EVs Pollute 1,850x More than Gas “PROOF”

[@Supersprint27]

For me, a life time petrol head, car modifier and Motorsport competitor, switching to EV was an instant decision after a test drive. The quiet, the smoothness, the immediate response were other worldly. It was when I got back into my gas car after the test drive and started the engine when it hit me. All this noise, complexity, vibration are no longer necessary. I will never own a gas car again.

[@rusty911s2]

Completely agree. EV's are just so nice for daily driving I'm a car restorer by trade as well!

[@netshaman9918]

+1 !

[@krossbolt4100]

Agree. I owned a AMG CLA45 for five years and after driving a Model 3 I realised ICE cars were finished. I was a track marshall for motorsport in Australia.

[@jesperpedersen1388]

Totally agree I sometimes tell people only try an EV If you dare ( i own an EV) then they ask, "what do you meen by that" then i reply, then you want to own one yourself 😂

[@ElroyMcDuff]

Same here. I was convinced about 2 minutes into the test drive. I also just recently switched from an ICE bike to an electric one. It's great! I don't tour or go on really long rides so it's a perfect fit for me.

[@mikeshafer]

It’s so weird seeing Luddites desperately trying to defend their gas vehicles on TikTok.

[@williamgrunzweig571]

Ben indicated it was Instagram.

[@bobsinhav]

"I am going to speak up against Chinese EVs on TikTok!" Reminds me of ISIS terrorist memes.

[@JoelHerzog]

The thing I love most about your videos is that whenever someone shares misinformation based on those sources. I don't have to waste my time educating people, I just drop a link to your video.

[@tothekore971]

She forgot to add in the pollution from brake pad material that gas cars emit every time they stop.

[@Gazer75]

It is not that big of a difference. Depending on where you are to much regen and little friction brake use can be worse. The pads and discs can rust pretty badly and require replacement before they are actually worn out. Had this happen on my old diesel Golf. It didn't pass the bi-annual inspection due to rusty brake discs. Dealer told me I was to efficient (downshifting to let the engine slow the car), but in the end not saving money as the fuel savings got eaten up by premature brake disc replacement. If I don't disable regen and make sure to brake hard to make sure the friction brakes are applied, the pads often get stuck to the disks over night. This is of course after driving in wet conditions.

[@bossman6174]

I am still on my first break pads after 130'000 Km. Had to have the discs turned to get the rust of . They advised me to use my breaks at least once every trip. Which is what I do now and now I have no more rusty discs . Problem solved.

[@mowbreydacosta237]

EVs burn through tiers oh brake pads faster than ICEs

[@petersachs764]

I traded my Jetta TDI Cup for a Spark EV. There is no comparison!

[@Gazer75]

@@bossman6174 Guess you live in a fairly flat area with not much rain or winter conditions. Around here the roads are full of salt to keep the roads from freezing in winter.

[@tomooo2637]

I like how Americans worry about heavy EV cars , but drive cars BIGGER than anyone else in the world - massive trucks and massive SUV cars. They never worried when people went from sedan cars to SUV cars - which are heavier. It has been shown in a independent research that going from a Sedan car to an equivalent SUV car increases the weight of a car twice as much as going from a sedan ICE to sedan EV. Ie the problem is the SUV and US truck.

[@antyeb]

@@tomooo2637 I'm not even sure they know their cars are heavy. They just repeat what they hear.

[@stvdmc2011]

@@tomooo2637 hypocrite...usa#1

[@lyfebehyndbars9729]

I call it the “duel standard of criticism” “EV BAD” people are constantly doing it, and my eyes are constantly rolling.

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

True an even the average US acr weight has increased by 1,000 pounds(half a ton), so there is no increase in mpg of their fleet.

[@rhinous1199]

Ya. It’s almost as stupid as Europeans letting their oil companies build out their EV charging network. Plenty of stupid things happening all over the world, right?

[@kmancrx]

Ben, I really like the direction your channel is going. Thanks for debunking these morons.

[@janh-r8h]

❤

[@AlexWall-z5n]

tesla is not the dumbest cars brand

[@analogia_entis]

So you like the fact that to show he is right he picked a study and report that barely any EV critic would support. In debate class they introduce this line of argument as one of the worst mistakes a newcomer makes.

[@simoncove1]

1850 times - wow big number. In fact so big that it’s got to be impossible

[@ziploc2000]

You have to wonder what she thought she was comparing. Do we have to replace EV tires 1850 times more frequently, or are they formulated from pure arsenic? There's a bunch of anti-EV channels making money out of being entirely negative, like flat earthers and other conspiracy theorists.

[@natehill8069]

@@ziploc2000 You didnt know? If you put "gas car tires" on an EV then the car explodes because the 5g built into each tire causes a feedback loop in the battery shorting it out instantly and making a fireball visible from the moon (well, if you believe in the moon). Oh and the 5g tires seize control of your brain also. For an EV you have to buy special "EV tires" that cost $37,500 each, are only good for 1 mile, cut grooves in concrete and are made of radioactive snail darters that are mined (despite being animals not minerals) by naked infants in Antarctica.

[@MrVelociraptor75]

@@natehill8069 Ah finally, someone is telling the truth about how evil EVs are!!! You are forgetting the 13 Elephants killed per battery cell produced - we need their left rear toenail, only the middle one (and they have over 50000 cells per vehicle!!), "won't someone think of the children! err, Elephants?"

[@vincentrobinette1507]

1,850 times more?..Time to get that car on an alignment rack!!

[@robertgreen9614]

@@simoncove1 Only if you can't be bothered reading for yourself, and just rely on Benny boy spoon feeding you your "information".🤦‍♂️

[@yodaiam1000]

I think it is also important to mention the pollution from brake pad dust which is very much less with EVs.

[@vincentrobinette1507]

I just posted that same reply!

[@pgiatrakis]

The biggest question for me is why are people that have never taken courses on the environment and claim to not care about the environment talk as if they know a lot about EVs and the environmental impact of EVs especially when they openly despise EVs?

[@craig8638]

Likes, clicks and views.

[@robsengahay5614]

It’s the same when you are vegan. Suddenly every non vegan is not only a nutritionist but also cares deeply about dodgy crop death statistics. Human nature I guess.

[@zoransarin5411]

When you propagate FUD or propaganda, you simply need enough little gems to feed the bias that many people already have. They then take that information as confirmation of their views and run with it. That’s the job of propaganda. It doesn’t rely on fact or truth. The opposite in fact, it’s aim is to fool and deceive and divide

[@stefanpredl6849]

F envirement that BEV could safe me some money if they would not take that long to install that stupid ground cable instead of the tiny cable that cant handle some solar and other air heatpumps. All the wood burn makes breathing btw hell ^^

[@Octamed]

Because they don't like being told what to do... like 4 year olds.

[@SigFigNewton]

There is no end to the gullibility of a human who is being told what they want to believe. Usually, what they want to believe is that there is no good reason to change their behavior.

[@neilellison8984]

You are so correct their are so many gullible people out there, had one here yesterday told me they will never own a Electric car as they catch fire, showed them the facts, This is per 100,000 sales Hybrid 3,474.5 Gas 1,529.9 Electric 25.1 but no still didn't want to believe it, so just goes to show you, you can't fix stupid

[@mjbates]

Thanks for bringing up Regen. I remember a FUD study that tried to show that since EV's are heavier they'll release much more brake dust and are thus worse for the environment. Obviously, written by someone who never drove or even researched how EV's work.

[@RockitFX1]

@@mjbates I have 110,000 miles on my BMW i3, and it still has the original brake pads.

[@nfzeta128]

@@RockitFX1 yea because of regen breaking EVs and hybrid cars usually have LESS brake wear than gas cars.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

That study also didn’t use an actual EV. They just took a diesel truck and multiplied by 30% to get the EV number

[@nfzeta128]

@@BenSullinsOfficial I wonder if anyone has done a proper follow up now that EV UTEs are an actual thing. Test a rivian or the Ford lightning, or the BYD shark.

[@ziploc2000]

I just got a Chevy Bolt this weekend, replacing a 17 year old Mazda 3. Drove about 50 miles the day I bought it, another 17 yesterday, and have yet to touch the brake pedal except when already stationary.

[@Reahreic]

I'm surrounded by 'conservatives' I drive an EV, and my go do response to their misinformation is always. "When did you become an environmentalist?" or "Do I look like an environmentalist, I drive a high performance +400HP vehicle." It's amusing as it usually leaves them disarmed and caught off guard.

[@rhinous1199]

Lots of misinformation on both sides of the aisle. Like the fact that there are actually lots of… how did you say it?… oh ya ‘conservatives’ that already love and own EVs. There might even be some here in the comments! *gasp*

[@routybouty]

I’m surrounded by liberals and conservatives. The liberals say they would never buy a Tesla because Elon has mean tweets. A few of the conservatives have Teslas.

[@brentsmith-d8h]

Ben Sullins: "Gas cars also have polluting tires" Me: "My entire life is a lie! 😱"

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

Ev designed tires last as long as their gasoline cars optimized tires, The actual difference between a BMW M3 and a Tersla Model 3 is about 42 pounds, and the Model 3 is cheaper and shows the taillights at the M3. This were last year numbrers, not for the revised Model 3 or new performance version.

[@GGameBoy11]

The difference is gas cars never came with the promise of being “green”.

[@tombh74]

​@GGameBoy11 Gas cars were seen as a big improvement over the pollution from heaps of horse manure from all the horses in the city more than a century ago although they probably didn't call them green. Also many gas cars have been promoted as green in commercials over the years.

[@GGameBoy11]

@tombh74 So what you’re saying is people realized they were lied to when gas cars were proven to not be “green”? Wow, I wish people still carried that trait today as new stuff today is discovered like how tire wear is worse then tailpipe emissions…

[@GGameBoy11]

I recommend watching here on KZbin “the contradictions of battery operated vehicles”. It’s a Ted Ed talk and I don’t agree with everything but he does mention these very things. He’s pro hybrid and ev. But he will expose some of the lies of EVs. Watch it if you dare

[@lyfebehyndbars9729]

I’ve never understood this tire wear argument. How the hell does a few extra grams of tire emissions compare to dozens of pounds of tailpipe emissions??? Make it make sense.

[@pgiatrakis]

How about the infrastructure to refine oil, transport the oil and its products and build facilities like refineries and pipelines and spills and tankers and tank trucks and infrastructure fires and accidents and environmental damage and the tires burned up to support that infrastructure and store the gas and oil and chemicals and all the metals mining to make the oil infrastructure and wars fought to maintain oil supply and the ripping up of roads to put in pipelines and the destruction of wild virgin land to pipe oil through. To pay attention to tires is to ignore everything else.

[@lyfebehyndbars9729]

@@pgiatrakis AMEN

[@rp9674]

Play grouping all types of pollution together also

[@stefanpredl6849]

@pgiatrakis yep that 42ton fuel puts some pressure on the road for sure

[@rp9674]

Logic would suggest it's a large force on roadways

[@craig8638]

Tire makers are making tires better suited for EVs and EVs produce much less pollution from brake dust.

[@kalebdaark100]

As someone who presently drives trucks that weigh many tonnes for a living, I'd just like to say that the greater weight of a vehicle does not make the ride smoother.

[@brentsmith-d8h]

I used to drive a super-heavy M1 Abrams, and it was so smooth, we used to play chess on the cannon breech* *this is absolutely NOT a true story

[@kalebdaark100]

@@brentsmith-d8h It may not be a true story, but I do want to see video of someone trying to play chess on the cannon breach. 😆

[@rp9674]

Funny!

[@natehill8069]

Being heavier does make a vehicle having a _similar mission_ ride smoother.

[@robertgreen9614]

All new cars ride like shit. Go for a drive in a DS or CX series Citroen, then tell us how "smooth" your Tesla rides.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

None of these clowns ever mention the 40 tonne gas tankers required to keep their ice cars on the road. 40 tonnes and 18 tyres....

[@Octamed]

I like to point that out too. They dismiss it somehow.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Exactly......or the fact that fossil fuel is single use. One it's gone, it's gone for good.

[@Geckogold]

And they always neglect how the US military being deployed or stationed overseas in regional hot spots to keep oil flowing relatively smoothly is yet another hidden cost since I don't see Big Oil or OPEC footing the bill for our troops. And the military also adds a lot of emissions into the mix on top of that. Or how they'll harp on cobalt mined from the tears of African children is being used in some EV batteries, while ignoring that it's also used in refining oil into gas. At least you can recycle the battery. The exhaust can't be reclaimed, so all those emissions ends up in the atmosphere.

[@qwerty112311]

@@rugbygirlsdadg none of the EV clowns ever mention how the vast majority of electricity is generated by fossil fuels, in many cases that are far less efficient than gasoline.

[@matejmacek5784]

Or the heap of coal needed to produce electricity by EV owners. EV are only environmental friendlily in case of more than 50-70% of electricity is green. Would like to now from one EV owner how the hell he is filling one overnight on solar panels.

[@KaiPonte]

Another great video! I always love the "heavier" argument. My 2022 Ford Mach-e weighs about 1,000 pounds less than my 2006 Avalanche..

[@davegratz5895]

Yeah, amazing any number of ICE vehicles that weigh the same or more than an EV never get called out for this stuff.

[@petermerchant4439]

You mean your small SUV weighs less than a pick-up truck? 😲 My 2020 Mazda MX-5 Miata weighs considerably less than your Ford Mach-e! Again, as mentioned in the video, it's best to compare similar vehicles. For example, a modern Chevy Avalanche comes in at around 5800 lbs. A Ford F-150 Lightning comes in at around 6800 lbs. So about 17% heavier with the same capabilities.

[@KaiPonte]

@@petermerchant4439 well, the argument is that EV's "weigh more" than ICE vehicles. Now, my 1999 Lexus weighs 3600 lbs., which is actually less than my Mach-e. However, no one complained about my Avalanche "tearing up the roads" like they do about EV's. I see zero reason to ever purchase a new ICE vehicle again.

[@petermerchant4439]

@@KaiPonte Hey, I'm older than you are--I remember when nobody cared about "gas mileage" or the lead content in gasoline. Personally, I think it's a good thing that we're concerned about particulate pollution from tires and brakes and things like that.

[@zilfondel]

Mam, I used to drive an 1800 lb Honda Civic. My bolt weighs almost a full ton more than the Honda! However, the Honda was a mid 80s model.

[@D0li0]

I love your debunking stuff... So, so good.

[@geraintbermingham4383]

Thanks

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Thank you!

[@nickdanger4173]

So if the tire wear is 1850X greater with an EV, then the tires will wear out 1850X faster, e.g. 23 miles instead of 40,000. Talk about range anxiety.

[@ziploc2000]

People would barely get back from the dealership before they need to return for a new set of tires.

[@markdeyo-svendsen4151]

We have multiple EVs and have 2 standing appointments daily at our local tire shop for new tires. Anything less than 3 terrifies me.

[@natehill8069]

Picturing a "tire magazine" that mounts to the trunk and every time a tire gets 23 miles on it it is ejected to pile up at the side of the road and a new one is popped into place automatically. Kids on bikes come by after school to pick up the "empties" and recycle them for $20.

[@natehill8069]

Tesla SC stations would have tire vending machines.

[@nickdanger4173]

@@natehill8069 You couldn't make it from one to the next.

[@Angelboy99]

My Tesla MYP (3.7s 1-60m 😊) 4,400 lb versus my Audi S5 (5.2s 1-60m) 4,170 lb had essentially the same Y rated tires. My Tesla lasted me 4 summers. My Audi barely lasted 2.5 summers. I guess the double clutch super charge 6 was a little violent at some times 😅

[@ziploc2000]

There's a Les Schwab tire store next to my local grocery store, I can just get a new set every time I go shopping, if my tires are going to wear out 1850 times faster. 😁

[@rogeranderson8116]

Great points! Look at all the brake pad dust NOT deposited on the road due to regen braking. Then there's the kind of pollution/emissions talked about. The tire stuff may be bad, but we need to stop GHG emissions unless we want more heat waves and floods.

[@WRH839]

The average ICE car has to replace the tyres about every 60,000 miles, if an EV produces 1850 times the emissions from tyre wear it would need to replace the tyres about every 32 miles.

[@Joes_Morgue]

My stepmother's Lincoln Town car actually weighed 200 lb more than my ex-wife's 2023 Tesla model 3, long range version.

[@Brian-om2hh]

A BMW 3 series weighs more than a Tesla Model 3.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

If anyone asked me 30 years ago that a car would be invented that 1. Was much more efficient than gas vehicles. 2. Required no oil changes. 3. Reuires no brake pad/disk changes, and at most once in the vehicle's lifetime. 4. No timing belt / any belt maintenance changes. 5. Better acceleration than any gas car out there 6. You can refuel them at home and wake up to a full tank every morning. 7. Most importantly, Dog mode. I would've thought people would've received them with open arms and the current technology would've been gone overnight. Go figure.

[@natehill8069]

They would have - except somehow (just like facemasks and vaccines) it became political, and that screwed up everything.

[@routybouty]

@@natehill8069 Right? I still see people wearing masks, I can’t believe it! I would have thought the weekly booster would be enough, but I guess not.

[@ElMistroFeroz]

@@natehill8069 I’m so lucky to be too dumb to understand politics.

[@MrVelociraptor75]

Ah but you forget the most important part of a vehicle, it has to make a huge amount of noise, for no reason. So, your 7 points are pointless (see what I did there), nup can't have them - petrol heads, probably

[@otto_schwarzkopf]

Break dust is seemingly never mentioned. Not as high in volume but breathing that in is also toxic. So regenerative braking cuts that down by a huge margin.

[@deanmcmanis9398]

The #1 and #2 best selling vehicles in the U.S. are the Ford F150 pickup, and the Chevy Silverado pickup. Although the Tesla Model Y sales are climbing, and it may pass the F150 by end of year (let alone with a new Model Y coming next year). The F150 weight ranges between 4,100lbs and 5,600lbs, whereas the Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,150lbs and 4,400lbs (exactly the same as the gas Porsche Macan). For comparison, the Honda CR-V weighs between 3,350 and 4,100lbs. Thanks for bringing up regeneration as a point for EVs having reduced brake pad and tire wear compared to ICE vehicles.

[@rhinous1199]

LAST year maybe. To date this year the top 3 new registered vehicles so far this year in the US are (in order): Toyota RAV4 Tesla Model Y Ford F-150 For the first time in 42 years the F-150 is no longer the top selling vehicle in the US. In fact, it is in 3rd place.

[@deanmcmanis9398]

@@rhinous1199 That is fine. My point was specifically about common vehicle weight and tire pollution, which counters the mis-information of the Instagram snippet. With pickups being the top selling vehicle in the U.S. for decades, there are millions of them on public roads today. And most of them weigh far more than your average EV does.

[@SvetzBowman]

Given car aerodynamics, is curb weight even significant in calculating tire wear for highway miles? As I recall, other than low speeds, the hood/top shape provide a great deal of lift that designers have to find ways to counteract (e.g., diffuser) for vehicle control. The wear should be a factor of the down-force, not the curb weight. Perhaps an engineer in this field can comment more on this?

[@amperformance7998]

I'm not an engineer, just an enthusiast. But you are right to a point. In the case of steady-state highway driving, it is the force pressing the tyres down that determines wear rates, not necessarily the mass of the vehicle. However, for road cars, the mass of the vehicle is by far the most significant factor in the force applied. Since aerodynamic lift and downforce both increase drag, most vehicles, including ICE and EVs, aim for neutral aerodynamics, leaving mass as the sole significant factor.

[@johnreese3762]

Another great factual video Ben, thanks!

[@sjsomething4936]

They also seem to gloss over the reduced particulate matter coming off of brakes on EVs due to regenerative brakes, which contain quite a lot of nasty stuff. Not sure if there’s still asbestos in them, but that dust in general isn’t great to breathe in.

[@Ask4Tristan]

My first M3 SR+ tires lasted 55k miles. Also, can we add in the other pollution? Motor oil which will likely be recycled into bunker oil, brake pads, transmission fluid, etc ... Love the videos. Keep it up!

[@wswwsearch]

Don't forget..Pass the Charmin: Tesla admits rear ends leak on Model 3 Performance trims of the EV may see oil escape from the drive unit at the back of the car-the automaker's working on a fix

[@maxpelletier2237]

Regenerative braking also don't wear the brake pads ... so ... even less particulates.

[@thomasruwart1722]

My MYP also has tremendous traction control so when racing an ICE car.... well, they burn their tires and mine never slip!

[@lashlarue59]

Some things are so stupid they really don't need a response.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

You'd think that but then stuff like this goes viral 🤦‍♂️

[@randygraham926]

That's not true because people will believe absolutely preposterous nonsense if it's never challenged. You must have noticed that .... right?

[@markthomasson5077]

In UK, a major car rental company looked at the actual data…guess what, EVs have less tyre wear than ICE.

[@leegoodman297]

So basically if you do a 'burn out' at every junction you'll manage to make your EV more polluting than an ICE car! I've tried really hard but unfortunately my Renault Zoe just doesn't want to burn it's tyres, very disappointing indeed.

[@stefanpredl6849]

Whit some beef and math you can be more poluting riding a bicycle. Still dont know why you would need a titan frame ever but why not?

[@ФёдорЛукин-у1о]

I did 60k miles on my first set of tires (BYD Song EV) and only had to replace those because it was time for wheel alignment, otherwise I'd easily make 70k miles on a single set of tires before it hits the limit

[@proximaone1350]

I’m I correct in understanding that tyres made for EVs last longer than normal tyres for ice cars, therefore reducing particulate emissions?

[@wswwsearch]

No, this is yet to be solved. Used tires are an increasing environmental hazard.

[@CYBRLFT]

Chill drive dynamic plus regen is even better 😏 my tires last around 40k miles hehe.

[@PeterShipley1]

2:20 if the heavier the vehicle, the smoother the ride. army tanks must be luxurious

[@fezabaydur2821]

To reduce tire pollution we can use flying cars or use something other than rubber for tires

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Or ride bikes or walk even!

[@pgiatrakis]

@@BenSullinsOfficialbut if you’re fat you burn up your shoes faster and pollute more. We need to start asking the corpulent to take their shoes off. Lol

[@johngonon1507]

Yup, they had to release a follow-up for all those people that can't read (or forgot that ICE cars also have tires ...). The study was only on tailpipe vs tires particulate emissions. An additional 500 kg of weight represents a little increase in particulate emissions. However, driving aggressively had a HUGE impact.

[@steveschimleck7148]

Regen braking =a lot less brakedust as well

[@BrianSFischer]

If EV tires polluted 40 to 1000 times more than gas cars, wouldn't you be changing your tires every 500 miles?

[@brentsmith-d8h]

I recently drove to Las Vegas. Every Tesla Supercharger had a complimentary set of spare tire they gave me, and I had to change my tires twice just to drive down the strip. EVs are a nightmare!

[@pgiatrakis]

Probably that’s why it’s not true. It’s a FUD piece.

[@matejbrezan6887]

It is absolutely insane how someone is interested in making EVs look horrific, also it is absolutely insane that how many people believe every single thing they say. we can't have nice things unfortunately.

[@rp9674]

Bias confirmation, most people don't like being wrong

[@0ctatr0n]

Yes brake pad emissions need to be mentioned and counted separately as well.

[@benholroyd5221]

Wait, so the tyres that last me 3 years on an ice car, only last a day on an ev?

[@samk1649]

That woman pretends she has knowledge in automobile is just ridiculous.

[@tziebe]

I guess according to the study every ev has to change tire every 50km of driving 100000 divided by 1850

[@insanvini1203]

The issue with this social media influencers is they content don’t get “peer review” before getting published. Somebody can literally just pull out some data out of thin air or baseless articles and publish them just to fit their agendas. Of course when she mentions numbers sounds like “believable” so glad somebody debunks this claims

[@slowercuber7767]

Most of the time I drive my Model Y around in CHILL mode, and when I'm driving I usually accelerate more gently than FSD would (though I generally brake a little harder at stop signs). I'd wager that in general I create less particle pollution from my tires and brakes than is generated by the average BMW, or monster SUV from "Detroit". But I have to admit, once in a while I switch to STANDARD mode (it had been a few months, so I did it just today while out on an errand) for parts of a short trip where having fast acceleration could be a plus, or even, happily, required. Oh I had fun for a few minutes this afternoon zipping up to speed and around cars on the interstate and later using a burst of acceleration to merge safely between some traffic gaps on the low-speed multilane side roads. I'd actually forgotten now amazing the acceleration can feel. Now after the fact I rue the particles I must have unleashed into the atmosphere ... well, not really, as I said I don't switch to STANDARD often, most of the time I drive like the old fart I am and hope my first set of tires lasts a significant portion of the 40K miles that is my target, but once in a while ... I remind myself of how much FUN Perl (2023 MY LR AWD) can be.

[@tatata1543]

Problem being, it’s the internet. The world is full of people that believe everything they see on the web.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Not just the internet unfortunately, it's the tabloid newspapers as well, particularly in the UK. They've had to publish retractions to their FUD stories, including the EA 1850 one which they deliberately misatributed to EVs. The problem was anti-EV news big font near or on the front-page, retraction printed in small font in a box burried somewhere on page 17.

[@ericschmidt3488]

Yeah people are believing this guy some of what he says is true just like everybody else out there some

[@wescoleman6390]

Emission Analytics wasn't even comparing total tire emissions to total tailpipe emissions. They were specifically looking at solid fine particulate emissions, not gases or volatile organics. They acknowledge the limitations of their method and the lack of data on particle size. Emission Analytics is trying to draw attention to the fact that fine particulate emissions are regulated from tailpipes, but not from tires.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Great point

[@GruffSillyGoat]

They were also trying to indicate that tyre and brake emissions apply to all vehicles regardless of fuel types - i.e. including EVs (which was their point in the updated report). EA at the time were expanding their analysis and consulting business to all emissions from what was previously a more tailpipe focussed one, recognising the tailpipe business didn't apply to BEVs. But the anti-EV individuals just took what they wanted to hear, ignored the rest and ran with the misinformation.

[@Padyatra]

I am not really a big EV fan, but I do like when things get straight. Unfortunately people forgot how to do it, so good job showing this example.

[@chardarr_llc]

For work I drive a Rivian across a 110 mile daily route and only engage the calipers when wildlife darts out in front of me, so some days not at all. The other guy who does the routes on my days off turns regen off 🙃

[@natehill8069]

Why do your employers allow that? Do they pay him less to make up for brake jobs and increased energy cost?

[@MrVelociraptor75]

Well, you do have to put a "little" wear on the brakes occasionally... so, thanks other guy? lol

[@chardarr_llc]

@@MrVelociraptor75 thank the javelina

[@conradfuller6697]

My Tesla M3 tyres managed 83000km (51000 miles) and my brake pads have never been changed. I recon tyre pollution from an EV could be less than an ice vehicle.

[@squin3354]

I think if evee tires wore out 1000 times faster than gas cars it would be hard to hide.

[@danielmarkiewicz8489]

so my tesla is eating tires 1850 times faster then my old mazda 6? meaning i should change tires every 20 miles

[@TeslaFuture-b2r]

Interesting study, but one that could lead most people to incorrect assumptions. I still think it´s still positive that it sheds light on an area (tire derived PM pollution) that has received very little attention historically. This definitely needs to be addressed if we want to tackle pollution issues. What´s pathetic is seeing petrolheads that probably never hesitated to cheer at drifting competitions, NASCAR, rallies, or quite simply when someone was burning rubber for fun, say that this is now an issue because of BEVs.

[@markboscawen8330]

If particulate pollution from tyre wear is so problematic, better ban all car racing. Likely one race at Daytona would emit more pollution than every EV in the US in a day. One burnout by a rev-head putting out more tyre pollution than an EV does over a year.

[@Gray-Wolf-Media]

Ben, I was one of those people that believed all this. I met a guy driving a Tesla yesterday and told him I would most likely buy one if I got a test drive. That was a blast to drive. 😁😁😁😁

[@dboucher26]

My Model Y weighs 1700 lbs less than my Ram 1500, it even weigh less than my old BMW X5 and BMW 750Li.

[@Gazer75]

You should take a stab at John Cadogan. That guy seem hell bent on proving BEVs are worse for the environment than ICE cars in Australia. Using a Mazda 2 vs a Tesla Model Y Performance to prove his point...

[@Rabs73]

The guy claims to be an engineer but spouts more BS than most.

[@waynerussell6401]

He's a used ICE car salesman, and an Australian. Double jeopardy.

[@ronrandquist7762]

Keep up the good work Ben! I'm glad you have the energy to debunk this bad information. It's so exhausting.

[@brucekennedy5274]

Forgive the oversimplification, but if EV’s did produce 400 times more tire particulates than Cars CE cars, wouldn’t that mean their tires would be wearing out 400 times faster? Or maybe these are ‘magic’ tire particles, that fly off constantly and abundantly from another space-time dimension… 🤷‍♂️ I dunno, I’m not a scientist.

[@lemongavine]

I’ve been driving EVs for 10 years and gas cars for 20 years before that. From my experience, EV tire wear has been about the same as gas cars

[@Brian-om2hh]

That is my experience too....

[@petesig93]

Now that's a really funny comparison to make. I was not aware that ICE cars did not use tyres 🤣

[@mahonjt]

I love how ernest and confident she is in repeating the nonsense 😂 it's quite the performance.

[@MichaelSmith-px1ev]

Great work Ben, keep fighting the FUD. We love it.

[@AlRoderick]

If tires really did wear 1850 times faster then you'd need to pop in for new tires every 31 miles. That's on par with NASCAR, and I can't afford to pay a whole pit crew.

[@blake5521]

Can you do a video talking about the manufacturing process, a lot of people say that its far more harsh on the environment to mine the materials necessary for EVs, however I dont know what that looks like in comparison to ICE vehicles... plus would be decent video content.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Submit whatever you find here and we can take a look bensullins.com/fud

[@andreic3019]

That number, 1850, just broke my brain... So, just for the tires alone, lets say their life on an ICE vehicle is 50K miles. For that number to be true, tires on EVs shoul have life of... 27miles?! Even 400 number bring us to 125 miles lifespan.... What?!! How stupid one should be to even entertain such nonsense??

[@Brandon_Olson]

Great direct responses and concise presentation.

[@paulevans7560]

30% more is 1.3x. So despite this being way more than it actually is, where do they get 1850x. If they argued 1.3 or even 1.5x then whilst wrong it could be believed. Not 1850x

[@civwar64bob77]

I guess they don't care about the shredded truck tires I see all over the highways, nor where the dust goes from ICE cars braking and ablating the brake pads and rotors.

[@mensch45]

love these Ryan -- wish Sam Alexander would re-appear too!

[@markr543]

Why aren't they trying to get semi-trucks off the road. A fully loaded semi can weigh as much as 80,000 pounds. Think of all of the tire pollution coming from 18 tires!

[@3089280288]

Why do you people keep saying that stupid mantra all the time?

[@dvader3263]

I just read an article that stated that gasoline vehicle drivers are 2,000 times more likely to rob a bank, take illegal drugs, commit assault or commit murder than EV drivers.😂

[@brianheess7100]

Well produced Ben! Good job! Facts are facts!

[@michaelbrown7142]

Some people simply fear the future and change, but change is inevitable

[@amperformance7998]

Not just fearing the future and change. They also fear the moral consequence. We saw similar reactions to the Prius and other hybrids 20 years ago. The mere existence of these vehicles is acknowledging that there is a problem with our transportation system, and by not making an effort to be better, they are making a choice to harm people more than necessary. They can't come to terms with what that choice means with regard to their morality, so they have to attack, claiming EVs are WORSE and WE are the morally compromised group.

[@CarlosTorres-dq2sq]

Yeap, brake dust pollution is worse the tire particles and that’s where BEVs shine 🧐

[@vincentrobinette1507]

With regenerative braking, any slight difference in tire wear is more than made up for, in reduced brake dust. Total particulate matter from an EV is much less per mile, if you add in brake wear, especially, in city driving. Out of the freeway, cruising smooth and easy, there is little to no difference, since brakes aren't often used, (If you're a patient driver)

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THANKS BEN 🤗 FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS 🧐KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK 👍💚💚💚

[@MrTechysal]

Thank you for clearing this up, I drive an EV and I drive it for profit. I’m saving in fuel, services and tires. I was a mechanic for many years. I know how dirty and expensive cars are. I know lies are the only way piston pundits can win this.

[@ianemery2925]

After going as far as mentioning regen - let's go further, and look at the difference in pollution from brake pad and disc wear between ICE and EV; one of the biggest issues with MY EV, is forgetting to do some hard brake action at least once per week - to stop the rear calipers from seizing from lack of use.

[@billhomer9296]

Well I own a 2033 Tesla model y performance that now has 45000 kms on it and still have 1/3 tyre tread left so this Shelia has no idea of what she is talking about !!! And I also have a diesel 4wd Hilux and flat out getting 30.000 kms out of the tyres ,,, Some people just make them selves look like the fools they are posting shit like that !!!!!

[@brucesobey3406]

It is an ongoing issue for tyre companies to reformulate for less damaging particulates. For instance, there are a number of chemicals that used to be used in tyres that the EU no longer allows in tyres imported int the area.

[@tonystanley5337]

CO2 pollution is permanent and irreversible. Tyre pollution will dissipate in the environment. Tyre wear is not significantly driven by weight,, it is driven by driving style. This can be easily seen in a rear wheel drive car, no matter what the power. If you floor it all the time you will wear out the back tyres alot faster that the front tyres your heavy engine is sitting on top of.

[@wswwsearch]

Lol, tire particulate killing fish is in high EV dense areas. That is why researchers brought the issue to light.

[@tonystanley5337]

@@wswwsearch What a load of rubbish. Tyre particulates emission rates have not been linked to EV, some have tried but its false propaganda. The environment is already full of microplastics and we don't have any known problems yet.

[@michaelsmithers4900]

I’m a somewhat conservative EV driver and just got 52k out of my first set of tires. All for had remaining tread and were still legal. One had a puncture that couldn’t be repaired so I just bit the bullet and replaced all four… I think 55-60 might be possible… oh and I don’t drive that conservatively…

[@AlanLamb-p4p]

Loving your fact checking on these non-truths! Well done!

[@andyrechenberg]

4:20 GHG = Greenhouse Gas. Thanks Ben for doing the good work of fact-checking of EV misinformation. Well done. 👏🏼

[@justaguy6216]

When I drive my mom's EV I like to use regen as much as possible, it's sort of a fun challenge to do as much braking with regen as possible.

[@DazzaOnGoogle]

Weight isn't a massive issue for modern EV's. It takes more energy to accelerate and climb, but recovery of that on braking is very high

[@humnpwr]

She must have got her facts from Fox 😂

[@user-mi3pv7ql4g]

If my electric car is parked in my garage can I pre warm the cab without worrying and fumes?

[@MartinDell1961]

thank you for this analysis

[@pbm___000]

so glad I didn't have to call bullsh*t.

[@360dom360]

Are they against Huge pickups that are much heavier than most evs?