Joe Achilles' M2C gets an MSS Suspension Upgrade!

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Now you've seen us install the MSS kit, head over and watch Joe's video to see what he thinks of it on his M2 Competition, and also as a little bonus in an M140i! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHqul6ynZ8d-jNk

[@eolle43]

Thanks and loved the video. I don't know anything about spring rates for cars except for basic DIY aftermarket spring changes. I'm just trying a basic thought experiment. Does the combination of the two springs change make the spring rate more "progressive"? Most springs seem very linear (excluding coil-overs) will this make the initial compression easier and gets significantly harder as you go in to the spring until bottom out? How does the height adjustment change or can you force the "lighter" spring to reach end of travel sooner?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

A linear spring is made up of one spring rate that doesn't significantly as the spring compresses - A progressive spring has more than one spring rate. So from my understanding yes the softer spring reacts first, giving you comfort, whilst when loaded up the stiffer spring comes in to play to provide the handling benefit. Height adjustment does not change the springs initial compression amount unless it is maxing the damper out, which on OEM dampers these will not. We have found that setting the MSS kit to stock height improves comfort even more, so on the tests we have done we have compared to lowered MSS, a 'worst case scenario' for the kit and the stock damper.

[@eolle43]

@@EvolveAutomotive Thank you and I thought the combination was brilliant.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Absolutely awesome video guys, my M2 is genuinely UK friendly now :-) Cheers guys!

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Thanks Joe! Glad you are enjoying it 😊

[@wellrunsports1]

Another brilliant vid on the MSS suspension kit! I'm really glad I've had this setup on my BMW M235i it really does work a treat and improves the overall drive and handling, especially when you go for a spirited drive on a flowing B or A road... Many thanks guys 👍

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Thanks! More people will soon realise just how good this set up is.

[@Liono_Monkey]

@@EvolveAutomotive Do these kits address the RHD uneven rear ride height (by design for LHD cars apparently) that is driving me up the wall in my Mlite?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

You can set the height to exactly what you want, so yes you could raise or lower one side to get them to match if your car isn’t.

[@subwrx2]

I just ordered a set for my C63S. I really hope this improves the ride quality a bit. (Less harish ride)

[@curtr.5083]

Joe the first thing I noticed in this video is your exhaust muffler. As someone with an OG M2, I am so thrilled to see an M2C with a good rear end. Your car looks exponentially better with a normal sized exhaust hanging down!

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Yes way back when we first got a development M2C in we couldn't believe how low it sat! Aftermarket rear exhaust is a must IMO.

[@peterwood2633]

The grade four haemorrhoid is no more

[@ianmitchell9102]

Thought I’d watch this 1st, cool video, off to Joe’s channel now 👍🏻

[@ITSMYOPINIONNOTYOURSDOYO-bi5sr]

Brilliant collaboration between two passionate parties

[@garychen919]

I’m confused about the orientation of the rear springs. MSS UK told me that the black springs should go on the top of orange springs, however, you put orange springs on the top. So, which one is correct?

[@fang75429]

I thought you were wearing a Kilt at about 1:50 or so :)

[@williamcarvalho2869]

Great video guys!! Thank's for the insight.

[@bonniedrasco8166]

Two great KZbinrs

[@DialedOut]

Hi mate, kindly to share the measurement to all of the height and others, i would like to install it next week, thanks

[@raveutcars]

I'm sure the bottom spring is stiffer but its not what gives you the handling and flatness. It looks like spring rate 1 is all coils working on both springs . Spring rate 2 which will be higher is thanks to the top part of the black spring going coil bound making the black spring stiffer so the effective rate of the two springs is higher. Spring rate 3 is black spring fully coil bound meaning your are just on the orange spring giving an effective spring rate higher again. So its actually the orange spring giving you the "flatness" and black spring adding the comfort. Lets say 60N/mm for orange and give the black one and arbitrary 120N/mm on all coils and 200N/mm when top section is coil bound. Using (k1*k2)/(k1+k2) for springs in series you get roughly Spring rate 1 = 40N/mm. Spring rate 2 = 46N/mm Spring rate 3 = 60N/mm Interesting system. How much of the black spring is coil bound at ride height?

[@n.prince2458]

Not bad. The MSS w/ Bilstein B16 coilovers over a choppy road will be an interesting review.

[@cjt150]

Nice video. What was the ride height set to on this setup?

[@Tluchak14]

Hmm I’m do for an upgrade on my 235i. I guess I need to find a way to order to the states.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

We are shipping these to the USA daily!

[@Tluchak14]

Evolve Automotive good to know! I’m sure reviews are still coming in for the 235i/240i, but I may pull the trigger soon. Thanks.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Joe reviews the M140i with MSS in his video.

[@shanebagnall1979]

Firstly, fantastic video! How many mm did you drop the front and rear of Joe’s M2? Are these springs available to purchase in Australia?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Yes you can purchase these in Australia! From memory it’s 20mm lower at the front. For more info on purchasing please email [e-mail], thanks

[@i_am_texas]

I see some bad reviews about the springs announced (30mm) People say that it's not true and don't get even close They go like 15 mm lower maximum ( with OEM ) What's your opinion? It's that right?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

We have fitted many and have them on our own M2. They lower what they say on the M2.

[@Bryan-ir1ex]

How does this compare to the KW HAS kit? Quite similar mechanisms I reckon?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

It's very different. Fits into stock spring locations so requires no sleeving. Has 3 different spring rates on the rear. Much more comfortable and compliant than KW HAS.

[@Bryan-ir1ex]

Evolve Automotive I see. The KW also has two springs in the back so I was wondering. Do these work better with EDC and non-EDC cars?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

@@Bryan-ir1ex they just have a helper spring. It's not working like the MSS system. Also the second spring on the MSS kit is formed of 2 spring rates.

[@01pabz]

Bellos to joe !!! 😂😂😂

[@desrste]

Love these collab videos! Have you fitted any g20 3 series with MSS yet? I am seriously considering a set and value your opinion.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Joe is great to work with! Easy to make good content with a fellow BMW geek. G20 kit is in development/testing and should be available towards the end of this month. If its like any other kits (which I am sure it will be) it will be a great addition to the car.

[@desrste]

Evolve Automotive I really appreciate the information and the fact that you took the time to respond! Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@JO3KAH]

Hi, I am interested in upgrading the stock suspension on my m240 convert on passive suspension. One of the things I noticed is how poor the suspension is on UK roads, would these be a suitable low-cost option or would you recommend another route?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

These are a great option for UK roads.

[@thebeardedyorkshireman8368]

Hi can you fit the springs and some new dampers as my car has 64k on it? I have a F20 125d LCI

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Yes we can do that. We could pair them up with some Bilstein dampers

[@thebeardedyorkshireman8368]

Evolve Automotive what would be the cost fully fitted? Do you have an email address so I can organise stuff.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Please email [e-mail] for a proper quote 👍

[@moldds]

So I bought a set of MSS Sport for my M2C and I have a technical question, I like Joe Achilles ride height and I assume it’s on stock tires.Can and are you able to tell me what you set the ride height to be on both the front and rear MSS adjusters? 😊 Thanks 🙏

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Do we not mention it in this video? It’s been a while and we’ve installed a lot of sets since so not sure the techs would know for sure

[@moldds]

Evolve Automotive you show in the video that your measuring both the front and rear adjusters but no mention of the measurement during the video. If you happen to do another M2 with MMS Springs would you mind posting the measurements. By chance did you give Joe the measurements on the worksheet that was provided when I went to [e-mail] as follow up instructions when doing the installation. If you did I’ll as Joe if he could share on his site. Thanks

[@EvolveAutomotive]

From memory the tech believes it was 20mm down on the front and 15mm down on the rear. So 10mm thread remaining on the front adjuster and 15mm thread remaining on the rear one.

[@moldds]

Evolve Automotive thanks, I’ll use that as my starting point. Thanks for your help...

[@MeMurphy10Feb]

Thanks for the video guys - how do these springs work with standard bmw adaptive dampers - any complications or variances in install etc? talking about F30 328i with the optional suspension thanks.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

They work great with adaptive! One of the big pluses is that you get height adjustability without spending thousands on adaptive coilovers or sacrificing the adaptive feature and having it coded out Other than unplugging the damper at the front there’s no difference install wise, we would charge the same amount for both.

[@MeMurphy10Feb]

@@EvolveAutomotive Thank you appreciated

[@MeMurphy10Feb]

sorry guys maybe betraying my ignorance here but by unplugging the front adaptive damper does that means that the front is static ie the adaptive piece is no longer operating? If so thats not a show stopper but are the MSS front springs likely to reduce understeer - frankly that is the key thing that has disappointed me about the handling - don't want hero pointy but should be sharper - thanks.

[@CharlesChristena]

@Evolve Automotive Any word on those air intake duct fixes for the M2 Competition? :( :( :(

[@EvolveAutomotive]

What do you mean?

[@CharlesChristena]

@@EvolveAutomotive the m2 competition air intake ducts are missing the elbow joints in the front of the car behind the kidney grilles that the m3/m4 have. It was said on the BMW forums that evolve was working on a solution.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

@@CharlesChristena to fit those scoops requires modifications to the car. If you are willing to do that you can buy the scoops from the M4 kit.

[@CharlesChristena]

@@EvolveAutomotive bummer. Thanks.

[@d4mcm]

Hi Evolve Automotive I love watching your vids! but I have Noticed something in nearly all your vids ! as you work on Customers cars , Engine work , suspension work ! were are the Wing Covers protecting the paint as everyone is lying over them and dragging dynostic cables as they go about there work ? a Very SLOPPY set up if you ask me!...im sure your making very good money and can treat Customers cars better,

[@pc0736]

Hi, I’m located in hk, tried your site but it doesn’t seem to ship here. How can I get a set of your springs for my M2C here in Hong Kong? Cheers.

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Please email [e-mail]

[@pc0736]

Done. Thx.

[@cyberblade11]

will this setup work on a m235i? or do you recommend something else

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Yes it will work on an M235i, we have a few customers with them now and they're all very happy!

[@cyberblade11]

@@EvolveAutomotive does adaptive buttons stop working with these installed?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

@@cyberblade11 not all. They function as normal

[@ianmitchell9102]

Just watched Joe’s video, he seems very impressed which is good enough for me. How much we talking for a set on an M240i please ?

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Please shoot us an email with your location and if you need it fitted etc [e-mail] 👍

[@mozza7189]

Kung Tita does your 240 bounce a lot. Mine does and it’s really irritating.

[@ianmitchell9102]

Mozza I’ve got the eibach springs it’s ok but not perfect as far as bouncing around goes

[@Bestwick1983]

@@mozza7189 Are you on passive suspension? I'm passive with AC springs and the ride is terrible on rough roads :(

[@mozza7189]

Bestwick1983 passive with factory fitted springs. Used to have a 235i before this one with adaptive and the ride was much better in the 235. This one just seems to bounce around a lot more.

[@dom_99_]

light up sketchers

[@EvolveAutomotive]

Supreme x Sketchers collab bet

[@damianlowe7808]

Uk roads are awful. Sounds like this is the kit for the job!

[@01pabz]

Personally i think the wheels don’t suite the car get some new rims joe!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Give me £4-5k and I will

[@ianm4316]

Might have washed his car before he took it in (facepalm)