EXAMPLES OF SELF-DEFENCE IN CANADA

[@codynazzie9704]

So if an intruder breaks in my home and tries to kill me and my family and I defend my family and hurt the intruder seriously, I’m still the suspect and get charges too. Yup, welcome to Canada.

[@billiondime]

@Levi obviously no but more like if you keep a air horn with you using that on an attacker would land you with some legal issues

[@gordonshrubb7155]

No there is no common sense in our self defence law

[@smoknb3ar]

Guess im going to jail then lol if you broke into our house with me and my family inside, and you have a weapon your leaving in a bucket. No regrets. Ill do what i have to do to protect my family no matter what the law says🇨🇦🍻

[@nogreatreset8506]

Depends on whether the self defense is reasonable or not. If self defense was a must they'll let you go.

[@gunpolygamist]

​@Levi-in8eqYES 😅 THE GREAT NORTH 👍

[@lougarou8431]

I got robbed at my job in the 90's by two know burglars. One had a knife and when I saw that I unloaded everything I had. I have a Judo background and was able to take the knife away; dislocated his elbow and then beat the second one severely enough that he was unconscious for an hour. One the police came, they took my statement, identified the two burglars which were known to them and I was driven home with a "good job" comment afterwards. I went to court to testify against them and they were in jail for about 2 years since they were on their third charge. So for anyone saying that you need to temper your response to an attack, don't!

[@bowtieguy85]

You'd be fired if you did that at my job. We have a 0 tolerance policy for that kind of heroism here.

[@David-q7w9m]

You were very lucky, not to be charged

[@TheSkillkeeper]

What makes zero sense to me is the trust I'm expected to place into the attackets intent. It's perfectly rational to me to believe from the onset that the attacker intents no limits to their attack. Therefore, proportionate response is to ensure the attacker stays down by way of anything available to me. As you pointed out: A punch could kill me.

[@activision4170]

Yea I don't get that either. A knife is proportional in that case, they could just keep punching while I'm unconscious and kill me. Our laws need more clarification with definition. Proportional is just a matter of opinion.

[@Duckman1616]

@@activision4170 No, it's pretty obvious that a fist is less deadly than a knife and is not proportional. Our legal system does not buckle under someone else's stupidity.

[@YoursUntruly]

Police pushed open my front door when I opened it to talk to them. I asked to talk outside they said no. I asked wouldn’t they need to show me a warrant they said no. They got a call about a male discharging a rifle in a trench coat on my front step. I don’t own either of those things. And I definitely wasn’t doing that. They tore my house apart and didn’t find either items. But took a legal Airsoft pistol out of my house and then left after threatening me with physical violence if I don’t admit it.

[@johnnysmythe7767]

Sue em!

[@D33Lux]

If you're being serious, you need to contact a lawyer immediately. Don't let these cops get away with this. People need to know that police are 100% tax payer funded, so they have to abide by the rule of law.

[@YoursUntruly]

@@D33Lux I’m in a small town, and they all stand up for each other.. I’ve seen people come put about police and end up getting harassed the rest of their lives or until they leave.

[@charlesreid9337]

​@@YoursUntrulybullshit. Youre either lying about what happened or you havent even called a lawyer

[@YoursUntruly]

@@charlesreid9337 Why would I lie about that? They put me in the police car and threatened to “knock my teeth out” if I didn’t admit to it right then. I told them if they wanted me to lie to them then sure. Then they let me back in my house because I did nothing wrong. I never had to speak to a lawyer because they couldn’t find anything to charge me with.

[@liamcage7208]

I've taught Martial Arts for self-defense for 3 decades now. In addition to teaching techniques to use in those situations I have tried to responsibly communicate the law regarding responsible use of force. So much is grey area. I have talked to defense lawyers and crown prosecutors and I just feel that there is so much grey area here. How does the court, for example, take into account fear and the influence of adrenaline? Does the court take into account someone with fight training vs untrained. Lots of guys take martial arts and still can't fight vs someone who has led a life of crime and violence is just an everyday fact of life for them. I appreciate those may be tough questions to answer.

[@charlesreid9337]

Your fear is irrelevant I would be curious however how many actual fights you've ever actually been in. Self-defense is only confusing two people whose actual desire is to hurt someone who's no longer a threat

[@ROGZI3L]

The best defense currently would be to say they misgendered you while you were chanting liberate Pallistine.

[@gallagherhelen]

@@charlesreid9337 you sound like you don't know what you're talking about

[@hkb1467]

The laws we have in Canada are just completely insane when it comes to our safety and security in our homes. To expect an ordinary citizen to act within their home with the control and restraint of a trained officer when there is an intruder with unknown intent is sheer madness and stupidity. That home owners in Canada have been convicted of injuring or killing someone who broke into their home, and as an unavoidable result created fear and panic within the homeowner who then reacted with (probably uncontrolled) force is an absolute outrage. Only in the most clear-cut cases of an intruder being already restrained or incapacitated and then brutally assaulted or killed should the question of homeowner culpability ever come up. Further to this, there is something so terribly wrong with our legal system or the application of the law in so many areas it makes one wonder if there just might be some massive undertaking to undermine not just Canadian society but the whole of Western society as well.

[@TheChadavis33]

It would be great if you did a breakdown of a firearm is involved with one or both parties. Specifically when someone breaks into your home

[@Glide1992]

That would be a good topic. I think about that one a lot. I figure if they are in my home at 3 AM they are getting shot dead. Shouldn't even have to go to court, but this is Canada not Texas. Here he says I can only bring fists to a fist fight I didn't even start. I'm no good with fists.

[@rulesR4foolz]

@@Glide1992 it's important to note how long it'll take you to access your firearm in your vault, AND removing the trigger lock on it as well, but tbh it can take me under a minute to get mine

[@Glide1992]

@@rulesR4foolz I have gone through that scenario a million times. Tested it with a little practice. Once I am at the safe, under a minute.

[@charlesreid9337]

​@@Glide1992you spend far too much of your life focused on irratiobal fear. The odds your fantasy scenario will ever happen are microscopic.

[@Glide1992]

@@charlesreid9337 Never say never. We have had 2 home invasions in Manitoba in the last 12 months.

[@Johnny-kz4uj]

Thanks for your advice! I've been assaulted a few times, growing up in a unpleasant neighborhood. It's difficult to be rational in those situations. I've wondered if legislators or judges would've been able to understand how these situations play out "assuming" they probably grew up in sunnier circumstances. It's very difficult to be logical in such chaotic situations.

[@davidhenningson4782]

Most lawyers (eventually becoming judges) attend Ivy league schools and received their primary education in expensive private schools. The parents are typically upper middle class or better, nice safe neighborhoods, gated communities... most violence they've ever experienced... some childhood tussles with siblings or playmates on the sports field... quickly broken up by parents or referees. Maybe some game hunting trips if they're more rural. If they took martial arts... structured, safe, padded environment... maybe an accidental bloody nose... Tame as fxxk... and these are the folks who get to dictate how you NEED to respond in a REAL emergency... with no warning, and maybe just waking up to it.

[@carleynorthcoast1915]

This is often described as an "arm-chair judgement".

[@rudyzoro]

And just how, sir, do you defend yourself, take me as an example, (160lbs) vs a 210 lbs aggressive guy using "proportional" force? Punch him back? How do I punch back Mike Tyson? Who are we kidding? The fight is already unequal. If he has you on the floor and is pounding your face, your life is in danger. Any tool should be legal to apply. You see, this is where I see the problem with how the law defines it. And how lawyers like to stick to it even though all of them including you sir know how this society is geared towards preventing any self defence. In Canada, if attacked, you better die, the police, the law makers, expect you to die. Do not dare defending your life especially using any tools, most of which are already illegal anyway. I believe you get my point. This is so disappointing and has pushed great many away from supporting the police, the lawmakers, the politicians, the whole cohort of "righteous" top feeders, whose salaries and benefits come from the budget we the bottom feeders pay into. Because if we don't guess what, a man with a gun (the police) will make sure the taxes are collected. Sense the disillusionment? There. Have a nice day.

[@highlightedcomment]

Police love killing A tally compiled by The Canadian Press has found police shot 87 people in Canada this year between Jan. 1 and Nov. 30 - 46 fatally. It was based on available information from police, independent investigative units and reporting from The Canadian Press. It marks a nearly 25 per cent increase from 2021, when officers fired on 70 people and 37 were killed. Sixty people were shot at in 2020 and 36 of those were killed. Temitope Oriola, a professor of criminology and associate dean at the University of Alberta, said it’s concerning to see the number of fatal encounters with police grow. Several variables contribute to the increase, he said, including inadequate training, an over-reliance on force and a lack of accountability. “We have essentially the perfect storm, a breeding ground for these kinds of incidents.”

[@andrewb5894]

Actually not true at all. You can defend yourself with whatever is around. Just don't Carry a tool or weapon for the sole purpose of defense. In other words, it's a tool. Aka a multi knife, or a kitchen knife, or a hammer or crow bar. You can have them handy, but always tell them for other reasons. As long as the force is justified you respond with. Aka your life is in danger and they attacked first. If you tell them you carry a knife for self defense that could be seen as an aggressive act and premeditated. Wording, folks.

[@D33Lux]

@@andrewb5894 If anyone is ever in a situation of defence main thing is leave the area, only an imbecile would stick around...not your problem what happens after the fact. Police are not your friends and I wouldn't engage in conversation with them. If they want to arrest you don't say a single word except, I want my attorney present. that's it. Multi-tool is a great option, it would not be considered a self defence tool from the initial looks of it. There are alot of options to choose from.

[@activision4170]

One thing that needs to be improved is clarity. Proportional force needs to be defined clearly. I don't get the first example how pulling a knife is not proportional. He punched you, is much bigger, and has you grabbed. You need a weapon for it to be proportional. He can easily keep punching until you die or are seriously injured beyond original health. A knife is proportional because its life or death. Fists are a weapon. Can't just hope that he doesn't go to far if you can't defend yourself with fists if you are weaker and don't know how to fight. Why do we care so much about the life of an aggressor anyway? They started the conflict.

[@davidhenningson4782]

Here's a scary but possible scenario... Let's say you're asleep with your wife beside you in bed, baby's in the next room... no one else in the house, windows and doors locked. You can't have a loaded gun in your nightstand... being Canada... but you can keep a sharp Tanto knife there. You wake to floorboards creaking as a shadowy figure enters your bedroom and starts to quietly approach you. The figure is an adult size male. You can't see if he's armed or not. Do you quickly pull the drawer open, grab the blade and lunge? Or do you turn on your lamp to get a better look at the intruder... and the knife, gun, hatchet or whatever else he is now attacking you with... Sometimes... it's just not so easy to follow procedure in the moment...

[@charlesreid9337]

youre making up nonsense no court in any country would convict you. Though your drunk best friend who waa playing a prank and is stabbed is probably pissed

[@davidhenningson4782]

@charlesreid9337 sure... home invasions 'never' happen. Though it's true that most break in during the daytime (when people are away for work or running errands.) I did say 'possible' scenario... not 'high likelihood'... I will say though, I've never met anyone who's had this happen to them.

[@davidhenningson4782]

@@charlesreid9337 ... and yes... drunk buddy would be pissed at being stabbed in the butt😊

[@GennadiCitrus]

Pov: you're getting beaten to a pulp with a pepper spray in your pocket and the guy gets released the same day (especially if he's a homeless addict)

[@numidianarchers195]

I learned to fight with 2 or 3 younger siblings in tow; it fit the bill laid out in s34(2) by virtue of its necessity of expedience - maybe I'm lucky in that regard but I have also done a lot of work healing my emotional wounds so thankfully my level of nascent rage is minimal. In the heat of the moment, though, it is difficult to remain proportional in force to the attack but it is necessary if one wants to remain aligned with the law. It's good to see quality video like this; legal education and early is necessary to successful navigation of Canadian society.

[@davidhenningson4782]

Wouldn't hurt to have a mandatory crash course in criminal law for high school students. Some might think twice before doing something stupid...

[@xtraplayer7281]

Size, and gender should not be factors in self defence !

[@zijunluk]

Even age should not be matter, is whoever is attacking of any age, you attack them back and age shouldn't be matter

[@megabushcraft]

Gender only matters when it's convenient

[@kyle8175]

So someone's pull a knife on me & I use my water bottle to inflict damage on head when I feel my life in danger would that be wrong

[@whitestarhorros3374]

They are opening the doors to escalate criminal activity while the non criminal citizen must stand there and get taken out. 🤔 really can't say enough about this idiocy.

[@jonnybgoode422]

Any type of self defence training (ie. Boxing, MMA, etc..) will teach you to use equal or lesser force.

[@oneill6291]

This is just not how violent situations go down. There's no time to think and be rational like that when you're being attacked by a dangerous human. You have no way of knowing how far that other person is going to go. Most very violent people could kill someone with their bare hands easily enough. These laws are completely asinine.

[@sketchysamaritan]

Great channel. Ty

[@dennispalmer6007]

I’m 77 with respiratory problems. If I have something that will immobilize the threat I will be using it because I would have one chance only. I’m not waiting for the first punch.

[@krisdoyle3031]

Thank you for the excellent information 👍🍁

[@professorjello9747]

Thanks for the video!

[@zijunluk]

Does age matter in self defense? Like I know in some states/countries, people can hit back attacker of any age including little kids and claim self defense, what is it like in ontario?

[@activision4170]

Probably if they are not an adult it would be stricter ruling. Not sure tho

[@zijunluk]

@activision4170 but is there a specific age under that the attacker cant be self defense against? E.g in Washington state, they have law that if an adult is 18 and had hit back any young children under 13 even as self defense that adult would be charged with assault on a minor and would face felony conviction and years imprisonment under no conditions. But in Florida law, there isnt a specific charge against assault on a minor so if anyone that hit a young child, regardless of how little or small they are, even as self defense it would still be allowed. So I wonder what is like in canada?

[@ROGZI3L]

What if you give the guy in the bar that grabbed you a few extra cracks so his 5 friends that were thinking about jumping in get the message? It's not always cut and dry if you've ever been around a real fight

[@deepspring1]

You are so inspiring Mr Kruse. I wish I could do my legal articling with you. I love your videos, very informative and easy to understand.

[@blainepasutti9712]

How about angry guy yelling at you .. saying he's going to kill you ... He's in your personal space .. can you use preemptive strike? Or do you have to wait for a physical assault?

[@David-q7w9m]

Would like to see any self defence case, where corrupt cops and district attorneys have not laid charges and forced you to bankrupt yourself in court, and win.

[@workmix5246]

Can you do a video on the case of Chelsea Arkarakas? Specifically, why they dangled the murder rap over her head for so many months if it was such a “clear case” of self-defense? Thanks.

[@EmceeMcGee]

What are the chances of winning a charge if you were intoxicated and were getting choked inside your home and used a weapon on the person to get out of my house, but have no memory how it started and all, but there was a witness to the attack

[@moneygettaextraordinar722]

asking for a friend huh?

[@MrMawnster]

Sounds like a good movie plot

[@YoursUntruly]

Canada doesn’t have self defence. We have something called justifiable force. It’s up to the judge to decide what level of force is justified.. Usually though if they use their hands and you use a knife or gun it’s assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder.. because you used more than the least amount of force necessary to defend yourself.

[@Glide1992]

@@YoursUntruly Which is bullshit. So everyone needs a degree in hand to hand self defense. It should be that the aggressor gets what he gets. He started it.

[@Glide1992]

@@YoursUntruly Sounds like a tough broad. Never had one of those.

[@anselmguppy8930]

What if you're in a fist fight in Canada and the opponent is bigger, stronger, and more skilled. You are being badly beaten. Obviously, you will need to up the level of force to defend yourself , or are you supposed to run away or stay and get badly beaten in order to avoid being charged ?

[@activision4170]

I think they're more strict on knives because you can't carry for the intent of defense and there's not much other reason to have a knife, it's also always deadly force. Not that you can never use it, it'd just make more sense to have one during something like a home invasion. You're getting charged regardless, you were in a fight. You should always be and expect a charge.

[@The_Zilli]

so based off of this logic, guy grabs person at bar, fight ensues, person disables guy with three or so punches. he then gets up and what, leaves the bar so buddy can get up and chase him down? Not saying buddy needs to go for a kill shot but i would like to think that being able to disable someone so that they cant get up and come after you while you wait for police to arrive is acceptable.

[@rockerdad2]

Can Canadians have a stun Flashlight? or dog spray?

[@activision4170]

Dog spray is fine but the purpose for having it when questioned is encase of dogs, not for self defense. You can't have it for the intent of defense. Not sure about stun flashlight, but probably the same idea. As long as you can have a reason for having it

[@miked.7245]

Reasonable force or not, if someone tries to break into my home, it’s not going to matter. No one will ever find their body.

[@miked.7245]

@@npc29182 yeah because, Dahmer killer people breaking into his home.🙄🤡

[@AgxntAqua]

So if a behemoth of a man attacks a small woman but he is unarmed, under canadian law she would legally not be allowed to use a weapon to defend herself? Or would that be considered justified?

[@AgxntAqua]

Also, what about self defense against dangerous pets? Does proportional force still apply or are you likely to be justified in escalating force to end the attack?

[@D33Lux]

@@AgxntAqua Can't go into detail. Heard of a case of dog attacking person, dog went for his privates, he kicked the dog away. Gashole neighbours had the nerve to call the cops when it was their filthy mutt attacking. Anyone who has a gun license is on the cops computer. They seized the person's guns even though they were attacked and didn't even use a gun. Cost over 20 grand in court. Canada is a big pile of moose crap now. I'm not a lawyer, but I only speak for me. If there is any altercation, do what you must and leave. From my personal experience from the situations involving fights, crimes...etc. 80% go unsolved, so many people do things and NEVER get caught. Want proof, notice how cops go on the news and say "Metro police need the public's help with any information they have on the crime or the person of interest." Some cops, because not all are good, may want to keep the community's safe, but they can't solve every crime or be there when its happening. Why self-defence would be scrutinized shows how immoral cops, politicians and the legal system is. Don't trust it, if people want to survive, don't wait on 911 to save your life.

[@andrewscheelar9656]

​@@AgxntAquabit of a late reply but you'd be justified. Surprisingly Canadian self defense law is one of the best in the world (which says a lot of the quality of the principal globally) A small 100lb woman shooting an unarmed 300lb man who breaks in would likely be straightforward. Thereve even been cases in Alberta where a man returned from a vacation, saw signs of break in and entered his home with a shotgun in a case. He discovered a intruder sleeping in his couch and unlocks his shotgun from case and kills the man when he attacked him Wasn't even charged!

[@grandmastermario3695]

According to are laws you cant do nothing, just got to basically stand there or try to run from them and scream for help, basically hope to god they don't catch and kill you, which is ridiculous, well in that case its either jail or death, stand there and get killed or fight back and go to jail.

[@megabushcraft]

So based on this analogy one is allowed to defend themselves after they have been punched in the jaw, almost knocked out and grabbed by the perpetrator and in this case someone larger than the victim??? That's not logical. How would anybody be able to defend themselves after they've had bodily harm inflicted on them and in a lot of cases without warning because a lot of people do wait till your back is turned or when a potential victim is not paying attention. Smh.

[@Orbnoticas]

Thank you!

[@duderlefebvre3869]

What if your 5'6" 160 and he's 6' 220, you're hopelessly outmatched...what then???

[@RandomPickles]

Do what ever you have to do. WIth what ever item you need to use. Fuck legality.

[@bowtieguy85]

Out intruder had my son and I outmatched 😅

[@tonymerkclelive1023]

That's what the law says... but I've seldom seen it play out in a logical manner. I had a kid working for me who was about 140 lbs and 5'5". He was constantly being bullied by 3 guys who were twice his size and trained at the local MMA gym. They stuffed him in lockers, and they would terrorize him in public, etc. One night, he went into a gas station and ran into the three guys who started shoving him. He got scared, pulled out a knife and stabbed one of them in the neck. Guess who went to jail? Not the three bullies. This country's justice system is a fucking joke.

[@Cmonsensee]

I don't listen to a KING TYRANT. I'll do what I got to do period

[@georgekondylis6723]

I’m glad William H. Macy has found a second career.

[@mannybolletta]

I should be allowed to pull out a gun. What if the other guy is bigger, has a weapon or even multiple assailants. Just because it has not happened to you does not guarantee your safety. People who outsource their safety should not criminalize neighbours who ensure theirs.

[@ryano7340]

I’m not a fighter I do not know how to fight the only things that I know is that it really hurts to get poked in the eyes. so if someone fight me and I jam my thumbs into the back of their eye sockets, so that they can no longer see me to engage Me in a fistfight, or in any sort of fight is that considered proportional? I will not win in any sort of physical confrontation with another person, but I know that you cannot fight with you cannot see

[@cheasmoon8213]

If a homeless man throws rocks at my car and I hit him with it is that self defense

[@meareAaron]

that "you cant defend your self yet" is so fucked up if you ask me. canada law down plays how strong a punch is no weapon does not mean they cant kill you. imo force should be allowed the moment somebody attemptsor shows intent to do bodily harm especially if it was an unprovoked aggression especially if some waste of space breaks in to your house... are you just gonna wait firsst if the guy has a gun or a knife before you defend your family? its so stupid

[@geoffm.9301]

Was broken up.

[@padillallan]

Can you please comment on this: Bill C-26 (S.C. 2012 c. 9) Reforms to Self-Defence and Defence of Property: Technical Guide for Practitioners DEFENCE OF PROPERTY - DETAILED EXAMINATION OF NEW SECTION 35 OF THE CRIMINAL CODE

[@loganwhite3904]

any update as to whether this has passed?

[@hotrod9873]

I don't know what to write other than.... W....T.....F....

[@djmoot4428]

So war is good cause defending country ,but defending family is not , bullshyt

[@nharper1968]

Wow does seem to rely on you being able to exactly modify your actions in the heat of the moment. So he’s punched you but you don’t know if they have a weapon, so they are on the ground and faking it, and slash you on the Achilles as you try to back off. And you then get kicked in but oh thank god you didn’t vicariously lay into them properly, that would be a terrible outcome….

[@LincolnHawk-bk5yr]

But what if he's way bigger than you and very aggressive and you hit him with a chair to even things up? That sounds reasonable to me.

[@activision4170]

It is reasonable

[@whitestarhorros3374]

This is really laughable, I am glad that he was laughing or chuckling while describing the events. 🤔

[@johnspartan98]

Canadian Self defence laws are utter nonsense. The Law assumes everyone can defend themselves against an attacker who knows how to fight when in fact most Canadians are not trained and incapable of matching fighting skills with a trained attacker. That's why certain types of sprays should be legal (at minimum) such as dog or bear repellants, especially for shop owners. Also, people naturally assume it's the bigger guy that is the aggressor when in most cases it's the opposite. The little THUGS always have something to prove and they don't care if they get charged. Bigger guys know they are going to look bad if they start something, so they rarely do.

[@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes]

Dog Spray And Bear Spray Is Legal.

[@johnspartan98]

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes Yes, but not for self defence against people. Try it and see what happens. Actually, try telling a cop you carry it for self defence against home invaders and see what happens. Read the Criminal code sunshine. I hope your Bible IQ is better. Epic fail on this topic.

[@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes]

@@johnspartan98 Why Would I Tell A Commissar Cop That? 😂

[@nogreatreset8506]

@@johnspartan98 you can use a legal weapon if you have to for self defense. In Canada if your weapon matches the weapon the attacker is using, then as long as you have a reason to defend yourself you can use that weapon. You have a God given right to reasonable self defense in Canada and they will let you go if you used a weapon without usually having to pay for a lawyer because if you did nothing wrong or your case is not especially complex (which most of the time it isn't) then you do not need a lawyer.

[@johnspartan98]

@@nogreatreset8506 You must be joking. There is no time to think in a home defence or self defence situation. Cops know it a blow unarmed people away all the time, and/or people armed with smurf guns or dull butter knives...LOL. If you start thinking about what your attacker is armed with it's going to be too late. You do not know our legal system in Canada too well. The cops lay charges all the time when it's obviously a self defence situation. Going to court is a crap shoot with or without a lawyer unless your lawyer is best buddies with the local judge or they belong to the same illuminati group.

[@aaronenglish7522]

It's stupid and needs to be changed! Sounds like we all need to be Jean-Claude Van Damme or Jackie Chan!

[@whitestarhorros3374]

Sadly admitting to knowing any training in any athletic sport with ultimately make you a weapon possibly a leathal weapon. Be careful. 🤔

[@aaronenglish7522]

@@whitestarhorros3374 I'm no vandam 😒

[@johnspartan98]

Why not talk about self defence in your own home when it's a home invasion? Also, even in self defence situations you will get charged and it will cost you 5K minimum for a lawyer. The legal system in Canada works against innocent people like a tax system. You might get off after spending a fortune in legal fees, but the ride is going to hurt and cause you and possibly your family a lot of financial hardship.....and the judges don't give a rats ass either.

[@nogreatreset8506]

Reasonable self defense will not be prosecuted. By the way you think Canada's legal system is corrupt? The United States justice system is worse thanks in part to a significant prison population an people being put in jail for small personal possession of cannabis.

[@D33Lux]

@@nogreatreset8506 You're wrong, it will go to court even if you're innocent, its gonna cost you a small fortune to prove your innocence. Look at the case of the Milton man who had men trying to invade his home, he shot two, injuring one, killing another. He's gonna walk, but after the crown has dragged hi m through the system and siphon every dollar he can from this innocent man. Canada needs a serious overhaul in politics and the injustice system.

[@nogreatreset8506]

@@D33Lux well yes you need to go to court to prove your innocence when applicable but like I said if the self defense was reasonable they will let you go and you will not be prosecuted. If you did nothing wrong, law abiding people should be more than willing to prove themselves innocent in court and shouldn't need to pay for a lawyer. By the way what dollars where taken? The Milton man was innocent and was let go.

[@jaypeters5224]

This is technically what _may_ happen in Canada. But I've beaten the absolute crap out of someone, cops never even looked twice when they saw he attacked me first, and threatened my girlfriend. I tuned him up _reealllly baaaad_ and broke his cheekbone, and not a word from the cops after the initial on site statements. I was uncuffed and let go, and that was that. Buddy went to the hospital, I went home. I've had a couple other self defense related incidents as well, and for the most part, I didn't ever get in much trouble for them. Cops have used the "mutual combat" argument to let both people go....one guy assaulted me right at my car door, and I even picked up a screwdriver from between the seats and tried shanking the guy....I literally wanted to kill him because he had been harassing me and my girlfriend for a while. Nothing. I told them what happened, what led to it. They knew of the other incidents and the guy was a low life scumbag. They let me go. I even caught him several weeks later on his own, at a party. Long story short, trapped him down a dead end road, and I dragged him out of his car, literally asphalt stomped the guy about 15 times with his coconut making coconut sounds as it impacted the ground. When the cops called me, I told them what happened. Literally nothing came of it. Everyone in town knew who messed him up....the cops.....the public....and I mean I _beeeeeat_ that kid nearly to death. Nothing. I also have a charge that was teduced to mischief after a kid tailgated me like a douche bag and I tapped the brakes a couple times. Finally got fed up, and pulled over and let him go by. Then the punk gave me the finger at the next stop light. That was it.....I pulled up beside him on the next street, told him to roll down his window and said "nice fcukin' driving cunt" "Fuck you f*gg*t" he replied. I got out my car, went around to his window and straight kicked thru his side window and actually kicked him in the face. All in all, I got 6 months probation, and a suspended 1 year sentence, even with my sorted history. They guy never showed up to court, so they took my original statements as fact, and never made me pay for any damages to his vehicle. My buddy also killed a guy in a fight. The "victim" had picked a fight or started trouble in some fashion with 5 different dudes before he started anything with my friend. My friend didnt know any of this at the time, and when the "victim" attacked his girlfriend, he punched him once, and as soon as he hit the ground, my buddy gave him a kick to the head. Killed the guy right there. He was detained, then arrested and taken in. He was let go the next morning and not a single charge was put on him or any of the other people involved with beating the "victim" up that night. They do consider exigent circumstances up here, and it seems like the cops often get creative in their reports to help out the obvious victim in the incident. I was even witnessed by cops beating the shit out of a guy at another bar for the same thing, picking shit with guys and their women. No idea the cops were even there. Nothing. I got my right shoulder popped out of joint when they grabbed me, but that was that. I was questioned and let go right there. Again, witness statements helped me out. Nothing ever came of it. I even have more stories, but my point is basically if Canada was as bad as they make it out to be for criminal charges as some make it out to be, I wouldn't be walking around right now, I'd be doing push ups and avoiding gang r*pe 😂

[@D33Lux]

Let me guess, you're Caucasian and so were the cops. Your friend committed murder as he used excessive force, but that's on his conscious. Consider yourself lucky you're not in prison for all the reckless b.s.

[@DaeDaeTV]

Ny only question to you is, whats your ethnicity lmao.

[@activision4170]

It's not bad. People just don't know the difference between charged and convicted, and believe whatever viral video is on social media. Our laws only really need to improved in the following ways: allow arming of non lethal weapons before a threat exists for the purpose of self defense. And have better definitions that aren't so vague. That's really it. Where this whole 'you can't defend yourself' nonsense is from is just absurd and definitely by people that are too weak to do anything. But I'm not gonna lie, a couple of your stories wouldn't pass in court lol, you went too extreme in a couple cases.

[@gallagherhelen]

so in other words, your story tells us that the law doesn't matter, it's entirely up to which cops happen to respond to the call and what they want to do on that particular day

[@Kevin-k9h8z]

Oya,better have witnesses, or your in a bucket of poop,,cause the criminals usually does have witnesses to cover their butt

[@clubtercelquebec]

Repentigny , pool bar (closed now , le scratch) , guy gets threatened, then pushed, by a bigger guy, headbutts the guy, agressor drops dead... he's in prison now. Your advices seems shaky at best , not entirely your fault, the law is fucked here. But still...

[@peternorthe1912]

Uh-ohhh… you implied that “common sense” should apply WRT self-defence? You are a lawyer. Generally speaking, if society practised common sense even 20% of its waking hours, 80% of lawyers would be unemployed!

[@activision4170]

Nahh they're employed because the laws are trash. Proportional force isn't clearly defined so you need someone that is a professional speaker to interpret it.

[@acanadian4785]

What people don’t understand is *this is not the USA*

[@Glide1992]

But it shouldn't have to be.

[@matthoffman6962]

Yes but there are still home invasions in Canada, a ton of gun violence, shootings, stabbings etc.

[@nogreatreset8506]

@@matthoffman6962 A lot of the crimes are in major cities and its mainly because of poor leadership and weak handling of criminals. Canada has had gun control for a long time an crime used to be much less.

[@rudociliak6683]

Defending yourself and your family is a universal world wide common sense thing. If a random person is coming in my house they are getting fucked up. Canada's self defense laws are completely backwards and need to be fixed. It's tyrannical against average citizens. Complete joke...

[@5T3V3N-ns9gg]

All these people asking whats legal... smh... just do what you gotta do, and keep your mouth shut.

[@Christine-jz5nk]

You broke into my home. Id rather ask for forgiveness than permission.

[@Kevin-k9h8z]

Better be judged by 12 than carried out by 6

[@adiolsen]

not real advise, waist of time