Everything Wrong With The First Presidential Debate

What a train wreck. Let's talk about why the debate was so bad, and what it says about the state of modern American politics.
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[@B_A-tr]

As a satire said: who won the debate? Those who didnt watch it.

[@theonlyjoshuscat]

holy crap i finally won something!

[@infoprod7731]

I call this an absolute win.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

I AM A WINNER!!!!

[@Funkyboy47]

I didn't watch it... I still lost.

[@idontknowwasdead3726]

Idk man, I enjoy watching a good shitshow

[@azulx2936]

“Mr Trump, if you don’t stop interrupting I will do absolutely nothing about it.”

[@markeos7753]

Give him a mute button

[@taliakellegg5978]

@@markeos7753 and a horn

[@taliakellegg5978]

"Mr trump, please respect my wishes for quiet"

[@randomka-52alligatorthatis34]

Turns around the car

[@mohammedraheem6288]

Or the wooden hammer that judges use.

[@YourMom-vd3dc]

"It's a funny show dad, what's it called?" "Your future."

[@ddgg1740]

Lol😂😂😂

[@markeos7753]

Ok google how do I leave Earth

[@chilldude30]

@@markeos7753 you just have to leave America

[@ddgg1740]

@@chilldude30 not accurate cus the usa has effects on the entire world

[@user-rw6xo9jc3n]

@@ddgg1740 its a lose - lose situation lamo

[@Sound557]

“Debate” is being charitable. It was more like a pointless grandpa fight or the worst Thanksgiving dinner you could have.

[@markeos7753]

Sadly there was no turkey.

[@connerrolofson1585]

The point is this. The Republican and Democratic parties hate each other now because of the purchase by the super-rich. They were supposed to talk to each other in the middle ground.

[@mrmaniac3]

There was no turkey, and one of the grandpas threw out the meal that the family vegetarian was making because it "smells like communism"

[@v.k.rt.m.6030]

and the other is like "I'm gonna repeat what Obama did to Gaddafi muhahahah." Both are crap. And before you ask Trump has trashed Gaddafi. TWICE. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2XLg2eFab6do9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5yVl5hvd96SrJo

[@LGKids]

Lol! Peace!

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.” ― George Bernard Shaw

[@MrSiriusAB]

*THIS* Completely agree and don't get anyone saying "both candidates were bad" , there's literally no strategy Biden could have used with Trump acting like a fucking child

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

@@MrSiriusAB he should have just walked out. He gained nothing in that debate.

[@MrSiriusAB]

@@Atoll-ok1zm that would have been considering defeat and we wouldn't hear the last of it

[@stlkngyomom]

If voting made a difference,They wouldn't let us do it. Mark Twain

[@nationradical]

Nah Trump is imploding in the polls now, his covid diagnosis has helped crash his approval too. Everyone who loves Trump stays loving him, but he didn’t gain ANY new voters from this debate.

[@thescopedogable]

This debate is the clearest sign of imperial decline I have ever seen both candidates perfectly represent the parties they stand for corrupt incompetent and with clear contempt for the working class

[@JavaProgrammingify]

Are you sure about "both" parties. Seems to me like you're comparing an imperfect and sometimes corrupt party with a fascist party who wants to send a million innocent children across the border and remove health care from millions of Americans. Oh yes! Both parties are evil and incompetent. Yeah, right.

[@ziquaftynny9285]

Do you want trump to win?

[@evan6338]

@@JavaProgrammingify that's the trouble with baby lefties. They're so intent on seeing the evils of the world that they see them as the same cartoonish threat level, when in reality there is nuance to evil, as with anything else.

[@ziquaftynny9285]

There are only two choices... grow up

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

@@JavaProgrammingify Seems like the 'both parties' rhetoric is a coping mechanism for some who are, for whatever reason, incapable of admitting that Republicans are the ones to always draw first blood, and oftentimes the only blood. Maybe it's easier to think that there's equal blame and that nothing could be done to make things even marginally better. Republicans as a party are vicious like a cornered and rabid wolverine and always play all the dirty tricks, and now they're even more obnoxious with Trump calling the shots. Democrats don't compare at all and maybe because of that the right wingers have to constantly make up these fantastical theories of evil democrats that eat babies and worship satan. Because in reality they're either more or less just empty corporate shills, doing more or less the lawful corruption thing that is be the local custom (nothing admirable about that, but not eating babies either).

[@MasterPeibol]

From an European point of view, from Nixon onwards, it has been swinging between moderate right and far right.

[@tablo1394]

Nixon was left, he was for Universal Basic Income and Universal Healthcare, he just couldn't get congress on board.

[@SoulDevoured]

It's weird how isolated Americans are in the age of the internet. It's like we can't hear anyone over our own screaming.

[@marshalljulie3676]

@@SoulDevoured and you keep yourself ignorant about other countries development because you think you live in the best country in the world

[@SoulDevoured]

@@marshalljulie3676 less true now than it was. Now it's kinda split between people who think it's the best and people who think it's the worst

[@detheater128]

@@marshalljulie3676 this has more to do with public education. There is a vested interest in the US to have an ignorant population. I never learned about labor movements/war crimes/ systemic oppression in the US until I looked into it on my own. Education threatens the establishment.

[@ableman8]

America is a live Netflix show for the world to watch. Season 2020 is coming to an end. Let's see how this goes.

[@professorcube5104]

Season 2021 is already crazy and i am on episode 15

[@professorcube5104]

Oh damn on episode 18 bill wurtz released a video

[@professorcube5104]

Also it is inaguaration day on episode 20

[@professorcube5104]

Episode 52 was my burpday yay

[@musiccer7446]

There were like 1400 seasons without any relevant content lol

[@jacobodell5231]

"Like two men in a nursing home arguing over a Scrabble game" is the most accurate description of this debate I've heard yet.

[@danielm6341]

Technically in the US, a game of Monopoly.

[@bennettsbroz5837]

Darn rite

[@xavibun]

This debate felt like an Among Us lobby of random people.

[@magiv4205]

God, it's sad how right you are

[@Nordkiinach]

*_"This debate felt like an Among Us lobby of random people."_* Where Red was nowhere near the dead pile of bodies, but was still ejected... Red was not the Imposter. 2-Imposters still remain.

[@User24x]

Orange is sus

[@Nordkiinach]

@@User24x *_"Orange is Sus"_* Nah, Blue and Yellow are sus. Probably the Imposters too.

[@RageTyrannosaurus]

@@Nordkiinach Blue and yellow?

[@owenschafer4750]

4:02 "But what happens when you have a 74-year old, blustering, compulsive, liar, and a 77-year-old career politician suffering from dementia, and put them on the stage together?" God, I love this channel.

[@fallen4life080]

As much as I don't like Biden as a progressive leftist, I honestly don't like people saying Biden has dementia. My aunt had dementia, like LEGIT dementia, and it's incredibly depressing watching them lose their identity and forget who you are. Biden is just old, but it's very insulting to say a relatively healthy 78 year old has dementia.

[@chiangkaishrek5123]

“Everything wrong with the presidential debate” *Everything*

[@tonypollock9900]

Frfr

[@LGKids]

Rite! Peace!

[@huss4realz]

Lmaooo this is great. The patriotic music over the first presidential debate 🤣🤣🤣

[@SecondThought]

I really wanted to highlight just how absurd it was. Glad you liked it!

[@huss4realz]

@@SecondThought you did a fantastic job with that as usual!

[@infoprod7731]

patriotic is best in music

[@bestgun9994]

@@infoprod7731 imo, its kind of trash.

[@thegoldengamer9315]

@@infoprod7731 no the soviet anthem

[@r.i.petika829]

Title says: “This is America?” Yes *“This is America”*

[@brandonwilliams6221]

Don’t catch you slipping now

[@hansonel]

Childish Gambino's "This is America" is the anthem for 2020

[@17cuzzo]

English isn’t my first language but shouldn’t be “is this America ? “

[@r.i.petika829]

@@17cuzzo Well for this case I'm just hinting to the song "This Is America" from the artist Childish Gambino. It's not supposed to be formal in any way. Also, great English!

[@whimsibee4401]

@@17cuzzo It would be said kind of like "THIS is America?" Like in awe that what in front of you is what it is, so in this case it would be a statement of awe that what occurred here in the debate is in America and that it is directly affecting what America's identity is.

[@hewhomustnotbenamed5912]

Alternative title: Everything Wrong With The First Old Right Wing Men Pretending they're Not Both Puppets of The Bourgeoisie Debate

[@satevo462]

Trump is King Joffrey if he grew up. The most spoiled and hated person ever.

[@wothin]

He was quite loved before being president

[@thowl7065]

@@wothin Not by me!

[@matthewcrites4197]

Woah woah don't insult King Joffrey like that

[@connerrolofson1585]

The Republican and Democratic parties hate each other now because of the purchase by the super-rich. They were supposed to talk to each other in the middle ground.

[@arcsindiva5932]

@@wothin I never liked him. My memory of him extends to the 80s.

[@mertle7114]

I live in Australia and watching the debate was simultaneously one of the funniest and saddest things i have ever watched

[@thegodofimagination]

As some one from the UK couldn't agree more

[@gdaymates431]

I watched it too and checked my stress levels on my watch and they were high hahaha. Very high. Right in the red zone. Lol

[@connerrolofson1585]

The Republican and Democratic parties hate each other now because of the purchase by the super-rich. They were supposed to talk to each other in the middle ground. There is proof is this, right here. www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/republicans-democrats-divide-party-demographics-districts/index.html, www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2019-10-21/democrats-republicans-and-the-new-politics-of-hate

[@haydenphillips3153]

It would be funny if I didn't live here.

[@danielm6341]

I had to wonder whether a presidential model encourages narcissism. If this was a parliamentary model, such bratty behaviour would have been pulled up by their peers.

[@bestgun9994]

Its not even a debate. A debate is where people get turns to say their side. But this was literally Trump just talking. Like he wasn't even letting the moderator ask questions. It was not a debate. Just trump interrupting. trump didn't even show his plan at all. He was just saying that bidens bad and trump deserves to stay in power and shit.

[@SlashinatorZ]

Charlie kirk vs Kyle kulinski was a Charlie monologue & this was a shitshow

[@bestgun9994]

@@AxxLAfriku This isn't even funny. this is just weird, weirdo. Please stop. You're not funny. and you're a weirdo.

[@bobbyferg9173]

Annan Aziz Hossain At this point the best thing to do against bot comments like that is to report them for spam in the hopes that KZbin will catch on

[@bestgun9994]

@@bobbyferg9173 i dont think hes a bot. look at his channel.

[@bestgun9994]

@@hugokam7762 what?

[@user-de8ue5cs6s]

basically the whole debate in a nutshell biden: i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i- trump: joe, you're the liar

[@elizabethsmith7224]

He's got a stutter, it's not his fault

[@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield]

That’s almost too grammatically correct for Trump. In reality it’s: “Joe is” (repeat adjectives x5), pause, (negate moderator x3), “Ukraine”, “bad”, “I’m very better than joe.”

[@alexishemeon]

"stand back and stand by" aged nicely

[@bobbyferg9173]

When this moderator has less power than the average Discord mod in stopping out of control conversations that talk over each other

[@safe-keeper1042]

Thank god Trump was voted out. America wouldn't have survived another four years under him.

[@rainmanhart2809]

@@safe-keeper1042 meh same with biden. These guys got paid off by the same coorperations.

[@klondor7432]

@@safe-keeper1042 Bruh both of them are bad, lmao. 😅

[@safe-keeper1042]

@@rainmanhart2809 I doubt Biden is going to turn America into a far-right dictatorship. That's where it was headed with Trump.

[@val3688]

AS A DISCORD MOD IM ROLLING THIS IS TOO ACCURATE

[@BG-360]

Who else watched the debate and went "This is hilarious" and then realized you live in the US and you go "we're fucked"

[@a_human8489]

Can we all agree a rap battle would be awsome Luckily weird al has you covered on that one

[@user-go3jv8rw7i]

Weird al is a legend

[@trashbeast]

weird al 2024

[@Vanillastump]

ERB does a rap battle between candidates every 4 years. Of course, no one really wins or loses those (usually), but they're funny, and often have some lines that make you say "Oh shit".

[@PuffleFuzz]

When trump took a shot at beau and Hunter, I was pissed.

[@cirea3932]

Yeah that annoyed the hell out of me

[@lightningrOdZ16]

In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population. Noam Chomsky

[@daire5377]

Na not really were I live parties cant be bought out

[@lazymass]

@@Argozification Its not... two party system is as close to one party system as it can be, most countries dont have that...

[@magiv4205]

@@Argozification My country has dozends of political parties of which the 4 biggest rule together. And bribing any party is illegal, as opposed to America, where it's the norm. Of course there's worse political places than America. But I don't think the most powerful nation on Earth should measure itself by the lowest bar and be proud when they just barely step over it. Wise words from Noam.

[@user-mt4bk4ml7t]

@@Argozification well, you're *very* wrong. words from the netherlands

[@derekdexheimer3070]

This quote is from Gore Vidal, not Chomsky.

[@amartinez5326]

"Sundowning, moderate Republican" was a good one.

[@emergcon]

One should ask oneself why the most brutal attac ads on trump are made by a republican think tank. aka the lincoin project.

[@zeggsy0554]

@@emergcon Uh my first assumption would be, because the left has basically no mainstream platform in the u.s. and libs are usally quiet timid and respectability politics obsessed, which kinda only leaves the more moderate right to attack the far-right in attack ads that are mainstream visible.

[@PBAmygdala2021]

Always ask: "who benefits?" For a televised debate, it's the broadcasters (revenue) and advertisers (exposure). That's all the TV debate has ever been.

[@gabrielrabelo4968]

"but i don't see them switching to my prefered form of rap battle" LOL

[@nickc3657]

It blows my mind that they don’t just cut their mics at the end of their time

[@heychrisfox]

It really was surprising. Even in the debates against Hillary, Trump interrupted a lot, but it wasn't this bad. I think he's on a power trip; he's been in an uncontested position as "most powerful person," and the fact that he had to follow rules simply did not compute.

[@desmondcassity8909]

It’s what gets them more views

[@adamboh393]

Legally they aren’t allowed

[@garethbaus5471]

@@adamboh393 No laws I know of require the microphone to be turned on at all times during a debate. All they would have to do is set up all the microphones on timers so they are only running during the allotted time an impartial system that doesn't need a moderator.

[@kobeygriffith6015]

The national anthem in the background made it so much better

[@connerrolofson1585]

Ironically, yes

[@Me-md7kx]

Hello im chris wallace. Welcome to the 1st presidential rap battle. (Now I know why Kanye wanted to run for president🤣)

[@racewiththefalcons1]

There should be no debates. There should simply be 3 straight hours of listing each policy position of each candidate side-by-side with their voting history on that policy, and who they have accepted money from in regards to that policy. No words, no music, nothing but this text.

[@PBAmygdala2021]

Brilliant! Trouble is, the broadcasters want to make profit, and for that they need a daytime talkshow throwdown to get the masses watching.

[@racewiththefalcons1]

@@PBAmygdala2021, oh, of course. I have worked in TV broadcasting since 2006. It's all about entertainment, not news. Politics is merely the sport with old white guys in suits.

[@Kero7th]

You know it kills me we are voting for grandmas and grandpas all the time. They are sooooo old. I wouldn't trust my grandma to run shit.

[@cirea3932]

They wise tho

[@FujinKeima]

@@cirea3932 Really seeing all that wisdom on display lol/s

[@deanmoriarty6015]

@@cirea3932 more like out of touch

[@garethbaus5471]

@@cirea3932 Then set them up as an advisor who doesn't have any direct power.

[@stellar702_]

Love him or hate him, Biden has done what we all want to do: Tell Trump to shut up

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

And it solved nothing

[@ThePussukka]

Didn't call him fat though which he should've

[@aloreantherogue4439]

@@ThePussukka wow insulting someone based on their body shape how mature

[@haroldinho9930]

AloreanTheRogue Don’t tell me you like trump I support Biden but im not American so I can’t vote

[@ThePussukka]

@@aloreantherogue4439 r/woosh but what ever I'm gonna explain it. That is a meme on the popular leftist political commentator on Twitch HasanAbi's channel when during commentating the presidential debate Hasan repeatedly said Biden just needs to call Trump fat as that would be fitting for that stupid sports style debate

[@jackvac1918]

You want an example of a "good" political debater? Ben Shapiro. Even if lies, bullshit, and logical fallacies are all that ever come out of his mouth, he can spout them so fast that his opponents cannot debunk all of them before the debate ends and Shapiro comes out looking the better competitor for those who didn't critically listen to his talking points. Political debates are spectacle over substance, about "owning" one side over any real intelligent discussion.

[@hyperion3145]

@Lucas Zhu The Shapiro Spout?

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

Yep. Speaking quickly is mistaken for a sign of intelligence from people that are too dumb to parse out what is actually being said. You know, the meaning of the words being said, context, wether or not a thing is true or false, ect.. You just have to say it fast and loud, and people will be like 'omg he DESTROYED so and so with FACTS and LOGIC!' even if there isn't a single word spoken that is true, or the 'logic' being used is veiled propaganda.

[@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield]

It’s so annoying that people champion him as a debater. He creates fallacies every other word.

[@dorderre]

"You're the worst president America has ever had, c'mon" That's literally the only sentence I could make out in that first minute xD

[@juliandeleeuw3817]

This channel keeps amazing me, my country (Netherlands) is quite Capitalist, but even here big companies are unable to bankrupt thousends of people because they fell from their bike. Love this content I am afraid for the US's future but maybe one day it will be better.

[@juliandeleeuw3817]

Like your work is amazing, and I hope your video's actually have some impact on peoples thoughts. But probably more around thr world than America itself.

[@stefangrobbink7760]

Yeah, even our central-right government is more left leaning than the democrats.

[@juliandeleeuw3817]

@A 1995 mostly better compared to the US in my opinion

[@stefangrobbink7760]

@A 1995 it depends on the country and voting system, really. The UK has a winner takes all system, which has led to a single party ruling the country with 35% or so of the vote. The Belgian system is horribly divided into a flemish and a french speaking part, which leads to a lack of functional government. The Dutch political system is getting increasingly fractured, and the country is currently being ruled by a 4 party coalition. I don't know much about the French and German systems tbh. Italy is having trouble forming a coalition last time I heard and had to redo an election. This was a year ago, however and given the fact that they made a spending plan that violated EU rules, means that they got a government together. The eastern half is still figuring out how democracy works, with poland and Hungary being under a far-right government. Both governments are eroding democratic values and suppressing press freedom, which would usually lead to EU sanctions, but Poland vetoes sanctions against Hungary and Hungary returns the favour. I don't hear much from the others, which probably means that things are either going relatively well, or are too far away for our media to cover it.

[@TVC15ohoh]

I was born in Holland and moved out here when I was four years old a LONG time ago. Think again, Julian, this channel has many amazing videos, but this one wasn't one of them. In fact, it was one of the WORST takes on the political situation here in the States I've ever seen. As a Dutchman, you should know better. And btw, at this point, I wish my parents had never moved from Holland. GREAT country. I may move back yet - and WILL if Trump gets reelected - which he won't, though. But if he does, I'm outta here. (Love the name, Julian, btw.)

[@s1mplem4gic58]

6:02 "Can I be honest?" "Try to be honest" Lmao 😭

[@CCC9437]

I caught that too 😭😭

[@tiktak3559]

*"Ends up looking like a nursing home fight over a game of scrabble."* That sums it up....

[@infoprod7731]

Second Thought: He gave a message to incite conflict to far right wing movements me 3 months later: he was so right.

[@kahldrialeighsun1208]

"..debate between former reality TV star and sun downing moderate REPUBLICAN..." Let me say thank you! Finally someone else sees what I see! Anyone who stands next to an outright fascist, will appear more left by default. However- this does not make them a Democrat, or a liberal, or a leftist. Words are important. We call things by their proper names to ensure our intended meaning is conveyed. Unless, of course, that is not what you want and are instead pulling some wool over eyes. I'm only three minutes in and already I had to comment on the importance of the information on offer here. You are doing critical work. You have inspired me. When I save up enough money (sometime in next few years hopefully) I'm going to buy a PC that I can edit video with. I want to help. I want to do something. I can't just be a passive witness anymore. Thank you. What you're doing it's so very important. 👏😍❤

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

Whoever originally said that "the democrats became the 90's republicans and republicans became insane" had it right.

[@diannerussman1302]

Shameful shameful on both of them

[@monke6774]

I'd still vote for Biden because its a hell of a lot easier to reform our corrupt two party system under a capitalist oligarchy than a fascist dictatorship.

[@HenriqueErzinger]

More than a year ago, Cody Johnston made a video arguing that Biden should run as a republican in Some More News: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqmZfpp4n7dngZI

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

@@HenriqueErzinger Everyone knows Biden is more like a moderate/traditonal republican than a leftist/left leaning democrat, but that's still no excuse to not vote him, when the other option is Trump.

[@aftokratory]

The debate was an absolute disgrace. Edit: I love how you called Biden a Republican, that was brilliant!

[@alephkasai9384]

Did I miss something cus I thought Biden was always a republican?

[@amygee549]

Actually not a republican. Never in fact.

[@georgf9279]

@@amygee549 He is a republican. He just joined the other party as a mole.

[@koka1571]

I'm so confused (isn't he a democrat?)

[@BMoser-bv6kn]

@@koka1571 He's going to put John Kasich somewhere in his cabinet. The democratic party fully died after it was hijacked by Clinton, now they're reformed as the party of George W Bush. Fun times.

[@robbybergers3997]

This gave me a nostalgia trip from the good old days of 12 year olds raging in mw2 lobbies

[@eleosde7045]

I am fully aware that your script is informative satire, and I love your work. I just wanted to point out that Biden has a speech impediment. I see so few people actually acknowledge that, while making dementia jokes. I have taken so many public speaking classes, and there was often someone with a speech impediment in those classes who would use the wrong word, or combine words. I understand his age makes dementia a funny joke, but having a stutter causes public speaking to be a very difficult task. Even people without impediments tumble over words, and sound lost. Just food for thought!

[@kylehayden3113]

Moderators should have the ability to cut an debater's mic after their time is up or if they are just yelling over their opponent. If Trump is willing to yell over his opponent, why would having a second person for him to yell over make it any better?

[@GeorgeStJohnQuimby]

This is why Trump doesn't want to have a "virtual format" debate!

[@maxwellli7057]

Thats how it works in Taiwan

[@emergcon]

I do remember debates where candidates had a count down to make their point and the opponent had one to respond. and there was a whole panel of moderators.

[@psychicbyinternet]

Yep, and make them answer the question. And if they didn't then they ask the question again and they have to say yes or no, no elaboration.

[@drechslervilela]

In Brazil the moderator can cut the microfone. But Bolsonaro just didn't attended the debates and made the entire campaign through WhatsApp and Facebook. Same idea, tell a lot of lies, accuse the others of fake news, fear of communism, alignment with religious extremists and supremacists, science denial... same horror show.

[@sorcererberoll4641]

I think Britain’s way of bringing each party leader on one at a time and answering questions is better you can actually hear the candidates for one

[@sorcererberoll4641]

61 Cygni I’m not talking about inside parliament I’m talking about the run up to the elections

[@ShawFujikawa]

61 Cygni No, what goes on inside the House of Commons during PMQ time is more analogous to passing bills in Congress than a presidential debate. Lots of ‘yay’ and ‘nay’ but any actually rowdy behaviour is regulated by the Speaker of the House. We rarely do debates between party leaders as America does but the ones that do are quite civil as you’d expect from public servants.

[@diffusegd]

Well you get the occasional ORDER ORDER ORDER ORDER ORDER ORDER -speaker OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO -parliament

[@obamaprism9702]

As was pointed out twice before we are talking about the debate format used in the U.K., not the U.K. parliament

[@Gabowsk]

Cinema Sins should make an "Everything Wrong with Debates 2020 in 1 hour or less".

[@waffleboi8147]

*18 hours or less

[@arfido]

It is sad to see that your new videos are hidden by the youtube algorithm, much love form Scandinavia

[@kajlauritzen9765]

As seen from abroad.... I just wonder where this downward spiral is going to take USA. Why are there no candidates younger than 75??? I love America, spent a part of my youth there. But now... Build a wall, Yes. All around the US.

[@Winstick]

As an american I can confirm that it's not going great. I don't know much about why all the candidates are old, other than the fact that running for president costs money. A lot of it.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

Because younger people are “unexperienced” or some other drivel. And historically speaking younger presidents don’t turn out well. See JFK. And even if you got both sides to field multiple 35-40 year olds, older people would prefer to vote for the old people on either side.

[@infoprod7731]

Yea we should get at LEAST people on their 60s

[@hansonel]

As an American I don't have a positive future outlook for the country since so many on both side of the aisle are speeding down a path of unsustainability heading for a cliff. We have major systemic problems (compared to 1st world nations), half of which seem to go back to the founding of the country... We're one of the few developed nations without universal healthcare or maternity leave policies. Work life balance is out of whack for most and we have turned a virus into political insanity... I have lost faith in the US seeing how things were done (or rather not done) this year; the US isn't a progressive nation and is more about maintaining a 1950's levels of status quo. I'm planning to relocate to either Canada or Western Europe in the near future.

[@w495_]

Trump is 74

[@casbot71]

America needs a *Preferential voting system.* You number your Party/ Candidate when you vote, and the lowest polling candidate gets discarded then their _number #2_ votes are counted. The system continues till someone gets 50+% (usually one of the major Parties, but not always). It's the system used in Australia, and it does tend to keep politics more sane, as even the nutters or the pure ideologues in the major Parties tend to leave and form other Parties. There is the whole game of preference swaps, which can get complicated, but it's still better than the American system [the major headache in Aus Politics is the media dominance by the Murdoch press]. So for example you could have a Green Party and even a few more Parties on the _not Right_ end of the spectrum, and they would not just act as Spoilers that end up _aiding the GOP._ And if the Dems get in with a lot of preferences from Green first choice voters or from the BLM Party or the Moms against gun violence Party, they will realise that constituency has a lot of support and will be more willing to pander to it in policy decisions. And what are the policy points of the Kanye Party anyway? And on the flip side, a series of special interest Far Right Parties would enable the mainstream GOP to rid itself of its extremist wings by putting them in another Party. Compartmentalizing the rabid nutcases into groups that don't hold the reigns of power within the Party. So there could be a NRA Party, a Evangelical Party, the How is that racist? Party, the Libertarians, and the Authoritarians are our father figure that makes us feel safe with a completely made up insulated reality Party.

[@GeorgeStJohnQuimby]

Only in the case of the USA, it would need 52 preferential voting systems, since the states can choose whatever system they want. The USA needs a new Constitution. The present one doesn't work.

[@nyri0]

I live in Munich, Germany, and the local elections have a really cool system. On the one hand there is a classic vote for the mayor (popular vote in two turns). On the other hand, there is a vote for the city council, and it's where it gets interesting: you have a list of the names of the candidates from all lists, and you have 80 points that you can give however you want, you can give up to 3 points per candidate. The lists get seats proportionally to how many points they have, and then the seats are attributed in order of the number of points that each candidate got. For a presidential election though, the system that you described seems good, a bit more elaborate than a 2-round popular vote (which would already be a huge step up compared to the electoral college).

[@alw2839]

@@GeorgeStJohnQuimby I agree it needs something.

[@mylesiswhite4122]

The fact that you think we have a working preferential voting in Australia is completely wrong. Murdoch has such a stranglehold over our democracy that most people don’t even know how to use preferential voting so it is still a two party vote. E.g 1-labor 2-Liberals 3-5-other, even though labor and liberal policies are completely different to each other people still put them one after the other. It doesn’t work because people as a collective are to lazy or unmotivated to learn and the gutting of our education means people forget or don’t learn about how it works in the first place.

[@alw2839]

@@mylesiswhite4122 You learn something new everyday.

[@John-lh1qx]

If these people ever learn the phrase Argumentum ad hominem it will become so overused as to be meaningless

[@playerguy2]

5:00 "I know I said debate is a terrible format, but I don't see them switching to my preferred format of rap battles any time soon." I really did not expect that, damn. Not sure if that'd be fun or painful to listen to.

[@nathana7235]

"Radical left" Ha I wish

[@ediodimacaroni]

@fox_fires i didn't know it was that bad

[@areallyboredguy5825]

fox_fires you mean nazis you have them. Just a few of them. We have a half country of them.

[@JastwatchingYT]

@@areallyboredguy5825 *cough* fascism is right wing *cough*

[@areallyboredguy5825]

Gagan Singh “nazi says socialist in the name! It must be left wing!!” Because the democratic republic of North Korea is totally a republic and totally democratic.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

Gagan Singh I can see why. I think I replied to someone else or meant to who said they don’t really have far right parties and most everything is centre or centre left or centre right so I was like oh they have them. They’re just nazis and we have half a country of nazis (republicans). I wonder if something got deleted or edited. I specifically remember the country being in Scandinavia .

[@lxverdant1837]

If the Three Stooges had a presidential debate, this is what it would look like

[@frederik7338]

I was giggling oncontrollably through the opening debate montage. That was amazing! xD

[@nuvisionprinting]

I officially love this channel even more! You don't sugarcoat anything & I love it!!!!!

[@LucasL512]

Maybe we should change how we call both parties. The DNC should be the "Conservatives" and the GOP the "Fascists"

[@battlefalcon109gaming4]

@@friedrichk.5609 currently Trump is dragging America down a veryyyy similar rabbit hole that Hitler dragged Germany through in the 1930s

[@Dsonsee]

@@friedrichk.5609 where do you draw the line? what parts do you think are missing for you to call it fascism? Not trying to prove you wrong, I want to decide whether they're fascists or not

[@angquangnguyenthac2833]

@@Dsonsee While they arent explicitly "Fascist", they are pretty much reaching the "Ultranationalist" point. And that will never be good for a country no matter what you think.

[@jakupsundoe6226]

Doubt you could call the Democrats “conservative”

[@Joseph-sm6je]

“Will you shut up man” - Biden The greatest lime ever spoken.

[@edgelord8337]

Spoken like a true presidential candidate.

[@druelia9485]

🍈🍈🍈🍈

[@namehere5675]

Considering the sh**show we have seen so far, yep. It was extremely satisfying to see those little quips. Personally, I would love to see someone attempt to slap some sense into Trump. That said, it's sad that the bar has been lowered so far that this is what passes for the "greatest line ever spoken." I am starting to agree with Second Thought. This sh**show can't keep going on for much longer. But people keep pushing it down the line. People don't want to deal with it.

[@Scroteydada]

It works because it's what every one was thinking. Even conservatives were secretly wishing he'd stop showing himself up, I bet.

[@Joseph-sm6je]

limes

[@Amphibax]

Maybe we should just get back to traditional dueling seems like we would get a better outcome

[@jortand]

I don’t know if I should be scared or laugh at this reality TV show that is the USA

[@bradyk6017]

The debate was hilarious if you pretend it's a parody, but then you remember one of these men will be the leader of the "most power" country in the world

[@LancesArmorStriking]

Last time I was this early, we all thought Trump was a joke candidate...

[@GeorgeStJohnQuimby]

And he still is.

[@InfernoMutant]

Just found your channel, and I am in love with your videos and thoughts!!

[@mentonerodominicano]

"...if you hated it, a thumbs down" Love this guy, I'll sign up for the Patreon.

[@htm4106]

This comment section might become extremely aggressive. Will just sit here watching these two sides clashing together

[@SecondThought]

🍿

[@carnosinehobs7759]

🍙i got some rice cakes for it too

[@miasolum5612]

I almost never see any Trumpists in this comment section lol

[@carnosinehobs7759]

Probably because they never have second thoughts about supporting a wannabe fascist dictator

[@pigeonpersona8171]

@Mette B Not yet, but do you not see the damage he's doing to the United States' already flawed democratic institutions? If he could have complete control, he would gladly take it.

[@o0Avalon0o]

Dump did what he always does; agrees to do something and then immediately goes back on his word while yelling at the closest human he can find.

[@fnutarf2085]

I suppose you didnt spell it wrong? ;)

[@Caleldir]

Dump 😭😂 im fucking dead

[@bwackbeedows3629]

Red and Blue BOTH acting kinda sus...

[@annoythedonkey]

I laughed out loud when the “nursing home fight over a game of scrabble”

[@raphaelfeldman9279]

Hi, Second Thought! Thanks for producing this important type of content! Your work helped me realized everything wrong with the capitalist system and our government. America really needs work!

[@soldierinsane2689]

Very surprised it's only 14:48 mins long

[@julessantana9416]

Hey man, my grandma has Alzheimer’s, and when you said “sun-downing”.... I lost my mind laughing lol. This whole video is a winner man.

[@nickporter8789]

I’m just grateful you videos exist. Being a first time voter I’m trying to make the best decision I can

[@duuplo]

As an European I find this whole thing hilarious and watch these videos mainly for entertainment. But I kind of feel bad knowing whoever wins this election will have way too much power in their hands according to their brain capacity

[@EddieKMusic]

Dumbo Octopus We don't care

[@Beat9]

This should be a fun one

[@lucasrhan]

I know, right? I'm excited

[@serpentzachary1340]

Yeah what's more fun than watching 2 old man rambling. I rather go listen to my grandpa rambling about zionist world order than that.

[@carnosinehobs7759]

I would rather listen to my *dead* grandfather ramble, spewing dead spittle and all.

[@serpentzachary1340]

@Androva J. That's the most unchristian thing I've ever heard. Abusing children is not a christian thing! It's the priest mental problem.

[@blackchang1981]

@Secondthought....Thank you. I truly appreciate your objective approach to report.

[@agschwend]

Fantastic video! Thank you.

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

"Everything Wrong With The First Presidential Debate " - you mean, the whole thing?

[@moalston4203]

Damn right

[@mohammedraheem6288]

Well atleast there is one.

[@forhonortangled1641]

The "Debate" happened in Greece thousand years ago was about to find out "Truth". When Socrates argues with the many, they are not in the purpose of being a senate of the council or gaining fame, but instead, figuring out the ultimate question of philosophy "Why is this world like this?" The "Debate" in politics today is all about gaining "Power". The two camps are standing in absolute opposite standpoint. There is no room, and no reason for the two parties to compromise, not even a single thing that they can both agree with. With such a stage set like this, debaters will gradually figure out the most efficient way to convince the audience, or to defeat the opponent is insult, and use ideology as a weapon. What is an Ideology? It's a dogmatistic concept, and nobody in the world can PROVE it right or wrong. For instance, a claim "Freedom is the universal value that every government should adopt!" Socrates may argue:"If you absolute support freedom in politics, how about laws that protects your personal assets from being robbed?"

[@mohammedraheem6288]

What if rather than having presidential debates we have plans discussed towards a common goal. Such as reducing death or increasing GDP per capita. Then each side should ask for evidence or suggest improvements.

[@forhonortangled1641]

@@mohammedraheem6288 Don't you think Wallace was asking those kind of questions? With Two-party monopoly they know their base population secured, all they have to do is to convert the waivers with dodging questions or distorting facts (that the majority likes to hear the most). Not to mention the politic in the US has been penetrated by capital so deep that their ultimate interest of those parties are protecting or making profits for their companies. For one thing I've observed in the state is that the infrastructures had merely changed since the 90s and all other better developing countries (like China, Korea, even some African countries) are modernizing in a speed you couldn't imagine. But at the same time you will see big companies are profiting in Us like crazy and their offices are getting fancier and fancier. Meanwhile, take a look at the NY subway. And Yes, I do not mean to deny the overall wealth development from the big capitals DO bring benefits to their people. However, it is not the MAJOR motive for them to bring happiness but more like a charity to keep their world running with minimal efforts. When a social crisis does hit the world, you see the true color of a regime.

[@mohammedraheem6288]

@@forhonortangled1641 that's why we need to up date the electoral system and change the way we consume media. But this only can be done by engaging with all our communities. Even those whom promote things you're personally against. At the moment the wider population is not fully aware or if it is, is not politically active to democratically bring about these changes.

[@mohammedraheem6288]

@@forhonortangled1641 in terms of economics I suggest we limit taxation to fund regulations, and to help create sustainable, independent and ethical economies. That way local industries will feel cared for. And consumers will feel protected from unsafe products.

[@ruthiev17]

i'm sorry, but the bickering with the star spangled banner layered on top was so hilarious LOL

[@fssr1979]

Excellent video! Sharp and bold! Thank you!

[@TECHNICKER_Cz]

America needs a reform, this is becoming extremely sad

[@ShrikantSonone]

Ah man, It was my dream to visit any stay for a long time in US to experience the great nation. But I think it not possible right now. But I still think what makes America great is because of the people who fight for the righteous. Don't loose hope people. we know you guys can make it through this time. Let the democracy prevail.

[@ruisen2000]

I remember reading a dystopian story back in high school where people get distracted by these types of TV shows while their country falls apart, and I thought "what a crazy story". Can't believe that Ray Bradbury was really predicting modern day America back in the 50's.

[@xeyon]

Love this channel. Keep up the good work!

[@magiv4205]

Was waiting for you to cover this absolute trainwreck. Dear god.

[@potatoesare_jesus2278]

If I where the moderator I would have walked out... LMAO

[@kylemorris3673]

Great work man. Keep it up

[@zwidawurzn9423]

Great content!

[@boysenbeary]

Republicans: The Democrats are gonna help the people and do cool stuff!! Democrats: No we’re not! We need a goddamned Peoples Party or a Left Party. I’m tired of a far-right neo-liberal party and a center-right liberal party.

[@Cvishalhavish]

There is a social democratic party and a socialist party you could vote for :)

[@MA-jn7rd]

There is a green party

[@Cvishalhavish]

@@MA-jn7rd and a communist party i think

[@Cvishalhavish]

@Jean Sanchez rly? I didnt know that what makes it a cult?

[@Cvishalhavish]

@Jean Sanchez oh wow thats ah... very bad isnt there a libertarian socialist party?

[@dpranjko]

Second thought, you were my 10th favorite subscription until your video about capitalism and the american pandemic response. From there on you climbed on the top. You have a friend in Croatia!

[@zooeyhill6006]

Can't wait for the next one in 2 days. Should be AWESOME.

[@JohnSmith-vm8rx]

Awesome segment man!

[@atharvanayak3880]

I am not even American but I love this channel. The political scene in America and my country (India) is very similar. I would love it if you discuss political situations around the world.

[@fuckyougeorgebush]

It's the same no matter where you go. A group of people think they can delegate rights that no individual has and eventually everything turns into chaos.

[@biggunz29xx]

I dont even live in America and im embarrassed for us. As a US citizen living in Canada i can tell you alot of them are shocked at Americans for how stupid the country has become.

[@battlefalcon109gaming4]

Yep I'm a Canadian and I can confirm that America has become a complete dumpster joke in terms of how dumb the president is and us Canadians being shocked to the point that Trump's become a complete joke

[@dedge511]

Thanks for the content!!

[@TIMVESTMENTS]

Cant wait for the 2nd debate!!!

[@Rxdino4429]

I'm always excited when you upload ☺️

[@SecondThought]

❤️

[@Toast4tw]

"Man the first debate sure was bad let's hope the VP debate is better!" VP debate is reasonable without too many interruptions and some actual policy talk for once: "Oh lOoK tHeRe's a fLy oN PeNce!!1" You deserve this, America.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

The VP debate offered nothing but talking points. Also it infuriates both had no ambitions. Pence is another evil corporate GOP Robot and Harris offered nothing new and is not willing to take actions on climate change, healthcare, and can’t even get foreign policy right when she cry’s about Russia but not other bad allies like Saudi Arabia. Being calmer offered nothing when it’s the same crap ideas.

[@Scroteydada]

The vampire has been identified

[@ice319]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! This is exactly right! And this debate should be an example of the exact things you have BEEN saying. Thank you again brother!

[@jb-fz7be]

I absolutely love your videos! Keep them up