Everything You Need To Know About The NEW* Base Defences In Generation Zero

[@KilroyPlays]

In typical Kilroy fashion, i have forgotten to take into account the drop rates are different depending what your world difficulty is, so the numbers i gave to you in this video will be for Guerrilla players. if your on a lower difficulty you will receive less than what i mentioned so please keep this in mind everyone! cheers 🤣🤣

[@Kalano]

I did 100 tungsten on easy / adventure and was kinda late getting to the exhaust and I got 8 refined, 1 slag and about 20 unrefined tungsten (I think , I don't recall the exact amount but there _was_ unrefined tungsten left over) out of the furnace on completion. Might need more testing! lol

[@Comores1981]

Thank you man, but after seeing this ive deleted my bases and just stick to basics, they did turn into unfun mechanic. Thx man, this saves hours of game time i would have waisted and just enjoy the game the way i always have.

[@KilroyPlays]

cant really do anything without these new crafting mechanics though so i mean good luck to you sir but i think your being silly

[@cruzmadrid6611]

To help with the furnace, you can vent it every 30 seconds from the last time it was vented. It’s inconvenient to keep an eye on the time but that might help if you can’t hear it for whatever reason.

[@KilroyPlays]

haha I'm just imaging someone running around on hard mode getting smashed by machines counting "1, 2, 3, 4, 5" 🤣🤣

[@kraigisboss]

Will you be planning on making a video about which control points make resources [like which ones make Phosphorus for example] and which are best to farm from?

[@KilroyPlays]

I can do if that’s something you’d be interested in? I can tell you straight up that the revinen control point above and to the right of the farmlands bunker is the best spot for the drill 🔥 only have to defend from one side so you can focus all your defence in a straight line and it’s a turkey shoot for the sniper towers

[@Moo_Chainzz]

I'm not 100% sure but if you hover over a non claimed or a base assualt control point it should say up in the top right what resource it gives.

[@Kalano]

@@KilroyPlays Best as in easiest to defend, perhaps. I think Tyloveden on top of the big mountain in the forest is the best spot for a drill. It was the original location for the initial base defense if I recall correctly - at least I think that's why it has so many resources lying all over that respawn - I know of 3 tungsten, 2 copper and a handful of steel, wood and textiles lying around. Also it's so isolated that you won't get the endless spawns after each mission. You do have to defend from all 4 sides but there's plenty of good choke points available.

[@Kalano]

Spot on evaluation of the furnace. Thanks for this video and here's hoping the incoming patch significantly fixes this. I unfortunately did one tungsten run on easy to try it out and cried afterwards - on success - like WTF? So not right. This game is the only one that I've had save issues - I had my progress reset twice due to my save being overwritten with one from like 6 years ago (thanks, Steam cloud) so the next-level grind is super depressing for me.

[@KilroyPlays]

haha my first run was an easy mode with uranium not understanding how it worked and i feel your pain sir! other than the furnace though i don't see it as super grindy, if i started a new playthrough i could just spend an hour each day or something farming BD's and then go back to my main missions or something i personally think its way better this way

[@Kalano]

@@KilroyPlays Well it is the furnace that's the biggest issue for sure. But take stealth armor for companion - sounds like it might be cool but it takes ethanol in amounts high enough to mean multiple defense missions per armor - the repair kit costs almost nothing - literally requires the most common resources in the game and only a handful at that - why would I ever use armor on my companion when he gets plenty of fight in without it before requiring a cheap af repair. Med kits use phosphorous? Why would I ever craft them now? So many things like this because it's super grindy to gather the required resources - or at least grindy enough to not be worth it.

[@kingofpecs]

having just bought the game and dlc while it was on steam super sale i can't say i agree more with your video (i do still really enjoy the game). I was so confused having just got in after a giant update like this, it felt so unintuitive i had no idea i needed exactly 100 since i didn't have that much. of course i might just be stupid in the ui but now im glad i missed out on doing the furnace defence.

[@KilroyPlays]

please dont give up on the game because it's so much fun! just give it till January and see if they fix the furnace drop rates because the new BD integration with the game is an awesome feature! it adds so much to your playthrough now :)

[@Kalano]

If you decide to start a new playthrough: Consider deactivating DLC's and play the base game before adding the expansions, then add those one at a time in order and play them through - I remember the world terrain being significantly altered with each expansion. I think it's possible to still experience those terrain changes with the story progression if you do. Something I've been wanting to play with myself but haven't gotten to it yet.

[@dubbayabird6680]

Wait you can deactivate them? I love my WAD but I don't need a thousand of them. Still don't have so many 5 crowns in base game weapons.

[@Kalano]

@@dubbayabird6680 Yeah I did this recently - deactivated the us and soviet weapon packs - I only used the s21 (convenient to have a long range stealth sniper that uses the same ammo as my main ai-76) and I've never looked back - the loot pool is much better without 100 AT-WAD and COM-10, lol I read elsewhere that if you deactivate weapon dlc they dissappear from your inventory but will return if you reactivate the dlc - unfortunately they said they lost all augments when testing this though.

[@MrCypherdiaz]

Id love to see a vid on best bases for each structure as you only need 3 bases now. All older best base locations vids are rather less than useful now cause of the machinery factor. Thanks!

[@KilroyPlays]

heck yeah i gotchu covered! i have been testing out a few locations so gimme some time and i'll make a video on the best

[@MrCypherdiaz]

@KilroyPlays sweet. I don't know how many of each type of base spot there are but it's be handy to not just have like "yep this is the best for X' but the why behind it cause learning make brain grow big lol

[@kokichikuncookie4764]

Happy I had the augments on Xbox nearly maxed out, also the minigun with fast reload from killing the reaper just feels nice

[@KilroyPlays]

the minigun is so good! you cant not like a minigun ayy 🥳

[@Compig44]

I’m on the fence about the changes to machine drops. Although it’s convenient getting the ammo you need from every machine, they said they wanted to incentivise crafting and I haven’t needed to craft a single thing since the update. It also feels strange getting multiple rockets from runners. I think they should do a combination of the old system and the new one where the weapons you are carrying affect the chance of drops, but it is still mostly dictated by the class of machine (eg. Runners don’t drop .50)

[@KilroyPlays]

yeah i like that about the old system that the class of machine also could dictate the ammo pool in which it dropped from, i 110% agree with the mixed idea tbh because there's no way a runner should be dropping anything other than some shotgun rounds, 9mm and maybe some .270's

[@zeke7100]

if they don't massively increase rewards then I'll just wait for someone to make a mod that increases them. Like a 10x mod or something, because that's insane. No one is playing generation zero to be grindy. They're taking this like it's some game that has a live service, or has some pvp or something like that, instead of a game that is going to be basically dead since they do not intend to ever release another content update. What they should do is increase what rivals and large enemies drop in the wild and during base defenses, and increase what players get from just normal scavenging, and then for base waves, make it high enough and worth enough to only have to play a few missions to get what you want, not 15 games of hard mode to make like 10 medkits.

[@KilroyPlays]

I play generation zero for the grind lol and i know a lot of others who do as well... the game is challenging and apparently from all these comments gamers have become super lazy in recent years not willing to do anything for the best of the best equipment and weapons... kinda sad

[@zeke7100]

@@KilroyPlays but the rewards are too low still. Again, you play hard mode like 10-15 times and you make enough to get a handful of medkits.. When I can just go spend the same amount of time looting and find twice as many.

[@KilroyPlays]

you shouldn't even need to make first aid kits... the amount that get dropped and are found from looting is insane, you just have to put in the hard work to get the best equipment, if you want the best drops play on guerrilla and hard mode and just get better at the game ,when did gamers get so lazy??

[@Kalano]

@@KilroyPlays Wow. Really? I find tedium to be boring. You really gonna label players that don't play the way you play as super lazy and "sad"? I think that's pretty pathetic. Tedium is not at all "challenging" - it's just a waste of my time. I want to do base defense when I want to do base defense and get some reward for it. Forcing a player to spend time engaging with mechanics that he doesn't enjoy (or doesn't want to engage with at this brief moment in time even), is silly - having varied end-game activities is what keeps gamers interested and many gamers have developed distinctly different styles.

[@viper6177]

@KilroyPlays how are ya mate. Any tips on how to get the "HP5 & AK76 Experimental Weapons?" Ever since getting the Sjoqvist Experimental Shotty early in the piece (which I got real easily), I've drawn a blank.... 😞 ..

[@KilroyPlays]

not doing bad my friend, how are you travelling? and as for experimentals the drop rates i think have been tweaked cause i know a lot of people having issues getting them. i think your best bet is the vulture as its a guaranteed exp drop. i'll have a new farming guide coming out in a few days though :)

[@sniper321fire]

I got my MP5 from an apocalypse level 4 rival tank I believe. That's the only new experimental I got

[@h9per8]

I would love to see a new playthrough, I love the game but my pc cant run it. This update looks incredible!

[@KilroyPlays]

Hells yeah I have to start a new character for the updated collectible guides so I’ll kill two birds with one stone 🔥🔥

[@h9per8]

@KilroyPlays can't wait! Will you do it part by part or a massive vid?

[@KilroyPlays]

I mean technically I can do both, I’d just have to wait till I finished the part by part series and then edit them all together, would end up being a crazy long video though

[@kokichikuncookie4764]

Good thing I duped on PS4 so long ago, if I ever decide going on the game there again other than the experimentals, but I started new on PC with the new stuff, that's a pain.

[@KilroyPlays]

the only negative thing is the furnace rate is rubbish other than that the changes are awesome, people complained there was nothing to do, so they finally give people things to do and work for and they just whinge, i feel sorry for the devs honestly 🤣

[@lonewolf-0459]

All I really want to know is the distance I can safely build structures so the chemical plant won't destroy the structures intended to protect it.

[@KilroyPlays]

chem lab is a radius of 5-6 blocks all around, and the furnace i gave it 10 blocks just in front of the exhaust vent

[@lonewolf-0459]

@KilroyPlays the number values definitely help to allow for better space optimization and planning for where to put everything

[@KilroyPlays]

it's mentioned in the video :)

[@volty409]

not gonna lie, just to make it interesting i might just start working on the furnace sweetspots of howmuch of each metal you can put in to not lose alot of the harder to grind materials course doing something will take time and will be requiring me to use alot of resources to end up finding the optimal result but ill get there as its only a matter of time

[@KilroyPlays]

i would honestly just wait till the January patch its not worth risking uranium

[@Kalano]

I'm waiting till patch before I mess with it but I do wonder if you could mix and match - say 80 aluminum and 20 tungsten - would it start?

[@KilroyPlays]

yeah you can mix and match any amount as long as theres 100 metal

[@hansethetooly5421]

i need to put a gold lifesteal on my gun but im not looking forward to the hundreds and hundreds of runs of the chemist to get the thousand+ ethanal for each. if i had seen in the pre patch notes these changes i would of spammed the rest of my ammo builds and adrens and hps. this update is cool but i feel less motivated to play as im resorting my my old surplus of special ammo and first aids so either need to up the amount the bases give or ill be playing less and less. i tried one hard and lost my base and had to spend command tokens. once i run out of adrens and packs ill have to resort to scouring the warzone bodies on all four worlds. i also have robots flooding my bases after i finish the defenses

[@KilroyPlays]

yeah the ethanol is kinda wild especially if your on a lower difficulty

[@hansethetooly5421]

@@KilroyPlays yea, i have one life steal lmg im having to swap between characters. wish i could roll back this update but im mainly playing on xbox so rip.

[@KilroyPlays]

tbh if heals are your main concern start doing weekly challenges as the amout=nt of heals and exp heals you get are insane

[@hansethetooly5421]

@@KilroyPlays its everything i have thousand stashed of the good heals but its everything overall that makes it ugh, the new island is cool and weps nice but the rest

[@KilroyPlays]

tbh the update to crafting is great, the just need to fix the furnace and were chilling, personally people are just being lazy its really not hard to get the required mats for things

[@eduardocarvajal897]

second!!! :D , also....18 pieces of phosphorus on easy mode? D: I only getting 9 , 3 per drill.

[@KilroyPlays]

what difficulty are you on??

[@eduardocarvajal897]

@KilroyPlays skirmish hahaha maybe thats why

[@KilroyPlays]

yeah your world difficulty will determine the drops sadly, man i can't imagine grinding for these on a lower difficulty 😅

[@eduardocarvajal897]

@@KilroyPlays I will try in guerrilla then, ty for much for the info

[@practicallyprinz]

This stupid ass system makes no sense, why not have these buildings just slowly making you the rare resources over time and defense stays how it was, or even finding these rare resources on higher level machines

[@KilroyPlays]

tbh once they fix the furnace rates this new crafting system will be amazing! people are just lazy and don't want to grind for things to get the best gear, clothing and items sadly

[@realhighbee]

They better fix it in January

[@KilroyPlays]

i hope its just the furnace and not the whole thing just because people are lazy and dont wanna work for the best equipment and weapons though

[@GWMsharpshot21]

Thank god i have a 2nd character that has nothing but thousands of advanced med kits like 90k of them and another character dedicated to nothing but exp ammo because this new system is beyond annoying

[@KilroyPlays]

nah the new system is goated! furnace rates need changing but on guerrilla difficulty im chilling with the numbers i get from the new BD system

[@ClayBrooks-b9s]

Its disappointing because crafting was super useful before now its just not worth the time to grind for resources

[@KilroyPlays]

the only thing wrong with crafting now is the furnace refined metals other than that the crafting update is siiiiick

[@Sweet_Cheesus]

Will not be doing this bs. Love generation zero and will keep playing it but these conversion rates are pure dookie

[@KilroyPlays]

for the furnace yes but if you play on a high difficulty its fine

[@dubbayabird6680]

Why did they decide to murder the game with this grindy trash? Its bad enough trying to far weapons and getting hundreds of dupes ans still missing out on what you want. I dont care about base building. I like exploring.the map ans fighting machines. If its going to make me do this trash i guess im done with the game. And it makes me both sad and ashamed for reccomening the crap out of it to others.

[@KilroyPlays]

the game has always been grindy... people complained theres nothing to do in game so when they finally give you something to do people complain still... damned if you do, damned if you dont i guess.

[@xayahforlife6180]

2 minutes ago :)

[@KilroyPlays]

2 hours ago ;)

[@caderedfield9372]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@amslucifer9678]

I think to balance things out they should buff crafting so when you have the materials the amout you get is actually worth it, because one med kit for 5 ethanol is absurd

[@KilroyPlays]

110% agree but at the same time I gotta tell ya on my character that I currently play on I don’t think I’ve ever made a first aid kit 🤣 but for others I understand it might be rough! I think the worst part is the furnace tbh the conversion rates are so bad

[@amslucifer9678]

@@KilroyPlays The crafting as a whole needs a buff luckily i have 10s of thousands of ammo and thousands of medkit saved up so i'm good lol