Ex-Mormons React To Wild TikTok Conspiracy Theorist Gubba Homestead

[@featheredskyblue]

I cook, sew, weave, garden, can produce every year, forage (including for dandelion flowers to make jelly), etc. I have to sift through a lot of this nonsense to find info about stuff that I'm interested in that isn't trying to sell me a barefoot and pregnant lifestyle with a side of botulism, and my reaction to this woman's content was VISCERAL.

[@jewelgazer]

“side of botulism” lolol

[@missfeisty]

Oooo dandelion flower jelly sounds lovely 😋

[@valarieholliday4634]

Same!

[@featheredskyblue]

@@missfeisty It is! It tastes a lot like honey, actually. I make floral jellies every spring - this year's was lilac jelly - and they're a real treat.

[@lindseystein9676]

Dandelion jelly is so delicious. Have you ever tried lilac jelly? So good and easy to make

[@floralforce3346]

Girl says you don't need sunscreen and that she doesn't wear it, but peddles an SPF facial moisturizer on her shop. Classic.

[@JordanandMcKay]

GIRL

[@greg-op2jh]

But its hers so its fine.

[@spoonywaffles]

I'm the mom of a kid with spinal cord tumors. Thank you so much for stating the part of shaming parents of pediatric cancer patients. My kid's in the hospital. We're being told his condition is life shortening. I feel so seen by this video. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I cannot thank you enough for this.

[@jewelgazer]

You sound so very awesome! 💕💕💕💕

[@brendaplunkett8659]

I pray for the best possible outcome for your baby.

[@electric_spacecats]

I hope for the best outcome for you. I'm a cancer survivor with a mother who is completely opposed to health care, and is "proud" whenever a person shuns cancer care . .. because "it's poison." I hate that attitude. She has been in an echo chamber with a BFF for 25 years who shuns medicine. This friend's sister is now dead from cancer, and they are "so proud of her for telling MD Anderson 'no.'" This woman might still be alive if she had gotten true treatment. Instead, she drank herbs and shit, and died.

[@kittybear9693]

Big hugs

[@brendaplunkett8659]

@@electric_spacecats To be fair, I did herbal remedies and fresh juicing plus chemo and radiation. I do not know if it was one or the other or both. But survived.

[@violetsnotroses3640]

One of the reasons that cancer deaths have risen is that people don’t die of infectious diseases like tuberculosis as often. When we started curing TB, then people lived long enough to die from heart disease. We’re getting pretty good at treating heart disease, so people are living longer and getting cancer more. Eventually, everyone dies from something.

[@keltai83]

Yup. Historically, cancer is what usually gets you if you survived everything else.

[@kurtgriffin4163]

yeah or ,all of the food on shelves in the United States is literally poisonous and cancer causing its a fact so much so it banned in most of the rest of the world the ingredient list difference between here and for instance Europe is astonishing same food same brand and company but our food has a list of ingredients with chemicals and other poisons covering the entire package while the European version has like 4 ingredients that's not a conspiracy theory it's readily available information

[@platedlizard]

Yup There was an article going around about how cancer rates in Africa had gone up & of course people were like "grr capitalism" and I was like "it's because they have better healthcare now and aren't dying of infections or childbirth" The older you get the more likely you are to get cancer because mutations build up in your cells. Once you improve the safety of drinking water & treat sewage & have accessible basic healthcare lifespans go up, and so do diseases related to age such as heart disease and cancer

[@alexhook9151]

I completely agree, and an added note that I'd like to bring up, is that especially in places like America, it can be expensive if not nearly impossible to see the doctor regularly. Especially if you don't have insurance or don't have good insurance. When it's really hard and expensive to see the doctor, people obviously don't go to the doctor as often as they should, so by the time that do go, whatever health condition they may have has either greatly worsened or compounded with other health conditions over time. Regular preventive care can be really life-saving.

[@samischism]

Yes! I feel like it's similar with autism. Autism wasn't "a thing" until less than 100 years ago. But the reality is that prior to that, folks with autism were just diagnosed with different things, or (probably more commonly) not diagnosed at all. Same with ADD/ADHD. Every time I see people panic that autism/adhd/etc are being diagnosed more often, I'm like, "No duh! We know what it is now! Medicine, psychology, and science continue to advance!"

[@AgentPanda15]

"Detoxify the liver" Ma'am that's literally the liver's job. If it can't "detoxify" then you probably have bigger problems.

[@lanskandal1181]

To be clear there ARE plants that can help support the liver's ability to do its job (milk thistle, for example, has a lot of promising evidence for it in this regard). But the liver is still the thing doing the detoxifying.

[@endor8witch]

yes it can. it can heal itself. heard of toxic liver poisoning? that's when you OD on some drugs and the liver can't detox it from your system quickly.

[@hailyjohnson407]

It's one of my favorite things working in a pharmacy and watching the patient education for this stuff when they come up and ask the pharmacist what liver detox products they recommend. I don't judge the patient, because they don't know any better, but I absolutely judge whoever told them they needed it. Its always interesting to see their reaction to the pharmacist explaining that your liver already detoxes your body and it doesn't need help, and if your liver is not working properly, you need medical attention, not supplements to help you. And that most of those liver detox products are just laxatives that will dehydrate you but are not medically useful.

[@Dusty_Den]

​@@lanskandal1181"can help support" is the key phrase here 😆

[@lanskandal1181]

@@Dusty_Den Yes it is! I used that phrase for a reason!

[@elizabethcarmichael670]

Has she never heard of a farmhouse breakfast? Also remember that it's privileged to think that women in the past were "just homemakers". You had to be above a certain income for that. Poorer women have always worked and raised kids, if the kids didn't work too. You didn't/don't have a farm without the whole family working on it. Cancer was also referred to "Wasting disease".

[@Mimi-hn6iv]

That's something that bugs the crap out of me. It's like people now think that only the husbands were working farms. How do they Imagine one man was able to get everything done by himself, in the age before tractors??

[@Teajay21]

Right like even if women were 'staying home' they often worked from the home like brewing beer, taking in laundry, weaving etc.

[@sodabread7956]

Even just taking care of all the chores for your own household before power/running water was a lot of work. Plus lots of places you still had to keep a fire going too. Depending on where you lived there's lots of places that didn't have power and or running water until the 1950s-1960s. I would encourage everyone to talk to the older people in your family about what the women in your family were doing for work in the 50s.

[@carriepinkduck]

​@@sodabread7956my Catholic grandmother had her first of seven children in 1952. She worked outside of the home because my grandfather's income at Bell Telephone wasn't enough to raise seven children in a three bedroom ranch home in Michigan. It meant my mother was parentified and had to help "with the babies". My mom got married at 18 just to get out of there! The 50s weren't actually that long ago.

[@samischism]

​@sodabread7956 You're absolutely right! I'd like to add that there were pockets of my rural southern town that didn't get indoor plumbing until the 90's. The last person I knew that lived without a fully functional indoor toilet didn't leave that home until about 2015. There are still people living on Native American reservations that don't have access to indoor plumbing, or electricity beyond a generator. Extreme poverty like this still very much exists in America. It's insane to me that influencers romanticize that type of living. *edit: spelling

[@whitney2042]

Breakfast is literally your first meal of your day. It doesn’t matter what time of day you eat it. It is the meal that breaks your overnight fast from sleeping.

[@mommyofkittens4809]

I was raised by my great grandmother. She was 10 when the depression hit and was married at 16. She had 11 pregnancies and 12 babies, 3 survived. She used her cleaning chemicals and made sure I got all my vaccinations. And she used herbs and home remedies and went to the doctor. The good old days weren’t great.

[@jewelgazer]

Oh wow she lost nine babies? How traumatic for her.

[@mommyofkittens4809]

@@jewelgazerI think it was one of the reasons she converted to Mormonism. She had a lot of trauma in her life.

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

And at the same time my grandpa born in 1904 was one of 13 kids and only one didn't live until adulthood. Back then this was a lot more luck based than it is today with modern medicine. One horrible outbreak of something could have wiped out half of his siblings easily. My grandma lost her mother to something that has a vaccine now and everyone in the family is vaccinated against everything we have to be. Even though I always get a reaction to the tetanus combo shot but I still get it every few years when it's my time to get a booster. I just plan for it by getting it done in my non-dominant arm and try to not make any too important plans for at least the week after.

[@astranaut3967]

My grandfather had polio and spent his childhood in an iron lung! He was disabled permanently with one leg 6 inches shorter than the other. My Dad just missed all the vaccines and had MMR as a young boy. My parents always made sure my siblings and I had proper medical and dental care.

[@eljayism]

I thought cottagecore was originally super queer coded too! And then I remember mentioning how cute it was to someone and their reaction was, "Ew no, that's like the tradwives!" First time I ever heard the term tradwife and then I got really pissed off realizing they had taken over cottagecore aesthetics online. Whatever, I still love my little gay mushrooms.

[@autumnssssss]

cottagecore is for the queers and nobody can take that away from us. i still want to rot away with my wife in a little house in the woods with my garden and animals

[@KristiChan1]

I remember seeing a plethora of adorable queer cottagecore stuff in the beginning, but now crazy christians, as per usual, took over a good/fun thing and shat all over it to claim it as their own. This is why we can't have nice things.🤦‍♀

[@starophie]

cottagecore is queer bc it was started by/for lesbians :)

[@jadedbelle4788]

I think it's a sliding scale. One end is tradwives and it runs through cottagecore through to forest/swamp witch.

[@Mudokon885]

I first learned about cottagecore on Tumblr years ago and it's not my personal queer aesthetic, but the OPs who were posting it weren't exclusively queer, even though the few people I followed who reshared it were. Over the years it's become a yellow flag for me. If someone is into cottagecore, I need more information.

[@sarahb5464]

remember when all old people had dentures? The reason people 60+ have their real teeth is fluoridated water!

[@greenleafgardens]

Yup! My town just voted to take fluoride out of our water supply because so many people have been misinformed. Many people around this area get well water anyways, but I have city water at my house. 😢

[@Inaconstantlychangingworld24]

And now with a diet so much higher in sugar than the 50’s kids dental care without fluoride will result in dentures again and worse cardiac health as poor dental health is linked

[@platedlizard]

My grandma grew up on well water that had a high amount of fluoride in it, her teeth were extremely healthy, she had her first cavity at age 90

[@mudpawkendra]

The doctor being sad she’s not a vegetarian sounds like a Tumblr story.

[@mylife-23]

Idk, some doctors push their beliefs on patients. My cardiologist doesn't think POTS is real and my pediatrician I had growing up actually made my health worse due to outdated information and refusal to update said information. I've had dentists tell me something was actually nothing until one dentist was like " you're right, that tooth does have a problem I'll get on that. I'm surprised the others didn't think anything was wrong. "

[@JordanandMcKay]

“And everybody clapped “

[@abbielindell]

As a vegetarian more doctors have tried to talk me out of being a vegetarian lol

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@mylife-23 Your _cardiologist_ doesn’t think POTS is an actual health condition?!?! I’ll be sure to let my POTS specialist at the Cleveland Clinic know that his speciality is pretend. I’ll also tell my purple limbs that blood isn’t actually pooling; it’s just Grimace cosplay.

[@michellewalker600]

People like Gubba bother me so much because part of what they’re saying is 100% true. Whether is Teflon, RoundUp, or PFAS , we have data showing that there are chemicals regularly used in and around us that have deadly consequences. But if you actually cared about this issue, you’d be lobbying Congress to pass stricter laws on these huge corporations that can make whatever products they want and hide behind the fact that they don’t have to tell us what’s in it.

[@moxd9956]

True. being conservative isn't the way to go lol. I didn't even know about teflon until I got a bird and had to replace all my cooking stuff. Better for me too, I guess

[@Just-in-Space]

Ya it’s whack because these folks don’t want regulation. For fucks sake, they say to not pasteurize milk! And if they talk about how bad things are, but not actually improving them just conspiracy and saying well too bad

[@greg-op2jh]

Perfectly put.

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

@@moxd9956that’s kinda how the Teflon ends up in the groundwater. If the companies disposed of it by putting it in the air there would be dead birds all over the place outside of the factories and that is obviously not a good look

[@nuttr2611]

So you agree, are you lobbying to Congress then? She's doing more by spreading the word on her platform than in reality the government would actually do in response to her lobbying. Lol.

[@mybirdsofparadise]

My mom never fed us fast food, we ate wholesome homecooked meals, because that was part of our culture. Guess what. I have adhd. I guess it is not a fast food to blame! 😂😂😂

[@tweetiebirdism]

I’m a senior citizen and I must say, her ancestors would NOT EVER have the time to be on social media. So if someone says they are homesteading and on social media I call BS. Also I have neighbors who eat the greens of dandelions in a salad, and they are older than me.

[@nomanejane5766]

They are homesteading with indoor plumbing and electricity. 🤡

[@tessapal]

Every time you’re exposed to an allergen, your reaction to it can get worse. So frequent “mild” allergic reactions can lead to anaphylaxis. If you’re allergic to bees, don’t get stung by bees if you can help it.

[@cedardryad]

If she's properly canning, she's following the USDA's standards to prevent botulism. So she obviously believes the government when it benefits her. I love how she came bc she's a prepper and i can bc I'm poor af. Having food saved up bc of canning has saved me and my kids when we had no money for food. Her saying that there are grocery stores on every corner was obviously an over exaggeration but she's clearly unaware that people live in his deserts.

[@Teajay21]

I have a bad feeling shes not properly canning 😢

[@hollyhock3848]

looking at how full some of those cans are, she might not be.

[@emmasusan1997]

Re: the vinegar and water thing: household soap was a truly miraculous invention along with germ theory. These people basically arguing soap's usefulness is baffling.

[@Watts_Up_K8]

I'm not at that portion of the video yet, but the issue with soap is that it's stripping natural oils from your body. Buying sulphate free is a good start. Choosing more organic/natural products, rather harsh soapy suds than. I can't see myself using vinegar any time soon (unless I'm cleaning the windows lol)

[@Infern0z2]

​​@@Watts_Up_K8"Natural" and "organic" are usually just fear mongering buzzwords when slapped onto products more often than not. A lot of the people peddling their new "zero harmful chemicals" products are just using laymen's terms to describe the products already used in any regular soap. It's good to show a little concern for what's in products but the whole 100% natural 0 chemicals movement usually isn't totally transparent with what these terms mean. On a label they don't mean anything and you don't have to get the go ahead from the FDA before slapping it into a bottle.

[@krism8470]

As a Greek gal, I just gotta say that dandelions aren’t just a new age health food, they are something that we’ve been eating for a long long time (p much just the leaves though) You can get them at the grocery store sometimes which always makes me happy 😊

[@greg-op2jh]

Dandelion greens soup is absolutely amazing.

[@xladycaosx]

Last year I got some dandelion tea from a Chinese colleague at work! If it isn’t toxic and tastes okay, you bet humans somewhere have tried to eat it in some way😂

[@shadowmomma]

@@xladycaosxeven if it IS toxic & tastes horrible, I bet humans still tried to eat it, even if only once 💀

[@lauraannna2603]

Growing up in a rural area we would fry dandelions sometimes. I’ll have to try the leaves sometime.

[@baticeer_]

Yes! They were commonly eaten also by native Americans too!

[@ipacarrollread]

I’m a chronic pain patient and getting my meds has become such an issue that I spend hours trying to arrange appointments, trying to get medication access and proving over and over that I’m not drug seeking. I just want to function without pain. I’ve been dealing with this crap for 36 years. I’m tired.

[@watchdog8058]

same here! i was in a car accident approx 14 years ago and it has been a nightmare because everyone thinks i am a drug addict and i am not!

[@arianabrrrr]

Its so hard trying to learn self sufficiency practices without ending up on some sus sights eventually, i hate it.

[@insidiouschaos812]

try reaching out to your local cooperative extension if you’re in the united states - they have a ton of classes and resources that are accessible to everyone and they’re usually run by state universities

[@LeeAnnaHolt]

As a person who bakes my own bread, is on medication, and had multiple chronic illnesses, I would like to wish all influencers like this a very "go kick rocks."

[@brittanymcdaniel6408]

She didn’t write “fluoride” because she couldn’t spell it. I’m a dentist and fluoride is not bad unless you’re a child ingesting it or the levels in the water are way too high. If it’s topical use in toothpaste that you spit out it isn’t harmful. Conspiracy theorists say that it suppresses your pineal gland.

[@autumn.chills]

I’m a BPR grad and one of the first case studies students learn about is how the staple of bacon & eggs for breakfast comes from a 1920’s PR campaign by Edward Bernays to sell more bacon! food and health industries in western countries are so entrenched in capitalism, it’s not hard to find conspiracy fuel. But it’s like alt-right trad groups are just missing the point all together & diving into Victorian pseudoscience (bee sting + unpasteurized milk = all natural healing🥲) rather than advocating for changing any of the real issues with our systems.

[@uncomplicatedi]

Yes. This is it. The trad cons hear just the edges of the science then combine that with the pioneer aesthetics they love and sell it to their much poorer audiences. This woman does not actually work with her perfect makeup and clean clothes and NO TAN you can tell she has never worked. She has a team of servants doing all the work and she just records videos

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

Ever since I watched a documentary about deadly things in Victorian homes, and freaking milk made the top of the list, I've had 0 patience for the raw milk crazies. Pasteurization and germ theory is a miracle that has saved untold lives from preventable death, and thousands from needless pointless suffering, rejecting it is MADDENING.

[@greg-op2jh]

100% truth!

[@beccamarie7008]

I let the dandelions run wild in my yard because those are the only greens my turtle will eat, and he needs the vitamin A. He loves that shit 😂

[@Just-in-Space]

Yep it’s great for my rabbit (helps with wool blocks). But it’s still a introduced weed

[@greg-op2jh]

100%

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

​@@Just-in-Spacesome of us live in the areas where dandelions are native and that's where the food traditions around that plant come from too.

[@PetitPoneyDuVercors26]

I'm french, I ate dandelion leaves as a kid in the countryside, adds flavor to a salad and you can make some nice sauces with it :) But it's native here so no problem leaving it x)

[@NerfHerder909]

"Spend time with my animals instead of watching Netflix." Okay, seems like it doesn't have to be either/or, but whatever, sounds nice.... "CAN FOOD SO I CAN EAT WHEN SOCIETY COLLAPSES." Well, that escalated quickly!

[@jadedbelle4788]

As the creator Hannah Alonzo said recently 'tradwives' are cosplaying these roles.

[@alexshaw8167]

If it were genuine, they wouldn’t be on social media 😂

[@br5092]

her talking about growing her own stuff to avoid disease-ridden food while consuming unpasteurized milk is hilarious in a very bleak way

[@JordanandMcKay]

Very on-brand when you don’t believe in germs 🥲

[@thedreammweaver6274]

Maybe she should grow some holly berries cause if she grows it then it can’t be harmful I guess

[@owlgirl1998]

As someone related to Masons and a participant in masonic organizations myself I really appreciate your take. Like everyone talks about the ~freemasons~ like they're boogie men when really it's a social club. You meet up with your friends and dress up and do secret handshakes and plan/do charity work. The only "sinister" things is the heavy emphasis on patriotism and Christianity.

[@aydennoah3316]

As the daughter of a mason I can also add that in 53 years I’ve never seen them dress up in bedsheets with hoods and go parading around on horses either. But I’ll tell you what I have seen, and that’s them hosting events to raise money for folks with a sick family member and even pay a bill out of their own pocket.

[@savannahmiller313]

Love videos like this! Recently became a sahm and have been reflecting on what could have happened if I started down the fundie/ trad wife conspiracy theory pipeline. Instead, I found you guys, Fundie Fridays, and a couple other creators! Would’ve been much easier to become a conspiracy theorist than reckon with my faith deconstruction lmao

[@emmelinesprig489]

That’s amazing! I was in the pipeline (grew up in it) and information online was the way I got out. I’m so proud of everyone who stays out or gets out. You’ve spared your kids so much pain! ❤️

[@hiericas]

"I'm allergic to bee venom but it's used for medicine some places" okay but if you have a penicillin allergy they aren't going to administer penicillin

[@pochaccocino]

trueeee

[@EK-ij9fg]

Unless you are pregnant and have syphilis

[@NeoNovastar]

​@@EK-ij9fgidk what this means, but there are antibiotics that aren't penicillin lol

[@reesah.3020]

Pretty sure my Animal Crossing character owns that blouse/skirt combo, so.... I died when Jordan said that. RIP to me.

[@nickiesplace]

I'm just at the point with the conversation about cancer. There are so many reasons why cancer can just happen. I just had breast cancer last year (when I was 34). Admittedly I was never the healthiest eater and stuff like that, but through testing they found out that none of that mattered in my case. I have a genetic defect that increased my lifetime chances of breast cancer from about 12,5% to 88%. So it's more or less a miracle that my mom and grandma never got it. And since Gubba likes to talk about great-grandparents. My great grandmother is the one where the genetic defect most likely comes from. And she passed away of breast cancer in 1952 when she was 48. She never lived in the city, always in villages and they grew their own food, drank milk from their animals and from what I know/heard about her, she would have hated the trad wives movement with a passion :P

[@alexwyatt2911]

First, I hope you’re now in remission. Second, you’re 100% correct; cancer is a lottery of genetics and environmental factors. Third, fuck cancer.

[@KatasaurusRexxed]

Dandelions are great for tea, but you need to wash them, not eat them with the dirt on the roots. geeze.

[@trierchick]

My grandma and her family used dandelion greens in salad and tea for tummy ache. Old world and pioneer remedies. It's actually not bad and as a part of a Balanced diet can be good for you. But she definitely isn't using it the way I learned

[@paulamacdonald7070]

I'd be more worried about animal excrement and pesticides on the dandelions

[@FortheLoveofBees]

Wait ‘til this girlie learns you can get shigella from eating a*s AND eating dirt

[@greenleafgardens]

Although it’s rare for people with strong immune systems, soil commonly has illness causing bacteria in it. Bacteria like tetanus, anthrax, and botulism. While eating a little dirt probably won’t hurt, eating dirt that is found around livestock definitely increases the likelihood of encountering illness causing bacteria 😅

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

​@@greenleafgardensMy mom is has an autoimmune condition that affects her white blood cell count, when it gets too low, she's not even supposed to touch uncooked fruit and veg. You're absolutely right that to normal people, a little dirt isn't a big issue, but cross contamination is the way most outbreaks of foodborne illness occur.

[@Sprklngglassslipper]

“Jesus is coming so I’ve gotta can!!” made me laugh hysterically. All I could think of was someone just frantically canning and yelling, “THIS IS FOR THE LORD!”

[@ryguy56]

something about you guys in this video…y’all are glowing!! also jordyn saying “fetishization of raw milk” sent me into a different plane of existence

[@JordanandMcKay]

She got it in one take unlike me in the ballerina farm episode

[@kinders6692]

Dandelion leaves in the spring before they flower are really good in a white bacon sauce. After flowering the leaves become bitter.

[@missfeisty]

That's good to know, thanks 😊

[@katherine5797]

My great grandpa was a mason, the only “crazy” thing they did was make a cool little wooden puzzle box. That was the height of his masonry career.

[@the_devoteaser]

Dandelions are actually very nutritious and good for the bees, unlike worthless grass lawns. Weed is a purely cultural definition referring to any unwanted plant.

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

Dandelions definitely offer more to pollinators than sad grass lawns, but the ultimate move is always to plant as many native species as you can, that bloom at different times, not just so you have a pretty garden, but that way pollinators have consistent food throughout the warm months! ❤️ 🐝

[@vinceradical8910]

No make up, she just gets her bees to sting her cheeks for that rosy glow. Women had jobs outside of the home before feminism.

[@nomanejane5766]

Pretty suresge has fillers on her lips, maybe her cheek too

[@vinceradical8910]

@@nomanejane5766 ok, i know nothing about filters. Im old 😁

[@joesak]

Germ theory is a theory... theory isn't a bad word... But yeah, people will misuse the word and think it means "just a guess"

[@irradiated_woman8016]

When people think "theory" means "untested hypothesis" smh

[@Hyst3ricalCha0s]

JORDAN YOU LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL! You have such a pretty glow!! Have you been feeling better??

[@owlgirl1998]

On the chickens- theyre omnivores! They really like meat actually as long as they also get grains and plants theyre good!

[@jojol.2630]

My mom’s chickens love dried worms

[@LionatHeartt]

So I did used to eat chunks of butter, too. In my defense, I was like six years old

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

"Theory" in science comes from "theorem". This is such a basic definition it's criminal, but you can think of it this way: a bunch of little theorems come together to make a theory. So a theory is something that has such strong data points that, when taken together, describe a system with the maximum level of truthfulness.

[@ramenaddict1000]

My grandmother was in med school during the depression and was provaccine+. My mom said she thought if one smallpox vaccine was good, why not have one yearly. Sounds horrible if you ask me. She did have great raised garden beds and knew how to sew, so it is possible to be pro-medicine and still know how to do the basic self-sufficiency activities.

[@Just-in-Space]

Yep there are clearly the lines. This is part of new age spirituality (fundamentalist). It’s feels really nice to have mythology traditionalism for far right ideology. Makes it more consumable. But come on people should have gardens and know how to cook! It’s not that deep

[@kinders6692]

My family had a tradition of eating dandelion salad every spring on Easter.

[@yertletheturtle5843]

It's a thing in central Europe.

[@kittybear9693]

Wow liver flush

[@mimicoolll0]

my grandma also eats dandelion and makes tea out of it too

[@josiee1120]

People do have more chronic illness today than before, but people also live to 70, 80, 90+ years old whereas in the past, the average life expectancy was like 40 so it’s a lot harder to have chronic illness when you are dead before it really has time to develop or become chronic…

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

It's also more possible to live with a lot of chronic illnesses that would have otherwise been deadly or much more severely disabling without modern medical treatment. Celiac's disease and PKU are 2 genetic disorders, and chronic illnesses, that are both pretty readily diagnosed today, and can largely be managed by diet alone for most people, but before they were understood, could catastrophically change your life for the worst. I have a friend with PKU. Had he been born a hundred years ago, he likely would never have survived infancy. Now he has kids of his own.

[@adelehammond1621]

That's not quite true this is why statistics are funky things they aren't straight forward Yes 40 was the average age but that does not mean that most people died at 40 It means that more people died So alot of avoidable death due to medical science improvement And also a incredibly high infant death rate

[@cosmic-hiker-749]

I got stung by a wasp that got tangled in my fly away hairs that escaped my ponytail while hiking once. It definitely happens.

[@katymccaddin9762]

I feel so SEEN about Vyvanse and doing a load of laundry. I struggle so much when I'm off my meds to do basic things like this!

[@MonaLyssa33]

Things that could kill me: stress from working in social services, tripping over a dog, choking on a Reese's PB cup (this did happen to me while I was driving and the thing that went through my mind was Liz Lemon choking on food and having to throw herself over a chair because she lived alone and no one could help her), but probably breast cancer because of genetics. Things that won't kill me: E. coli, listeria, or salmonella from raw milk, measles, mumps, or polio because I'm vaccinated, a preventable disease because I go to the doctor regularly, or from falling off the edge of the Earth.

[@alexwyatt2911]

To be clear: listeria, salmonella, and E. coli do kill people. But I think you’re saying you’re not going to contract those diseases from drinking raw milk because you don’t drink raw milk. Right?

[@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv]

She would have loved me and my friends when we were kids because we would smear dandelions on our skin as paint. we were also six, so thats about where her thinking is.

[@Howdy2024]

I just wanted to pop into the comments and say that Jordan you are looking absolutely stunning this video! Like more than usual. Anyway back to the video.

[@JordanandMcKay]

She’s a hottie boboddy

[@chloem6506]

wait until this lady finds out that my great great grandparents ran a grocery store

[@JordanandMcKay]

People like to think that 100 years ago were the dark ages but they still had cars 100 years ago 😶

[@frejaolsen7240]

Her saying dinosaurs didn't exist right next to chickens which are literal modern dinosaurs is sending me.

[@kbird6208]

Me too. Anyone who doesn't believe birds are dinosaurs hasn't watched a flock of wild turkeys walk around.

[@cedardryad]

My botany teacher in high school would agree with the whole, "we were lied to about dandelions". He said everything is a we'd depending on where you live. It's based solely on how people want their lawns to look. It has to do with the standard, and what the local government wants everyone lawn to look like. I lived in New England and the crab grass that was a weed to the lawns there was actually the standard in Florida.

[@DanSlaughter85]

If i don't eat breakfast I can't function. 🤷 Also, rediscovering why I love Jordan debunking people with grammar gives me life. Just the perfect amount of sarcasm.

[@amurthenerd]

I do love that she doesnt believe in dinosaurs but has chickens (aka the descendants of dinosaurs) on her farm.

[@hstan29]

New version of "The smoke's gettin in my eyes" country song just dropped: "The beef tallow's gettin in my eyes"

[@samtyers8236]

My daughter was born 8wks premature, she HAD to have specialist formula

[@tayc1312]

6:57 to hear this as I play Animal Crossing and my character was stung by wasps?! 😭😭😭 I looked over and lost it. Poor thing lol

[@Kai-here]

Technically chickens, like all birds, are omnivores. You know, early bird gets the worm? So like, she really did something there, saying that her chickens don't eat vegan diet 😆😆😆😆

[@annelliott1384]

I’ve heard of a lot of people who use backyard chickens for garden pest management because they like eating bugs. It’s unhealthy for chickens trapped in a factory farming environment to only be fed grains, but if the chickens get to hang out outside they’re gonna catch bugs themselves. They’re not vegan, but their natural diet does not include “meat” in the same way that a human’s does. People who are obsessed with being meat eaters get some really weird ideas (and then call vegans preachy, lol).

[@cc-hk5ih]

Isn't she leading her own herd? If she hates Netflix etc why is she on social media. You can see how people with this mindset come to listen and believe the likes of Chad daybell etc. My people were farmers and my aunt never wore her hair like that she wouldn't have time to do it too busy. Oh so annoying and dare I say it really ignorant

[@jewelgazer]

Great point about her use of social media! Wouldn’t it be interesting to see how she would approach that argument? We would laugh our heads off!

[@madmelk]

i also don’t get how they can justify being online when “the media is bad” 🤔

[@punkee666]

Dandelion greens are actually pretty yummy if you’re into that kind of thing- they’re pretty similar to arugula in my opinion and I’ve never eaten the flowers but when I had a rabbit he loved them Just make sure you follow the general guidelines for foraging safely - don’t pick them from somewhere that’s sprayed with pesticides or anywhere too close to a road or parking lot and make sure that you’ve positively identified the plant you’re picking

[@franzibott5730]

We dip the flowers in pancake batter and fry them, soooo yummy 💞

[@cookieharding]

When McKay said his insurance doesn't cover vyvanse and it's too expensive that blew my mind - move to Australia guys, thanks to the PBS a month supply of dexamfetamine (short acting version of vyvanse) costs me $29. It actually used to cost $35 or something, it got cheaper a couple months ago. The medication I take for narcolepsy also costs me $29.42 a month, and without the PBS it would be over $300. And that has nothing to do with insurance, I don't need insurance to afford my medications. PBS is just part of being Australian 🇦🇺

[@alexwyatt2911]

The US is backwards about so many things. It truly makes so many of us feel powerless and hopeless.

[@theadora9377]

I appreciate y’all’s deep dives, but this is by far my favorite format you do!

[@starophie]

"i don't have netflix bc of the aGenDaS but i watch lotr and count of monte cristo..." madam. miss ma'am. lotr and count of monte cristo have some of the biggest agendas in the literary world 😭why are you this way

[@RACrochetDesign]

Ive been binge watching your guys channel and I am loving it. Thank you for sharing your perspective on these topics.

[@GlitterEnby]

I grew up in an evangelical cult, and this is still the first time I have heard of someone not believing that gravity exists. I just...what?

[@hemulek]

37:53 oh she’s doing that thing with eggs in the jar. Welcome to the salmonella factory!

[@beebaritter4952]

Not the Animal Crossing townie! Her round beehive hair and round little smiling face! Oh my heck!

[@autumnssssss]

not the oh my heck🥴 i physically cringed

[@melsmuseontv]

I know you guys don’t choose your ads but it killed me every time a BIG PHARMA ad came up during this. 😂😂😂 CONSPIRACY

[@JordanandMcKay]

GODDAMN IT

[@Jonasansu]

Growing up in NH we also had to do the swishy fluoride thing and sing I'm proud to be an American everyday before school after 9/11. The singing part instilled in me a healthy amount of distrust for hollow patriotism at a young age.

[@thedreammweaver6274]

They made us do the pledge of allegiance every morning in my school

[@makenziesands9555]

McKay this whole video, “I’m not doing that!” 😂 omg i love you two!! 😂🫶🏻

[@tweetiebirdism]

As someone with honeybee hives and has had a swollen face as well, I want to say she is NOT allergic! She is having a side affect from the venom. If you’re allergic, you will swell up so bad you’ll stop breathing, so you need an epi-pen at home.

[@katshadwick7061]

Anaphylaxis is not the only alleric reaction that someone can have.

[@SoupCanGirl]

To add onto @katshadwick7061 ‘s astute comment, bee allergies also tend to get worse with more exposures, so she’s likely working her way towards anaphylaxis the longer she keeps that up. Would possibly be even if it isn’t an allergic reaction. Bees might even be one of the few allergies where you can go from fine on one exposure to anaphylaxis on the next (with most allergens you have at least one serious but non-anaphylactic allergic reaction in between), but don’t quote me on that. No matter what, she’s playing with fire, and there’s a chance of her being so public about it putting someone who follows that (arguably just on the edge of "not" for algorithms) advice in serious danger, if not her herself.

[@apathybronson]

No. Not all allergies are this bad. I grew up next to a beekeeper whose wife was allergic to bees. 1 time she had to take care of them bc he was in hospital and she got stung. She had severe swelling and bruising but nothing life threatening.

[@Megh2D]

As someone whose uncle died last year from a bee sting, if you ignore bee sting reactions like eye swelling, hives, etc., you're not going to have an epi-pen as your allergic response worsens. That's exactly what happened to my uncle.

[@vernluka]

Just wanted to share that there is a ‘breakfast conspiracy’ but it’s mostly just a really effective marketing campaign for the eggs, dairy, meat, and cereal industries by naming breakfast as the most important meal of the day.

[@AKAM30]

As someone who drinks dandelion tea to help my water retention I can confirm it is bitter and gross 😝 but it does help.

[@missfeisty]

What are you using to make the tea? I recently tried some roasted dandelion root tea, and it was very nice. It reminded me of a toasted rice green tea I had at a sushi spot 😋

[@AKAM30]

@missfeisty oh interesting! I purchased mine from a local company who roasts and packages herself. I love all her other teas... but the dandelion is really intense flavor that I just don't love.. but I've started making it iced tea with some fresh lemonade and it does the trick.. really helps with my water retention otherwise I'd probably pass on it haha

[@MissRae_18]

⁠@@AKAM30 it depends on if your tea is coming from the leaves or the roots! The leaves (after flowering) get really bitter. The roots are often much less bitter and can even taste like coffee if you roast them. I know the leaves help with water retention issues, I think the roots do too - but you might want to double check. Happy tea drinking!! ❤

[@AKAM30]

@kkjacobs1824 thank you for the info!!

[@PetitPoneyDuVercors26]

If you take the leaves before the plant flourish it's less bitter :) And you can eat that in salad And yeah that's a diuretic, in french we officially call dandelions Pissenlits (literally "piss in bed" 😂)

[@Cat-tastrophee]

19:15 a lot of places have stopped doing the fluoride rinse because a small child chugged a bottle of it at a dentist's office and sadly passed away, but the amount of fluoride you would need to consume to be poisoned as an adult is astronomical, and people have taken that one unfortunate instance and run with it.

[@lifegirl7]

Rider Strong is down this line too, he has to mention in every podcast that he doesn't watch tv. Like good for you you made your entire income off of it and are still using it to your advantage but you're "above it".

[@Teajay21]

Mckay I FINALLY got my Vyvanse prescription filled and I start tomorrow! Im hopeful it helps

[@JordanandMcKay]

Sheesh maybe I should check my pharmacy

[@Teajay21]

@JordanandMcKay in classic ADHD fashion I forgot to take it today so tomorrow I will see of it helps! I would sure like to be able to get laundry done in a reasonable time lol

[@G99304]

Would guys be willing to check out Cash and Kate on the unplanned podcast? Idk if they're Mormon but they're definitely fundies and they spoke about getting engaged and married at like 17 and about not knowing about UTIs. It would be super cool to have you guys' opinion on it ❤

[@autumnssssss]

are you talking about matt and abby? they're the hosts of the unplanned podcast and i'd love to see jordan's therapist reaction to them

[@raigenhuss7030]

@@autumnssssssMatt and Abby bug me! I can’t explain why, but there is something super off about them

[@G99304]

​@thedevillovesyou yes but the episode that they had cash and Kate on specifically

[@ibbyf8442]

Why does she act like our grandparents were fuckin medieval peasants or something. They were going to grocery stores and taking drugs and eating breakfast too

[@carnespecter]

chickens will eat meat! they are naturally omnivores, ive seen them catch and eat mice and other little critters

[@pochaccocino]

we fed our chickens hotdogs and chicken legs when we were kids. they will demolish some meat

[@Cbbartelt]

If you can’t spit the toothpaste out you’re supposed to use non-fluoridated toothpaste because it will cause internal damage. I learned this from working with disabled adults who had to have specific scripts so the state would OK them using non fluoridated toothpaste because he was starting to have symptoms and testing that showed flouride toxicity. Chronic flouride toxicity can literally cause brain damage. The majority of the population doesn’t need to worry about flouride toxicity but it is a real thing and if you can’t spit out toothpaste it is a real concern. Now I experience everyday because my daughter can’t spit out her toothpaste bc her disability affects her ability to move things around in her mouth. Her dentist does a fluoride treatment every 6 months but told us to use non-fluoridated toothpaste as long as she can’t spit out her toothpaste/toothpaste spit.

[@Cbbartelt]

Replying to myself for a different point-“what did our great grandparents do?” BARELY MADE IT THROUGH THE DEPRESSION!! MY great grandfather owned a tire business in a rural town. Then he got tuberculosis, when my grandma was three moved to Arizona to a tuberculosis hospital while my great grandmother took care of all of their kids alone and he died because dry heat does not heal tuberculosis. Then my great grandma had to move all of her kids back to the rural Midwest where her mom moved in with her and they barely made it through because they traded services and then my great uncles, great aunt and my grandma all had to work as children so that they could survive. My paternal great grandpa was drinking his life away as an alcoholic while my grandfather was digging graves with train riding hobos to make money to survive. This glorifying the 20s and 30s bullshit is ignoring any reality of what happened. Sweetheart, do you want your children to have to work at six to make money because otherwise you’re all gonna starve? Do you want your child to have to go dig graves with random men who ride from town to town on a train? Do you want to die of tuberculosis? Do you want to die of easily treatable infections? Do you have to sell your daughter to go work at someone else’s house as a nanny or housecleaner because you can’t afford to live? THAT’s what was happening in the 20’s and 30’s and even early 40’s!! My Grandma was 92 when she died in 2020 and she was the FIRST to buy any convenience product-I’ve never met a person who loved a microwave like she did because she knew the difficulty without it.

[@tweetiebirdism]

My Dentist says you’re not to spit it out, if you spit it out, the fluoride can’t work. I’m 65 and just learned this last year.

[@smidgen]

@@tweetiebirdism every dentist i've been to highly discourages swallowing flouride lol

[@Nassifeh]

@@tweetiebirdism Spitting is fine. *Rinsing* is the thing that can make it so the fluoride doesn't work as well.

[@apathybronson]

​@@tweetiebirdismno you spit, then leave the rest on the teeth. What you're not supposed to do is rinse the tooth paste off right away

[@lyssvanessen7273]

Ok. I do have to defend *some* of the things she's talking about. Almost everything she said about dandelions is pretty much true, she's just also spinning it as a conspiracy which I don't agree with. A lot of the things she said about plant medicine is actually factual and backed by research studies, however people shouldn't just go for it with plants (even dandelion) because they can have strong effects and you can make yourself feel really shitty. Even some of what she's saying about liver detoxification is technically true but that doesn't mean that everyone should start a detox of some sort. Yes, your liver does that by itself, but herbalists often help people do 'detox protocols' to help people with chronic health and inflammation challenges. The problem with her is we can't feel confident about anything she says because she's proudly a conspiracy theorist. Plant medicine is an incredible and powerful field of knowledge, but this woman isn't interested in facts whatsoever and that's why we need to ignore her, not what she said about dandelions.

[@Nassifeh]

Those herbalist "detox protocols" are usually just snake oil, sorry. Either that or they're mostly focused on laxatives and diuretics, which make people feel better for reasons completely unrelated to "toxins".

[@Nelladkins]

8:15 I really did look at that first video and think "damn this girl looks like my animal crossing character" 😂😂 Btw I loved Jordan's laugh when yall watched her drink the dandelion water, we were all hollering in our house too

[@nailgirl94]

19:20 YES!!!!!! SWISH!!!! (That’s what it was called in Johnston Co. NC) A student would get picked to walk around the room w/ the teacher to hand out the little cups & then the teacher would pump the swish into the cups! We had to swish for a minute or so, spit it back into the cup and then another student got to walk around w/ the trash can so we could throw them away! Haha. Yes, I absolutely remember that!! 🤣😊

[@lolaaakaypeanutbrittle9213]

Bro she really has me thinking she's just doing it for the gag 🙃😂 like those people who put raw meat with skittles to make hamburgers in a waffle iron. I DONT MISS THAT SIDE OF TIK TOK

[@dramonmaster222]

Happy Tuesday Jordan and McKay!

[@anjelikag]

Content with an agenda… like hers??😂

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

So- roasted dandelion root tea is actually really good to me as someone who doesn’t really like to drink coffee- it’s bitter. Like black coffee. Probably why she needed so much sweetener, bc I add creamer to mine!

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

You might already know this, but it was used during the American Revolution as a patriotic substitute to drinking tea and coffee with high tariffs, and also during the great depression, when folks couldn't afford coffee. ☕

[@lenorebunny]

Wow, y'all must have been shadow banned the entire month of June I never saw your videos on my feed and today you're back

[@JordanandMcKay]

We didn’t do too much during June

[@JessieBanana]

You got to love conflating an organized agenda with narrative. Yes, most art and media has a narrative. It’s trying to say something, that is the point. Art and media convey stories and emotions.

[@emmajay2401]

I wont stand for the dandelion slander. I'm Pennsylvanian Dutch and we have dandelion salad with hot bacon dressing. You can also make wine from the flowers.

[@CheersMyDudes]

This girl is like my tortoise. He’s all about dandelions too

[@crystalmarie000]

thats so cute of him

[@kbird6208]

I bet he's nicer though

[@vinceradical8910]

Firstly. im a first generation child of Italian immigrants (to Australia). Im shocked that "preparing a meal from scratch" is a fringe activity. Also, If contrails were a form of chemical distribution. its the most impractical distribution method ive ever seen. what would be the point of releasing the chemical at the altitude that a jet plane travels at?? it would dissipate at such a rate, that it would be completely ineffective . what contrails do contain is CO & CO2, which is much more concerning. eventually her head will disappear so far up her bottom. that she will disappear up there.

[@chloecamille5390]

Woohoo new Jordan and McKay video just dropped, bet it's a banger! Getting my snacks ready and curling up comfy 🎉

[@jewelgazer]

Hope you have potato chips, Hershey’s chocolate, and a soda!

[@chloecamille5390]

​@@jewelgazer I had none of those things as I'm in the UK but I did have a Penguin chocolate bar (essentially a bourbon with extra chocolate on the outside and a lil penguin fact and a penguin based joke on the wrapper), a Mr Kipling angel slice and a packet Mini cheddars. All of which was yummy as hell❤❤

[@jewelgazer]

@@chloecamille5390 lol!! Love it! Wish I could return to London for some banoffee (sp) pie!! Also some rum raisin ice cream in Hyde Park.

[@chloecamille5390]

@@jewelgazerIf I didn't know you're American from the first message then I would from this lmao 😂 the immediate London ™ mention when I said UK! I'm actually living in 'Janner' land aka Plymouth, Devon

[@jewelgazer]

@@chloecamille5390 hahaha! I gave myself away!! :)

[@hstan29]

arent u supposed to dry, roast, and grind dandelion root before making tea? u don't just steep the raw root. Like that's probably why her tea is so bitter bc she's not making it right

[@hstan29]

like if you made coffee with raw coffee beans or chocolate with raw cacoa it would taste like shit which is why you roast themmmm

[@hstan29]

roasting gets rid of the tannins which make it bitterrrrr (lol sorry for the rant foraging misinformation makes me mad)

[@KristiChan1]

That's what I thought, and I don't use dandelions. Like girl, being crunchy doesn't mean being stupid about it.

[@KristiChan1]

Oh god, you unlocked a nightmare. I remember the mouthwash schools gave us, they called it Swish and all they had was bubblegum and grape flavor. I'm convinced they did that to torture us.

[@pochaccocino]

oh my god i remember this too.....

[@hellfirefox516]

I feel you on the Vyvanse, McKay. My insurance only covers it for minors. Because everyone knows ADHD just goes away once you turn 18 🙃 and THEN they make me get a Prior Authorization, with everyone fully knowing they WONT COVER IT ANYWAYS 🔪🔪

[@JordanandMcKay]

Thanks doc, I’m cured now that I can vote!

[@sleepyspacegremlin]

I really, really understand the appeal of this lifestyle. I've lived in big cities for almost 2 decades and that can take a toll on your mind, body, and spirit (especially if you're autistic & adhd like me). Both of my parents grew up on family farms in a small town. It sounds peaceful & slower-paced to live on a farm & grow your own food. Heck, I'm trying to grow zucchini right now in my apartment just to feel a little closer to nature. Especially with the rise of chronic illness people are looking for "natural remedies". It's a romantic ideal that's out of reach for most of us nowadays.