Evony TKR - Singh's Refine Guide

[@starlord6152]

PLEASE, Bring out more content like this if you can mate, youll be the leading expert of all the Evony content creators, theyre ok... but they arent who i want to learn from. please take this under advisement, if you have the time. i send all my guys to your channel! if you had more educational content across every aspect of Evony TKR theyd eat it up! as would i. even knowing most of it already, you're my go to guru bro! Thx :) i learned and continue to learn so much from your BF videos

[@kopking3936]

singh you are the best and honest player in this game only by watching your videos i have learn so much and for that i thank you we love you singh

[@mn4040]

I have to be honest, my first video of yours that I watched felt like I was watching a different game. You are on a whole different level. But I’ve kept watching because I learn something every single time. This video should be required watching for evony tkr. Glad I stumbled across your videos. Keep doing what you do…off the cuff is working, so why mess with it? 🤣🤷🏼‍♀️

[@nICkY2099108]

Bro... This is exactly the thing I say about refines. This was an absolutely perfect video on explaining refines. Thanks alot. I will share this to my alliance. Superb job 🍻🍻🍻

[@RedEvony]

Hi Singh. I feel a bit differently about the refining strategy, but I really like the way you were able to conceptualize refining, especially with the math. Nice job!

[@dopemantra302]

what is your refining strategy ?!?

[@RedEvony]

@@dopemantra302 I tend to focus more on getting the general (and the refines) useable, as opposed to perfect (20%+). That is because of how differently I view the impact of Time when talking about refining.

[@trptkrazed]

You channel (Red Evony) and Signh's channels are my go to for learning. I've used a lot of your strategies to grow my keep and have shared you with my alliance. We are all very grateful for the time you've both spent putting out content.

[@starlord6152]

its nice to see someone who speaks my language.. Keep kicking A$$ bro! - StarLord out!

[@stormzy6238]

Wow i haven't done any refine yet still new to the game. But thanks, that was a good video. Thanks for explaining 😊 .

[@Wuanie]

You always amaze me with these videos

[@TheSwamp_Fox]

More great content. The other Evony content creators should just make videos to link people to your videos and be done with it. Thanks for your contribution to the community.

[@evonysingh7114]

hahah thank you man! You're very welcome, I'll keep it up as much as I can

[@InfamousJYD]

i might just do that on my next one because that was too funny

[@evonyplays8888]

Thanks for explaining I'm doing wrong now I know how to use refine.

[@gujjargaming852]

Thank you very much , really appreciated , please bring more videos like this

[@kenwright4205]

Tyvm that was the best explanation I have received. It helped me tremendously

[@fili593]

Great video, waiting for more stuff, thank you!

[@evonysingh7114]

For sure you're very welcome!

[@UWAIS_941]

HEY BOSS... YOUR "RAMBLES" ARE MY FAVORITES... I HAUL CRUDE OIL AND WHILE DRIVING HAVE LISTENED TO YOUR VIDS REPEATEDLY TO HAMMER THE INFO INTO MY BRAIN... LATER I SHARE LINKS AND IDEAS WITH MY SERVER AND ALLIANCE 🏆 KEEP RAMBLING!!

[@Starprizm]

I don't think the probability distribution of refine % values is uniform within the range specified by the equipment, which is something you presuppose when you specify a 1/5 chance of rolling above 20% on Achaemenidae equipment. If this were the case, the probability of seeing any particular roll above 20% (or analogously high flat values in the given range) on a piece of Acha gear with no lines locked would be 0.59, so we should be seeing lines rolling above 20% slightly more often than not on these rolls, when in reality high values are rare altogether. The idea floating around that high valued rolls tend to yield higher valued re-rolls may be an indication that the probability distribution is not even static, but rather a function of the rolls already in place. Would be interesting to test this properly.

[@evonysingh7114]

Hmm... could you elaborate? I'm interested in your perspective. In my opinion, the proper math is: 11 skills can be rolled. Attack skills can be flat or %, so that's 15 skills. So it's 1/15 to land the desired skill in the example, range attack %. then if we break down the % into brackets of 5%s, we we have a 1/5 chance of landing above 20%. so that's (1/15) * (1/4). Then you mulitply that times the number of open slots you are rolling for. My argument is - do not lock early, be greedy for high refines while you have more slots to work with and stick to your minimums in order to not have to reroll in the future.

[@Starprizm]

@@evonysingh7114 What I'm unsure of is that there is an equal chance to land any value within the possible range of a skill in any particular roll -- i.e. that there is an equal 1/5 chance that a roll will land in any particular fifth bracket for whatever skill. If that were the case, the chance of a slot rolling BELOW the top bracket would be 4/5. If you have four slots unlocked, the chance of ALL of them rolling below the top bracket is 4/5 x 4/5 x 4/5 x 4/5 = 0.4096, and conversely the probability that ANY ONE of the four slots rolls within the top bracket is 0.5904, so slightly more often than not. In reality, rolls in the top bracket are rare altogether, suggesting that the probability of a roll landing in the top bracket is much lower than the probability of it landing on any of the other four. Not exactly surprising given that Evony wants you to drop mad coin for refine stones. This doesn't change your advice, if anything it makes it more crucial because high rolls are harder to get, but if I'm right then the chance of rolling a 20%+ ranged attack on a fresh Ares/Acha bow is significantly lower than 5%, and the average number of refine stones required to perfect a piece of gear is much higher than 33k. What would be interesting to find out is if there is any merit to the idea floating around that slots with high values (regardless of what skill is there) yield higher valued rerolls, because that would affect the strategy for optimal refining.

[@kingofbytes]

@@Starprizm got to concur with Bruno. Singhs advice is sound. Evony has their fingers on the scale. And why wouldn't they? I wish I could believe it's just a random number generator on the back end. Everyone in my alliance would kill to have the random distribution but the anecdotal evidence suggests it's always more than these logical statistics would suggest. And thanks Singh for this content. It is worthwhile understanding even if Evony has their finger on the refining scale.

[@Icemate210]

Can you please make a video on how to refine a wall general gear correctly. What refinements we should be look for and thanks for the great content.

[@sandeepkainth3278]

Make such vlogs often for user like me to learn more everyday

[@evonysingh7114]

Sure thing!

[@113_vaibhavdubey4]

Thank you

[@zhangkevin9533]

This video is so practical, save my badly math Nice done~

[@schniezelIX]

Only good rolsl i ever get are for troop load, FML. Thanks for the vid.

[@evonysingh7114]

I feel you xD

[@terencepalmer7414]

Thanks mate. Awesome makes so much sense. Can you and the mail details here?

[@evonysingh7114]

I have it somewhat written out here: 1/16 chance to land Range Attack % when refining. 1/5 chance to land in the 20-25% bracket. This means there is a (1/16) x (1/5) = 1/80 chance to get a range attack % of 20% - 25% when refining for 1 slot at a time. If you are refining for 4 open slots at the same time, that is (1/80) x 4 = 1/20 chance of getting a range attack % of 20% - 25%. So that's 20 attempts x 200 refines = 4,000 refines. 3 open slots = (1/80) x 3 = 1/26.66 chance. 26 attempts on average, 5,333 refines. 2 open slots = (1/80) x 2 = 1/40 chance. 40 attempts = 8,000 refines on average. 1 open slot = 1/80 = 80 attempts = 16,000 refines on average.

[@99-Bullets]

informative

[@anthonyg6083]

Very very good information here. Sharing with Alliance right now 😂

[@harshitdubey3743]

hi king we want svs highlights

[@grahamcairns2249]

I did this the wong way and am kicking myself as I write this

[@tkmair6559]

Today in Nov 22 if you lock any refines, the next roll will cost gems. 2k with 1 locked, 4k with 2 locked, and 6 freaking k gems with 3 locked. So sad I didn't have ares and acha ability before the gems cost was added. 😭

[@leesmith2092]

Wish I had seen this 6 months ago.

[@ElmogramSayed]

excellent ♥

[@edgarpaz7013]

Sou do Brasil e estou adorando seu canal. Mande um abraço para Teacher e Mist antigos jogadores do servidor 222 que estão em sua aliança no servidor 302 RSP

[@kilbilmad]

the gems is a bigger problem than the stones

[@unclerawn4017]

dude, you're good. you should have a youtube chat with ghengis. that would be awesome

[@ryanjoor6397]

The refining is pretty simple to figure out,the newest refine system is being a real pain in the a$$. I've mostly gotten luck & have achieved triple 29s or a 30% here & there. This new system is way screwy though

[@s1301950]

lol :) great math there. and then you look at civ gears. 30% max, so it's 1/6 to get above 25%, instead of 1/5 to get above 20%... and now on top of gems to lock, you need gold and more refining stones.

[@evonysingh7114]

You're 100% right! More evony greed wooo 😑

[@InglisurisGakvetilebi]

Singh, I was begging u yeaterday to accept my requeat to join in ur alliance, but I was rejected...

[@TheSistersGoShopping]

I have absolutely no knowledge of equipment refine. From what I understand, you are working on getting a certain type of refine and that too of a certain percentage. Once you get that particular refine and the specific percentage, only then you lock it. The percentage/flat value and the refine will not change once locked. Also you can get the same refine in all slots for a bigger end result. This is what ai get from the video. Someone please explain if that is so

[@TheSistersGoShopping]

Also what are the relevant percentages for someone with king’s gear. Or should they not be refining? The range is 1-15% I believe

[@yp6614]

@@TheSistersGoShopping i dont care how many refine stones you have, trust me you will always need more. Do not bother to refine anything other than civ, ach, and ares gear. Not even dragon gear, maybe, maybeeeee refine dragon gear a bit, if you cant make ares or ach gear, but dont overdo it, in the long run ares, ach, and civ. Thats the gear you're going to use on your general.

[@TheNetox5]

Could you explain about big siege and t11 siege rallies?

[@MetalShopWally]

yass

[@evonysingh7114]

Will do ! I will make a video about this after next BoG when I have reports to reference

[@bishaldc4083]

Hi Singh! Thank you for this, how can I get this mail? I want to share this mail on my alliance

[@ArifAnsari-um1bw]

I do refine till 20% its pain to refining for non coiner

[@albertsneed8263]

Good game until you get to c27 or so . Then yo have to buy speeds or 96days for a upgrade to finish .

[@dalegreenlee1352]

Therr needs to be a balance on ware the last two or three was rediculicy to strong for my team if you can please equulize it

[@lex316]

I’m stuck on 4.3, I have 100 refines but I don’t have many gems. Doesn’t it cost like 6k gems or more to refine?

[@vytaspuzycki2096]

So when can you accept the whole single troop number as opposed to the % increase?

[@English2Elvish]

5:00 I know, right? :P

[@Ivan_N_]

Hi, I can't understand why all big players hold only percentage on equipment. For example if I refine and get +2.635/2.924 ground defence is it worse than +22/25% ???

[@evonysingh7114]

There's lots of theories about this man, I wish I knew the answer 100%. Generally I can say one thing for sure - FLAT numbers are better for lower tier troops, and % is better for top tier troops. Generally speaking, higher tier ground troops tends to perform better on defense and offense. I'd prefer % over flat for ground troops.

[@longle5630]

please rewrite the content of the letter here, I have a problem with the size of the letters

[@STAR-psycho]

Dammm bro you need to do video on your account show some secret 😅😅😅

[@jhonsondierhoe3071]

Và làm thế nào tôi sẽ hiểu được video nếu tôi không biết tiếng Anh 🙈🤦🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣

[@apapundidunia]

Bro can you copy your mail here, i wanna share to my alliance 🙏

[@sandhukirandeep6177]

Mr singh can you answer is the percentage better or flats?

[@evonysingh7114]

Hey brother - this is a bit complicated - the right answer is. It depends. Generally speaking, % is better. If your'e attacking with lower tiers, such as a T11 siege rally, it can make sense to use flat refines. For range / cav / ground attacking general - % is better. for wall general, you can maybe accept some flat siege attack, and maybe some flat cav hp. Otherwise, I recommend all %.

[@evonysingh7114]

But even this depends on what type of keep you're building - some folks are 10b power and tons of cav layers and would need flat cav hp to protect layers. Some folks are 400m power and are "ground keeps" so they don't use too much cav hp. It depends.

[@sandhukirandeep6177]

@@evonysingh7114 thank you so much brother. I am also Punjabi and it feels very good to see another Punjabi doing good. I tried to add you as a friend in game but the game didn’t allow me because of different servers.

[@dumbdumb9704]

Very poor video on gear refine...very sad...u talked & never show the steps to proper method & best results...find another video 😂😂

[@bishaldc4083]

Hey Singh, I have been learning so much from your videos and I want my alliance members to understand these things as well, can you please send me the mail on text?