EX5 Rulings! Protoform, Fortitude, Soveregins, & MORE!

[@TheFluffiestZinogre]

I feel like a lot of the people who try to say things miss timings are coming from yu-gi-oh where it's easy to miss timing on card combos and aren't used to the fact that Digimon flat out puts everything on the stack and lets you resolve same timed triggers in the order you wish without even explicitly stating what order it's being resolved beforehand.

[@jaydblerd4360]

Can confirm coming from yugioh definitely affects my understanding of timing some times lol

[@empireyouth5791]

Who is the thing with this argument even if it was in Yu-Gi-Oh it works literally still trigger because “ it’s mandatory” and mandatory Trigger affects in Yu-Gi-Oh must resolve even if they would miss timing. it’s only the non-mandatory things that missed timing because they aren’t mandatory

[@dp101]

There's some more gracenova rulings that are also imo somewhat unintuitive or questionable that I feel should be included, mainly around koh and sayo (red tamer). I'll copy parts of a comment I made on another video, which references the relevant parts of the comprehensive rules doc. You can use Koh and Sayo's effect on a level 3 with just an egg beneath, if you use that to digivolve on a different digimon your egg stack dies by game mechanics, but as it turns out, that deletion is part of a "rules check" (11-3-3) which occurs only between effect activations (11-3-1), and even though Koh and Sayo specifies you can only digivolve on a digimon, 3-5-2 confirms that the egg keeps being treated as one. So, you can use Koh and Sayo to cycle a 3 back into a 2 and evo to a 3 in your hand to get a second rookie inherit in the stack. Additionally, if you do this and have RB1 Gurimon as your egg, this will trigger a draw even though the inherit was technically inactive when the card was placed into sources (since gurimon became the one at the top of the stack when the rookie was placed into sources) since it's active again by the time activations are checked, when koh and sayo's effect is finished resolving. This has various implications for combo lines, but not going to go into it here since that's kinda beyond the scope. Just figured I'd mention it since it took me a few games and some research to figure it out, and imo it's a quite important thing to know for playing the deck.

[@donkeyknogg]

Wow I did not know those at all thanks for the info! That seems bizarre to me but after re reading the grace nova cards they do indeed say top card, meaning you can move lv3s. And yeah the egg living for a second before becoming a lv3 again is also right cause rules processing cant interrupt effects just like if you neg a pomumon to 0 or something with flame hellscythe, it'll still be alive before the rules kick in to kill it aka before the option finishes resolving.

[@Riokaru3]

For anyone watching this, please be aware that the Leviamon VS WarGreymon ruling is now outdated. You can interrupt during the same effect more than once with the same interruptive effect, you just can't interrupt again until the first deletion is resolved (in this case it is considered resolve when it's prevented). For more information, consult EX5 Leviamon's Q&A.

[@Setming]

How does merciful mode work with the deletion timing? If I bottom deck all the cards in a heavyleo stack, would it mean that the inheritables of dp minus and dedigivolve simply do not trigger?

[@donkeyknogg]

Yeah so if you kill heavyleo with merciful mode, you fully resolve merciful mode first and so you would bot deck the whole leo stack. After that, leo's on deletions would trigger, but since its no longer in the trash they'll trigger without resolving. This is true for merciful mode versus any on deletion you can effectively get around it

[@skarlosssssssssss]

hi, Does removing a mindlink tamer from one of my digimons and leaving it in the battle area count as being played by effect?

[@donkeyknogg]

Yes it is being played by a card effect. This is not stopped by something like bt14 gotsumon, as that says you cant play digimon by effects. But it will trigger something like leviamon x that says when your opponent plays a digimon OR tamer by an effect

[@justin1497231]

Also, food gates like pillomon stop the deva deck from playing into the breeding area

[@keen4739]

Pillowmon can't stop deva from playing into raising.

[@justin1497231]

It does, unfortunately. The flood gates that prevent playing Digimon by effect will stop deva from being played into breeding.

[@daredae436]

​@@keen4739it does floodgate rookies like pillow affect the player not the Digimon, however though cards like biting crush do not see Digimon being played in the raising area

[@worldshakerd3889]

so for anubis. if you play merva off anubis effect playing out dober and saber from merva does dober and saber both get the draw or delete? so 1 for merva play 1 for saber 1 for dober? and then draw again for dober? so you activated anubis 4 times in a turn?

[@allenhines480]

Anubis triggers whenever your digimon is played by effect, the number of digimon played by effect does not matter it would only trigger once, in the scenario of the video anubis triggers once from mervamon being played by effect with anubismons first effect and triggers again when mervamon plays out 2 digimon with her own effect. In total anubismon triggers twice and you would be able to delete 2 level 5 or lower digimon on your opponents battle field and if there is none you would draw instead for every digimon not deleted with this effect.

[@chrissurles8326]

How does Leviamon interact with the gomamon inherit? Does it goma come out safely?

[@allenhines480]

depending on how leviamon is deleting the digimon with gomamon inherit it may or may not survive. If the digimon with gomamon inherit is deleted by Leviamons first delete then gomamon would be played out before the second deletion of it's effect and may be deleted then, if the digimon with gomamon inherit is deleted by leviamons second deletion then it will be played out safely

[@robertochavez8598]

New player here Great video 👍 hope you can do a Ruling video for X Antibody from BT9, I am confused on how the "When Attacking" inheritable is beneficial, does the Digimon who digivolve get to do the security check? If I digivolve when I attack and the memory pases to my opponent does my attack go through? 🤔 Thanks in advance 🙂

[@Patziken]

I'll answer your comment in parts. 1) The When Attacking inheritable is useful as a way to give a pseudo Blitz to a Digimon by digivolving during the attack. 2) Yes, the newly evolved Digimon will be the one completing the attack 3) It is not your opponent's turn until all pending actions have finished. In this case it's the attack and any effects triggered by the digivolution, attack, and security check

[@robertochavez8598]

@@Patziken Awesome thank you so much for the clarification ☺️

[@robertochavez8598]

2 more questions came to mind in regards to Proto Form: 1- Can it be added to the hand from effcts like Cool Boy or Gabumon X antibody bt9? 2- Can I use it on a Garurumon evolving to Garurumon X Antibody even though the cost would be 0? Thanks in advance 🙂

[@Patziken]

@robertochavez8598 1. Yes it can. There's a rule box on the card saying it is always treated as "X-Antibody" 2. Also yes, the digivolution reduction is not a mandatory effect, you can use it to evolve something that would be free otherwise.

[@robertochavez8598]

@@Patziken Awesome thanks again for the response 🙂👍

[@DudesPlayingVidGames]

How does Leviamon interact with say Gracenovamon?

[@gabrieldelacruz7586]

It works the same on Gracenovamon

[@JustRichStl]

what card game client is this?

[@DTerrel]

it's tabletop simulator mod

[@JustRichStl]

@@DTerrel thank you, you the best

[@jaydblerd4360]

Oh so thats why anubis is so crazy lol