the screen and say, "OOOOOH OOOH I KNOW THAT GUY! DISNEY TAKE MY MONEY!!!" This wasn't a film... it was a transaction DISGUISED as a Spider-Man movie. Every decision Disney made, was motivated purely by profit.

[@thatonerotom8999]

@@c0zyD Quit putting it on that high of a pedestal, this was 90% fanservice

[@personM4N]

"So how does someone throw a brick this straight and accurately from the street?" Bullseye confirmed for Spider-Man 4: Brand New Home

[@kingblueaxolotl6584]

The wall confirmed for Spider-Man 5: mobile home

[@Kal824]

Because it wasn't thrown from the street... It was thrown from either the roof, or fire escape from the building across from it. If you noticed the angle in which the brick crashed in, it would imply that it was from above or straight across, crashing in downward, not upward.

[@scalzmoney]

Home Away From Home. Home Is Where The Heart Is. Home Is What You Make It. Home Equity Loan.

[@thekaptain9117]

Spider-Man: Homeless

[@yarapah]

@@Kal824 we got a detective over here

[@samuelj.taylor8459]

23:21 I think Sandman wanted the box just so he could get home rather than destroy it. He saw everything go wrong in the apartment and just nope'd out of there. After all, he wasn't convinced by Norman's argument and just wanted to get home ASAP. Immediately afterwards Electro says something like, "Sorry, Sandman, but no one's going home." So they both wanted the box for different reasons but, I admit, the film doesn't do a very good job at making this clear. It just kinda breezes past it.

[@radrno7]

Yeah. If he simply waited, one of the other villains could have destroyed his last chance of going home. At the same time, he doesn't want to lose his powers, so it makes sense him not helping Peter.

[@src248]

Yeah, he's fighting the Spider Men because he wants them to give up on the cures and just send him home

[@caska1313]

well peter's gf, aunt and best friend are an exception to the spell, thus pulling only villains with the spell (convenient but still plausible as by the movie standards)

[@summertyme5748]

_thus pulling only villains with the spell_ ^ Lol. The attempts to explain this film are always fun because they only make the plot holes more obvious. 1) Max Electro is a villain but doesn't know Parker, but was pulled. 2) Peter 2 and Peter 3 - definitely know Parker (lol) but they are most definitely not Spider Man villains but they were pulled too? So which is it then. Not only villains, not only those who know Parker. Now what? On the real: This is simply a badly written script that has an AGENDA to get the Sony characters in the MCU. This is done with a 1/2 assed hack screen writer's excuse - which falls apart when you try in vein to explain it. Anyone else care to try, again....?

[@summertyme5748]

Dr. Strange: _Parker, don't you realize that in the multiverse, there are an infinite number of people who know Peter Parker is Spider-Man? They are _*_all_*_ coming here!_ Nice try though guys.

[@mingfanzhang4600]

@@summertyme5748 troll

[@chumuheha]

Sandman's goal in the final fight was to go back home, he wanted the box so he could press it immediately, regardless of whether the other villains got cured.

[@xacmashe3852]

Yeah but i feel that him choosing to fight Spider-Man instead of helping him did NOTHING but prolong the fight. Dude could've been a big help in holding down the enemies especially the Lizard and Goblin. He was kind of an idiot during the fight and I'm surprised none of the Spider-Men mentioned how things would be over faster that way.

[@jaredalvarez890]

I felt like sandman wanting to go back to his daughter didn’t make sense, like she’s probably not even a kid anymore, probably in college or something

[@MasterFlarg89]

That may have been his goal but Electro quite literally said no one is going home today so it would make sense for him to attack the villains because Peter, from the beginning, told him he'd send him home when he's fixed. Flint was wasted in this movie.

[@xacmashe3852]

@@jaredalvarez890 I'm about 99% certain that this is Sandman taken directly from or near the ending of Spider-Man 3. Seeing as all the villains were pulled from different parts of time.

[@jaredalvarez890]

@@xacmashe3852 I don't think so otherwise they would've de-aged Tobey Maguire but he was from the present timeline just like how Sandman was still alive, you know?

[@xdian1358]

15:45 for those curious the reason it didn't work is because when we saw Aunt May pull the serum off the fabricator, you could see that the progress bar was just under 99% complete. So the fabricator didn't finish so that's why it didn't work

[@asafupps]

Oooh interesting

[@TrustingIssues]

What an eye holy crap

[@Mythralblade04]

Also, you can see Peter's spidey sense waving off his head when he got pushed out of his body, which was why his body could still react. Go back and look at Tom Holland's head during that scene, it's literally the classic spidey sense waves.

[@xdian1358]

@@TrustingIssues If I'm being honest I saw it on another video called "everything great about No Way Hom" credit goes to CinemaWins

[@radrno7]

Actually it could be because Norman was "helping" Peter, so the Goblin purposefully sabotaged his own cure, which would be what triggered Spidey's sense. I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone lol.

[@iCeleste14]

The venom one is technically explained by the end-credit's scene at the end of Carnage. Venom is explaining to Eddie about how the entire species is like a hivemind, and Venom knows millions of things. So it's implied that the other universes Venom is part of that hivemind, hence all of that species knows about various Peter Parkers

[@cabclint]

came to say this, but now that I think of it, wouldn't that be fucked if it brought every single venom to this universe?

[@MadGenius]

@@cabclint Which makes the whole narrative a plot hole if there are infinite peter parkers so there should've been infinite symbiotes coming to MCU

[@OriginalUnknown2]

@@MadGenius the whole movie is a bit of a plot hole - if there are infinite universes, there are infinite peters, docs, goblins, electros, everything.. what's infinity*infinity people on one planet? :D

[@MadGenius]

@@OriginalUnknown2 Well, then you would get Secret Wars 2015 where incurisons happening within the Marvel multiverse.

[@Henry-mk9dn]

I didn’t even do homework when my grades counted on it *ding*

[@trevorcrowell4544]

HEY. The explanation behind the physical form of Peter still moving after his Astral form was pushed out is actually his spider sense taking autopilot. It's actually the closest thing to the comic because it's constantly referred to as auto pilot. And the spider sense little arrows (same as in ITSV) appeared as kinda little heatwaves. Hard to notice but definitely not worth the sin

[@summertyme5748]

Many people give this wrong answer.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@summertyme5748 cope

[@RobT1598]

Ok but willam Dafoe DEFINITELY deserved a sin off for the condo laugh scene as peter is puching him straight in the mouth

[@Panda72021]

In that moment, I felt like Norman had exceeded 'Joker' levels of crazy. Sure, the Joker is nuts, but he plays that up to mess with people....he enjoys it. With Norman it just felt like pure chaos, not an "I'm laughing because you'll never win" but more of "Regardless of the outcome, you'll never be satisfied with beating me because I'm beyond the point of suffering at the hands of others". With the Joker it's about 50% of a manipulation tactic...with the Goblin...it's just who he is.

[@-MrFozzy-]

It’s absolutely amazing

[@RobT1598]

I literally got chills in the theater when i heard it, literally, & they STAYED too

[@DeltaCharlieHipHop]

That in my opinion should reset the sin counter to zero! I lost my shit in the theater! That is how you give a protagonist a real villian to deal with!!!

[@Panda72021]

@@DeltaCharlieHipHop Especially one as classic as Goblin

[@tgguitarguy]

I would've at least taken a sin off for Willem Dafoe's performance in the apartment building. That fight was sooo good.

[@Al.j.Vasquez]

His face expression after taking the punches like a total psycho deserves 10 points removed.

[@macknewmann]

Same with the spidey sense scene

[@BatmanHQYT]

Agreed, closest thing we've gotten to horror in the MCU. And no, Multiverse of Madness doesn't even remotely count.

[@TheMeta141]

you know i'm something of a sinner myself

[@anthonyhenderson3625]

Willem was more scarier in Tom Holland's third Spiderman film than he was in Tobey's first film

[@emilly_louise6292]

my only question is: if they were pulling everyone that knew who was spider man, even the ones that died, why didn’t the producers add any love interest? cause honestly would be amazing and heartbreaking seeing Gwen there and Andrew just knowing what will happen to her

[@burner-is5pf]

They did but it got cut. This was filmed during covid lockdown which really affected this movie. That’s why lizard and sandman were CGI

[@Alexfrfr999]

fanservice

[@conflictbrooks]

I saw someone online proposed that maybe because the goal of the spell was "Everyone will forget you're Spider-Man except your girlfriend, your best friend, and your aunt" then the spell pulls everyone who knows he's Spider-Man into this universe, _except_ Spider-Man's girlfriend, his best friend and his aunt. That's why none of the love interests show up nor does either version of Harry Osborn. Why the fuck the spell would work like that, I have no idea.

[@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078]

​@@conflictbrooks So pulls in everyone who IS affected by the spell. Kind of nice. Or, more likely, the people being pulled in are luck of the draw since only some slipped through at first, there is after all an infinite amount of Spidermen and everyone else, we only saw a couple. Also any and all MJ's etc aren't superpowered and would get pretty easily lost. They could theoretically "spawn" anywhere on earth. How would they find anyone? The only reason the Spidermen were found were because of Ned, and we saw that not all villains spawned nearby (see Venom).

[@okami-rose803]

I also feel like Matt Murdock, after taking Peter's case would want to help protect him because that's kinda what he does. But also Daredevil showing up might be a bit much. Hope to see him more though

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

The fuck would Daredevil do against Electro, Lizard, Ock and Goblin? Get fucking murdered? Daredevil is a badass but he can't keep up with spiderman, let alone 3 of them. But I agree we need to see him more

[@theblackoutexplorer2658]

@@DemonLordGamingAC0 he beat the fuck outa king pin didn’t he ? And he’s a running tank? He could probably fight doc and the lizard. Idk about electro and goblin tho

[@shortallen3218]

@@DemonLordGamingAC0 expect for the fact daredevil and spiderman are one of the biggest crossovers in comics

[@Phanthief95]

@@theblackoutexplorer2658 Fisk is still an ordinary human & even Kate Bishop kicked his ass without having any powers. Matt would be out of his element dealing with superpowered individuals.

[@cjgm6325]

@@theblackoutexplorer2658 kingpin is just a regular guy.....

[@christophermcbride2522]

You missed the big sin where Tom's Peter asked the other Peter's how they knew the "great responsibility" line. Andrew said that Uncle Ben said it. His Uncle Ben never said that. His Uncle Ben had a completely different, and very long, line about responsibility.

[@sanzen1234]

His dad says it in a deleted scene

[@christophermcbride2522]

@@sanzen1234 I know, but Uncle Ben didn't.

[@kr6productions]

@@sanzen1234 still don't count 😂😂

[@zaheersarang6466]

There was a lot wrong with this movie which does not get addressed because of "Nostalgia"

[@mtabby8791]

@@sanzen1234 no response to the garbage you just spewed?

[@widexawake_]

Andrew Garfield catching MJ, and crying when she asks if he is okay was easily the best thing in this movie.

[@jaymikesmovienites3452]

That’s the scene that breaks me

[@X_479]

@@jaymikesmovienites3452 felt too quick in my opinion

[@makeda6530]

Yeah, that was great

[@jaymikesmovienites3452]

@@X_479 I’m sorry. It was the perfect length. Just the look he gave had so much behind it. It’s to me way more powerful than aunt may dying. One of the highlights of the Amazing Spider-Man movies was his and Gwen’s chemistry. So when she died it was pretty sad. So seeing him catch her hits me in the feels

[@sergiovalencia6001]

Get a tear everytime it happens

[@Taymoorismail]

"Listen Sir, I'm gonna have you get all the way off my back about how the spell works"

[@RyanWillDoIt]

“This comment is TIGHT”!

[@threeeyedninja2675]

"let me get off that thing!"

[@keinplan3056]

Wow wow wow

[@kvlachos9128]

Super easy nearly an inconvenience

[@justusogbame5004]

😂😂😂😂​@@kvlachos9128

[@JamesHock]

Despite the plot holes, one thing I really liked was that there were actual lasting consequences for Peters actions. It made the movie feel more meaningful.

[@summertyme5748]

Aunt May being dead is a non consequence - since she is fridged. She has no more function in the story than Uncle Ben, imparting the same lesson again that he already learned. There are no lasting consequences for anyone else. In fact the whole point of the plot is to *reboot* the story thereby eliminating all the consequences from all the previous stories. Doc Ock, and Goblin and Max and lizard are *all alive* again. Tobey and Andrew are Spiderman again. Parker is a kid with no high school diploma, no girl friend money or job again. No one knows anything he ever did so every - consequence leads to something he can do over. And that is the real point of the plot.

[@thaiylooze8217]

I hated how irresponsible and “unlogical” they have written for tom’s spiderman

[@sensaiko]

@@summertyme5748 I hate how people treat this as something other than a soft reboot

[@summertyme5748]

@@sensaiko Yes it is indeed a reboot and regression of his character and not the evolution of it - that they want to convince you it is.

[@Shuizid]

That is, until Strange pulls out another spell to undo it.

[@minisamuri2]

You forgot one thing that was also wrong with him leaving/using webs to fix the powerlines, typically in many spiderman franchises(including this one because it's mentioned in Spiderman Homecoming) his webbing eventually dissolves. So using his webs to fix the powerlines is a temporary solution that will eventually become a problem again when the webbing eventually dissolves.

[@ForgottenInformation]

Different web solution. That’s not even a plot hole bruv

[@kevinkabingu7160]

@@ForgottenInformation where did they say it was different?

[@incendiary6243]

I dont think they ever pretended like it was a permanent solution.... would you rather the grid be down for hours or days until it can be repaired, or the webs temporarily hold it up while a crew goes out?

[@Leftoverhealer2]

@@kevinkabingu7160 I can’t believe you need the movie to tell you that

[@kevinkabingu7160]

@@Leftoverhealer2 it has to, if it has never been brought up b4. This is how you guys assume things and get butthurt later own when marvel discredit something you guys made up and convinced yourselves in your head.

[@masgaz9748]

They did explain why Peter was able to move his body during the out-of-body experience, it's his spider sense, you can even see the classic brainwave patterns if you look closely

[@langadube9611]

But isn't the spider sense only for immediate danger Strange taking the box doesn't seem like immediate danger to peter

[@HygorBH]

This is CinemaSins. Do you expect them to pay attention to details?

[@myoldchannel0]

@@HygorBH yes

[@TheIrishKat]

@@myoldchannel0 yeah he stopped really caring about accurate details like 4 years ago

[@wakoblank]

@@TheIrishKat ahhh the good old days when he would point out weird posters and clocks, what a world.

[@datdankdj8264]

Its solved in 8 minutes because its Daredevil that’s his lawyer, he’s the best lawyer in the Marvel universe, also he knows when people are lying bc he can hear their heartbeats and whatnot

[@TimeBucks]

This absolutely is an explanation

[@kawaiibrarian]

The events of the film could've easily been avoided had Dr. Strange just explained to Peter (Tom Holland) what the spell will do and asked if there are any specific persons who he doesn't want affected; or even just casted the spell in a way that people had forgotten who Mysterio was. But then again, we wouldn't have another Spiderman movie.

[@charliecomer6001]

I take it you've seen hishe

[@hogfather22]

Strange is just following the tradition of the warning coming after the spell.

[@wadesimmons7460]

Hell, the events could have been prevented by making the world forget Mysterio.

[@davidmcgill1000]

If he explained consequences, then he wouldn't be Dr. Strange. Regrettable decisions is kind of his M.O.

[@YouMakeMyMotorRun]

@@wadesimmons7460 The events could have been prevented, if like Dr. Strange said, Peter thought about pleading to the MIT before trying to rewrite the whole course of reality! Also they could have used the Time Stone to go back to the last battle with Beck and stop him from revealing Pete's identity Also they could have sat down for literally 2 minutes and discussed the way the spell worked before doing it Also they could have just sent the villains back, considering that if the multiverse exists, there's a high chance that there's infinite universes with tons of shared characteristics, a lot of them with the same villains redeeming themselves or... you know, not going all batshit in the first place and just living a normal life

[@radboyrandom1976]

I think I get sandman's motivation to get the magic box thingy, he wants it not to destroy it but to activate it so that he returns back even if the other villains don't want to. Electro even says "Sorry sandman but nobody's goin' home today"

[@roblingoblin285]

The movie might have its issues, but god DAMN Alfred Molina is incredible as Doc Ock. I was absolutely thrilled for his return. Forever and always my favorite Spiderman villain.

[@MisterNyte]

27:46 in the after credits for Venom 2. its implied that Venom's race has access to a hive knowledge. So although Tom Hardy's Venom never actually met Peter Parker, its theorized that the hive knowledge spans across universes and was brought in due to Tobey meeting a Venom

[@donovan1345]

It's just impossible to think Venom is a multidimensional symbiote hive.

[@derpmanaveragegamer7791]

@@donovan1345 it could be that he access the symbiote hive at the exact moment the multiverse broke causing him to connect with other universe's venoms as well.

[@Diree]

@@derpmanaveragegamer7791 I'm 99% positive nobody in the writer's room actually thought about that, especially considering those are two completely different studios with tens of thousands of people working on different projects at different companies. I'd be surprised if Feige has somehow masterminded this, instead of someone in the room just saying, wouldn't it be cool to have Hardy in the MCU? Let's just pull him in via "multiverse". I mean, considering the fact that NOBODY seems to actually give a shit about any multiversal rules ... that's my best guess.

[@fluxl10]

The spell brings people who know Peter from the latest point in their timeline. For those that died, it was moments before their death. For those who lived, it was their most recent point, hence sandman still being around and Andrew and Tobey’s Peter’s being their current ages. Lizard I guess was because it was before the lizard ‘died’ when Curt was cured

[@michaelwhite8586]

I’m considering this the canon reasoning for this since it makes the most sense

[@kreater120]

Lizard was young because they couldn't get the actor in and used the old footage of him being cured into the new film

[@brianwashington2449]

Actually Andrew and Tobey were much older then their movies

[@fluxl10]

@@brianwashington2449 I know. That’s why I said they’re their current ages. The character’s ages since that time has passed

[@margomartin539]

So, doesn't that mean since the Lizard was cured and sent back... there would be 2 Dr Connors in that universe? It would had to have been a Lizard that was not from the Amazing universe where the Lizard we had seen had been cured for that logic to jive. But, good reasoning. My thought is that every character that came here was redeemed or cured... every character in their respective movies came to their senses... this, might have explained why... Which means, they still die(d).

[@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy]

@12:08 : An explanation for Peter's body reacting when his soul is separate IS given. It is obviously his spidersense being on full blast without his consciousness mitigating it, as is a known facet of the spider sense, but this is evidenced by the wavey lines indicative of the Spider Sense eminating from Peter's astral body's head.

[@kyliewog1]

thank you! CinemaSins has been getting so nitpicky lately to pad the runtime but it just makes for worse content

[@joey4567]

@@kyliewog1 i agree, but its his whole job bruh😭😭

[@aitipsea3909]

He stiol could've sinned how Strange doesnt do anything more than trying to catch the box He couldve use a whip to hold Peter's arm tight and grab it

[@t-yu]

Yeah I usually like these videos but haven't watched them in quite a long time and it seems they've gotten lazy. Half the sins in this have good explanations or the criticisms don't really make sense.

[@NotThatGuy_YepThatGuy]

@@kyliewog1 i think they're wandering too far away from the actual criticism and into the whimsy of their critiques, I lrefer an equal mix.

[@jondunmore4268]

21:48 -- "I'm magic now." Pretty much the go-to solution any time Marvel needs to plot convenience any-goddam-thing.

[@LegoReader12345hello]

The reason why Venom was transported to the mcu was that Symbiotes have shared memories across the multiverse, so Hardy's Venom is connected to Grace's Venom who fought peter parker, and that's what transported Hardy to the MCU.

[@henzaen]

or we can take it further by assuming that venom's shared memory is also connected to marvel comicverse, in which venom actually know peter real identity real well there

[@prestonendresmovies]

I still hope his universe was Andrew's all along

[@henzaen]

@@prestonendresmovies tom hardy's? i doubt it since he doesn't looks like he knows spiderman

[@venom8598]

@@prestonendresmovies he wasn’t cause Hardy’s Eddie was shocked to hear about all these super hero’s flying around.

[@thacarter497]

12:10 My reasoning for Peter’s body still being able to avoid Dr. Strange is his spidey sense still working even when his soul has left his body

[@fandomaddict505]

Thats what i thought, i figure that the spidey sense isnt exactly common knowledge only people really close to peter mention it and this movie feels like the first time he’s seen strange since endgame

[@IcyWind14]

That is the reason. Peter's astral body has the wiggly lines by his head that's used to represent his spidey sense in the comics.

[@Datswild253]

They need to take that sin back

[@lewissimeon4261]

@@Datswild253 unfortunately they won’t. They are full of shit the majority of the time and they don’t care to correct their mistakes.

[@marcospelaez5970]

Yeah I don’t get why CinemaSins gave a sin for that or needed the movie to explain that. I thought everyone just figured… spidey sense, duh. Especially when he had sort of vibrations emanating from his astral form’s head

[@jensmelis76]

The scene where peters astralbody is out of his actual body and still moves his arm actually has a good visible explanation, you see the lines of his spider sense working on his head of the astralform. This means he is still connected to his body with the spider sense

[@matheussanthiago9685]

yeah, I thought that one was pretty obvious also, that is like the fifth thing this movie copied blatantly from spiderverse

[@FezTheKing]

Yeah but his head is up his ass

[@bernardsoul5186]

Which he shouldn't be

[@SyntheticReign]

@@matheussanthiago9685 Well I mean, they're based on the comics, where Peter has those lines. And they're the same characters, so...."copying" isn't really the right word there.

[@hambrick3254]

This, came to the comments to say this

[@ATLGABOi]

The Biggest sin is how many times Tom Holland and zendeya say “uhh ohh”

[@unknownbasic57]

I know they don't explain the whole spiderman keeping the box away while his soul is out of his body, but they do give a nice little Easter egg of the spider senses being active around Peter's head. I like that

[@גידיגדעון]

You already added 100 sins for it, but besides the lack of Miles Morales, the “black spider-man” joke also implies that electro did not in fact know who peter parker was, making his presence in the movie impossible by its own logic

[@natgamingco8292]

So they just threw him in instead of having Andrew Garfield's Green goblin because William defoe is the only crazy bastard who can give dignity to Green Goblin, even tho the other guy half mutilated his face

[@liliespetals19]

Other channels cover that Norman learns that Spiderman is named Peter Parker in that movie, but he never sees his face.

[@antman0719]

The logic is that Electro was absorbing data while in the grid. ALL data within that universes grid and in that, learned that Peter was Spiderman but it's not fully explained again~

[@1989Nihil]

@@liliespetals19 Then those channels are wrong. Not only did Norman see Peter's face during their last battle in the 2002 Spider-Man movie, after the latter's mask got torn up pretty badly, he also called Peter by his name then. It was the other way around actually, Peter didn't know the Goblin was actually Norman Osborne until their last fight.

[@matt6872]

@@antman0719 literally does not make sense

[@PanSpaceman]

Even if the multiverse is a relatively unknown concept I have to agree with Doc Strange. Infinite universes mean infinite deaths that you can't (and shouldn't) help because it affects how they play out. Trying to play them up as semi-poor souls who need to be saved is ridiculous.

[@franktheavocado7573]

That’s the whole point. Spider-Man is the person who would still try to help despite the fact it could be pointless, he’s just that good of a person, the result doesn’t always have to be a negative, he could’ve changed it for the better.

[@joshualee7176]

239 sins, didn’t even mention that mj has this random necklace that she’s wearing and has no idea how she got it

[@JamesThePierce]

You mentioned them having multiple cures because of the fact that they had the fabricator. But after the apartment battle, Peter didn't have it anymore. The fabricator was in the custody of the dodc and Electro took it's power source.(which is presumably now with doc oc) They sledgehammered Peter in this movie to remove Stark's influence on these stories once and for all

[@rsw0103]

Plus him saying the cure for green goblin didn't work didn't have an explanation isn't true. If looked at carefully you can see the machine wasn't completely done making the cure.

[@josuegarro5437]

@@rsw0103 also, I think Toby's made the actual cure that actually worked

[@Gohka]

I still don't think this will be the end of Stark's influence in these films, his tech makes for too useful of a mcguffin or deus ex machina for them to lean on.

[@WizeGuyz2023]

Also the ending circles back to Peter's earlier conversation with strange about trying live two separate lives . In the end Peter could have made the world forget about spider man and it would have had the same impact fixing the problem. But Peter chose finally that he wanted to be spider man. Each film is all a set up to Peter becoming the true spiderman. Homecoming is him learning the responsibility of being a super hero. Far from home was about him trying to be Peter park and distance himself from spider-man. This film tied the first two together where Peter finally accepts that he is a super hero.

[@joelbibeault1169]

Missed opportunity for Toby and Strange to have an interaction since Dr Strange is mentioned to exist in his universe. Toby needed to have some kind of reaction to Jameson too 😂

[@5674bps]

The reason the goblin serum didn’t work the first time was because it wasn’t finished. It’s shown in a scene just before the goblin reveal to be at 80% done

[@ultimatezayman]

Or it’s because “Osborn” was helping, when it was probably the Goblin helping all along, creating a serum that would make him stronger and get rid of Osborn’s personality even more.

[@tyrellthiel2201]

I have always wanted more Andrew Garfield "Amazing Spiderman"

[@amusedapple4933]

same, always thought his banter was awesome

[@starlightglimmerofficial2923]

Well, be glad you're getting another one. Also Jesus Christ loves you and repent for your sins loved ones.😊😊👍👍😍😍❤❤

[@VinodhBallout6711]

@@starlightglimmerofficial2923 Now can you tell me about Santa Claus

[@Mikepun51]

My big problem with Dr. Octavius has always been that he has no powers except the metal arms, yet he holds up in fights like he has super powers. His back is also able to hold the weight of those arms without a problem either.

[@summertyme5748]

He gets ELECTROCUTED and shakes it off. Then rolls up to Electro like “surprise-mthfka!” And butt-plugs his powers while max stands there like a punk. 😂

[@mistreviews]

I think he also has a version of "compartmentalized mind" with is arms, along with improved endurance. His arms whisper to him, which probably give him increased awareness and a way to avoid vital damage, along with the arms shielding him from damage, reinforcing his spine like an exoskeleton, and being great insulators. I'm not a huge comic nerd or scientist; just a guess.

[@virgilhawkins5680]

You need to watch Spider-Man 2 again, specifically the clip when he first puts the arms on. It's not his back that's supporting their weight. The arms are attached to a brace around his abdomen with a spinal reinforcement going up his back. But he's definitely taken some hits to the body/head that should've done more damage.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@summertyme5748 cope

[@3squ1l0]

3:15 That annoyed me too, but I started realizing Flash is the kind of person that would: 1. be riding Spider-Man's coattails early enough that it started in Homecoming 2. have the family connections to get this published 3. have it mostly ghostwritten

[@samirehman7189]

1) For Spidey's autonomous reaction when Dr. Strange pushes his astral projection out, you can see in his projection the Spider Sense ringing near his head. So his body was just responding instinctively according to the sense. 2) The Spideys couldn't create multiple cures, because they were not using the fabricator. The fabricator was powered by the Arc reactor which Electro took

[@sylars7775]

Dont forgot 3rd. The Cure didnt work for Green Goblin because it wasnt fully loaded yet, u can even see it loading like 78% or smthng

[@suzygirl1843]

The cure plot made NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@OmegaQuinn]

I still don’t understand why he nitpicked about Peters body keeping the cube away from strange, there was an in universe reason and a visual reason for why it was happening

[@suzygirl1843]

@@OmegaQuinn it was dumb.

[@sylars7775]

@@OmegaQuinn well you now, its jeremy. he sins Things he not even knows about

[@StarBeam500]

Wait. Wasn't the whole spell supposed to make everyone forget Peter was Spiderman? The spell wasn't everyone forget who Peter is so his friends should still know him and stuff, but nobody would know he's Spiderman. That would have been a way better ending because then Peter is happy and it makes more sense

[@summertyme5748]

You're right that the ending makes no sense and doesn't even try. It's telling that you think the point of the ending is that Peter should be happy regardless of what he does to hurt anyone else. Using Magic to brainwash other people in order to keep yourself happy it's not what Heroes do.

[@zuckoVAL]

Peter said specifically toward the end to Strange that everyone forget about Peter Parker, everything about him. Not just that he isn't spiderman

[@StarBeam500]

@@zuckoVAL ah, thank you. My mistake

[@castertr0y357]

How are there no sins off for the whole conversation around Maguire's organic webbing? That whole thing was gold and it played out perfectly.

[@Panda72021]

Or the fact that Andrew's version and Toby's version discussed having back problems from swinging around. Something that actual actors have dealt with when they have to do a considerable amount of wire-work; so it makes logical sense that a superhero who frequently uses it as a mode of transportation, would eventually develop spinal issues.

[@priscillajimenez27]

exactly. I loved their interactions

[@dcontreras106]

Maybe because it played out perfectly 😉

[@luismaldonado251]

Bc this guy had no content so just runs his mouth of anything

[@frogg_tv4774]

“Does it come out of… anywhere else?”

[@Starfals]

Its a shame Stan Lee didnt get to see this movie. From what I hear, he was always a big fan of getting many spidermans into 1 story/movie/multiverse. I wonder what kind of cameo he would pick, if he was still with us.

[@YangKoeteVODs]

Maybe at the coffee shop?

[@theguywithsomething8634]

@Robert Monroe They couldn't exactly predict when Stan would die, nor would it make sense for them to release a film way ahead of the wider story narrative when they can just finish up the one that was already supposed to be released next.

[@St.Jimmy815]

@Robert Monroe honestly should just put a “For Stan and Jack” at the end of every credits

[@lordidot9299]

@@St.Jimmy815 ya

[@Starfals]

@@YangKoeteVODs Coffee shop sounds like a good place for that, as they open the letters or something. I kind of like the idea of that.

[@ceoatcrystalsoft4942]

I really enjoyed this movie but this calls so many of my issues that I had with it. Probably my biggest complaint was the magical Tony Stark machine (as always) and the fact that no video or photos exist after the mind-whipe. Where did they all go?? Computers don't forget!

[@the_elite_truth]

Its literally magic that went across the multiverse, it erased shit lol. Except for MJ's necklace

[@winchesters4life34]

Really, Matpat's theory makes the most sense to me. link to the video if you want to go watch it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3m9enxqqppqY6M that specific theory starts at around 8:15

[@newwritercity7114]

The Magic Tony Stark machine was actually seen in far from home, it was used to construct Peter’s new suit. It was also utilized in Iron Man movies as well. Not trying to corrector anything lol, just a reminder that this isn’t just a random pop up.

[@theplaguegamer6216]

A theory that New Rockstars posted is basically the spell alters the morories so that people who saw his face or heard his name just remember a masked Spider-Man nothing else

[@abhinashpattanaik5109]

That spell literally erased every single proof regarding Peter being Spider-Man

[@geminiblue]

Tobey's Spider-Man had the best story lines/villains (minus part 3), Andrew's Spider-Man LOOKED like the comics, & Tom's Spider-Man had his personality/energy

[@Alphasnowbordergirl]

The movement while unconscious thing was insinuated to be his spider sense moving his body on instinct. Which would indicate that the astro projection is just consciousness being removed but subconscious is untouched i guess. And without his conscious self, his body will react by instinct. And I will happily watch those 3 spiderman support group scene continue on.

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

But what instinct was it reacting on? There was no reason for his body to react

[@Alphasoldier]

Additionally, if you look closely at astral Peter's head, you can see the squigglies of his spider sense, further emphasising this.

[@fos1451]

So basically instinct can move the body themselves without needing any consciousness?

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

@@fos1451 well i guess in some instances like a sleepwalker but still doesn't make sense in this context. The movements were just too direct like what we saw in Moon Knight

[@Case2_0]

There was also slight waves around his head when in the astral form, which is the Spidersense

[@michaelvargas7953]

The reason why Tom Hardy's venom remembers Peter is because all the symbiotes throughout all the universes including the multiverse share a hive mind so whatever one symbiote knows another one could know about it too

[@randomuser5237]

There's absolutely no mention of this anywhere in MCU especially about the multiversal communication. Stop coming up with lame excuses to cover up shitty writing.

[@randombasic338]

No he's actually right

[@gabrielmecenas2075]

@@randomuser5237 I think they said it on Venom 2 post credits scene

[@michaelvargas7953]

You can also read about it in the venom line King in Black is when they say they have a hive mind and it connects with all symbiotes everywhere so all they have to do is access the memories of another and they will instantly have all the knowledge that that symbiote also have

[@michaelvargas7953]

First the comic book came out in 2018 and of course plenty of people that read comic books love these movies even though they changed so much about them compared to the comic books but even so at the end of venom 2 venom explains the hive mind

[@VincentWeir]

Regarding Tom Hardy’s Venom knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker, he literally stated in Venom 2 that symbiotes have hive mind knowledge that can span across universes. So during the flood of knowledge he gave Eddie, Tobey’s Peter probably got mentioned and that’s how he got sent to the MCU.

[@mudkipfan2585]

Also in the venom 2 post credit scene when it showed he got put in that universe venom came out and recognized spiderman

[@the5threview455]

@@mudkipfan2585 that was the laziest and cheapest way to get symbiote into the current MCU l

[@alexvstheworld777]

@@the5threview455 but it makes sense

[@alexvstheworld777]

yeah, half of the sins in this video can be explained with a little bit of brain power

[@Jm-dx9tl]

@@alexvstheworld777 and yet there is 1,000,000 more. You’re a nerd. Cry

[@jesusrules0707]

I liked as soon as it was pointed out he could have stopped at the beginning of the spell

[@summertyme5748]

Doesn't need magic in the 1st place when Pepper Potts is CEO of Stark Industries and Beck's boss and she funds MIT (go watch beginning of Civil War again). Film just forgets about Pepper and hopes we do too. In reality Pepper reveals that Beck isn't 'from another dimension' but just an embittered employee....... Peter Parker who after all is effectively Tony Starks adopted son...announces - yeah - I'm Spiderman -we kinda just saved the Universe from Thanos 5 minutes ago, remember? And...film is over. Period. Fairy tale Magic not required.

[@zerohates]

Watching this movie felt like reading fan fiction. It was fun in the moment, but it makes no sense when you think too hard about it. I'm still bothered by the unexplained logic of that memory wipe thing- like why would Happy go to Aunt May's grave in the first place, wouldn't he not even know her without the Spider-man connections?

[@NiPeMiRecenziiFilme]

Let's be honest, fandom aside, the movie is fucking dumb.

[@DA_BOID]

They forgot who Peter was. Happy knew her through Spider-Man. He hooked up with Spiderman's aunt. It's as if everyone knew Spider-Man without having known his secret identity.

[@DA_BOID]

Peter would have had reintroduce himself to Aunt May if she were alive, because she knows Spider-Man is her nephew, but doesn't know his identity.

[@ugoszn]

Unfortunately I sat beside someone who didn't care for the nostalgia they were riding on. Hence, she passed it on to me🙂

[@JaniraStJames]

THANK YOU

[@theawemazingcrew9702]

I have kind of a rule when it comes to enjoying blockbusters like this. If there is enough entertainment to be had to make up for the plot holes, I can enjoy it for what it is. Spider-Man No Way Home has plot holes galore, but it's also packed with everything I wanted out of it so I am far too distracted by the good stuff to really care about the fact that a lot of it relies on you just being like "yeah okay let's go with that"

[@matthall4997]

As long as the plot hole didn’t impact my enjoyment the first time through I don’t consider it a problem

[@Xeno574]

I don't understand why people overanalyze movies so much, sometimes it's just better to sit down, relax and enjoy the movie for what it is lol

[@SuperHedgehog910]

@@Xeno574 Dead on. It’s like I always say: “If I’m having fun, isn’t that all that matters?”

[@Xeno574]

@@SuperHedgehog910 When you're having fun you don't even notice the issues, unless it's blatantly obvious. It's why I strayed away from channels like CinemaSins, it's always just negativity. (And honestly some of their criticisms are dumb as hell)

[@randyx3976]

@@Xeno574 exactly. Nothing can be perfect,

[@TheNocturnalLogician]

It's entirely possible that the portal was opened from the other side for Wong. Also, can we just get a sin off for Wong? He tends to steal the scenes he's in.

[@nahor88]

FOHTIFY YO MINDZZZZZ!!!!

[@29jaimeq]

19:26 “ and now here’s the other asshole wandering the streets” 😂😂😂I died

[@christopherlh4379]

@25:00 ~ DUDE! That deserves AT LEAST FIVE sins off!!

[@motorwaffle6700]

My biggest issue is that bringing a bunch of unstable, superpowered villains to a populated apartment building without the knowledge or consent of any of the other innocent inhabitants. And I'm damn skippy May wasn't the only casualty of that scuffle.

[@LekeO]

Exactly what I thought did Peter forget most of them were actually mentally unstable? Not to mention leaving the Lizard alone.

[@DoomRulz]

This film's biggest sin was not properly following up on the post credit scene from Venom: Let There Be Carnage. That scene was mad hype and it needed to be respected with a proper intro between Holland and Hardy.

[@maismade6013]

That’s more of a separate movie fight. They need their own movie together

[@Dr._Mantis_Toboggan_Md.]

The less the venom universe is involved the better.

[@Hatz127]

That garbage movie should stay away from anything else

[@ahlethescout8404]

Hardy venom was an abomination They are going to set venom up right in this universe

[@dday906]

No, I'm sorry. But Hardy's Venom should not fight MCU Spider-Man. That Venom has no real reason to fight Spider-Man, and it's stupid for Sony to want that to happen AFTER making a Venom movie. Hardy's Venom has no reason to want to kill or even fight Spider-Man. So bringing him in just to drop off a piece of the symbiote was the smart choice.

[@ImBumblebeeIzzy]

27:14, YES, finally, someone else asks this! Like, where does MJ think she got the black dahlia necklace from? Why would she keep/wear a broken necklace that she doesn't know the significance of? What's her explanation for the cut above her eyebrow? I have questions but no answers 😭

[@alldownhill01]

The fact that I flat out cried AGAIN with just that 10 second clip of Andrew saving MJ shows why that sin off is deserved!

[@sqlevolicious]

I will never understand why people disliked the amazing spiderman movies.

[@afarrel3195]

@@sqlevolicious its mainly because the script and im gonna get attacked by saying this but tasm 2 is actually my comfort movie, i can watch it anytime and not get bored, the cgi, andrew garfield, love story and soundtrack placement were all perfect and the last two, thats what mcu's spiderman could never top it

[@nackle_k]

I haven't watched those movies in YEARS and I still got extreme chills from that

[@TheTruth-13]

Wasn’t even emotional, forced tears

[@afarrel3195]

@@TheTruth-13 nah it was emotiona but the lack of his theme makes the scene bland

[@motivationgmindset]

Andrew Garfield brought so much emotion to his role this movie it's a credit to his acting talent.

[@slockhrt]

...and yet we still hate him as Spider-Man. Go figure.

[@tariqmcmaster8668]

@@slockhrt we don’t hate him as spider man. It’s his movies. The directors did an awful job with his movies. He just did what he was told.

[@LARAUJO_0]

@@tariqmcmaster8668 I don't get what some people hate about the Andrew Garfield Spidermans. There were a few bad parts here and there but for the most part they were great

[@slockhrt]

@@tariqmcmaster8668 No, we definitely hate him as Spider-Man. I don't have exposure to him in any other role, and I like the other two actors as Spider-Man. I didn't even watch his second movie, and he annoyed me in this one.

[@tariqmcmaster8668]

@@slockhrt don’t say “we” I know tons of people that love his portrayal of Spider-Man.

[@nicoleabrenica]

15:50 it didn’t work because it wasn’t finished. The whole spidey sense situation in the apartment happened WHILE they were working on the cure but it wasn’t done.

[@j_aycry]

That Josh Gad joke made me laugh more than it should have

[@WolfyX3]

I honestly view this movie as the spiritual successor to the first Avengers film. It was a bringing together of characters that people could only dream would share the screen, and even if it wasn't a masterpiece or anything, you left the theater feeling totally entertained and satisfied.

[@daniellavaladez7820]

It’s a masterpiece IMO.

[@JudgeMagisterSnow]

"...it wasn't a masterpiece..." I will send you to Sky Daddy. This movie is absolutely amazing.

[@tkps]

Leaving a theatre entertained & satisfied used to be a given. So if that's what you got it's a good start. (haven't seen it yet)

[@redbarrage]

@@tkps I leave a lot of films thinking "yeah that was alright, killed a couple of hours". Especially in this age of having seen a million and one superhero films. Can't speak on behalf of the OP but this film was one of the few where I left actually amazingly satisfied with how it went. A lot of it didn't make sense but hey, at least it was fun 😁

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless them! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who believes in him and follows his commandants! Have a blessed day, everyone!!! ❤

[@FireKracker44]

15:43 The reason it didn't work was because it wasn't done. There's a brief time where it was shown on the fabricator (or near it) or Max and Osborn's cure completion status, and Max's was complete but Norman's wasn't 16:03 "Three villains who we know didn't die in their respective movies" - No, three of the five did die. Norman, Doc and Electro. Lizard and Sandman survived but Electro was obliterated or overloaded. He's killed. 27:53 at some point writers or something of the Venom Let There Be Carnage film said Venoms of different multiverses share a hive mind, and thus the Topher Venom shares that information across the venom's hive mind throughout different multiverses

[@Syntheis]

Energy can't be created or destroyed. Electro is made up of energy. Even in the scene in the wizard dungeon he said he was charging up waiting after the fight with Spiderman, and then he found himself in that forest hence he didn't die.

[@FireKracker44]

@@Syntheis I get that, I'm going off the wording of any summarization of TASM2, they all say Electro was killed. And I don't recall if it was established in TASM2 either way, since my brain wants to desperately forget that clusterf*** of a film so I can't confirm from that source.

[@olleselin]

@@FireKracker44 it's okay. That's enough info to me

[@spongeboymebob771]

It was also confirmed that these villains are from slightly alternate timelines than their actual movies, they're not the EXACT versions since they're all either redeemed or dead, but they're nearly identical up until the point they die, instead getting zapped into the MCU right before, causing the split in the first place. So yeah, the "their redemption was bullshit then!" bit is kind of itself bullshit lol.

[@FireKracker44]

@@spongeboymebob771 Oh, ok I actually did not hear that one was for sure, I only heard it as a fan theory. Wasn't sure that one was proven or not.

[@moriakpotato]

In the big fight, Sandman wanted the box to push the button. He didn't want to destroy it like Electro. Spider-Man didn't want to give the box to Sandman because he wanted to "cure" everyone first.

[@summertyme5748]

Max could have destroyed the box with his electricity easily. But he doesn't. Instead he asks for others to give it to him. lol. What is he going to smash it with a rock or something? lol. Sandman also wants to be cured and he wants to go home. But he is fighting Spiderman who is trying to help him, and working with the villains who want to destroy the box. Note: Don't try to pretend it's not a plot hole *Sandman is with the villains and they attack the SpiderMen together.* Why? It makes about as much sense as Spiderman suddenly deciding to fight with Thanos and against the Avengers. lol. The Villains are the only thing stopping him from going back home. Also supposedly if he isn't cured he will die. Remember? So he wants to be cured too right? lol. Nice try though, but this film only works if you are smoking weed and can't remember what happened even 5 minutes ago.

[@BIGJoJo23]

Besides some minor issues throughout the movie I honestly really enjoyed this movie to the fullest extent. Hopefully we'll see all 3 Spider-Man make a return at some point. 🔥🔥🔥

[@JakkFrost1]

Also, I don't think anyone hated ASM2 because of Andrew, they hated it because the villains were so badly written, handled, and designed.

[@billywommack4193]

I hated it because of andrew

[@Ponch126]

I think it was more of the fact that the movie itself was poorly written in its entirety. The actors did what they could but just like the Sonic games there’s no saving a badly written story.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@Ponch126 You jest, but some Sonic games have a decent story.

[@DisplayThisOkay]

@@BrandontheAwesome I wouldn't say decent more like passable.

[@SwordHMX]

Dane DeHaan put forth a powerhouse performance, though.

[@MJPCK136]

It has been said, but giving a sin off for Andrew catching MJ and reacting the way he did… yes! Easily one of the best parts in the movie!

[@MofoMagnificent]

I love that basically all sin removals involved him in some way

[@misphit1]

But just one though?

[@Imaproshaman7]

@@misphit1 The one where he says "I love Andrew Garfield"?

[@starcycle4308]

I request context I uh May have not watched any of the other 5 Spider Man movies yet because I wasn't aware I needed to see *three different stories of the same guy* to understand this movie lol (I was being playful (?) in the bold 😅 but yeah I request context)

[@winchesters4life34]

@@starcycle4308 well it's kind of a spoiler but given your comment you don't feel the need to watch tsam2 so I'll just fill you in. essentially, in the Amazing Spider-Man 2, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man fights his universe's green goblin in a clocktower, and as the fight ends a bunch of the clock mechanisms fall out from being damaged. Gwen, Spider-Man's love interest of the TASM movies, was inside the tower and when the mechanisms break she falls. Peter attempts to catch her with a web but it catches her in a very bad way and far to late and the momentum snaps her neck while her head also hits the ground pretty hard from the impact, killing her instantly. now its assumed, since Garfield's Spider man has apparently been at it for a very long time after Gwen's death that we haven't seen but it's mentioned in NWH, that Garfield's version of spiderman has been obsessing about that trauma in his head over and over, how he should have done it differently, how he could have saved her if he had been just a little quicker, so when he sees Tom's Spiderman's girlfriend falling, the realities he has played out in his head hundreds of times where Gwen doesn't die, where he is able to save her, enable him to instinctually spring into action as soon as he sees her falling. he saves her, but he cries because she's not Gwen, and the realization sets in that no matter how much he obsesses over how she died, what he could have done differently, he can't ever go back and change it. he's stuck with his fatal mistake and the realization that he could have saved her, that it really is his fault she isn't alive. at the same time he cries because he is happy that Tom's spiderman never has to experience the pain of losing someone like MJ. Overall it's a really beautiful moment for him because he finally gets some redemption for saving another spiderman's girlfriend the way he couldn't save his own, but bittersweet because it forces him to accept the harsh reality that he really could have saved Gwen, but he failed and nothing can ever bring her back.

[@Steamdragon13]

The movie doesn’t show outright why goblins serum didn’t work; but if you pay close attention the progress bar showing it’s completion wasn’t filled all the way before they attempted to use it on him. Definitely a very small, missable detail.

[@summertyme5748]

The serum won't work anyway for the obvious reason that Osborn will take more of the Goblin formula of course.

[@SonnyBoyHere]

i picked up on that detail too

[@mottom2657]

@@summertyme5748 Not necessarily, Norman has self-awareness.

[@mingfanzhang8927]

@@summertyme5748 cope

[@king_dot]

I’m still annoyed he didn’t change the spell to “make everyone forget mysterio existed” or “make everyone forget mysterio’s video” those would have probably worked much better

[@summertyme5748]

Of course. Nothing they do in the film makes any sense. You can see the strings being pulled so that somehow andrew and tobey will show up. The audience is supposed to forgive the plot shenanigans that bring this about.

[@Shadowgod1000]

You also missed the sin where he actually invited them needlessly into the apartment, what would have stopped him from leaving them in the cages until he develops the cure for them.

[@salarzx62090]

Doctor Strange could've returned and found them, sent them home before Peter developed the cure

[@Shadowgod1000]

@@GrunesGemuse I mean he could control Otto so he'd be the most obvious to bring. Peter knows he has to cure Norman's insanity, so he would not be the most logical to trust, I know he's kind of turned a blind eye to that.

[@Shadowgod1000]

@@GrunesGemuse well I think the point of curing Otto was because then he would be able to help and his was a relatively simple sure I guess, just have to recreate the chip. Honestly sandman would probably be the last one that you'd want to cure since he is the only one that actually isn't any form of scientist. He probably should have just fixed Otto, who could have probably developed the tool to cure Max while Peter cured Norman, then would have moved on to Dr Connors, then they have more than enough knowledge on how to cure sandman. Also my question is if they're both from the distant future, why didn't that Peter develop a cure for sandman already, they seem like they were on good terms.

[@limppickle4306]

Eddie Brock being there was explained in the post credits of Venom 2. Right before he's transported to the MCU, Venom tells Eddie that the symbiote is a hive mind sharing memories and experiences across multiple universes. Topher Grace Venom knew Peter = Spider-Man (and other Venoms too), so every other Venom knows this as well.

[@traintrack3761]

You got that right.

[@cameronclophus7998]

Too many reviewers missed that

[@GerardoTostado]

It’s lazy writing

[@arkius_2]

@@GerardoTostado nah, the symbiote hyve mind is canon even in the comics

[@limppickle4306]

@@GerardoTostado Regardless, he sinned it because he thinks it wasn't explained. And he sinned Venom 2, so it isn't like he didn't know

[@amvcentral9198]

24:15 ... He's not doing what you complained about the others doing earlier, not immediately reacting to a newsfeed and therefore is late

[@KatieMaddalena]

My only problem with this movie was the memory spell at the end. MJ specifically has a discussion with Peter about not doing any big magic things without talking it out first. And then he takes all their memories of him without their consent. And then he promises to tell them all about it later and he doesn't even do that. It's supposed to come off as selfless but honestly it just made me kinda mad.

[@summertyme5748]

Of course the actual agenda of the film is for Sony to make more money by creating their own SpiderVerse to counter the MCU. This is why the plot makes no sense. While the film pretends to be about Peter learning lessons and growing, the plot makes him a selfish childish idiot because it’s the easiest way for Sony to accomplish their real agenda, which is $$$.

[@lovely9507]

@@summertyme5748 BRAVO!

[@fogartyfox592]

@@summertyme5748Hi again, I disagree - yes you are right, sony now have a decent shot at bringing Spider-Man back to the Sony verse however, in this move Tom Hollands Spider-Man did learn a very valuable lesson: Throughout every mcu Spider-Man film Peter has had the aid of his friends and family, aka Tony stark aunt may, Ned and MJ, and the entire avengers, hence dr strange. Peter has always been protected in some fashion and he knows if he has a problem he has people he can turn to. This movie pretty much made all of the above null and void as he has no friends, no family - no one who can help him, Peter now is well and truly alone. As you probably know since Tobey Maguire’s Peter spent most of his time as Spider-Man concealing his identity, it was only from the third film onwards that nearly everyone in his life knew he was Spider-Man, previously this gave him thick skin, giving him the strength to make his own decisions, and fight for himself. Spider-Man is know as a lone wolf, he’s not a team player, the mcu knows where they made their mistake, this is movie is them reconciling and yes mainly it’s a cash grab but and made mainly for the fans but it totally deserves more credit than it’s getting, this may be the MCU turning over a new leaf, I think we should appreciate that.

[@farrelz.2183]

@@fogartyfox592 I kind of agree with you that the end goal was met, to make spiderman a lone wolf. It was met, but still, the plot to even get to that point was non-sensical, it was a chaotic mess. I wish they didn't make this movie just for the sake of that.

[@fogartyfox592]

@@farrelz.2183Yeah, it was quite poorly handled, it could have been done way better. I believe it should carry the same morals as the Spider-Man into the spider verse movie. Tom Holland should be the under dog while tobey and Andrew are quite experienced at their craft as Spider-Men, there is another discussion between the three Spider-Men and they all exchange stories, Andrew talks about his experience of losing his uncle Ben, losing his parents and learning his best friend has turned on him and tries murdering Gwen, until he as individual isn’t fast enough to save her, the love of his life taken away from him. Tobey talks about how he also lost his uncle Ben, spending his early adult years living in poverty, struggling to pay the bills, and having to cope with the idea that he contributed to his best friends fathers death, just explaining the whole dilemma of Spider-Man 2, peters life was like shit, but he walked it off, he kept swinging until he made it work for himself. Tom hearing all of their experiences not only as Spider-Man but as Peter Parker, Tom is realises that these people have had it much harder in life than he has, then his decision to wipe everyone’s memories of Spider-Man is a unideal choice he is willing to make because this is his chance to rewrite his origin story, he’s not Peter Parker who was bit by a spider and was recruited by tony stark and pretty much had his life handed to him, he can finally prove himself worth of calling himself Spider-Man

[@DA-hb7yn]

12:04 Fun Fact: a sin should be removed off here; he’s actually doing that automatically with his spider sense. If you look faintly around that time in the movie you can see faint white wavy lines above his head. I think it’s a cool nod to the way it showed up in old spidermen movies and shows.

[@zenla1033]

What’s laughable is that this is *wrong* and shows that the filmmakers don’t understand Spidey sense, and also of the 100 sins found in this film there are now 100 posts which comment only on this one, so even if you weren’t wrong - the film is batting .010 lol. That’s not good. Try to comment on the other 100 or so sins…..

[@clarkfitzgerald8814]

@@zenla1033 How is that wrong? Also, do you actually take Cinema Sins seriously? As if the more sins a movie has the worse it is?... that's not the point of these videos...

[@marcospelaez5970]

Yeah exactly

[@blicksr7136]

@@clarkfitzgerald8814 this is wrong in many ways the writers being lazy not explaining how that works.

[@alexvstheworld777]

@@blicksr7136 read a comic

[@TheCreepypro]

I love this movie to death but it is hard to not agree with most of these sins from a writing stand point that being said he also took off sins for the best moments so I think it all balances out

[@blazestar4747]

Same, I love this movie and watched it over 4 times in theaters. But I can't help but agree with most of these sins

[@Diree]

@@blazestar4747 If you do a "movie sins" video about any movie I can guarantee you you will find an almost equal amount of movie sins. It's just a given. And yeah, a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense, thinking about it, but if everything made sense then it would be even harder to pull off the actual movie. In the end, plot needs to happen ... and people being there conveniently in the right moment helps this. It's just annoying when this is how EVERYTHING constantly happens. Or if the entire movie is just shit. Like Black Widow or most of the other Marvel movies since Endgame.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

​@@Direeeven pre endgame things happen cause plot.

[@dannybrk628]

They do the hand swirls as a way to focus the portals, but because Wong has been practicing the mystic arts for a while and has become sorcerer supreme, it makes sense that he wouldn’t always need to use his hands to make the portal.

[@ghetoknight7801]

dr strange was skilled enough to become sorcerer supreme, nearly mastered the mystic arts, and handled/guarded the time stone for years, and mf was stuck portal-less and unable to escape in the mirror dimension cus he lost his sling ring. infact, if he doesn't need to move his hand to make a portal, but somehow needs the sling ring to leave the mirror dimension, why didn't he use it while he was restrained [his hands were webbed and so the sling ring got stolen, I think], he could of used it there? anyways if portals work like that and can be opened so casually, the sorcers should by neigh unstoppable since they can instantly seemingly without startup summon indestructible portals that teleport people to who knows where. man can imagine a portal on someone's head then close it and boom? but the main point is him not using his sling ring there wouldn't make sense since every other time after becoming sorcerer supreme he makes use of the ring

[@yourlostleftsock9141]

@@ghetoknight7801 nice!

[@vla1ne]

@@ghetoknight7801 strange has been nerfed every movie since infinity war. he should have been mowing down enemies left and right in endgame, he is leagues above spidey in terms of power tiers, and he is explicitly capable of rewriting the universe as he likes given time to think on it, yet gets mopped by scarlet witch with the greatest of ease (she _is_ canonically stronger than him, but not to the "roflstomp" levels of multiverse). The only characters who got done dirtier than him via nerfing have been hulk and thor, and thor recently got one of the most busted powers he could possibly have, literally giving others powers almost par with his -would really have been nice to have _those_in endgame.-

[@DINO_X65]

@@vla1ne Strange was 1, trying not to harm Spidey, 2, underestimated him, and 3, doesn't have the level of reflexes that Spidey has. He doesn't have the ability to rewrite the universe as he sees fit. Even What If Strange, who is the most powerful character we've seen who's canonical to the MCU, couldn't rewrite the universe as he couldn't change a fixed point in time. Comics Strange might be that powerful, but not the MCU version. He also doesn't get roflstomped. Towards the end, he bests Wanda while not at full power. He has much more experience regardless of Wanda's raw power. He didn't get stomped.

[@Dino_In_A_Suit]

The sin off bit for Andrew Garfield saving MJ as a redemptive arc was gold! Love how you just knew how much it would be brought up in the comments if you hadn't taken a sin off

[@deaththegirl3371]

I've been wondering for a while but... Do the people in other universes also forget who Peter is? Did Peter 1 just condemn every other Peter Parker in the multiverse?

[@JFame2014]

He literally specifies himself

[@yakunohayashi9653]

Despite their flaws, this movie really feels as a love letter for fans. It really shows that the filmmakers wanted to make something to really enjoy

[@daniellavaladez7820]

Agreed, and I loved it!

[@wolfamadeus6932]

They wanted money, it's as simple as that.

[@Jimmy_Thump]

@@wolfamadeus6932 Well yeah I’m sure that’s true. It needed to justify going through the legal rollercoaster from hell bridging two of the biggest rights (and stingiest) holders of the same ip, but they decided to. Whether it was monetarily worth it or an artistic ambition for a greater goal they went through that nightmare just to get a green light. Then the fanfic writer probably said “oh shit you mean we can actually make this?”

[@yakunohayashi9653]

@@daniellavaladez7820I think that of all the MCU Spider man, this one was the most worthy movie of Spider Man by far

[@Miyanoai14]

@@wolfamadeus6932 they could get money doing half as much. And they certainly wouldn’t have bothered doing the entire movie on a secret set which definitely cost more money than they needed to spend for it.

[@Op4teen]

24:30 I love how he added extra sins for miles not being in the movie 😂

[@Panda72021]

Yes, give me live action Miles Morales.

[@priscillajimenez27]

theres a youtuber who runs in his short vids to the song let's get it started. he gets told all the time he could play miles

[@fearshaolin3241]

I thought for sure that “one question…are these your Legos”From Fox was gonna get a sin removed 😂😂😂😂

[@Saimeren]

21:04 It brings them from their universe at the time the spell was cast, or their last living moment in time. That's why Sandman is older, just like the Spider-men.

[@kenadams8385]

I was always confused how the plot of this movie happens because Strange doesn't warn Peter about how his spell works, despite one of the prominent jokes in Strange's first film being that the warnings come after the spells in the book.

[@stefangames6047]

Actually that perfectly explains why he did it like that lmao. Feels like all the sorcerers always say hey let's do some cool shit before realizing what that cool shit will actually do

[@FireJach]

@@stefangames6047 actually no

[@FireJach]

It doesnt matter what is in the comics if the movies dont deliver it and confuse the audience

[@mechanicaldavid4827]

Stephen Strange needs an uncle or aunt to tell him WITH GREAT MAGIC COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY

[@DeftestAphid2]

Honestly Dr. Strange going right into the spell just thinking he wants anyone and everyone to forget him is the biggest sin in the movie. You'd think someone with a PhD would sit down and communicate before going through with something so important and then he blames Peter for not knowing his plan of action prior to commencing the spell. And to top it off he criticizes Peter for not trying to talk with the lady from MIT prior to trying to use magic to fix his problems. The whole situation is jarring to me.

[@tonysmith9905]

It is bad, but it's not a plot hole, that's just his character. Strange is an egotistical wizard always looking to flex and loves to dabble around with dangerous magics.

[@kevinkabingu7160]

@@tonysmith9905 egotistic doesn't equal stupid. Actually his ego should makes him more meticulous coz guys like those always want to be right.

[@gregknight1989]

Just because someone is super smart, don't mean they got any common sense

[@SgtSupaman]

@@kevinkabingu7160 , that sounds entirely backwards. Egotistical people are quick to rush into things because they already think they are right. To them, they don't need time to prepare, because they are always ready.

[@tonysmith9905]

@@kevinkabingu7160 You realize egotistical is a NEGATIVE character trait right? Being egotistical leads you into doing all kinds of things that are bad or stupid. He KNEW the spell could have major consequences on his world by itself, so why would he go through with it for a kid not getting the special college he wanted? Yeah no, sorry but he was definitely being stupid doing the spell at all. Which isn't bad, that's his character and fits Strange perfectly.

[@apolloslyre7897]

My question is how did Dr. Strange bend the mirror dimension to his will like that? In the first movie they made it very clear that reality bending the mirror world means you have some connection to the dark dimension. Did the deal with Dormammu about him never coming back give him an ability like the Zealots? Or did he do something off-screen and dabble in the dark dimension again? Uhhh Sin?

[@summertyme5748]

Yes, and why did he send Parker into the Mirror Dimension in the 1st place. Go ahead and say it's because Parker stole his magic box. When someone steals something from you - > you send them to another dimension - so you can keep chasing them, there. Stop thief. I'm sending you to another dimension! lol. [the real answer was shown early in the film when he teleported parker and his entire rogues gallery into the Wizard's dungeon - Strange is just made stupid as a form of plot armor for Parker, so the fight continues for no reason.]

[@arcturusx5474]

23:57 hahahahaahahaaa but nah!!! and his charecter knows it

[@Brandon_Powell]

11:17 One of Peter Parker's most important characteristics is empathy. He will always make an effort to help everyone. Even the villains because he understands that they didn't always have a choice. Aunt May didn't guilt trip him. She guided him to his better nature you vacant soul.

[@N1NJ4EAGLE]

Empathy until they kill his aunt lol.

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@N1NJ4EAGLE No even then. You can't and shouldn't be able to just turn your empathy off. In Spider-Man 3 Flint Marco killed Uncle Ben. When Peter found out he attempted to get revenge and it only made things worse. After spiraling further down Peter realized how easy it was to make the wrong choices and hurt people and so when he hears the full context of what happened between Flint Marco and Uncle Ben he is able to forgive him. After the Green Goblin kills Aunt May MCU Peter wants revenge but original trilogy Peter recognizes that won't help him. He then helps guide MCU Peter back to the right path. They cure Norman and free him of the Green Goblin and he immediately shows remorse and takes responsibility proving that empathy was the right path.

[@Melqhii]

That concept implodes here. His “empathy” potentially puts millions of lives and worlds at risk. That’s not empathy, just preferential treatment. Empathy does not have tunnel vision, and it excludes no one.

[@emiliebrooklyn3963]

Yeah but why he never learn from his lessons? In the movie far from home he gave billion worth glasses to someone he knew for 2 hours, that person is the reason why everyone knows he is spiderman.

[@alexmcintosh3397]

@Pitch Mind Exactly. All this empathy bs about Peter is completely fabrication. What kind of superhero puts the fate of a few villains over every other damn person, not one who has been through the amazing things this one has. If all that hadn't happened I could understand his naivety but its not his first rodeo. It's his 6th outing and times that by 1000n because he's faced things the other spidey movies never dreamed of. Dumb as it gets like everything else in this universe.