Evolution mitre saw with none Evolution blades plus cross cut blade test

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Amongst my blades I have two freuds. One is a pro 24t and is superb, proving surprisingly clean cuts cross cutting as well as ripping and one is the 40t. No notable tear out on my table saw. You have to be careful when selecting freud blades as they all look alike but they have a baffling array of codes and there’s a big difference between them. Mine are the 15 degree positive rake angle thicker kerf table saw pro versions and slice like a knife through butter. There are thinner kerf mitre specific version, versions with atb, tcc, different coatings and higher quality carbide teeth such as the industrial coded versions like the p410 . Point is you can’t generalise about freud without knowing what you’re comparing. Even the relatively inexpensive freuds will likely last longer than the saxtons which don’t have as much tooth material and cant successfully be resharpened. Good cheap blades for sure but false economy unless you’re an infrequent user.

[@CasualDIY]

I think that's the general point, if you are a occasional user then the Saxton will be a good choice. However if use your saw on daily basis then Freud will be a far better investment 👍

[@DappsJames]

Got a like for the zero clearance flippable work bench alone. Good work!

[@BLMeredith87]

You could actually hear how nicely and smoothly the Saxton was cutting the wood, I knew it'd be a nice result. Need one. :)

[@CasualDIY]

Fortunately they are not too expensive either 👍

[@mohsinrasul8450]

Thanks my guy... Will be ordering the saxton blade

[@KrisuBudi]

No i mam także identyczną ukośnicę Tomku. Dzięki za podpowiedź. Dobry zakup. Teraz czas na zabudowę jej. Oczywiście posłużę się Twoim projektem. Przynajmniej tym co widzę. Keep it up👍🏼

[@CasualDIY]

Hehe dzieki i pozdrawiam 👍

[@StrawbyteWorkshop]

Hey Tomasz - A great video and very informative. I thought I would make a couple of comments. The Evolution Saw is designed with their blades in mind and has a different blade speed to other makes. The bore size is how they try and keep you to their own blades. You also showed examples of the tearout being worse further from the fence. I had this with my Evolution saw and I found this is due to slight play in the saw rails resulting in wobble as the blade is extended over the workpiece on mine - so might not have been a blade issue in the test.

[@CasualDIY]

The tear out was actually near the fence side. I don't feel any play in the rails ( yet ). But if that would be the case all the blades would have the same tear out which is not the case. The Saxton gave almost perfect cut for example. The speed of the Evolution saws were concerning me to be honest - and that was holding me back on using different blades. But I have to say so far had no issues using other blades 😁👍

[@Thesidingsworkshop]

@@CasualDIY agree

[@johngratton467]

Again, another quality informative video, as i've said I've used non OEM blades in mine with a reducing ring, not had any problems at all with them, however I'm now convinced and the next ones will be Saxton, I've used their blades in other tools and never been dissapointed, stay well bud

[@CasualDIY]

Thanks mate. Yes I'm surprised how good the Saxton blades are. Stay healthy and safe 😁👍

[@johngratton467]

@Jim Hope I use Saxton blades in my Piranha saw which was rubbish with the OEM blades, the Saxton ones transformed it into the machine it should have been originally

[@andrewwheeler6989]

Thanks for this review. I have just bought this saw and ordered the Saxton blade as I will be using it primarily for wood.

[@CasualDIY]

Thank you for watching

[@whomadethatsaltysoup]

As ever, excellent comparison between the various blade options. I have an Evolution mitre saw - it's in the loft - but I use the excellent Hikoki with a Freud 40t blade. I did, however, purchase the Saxton blade - again 40t - for the Evolution Rage S5 table saw. Well, it's night and day! And at the current price of only £16.99 with free delivery, it comes in at around half the price of the Evolution or Freud counterparts.

[@CasualDIY]

Exactly, the Saxton blades are really good

[@Senorbarnez]

What a brilliant comparison. Been scanning KZbin for a blade comparison where someone actually shows the results, not just talks about the theory. I ordered yesterday a Freud, and now a bit gutted! as I could have purchased a higher tooth count cheaper blade. Thank you for taking the trouble to purchase, document and show your results. Much appreciated.

[@CasualDIY]

Thank you for watching

[@PeteSimpson]

Firstly I would like to say thank you for creating a great informative video. I only use Saxton Blades in both my Mitre Saw and also Circular Saw. For the price you can't really beat them and they stay sharp for a long long long time. Saxton also has a range of professional blades (which are Yellow in colour), those blades only cost about 20%-25% more than their standard range of blades. Saxton also does blades for ripping long lengths of wood (less teeth).

[@CasualDIY]

Thank you kindly, they do seem to be very good for what they cost👍

[@darrylportelli]

I was really impressed with the stock combination blade of the rage 5 ... i cut plywood with VERY THIN veneers with no 0 clearance insert and had NO tearout whatsoever .... i thought replacing the blade would be the first thing i'd do when i got the saw - i'm not replacing it anytime soon ..... also crosscut some hard maple yesterday which is notorious for burning - gave me a clean cut with no burn marks whatsoever

[@CasualDIY]

Yes they are fairly good mate. But there's a room for improvement 😉

[@darrylportelli]

@@CasualDIY if you ever get a chance, try graphite tools blades ..... they are a polish company and their blades come with reducer rings .... tried their blade on my mitre saw and it was great

[@flyboy2610]

I just purchased the Evolution R185SMS+ saw, the 7-1/4" model with the laser. Just assembled it this morning, in fact. Still need to try it out. I bought it for cutting metal. For cutting wood I have a 10" Delta compound sliding miter saw. One complaint I have read about these saws it that you're locked into using Evolution blades due to the arbor size. While installing the blade I took the inner blade washer off. One side has a 20mm ring machined into it, while the other side has a 5/8" ring machined into it. So I can use a blade with either a 20mm arbor or a 5/8" arbor! 🙂 You may wish to remove the inner blade washer and see if it has two different diameters machined into it. Or maybe you touched on that and I missed it. In which case...... never mind.

[@CasualDIY]

Got few sets of reducing rings plus mostly I use the Saxton blades now with the Evo arbour size. I think the multi material Evo blades go bad quite quick if use use them mainly for cutting metal.

[@Thesidingsworkshop]

Just what I needed mate iam at this moment contemplating the same thing with the same model of saw cheers buddy saves a lot of messing around for me. ... keep safe thomaz

[@CasualDIY]

Glad I was able to help mate😁👍

[@uk_bennny_uk4790]

Going to be getting this saw for my birthday in 25 days... I will be buying your Saxon blades now too

[@CasualDIY]

So far the Saxton blades seem to be very good, specially when you consider the price tag. Well I wish you happy birthday now 👍😁

[@creepycrawlything]

I use an inexpensive Saxton blade in a Dewalt 18v 165mm circular saw. Works really well: regards cut quality; and regards cutting depth and speed. It would seems Saxton gives good value for our spend.

[@CasualDIY]

Yes my thoughts are the same. Really good value for money

[@briansworkshop01]

Again Thomasz honest review and a great video thanks for sharing your time and remember#stay safe and make 🍺🍺👍👍👍

[@alfrose9831]

Another great, helpful video mate. Interesting results too. Saxton seem to have the edge ( see what I did there?) lol

[@CasualDIY]

Lol good one mate. Yes they seem to be very good👍

[@gregoriog1979]

Can't wait for the follow up video for these blades! keep on!

[@CasualDIY]

Thank you kindly👍

[@richarddicktaylor219]

I will be ordering a couple of Saxton blades. I love both my Evolution saws & it is counter intuitive from a brand loyalty perspective not to offer different blades

[@CasualDIY]

So far they worked great for me 😁👍

[@Ssshhhhhh1066]

Fantastic bud. Another great video. They def should be sponsoring you lol... I have the same table and mitre saw because if your videos. 👍👍👍

[@CasualDIY]

Lol I wish 😂🤣 thanks for watching

[@Ssshhhhhh1066]

@@CasualDIY hahaha. Well they should. I bet you've got them lots or sales...😁😁😁

[@Samurai9901]

I usually use the saxton professional blade as default on my Evolution mitre saw. The multi material blade has hardly been used.

[@aligooya8514]

Saxton 80T is a monster on cross sections, I have it. But for longitudinal cuts look for something else

[@CasualDIY]

Got the Freud blade, should do the job 😁👍

[@woodsmithery8351]

Interesting. I get awful blade marks inside cuts with the Evo multi blade but I always thought it was something I was doing wrong. I already have a spare Saxton so I think I'll get it fitted today. Good vid 👍

[@CasualDIY]

You can get the Saxton blades with 25.4mm bore so it will fit perfectly any Evolution saws

[@jimaspinii7579]

I just watched a video about the Evolution miter saw. In that video, his saw came w a reversible washer that the blade seats against. One side is for a 1” bore blade and the other side for a 5/8" bore. maybe Evolution has updated their saws w these?

[@flyboy2610]

On my Evolution R185SMS+ saw, one side of the inner blade washer has a 20mm ring machined into it, and the other side has a 5/8" ring machined into it. So you can use blades with either a 20mm or a 5/8" arbor hole.

[@EquilibriaHealth]

Hi, I have the Freud 80t and it is performing great. I mainly. Use oak and there is a very little tear out if at all depending upon the grain orientation. The reduction ring def isn’t an issue. I also had some concerned about it but unfounded as the flange directly on the blade is what keeps the blade in place and from slipping. The reduction ring is only to pick up the slack but force bearing. Good to know about Saxton. Thanks.

[@CasualDIY]

Yes the more I used it it came to me as well that there is no major issues with the reducing rings. And I found the Saxton blades to be very good.

[@stephenbell3011]

Top video Tomasz I have the Saxton blades in my evolution table and mitre saws and I have had no probs they cut really clean. Looking forward to your next vid keep up the good work

[@CasualDIY]

Thanks mate. I think it may be the zero clearance plate for the Rage 5s. Could be a good one 😁

[@stephenbell3011]

Sound I was thinking about making one but I’ll wait to see your creation take care stay safe thanks again

[@PhilHarmonicus]

You're costing me a fortune! (Another great video, though)

[@CasualDIY]

😅👍 glad that you like it 👍

[@shaundell4630]

I just bought the 210mm evolution mitre saw. First problem I've noticed is that a 30mm bore blade with ring spacer does not work.

[@CasualDIY]

I had that with an Abracs blade and reducing ring. Bought myself reducing rings from Bosch and had no issues since

[@shaundell4630]

@@CasualDIY Thank you for the reply and informative videos.

[@Quest2chill]

How did the blade kerf sizes compare?

[@und3rgroundman865]

Can the Freud blades be used to cut cigars?

[@CasualDIY]

You can even cut sausages with it 🤣

[@trevoreden5088]

Hi, have you ever had an issue with safety blade guard sticking on the Evolution Rage S3. safety Guard retracts ok, but fails to fall back in to place.

[@CasualDIY]

No, I had no issues like that. Maybe the mechanism is dirty or securing bolts done up too hard.

[@trevoreden5088]

@@CasualDIY Thanks for your quick reply . Must admit thought the same, I have tried giving a full clean where I can reach and lubricated any visible moving parts. Wil try to contact Evolution, think it may need stripping down to access the safety guard mechanism.

[@CasualDIY]

The customer service is usually quite good so I hope they will help you accordingly 👍

[@constantincornelcraciunesc4385]

Hi, does the blade cut better if it has more teeth?

[@CasualDIY]

With higher amount of teeth the blade will give nice results, however it will be less suitable for rip cuts. Usually you out blades with more teeth in mitre saws as they do cross cuts. This will give finer results.

[@roadwarrior8560]

I have just bought the same saw, can I use a 250mm freud 45 tooth wood blade I have from an old mitre saw. the bore is 30mm, where can I buy the reducing ring? thanks, subbed.

[@CasualDIY]

Yes it should be just fine. Just search on Amazon for reducing rings 25.4mm from Bosch. I got them and they fit perfectly 👍 Welcome aboard 👍

[@roadwarrior8560]

@@CasualDIY Thanks, just bought it, watched your other video on it, great channel, lots to learn. thanks.

[@niveusjack]

Hey, thanks a lot for the comparison mate! can you tell me what's the verdict almost a year of usage? is the saxton still performing that well comparing to freud?

[@CasualDIY]

Hi and thank you. Unfortunately I had to pack my workshop in November last year and I will be up and running in middle 9f June this year so the blades did not had enough running time for me to give final judgments.

[@richardrobinson7645]

any tips on how to make dust collection more effective using a standard extractor? was it still spitting out dust in every which direction with each saw blade used?

[@CasualDIY]

Yes it made no difference witch blade was on. The dust extraction upgrade is in my pipeline but not sure when it will surface as a video yet🤔

[@barrylarkin3336]

Hi Thomaz Great video, Do you know if the Freud 260mm blade will fit this saw as I have seen them keenly priced.

[@CasualDIY]

Not sure, the original is 255mm. Not sure if there is enough clearance.

[@thepeginator2556]

I haven’t watched this video because I have a Metabo mitre saw, but seemed like the best place to ask. In your opinion, are you better off with 3 cheap blades? Say a course, medium and fine.. or one nice (e.g. frued) blade. A Freud 34t is about £25-30, a 3 pack of cheap blades is about the same. I’m guessing the frued is probably a better option, they’re flip-able for double the life, it’ll probably outlast the 3 cheap blades and give a better cut I’m guessing.

[@CasualDIY]

If you can get the Freud for around £25-£30 then I would go for that. I all depends what are the budget blades. If they are Saxton then I would give them a go.

[@thepeginator2556]

Casual DIY Tookpak from toolstation in this case. Haven’t actually fitted them but might return them and get a Freud I think. These are actually for my circular saw, I’ve got the same ones for my mitre saw and they’re completely fine, more than adequate for a home user, probably have to be using them a lot to wear them out anytime soon. My jigsaw blades are from Saxton and they seem pretty good. You recommend the saw blades then?

[@sebna]

Hi Tomasz, I was wondering if you could let me know who the blades hold up after a year of usage. Saxton vs Freud Pro? Thanks

[@CasualDIY]

Hi, due to a move between countries I have not been using my saw at all. But I'm back in business now. Although I'll give another few months before I give my judgment. Sorry I could not provide any more info at this point

[@sebna]

@@CasualDIY have you moved back to Poland for good?

[@CasualDIY]

@@sebna yes for good but you never know what the future holds 🤔

[@barrygraham6795]

I have contacted Evolution regarding using Saxton Blades in the R255SMS-DB and they say that due to the low revolutions of this saw (2500rpm no-load speed) that only their blades will work. Other blades may damage the saw and will invalidate the warranty. What does everyone think about this? I need a 60T+ blade for cutting composite material decking boards and Evolution don't do them.

[@CasualDIY]

Yes I heard that as well. Been using the Saxton blade for a while and so far all is good.

[@barrygraham6795]

@@CasualDIY Saxton believe it's just a ploy by Evolution to sell more of their own blades. I tend to agree. Can't see how the blade can possibly damage the saw.

[@CasualDIY]

Same mate.

[@amorton1660]

Can you use the same blade in both the mitre and table saws ?

[@CasualDIY]

I do, yes👍

[@chrisedmonds4005]

So a mitre saw blade is a circular saw blade? When purchasing Saxton blades they only ever mention circular saw.

[@CasualDIY]

@@chrisedmonds4005 they are all circular blades...🤔🤣

[@norbertesa1349]

Polish?

[@CasualDIY]

Yes I am 😁👍

[@bef58115]

Just convinced me to order some saxton blades, I thank you my wallet doesn’t!

[@CasualDIY]

Hehe hope they will serve you well 😁👍