Ex Christian: "Original Sin + Adam and Eve do not stand the test of logic."

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From Original Sin to Adam & Eve's Garden of Eden, Christianity simply does not stand the test of logic: ex-Christian scholar & Hindu human rights activist, Esther Dhanraj
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[@markc4176]

You completely forgot the spiritual death that happened at the point they sinned and their eyes were opened. Adam could only father sinners because a sinner is someone who is spiritually dead. Justification, on the other hand, only happens to someone who is both spiritually dead and who is able to be held accountable…accountability is imputed to those who recognize their spiritually dead status. Therefore, when someone wants to be saved from sin, they must be spiritually born by accepting God’s Spirit as a replacement for their own…to do that, all one must do is accept that God offered Himself in human form in our place, so that our body and soul could also be reconciled to God upon the fulfillment of such an atonement. The fulfillment happened after the death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and offering (in heaven) of Jesus’ Body, Soul, and Spirit. You really shouldn’t make a video until you’ve actually been informed about what you’re trying to refute. You’re trying to refute something that is only a partial explanation.

[@indranarayansah8422]

I am very lucky that I am sanatani Hindu 🚩🚩🙏Hare Krishna 🙏🙏🙏

[@cassandrasiraganda2940]

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@acediasteffson7912]

Imagine a Religion Saying his people *You are borned Sinner* and worship me so you can be Non - sinner. Stealing Festival from Other Culture and claiming it as your own 💀

[@pavankumar-di6mj]

LoL true 😀

[@p.kprasan5356]

According to the Bible Adam is the first man to inhabit the earth & Adam lived 6000 years ago. Yet man-made structures in Gobekli Tepe (modern day turkey) date back more than 11500 years. The Bible lied.

[@OrangePumpkin150]

Please do not learn about Christianity from these ignorant morons in the panel.

[@OrangePumpkin150]

You have no idea of Christianity. If you learn about Christianity from these channels, then you be as ignorant as those who try to deceive you.

[@fobycoconut98]

Just being born is a sin in Christianity. So, if a newly born baby dies, they go hell then? That is one messed up idea. How can a baby be a sinner? That is a heartless and cruel idea.

[@thejonahproject3972]

hinduism says the same thing but differently, you are ok with Dharma and Karma and humans born and reborn sometimes as beasts, worms?

[@Yogis_BitterTruth_Nirvan]

@@thejonahproject3972 Just because your way is demonic doesn't mean all other way is demonic. all nonabrahmic religions have wisdom and I respect them. hinduism dosent say same thing differently. you have not understood karma. god dosent make anybody sinner by default. people perform sins and good deed and they get paid back for what they themself create and deserve. this is actually perfect system of god. proves god it is not cruel, heartless and imperfect to do such a mistake of original sin just to be make people fearful to worship his ego. this is not true worship this is slavery of god and his ego. your god is tyrant/satan. sins are limited, punishment should be equally limited. but hell is infinite it proves its primitive because it is mathematically wrong. only satanic, emotionless, senseless, brainless, primitive god can send people to infinite hell. now dont tell me god has infinte authority and to reject his infinite authority menas infinite punishment. that's stupid, many Jesuits try to justify their god's primitivity but miserably fail.

[@Yogis_BitterTruth_Nirvan]

@@thejonahproject3972 Now dont point out faults in stories in my civilization. we dont care. we are supposed to extract only practicle wisdom which will benefit in our life. we dont believe nor disbelieve anything blindly. karma is a theory not a belief or faith. we are civilization, culture which have some theory like karma. we are not religion. religions are power hungy politics humanity manipulation tool who want to dominate the world. it's against freedom. we dont convert people. but we can welcome anybody who wants to adopt our cultural way of life without giving up their original root cultural beliefs and practices. they can fuse our way of life with their way of life. but they cant steal our theories and philosophies to preach as their own. we will expose them but the whole world already knows so it is not even necessary to expose them. karma is enought there is not even need of god. for us god is only source of this existence as pure nondual energy which manifets into different aspects of existence like creative, preserving and distroyer, etc. to run the existence. attend some adaita vedanta lectures like Swami Tadatmananda. Swami Sarvapriyananda, Swami Atmapriyananda. gain some real knowledge and wisdom. life is short. that's why learn and respect all spiritualty not religions. stay away from religious dogmas. especially belief systems. which ruin our whole life by making us blind.

[@adolforosado]

It's propaganda so you pay for the Baptism. in the baptism they also make you sign allegiance forever and your kids too. It's like a contract. Yes, it's abhorrent.

[@adolforosado]

But in reality it's just a puya for water purification learned from Bharat in ancient time. Such as dipping in the Ganga.

[@vasudiwannarayanan7328]

A very good discussion on the topic..It would be an eye opener ..for many who are not familiar with the underlying issues..

[@p.kprasan5356]

According to the Bible Adam is the first man to inhabit the earth & Adam lived 6000 years ago. Yet man-made structures in Gobekli Tepe (modern day turkey) date back more than 11500 years. The Bible lied.

[@indranarayansah8422]

Let's chant with me: HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE

[@JIMBO3859]

As in ADAM all die , even so in Christ shall all be made alive 1Cor 15::22

[@vasudiwannarayanan7328]

If your car has a faulty engine ..do you blame the car...or the manufacturer..???.From, the story it appears that God deliberately wanted a "sin infected" people...otherwise why did he deliberately tempt Adam and eve with the forbidden apple..when they were completely happy before then..And to think that a loving God..would curse humanity for eternity...to suffer the "fire of hell" for eternity .does not make sense....If God is a human..would we consider him as loving or compassionate???

[@p.kprasan5356]

According to the Bible Adam is the first man to inhabit the earth & Adam lived 6000 years ago. Yet man-made structures in Gobekli Tepe (modern day turkey) date back more than 11500 years. The Bible lied.

[@vc2616]

🕉️🙏

[@OrangePumpkin150]

Esther, can you debate a Christian apologist. Maybe Frank Turek or Sam Shamon

[@xianpredator8082]

It is unfortunate that she never had the born-again experience, which is a must in Christianity (protestant). Only the holy spirit can reveal these truths, which even the Bible admits is the "foolishness of God" (1corinthians 1:25) . The fall obviously affected mankind at a genetic level, which is why it became impossible for humankind to return without the help of God. Hinduism and Kaballah have similar concepts, so it is not very difficult to understand. The kundalini fell from the sahasrara to muladhara, making mankind less spiritual and more animal. The holy spirit baptism in Christianity is actually the raising back to spirituality. The only difference is that the guru giving shaktipat in this case is not an ordinary human, but Jesus himself.

[@vasudiwannarayanan7328]

Adam and Eve were not robots ..before they ate the forbidden apple..or were they robots because they were sinless????..Infact they were described as completely happy ..and only after eating the apple..they changed...and God considered them as not perfect anymore...So which was better..before or after eating the apple???? Even God was unhappy after they ate the apple..that is why he cursed them..and humanity..for eternity..So I feel God made a mistake by tempting his own creations with the forbidden apple...to put it simply , the concept of the "original sin" created by man (not by Jesus i beilieve) is seriously faulty and irrational

[@jabswoods9123]

karma is man-made not Original Sin. ... when did GOD tempt them with forbidden fruit? ... GOD gave them a choice of being Perfect and Immortal in Paradise, or choose struggle and death falling for satan. Adam and Eve choose the latter. Get Enlightened.

[@jabswoods9123]

karma is a “born sinner”, the notion that some dead man's atma enters the fetus to undergo that dead man's karma, in-turn making a new born child a born sinner ... why the hell should some innocent child go through the karma of some alien dead man ... what kind of justice or philosophy is this? And this so-called expert is claiming Christianity has "born sinner" concept ... can you please show me the verse where it says a new born child is a "born sinner" ... go on hindus I'm waiting ... lol. Christianity teaches every human is "born of sin" (sexual union of parents), the new born Child is innocent until he/she reaches the Age of Reason when their sinful nature inherited from Original sin kicks in. If you ask is Sex a sin? Sex is the result of the CURSE of Original Sin. GOD created Adam and Eve in a perfect, innocent and immortal state, they were permitted to do anything in their innocent state, except to eat from the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil (losing their innocence). But once they were tempted and ate from the forbidden fruit they committed the Original sin. They were not sexually active in Paradise before the Original Sin (Proof they had no Children) and they were Immortal (No Death). But after the fall, Adam and Eve sinned they immediately realized they were naked and covered themselves with leaves. They brought Death upon themselves, their life on Earth became limited ... hence the need for sex/procreation. That is the reason sexual behavior in public is seen as disgusting and inappropriate cause it is part of the Curse of Original Sin. Also sex brings with it greed, jealously, possessiveness, pedophilia etc etc which leads to majority of crimes in this world. Only Christian theology explains the whole cycle of Innocence, sexual depravity, death and salvation to a logical conclusion.

[@aravindkartha5145]

@@jabswoods9123 Karma means action, not rebirth. Rebirth is known as Punarjanm in Hinduism and Samsara in Buddhism. The concept of Rebirth is not exclusive to Hinduism. It is mentioned in almost all major religions that predates Christianity. If you are looking for logic and rationality, none of the religions whether old or new provide that . If you say that Abrahamic religions are true then you must also accept that Earth is flat and there are no humans before 5000 BC. Religions are good to avoid cognitive dissonance, and to be part of a community, but becomes bad when you force your illogical beliefs on others and start asking rational questions.

[@uhura647]

@@jabswoods9123 Questions- What has" Easter bunny "got to do with Easter festival? Was a rabbit involved in resurrection of Christ? Answer - The rabbit was related to a pagan European goddess ,that got absorbed by Easter . 1st the pagan faith is derided as evil then elements from that same " evil " faith are absorbed. Why ? Also Christ was born in Arabia where people have darker skin and hair .However Christ is mostly depicted as a caucasian with light skin and light brown hair ,how is that so ?

[@jabswoods9123]

@@aravindkartha5145 who said karma is re-birth ... the concept of karma is "born sinner". Can you show the Bible verse where Earth is mentioned as flat shaped? ... 🙃 Human's are about 6000 years old ... Do you have proof otherwise?

[@OrangePumpkin150]

Jesus is my God. You are not a sinner when you are born. Jesus said become like children in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. He was saying that children are pure and innocent. He came because no mortal person over the age of accountability is pure to enter heaven.

[@satveerrudra8424]

I don't need JESUS! I am not a born sinner! Furthermore Jesus could not save himself from crucifixion nor his father! How is he going to save you!

[@OrangePumpkin150]

Every one of us needs Jesus. Jesus chose to be sacrificed . It was not an accident.

[@satveerrudra8424]

@@OrangePumpkin150 nope.... Jesus constantly feared death..... Did anybody asked him to sacrifice himself.....It is fabricated story to guilt trap you....

[@OrangePumpkin150]

@@satveerrudra8424you are NOT a born sinner and you never asked Jesus to sacrifice for you. He did that to save those who are willing to repent and change. We all fallen short in our lives.

[@satveerrudra8424]

@@OrangePumpkin150 don't lie.... It seems that you know that lying is a sin? You know sinners will go to hell....

[@OrangePumpkin150]

No one is forcing anyone to believe.

[@amalp9784]

I heard Christian apologists reach you to have a debate and discussion with you and you denied it. If you fear to debate with Christian apologists means you fear that you'll lose. what you do is Goebbels technique saying lies repeatly to make it right. not gonna happen and these arguments are old and already refuted many times. I watch your videos instead of standup comedies its a relief for me. if anyone say what she saying is true then why she fear it in presence of Apologists???

[@OrangePumpkin150]

You are absolutely correct. She was a member of some crazy church and now she is seeking celebrity status by spreading misinformation about Christianity. I would encourage her to debate a Christian apologist.

[@jaibajrangbali9877]

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[@jabswoods9123]

karma is a “born sinner”, the notion that some dead man's atma enters the fetus to undergo that dead man's karma, in-turn making a new born child a born sinner ... why the hell should some innocent child go through the karma of some alien dead man ... what kind of justice or philosophy is this? And this so-called expert is claiming Christianity has "born sinner" concept ... can you please show me the verse where it says a new born child is a "born sinner" ... go on hindus I'm waiting ... lol. Christianity teaches every human is "born of sin" (sexual union of parents), the new born Child is innocent until he/she reaches the Age of Reason when their sinful nature inherited from Original sin kicks in. If you ask is Sex a sin? Sex is the result of the CURSE of Original Sin. GOD created Adam and Eve in a perfect, innocent and immortal state, they were permitted to do anything in their innocent state, except to eat from the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil (losing their innocence). But once they were tempted and ate from the forbidden fruit they committed the Original sin. They were not sexually active in Paradise before the Original Sin (Proof they had no Children) and they were Immortal (No Death). But after the fall, Adam and Eve sinned they immediately realized they were naked and covered themselves with leaves. They brought Death upon themselves, their life on Earth became limited ... hence the need for sex/procreation. That is the reason sexual behavior in public is seen as disgusting and inappropriate cause it is part of the Curse of Original Sin. Also sex brings with it greed, jealously, possessiveness, pedophilia etc etc which leads to majority of crimes in this world. Only Christian theology explains the whole cycle of Innocence, sexual depravity, death and salvation to a logical conclusion.

[@North-east460]

Fairy tales

[@samuelali4089]

May Lord forgive you! People like you had already been predicted even before this world was created! Sorry for you.

[@thejonahproject3972]

the logic from a perfect being everything SHOULD come perfect includes free will and if free will leads to disobedience the Perfect one found the Perfect solution as well. Unfortunately you are now following hinduism which does not HOLD to the same standard!!

[@thejonahproject3972]

God did not say he created perfect , you have it all wrong Esther, go back and ready the Bible.

[@satveerrudra8424]

Clearly you don't have much knowledge and don't understand the bible!

[@thejonahproject3972]

Esther - if there is non sense of going into details and they make no sense, why do you spend all this time explaining it?

[@Yogis_BitterTruth_Nirvan]

So that she can save as many people as possible from this nonsense called Christianity.

[@p.kprasan5356]

According to the Bible Adam is the first man to inhabit the earth & Adam lived 6000 years ago. Yet man-made structures in Gobekli Tepe (modern day turkey) date back more than 11500 years. The Bible lied.

[@thejonahproject3972]

evil starts with disobedience, if God wants to control we all would be robots, simple logic, Esther your husband would prefer that you love him not like robot but true love, this is what the Bible teaches.

[@pavankumar-di6mj]

When you say this is the only way, disobedience bounds to happen. Bible is an propoganda written by church to control people like lambs.