Everything Wrong With: The Primarchs

[@Vaw.]

Sanguinius is also posed like Michael the Archangel in a painting titled “The Archangel Michael defeating Satan” so that’s where the pose comes from

[@lucidnonsenseable]

I believe Guido Reni's Michael is the inspiration but there's more than enough renaissance art that they drew from. The thing is it seems like they forgot they were making a model and not a painting, so it looks OK from one angle but all of the foreshortening in the art makes the pose look super awkward when you can move around it. That said it does look better with the spear instead of the sword.

[@Sinewmire]

Yeah, clearly inspired by the cover of Fear To Tread (presumably the same inspiration) but I feel like the way the legs are posed makes him look like he's sitting and this, coupled with the butt rock, really throws the motion of the miniature off. It's a shame, I'm a Blood Angels player since the early 90s, but I've never felt the need to own this.

[@craigjones7343]

The pose looks terrible on its own, but with the display base the pose makes sense and look amazing.

[@tazzan8160]

Its a very popular pose in italian reinassance art

[@craigjones7343]

@@tazzan8160 yes but the pose is never see in isolation. Sang looks just silly and weird on his own. With his hard to find diorama base where he is fighting Ka’Bandah it looks like a work of art. It is an absolutely exquisite miniature full of action and story.

[@simon3818]

Perturabo standing on top of a fallen knight is probably the coolest thing ever. I just want to put a single grot on top of that base

[@d-emprahexpects]

Perturabo has a truly badass model

[@zackcook5123]

That's an amazing idea

[@superjhamp2089]

I want to put a squig

[@luclin92]

Oh it's mostly because of this armour that I want a iron warriors army, because dam having Perturabo as a centerpiece model would just be awesome

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

Bashing the wreck with a wrench

[@phamdinhhoang1998]

the thing with primarchs, are they don't wear power armors, at least not the normal one. their armors are all master crafted, heavily modified to suit each of their own.

[@drip671]

Ok

[@Baronlepro1]

Ok

[@kieran40k89]

Ok

[@Grumbledookvid]

Ok

[@magearamil8626]

ok

[@Invisigoth05]

Not knowing anything about Alpharius (and Omegon) was probably more appropriate than Jay had thought

[@6dragondaddy913]

Just as planned. I am Alpharius.

[@emile1365]

Jay should've just opened an empty box.

[@wildchild0003]

This comment is exactly what I was thinking. It’s also appropriate that he didn’t name them as twins, he used both names like it’s his first and last name.

[@alpharius3045]

@@6dragondaddy913 no I am Alpharius

[@6dragondaddy913]

@@alpharius3045*nods* I am Alpharius

[@jonbonne]

The Leman Russ running pose is a similar situation to Sanguinis; There was a scenic base that both the Leman Russ and Magnus the Red Primarch models fit into to yield a Primarch battle diorama. Makes more sense when Russ is running about to dodge some psychic smite Magnus is ready to launch at him.

[@connormitchelmore8341]

Where can you see this? I’d like to check it out

[@demon1103]

Funny thing about what you said with them in combat. That's actually an issue a lot of the Primarchs have. They tend to be so adamant about being up front and center in battle, The idea of they are Warriors first and foremost. In "Galaxy in Flames" there's a moment where Horus is PISSED at Angron because instead of bombing the planet from orbit, Angron charges headfirst into his enemies, causing multiple unnecessary deaths and a massive delay. Hell, if they were more like you said, Ferrus Manus would probably still be alive XD. edit: OMG almost forgot...that's literally what led to the whole Heresy to begin with. Instead of Horus just sending someone to deal with a traitor, he's adamant on being The One to deal with it personally and almost dies.

[@cooljdl03]

You are totally right, literally all of Horus's commanders told him that it was unnecessary and that he should just wait on the ship but he was bored of just giving commands and pissed off at the traitor so he wanted to do it himself

[@BrontoDan]

Jay made the comment on Leman Russ of all primarchs I feel like he's one of them that will enjoy battle the most!!

[@demon1103]

@@cooljdl03 Yup, honestly reminded me of a moment from Game of Thrones "She didn't ask him not to compete...she Forbade him. Can you think of a better way to ensure he'd do it than telling him he's not allowed". No better way to get Horus to personally handle Temba than poking into his honor and ego. "He called you a lackey" *saying this in a room full of eyes on Horus*. Say what you will about Erebus, but he knew how to manipulate.

[@cooljdl03]

@@demon1103 Erebus is one of the best villans in 40k, personally responsible for corrupting Lorgar and Horus as well as starting the lodges which lay the seeds of sedition in several other legions. The guy got a lot done

[@1kizhun]

The fun question about horus was what the hell was he suppose to do after conquering the galaxy for his dad , what.. be a glorified rubber stamping imperial tax collector It would of drove him insane with no more wars to fight.

[@Remixersoloman]

Mortarion being so plain is pretty lore accurate, too. Him an his chapter were just stripped down once he came in basically, both their armor ornamentation and their tactics.

[@callanwilson3623]

pretty much the death guard were the legion on the front lines getting shit done and honestly not worried about showing off or being prideful, they looked down on the other legions for being flashy showoffs

[@Sinewmire]

@@callanwilson3623 masters of the humblebrag.

[@Alberto-hs9pi]

Sanguinius is falling down on Kabandas head, a Khorne Bloodthrister, it was an special base they made for him when he came out, otherwise the diorama is just a big olbase i think

[@joshgrillo2482]

I think they're taking a "stab" at the religious image Michael smiting the dragon.

[@jojomerou4075]

No, it's the whole daemon body and Sanguinius grab it's horn with the left hand. A shame it was limited edition base. I think it was like 200$ for the set.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

@@joshgrillo2482 More like Saint George stabbing the dragon... The pose is identical (besides George is riding a horse), and some depictions of him show his cloak folding like wings...

[@InvasiveWargaming]

It was a full demon, not a bloodthirster head, but yes- there is definitely a target for him

[@ShadowknightEX]

@@flaviomonteiro1414 which makes sense. While many of the Primarchs have vaguely religious aspects, Sanguinius is pretty much explicitly 40k Jesus.

[@MrMatthewPR]

With you on the favourites, but Gulliman is actually pretty perfect for his character. He's the by the book logistician heavily inspired by Roman design. His armour makes perfect sense for that aesthetic and really sells his nature. It's not exciting, but like Dorn, Gulliman is one of the reliable Primarks and the pose sells that well.

[@jc7997aj]

Guillimans super power is he is exceptionally average.

[@batteredwarrior]

*Primarchs Primark is a clothing store.

[@MrMatthewPR]

@@batteredwarrior Pedantry noted. Blame autocorrect :)

[@jc7997aj]

@@batteredwarrior what kind of clothing do they sell ? US or UK ?

[@jc7997aj]

@@MrMatthewPR he's a pedantrist.

[@dopeskone]

Part of some design issues have to do with these models are very tailored to people who are intimately familiar with models lore. The more scenic bases detailing specific moments in lore.

[@jjkrayenhagen]

It was simultaneously bugging the heck out of me and really impressing me that he knew so little about the characters, overlooking details and the reasons for those details, while at the same time picking out all kinds of detail and the inferences from that detail. Angron is a perfect example. He noticed the World Eaters symbol on Angron but not of the astartes to either side of him.

[@syncopaint_minis3016]

I completely disagree. I have no interest in lore and have never played the game. However i have collected all these models and love them. They look brilliant and are amazing to paint. They are beautiful aesthetically.

[@jjkrayenhagen]

@@syncopaint_minis3016 Disagree with what?

[@zetasansan]

@@jjkrayenhagen the idea of having to know to lore to like these models, he means. Which is untrue, I know jack about these dioramas and they all look sick anyways

[@annaleas2091]

leman is one of the few primarchs who SHOULD be in an action pose. The Wolf fights from the front line.

[@celvinjohn-hayes2878]

Fulgrim isnt in terminator armour. It's called the gilded panoply. It is a master work of power armour with a smaller reactor

[@alexnewton1999]

Kind of wish you had more info on each of the primarchs before you reviewed them, I feel like the models really lean heavily on the lore involved with each. But I digress

[@Spartan-P]

Agreed. I've never played a single game of 40k or worked on a mini but the poses to me make sense because I've deep dived heavily into the lore, especially the books.

[@trimeerious4349]

Hearing him say lorgar looks a little bit more religious than the others cause he has some runes scratched in hurt quite a bit 😂

[@kngpin41]

@@trimeerious4349 haha i felt the same

[@lt.branwulfram4794]

My take is that the Primarchs’ models should be indicative of who they really are as individuals rather than the statuesque portraits that the remembrancers sketch when they very clearly have never set eyes on them. GW did a really good job with them but as a Raven Guard player myself, I especially love Corax’s model since it captures all the rage and angst he has felt since the Drop Site Massacre or prabably even before that, since Horus was the one to order his very clearly stealthy marines to go into a frontal assault and get cut down in the process. Those two events together effectively cut the 19th Legion down to a quarter of what it had been, forcing them to adapt their strategy to night time raids on traitor supply line disruptions, guerilla warfare and assassinations. If Corax does return in 40k, I expect he’ll have an even more shadowy appearance, standing on top of a pile of dead Word Bearers, eyes glowing crimson and ready to pounce on all traitors and tyrants.

[@d-emprahexpects]

He'll return as a shadow demon 😉

[@philsayer2447]

You know he's pretty much a big black raven Daemon now? (Not Chaos-aligned at all though)

[@d-emprahexpects]

@@philsayer2447 I'd love to see the model. There's the wulfen already, which are the equivalent but in Space Wolves "too much time in the warp" style. Corax would be cool 😎

[@terminator572]

Isn't Corax literally a raven daemon now?

[@livingghost7975]

Sad thing is Sanguinius is only being half sold the base with the demon being rushed into really completes the pose it would be like dorn only having the flat top rock without the full base like only half the story is told…. Plus he looks better with the spear really gives you that Saint Michele Vibes.

[@EonsOfBattle]

just looked up the original base and you are right, it's WAY better. Such a shame

[@m22152]

Luckily you can buy the base for better quality and 1/3rd the price from recasters

[@Sinewmire]

@@m22152 tbh you can buy better Primarchs from 3rd party too.

[@MrJones31]

@@m22152 I can't find one. Do you have a link?

[@Doodlebob563]

1:51 Dark Angels, Lion El'Jonson 5:01 Uhh...? MOVING ON 5:14 The Emperor's Children, Fulgrim 8:16 The Iron Warriors, Perturabo 11:27 The White Scars, Khan 14:04 Space Wolves, Leman Russ 17:21 The Imperial Fists, Rogal Dorn 19:45 Night Lords, Konrad Curze 22:15 Blood Angels, Sanguinius 25:18 Iron Hands, Ferrus Manus 28:06 The best Primarch 28:29 World Eaters, Angron 30:12 Ultramarines, Roboute Guilliman 32:17 Death Guard. Morty 34:33 Thousand Sons, Magnus the Red 36:43 The Sons of Horus, Horus 39:17 Word Bearers, Lorgar 40:48 Salamanders, Vulkan 42:42 Raven Guard, Corvus Corax 45:44 Alpha Legion, Alpharius I do not know why I did this.

[@spaghettimkay5795]

You did this because you're a legend. Thank you.

[@AnnieAturday]

Bit of a long comment, sorry- Alpharius is currently the only one I own, and it really is a joy to paint every individual scale. The thing with alpharius though is that any one person in the army you're fighting against could be alpharius. Even his special rule has you pick a specific squad to add alpharius to as a model and if your opponent doesn't guess in time a random tactical marine is just going to come up and blender their entire forces because you didn't expect a primarch to be in there. His lore is also fun, in that Alpharius and Omegon are TWIN primarchs, and Omegon is the 'face' of the legion, taking on alpharius' name while alpharius gets stuck in and does things himself. Alpharius and Omegon are also shorter than the rest of their brothers, which helps them blend into their legion better. Also they have a bit of a dark angels thing with the heresy. Alpharius wanted to stay loyal, while Omegon wanted to side with horus because he was given a vision that if the emperor was to win the war exactly what happened leading up to 40k would have happened, whereas is horus one the war he would have gone mad with grief and snuffed out humanity, starving the chaos gods to be weakened forever. Alpharius didn't trust the vision and wanted to stay with the emperor, and the two fighting primarchs wound up with the Alpha Legion *siding* with horus, but basically sabatoging the traitor's plans with basically everything they did. Omegon was the one to die to dorn and it made alpharius grieve greatly, and he and his legion left the traitor's and disappeared only to "die" (no body recovered, no proof etc) to some ultramarines during a blizzard. He hasn't been heard of since, but in general his legion was opposed to chaos in the time of the heresy, and was siding with the traitors because it would 'lead to the destruction of chaos in the end' basically all alpha legion in current 40k are roaming warbands led by a traitor captain or a traitor chaos lord, and has nothing to do with any possible overall hierarchy within the alpha legion. They're a really cool faction in 30k and 40k and its so demoralizing that so many people only see them as memes. tl;dr: alpha legion cool.

[@EonsOfBattle]

that's super cool! I am looking forward to reading the series.

[@TheAngryMoth104]

@@EonsOfBattle Also everything he just said is a lie

[@nanomachines2985]

Serious question: If 20th Legion has twin primarchs, does that mean A) there are actually 21 primarchs? B) one of them is the 2nd or 11th? C) one of them is actually just a random marine, and it's all just part of Alpharius-or-Omegon's long-con power play?

[@AnnieAturday]

@@nanomachines2985 They share a soul split into two bodies.

[@nanomachines2985]

@@AnnieAturday ah, got it, thank you! I was always curious what the deal was with those two

[@krzysiekbazyl6702]

Space Marines should always be implied to have their weapons magnet locked to their armor like in the Night Lords Omnibus cuz holstering any of those chonky boxes seems like a waste.

[@oliverp3545]

Nope

[@krzysiekbazyl6702]

@@oliverp3545 nope to what?

[@oliverp3545]

@@krzysiekbazyl6702 being 1st

[@krzysiekbazyl6702]

@@oliverp3545 i made the 1st comment I believe

[@oliverp3545]

@@krzysiekbazyl6702 nope, there is another, called Chris.

[@juanrojas6063]

Idk why but I clicked this fully expecting Eons to have all the primarch models sitting right there in front of him

[@timotej121]

me too

[@cryothepunching-bag7917]

you know nothing of some primarchs like you said, Alpharius/omegon is small, and their space marines are taller than the average astartes, so all of them can go "We are legion" "I am alpharius". kinda cosplaying as their primarch

[@Narelon]

I like that you were able to deduce some details about characters you didn't know by looking at the models- in that regard, the sculptors must have done a good job!

[@JAHogshead]

“…it makes me think that he may be more…religious?” Had me burst out laughing.

[@lucasgamezz140]

*Laughs in Sindermann accidentally summoning warpspawn using the book of lorgar... before the heresy has even happened*

[@SWATDRUMMUH]

Apparently what you can do with the third and 10th legion primarchs is you could push the bases together to make it look like a cinematic fight scene

[@nickorr7345]

I feel like knowing the primarchs is the most important part of liking the model

[@williamings773]

A lot of Space Marine models lead me to believe that in the Grim Darkness of the far future, elite warriors do that tribal neck-stretching thing with the rings you would see in National Geographic.

[@rhyddavies1815]

I think your taking the armour type to literally. Just cause it doesn't have a power pack doesn't mean it's terminator plate.

[@tom_foolery3705]

For leman Russ it would be cool if someone gave him an executioner sword like the medieval ones with no point

[@emile1365]

Furries will never be cool.

[@captainvalourous6668]

@@emile1365 Magnus: ( Makes happy Nerd Noises ) 🤣

[@andresperedo1275]

@@emile1365 No, they WERE cool, but at some point they decided that Thor is better than Wolverine

[@zaksmith9212]

I was so surprised how little of the lore you knew but it goes to show how the hobby is there’s people like me which are very lore focused and paint focused and people like him who live to play and paint

[@tonycajefe]

Sanguinus is fighting Kabanda on that pose. Also Leman Russ vs Magnus Fulgrim vs Ferrus

[@TsundeReaper989]

Im a Raven Guard fan so I gotta throw this in, but older models of the Raven Guard jump packs used plasma engines to make them very powerful and nearly silent to help with their fighting style. That’s why Corvus has smaller engines on his pack.

[@yawgmoth55]

Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus are a 2 part scene where they are fighting and facing each other. Thats why Ferrus is looking up and Fulgrim is looking down

[@jwollheim]

One thing to remember with the primarchs is that they go into great detail in the dozens of novels written about these guys so they’ve got to make it similar to that since most people that buy these have read the books and are fans of 30k

[@fortheemperor8764]

Fulgrim's pose is one of the best, but his face is just awful.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Fun thing is that the handsome ones (Sanguinius and Fulgrim) have the worst faces of any Primarchs... I'd rather kitbash a Sigvald for Fulgrim and Yndrasta for Sanguinius

[@RSBurgener]

Not to contradict you, but in the novel, Fulgrim is feeling a combination of rage and extreme sorrow at the same time. He's killing his best friend at the behest of Slaanesh. It's an ugly expression for sure, but I think it's supposed to be.

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

I actually love it, even though if painted poorly it can look like a vacuum cleaner hose is blowing into his mouth- which makes it hilarious.

[@StoneColdSteel]

When it comes to the armors and whether or not Konrad could get up on the side of a building, let me remind you Logan Grimnar, a fairly old firstborn space wolf has the ability to run in terminator armor, if he can do that a primarch can do whatever they want in their given suits of armor

[@hypo7351]

I believe the reason why Vulcan looks like he’s swinging his hammer is he is prepared to fight whoever killed the Salamanders on the ground in front of him

[@potato_monke76]

One thing, curze wears specially fitted armor that has an extremely agile and skinny build that essentially makes it so although looking bulky is actually very light and lithe so it fits him

[@terratheterribl]

Very spot on with Lorgar. He was very religious and tried to worship the emperor, and when the emperor refused, he turned to worshipping the chaos gods instead. It basically set off the Horus Heresy.

[@Diceslice]

I have been listening to the Horus Heresy Audiobooks while painting, it's pretty awesome. Also if you read/listen to the books a lot of things that might not make sense at first about the minis are explained in their backstory. Like Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus just so happen to line up very well beside eachother for good reason. While far from perfect I think most of the primarch models are usually well thought out, which I didn't realize until I read some of the books.

[@demon1103]

Didn't know that about those two models. Finished Listening to "Fulgrim" a month ago, so those 2 poses are pretty great with the context. Also, yeah. Listening to HH while painting is a nice thing, it's also what I listen to while I do walks around my neighborhood. On "Legion" now...so only another 50 to go XD. Sad thing is the one I Really wanna read is "The Buried Dagger"...but that's book 54 :(

[@6dragondaddy913]

@@demon1103 there are absolutely some books you can skip, but some of them really line up the other ones. You really should read the "Horus Rising" arc (books 1-4), "Garro", "Nemesis", "Vengeful Spirit", "Scars" and "The Path of Heaven" before reading "Buried Dagger". There's also a couple short stories, and if you have the time the novels about the fall of the Thousand Sons because it's in the background of Mortarion and the Khan's rivalry and hatred.

[@demon1103]

@@6dragondaddy913 I've listened to books 1-6 so far. Part of me is hesitant to skip some though. I had debated skipping "Descent of Angels" but ended up enjoying it (in hindsight makes sense, I like medieval fantasies). But there are so many I want to listen to, part of me really want to take a short break from HH and listen to Brutal Kunnin and read Gloomspite (Orks my #1 40k army, and I love Gitz in AoS). Ahh choices XD. If I do decided to move about the HH collection though, I'll be sure to check those you mentioned first.

[@6dragondaddy913]

@@demon1103 there's a few Horus Heresy novels I'd actively suggest you skip, like "Battle for the the Abyss" and "Damnation of Pythos". Others you can skip if you're just not interested in the key legion. I was just promoting the ones that get you set up most directly for "Buried Dagger" (Which is one of the best, but I'm a Death Guard player so... bias).

[@gonzokules7794]

@@demon1103 you can fully skip the Ben counter abomination. It's horribly bad. I am reading it the second time right now after 10 (edit: actually it is 7 years, my bad) years and it's really a pain in the ass...

[@neilg6675]

I really like them all. I wasn't sure about angron when he came out, but he's probably my 2nd favourite now after magnus. They look far better in real life too, the pics don't do them justice. The lions pose is awesome

[@Tehquall]

Enjoyed the video! You nailed your description of perterabo but Russ probably is doing more fighting then you expected haha

[@Rokemikal]

the best pose for sanguinius would have been the cover art for The Lost and the Damned book, fucking epic.

[@frej7422]

is that the book where sanguinius is standing at eternity gate, or is it the one where he's holding his spear up?

[@philvalz]

"Terminator armour" or "regular power armour" doesn´t really apply to primarch armours, because they are all unique suits specifically made for them.

[@christiaanbronkhorst4614]

I’m sorry Jay, I really, really enjoy your channel, but your use of Greek and Roman art examples is bugging me. Dynamic “action shots” are found in their statuary all the time. For example, there are tons of statues of Zeus with him holding lightning bolts in hand, ready to smite a mortal. Otherwise carry on with the great content

[@6dragondaddy913]

The best part of Angron is he's killing his own legion in the model.

[@TheRemixGrave]

Makes sense in lore Angron *hated* being a Primarch he saw his "sons" as an inconvenience and is moreso mad as the Emperor for screwing him over

[@Sinewmire]

"Kharn, Angron is killing us again!" "Damn, must be tuesday."

[@dreademperor2094]

​@@Sinewmire he does this every Tuesday?

[@Sinewmire]

@@dreademperor2094 unless there's something good on TV.

[@dreademperor2094]

@Sinewmire so if that happens, we're safe, got it other than that we're pretty much good as dead

[@octaviusquentin3146]

How do you have that many models without knowing alot about the primarchs

[@Kingzombie940]

Jay: "I don't know much about the primarchs" *judges every aspect of each primarchs individuality*

[@lokenontherange]

This would probably be better if he had like a five minute talk to someone that knows anything about primarchs.

[@parishman33]

Very few of the Primarchs actually wear Terminator armour. Perturarbo and Horus and maybe Ferrus are the only ones I can think of. The others that you mentioned such as Fulgrim and Curze are in customised power armour.

[@ShadowknightEX]

I could actually see Terminator armor not working well with certain Primarchs Fighting styles. I imagine Fulgrim fighting like a Jedi, jumping all over the place, and Sanguinius obviously would probably have a hard time Flying in Terminator armor.

[@davidmaheux2474]

Actually perturabo, Horus and Vulkanare the only ones in terminator armour. Also their rules on the tabletop reflect that (only those 3 primarch gets a 3++)

[@Tomcat_Coyote]

The issue with Sanguinius' model is that it was designed with its scenic base in mind (that was limited edition) , more so than to work as a standalone miniature (what is pictured in the video) . And without the scenic base , the pose is missing crucial context because his hand is resting in the air and he's swooping down for no reason , where he should be resting on a beaten daemon , about to deliver the final blow . Also , the model looks better with the Spear of Telesto , giving him a more traditional angelic vibe as his pose mirrors that of the depictions of Saint Michael slaying the Devil/Dragon .

[@ellifahmerril6611]

To me, more badass for Dorn, would be that the marines keep charging at him, but they are of so little significance that he raises and lowers his chainsword with each would be combatant.

[@bubger]

I've never wanted to 'uhm ackthually' as much as I did during this video lol

[@stuartbeattie8781]

Jay's lack of knowledge shows through quite a lot in this video.

[@weilhaltdermachtige1701]

just a little info some of the Primarchs are meant to be set in a Duel with another Primarch(LemanRussVSMagnus, FerrusManusVSFulgrim) or have an alternative Diorama-base(Sanguinius) and their poses are trying to accomodate both these Dioramas and the singular Display-Figurine-schtick to their overall detriment

[@panagiotischaldaios9972]

Actually the fighting poses are normal. Many primarchs went personally to battle for many things. Exanple Konrad or Angron to slaughter the enemy head on themselves but many Primarchs engaged in combat to avoid casualties of their sons if things turned south.

[@magearamil8626]

Imagine if you are Primarch, how do you wage war on MANY Planets at the same time AND spend time running around with sword..... No chance it is way too unrealistic even in 40k universe

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

@@magearamil8626 I may be wrong but the impression I have from the HH books is that some Primarchs (expect Angrom and Curze) divide their forces. Each Company Captain is able to coordinate full planetary campaigns "alone" while the Primarch only fight were he is needed.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

@@magearamil8626 Also it's the 41st Millennium and Primarchs are incredible beings... For them is pretty easy to coordinate things from the field, while to a Guard Regimental Commander isn't...

[@larsdewit6521]

@@magearamil8626 there is a bit in the Primarch book of Leman Russ where he talks about how Guilliman and the Lion just speedrun through worlds at a ridiculous pace

[@magearamil8626]

@@larsdewit6521 yes but we can conclude that they spent at least 80% of time NOT on battlefield

[@jamescreed6259]

Leman russ is doing an action pose because of his duel with Magnus the red, and you can actually connect the models 15:08

[@josephrollins1318]

I think its hysterical that he admits he's never read any of the lore about the Primarchs and then proceeds to be an expert on the Primarchs!! How do not not know that Primarchs ALWAYS fought !!! ALWASY lead from the front! Also Primarch armor ISNT just fancy terminator plate! they are made specific to each Primarch...duuh!!

[@patricknavarro2184]

How has someone been modeling this long yet knows so little about the lore it's actually hilarious

[@musicalDrebin]

one thing i love about the Fulgrim and Ferris models is that they're kind of companion pieces and are posed in a way that you could put their models side by side and recreate their duel on Istvann V

[@sirbaconbuster]

Many of them _are_ posed that way. I know a separate base is sold to do that for Magnus and Russ, so there may be one for Fulgrim a d Ferris as well.

[@danscarfe7020]

Great video as always! The Curze base, isn’t pipes, it’s part of the ornate arch that he’s stood on. Lore wise, he definitely didn’t struggle moving around, much like Corax (well all of them really), as it’s custom armour etc.

[@mojotheaverage]

Little point about konrad's base, those aren't pipes, they're part of the architecture he's on like the fluting on a corinthian pillar

[@MrStatistx]

Yeah, I see it more as goldtrims than pipes

[@hydroglider4737]

yaaaay long vid, i know you can not do them too often they are allot of work so thank for the grate job :)

[@theburgerking1236]

I think the action pose kinda works for Leman Russ since his entire legion is all about getting in, and dealing damage but yeah I can relate to the sword thing. Maybe if he was sort of mounted on a war wolf with a just gigantic flat edge blade power sword, would really sell what he’s all about, his armor splattered with blood and maybe a few heads hanging from his belt as war trophies to really sell his outright savagery but also to sell his whole executioner vibe. It could also to help sell how imposing a primarch can really be. Man I wish I could draw cause that sounds like it would turn out to be an amazing piece with the soft glow of his power sword reflecting off of the blood on his armor, as he’s about to bring it down on the neck of the enemies of the emperor splattering some snow with fresh crimson.

[@OldClassTreky]

Saguinius pose by itself is really controversial, but there is a diorama in the warhammer store in Dortmund, where he's coming down on a demon and it's the most badass shit i've ever seen

[@DarkSoulsReject]

I think it's safe to say that Dorn would look better with a mustache

[@MrMatthewPR]

A Swanson...

[@fortu392]

“That is…not dumb”

[@ellifahmerril6611]

They are like the king, Chess piece. Stoic. I understand they are leaning into WHEN you use your primarch in the field, but I still think an epic, stoic pose would engage just as awesome as your tall, unassuming yet imposing, king.

[@spencersholden]

1:01 21, but who’s counting.

[@gavinboyer4634]

Jay; "I don't know much about Alpharius." Veteran Alpha legion players; *maniacal laughter.

[@MiaTsukiyoko]

I was hyped when they said next primarch is Sanguinius... Then I've seen the model and passed on buying it... And now I'm in love with my 3D printed alternative to it XD

[@demon1103]

Probably how I'll eventually feel with Vulkan. Probably gonna pick up the file next month, just looks soo good XD

[@MrStatistx]

@@demon1103 there's so many Vulkan choices, but not very many of the others. Third party Mortarian and angron are cool though

[@joelcraig9803]

I love how all of them are in the middle of combat, except for Alpharius. He's just executing a mofo.

[@deletedaccount3047]

"Is there an x man that can turn into metal?" I think you may be thinking of colossus!!

[@nathangerardy2669]

Also Forge had an arm and leg like that

[@Jauphrey]

Just want to say you're a fantastic presenter. Your demeanor, voice, cadence...you know when you see a video and you immediately crank up the playback speed or feel that minor annoyance at editing or little things? You're the opposite of that. I'm not super picky, it's just your presentation style is just about what I imagine as the perfect example of "mastering the basics." You have present everything I want and nothing I don't. If I were an English teacher, this would be that paper I wouldn't be able to find a flaw in. 10/10 please continue making videos about anything.

[@ForwardUntoDusk]

I really enjoyed this video. Little tidbit for you I believe all of the primarchs are hand sculpted by then same person.

[@Ethnarches]

Not quite, a few of them were done in CAD by another sculptor who no longer works at FW, Edgar who has a hard last name (something like Skoromowski). He did at least Perturabo and Lorgar and I think maybe one other. The rest are hand sculpts by that talented long time sculptor whose name I unfortunately can't recall now.

[@ParkerPG]

"I can't wait to meet HER?" Well that sounds like Heresy to me

[@KabinMiniatures]

Perturabo is probably my favourite Primarch miniature, while Crurze is my favourite concept/design.

[@ScratchBashing]

Say no to Primarchs! Say yes to *Prime Orks*

[@gregsmw]

alpharius/omegon and magnus are my two favorites both in the pose and the lore

[@BulkBrogan.]

I'm salty that Khan looks more like Jafar than an actual Mongolian person He either looks like jafar or a white guy with eye shadow on

[@Dreoni_]

Leman Russ pose only makes sense if you put him in the base with Magnus. Still don't like him tho

[@gangrenemccluster7680]

Took a shot every time Jay says "pleb". Goodbye world

[@EonsOfBattle]

pleb pleb pleb

[@standarddeviation7963]

At first I wondered why Fulgrim has no pack and the Khan has one, but then I remembered.... I heard the Khan does strange things to his powerpacks.

[@larsdewit6521]

I heard Fulgrim does strange things to his men

[@Lucifer.s.understudy]

If the Emperor had raised all of his sons and gotten to know them I guarantee none of them would've gone bad. Therefore Erda mother of the Primarchs kinda fucked them over in the long run.

[@bryanscott8528]

I have a Blood Angels legion force i've been collecting since 2014. When Sanguinius was release I was not jiving with it at all. Was considering doing a re-sculpt and having him in a more stoic commander-type pose. However, once I got him in hand I grew to like the pose much more (helped that I got the limited scenic base). I think the angle they chose on the FW webstore is just trash.

[@bloodravensterminator8594]

I have to say, with Gulliman him being so plain fits him IMO. Plus the ab armor is a call back to Roman Legatus/Emperor armors which is a cool little detail

[@johnmilik9909]

Whoa, whoa whoa back that up Jay. Russ was the lap dog of the big E he was sent to do the slapping of the legs. The Lion was the one with final sanction the one to truly end shit. That's why there's the big rivalry between the first legion (sorry chapter, don't mention the other foundings totally separate chapters honest) and Lemans boys.

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

"Everything wrong with the primarchs" The price GW expects you to pay for plastic. Hello 3d printing

[@Narcomancer1943]

“Doesn’t feel like an impressive, strong primarch.” Pretty much nailed Guilliman then.

[@gonzokules7794]

More like pretty much inaccurate.

[@nicholasspurr4349]

The 40k model for gulliman is fantastic

[@OlrikMeister]

Lorgar should have been preaching and Sanguinius should have been rising instead of decending.

[@siennaistrans]

the lion could've been fixed if the chainsword was held a little higher, like he was just about to swing, not *mid* swing that makes him look like he's about to politely request the space marines head fall off

[@Gunman0803]

Honestly really like sangs model, extremly reminiscent of that Fresca with Micheal stabbing Lucifer

[@Destinybro35]

They’re all in resin, that’s my major problem

[@davidmaheux2474]

Hi mate, I have to agree on a lot of what you said. However, Vulcan, Horus, Perturabo are in terminator armour the rest are in mastercrafted artificer armor. Usually I really love your video I’m kinda sad because you missed a lot of the information on each primarch, like Horus talon wich is a power claw not a power fist. Also Konrad Cruze is a jump infantry model that is why he is like that. And also you spotted the problem with the Khan without addressing it: his face Jagathai Khan is supposed to be Asian and he does NOT look Asian. I would have loved if you would have done more research on the lore of each primarch before talking about them. Like about Ferrus, his arm are not turning into metal it’s because he plunge some silver serpent under lava to kill it and the molten silver was mixtes with his flesh. Also I don’t know if you know this but Perturabo hammer is in fact the hammer of ferrus manus :forgebreaker (forged by fulgrim) perturabo got it after ferrus death. Then there is sanguinius and ooo boy I think you missed judged him. In Christianity there is the arch angel Michael who is the angel fighting deamons. And Lotssssss of paintings show him exactly in sanguinius position striking a deamon underneath him. By your standards you should like him he is the exact despiction of an angel in icons. Also The lion is using a « close right guard » wich is a position in sword fighting. He his about to do a strike from His guarded position. Has much as I love the Lion miniatures I sadly have to agree with you on the base he should be centered

[@03dashk64]

This was a really cool vid. Follow up video idea: read up on all of the primarch lore then rereview them with their lore/history/equipment in mind! I’d be interested to hear your thoughts after you learn all about them! All of the details on the models will make so much more sense

[@03dashk64]

Also the models aren’t just display pieces! They have rules and are totally useable in 30k

[@SvartElric9]

Oh yeah, Magnus looks dope!

[@false0-078]

I love the Horus model, looking forward to painting my own, I’ve always had one gripe with it though, his whole body is point up and is directed to where the hammer is pointing, YET HIS HEAD IS FACING THE WRONG DIRECTION 😂

[@chris8800]

Personally pertrabo, vulkan and angron are my favourite primarch model

[@battlebrotherstabletop]

Good stuff! The long form was nice, I stretched it out over a few days at work 😂

[@marpila1930]

read the book's or just read " Fulgrim"

[@Kid_illithid]

Next video. “How to paint your minis with grandpas ice chipper”

[@EonsOfBattle]

GRANDMAs ice chipper actually

[@calumchamberlain2861]

I'm a Big Fan of Vulkan's Model , he Definitely got some Heipthus vibes in his design :).

[@Space__Wizard]

My only issue with it is that the hammer should be SIGNIFICANTLY larger in my opinion

[@ASingleSpaghetti]

They covered up Alpharius's face so GW could sell you a regular space marine for the price of a primarch. The most Alpha Legion tactic there is. I am Alpharius.