Bringing Retro 40k Back in a Primaris World

[@charlesman8722]

“I was there when the Emperor fought Horus.” “That’s nice Grandacus, let us get you back to your cyrocontainer

[@KertaDrake]

"But sir, you keep changing the guy who stood up to Horus in your stories!"

[@samsowden]

Gerroff my lawn, damn neophytes!

[@pwcca9]

You're the first guy I see who looks like he's really enjoying what he's doing. Like it's really a hobby, not a full time job. Great that there is someone out there who's gonna remind us why we're doing it:)

[@frannyfranfrancis]

You see it too! His face shows his love for the hobby when ever he talks about a mini or just looks at them! Plus he's never negative even when talking about some aspect of the hobby that he doesnt like.

[@chanlennox8133]

Goobertown hobbies and Miscast both get giddy about stuff too.

[@lt.branwulfram4794]

If you love your job, you’ll never work a single day in your life.

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

Back in the day you were intended to make the banners out of paper and attach them to the poles yourself in case you were wondering why it wasn't sculpted. White dwarf and the codices would also sometimes include pages for players to either cut out for banners or photocopy and paint over/colour in for this purpose. The technology probably wasn't up to that complex of a shape and the average player of the game was expected to be much younger back in the 80s so the idea of freehand painting the banner onto an uneven surface was probably a bit advanced for most people to attempt.

[@Anubarak313]

ive seen some more durable made out of glue hardened paper towel or cloth. or even more detailed, you can full sculpt yourself. ive even seen an old soda can cut down used. but yeah the old banner poles were meant for you to kinda go wild with however you wanted to make a banner.

[@m0nkeychemicals]

back in the 80s toothpaste tubes were made from thin metal, and this was the best material for banners, they could be easily cut to shape, painted and then crinkled realistically and would hold the shapes

[@StumpedIDIT]

“You know I think the perfect bit has been staring me in the face the whole time” * Jay jumps through the screen and rips off your head to use as his banner topper*

[@SavageGerbil]

You know, I think I'd unsubscribe for that

[@giorgiofenu5563]

"the trick is always cut towards yourself" Thought this was Midwinter minis for a sec

[@emile1365]

Shame he got so arrogant...

[@moa9188]

@@emile1365 wdym?

[@emile1365]

@@moa9188 I mean exactly what I said, compare his early videos to his latest.

[@moa9188]

@@emile1365 so your saying that he thinks he's 🔥 💩

[@magaz]

I learned the hard way once that doing that leads to someone in a hospital supergluing your thumb back together…

[@ceowulf69]

Back in the days a "simple head swap" was not so simple ..

[@Alptraumkrieger811]

I miss this days

[@johnstrange1699]

Age of sigmar gloomspite gits grots have they're heads atatched to the torso straight from sprue

[@ceowulf69]

Imagine then in the 90s , that model in metal ...

[@jeanpierdavidvegachoque6947]

The crak platicle is over

[@andromidius]

Yeah, even if you had a saw some of the models had no necks to speak of. And the proportions always varied wildly.

[@Peng-444]

Fantastic! I grew up with this era of minis and although I fully admit the modern plastic stuff is objectively better than the old stuff, I love the old metal sculpts because they all had the personality of their sculptors in them. You could pick up a model and tell who sculpted it!

[@latotheleaf2223]

Its so weird to hear a non UK guy talking about Warhammer, being someone who was around in 86! Great job dude!

[@dderajj2166]

Yeah weird, a lot of American KZbinrs popped up relatively recently. It's bigger here now in America. Definitely because of the video games though

[@Embusque]

@@dderajj2166 In '86 my friends, brothers, and myself would play for 3-5 days straight. That was in California, 40K and GW were not exclusive to just the UK. In one of my boxes I still have my first edition Rouge Trader and original Warhammer fantasy models. Definitely not because of video games since home pc's were still being created, refined, and not so gamer friendly during that time.

[@XiongGou]

​@@EmbusqueI think it's always been a niche hobby, especially here in America. However, I think the rise of KZbin and other social media apps it gives more attention to these really cool hobbies. Also, it's kind of a sharp learning curve to get into 40K, nevermind the money as well. I've always wanted to get into it but due to reasons above never did. I just have to settle for proxy through avenues like this one.

[@XiongGou]

​@@Embusquealso I became interested because of things like Hero Quest and Battle Masters.

[@moonstryder1740]

Warhammer has been a massive thing even here in S. Africa for many many years idk how you'd think it wasnt huge in America

[@fourfourths8445]

Look as someone that got their first gw model in 1990, not knowing what the minatures were from. Then in 96 walking into a gw store and finding out there was a game and walls of minatures in blisters waiting for adventures. I walked out that day with 1000 points of metal nids. In this video you have achieved everything required to talk on old hammer hobby. So from hobbyists that started during in the transition from metal to plastic, ya earned your stripes. In fact you did more and better than most people were doing with kitbashing/conversions. Although the one minor thing you generally want a gloss coat of varnish, then a matte coat on metal minis, it helps with chipping.

[@thesampsonite]

Rocked it! He came out great! Good skills! Though i most fainted when you clipped off the Crozius!

[@orestmikulin235]

I was shouting “no no no” during that part! 😂

[@spaceyeti5063]

I felt similar when the bits box came out - the perfect banner topper was already on the desk! Luckily he figured it out. Great model.

[@gangrenemccluster7680]

This dude knows how to make bases.

[@Victimxofxprogress]

He's been making basing tutorials for like 8 years. He better be

[@npc6817]

Based

[@lazerhosen]

@@npc6817 I wish everybody's eyeballs could *flock* to your most profound of comments. ...something, something, *sand,* something... *rim* something, something, *paint it black* (etc)

[@joebloker8585]

Here here

[@Slenkamure]

my favorite moment in this video was the most real thing ever. 25:53 wiping the glue on the bottom of the table. Admit it we have all done it

[@smelvinhamilton9792]

One off the most enjoyable painting videos I've seen in a long time! Everything is so quality! The video and editing make it a joy to watch, and ofc that paint job is gorgeous! Well done my guy, I'm so impressed!

[@DustyTheKitty]

I feel yah on the RT era painting minis, especially ones on their original packaging, its like breaking the seal on a collectable, also comes with this feeling of wanting to do the old thing justice but without taking away what made it of that time. S'why I usually look for loose minis (Also helps they are much cheaper too), anything in a blister feels like it belongs in a museum!

[@KertaDrake]

At least the classic Warhammer packaging is starting to make it easy due to age... A few more years and the plastic will crumble to dust on the slightest touch.

[@lazerhosen]

Funny thoughts about miniatures still in blister vs. action figures... if a good paintjob miniature can triple (or more) the value of it... wouldn't it be more valuable to paint an OOP miniature? I'm not really up on my "value of collectibles as it relates to the 40k hobby", but it seems like there is more value in a painted one.

[@DustyTheKitty]

@@lazerhosen I'd agree with you, though I think it would have to be to a ''display'' or higher standard to be considered more valuable, otherwise it can lower the value due to needing to have said mini stripped. Granted that's probably the case with any miniature but something OOP... I dunno It just has this need to be properly done? It's hard for me to really put into words.

[@josephaulisio9281]

Get lost you money lender.

[@frannyfranfrancis]

I would love to watch you and GooberTown nerd out about the hobby! The two off you seem to light up when talking about the hobby and it seems so genuine! Im motivated to paint now, Thanks!

[@SamuelHolt1980]

Really loving your videos. What makes them is your genuine nerdy delight and gusto (plus honesty about everything you are doing). Checking your patreon out!

[@monketo00]

That banner pole and greenstuff flag are pretty spectacular

[@Rid117]

This is such a fun watch! Your joy in hobbying shines through, and the resulting mini is *awesome*.

[@CharlesMarlow1898]

I really enjoy the Rogue Trader era. I'm working on a RT project currently using oringinal RT plastic Space Marines from RTB01 and a few metal Space Marines Mk III & IV as well as some fan sculpt RT stuff and a couple of original Rhinos. A terrific video. I really liked your banner work. You have skill.

[@D00M3R-SK8]

I always just cut 3 sides of the bottom section of the plastic, then slide the bits out. That way it still looks like the blister is intact. I started doing this with things so I can always put the contents back in if I want to, and display it that way. You have the best of both worlds.

[@ChampstylesTLT]

I legit think this is one of my fav videos you’ve done -this is the one I watch the most when it comes time to watch the EOB reruns 👌

[@adrianreyno1]

Being an old metal model, you did amazing work on that piece. I have an old Black Templar in Terminator armor.

[@EricsHobbyWorkshop]

Keeping the card backing is a nice trick to mitigate the fear of opening an old blister for that nagging collector voice inside. Great video!

[@EonsOfBattle]

I have this thought of one day getting a pegboard and hanging them up like they would be in a store.

[@TehJumpingJawa]

Great job bringing a more modern look to an ancient model, without ruining its original character.

[@noeyedeer3202]

You my Sir are a dope craftsman, your passion for the hobby is infectuous!

[@FiveStringC]

Love these old model builds so cool to see where it all started and what people do to get these things looking table ready

[@TheSixthWorld]

I had an entire squad of old school space marines on jetbikes...makes me want to find them...

[@joshy7759]

Dude, literally liked and subbed just for the wax pencil tip. My entire world has been improved.

[@Kohlenstofffasermonster]

Very nice video, was not sure on the dust cloud first, but then you made it look quite good!

[@dirtybirdsf]

Awesome work! The flag conversion and base do that old model proud.

[@elneutrino90]

A super cool idea would be to stick a photo of the finished painted model in the blister card it would add work but the collection would be much more visual and "complete"

[@OGTalon]

A bunched up flag/banner tip that helped me, print/sketch the design on paper then bunch it in the same way as the flag/banner and you can see where the design will deform and copy that across 🤘

[@DorkaTor]

Yaaay! thumbs up for retro hammer every time.

[@gregfougere7447]

Awesome job! That banner is great! I'll keep that idea for my Rogue trader marine veterans...

[@imperialus1]

Metal models certainly were my walking to school uphill both ways story from when I first started playing Warhammer in the early 90's. The fact that I played Imperial Guard is the equivalent of it snowing in June.

[@lazerhosen]

You had a very heavy figure case.

[@scarecrow2097]

This is such a nicer blister than the boring blank card with citadel on top. I would collect those too.

[@johnashley-smith4987]

Nice work Man! Those old models are a lot of fun. Sure, they're more work than plastic, to bring them up to today's standard, but still rewarding when complete. I'm currently trying to plow through a bunch of 2nd and 3rd edition metal and hybrid models, because , after all, I bought them because I liked them and wanted to paint them,it's just taken me 25 years to get to them! I look forward to seeing you do more retrohammer stuff in the future, if only to keep me motivated, working away on my collection of relics, from the " before times" Thanks again, and keep up the great work. As a tip, you can actually use green stuff as an adhesive. A little super glue, at the point of contact helps too, with the putty, not peeling away from the metal.

[@coa2222]

Best video, your calm manner is owesome, please do more like this and longer.

[@OmegaLittleBob]

Awesome!!! I love seeing old models given new life.

[@brokenheroics8223]

This was a fun video and brings me back to the good ole days of 40K minis.

[@euansmith3699]

The paint job is really impressive; and the effect on the base turned out more effective than I expected.

[@PreceptorGrant]

I started high school in '86, and started on 40k not all that many years later. I have that same jetbike, but with a techmarine rider instead of a chaplain. That and my Furibundus dreadnaught from the same era are the rarest treasures in my collection.

[@breadpirateoverhere]

I love this idea. I love using retro models to symbolize special or veteran units.

[@EonsOfBattle]

YES! and all it takes is a rebase and a little ingenuity

[@breadpirateoverhere]

@@EonsOfBattle I use some of the 3rd edition Dark Eldar as my trueborn. Would make sense visually that these ancient soldiers would have pure Dark Eldar blood.

[@lazerhosen]

@@EonsOfBattle Thanks for using a tack to plug your tacky glue. The only appropriately named thing to do so. Great job on breathing life back into an older model!

[@gwenlliandavies7348]

I recently bought a whole bunch of old Citadel metal models to recapture my childhood. I gotta say there's something different about the old models. Firstly they literally have weight, but secondly I just think they are far more charming! Painting old metal with the newer paints and techniques really makes them shine

[@dgh06071995]

Pretty cool man. I remember painting these in the late 80s early 90s. Good job

[@doctordoubledakka3939]

props on the banner man. Great sculpting work

[@getterkaiserz]

I love metal minis. It has a satisfying heft. I like plastic too though. The dust and rocks kicking up came out great. Rad job

[@richamaru5217]

Being binge watching your videos. Thankyou for helping me get into this hobby and showing what I need and all the little tricks and tips you have! Subbed 👍

[@SimonJohnOwen]

I got my first Citadel Miniatures in 1982 - Fantasy Tribe Dwarves! The only model figures I had seen before that had been 1:72 scale Airfix so these were amazing.

[@apinakapinastorba]

Hehe, now I imagine this chaplain jetting over the battle lines and shouting ”… FOR THE EMPER …” and disappearing in the distance XD

[@ross_sco]

Looks great and all the funky base and banner stuff does call back to those diy creations in the old codexes. Makes me want to go get my old favorite metal model Ghazghkull. £100 on ebay! sold my whole ork army for that a few years ago!

[@Thefrozenarrow]

That green stuff trick for the banner waa really cool. Looked awesome!

[@CaptainCheddar806]

It was a cool trick with the banner for sure! If you ever do it again try making a 2d stencil if the design on thin paper and fold it on the 3d banner to give a clearer idea of how to paint it maybe? Keep the awesome vids coming :)!!thank you

[@Andaril2]

1:59 I got 2 drawers in desk of those and 3-4 boxes of those in attic so totaly understandable hava a nice day.

[@graefx]

Definitely did it justice. Looks fantastic

[@petermartin9224]

You made that look too easy Jay! Fantastic stuff. I did wonder if you were going to let the crozier head just go to waste 😉 got to admit, seeing the 2nd edition WH40k logo in the thumbnail sent a shiver down my spine.

[@aristin62]

Love it. You're right, these old metal models are janky as anything, but, you know. They're relics.

[@D00M3R-SK8]

Those wood chips are amazing for making rocks. I keep meaning to buy some myself. thanks for reminding me.

[@silverninja1001]

If you want to keep the stuffing in place you use a 1:1 mix of pva glue and water then put it in a spray bottle.

[@hauserhound]

You killed it on that green stuff banner kit-bash. Truly impressed!

[@stuartjenkins3039]

That banner pole? That was so you could either cut it down to use as a back-banner, or use it as a full banner by cutting to fit the first of an RTB01 marine. Or you could use it as an objective marker.

[@aldinaneves]

I love this channel. It has become my fav :) keep it up guys 🤟🏼

[@Number767]

Wonderful work! Nice to see a old mini getting some love.

[@angrybonk5238]

EoB: sees a old card back EoB:It will make a fine addition to my collection

[@KameSennin4209]

I never thought about sketching concept-art for kit-bashing, that is genius. I will be stealing that Idea.

[@leeperry7068]

Banner turned out reeeeally great. Awesome work. Cotton for smoke is always rough, I wish there was another option that was more... I dunno... smooth? Less notably obvious "threads" in them?

[@terrancenolan6832]

Back in the day, we made our own banners for those flag poles.

[@Mogura85]

im not painting warhammer anymore, but this guide is nice and gave me some ideas for my gundam kits

[@punishedtech7505]

wonderful stuff, don't think I could bring myself do any conversion work on a model more than 10 years old, especially anything out of print. Great job on the banner!

[@herculeholmes504]

Modern miniatures are _so_ much better, but I often feel like there is something missing, especially with GW models. Part of it is nostalgia of course, I have fond memories of my first time discovering the world of Citadel and Grenadier miniatures in the 1980's, but it's not just that, and it took me a long time to figure out what: It's that modern minis are so good, so detailed, that no matter how you paint them they all look basically the same; the model is more distinctive that anything it's owner can put into it; if you want a GW Greater Demon of Tzeentch, the modern kit looks fantastic, a million miles from the original 1980's metal mini, but no matter how you paint it, even if you do some kit-bashing, it still looks like it belongs to Games Workshop, not you.

[@philhelm1318]

There was more creativity and variety back then, especially since the designs weren't so tied to IP (which is why, as you say, the new miniatures always look like they belong to GW). Also, with metal models the sculpts and poses can often times be unique, unlike plastic kits. One thing that I really miss is the Space Orks. The old Orks looked like they belonged in space, and many had full suits of armor; the new Orks look like they are from a Mad Max movie (especially the bare-chested nob from the new Ork kit).

[@doncoyote68]

A lot of the modern models are poor. Yeah the technique is better but the composition is sub par. Uninspired design choices, overly detailed, bad silhouettes, shallow grasp on themes. Not everything is about pure technical skill.

[@josephaulisio9281]

“So” much better…? IDK… my opinion is that current plasticrap is soulless, devoid of character. You knew a Kev Adams goblin as soon as you saw it, same with Bob Olley, Naismith, Jess Goodwin, or any number of artists.

[@herculeholmes504]

@@josephaulisio9281 I think digital sculpting has introduced a new problem to miniatures and figurines in that digital sculptors often take shortcuts: Faces are mirrored, making them perfectly symmetrical, but _too_ symmetrical. Hands are often not properly finished; arms are added from a library of bolt-on parts and the sculptor doesn't bother to re-pose the fingers or rotate the wrist, which makes the figure look like a doll. There are two-dozen other gripes I've got about digital sculpting. But, vehicles are much better than they used to be, and 3D printed figurines are dirt cheap. I just want to see more old-school sculpting talent brought to bear on the digital medium.

[@catcadev]

I'm gonna disagree here! I put a little bit of extra work into my minis (and a few bits and bashes) and they come out looking very distinctly mine. It's all down to how you use the model! I added some purity seals (they said pluribus) to my captain and wham! He looks so unique even next to the same model.

[@BullScrapPracEff]

Interesting take. Good sculpting advice. Nice retro paint job.

[@grantpark9093]

Nice build! RT stuff can be a real time sink to only end up frustrated or with minis that can look a bit off. (Read as : "Turd Polishing") I think your addition of the banner helps the model a lot! I wasn't sold on the exhaust cloud until you added the kitty litter *wow* I want to try that now, thanks again!

[@stephenjdutton]

Excellent work but I almost cried when you cut down the crosius. I just put together an entire army of Dark Angels using only Rogue Trader vintage models. Officers, apothecary, chaplain and librarians for my command section. Tactical, assault and devastator squads for my line troops. Terminators, relic terminators and scouts for elite troops and vehicle support from rhinos, a dreadnought, predator, land raider, bikes, landspeeder and the whirlwind from the White Dwarf modelling workshop article. What I thought would be a ten minute video talking about them turned into half an hour remembering how you used to be able to get thirty marines in Rhinos for £20.

[@SilentSooYun]

If only it was this easy to convert metal Terminators. Old Space Hulk Terminators are what got me into 40k, now they look half-scale compared to modern plastic. I still love putting back-banners on my squad leaders, though... I kinda miss the pageantry and vibrant colours of old-school 40k

[@peterjones4763]

Maybe your best video yet! Well done lads!

[@B_Cojones]

Was dubious about the dust thing...but yeah that model rocks it, brings out the 80's of it if that makes sense.

[@gideonventura1745]

Oh boy good to know I'm not the only one thinking this with my rouge traderminis

[@awesome_claw]

Looking good! (I hate painting bone colours. I gave up halfway through painting a desert themed army because I got so tired of painting 100 layers of beige, shading, then needing another 100 layers of beige to tidy up.)

[@dekai7992]

Dude, it's so much fun witnessing how much fun you're having!

[@mitch5387]

First time on the channel and.....I....was....GLUED to my phone watching this!!!!!

[@BirneGilmore]

I would be afraid to touch that thing ingame, but wow, well done build and paintjob! ^^

[@maxbrandt6]

Really cool to see some Oldhammer love, those early 40k models were kinda crude compared to what was to come and it's always nice to look back at where the hobby began. I have some Rogue Trader era Eldar figures I'd like to show here off one day, GW really has come quite far!

[@herculeholmes504]

I've got three of those old jet-bikes, I'm tempted to do a conversion job on one now. I still love some of the early Eldar minis, especially the original Eldar Guardians before they were even called Guardians. I guess Eldar were never as popular as other armies in gaming but they were my favourite. Right now I'm trying to put together an original War Walker (my single favourite RT-era Eldar model) and a Dreadnought; pinning the limbs is almost impossible but I figured out a way to do it. I wish they'd been better designed.

[@bretts2356]

I just started the video. Did Jay die trying? Is this actually a snuff film? The suspense is killing me!

[@bretts2356]

TLDW: Jay did not die. So ... yay?

[@mayomonkey420]

This is extremely online

[@jherazob]

Maybe he's undead now, we have no way to know

[@Nemoknowsnothing]

thanks to you I decided to switch to transparent acrylic bases but guess what: I paint the rim black

[@gunslinger1911a1]

All I can say is I got a little light headed when you clipped that Crozius. That's almost a "It belongs in a museum!" moment.

[@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen]

That green stuff banner *SLAPS*!

[@spidey0804]

yeah.... 86 cast im about 90% sure that is a lead model...might want to keep those gloves on. Gotta love rouge trader models.

[@Bananananamann]

Beautiful outcome, very well done.

[@lemsdarkapprentice2535]

for the beads/rivets, you can also use the balls from water filters; you get thousands + they're a good size for 28/32mm mini's [el'sda2].

[@范丞剛]

22:22 the two thin coat god appears

[@robertjenkins2612]

the banner pole is for the back of the bike

[@bday3775]

I love the old rocket cycles!! So much so that I made a resin cast and all of my Iron Warriors bikers ride em, with ape hanger handlebars of course. 😁

[@D00M3R-SK8]

if you mix some talc and water, and rub this on your green stuff, it changes the properties of it and makes it none sticky. It's perfect to work with, but it won't adhere to anything any more. I used this technique when using it to create the necron ruins on my admech bases (with a necron texture roller from green stuff world) you make it none sticky with the talc for when you roll it out, otherwise it will just get stuck to your roller and you'd never be able to peel it back off again.

[@supdon3460]

Hahaha "Angle of the dangle" killed me.

[@visiblur]

That model is 12 years older than me. Pretty amazing to think that people was doing this years before my parents even met and I'm doing the same stuff with the same glee today.

[@paulhumphries7246]

What's with the random dude's head for a frame or two at the 22:21 mark?

[@UnkaStunka]

Im using a lot f oop models, primerly for 2 edition 40k though. It has been a fresh wind to play 2 ed, so many cool rules, the game feels much more concrete and often makes more sense compered to the more abstract rules 9 edition. Also it got some of that skirmish feel to it, I feel more involved with each model and it got some strong roleplay vibes. 2 ed creatas a narrative that I rarely experince with todays modern rule set. However for cut throat competitive gaming I do belive that 9 ed is better, but when I am playing with my competitive group it's more about winning. And winning is fun and all but when you play each turn just cause it tells a awesome story I have even more fun. I find that even if I try to make a narrative game with 9 ed it just is not as fun as 2 ed. Sorry for going a bit out of topic, but seeing that glorious old Chaplain I could not hold back. Cheers!

[@lazerhosen]

Personally wondering if there is anyone/a group out there that designs 2nd edition rules for newer 40k models and armies? Could probably google it... there are just so many flavorful and fluffy things in later editions that could be fun in 2nd ed.

[@davidetosi2391]

The turboframe a la Fight Club for the "two thin coats" was nasty. 10/10

[@E40kGeek_Tactical]

Man this mini did not age well but damn did Jay do a great job painting it!

[@nathancantwell602]

You say you question why you keep those old blister card backs? It is because, you Sir, have very fine taste.

[@whylie74]

When that mini' was new we made banners and flags out of the lead foil off of wine bottles or the metal foil used for toothpast tubes and the like.