Evolution of Warship Size | OLD REPUBLIC to EMPIRE

Throughout the course of Star Wars history ship designs have become increasingly larger and more complex. We take at the evolution of the size of warships in Star Wars.
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[@Canoby]

Empire/First Order star destroyers will forever be the definition of scary force projection, but Old Republic ships are more interesting to look at

[@casbot71]

The evolution of size seems to correspond with the evolution of bad exposed bridge placement. "This ship is twice the size… we'll extend the bridge up on a narrow tower".

[@minecat1839]

Except.for the Supremacy. Otherwise true.

[@DefecTec]

Nice to see someone give the old republic some recognition

[@pyeitme508]

Please make a video about the Eternal Empire Military's history, whole structure, pros ans cons in the future? If possible maybe Eternal Alliance as well?

[@joelburkle]

This would be extremly interresting

[@marsfreelander5969]

DO IT

[@fightingfalcon777]

I would love that. The Eternal Empire’s military and makeup as a whole is really unique in the Star Wars universe

[@maxmuller8633]

@@fightingfalcon777 I would they're basically Medival French, Star Wars Edition

[@fightingfalcon777]

Max Müller That’s interesting. How so? I’m not super familiar with medieval France

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

"My ships are bigger." Old Republic "No my ships are bigger." Clone Wars "Amateurs." "What did you say?" "Amateurs." Supremacy Star Destroyer

[@dr.garretsshow]

Weaklings! Imperium Class Star Dreadought stays supreme! 260km long.

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

Damn peasants, I have the high ground.

[@jigolocana7492]

Um the eclipse is only in 17km long less larger than a executor, the mega class (supremacy) about 60km on width while on its length i can't remember.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

@Eric Kulp laughs in wide.

[@Angry_Squirrel555]

Jiro Locana, the Supremacy is actually classified as a Mandator IV Siege Class Dreadnought...as you were.

[@Engine33Truck]

Correction. The term “Dreadnought” wasn’t a nickname for a battleship, it was a type of battleship. The term came from the battleship HMS Dreadnought. HMS Dreadnought’s design revolutionized battleships and set the standard for future battleships. Battleships designed previously to the debut of HMS Dreadnought (1905) utilized three different levels of armament. These battleships were later designated as “Pre-Dreadnought battleships”. They had a relatively small main battery, typically two turrets sporting dual large-bore guns (greater than 10 inch bore). Then they had a large secondary battery of an intermediate bore (6-10 inches). Finally, they had a large battery of small bore guns (3-5 inches) for defense against torpedo boats. The problem with that design was range finding at the time was done by observing fall of shot. At medium to long ranges, the shell splashes of the main and secondary batteries were indistinguishable, which hampered the fighting ability of both batteries. Dreadnought revolutionized battleships by totally deleting the secondary battery, and instead mounting a large battery of large-bore guns, giving it the nickname of the “all-big-gun battleship”. Eventually battleship design moved all the main battery turrets onto the centerline of the ship and those battleships mounted a larger-bore main battery than the original design dreadnoughts, leading to them being called “super dreadnoughts”. Today, the Japanese battleship Mikasa is the world’s only surviving pre-dreadnought battleship. All the other surviving battleships (all American) are super dreadnoughts.

[@stuglife5514]

I was thinking this when I heard him say nick name and was gonna type something out, glad I saw you excellent and well educated answer first. May I ask, what’s your favorite naval ship in history?

[@Miron_Marnic]

@@stuglife5514 I don't know who you are but i love stugs so i subscribed you lol.

[@paulobenjamin672]

Video suggestion: what if the Imperium of Man invaded the Star Wars Galaxy during the Clone Wars? Would we have a truce between CIS and Republic? Would any Star Wars faction be able to reverse engineer 40k hardware or the Imperium woul just slowly but surely conquer the Star wars galaxy?

[@Colonel_Overkill]

in the year 1906, the year HMS Dreadnought set to sea a destroyer on average had a displacement of a thousand tons, Dreadnought displaced 18,000 tons, and one of the first aircraft carriers, came in at 10,000 tons. Only 30 years later the largest battleship, INJ Yamato displaced 70,000 tons. A full hundred years later the latest US destroyer displaces 18,000 tons and the largest aircraft carrier to date weighs in at 100,000 tons. The point behind this is in only a hundred years the size of warships grew by anywhere from 5x to 20x larger than their predecessors. Its really astonishing that the ships in Star Wars are so small and grew so little over such a ling span of time.

[@StarScapesOG]

Hmmm, why ships are getting bigger... could it be that the human reproduction organs were getting smaller?

[@frailewe113]

Lol

[@GenerationTech]

There probably is a correlation

[@myman3943]

Compensating for something

[@DetectiveLance]

We do notice that whenever the ships get ridiculously large, it's usually at the behest of some organization being run by a Sith, and since an overabundance of the Dark Side has a tendency to cause physical corruptions and...well, shriveling, perhaps we can draw on that correlation.

[@TheRezro]

Yeh, I absolutely hate that many bad Sci-Fi writers forget about square-cube law 0_0

[@GlizzyPrinceChristian]

Welcome back to another episode of GENERATION TECH!!!!!!!

[@Malchiah01]

He's more v-collar than man now

[@GenerationTech]

It takes a true man to rock a v collar

[@jasongeary5093]

@@GenerationTech your outfits always remind me of 2009-12 “SWAG” fashion. But in a casual indie way.

[@owenellermeyer6997]

That might be the best sponsor I have ever heard

[@karwratho9917]

The fact that Allen pretends to live in star wars is beautiful.

[@kaelanirevyruun1676]

He can also do a passable Morgan Freeman impression

[@blooddixmond]

What if he does

[@Cr9y]

pretends??

[@Cr9y]

we all live in star wars

[@Tavemanic]

@@blooddixmond be realistic. He doesn't

[@UncleMikeDrop]

I wonder why the Rebellion or New Republic never tried scaling up the B-Wing prototype composite laser for use on a Corvette. It would have been a devastating weapon without the severe power limitations of a Starfighter.

[@doncalypso]

You guys should *seriously* consider talking Morgan Freeman into narrating videos for this channel... especially when discussing capital ships. Maybe throw in James Earl Jones to narrate videos about the Sith or the Galactic Empire.

[@collguyjoe99]

James Earl Jones is currently filming Coming 2 America ( Coming to america 2 ) with Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall

[@ctwarboss6913]

I agree. Morgan Freeman is one of my favourite actors

[@ABadassDragon]

@@collguyjoe99 Holy shit! They are actually making a sequel to that film. Nice

[@collguyjoe99]

@@ABadassDragon Scheduled to be released end of November/Start of December - so very soon

[@Angry_Squirrel555]

doncalypso, do you realize the cost associated with that? Big name voices don’t come cheap. That said, it would be really cool to hear JEJ narrate a video here!

[@collguyjoe99]

It's not the size of the ship, it's the motion in the maw

[@patchworkfellow]

😂😂😂

[@nickvinsable3798]

I like to think of that size evolution as a phenomena found in animals found on islands when compared to their mainland ancestors. Another way of looking at this is comparing the size differences between the Dynamic-class freighter, the CEC XS Stock light freighter, & the YT series of freighters and compare them to the sizes of other ship types of its time(s). You’d also have A-wings & TIE fighters compared with “Star Wars: the Old Republic”’s Interceptors. X-Wings & Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wing compared with similar looking craft from my previously mentioned game. And not just compare the sizes of each other, but also the larger ship types. These comparisons can show that there is an evolutionary trend that also goes along with advances in technology alongside the available resources & such…

[@MPHIY17]

Wouldn't the Acclamator be the most common Republic warship during the Clone Wars? There's a scene out of one of Karen Traviss' books where they say that there are more Acclamators at the Battle of Coruscant than they thought the Navy had. It also makes sense for them to have more cruisers than capital ships since they were smaller, faster to produce, and much cheaper. Can anyone shed some light on this please? Thanks! :D

[@Tzar1]

The only question I have left is why is the bridge often on a tower? Couldn't it be placed inside the ship and use sensors to look outside?

[@kyleruiz7167]

Well dont forget that ion cannons are a thing, they disable electronic devices including sensors. Anyways on another note that if the sensors get disabled In action or technical error you will be flying blind (just Imagine flying a plane, car or boat) with no windows but instead cameras or sensors, it will be much more difficult or rely on being much more cautious without relying on windows to navigate. Last note is that most star destroyers like the imperial star destroyer and the first order star destroyer had a secondary bridge within the ship instead of on it.

[@ctwarboss6913]

Good to know Morgan Freeman is back in action

[@casbot71]

Needs a violin in the background for the full effect.

[@daltonlocklear3399]

Call me crazy but I always wanted to see a movie with Morgan Denzel and Eddie

[@awkwardarovods]

You mean forgan mreeman

[@angry_eck]

I feel like there is also some political reasons that the ships increased in size because alot of the smaller ships come from not smaller but just less connected with the more influencial people

[@CaseyOntiveros]

I still think there were many more pockets of regression in technology. Mini-Dark Ages of the Galaxy Far, Far Away.

[@alvaropenademiguel2308]

Fantastic video. However, you missed talkinga about the old republic's 600m-length Valor-class cruiser, which was the Republic's biggest ship type during the Great Galactic War and the following conflicts. Used along the smaller Thranta-class corvette, it had a similar role as the Venator carrying a huge fighter complement to overwhelm enemy ships like the Harrower, its Sith counterpart. It was quite fast for a ship of its size at the cost of less armament, so that the Valor-class cruiser wasn't seen often in the frontline. PD: I love your videos :)

[@thecatalyst6212]

Empire: we built super star destroyers Supremacy has joined the game

[@social3ngin33rin]

To be fair, smaller "rebellion" ships had plot armor

[@wylandnares8642]

1:59: Plz say Halo, Plz say Halo, Plz say Halo... 2:00 "Mass effect". *VISIBLE CONFUSION AND DISAPPOINTMENT*

[@Toothieterror]

Can you make these two videos please: 10 flaws with the Tarkin doctrine and what if the Tarkin doctrine never existed.

[@Raleyg]

Is that the Axehead frigate from the Knights of the Old Republic comics? Cool!

[@GenerationTech]

Good eye

[@killingragethrowback]

Sounds like the Ruusan Reformation and the era after it are the Star Wars equivalent to the Khitomer Accords and the Golden Age of Star Trek. Though shorter, it was a similar event that ushered in decades of peace and demilitarization. The Cardassian and Tzenkethi border conflicts are like the tensions with the outer rim and the Trade Federation, with the Borg invasoin and the Dominion War as the Clone Wars. Even the Cardassians became part of the Dominion same as the Trade Federation became part of the Separatist. And just like how the Republic became the Empire, post Dominion, the Federation became a lot darker. Which brings up the question... who's ripping off who?

[@generalripper1964]

I may have missed it but have you guys talked about the economics of Star Wars? It would take a lot of money, workers, materials, and significant amount of national GDP to support a military force this large.

[@indianajones4321]

This is where the fun begins

[@nathanskywalker1536]

My favorite flagship the overseer

[@hansmerker5611]

I would combine the best qualities of the Centurion Battle-cruiser (excellent size, diverse weapons, troop complement and star-fighter complement) with the Resurgent class Star Destroyer (modern design, powerful weapons system, emergency bridge, and star-fighter deployment).

[@joshuawells835]

7:14-Is it just me or are the Jedi commanding the Armies of Gondor in this picture?

[@GenerationTech]

Lol right

[@Tzar1]

No, they are defending Winterfell

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Great breakdown

[@Gamer1990100]

Hey did you forget about the "Citizen's point of view on the jedi" series?

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

"Judge me by my size, do you?"

[@tazman66gt18]

gotta get that sponsor some airtime.

[@jeanpaulantoine1206]

7:00 At this point Star Wars was exactly like Warhammer 40k, more so when the Republic turned into a haven of xenophobic, religious fanatics

[@kyodairiker]

No one out xenophobes the imperium except the imperium!

[@custink22]

I mean, when the republic fell many were screaming "for the emperor!" So...

[@Angry_Squirrel555]

Interesting how the Inferno Squad’s Corvus owes a lot of its design to the Centurion class Star Destroyer. I never noticed that until now. Also, you all totally missed the the Supremacy (aka the Mandator IV class Siege Dreadnoughts).

[@minecat1839]

The Supremacy is a Mega class Star Dreadnaught. The ugly thing from the beginning of episode 8 is a Mandator 4 dreadnaught.

[@Cortanis001]

The SD1 to the SD2 they underwent a more automated change while reducing the crew size and hangar size if I remember correctly. My biggest question for the mid to late Empire period under Palpatine would have to be why we didn't see any real changes in point def systems given that snub fighters had continually proven to be the glaring weakness in the ship designs for the period. I also find it strange that we never see any kind of real guided ordinance for anti ship combat implemented in any later designs. The turbo laser system is all well and good, but I would have expected at least some changes in weapon systems to compensate later.

[@khadenallast4495]

It's worth noting that in Lucas's vision the ISDs were capable of doing whatever he wanted them to do when he wanted them to do it. They use flak in Ep5, and even keep up with the Falcon. They're actually meant to be quite intimidating ships to fight against, referenced when Lando suggests to Ackbar that they charge into the ISDs at Endor and Ackbar responds that they won't last long if they do. However it's also worth pointing out that, at least originally, Lucas doesn't seem to have imagined the ISD as the Empire's "standard" ship. During their conversation in the cantina Han says he can outrun Imperial starships, and specifically mentions the "big Corellian ships" (likely the ISDs) and contrasts them to the "local bulk-cruisers" (what was likely meant to be the standard Imperial ship). And yet in most EU material that's exactly what the ISD is, the standard Imperial ship. However Lucas probably imagined having an ISD patrolling somewhere being equivalent with having a modern _Nimitz-class_ patrolling the area. You don't bring it in just for everyday patrol duty, you use it for regions of strategic importance.

[@shmismith7196]

Sponsorship obligations with Geonosian Hive Engineering? Looks like you have sponsorship obligations with Frito-Lay. I have no idea what you said the whole video because those crispy golden chips behind you were calling out to me. If you’ll excuse me, I’ll be on my way to my local grocer/convenience store.

[@GenerationTech]

Ships

[@shmismith7196]

Perhaps if you didn’t hire Morgan Freeman to recite random lines you wouldn’t have so many sponsorship obligations. You could hire me instead, I would recite all the random lines you want for a bowl of chips!

[@SwordoodGaming]

Hey, I’m not sure if you’ve ever addressed this or not, but my boys in white deserve to have their names cleared of the disgusting rumors about their lack of competency. Can you address the difference between accurate and precise, and what that means in terms of being a soldier in the galactic navy? The jedi traitor that is obi-wan was wise to point out his imperial highness’ troopers precision, but for some reason people can only see how they miss when shooting at rebel scum and declare them incompetent

[@EthanFrowen]

Hi I love all of your videos

[@whadatmowfdu7320]

We need to start a collection so y’all can buy a new iron. That shirt looks pretty comfortable though man. 😉

[@GenerationTech]

Our country is going thru a difficult time right now fashion can wait

[@whadatmowfdu7320]

Generation Tech which is why I believe everyone should lighten up and recognize people’s attempt at levity in an otherwise shitty year. I’ve been a sub to the channel and enjoy the videos, it’s a joke. Comedy is another form of entertainment just like making Star Wars videos during that same “difficult time”.

[@NooOneSpecial]

Whadat Mowfdu I think you’ve taken GT’s comment a bit too seriously

[@zsshamalama]

Not a bad Shelby Foote impression, I do declare.

[@legioninc.79]

Do a darth malgus!! I love the old republic lol

[@pyeitme508]

Cool video and third.

[@deph5183]

Thank you for disclosing why you failed to mention some of the best Imperial ships.

[@xavierbrock5009]

Hello Allen. I love u so much. I hope you're having a great day

[@scroungergaming6317]

No. The reason(s) these ships keep getting bigger is because the average viewer, whether they realize it or not, are used to having "bigger and better" thrown at them at every turn. So with each new iteration they get bigger. Basically, everyone is jaded. So one must go to extreme lengths to entertain. Also, when making merchandise to sell to children, size matters. The bigger a thing is, the more they can charge for it. A small hunk of cheap plastic doesn't fetch as much as a larger hunk of cheap plastic. Imagine, though, how interesting it would be if the ships kept getting smaller and smaller, to the point where everyone had to walk to get from point A to point B. That wouldn't be very fun, now would it?

[@OrDuneStudios]

We should have had smaller but classier vessels like the differnce between a BB and a DDG

[@forwarduntodawn1000]

When you didn't mean halo for the mass coil cannons felt bad man cuase that's how the unsc do it do tho its not changed like starwars has

[@colinurbanowicz9702]

Hello Alan you little off on dreadnought give us the definition dread·nought /ˈdredˌnôt,ˈdredˌnät/ noun 1. HISTORICAL a type of battleship introduced in the early 20th century, larger and faster than its predecessors and equipped entirely with large-caliber guns.

[@britishwaffleproductions4762]

Tbf I would have thought it would go the other way you know a small target masses of shields less space but more in quantity

[@wutsfordinner]

7:10 So that's where Gondor was when the westfold fell

[@kaiserman5494]

Love you ascent hahaha :)

[@alysbrewster2204]

Hi

[@gabrielborkulak4156]

zayn consortium and epic mass driver cannons

[@echo8474]

I have a question. If I have a 300m long ship with 6 medium cannons and 3 aa guns what would it be classified as?

[@GenerationTech]

It’s not about how long the ship is it’s about how you use it

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Because star wars navies apparently never lack for resources and thus never have to worry about the absurd resource cost of investing so many alloys in one ship then sending it into a brutal war in which it could be annihilated in a very non-renewable manner. The only time I have ever seen this be addressed is in The Force Unleashed where its established that the Empire is salvaging the scrap of Raxus Prime to build star destroyers. I guess the Sith prefer cruising through space in progressively larger and larger phallic symbols to actually winning wars.

[@devongifford2315]

Did anyone notice the notification sound at 1:55

[@thecatalyst6212]

you have made a enemy of kuat prepare to be bombarded

[@LezbionestHere]

WHY DID THEY STOP USING MASS DRIVERS. In space, mass drivers would be far FAR more powerful than plasma bolts. Way more destructive. Even in atmosphere they would be far more effective

[@demonjunkie6588]

I love how Alan randomly goes into morgan freeman mode

[@casbot71]

It's a lot like the Honda Civic, have you seen the size of the original models? it's smaller than the latest Jazz model.

[@GenerationTech]

Yea the new Honda accords are massive

[@jessehorn6180]

Those ships should be canon!

[@DarknessGuard]

The rebels proof, bigger doesn't necessarily mean better.

[@chrisdobson4597]

Hi Allen

[@reneemorris8154]

nice

[@thecatalyst6212]

i was here when it only had 3,003 views

[@jumpstrart7]

Could you please do a breakdown of the Deucalion from Aldnoah Zero?

[@cowerdnerddespacito9518]

I wonder what corosant looked like when it was still uncivilized without all of the buildings or space ships

[@broadside2130]

Hey Allen I had no idea you were on China Unscensored

[@GenerationTech]

Yea used to film for them I was a cameraman in another life

[@broadside2130]

Generation Tech That’s so cool because I love both your channels

[@darkblood626]

How long before Disney make a planet into a star ship?

[@minecat1839]

Starkiller Base joined the game.

[@doglover334]

and starfighters mostly got smaller

[@googesowders2758]

Imagine being in a sleeper for 100 years and getting to target planet . And finding out two years after you left hyper drive was invented. Your grand children meet you when ship lands .

[@frown_more]

what type of ship is the courvis

[@GenerationTech]

I believe it’s a stealth corvette

[@Mando_Kor]

@0:55 cause space weens keep getting smaller of course!

[@armycowboy4313]

So what Star wars is saying you need carriers over battleships got it.

[@TheMock5000]

Really? You accepted a sponsorship from the geonosians? And here I thought you were a part of the humanity first movement.

[@austinfisher1015]

Mass Effect rail guns? Do you mean Halo who uses them more?

[@khadenallast4495]

How does Halo use them more? Almost every gun in Mass Effect is a coil gun, even the standard infantry sidearm, while Halo only uses them for their MAC cannons.

[@Antonluisre]

555K subs dude

[@zerocolin3619]

bigger means better at least for capital ships.

[@quarkedupphoton236]

It seems to me that the important factor to producing large ships is apparent free energy or power sources installed on these vessels. Like those star destroyers that have a planet destroying laser on them, sudpending belief in a fictional universe its still stupidly unbelievable. The energy from a power source has to be converted and used in a laser that can destroy a planet in three seconds. Star Wars writers really gotta tailor the BS back but yeah the power sources make these large ships go i think.

[@spikegaming7103]

I feel like in Star Wars people have a fetish for triangles

[@minecat1839]

Why not? It's pizza 🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕

[@Vchk1917]

Executor rules!!!

[@scottmccrea1873]

Lol. What's with the Foghorn Leghorn voice?

[@bcmm1880]

fIrsT

[@c.i.ac.i.a2159]

Seventh

[@wilhelmburgdorf9309]

367th

[@daniilpashuk6017]

Is there an lore reason why the most ships are shaped like a triangle?

[@ABadassDragon]

As far as i know, not really. They look like big, flying daggers and thats scarry. Tarkin doctorine can explain it for the empire

[@GenerationTech]

They say it’s a sith design trait

[@Yaboigoincrazy]

I have a good theory what if padme died on Giagnosis

[@hazzaka4236]

whats up with this

[@Venator631]

So it went from small but good warships to large but still reasonably sized warships then to very unreasonable resource wasting warships with the empire starting with the imperial line.

[@joshbull623]

It’s dumb they changed star ships or even attempted to improve them. All the empire needed to do according to Disney was to increase the size of the venator and put a super laser on the bottom of it.

[@Fl1xnd]

does morgan freeman just posses allan mid-video

[@futurezeus952]

I'm sorry I refuse to believe the the sith empire capital ship was 800 meters long it just don't sound right I feel like it should be at least it just as big or a little bigger than a star destroyer

[@joshuadegroat5450]

Lmao 🤣

[@brianbromley9586]

I'm craving potato chips for some reason...

[@khadenallast4495]

It's the alcohol

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

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