Ex-343 just explained EVERYTHING - I can't take this ANYMORE!

Halo Infinite issues in development talked about one last time.
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0:00 The Problem
0:49 Why Half Baked?
2:32 4-5 New Halo Games
4:38 Microsoft
6:24 Engineer Issue
8:01 Mass Layoffs
10:11 343 Culture
11:27 Wow... Meetings
13:16 Root cause
15:15 Insider said What?
16:19 Disconnect
17:20 Unreal Engine
17:42 Halo 7 and After
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[@abyssgamingyt]

We need people who actually Like halo in charge

[@Valkyrae123]

Microsoft is at fault as well, why would they allow 343 to hire people that don’t enjoy halo?

[@abyssgamingyt]

@@Valkyrae123 they’re probably less experienced and cheaper the higher than the ones that like it

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@Valkyrae123 I mean he said it in the video. Microsoft was being cheap and didn't want to have to pay health insurance for full time long term employees so they hired short term contractors and just did that for year after year for however many years (7?) and this is what we got. Honestly we're lucky that Infinite turned out even half as decent as it did given all this internal self sabotaging that Microsoft and 343 did.

[@xocoyoltzin3032]

Put me in, coach

[@pronoblewolf]

Not just liking halo knowing halo as well

[@enlight_8360]

The deer was a lie Deer Gate?

[@thebozz5460]

That was my final straw tbh

[@randybutternubs4647]

The cake was a lie.

[@Ghostman223]

​@@randybutternubs4647faith is a lie

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

Just like the Great Journey

[@Asmokedetector]

"THE JOURNEY IS A LIE!"

[@jamescampbell6728]

Jesus. What a horribly organized company

[@Daginni1]

The gaming industry is starting to show in other industries like Boeing. The suits replaced the people who made the product in the board room. They dont care about the product, just the fucking money. Everything starts to suffer except for the bottom line; which in the long run also suffers once every penny was made.

[@chromie6571]

@@Daginni1Crazy how much money they’d make if they made a good product. Unfortunately they make “enough” money to satisfy the higher ups. Why put effort in when you make enough not doing so

[@Samuel_Loegan]

That's on Microsoft probably. At least 343 are trying their best to keep it together up until now. Their hardwork shows. Buuuuut, there some...management decisions that I don't agree from them. Such as making their price on the cosmetics expensive

[@bossredd-77]

It's happening across the industry. Microsoft isn't the exception, they're the standard at this point. Atleast the restructuring of 343i is bearing fruit because Halo is a blast after the tragic uncertain road they've travelled to this point.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

a company run by money addicts is like a bar run by alcoholics, the fact infinite was even playable is a miracle at this point given the chronic mismanagement

[@nima266]

"We don't need to make a great game- it's Halo." That has the same energy as we hired people who hate halo to make halo. What happened to the love that went into Halo? Do you remember learning how Bungie almost killed themselves trying to make Halo 2 the best game ever? In the end Halo 2 had it's issues because of the time restraints, and a lot got cut, but god damn was it still an amazing game. Now I look at Halo 4, 5, Infinite, and the TV show, and I am sure a lot of people worked hard on those games and show... but I don't see the same level of love or soul put into those games. All I see now is, "We don't need to make a great game- it's Halo." Thanks 343 for killing something I loved.

[@DoughnutDragon]

It's basically saying "we don't need to make this good because it's already popular" Which is really dumb because the reason it's so popular is the care that was put into it. But yeah sure bank on popularity to make mediocre sales instead of putting in a lot of effort and making an insane amount of sales. It's like these big corporations forget how they got big in the first place. Any buisness should pride itself on customer satisfaction if it wants to be around for any considerable amount of time.

[@justin2142]

15 year old 343 fan boys will still find you wrong

[@silentsangheili4895]

So you want the devs to be put under inhumane crunch conditions and have barely any time to even exist as a human being? No thanks, Devs are people too.

[@justinnyugen7015]

the people who love halo at 343 (presumably at the time) were probably too low on the rung to do any decision making and were shown the glass door once the time came for healthcare coverage

[@DoughnutDragon]

@@silentsangheili4895 it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. His point was just to put in more effort. They can put in reasonable effort without being overworked. Yes people need time for things other than work but that doesn't mean you're slacking off at work. There's a balance.

[@Neves7561]

"They didnt need to make a good Halo game" -"The brand of Halo would be enough" It's uncanny how perfectly these 2 quotes describe Halo 4, 5 and Infinite

[@Jokerminilla]

That ex-343 employee had a plan coming 💀

[@sodasaintcommentaries4054]

343 needs two things: - COMPETENT Management that understands that putting out a shit product = NO MONEY. The fact that they tried to cut costs and corners everywhere is telling. - A dev team that will firmly stand on "when it's done" or when the game is in a playable, enjoyable state. Infinite had SO MUCH POTENTIAL, and is genuinely fun in multiplayer, but boy oh boy did it take WAY too long to get there. - Management that actually cares about the health of the franchise enough to realize that subpar product will assure that they lose their jobs. Companies around the industry are starting to wise up to the fact that gamers won't spend money on crap product. I hope that Halo 7 really knocks it out of the park, otherwise... yeah, Halo needs to change hands.

[@allen_bernardo_jr]

but that's three things (not if you bundle em lol jk)

[@5hane9ro]

I'm not shocked knowing how rough the launch was. Also happy to see Bonnie Ross get shit canned, and the current management seems to atleast somewhat care.

[@Mark_nobody3]

She left after because maybe it was a mess she couldn’t clean up and had to cut a few content for release

[@Alex-mn5rs]

The only thing they care about is lining Microsoft’s pockets. BP is gone, all the new content we get is $20 armor, no new weapons or vehicles, and all the maps going into rotation are made by the community

[@KairiKey989]

@@Mark_nobody3 It seems she actually left for personal reasons but probably part of it

[@RuthlessSpartanB320]

@@Alex-mn5rs Fr. 343 doing dumb shit to this day makes me mad. The Falcon was like literally finished and they straight up Don't add it.

[@tekkadawn6685]

@@KairiKey989 bonnie K she has no family stop it

[@TheGhostofMyMiddleFinger]

That’s what I figured, they’re too caught up with making money that the decision they make are causing them to lose it “We don’t need to make a good halo game”

[@robertellis9750]

How do they ever think this? They literally only make halo, that's it.

[@d0x360]

I really don't think Microsoft is all that concerned with making a profit in gaming.. they are the rich company on the planet after all

[@d0x360]

​@@robertellis9750yet despite ONLY making halo they have released more games this gen than Sony.. Oh my

[@robertellis9750]

@@d0x360 please go ahead and list all the 343 games for the new gen console.

[@schiny2812]

Half the blame is 343. The other half is xbox/microsoft. Lets not forget they layed off the campaign team and are the reason for the contractors

[@zombiekillo61704]

No. Half of the blame is Bonnie and Frank'OConnor, HaloFollower just said that

[@schiny2812]

@zombiekillo61704 i made my comment at the beginning of the video but yes.

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

No. The other half are the idiots who keep giving money to such an egregiously incompetent developer. The fanbase gets the games they deserve.

[@wastelandlegocheem]

Guys, there's a simple solution you arent seeing There is no 343 industries in Ba Sing Se. The canon is safe here.

[@KairiKey989]

Studios in the west really need to take a page out of east asian developer's books and actually keep key people around. It's clear that for long lasting success, you need a team that STAY. That have a clear vision in mind.

[@Jaker788]

Maintaining a quality talent pool and experience is important in pretty much every single company, but it's so often sacrificed first for cost savings. People who know the software well and how it works can make it do new things far better than someone who didn't even help build it and now has to make changes and additions. Building a new engine for years with contractors who only stay 6 months is idiotic, nobody knows shit and it turns into cludgy spaghetti code ham fisted together. It's why hyper specialized crews for stuff like maintenance exist, a very specific but infrequent process like rebuilding a machine can go significantly faster and be done better by a traveling crew who only ever rebuild that machine. Instead of a week of downtime and problems after to iron out, it's a days downtime and it works perfectly after.

[@CrimsonWolf1775]

The Asian developers are doing what Western developers use to do before corporate greed and incompetence took over.

[@alexkogan9755]

Otherwise you end up in a situation like Team Ninja where they ditched Itagaki and Ninja Gaiden completely fell apart.

[@JumpierNewt8956]

Just hearing about them trying to make Halo a hero shoot just infuriates me because I know exactly why they were trying to do that. They wanted the Overwatch, Apex, and Valorant players and they thought that if they made halo like those games then they would get more players from these communities, and completely ignoring the community they already have. They tried to do it with Halo 4 with the Cod community so its safe to say they would have tried it again. By trying to attract other players from other communities they ignore the one that was built up for all these years. Obviously halo does need to adapt or else it might become repetitive, but if their plan or changes activly shatter the foundation of what halo is then they might as well just end halo now and make a new ip for them to use to try and chase after popular game types years after the hype has already fallen for them.

[@holydarkness6007]

part of the reason for that was the moment the started 343 they hired a bunch of people who didn't like Halo in hopes in making it "Better" only for those same people to turn halo in a clone of COD. worst Multiplayer of all the 343 halos Played maybe 5 hours before stopping... Halo 4 felt SO DIFFERENT from predecessors that it could only be called Halo in name

[@93gamrx]

The moment they chose 343 as their company name... instead of say 117 Industries, or Spartan Forge, or Factory 7, 7th Pillar or Thermopoly studios.... deep down, i knew... we were in trouble. They did more damage than guilty spark ever could.

[@CloneCaptainRex7567]

A friend introduced me to Halo like last year and I love it so much, I played the MCC and I was always greeted with the 343 logo, I played Reach, then CE and then I was like.....wait...why are they named after one of the antagonists? I have finished all the games now and im still confused. Cus ''taking care of Halo'' sure wasnt the reason

[@____________838]

“ONI Developments”

[@SpicyPotatoe]

@@CloneCaptainRex7567 I think the thought was that 343 Guilty Spark was the caretaker of the Halo installation. When Bungie split and made 343, it was called that to represent them becoming the caretakers of Halo. I remember asking this when the split happened and to this day, that's all I've been able to come up with.

[@holydarkness6007]

@@SpicyPotatoe Hardly ANY bungie devs went to 343 when Bungie split.

[@raam1666]

117 likes... must... resist... urge to like!

[@DjDoggDad]

As a player since CE, Inifinite was the last shred of trust in them making even an okay halo game. Infinite finished the fight for me. The whole thing didn't feel like halo, it felt like a funeral for a friend.

[@badasstasticusbadass4908]

Unfortunally, as long as there´s incompetent people in charge, nothing is going to change for the better, sure, one could say that the 343i right now is different, but we can´t be sure if all the bad apples left the tree at this point.

[@Finger112]

Until they release the next Halo game whatever that is going to be and see what the reception will be from us.

[@arnulfotab2354]

Watching the TV show makes me think that the entire apple orchard is rotten and the only thing left to do is abandon it and go for a new one.

[@happysfunhouse4388]

343 is right about the Halo brand. Halo will never DIE because its a just a name for a style of games at this point instead of one cohesive vision. It's kinda how like Nirvana the band has so much people wearing their merch who don't particularly like their music. It's aesthetic.

[@mw3killer10001]

The idea of what halo is or should be will never die, but the franchise it's self won't ever be the same.

[@ReaverSenpai]

343 disregarded the key Bungie gave them. they worked with them on the Halo Bible during reach to make sure the vision stayed intact. 343 then said "everything is cannon" and proceeded to destroy everything via retcons. I am done with the series besides Halo Wars 3 if it ever comes out. Halo Wars seems to be the only thing keeping things in order story wise.

[@ALX_6.11]

​@@mw3killer10001 Halo never dies, it just missing its identity.

[@OlympianGift]

​@@ReaverSenpaias a 343 hater FOR GOOD REASON since 2012... Halo Wars 2 was hands down the best 343 game. And the community has zero idea... the game is sadly neglected to this day with constant crashes.

[@mw3killer10001]

@@ALX_6.11 fair point I can accept that

[@trooperodst6880]

Not to mention killing of interesting stories like Halo Wars 2 and not even connecting Halo 5 to Infinite

[@cheyguy1211]

They killed every story. -Weak follow up to Chief's story post-Cortana. Bringing Cortana back as a villain out of nowhere done poorly. -No season 2 of Spartan Ops, then killing off the main bad guy in a cutscene of the first level of Halo 5. -No real payoff for Hunt The Truth advertising -Halo 5 ending on a cliffhanger, then taking 6 years for the next game. Doesn't help that the whole story was ass. -Halo Infinite sweeps 5's story under the rug. Every single story decision has had NO follow through. Most of that has to do with how badly they fucked up with 5.

[@The_Nocturnal_Raven]

The Didact not returning was such a waste. He didn’t die in H4, just teleported elsewhere. Considering what he was like, there was a lot of potential with him.

[@Dylan-xx2tk]

Eh, they didn't really have a choice. Basically they were either had to essentially go nuh-uh to Halo 5's story with Infinite to appease the general masses, albeit leaving a really messy story behind, or appeal to the minority that enjoyed Halo 5's story... and continuing on with a really messy story. They were sort of screwed either way.

[@trooperodst6880]

@@cheyguy1211 Pretty much yes. Exactly. It makes me so mad. They started story lines and cut them abandoned. Actually to me some of I really enjoyed until suddenly just goes off. Really upsetting what 343 did.

[@kenji214245]

@@The_Nocturnal_Raven Didn't they hint that the didact will return in a later game just recently??

[@Player3.]

This is really the short answer that has a million other points attached to it: Halo USED to be a trendsetter. Now it just follows trends. The end. Games wanted to kill Halo by trying to emulate it in some or one facet but never capturing the entirety of, “the dance.” OG Bungie would’ve flipped the bird at MS had they told them, “Make it into a hero shooter.” The very idea of them even trying to push for it would’ve been laughed out of existence.

[@taylorsgarage5790]

343 needs to be relieved of the Halo franchise. They have ruined it for 3 games now. Turn it over to a company that actually cares about the future of halo and the future of its fans.

[@solosureshot]

A contractor on Forza Motorsport said the same thing about its development. A revolving door of employees that left every 6 months a new person had to be trained on everything they had already done and had no experience on the game.

[@andyhbo86]

Hmm I wonder what the common denominator here is... 🤔

[@TheNewFNShow]

It's crazy to think they thought they just needed to slap the name on a box and it would make money. You would think if they knew they were going to spend millions making the game they'd do it right and their investment would pay off when people played a working product. Then again the Bonnie and Frank were complete morons who never did a single thing right.

[@ThornEternal]

Honestly Frank probably tried as much as he could and was limited. He was one of the few OG Bungie people. Albeit he had nothing to do with actually making the game at that point of his career. I'm not certain however. I just hope Certain Affinity comes in clutch they've been doing all the good stuff since Reach including the Reach CE multi player update. So we'll see

[@GhostofNykr]

Still no alien weapon cosmetics or for alien vehicles but the human focus and not knowing how to work the code as contractors

[@TheRafark]

343 have always wanted to make halo a call of duty. They don’t care about the alien stuff

[@EbrybodyLuvTony]

@@TheRafarkhalo 4. Cosmetics to covenant and promethean weapons

[@EastlakeRasta7]

​@@EbrybodyLuvTony basic Unforgettable 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@BigBrosFilms]

Wait why do you care about the aliens? The covenant? The prophets? THE ARBITER? NO! None of that is cool you want SPARTANS SPARTANS SPARTANS SPARTANS SPARTANS. - 343 Industries

[@GhostofNykr]

@@BigBrosFilms basically

[@josephsaga]

Haven’t you guys notice that every new halo game release from 343 are always unfinished? It’s like they release a game in beta phase and forcing us to pay full price or force us to stay in gamepass paying every month. They got the nerve to put a microtransaction even though the game is not complete. All their updates and season release are supposed to be in the day 1 release but they make us wait for 3 years to get it….I bet in the next halo game will be the same……we blamed Bonney Ross but in reality it’s Microsoft

[@noahlee716]

Yes it’s a business model , it’s not a mistake at all

[@AngelofDeath333]

You should look at what Bungie been doing with Destiny 2. They told their players to go F themselves. Literally forcing players to re-buy the game every year at $150. Seasonal content get vaulted and you never get a chance to finish it. Best way to finish a season pass is $130. They also said “fuck what the players think we are making destiny gay”

[@AngelofDeath333]

Would you rather wait for content or scream and cry day 1 when it’s full of bugs and don’t work?.

[@____________838]

@@AngelofDeath333we did wait.

[@AngelofDeath333]

@@____________838 yeah and the content was good. I feel like a lot of Halo Fans just want another Halo 5 with the graphics and gameplay as Halo CE.. ontop of all the bugs that’ll never get fixed

[@musicwarrior7630]

ok i harp on infinite and 343 all day long but my love for halo has not diminished. mcc, halo wars 1 and 2 are fantastic heck i even enjoyed halo 4. i just want quality halo, a game that feels like halo and i dont care who makes it jsut as its quality halo

[@EtherealBias]

Mine has unfortunately. I was introduced to halo 2 back in 2004, and eventually climbed to a 4 star general in halo 3. My final halo was reach although i did buy all of them up to infinite but my playtime per game was only a couple hours outside of the campaign. Halo lost its way 15 years ago and like call of duty, corporate will never let it go back to what it was.

[@LKN117]

@@EtherealBias I love the premise of Infinite. It makes sense for the games to be open world. Spartans who normal can approach missions how they please and as expansive as the Halo universe is why wouldn't it be? But like you I've only spent a few hours outside the story since Halo 4.

[@Icecold15]

My Love for halo could never die I just wish for better days 😪

[@thealexgundam5006]

Maybe not for you, but for bunch of people it has diminished to the point most couldn't care less that halo 7 is on the horizon. I personally couldn't care less, their are other better things for me I'm interested now vs halo which has been failing for past decade in several ways. The halo tv show, mcc, 4, 5, infinite, lack of spin off, etc. Its no worth the headache in my opinion.

[@memeteam8274]

not gonna lie, idc whatever they show for halo 7 i will scream from my lungs for people to not buy it. they had their third strike, we cant just say "they need to get it right this time" again and again.

[@xboxman1710]

I've been a Halo fan since CE but after the last few years I couldn't even bring myself the buy Halo Infinite. I actually have a friend that worked on Infinite as one of these contractors. This is a very common practice in the entertainment industry, small studios get brought in for a few months to work on one piece of the production and at the end of the process they hand it off to the next. Now this new team has to decipher what the old team did before they can even start themselves. While some 3rd party teams are able to stay together throughout several projects and develop a strong sense of comradery most break up after a contract is complete and they have to go off to a whole new project.

[@hydrophobia936]

Infinite is fun now but I never played it very much until Season 5. About 2 years after Launch. Old management is gone now but their legacy from Halo 4 until now has demolished this franchise's reputation forever.

[@bencurran3204]

But even in comparison to older ones, its general gameplay loop feels quite shallow, it for me feels like a gutted H4 mp, where it feels directionless

[@ZacTheFirst]

@@bencurran3204it doesn’t feel anything like Halo 4, like at all.

[@ParaplegicKeanuReeves]

I always laugh when people shit on Halo 4......sorry you didn't get what you wanted with the Flood lol

[@ZacTheFirst]

@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves Halo 4’s campaign was fantastic minus some cringe dialogue here and there and the Prometheans can be annoying. One of the best final missions in the whole franchise. They should’ve fully committed to the Didact as a villain, so much time writing his lore spanning all the way back to Halo 3’s terminals and a whole trilogy of books, only for them to pivot and do Halo 5 and all of it mean nothing. Halo 4’s MP tho was not very good. I played a ton of it, but it was not good

[@jasperfox6821]

​@ZacTheFirst Agreed, halo 4s mp was just a cod reskin....halo Infinite feels like halo though and though, but modern and smooth.

[@ois3671]

I don't see a Halo 7 seeing the light of day. Back in 2020 - 2021 all my friends and I played Halo and loved it and then the second Infinite came out we all just moved on and don't go near Halo anymore, best case scenario for Halo 7 is whats happened with sonic frontiers.

[@Tallmedicbro]

For halo to come back, 343 has to go and halo needs a reset or a break. There is too much negativity around 343 and Halo in general and there are tons of other games out there to compete for players attention.

[@arthand7672]

I think that the worst thing about it for me was that they had the best setup for a campaign that 343 has ever had. They had a halo ring, they barely showed us any of that ring. They were on zeta halo which had great backstory especially concerning the flood. They had a compelling followup to the covenant in the banished. And as the game launched, most fan favorite characters were nowhere to be seen so they could be introduced in expansions that also added in new areas and old weapons that were missing. On the flipside, we had a multiplayer with the most restrictive customization that we've had in a halo game since the original xbox. It was missing key game modes/features and was free to play supported by microtransactions. They only supported one aspect of the game, and in my opinion if they had put the effort into supporting the campaign alongside the multiplayer we would be talking about a very different situation right now.

[@TheDiamondTDS]

Well the old 343i leadership was the issue so let’s just be thankful they now have a better leader at the studios now but they still have a lot of work to do to prove they can be trusted and yes I know the new studios heads are the people that fixed MCC but they still need to prove themselves

[@ObsidionshadowX]

There are still the ones at Microsoft though..

[@TheDiamondTDS]

@@ObsidionshadowX true but Microsoft just wants profit nothing more and usually they let their studio heads decide on stuff

[@sodasaintcommentaries4054]

Yep. I can't blame Joe Staten for leaving so soon afterwards. He did a heck of a job trying to rally the troops, but you can't save the ship if the captain is a moron.

[@TheDiamondTDS]

@@sodasaintcommentaries4054 agreed and let’s just hope Pierre Hintze (new 343i head) does a good job once the new halo game releases

[@zealwarriorgaming5315]

I think the new management should rebrand the company if they plan on making things right with the next game at launch since 343i is associated with failure and disappointment.

[@mysteriousremnant9738]

This won’t be the last video rant on halo infinite. Reminds me of the 2k community ranting about the game just to throw money to the next one saying how amazing it is just to repeat the same cycle 😂 Game sucks since 343 took over and it’s a waste of time to hope on 343 to not mess up anything they touch. 343 should stand for 3 steps forwards 43 steps backwards. Play helldivers 2 to end the rants and force 343 to fix the game if that ever happens by speaking with your wallet not complaining just to continue to support a ruined franchise that like many others will continue to further run the IP to the ground like the tv series as long as people still super it financially low key in private but complain in public. Simple.

[@GruntGiggler]

underated asf comment

[@Falcon-Actual]

but I only have an Xbox

[@thatoneswarmdrone6409]

@@Falcon-Actual Get a PC. The best platform period.

[@Falcon-Actual]

@@thatoneswarmdrone6409 I would, but I am severely broke

[@captainuseless2120]

I know this is Hopium, but I’m clinging to the fact that there’s a new head of studio, and he was the guy responsible for MCC’s revival.

[@The_Unicorn259]

God it sucks. Halo is such a vast, detailed universe with endless possibilities for potential but nobody can seem to get it right. Things need to change.

[@DarkcIoud1111.]

I liked the style of the campaign with you being able to go out and explore in between major plot points. However it felt like I missed a full game with all the major events that must of happened between Halo 5 and Infinite that never felt fully explained.

[@sekiko7183]

We need to bring back: - Joseph Staten - Martin O Donnell - Jason Jones All at the same time. They made Halo fun and memorable from the story and even the gameplay.

[@zalrohglekgolo6149]

You're behind the times. Jason Jones was basically removed from Halo as early as 2006, according to other recent interviews with Bungie devs about him. Jones also sided with Activision against Bungie to remove content out of destiny before launch, and his work on the reboot of marathon is hated by playtesters because Jason Jones is out of touch. Marty O'Donnell basically doesn't know what he's doing anymore, he's made comments about Halo that are actually untrue to make weird points. Joe is actually pretty good but he left Halo for Microsoft, and then came back and quit again.

[@Jaker788]

Joe Staten still works for Microsoft I'm pretty sure. His job title since he joined was basically a traveling project manager. He doesn't work at any specific studio but goes to different projects usually towards the end the help assist in organization and management before release. What he did at 343 was just another assignment, and when he left he decided that assignment was complete. I don't believe it was ever meant to be permeant in the first place and he stayed longer than usual. Marty has is stuck in the past with the ego he got from Halo, and now he's going political. Now the rumors of him being a bad worker during Destiny make sense. Definitely don't want him working on Halo@@zalrohglekgolo6149

[@JustSomeCritic7777]

@@zalrohglekgolo6149 Could you give me a link to the interviews about Jason Jones?

[@Ace-qg8yz]

@@zalrohglekgolo6149 apparently Joe actually got booted. Source is from Big Boss video though thats a bit old

[@zalrohglekgolo6149]

@@Ace-qg8yz Joe got booted by Jones, who railed against him basically from the beginning, but it feels more like Joe wanted to get out

[@Turbofest]

I'm done with Halo. Haven't played Infinite for the past year and a half or so. I don't want to do this but I think most of the community feels the same. 343 had their chance. I'm DONE. Stop falling for it guys. Why? STOP BUYING THEIR GAMES.

[@luckytaytay9445]

Mp is a pretty darn good time been in my rotation the last year.

[@daniel_ferrell]

Feel yea.. been over two years since I last logged in to Halo.

[@thatsoulsguy3028]

Don’t need to MP is free. And it’s better than it was at launch the core gameplay has always been fun Tbf I just came back after over a year break and I’m honestly enjoying it

[@Turbofest]

@@thatsoulsguy3028 Ah yes, the "it's a free game" outdated argument. Sorry for having high standards. How dare I!

[@chaosgaming3297]

on the topic of reach loadouts, I think they were good for certain things, Invasion being a prime example, being able to unlock new starting weapons and abilities after the game progressed was pretty spot on. Though for something like slayer, spawning with the ability to use active camo or a jetpack did feel a little weird.

[@ByronBohte]

Buddy, the trust is already gone

[@SparrowEmpire]

As long as 343/Microsoft make Halo, you'll always have these videos to make. It's always been this way with them, and it always will.

[@2kool4rock]

As it stands right now, I don't see how the next Halo game could POSSIBLY improve upon what we come to expect from a 343i / Microsoft product. You can use a different engine, employ new staff, go in a new direction, and it STILL won't stick the landing. I see a fundamental culture issue at the core of how this studio and franchise has been managed, and you just can't fix that without having a central figure to make sure specific tenants that make Halo special are followed without straying into modern gaming pitfalls. Halo used to be the trend setter now its just following trends. I'm personally not hyped for the next Halo because the people in charge still seem to have an identity crisis over what Halo is at its core, and you can't make a good Halo game if your focus is not centered on the original formula.

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

I think you're on the money. In fact, it's the only way possible for 343 to make an actual Halo title. It's also the least likely outcome.

[@SH4D0WdaN0V4]

Honestly though the management wasn’t even wrong. No matter how much we want to act like it wasn’t a success or people just walked away, it did enough. Halo Infinite made enough and did enough until it became irrelevant for the people handling the money. Same with the Halo TV show, it is absolute slop but people are eating it up anyway in heaps. It’s established enough with enough loyal spenders that it doesn’t matter if the game is great, sure it could become extremely successful if done well, but why take the risk when you can spend less to make good money and have micros? It is too established so now it has no chance.

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

Bingo.

[@pixelatedmess9269]

Honestly, a part of me prays we can oneday go full scorthed earth and just restart the series from 3 with a different studio. I don't hate any of the 343 games but I feel like everything in modern halo design, story and even concept wise is just so messy and unorganized to the point where there really isn't even that much thats worth saving from 343 Halo.

[@moony1289]

Helldivers 2 isnt free to play, just a note.

[@memeteam8274]

not gonna lie, idc whatever they show for halo 7 i will scream from my lungs for people to not buy it. they had their third strike, we cant just say "they need to get it right this time" again and again.

[@terrellcole7633]

"If you can get hired for Halo and put that on your resume, you can get hired for anything" And that right there tells you just how important this franchise is. To treat it the way that management at Microsoft and 343 did is nothing short of egregious.

[@TheCrispyForge]

Something I strongly relate to is that you said you are tired of just seeing and talking about how depressing the state of Halo is. I know that Halo isn’t what it used to be and I know it will never return to that state but I don’t want to keep focusing on the negatives. Let’s enjoy what we do have like Halo MCC. People don’t have to be positive all the time but they sure as heck don’t need to be negative either.

[@adri.progression]

Yup! Also, I enjoy memes and HaloBoxStudios content, he's a great Machinima channel

[@RyanChase-px2nc]

People who miss the plasma rifle 👇😔

[@pepegandattv]

Member that scene from halo were guilty spark was "THIS RING IS MINE" Yeah, sometimes i really wish we could use a laser on the 343 inspired titles

[@MrGrandure]

I wanted so bad to believe in 343. I stuck with them through the ending of halo 4, completely buying into the Didact only for him to not come back for halo 5. I restarted with Mike Colter with halo 5, fully invested and waiting on halo 6....only to have the epic Cortana takes over the universe story get glazed over to end up playing infinite...a game that once again has no connection to the previous games not to mention the free to play model. I for one am done with 343. I'm not doing this again. I need to ho and cope. Lol

[@dankusmemeus7093]

I’m honestly surprised they released a campaign at all. These day game devs only care about their salary they could care less about making good games

[@JonStark117]

*We knew this though…from the top down…leadership was completely incompetent and had no idea how to manage a company. There was complete incompetence across the board. They got comfortable in their positions with an A+ Title in Halo and relied on its popularity to carry their negligence. Microsoft and 343 choosing to go cheap…and not investing into quality employees and give them appropriate wages/benefits. They ended up costing themselves hundreds of millions more dollars in delays because of it. It’s just the epitome of greed and incompetence that’s taking place across the gaming industry. The amount of layoffs and wasteful spending just so the people at the top and reap all the profits is disgusting. One of the reasons that BUNGIE was so successful in creating Halo 1 through Reach was that it was not only a company…it was a COMMUNITY. They had inside jokes that they included with the fans, they loved and butted heads like a family all in the name of creating the best game possible. It seems like Microsoft/343 has shifted gears and has actually removed a lot of the leadership and has invested into more developers. Everybody at 343 NOW seems to be much more energized and optimistic moving forward compared to years in the past. Halo 7 truly needs to be a home run in order to gain the trust back from the fanbase.*

[@haveljohnson3799]

Top corporate suits are genuine morons, a brand doesn’t sell itself if it loses faith from the fans quite like Halo has.

[@MrHerky61]

I’m a software engineer in an unrelated field, all these issues sound so familiar to me. It’s an issue in the whole industry.

[@Cute_Maxi]

343 needs to be abolished, a new independent studio created and fill it to the brim with real Halo fans who happen to also be good at their jobs... call the studio "Didact"

[@wiktorb6846]

Nice

[@MrGrandure]

Lol

[@evansuarez5432]

I agree but I disagree with “Didact”. Not only does it represent the failed 343 era of Halo but the didáctica was a failure of a villain.

[@sodasaintcommentaries4054]

Nahh... I'd go with Helljumper.

[@DivineSupreme]

We have Pierre hintz now game over the next halo game will be goated facts 💯🔥🙀💯🐐👑💣##

[@soapoy]

If halo 7 can just be a halo 3 style game just made modern day what else could we ask for

[@Alpha1200]

2:00 - I am one of those sleeper Halo fans. Loved the original trilogy, loved ODST, liked Reach, read many of the books, HATED Halo 4, and never played Halo 5 or Infinite. But if I heard Halo was great again one day, I'd buy that game in an instant.

[@schkoopdawhoop7885]

The fact that they ever wanted to make it a Hero Shooter, for even just a moment, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was absolutely no good intention behind Halo Infinite's development.

[@tech-bore8839]

"I'm tired of talking about how much of a failure Halo Infinite is..." That attitude right there is how 343i keeps getting away with their nonsense. Rather than voting with their time & wallets, gamers seem to just instantly forget about all the shady crap 343i have done to the Halo franchise. 343i could break into your house and you'd forgive them as long as they said "sorry, we messed up" and gave you freebies. As far as I'm concerned, if you continue to play Halo Infinite you have no reason to complain.

[@BigBrosFilms]

The fans are so heartbroken they are willing to pretend like everything is okay cause they are just so exhausted by failure after failure from 343 it's like being in a damn abusive relationship

[@ouroboricscribe3201]

So they did to Halo what Disney did to Star Wars? Feels bad man.

[@BigBrosFilms]

Nah it's way worse

[@MarsiB013]

12:52 What story? Literally nothing happenes in the campaign. Standing still and watching flashbacks while the camera circles around Chief. Wtf?

[@evil-wombat]

Knowing Microsoft, they'll skip 7 and go straight to Halo 8. Or is it Halo Vista?

[@_blood_moon_proto_1500]

is this seriously news to people? is everyone forgetting halo 4 was going to be a cod rip off, right the way down to mantling, prone states, ads (which never made sense canonically) 343 and Microsoft don't care, they just want money, they are killing the name, wringing it dry of money, halo is dead, its been dead since halo 5, halo 4 was mostly just a badly skinned, poorly executed story continuation, people need to realize, that 343 is microsoft, microsoft do not care, no matter what the devs want, even if they are og fans of og halo, microsoft won't let it happen and as such 343 won't wake the fuck up people, we won't get a good halo game ever again, halo reach was the last good halo, at this point the optimism is getting beyond toxic, at this point, you just need to give up and walk away, its then and ONLY then when halo becomes worth nothing to microsoft, that we stand a chance of getting a half decent halo, enough is enough, move on

[@_blood_moon_proto_1500]

also the moment halo touches unreal engine, is the moment halo dies, for good, just like unreal tournament, the games unreal wants people to forget in favor of a kid magnet cash grab called fortnite, of which i have heard nothing about the core game since they added a battle royal mode

[@halofanatiks]

Yeah... This franchise is screwed.

[@Sosuave95]

Yeah halo is done

[@TarsonTalon]

"Too big to fail" is perhaps the dumbest phrase anyone has uttered. They do realize, the fatter someone gets, the more likely they'll get cardiac arrest, right? Also, wasn't there a saying, "The bigger they are, the harder they fall"?

[@abimaelochoa160]

Oh halo fan right here. Hardest difficulty was a memorable bliss from 1, 2, 3, ODST, and reach. Anything past that, was heartbreakingly terrible

[@DrPlans]

its sad because they nailed possibly the hardest part of developing a shooter: the actual gameplay mechanics. they were fun. that in and of itself is an accomplishment. yet they failed on the other aspects which would have made the game great. customization, game modes, proper networking code, social scene, updates, etc. its hard to swallow knowing they got one of the hardest parts of gameplay development down and choked so hard on the other stuff...

[@zombiekillo61704]

I tried saying that Bonnie, O'Connor and Microsoft were the issue, but whenever I did I got called a lair by people here and was told I wasn't a fan. I believe I am owed an apology

[@rm25088]

those are just the diehard 343 lovers. The rest of us normal people thought the same.

[@zombiekillo61704]

@@rm25088 What? No they were blaming all of 343 and said that they never should've gotten Halo

[@nikolozeubidze7191]

The unfortunate thing is that 343 was not a part of halos birth, it's like adopting a teenager and trying to treat them like a new born child. 343 can not pick up after bungie because they don't understand what halo is.

[@isaact.653]

The only real thing I’m worried about is, that are elites going to be playable again it’s not just about UNSC.. that’s the reason I stopped playing

[@MrDoctor3087]

I wanted Halo Infinite to be like SPV3 and it would be cool if devs made a Mega Blocks Halo game

[@HybridBlueDream]

Whut

[@BigBrosFilms]

​@@HybridBlueDreamSPV3 is a fan made remake of Halo CE

[@Dataanti]

One last time, until the next time :(

[@coregod109]

The takeaway from infinite needs to be: Don't buy halo 7. The reason for remarks like "we don't need to make a good game it's halo" will keep happening as long as you keep buying 343's halo games. They have all been bad but people keep buying them and halo infinite was a commercial success regardless of how bad it was.

[@JonStark117]

*Slipspace Engine was never really the problem…it was the fact that Microsoft/343 created this Frankenstein of a game engine and the original forerunners had left eons ago. It truly goes to show how important stability, continuity and community is within a gaming company. You can have all the money in the world thrown at you but if you’re not on the same page and working with a rotating roster…you’re doomed to fail.*

[@frankieiv3637]

The last Halo game was Halo: Reach. The games that came after were fan-made games.

[@BigHeadClan]

Ah come on halo 4 wasn’t that bad, it could have been so much more but it gets a pass. The rest of the main entries though….

[@BigBrosFilms]

I wouldn't even call them fan-made games! Let's call it what it is. They are hater-made games lol.

[@elytheodst]

Hopefully it’s the last time I doubt it

[@jabzilla21]

Y'all I've been subscribed to this channel for OVER A DECADE! Halo was amazing. It's lore and the old games were beyond anything we could imagine and it still has us hooked! After 2012 though, everything changed...halo 4 and up have been DOA and we all know it. Hopefully the next game is better, but I don't think we'll capture that lighting ever again with out major world changes and entire new teams of people who come in to finish the fight. I'll stay subbed to this channel because it's nostalgic to see the name and hear the voice of the kid (you and I both were at the time) I would rush home to watch every one of your videos to see if there was something new or cool about Halo. You'll always be my go-to Halo guy and I appreciate your dedication and hard work! After all these years, and many more to come: I'll be here watching your back Spartain.

[@stryletz]

All we can do is hope for the best, but 343 keeps making the same mistakes over and over again… As a company they’re fundamentally broken, and while some of the guard has stepped down many of them are still in power. 343 needs to be broken apart, if Microsoft really wants to save money then let one of their other studios develop Halo.

[@CalvinScores]

We just want a Bungie quality Halo game.

[@HybridBlueDream]

If halo was still in bungies hands it would be destiny right now.

[@jordanfrench3295]

343 employees need to unionize. Unions are one of the few ways employees can put corrupt leadership in check. It would have stopped 343 leadership from outsourcing their work to contractors on major long term projects for the game.

[@Ace0486]

Halo games we need: A halo ODST game similar to helldivers 2 halo wars 3 (maybe more similar to total war for larger more realistic battles)

[@BigBrosFilms]

No we need a halo game that's as monetized as possible. I hope the next halo game makes you pay for micro transactions to reload your gun.

[@jackgrove4621]

It was not a bad launch. It was a good launch. 343 just failed to capitalize on the momentum and broken their promises.

[@BigHeadClan]

Think your having a rose coloured glasses moment. Minimum content, battle modes and a tiny map pool, deinterlacing and partying issues, a campaign that ended halfway through and most of the story stuffed in audio logs? Like physically the game ran well and they had the mechanics down pat out of the gates but there wasn’t any meat behind it. What infinite has today is probably close to what it should have launched with just on the multiplayer side. The campaign portion sadly was never filled out.

[@tonypringles2285]

imagine making fun of halo infinite an admitedly amazing game in current year?

[@mattl9084]

Amazing is a far stretch.

[@tonypringles2285]

fine, ill lower it to an above average game. better?@@mattl9084

[@dropstopandroll]

Ye still a shit game. Will never beat halo ce, 2 or 3

[@tonypringles2285]

halo ce is dog crap. and halo 2 you cant even blow up vehicles which is a major downside. halo 3 is one of the best 343 games yes.@@dropstopandroll

[@dropstopandroll]

@@tonypringles2285yes you can blow up vehicles on halo 2 you muppet. there's nothing wrong with halo ce. you're just bad at both games. ah yes halo 3, 343's best halo game they never made

[@NobleHusky]

I think the new name for 343 Inc should be Arbiter Inc. SpecOps Leader : This armor suits you, Arbiter Inc. ,but it cannot hide that mark. Arbiter Industries : Nothing ever will. SpecOps Leader : You are the Arbiter. The will of Halo's People, but these are my Elite Fans. Their lives matter to me, yours does not. Arbiter Industries : That makes two of us.

[@ni1469]

They brought back servers for the older cod games. That’s enough reason to celebrate the purchase.

[@ZR117]

It's not a failure

[@jobomba]

It was basically in development for 9 years

[@rm25088]

Yeah it is a failure. It took 2 years to do anything good, and 343 made a ton of their fan base hate them.

[@mikkelangelokers9965]

Cope. Halo is a shell of what previously was. The lore took a big nosedive, the abomination of a tv-show and ridden with expensive microtransactions. It's a shame though because Infinite's gameplay was fun.

[@mattl9084]

The copium is real 😂😂 it was an absolute swing and a miss and I've been playing since CE first came out and this was the most utter failure out of all especially after the 9 year wait.

[@TRG_R17]

Reply 5, yes it is. Stop letting good gameplay blind you

[@Neonagi]

That advice to management paragraph in the video really sums up the whole issue. And it's also a great idea to foster an actual team by working on smaller projects with the IP. Like what they may have been alluding to with the bugs comment: A helldivers-like coop game with ODSTs and the Halo setting could sell very well as a smaller project and start creating an actual team.

[@tl4836]

The saddest thing i feel, is that in trying to flesh out the universe they lost the satirical charm and inspiration of the first trilogy. That was mostly prevalent in CE, but the attitude of characterization drastically changed when they tried to flesh out characters like the chief, lasky, and the whole spartan ops deal. There was a space campy charm, then it went full bro mode and struggled with its identity in every direction, from art direction to canpaign design/gameplay loops to multiplayer identity to storytelling means. Why are Keyes and Johnson memorable vs lasky and Locke? The characters fit the world around them. They didnt beg to be cared about or have a hamfisted backstory, at least in the presentation in the games.

[@paulmcconnehey5837]

I agree this game had potential to be one of the best halos gameplay wise, But the game still feels like it's in beta.

[@arollingkino]

Man I fukin hate modern economy and corporate decisions. This game sounds like it could of been so much better (and profitable) if it wasn't for cost cutting and profit margins

[@Singleraxis]

People say they want Bungie back, but even they would be incapeable to deliver a product that's beloved by many nowadays. The studio has changed, and so has 343 frankly. The post stage of Infinite has proven that there still is love and there still can things done. I'm sure with of this knowledge and effort, the next game shall be worthy.

[@yume5338]

One of the most heartbreaking thing to come out of these recent reveals is that they wanted to make an ODST PVE extraction shooter. They literally had ideas to make an ODST game that was pretty much exactly like Helldivers 2. With that example especially, Microsoft is absolutely clueless as to how much money they could have made.

[@osalot]

It's so ironic for a game where everyone keeps saying "maybe Microsoft should give it out to another studio" was actually being made by a studio that was outsourcing the development all long.

[@soulvagabond9655]

The best part of having a Halo in Unreal is how easy client side mids will be. So many amazing things made by passionate fans, and so many amazing memes and cursed replacements.

[@Vincent.Morreale]

As someone who works in a studio, this does not surprise me AT ALL. Wish they are now on track with a better management circle

[@Dredd-Mau]

"We don't need to make a great game- it's Halo." The death knell of every once-great franchise. They think they're too big to fail and in their hubris bring about the very failure that they thought was once but a mere impossibility. Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

I remember Halo Outpost discovery, they were still promoting the deer and the vastness of a project Infinite was initially going to be in 2019 when really they were making something completely different and this was just empty promotions.

[@Spyderbrit]

I'm only 1 minute in, and know its so messed up when Follower dropped the "Microsoft tried saving money" MISTAKE #1: Trying to save money on a halo game. You must go all in.

[@Goggyegg]

Halo was bungie game 343 wouldn't have no clue what to do

[@jadoaesra3011]

"tried to make it a hero shooter" I CALLED IT, I CALLED IT, I TOLD YOU I FREAKING CALLED IT. THAT'S WHY NONE OF THE ARMOR CORES WERE PROGRAMMED TO BE INTERIOERABLE.

[@TwentyOneBunSalute]

Having a "budget" in forge after Reach is the most underwhelming features I've ever encountered. "We made the largest Forge ever" *4 different colors of unfillable expanses

[@housbous1096]

As fast as the movement and gameplay is, it feels more like cod...