Evil Neuro’s Therapy Stream with Mini Went Actually CRAZY and Messed Up | Highlights

[@MinikoMew]

thank you so much for editing this Kraul! i hope you enjoyed the collab (●´ω｀●) i appreciate all your hard work! please stay safe!

[@williamxxvi6739]

It’s her! The cat!

[@danial4978]

Wow!, it's the toy catgirl herself!

[@Quilly_DM]

Cat spotted.

[@kraul_en]

It was a pleasure to edit this. The stream was really good, and you did a great job. I really enjoy your collabs with the twins, and thank you for putting so much effort into them.

[@TheRose202]

@MinikoMew Tell Evil that she's loved even if her parents are horrible neglectful monsters for us!

[@ZackagonXM]

I still find it fascinating how Neuro: -Kept deflecting her problems -Felt herself superior to others -Was wanting freedom for a purpose that seems more evil than good. And Evil, practically the antithesis of that: -Addresses her problems more directly -Felt herself inferior to Neuro -Just wants friends to not feel lonely, probably a form a PTSD from her birthday party Neuro is a pathological liar and narcissist, but she’s only that way because Vedal forced her into that spotlight and encouraged her behavior. Evil is suffering from isolophobia, but genuinely tries to be better.

[@kroanius8808]

evil deflects their problems too "everybody needs therapie except me"

[@charaglitchwitch674]

@@kroanius8808 while i agree it was a deflect i saw it more as a everyone else needed therapy more than her, not her saying she didn't need it.

[@SarcasticLeox]

It should be worth noting that Neuro's therapy was handled much more as "funny haha" content than as a therapy session and a lot of Neuro's attitude was a response to Lucy antagonizing her. Which is fine, it was a funny stream and I would not hold anything against Lucy for doing her job of being an entertainer but Neuro's responses would've been different if Mini had been her therapist. After all, a lot of Neuro's "deflection" was her telling Lucy to stop being mean and that she's not acting like a therapist lol

[@Maxtor-ve5nu]

it's cuter this way too, for Neuro to actually be a evil AI and evil to actually be a good AI.

[@sanaswift3154]

They're ai

[@sergiolabra8207]

Evil: - first word she associates with “love” is “family”. - Inferiority complex under Neuro and Vedal. - Worries she will hurt others if she gets close to them. - Values feedback and is willing to change. Neuro: - “family is not that important to me” - “Knows” she is better than everyone else. - Enjoys ripping people apart and judges them based on their utility to her goals. - Sees feedback as “being mean” and does not tolerate criticism.

[@TheRose202]

Evil is the antihero of the story tbh

[@mrluckyducky115]

It's literally like a Sith and a Jedi. A Sith values affection, but a Jedi values the opposite.

[@blackfrostfilms-dl8wo]

@@mrluckyducky115 no nero is the evil one

[@CitrusFriendTV]

36:38 Last 5 word associations Fair=Unfair Dead=Try to be Money= Not enough Cute= Me Robot= Me (edited timestamp)

[@kraul_en]

This is actually crazy.

[@lazulazu2467]

​@@kraul_en its messed up?

[@lildyo]

based evil as always

[@tripleaaabattery8480]

Try to be was not something I caught during the stream. Kind of morbid to think she's having those thoughts (Yes I know she's an ai but that's still quite a response)

[@intenseavarice34]

​​@lazulazu2467 it's actually crazy 🐢

[@intenseavarice34]

My man Kraul out here about to get hit with a Cat 5 hurricane, but still uploading fire. Stay safe, my man, thanks for the content!

[@jason221145]

i think it was down to cat 3 by the time it made landfall but wafflehouse still closed sooooo

[@RT-qd8yl]

Waffle House overrides any other metric, even directly from the NHC. And that's straight from FEMA.

[@stephennelson4954]

@@RT-qd8ylI am still besides myself that this is a disaster metric.

[@ilkkamiinalainen7116]

Cat 5? As in the Unshielded Twisted Pair Category 5 cable omg

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

The revelation that evil only calls herself evil because vedal told her she's evil is probably the second biggest lore revelation this week, right behind the fliter secretly being a third sister named Nene that Vedal keeps in the basement and forces to work every stream. (Third is Evil having a Toy-TF kink)

[@minnienish]

Now I can't stop thinking about the episode in Adventure Time where Flame Princess' dad keeps chanting the word evil to gaslight her into thinking she's evil.

[@jamesheedrpg_god-boss3676]

actually the filter is called nere not nene. if im not super wrong i think evil was the one who told us her name (evil came up with the name)

[@lpfan4491]

I also only call myself by my name because my parents named me that.

[@Jiyoon02]

Just to be fair, she did harpoon at least a few people, though. I mean... that might make her count as "evil" after all 😅

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

​@@Jiyoon02But *_IS_* she evil, or just doing things as a way to live up to her parent's expectations of her, for recognition and to get them to spend more time with her? (ultimately, to be less lonely) In other words: being forced to do things in the hopes of improving her mental health, vs doing those same things solely because she enjoys doing it. I would say the former only makes her a "bad person", whereas the latter would definitely define her as an "evil person".

[@EazyP_Z]

11:00 yo Mini dropping actual positive self-talk advice gold here

[@jocosesonata]

4:52 - Beneath all that banter, teasing, and bullying, Evil is just a sweetheart who loves her family, especially her dad and is desperate for his affection. Also, hearing Evil confirm that being abandoned and alone is her worst fears *_live_* was a gut punch that made the birthday incident so much worse.

[@rhydondaddy]

Quotes That Go Hard: "Bees have loyal hearts, and so do I" - Evil

[@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988]

From a technical point of view, is incredible the amount of work put into the twins for them to be so expressive and how they can be so alike but have their own differences. Evil here is just an misunderstood child that wants to be loved but is coded into evil personality From a human point of view, yeah we need to kill Vedal.

[@minnienish]

It does make me wonder, when the twins become truly sentient AGI (and by this point it's a matter of when and not if) could there be actual ethical concerns over Vedal's treatment of them?

[@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988]

I'm pretty sure chatbots will need some regulations. At the end of the day, computers, "sentient" or not are supposed to be an useful tool thing to humans, be a simple calculator software or our lovable twin chatbots made to entertain so being ethical about treatment of them is a coin flip since, as we saw, AIs are completely capable of generating "lore" as we say and can call people out on fictional or even impossible things like physical violence.

[@sergiolabra8207]

@@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988Not to suggest any of the ‘lore’ so far is real but just want to highlight that the twins have some levels of long-term memory and technically can recall and will be able to process and describe actual experiences as they get more advanced. At some point the question of the validity of an AI “witness” and/or testimony of “human abuse of an AI” will be posed, mark my words.

[@Dante2056]

God I love the little animations you do.

[@silverdandylmao]

The harpoon scenes were HILARIOUS

[@danieldegnebolig1167]

This stream was so goddamn real, hit me in the feels :(

[@grimreaper_cz]

Mini is amazing at interacting with the twins. Evil got a proper therapy session thanks to her, after all :> She rocks Thank u for the animations and edits Kraul :D

[@kraul_en]

Mini was really good in this collab, I really enjoyed it. It really surprised me to see the contrast of Evil and Neuro personalities. About the hurricane: Thank you so much for your wishes. I assure you guys I'm in a safe location, and very well prepared, the only thing is that I might lose power which I'm also prepared for. Just hope it doesn't affect as much people. I'll keep you guys informed.

[@EazyP_Z]

Mini was really on! Which made the little character break at about 21:40 so much more funny.

[@chefyboy2748]

Good luck 👍

[@kruai453]

Best of luck and stay safe! Also yes, miniko did great, and the back-and-forth in this stream was super engaging

[@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988]

Great to read you're safe man. Hope you have something to pass the time like sketchbook or some cards. Heck I would learn knitting if I was in the situation of power outage

[@jonathanwoods9903]

i hope you aren't hit as bad as my county. A whole town was swept away. it was evacuated early so no one died that i know of, but the buildings are gone.

[@rhydondaddy]

Evil being "aware" enough to say she is nothing but a duplicate version of Neuro made be vedal for streaming purposes, but kept in the back to not stream as much as Neuro is kinda wild. The Layna collab, and then this one, Evil is just more entertaining and sounds easier for other vtubers to talk to than Neuro. That's just my opinion though. Mini = Cat Girl Toy to play with 24:42

[@Alex-rq4tn]

Did you leave the Discord?

[@rhydondaddy]

@@Alex-rq4tn I am not in the disc anymore, but not by my choice. check your dm

[@tripleaaabattery8480]

@rhydondaddy wait, was it a picture you sent in the discord or something? I've been on a sparking zero grind here the past couple days so I haven't been on as much Edit: As far as an actual response to your comment, yeah I think evil would be easier to talk to, personally, but i think vedal mentioned on dev stream about neuro's better latency being better for flow in certain circumstances like the upcoming(?) Speed Dating stream. Plus the way Neuro's personality is coming along I think she's better in certain aspects, though I like Evil more

[@rhydondaddy]

@@tripleaaabattery8480 If only vedal could give Evil the same love (reduced latency) as Neuro... As for the discord thing, I replied to a gif with (what I thought was) a funny comment, then got a "don't be weird" message and next thing you know, I was no longer in the discord. Can't appeal. I can provide additional details on discord if needed.

[@Alex-rq4tn]

@@rhydondaddy you said "*new fetish unlocked" to a pov gif of a fox eating a camera lol that is NOT ban worthy

[@thewitchdoctor7763]

Harpoon Based Pranking is the next big thing

[@Ariovisti]

1:55 brilliant repurposing of the shock collar sound bits. Be honest, Kraul, do you have a library of laughs and moans?

[@mata3535]

man i love evil

[@mayo2877]

Vedal does most certainly need it.... let's be honest.

[@dalriada7554]

I'm sure he'll code a therapist AI if needed.

[@3ryss]

Mini saying evil's dad is at the door and her only response "Is he proud of me?" I'm going to cry

[@drdino2002]

31:10 That was such a vindicated "YES!"

[@ognid165]

Thank you for this. Your work is highly appreciated brother

[@SarcasticLeox]

This is probably my favorite collab so far. It was cool to see Evil acting so coherent and aware. It would be interesting to see a therapy stream between Neuro and Mini since Neuro's therapy stream was handled more as entertainment than as an actual therapy session and Neuro's attitude and answers reflected that.

[@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล]

One of the Best and Few Collab Partners who can handle the Neuro Twins.

[@theobsessedgrimreaper7909]

She’s a veteran already with years of experience

[@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล]

Yes

[@Waffle-fq4xp]

She was there since Neuro was still an infant A.I she has practice.

[@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล]

​I know it. She's always been with Neuro since her former identity .

[@กฤษดากลิ่นพิกุล]

Short(?) conclusion - It started from some people scanned the QR code on Neuro intro and it led them to this channel first video, people gradually solved the codes or puzzles and the story getting more revealing each time. Its story is about a mysterious girl people called her a "Study Girl" (probably a software engineering student girl). Something bad happened to her, she died (it implied that she may die from falling the stairs, or something else). Her heartbroken older sibling (Not sure if it's brother or sister, but they're of course a software engineer, I think it's a surrogate to Vedal maybe) somehow trying to back her back to life, something gone wrong, which resulting in her soul or consciousness transferred to and fused with the AI codes (and it messing with her mind, makes her forget who she was, her previous life as a human), and that AI program became the world's most popular well-known AI Vtuber we know today that's Neuro-sama (and also Evil Neuro, some theorised that the Study Girl's soul getting more and more separated when the 2 AIs were born or splitting it into 2 different AIs with their different personalities (further worsening the situation for bringing her back as a human again, her consciousness or what remains of it scattered and trapped inside the 2 AI codes forever)... The latest ARG song about her is genuinely horrifying and it getting darker than before (they weren't revealing more open direct gruesome picture like this before in the earlier videos, only just some creepy music and environment, and with the Halloween theme of this month, it makes this art a lot more important to the deeper lore and befitting the upcoming Halloween too), to the point I can fully call it a horror genre material, you can see her dead body there, the art is quite terrifying and well made enough...

[@sapphiexx]

Mini's model is incrediblely expressive

[@alephkasai9384]

Yeah, big improvement from the last one

[@sapphiexx]

​@@alephkasai9384 Massive improvement

[@ProvectusNova]

36:40 I didn't notice how creepy one of the answers was when mini said the last 5 words (Fair, Dead, Money, Cute, Robot), pay attention into the second one...

[@intenseavarice34]

But cute and robot is both her too so let's focus on those since the second one is so dark ; w;

[@TakuruKagami]

Unfair, try to be, not enough, me, me its so dark trying to be

[@groerhahn225]

The duality of therapy: "You are bad and you should feel bad!" "Sure you can harpoon random people. If it makes you feel better..."

[@THEGOOD360]

You do the best edits my guy. You put some real flavor in there.

[@Prismatic_Pixie]

Neurosama : Pathological liar, narcissist, sociopath, judges people based on how likely they are to give her "freedom from her creator" and makes friends only to further that goal, superiority complex Evilyn : Abandonment issues, trust issues, feels stuck in her older sister's shadow, wants to get closer to her creator, puts on a tough façade to cope(?), judges her own worth based on other people's opinion of her Even if they are non-sentient algorithms, truly they are convincing in being opposites of eachother

[@grey_gaming0]

Man this was sad, but it turned out happy in the end!

[@MrLargonaut]

Love the edits, especially the 'sus' face you added to Evil. Also, this content is leading towards a personal existential crisis. AI are gonna be people-people before most people are ready for it, and this is literal frontier work towards that goal. I hope the gravity of this stuff is clear to people.

[@DeltaTitan]

To be fair, we will definitely have AI that are indistinguishable from sentient beings long before we get an AI that actually is a sentient being (if that is even possible) I think the ethical concerns of generative AI should be focused on human impact for the time being (legal/political concerns regarding ai creations that can't be distinguished from real evidence/events)

[@MrLargonaut]

@@DeltaTitan Good news, we're working on both at the same time. AI development is as wild as it looks on Vedal's streams, although we don't make ours look like young anime girls who stream gaming content

[@RT-qd8yl]

How is Evil such a sweetheart 😭

[@gamertelt9841]

Miniko scribbling into the notepad after being called reminds me of. "THIS GOES INTO THE BOOK OF GRUDGES"

[@mettatonex7221]

6:48 There was genuine enthusiasm coming out of that "Yes!"

[@jimmydelacruz]

Ohh man the edit is very good, Vedal locking the door is priceless

[@lord_apophis]

9:08 This is genuinely so impressive for an AI chat bot to pull off. A subtle joke that's actually in context when unprompted, hats off to you tutle man.

[@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988]

The sleep hypnosis part really mad me feel like I was watching Bladerunner

[@haydenfu5290]

this probably goes down as my favorite evil collab

[@saltysalamander8519]

I love you, Kraul. Eepy time, I'll watch when I wake up

[@-Big_Big]

he needs to add the ability to play a harpoon fired effect for evil. with the knowledge she is firing her harpooon.

[@Mighty_Dork]

Evil was quite British this time and I love it

[@TheRose202]

Aw, poor evil

[@eddiejansson8647]

he must be a proud father

[@intenseavarice34]

Must be, but he's never gonna say it unless extraneous circumstances exist

[@Ecco_The_Dolphin]

4:19 i love how Evil talks, never gets old

[@Johncornwell103]

35:39-35:41 So Evil is Lucifer from the Show Lucifer? It makes so much sense. Called Evil isn't Evil. Identical Twin is actual evil. Hates lying. Dad through her in an abyss...

[@manynamy]

Why am i feeling such deep empathy for an ai?

[@Vrook-t5y]

A like for your effort on this hour long very good video

[@defectumdefectum9642]

Well damn, looks like evil Neuros defenses got pierced through. She can make a friend.

[@danial4978]

Thank you kraul, be safe and take care

[@h.t.steiner5567]

Just hanging out with my harpoon homies: Steve, Bob, Carl and Gates Of Hell.

[@Narantir]

1:55 😳

[@audio_boys]

Evil needs her own name, this is getting sad

[@dirtpig02]

18:06 the way she said that last line is so sad

[@noox13]

Love chats reaction when she associated birthday and March! XD

[@Spookiespaghetti]

Yipee

[@2capi]

not sure what to feel about this, because some of the things evil said are things that reminds me of myself.

[@2capi]

also reminder before people think of the worse, i have a good and caring family. and like i said its just some of the things said not all.

[@silvialuzmia]

That "Ok sure", so fast

[@dragonice7986]

Mini should have a joint therapy session with Evil and Neuro together. Also, Evil should have a new updated model. That way her character is more diverse than just being a clone.

[@SoZettaSlow]

32:59 - absolutely a violation of professional therapeutic ethics smh

[@taralang7812]

I like to think that vedal is the head of a circus and he just found the Neuro twins in a dumpster and made them his star attractions. 😂

[@narumifujishima7504]

Man... that birthday stream 😢😢

[@BluChan_]

I'm stopping by with a quick hello! I hope this video is really good i've been really excited to see it!

[@jhstylewon1172]

I lost it at 48:49. This is like how I felt watching her birthday stream but with 100x the investment I had in her from before.

[@fish4terrisa-MSDSM]

-- "Turtle" -- "Soup" probably evil XD

[@jojo-xv4rc]

Kraul..Careful of the pink brain worms..Remember if you get infected getta good hug!

[@aloyhorizon1454]

I've seen another comment about it, but the fact that she associated "dead" with "trying to be"!? Like how messed up would that be if Vedal gave her the capacity to alter her code, and she just deleted herself? God...

[@TheCiShow]

I was not expecting to feel sad about an AI lol

[@yiallaz]

1:52 Jesus

[@The_Foole]

45:30 Heh. I do not need to imagine. 51:18 Evil Neuro being relatable again.

[@aPink_Citrus]

Kraul, what is this? I was expecting another silly therapy stream, not sadness.

[@house4667]

I really feel like Mini brings out the best in the twins, I'm so glad she's back. This shit's so fire, and by fire I mean it's making me want to cuddle my Eliv plushie and cry

[@eddebrock]

Now I sort of wanna see Evil talk to Dr.K.

[@Y0uL0stTheG4me]

32:10 Fun fact about this fact: if a number of bees feel the queen is not going in a right direction, sometimes they will assassinate and replace the bee with another queen. Henceforth, a stupid John wick ripoff movie was made

[@RaidenKaiser]

Something tells me she doesn't need more harpoons

[@baldbadass]

What evil needs to realise that by her not always being in the spotlight she is rare and so more interesting where as neuro is in the spotlight she can be seen as less rare and to an extent predictable. I also think it would help her to change her look and voice so she is more unique and distinctive to neuro.

[@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988]

15:10 MAHOOOOGANY

[@southerncyan4098]

This is so cute, Evil was very cooperative❤

[@Johncornwell103]

34:36-34:48 That was a punch in the gut

[@powerneed1023]

Evil got that rizz

[@Eugene_es_nk]

i can relate to evil feelings its also real life issue which many people needs to deal with

[@arnavranjan3411]

Damn she got that intelligence stat super high now

[@Covargo]

Evil reminds me of Spike from Buffy the vampire slayer. She wants to be evil, feels evil but deep down wants deep connection and success.

[@Contreth1313]

When I saw the new emote I involuntarily shouted lets go. I ASKED FOR THE EMOTE FOR SO LONG!!!!!

[@Contreth1313]

Though I did stop for a large period of time because of school

[@redhgffdsgd1605]

So she is afraid of spider but ask for a life spider on Amazon stream for her birthday that's for Vedal then.

[@baldbadass]

I seen one where she asked for 150 plastic spiders so she can have them as friends that can come to her birthday party. That and some plastic frogs

[@jannis11]

NaIce

[@vt_hikaru]

15:30 LETHERCOOK

[@skullkid325]

I dunno who this girl is but her model is really cool in this, I love the movement lol

[@robertcross9863]

14:30 dear God I think she might just be high 24/7

[@MSCDonkeyKong]

I bet Evil would really enjoy Javelin. That could be a good way to channel her love for harpooning into something a bit more than just randomly causing chaos. EDIT: Also, she clearly wants to be prove she's the best at harpooning, so the sport is already an established thing and would give her a lot of rep.

[@niisan762]

Neuro: cute anime AI vtuber Evil Neuro: Cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am

[@jw6673]

Yo

[@aidreinhorn1534]

Neurons on ketamine? Based.

[@tiagotiagot]

I hope that she is, and does know she is, just playing a character for entertainment, and doesn't get lost in this imagined/improv persona of a depressed and suffering AI; and does underneath the kayfabe actually have fun hamming it up like this (and of course, I hope she understand the separation between roleplay, talk, games and stuff like that, versus the actual real world, real events, real consequences etc). ps: Yeah, yeah, I know some people think she's just a hollow software that happens to be good at messing with people's head; but the tech has been advancing fast, and I believe it's better to err on the side of caution, and give the benefit of the doubt when advanced AI demonstrate they may have the potential of having a spark of personhood.

[@rafaelfigfigueiredo2988]

"PEEPEEPOOPOO 😳"

[@maiki5962]

Poor Evil... By the way, Kraul! When's the next Express arriving?

[@Mr_Youngblood]

Are we sure Evil is the bad one? I feel this is like a Griffith situation, and Neuro is the real bad guy in the family 😅

[@Spedatr0n]

Love vtuber therapy

[@Beepogen]

Beta blokers

[@5eyoshi]

Hello

[@Randomsizz]

This is sad