How does self-defence apply when defending your home?

[@bemusedkidney8619]

He's NOT a TikTok "prankster" as the media says... he's an outright criminal that films himself. He should be behind bars.

[@dcw1467]

He won't be though............Privileged, if you know what I mean🤔

[@libtardsrus7823]

Same as the BLM riots were mostly peaceful as our pathetic establishment would have us believe

[@hplovehandle]

​@@dcw1467 I don't understand. How is he privileged?

[@mre7862]

@@hplovehandle protected ‘minority’.

[@dirtyharold7164]

​@@hplovehandle he's black, which means the system cannot be too harsh on him or it will face accusations of racism.

[@williamgeorgefraser]

With the amount of knife crime in London, you would be stupid not to take action or run away. As for walking into my house, I would take off his head with a cricket bat. These are not pranks, they are crimes, especially at a time of so much criminal activity by gangs in big cities.

[@elizabethtetley2526]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍

[@mikehipperson]

@@Ben_3_2_1 Only if the 🐖s find the body!

[@tonytasker489]

​@@mikehipperson Bury the body in the garden. If for any reason the body is found, just say you bought some top soil off Fred West.

[@johnfrancis2215]

@@tonytasker489 🤣🤣👍

[@barriewilliams4526]

@@Ben_3_2_1 Simple, play the race card. Seem to work pretty well🙃

[@legion162]

The law needs to be totally scrapped and rewritten to favour the victim. Criminals are afforded more rights than victims right now

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

right now?? Its been that way for the last 30 years.

[@Fishshooting]

Police protect criminal's because criminals protect the police's JOBS....

[@davey1602]

Get rid of human rights lawyers.

[@randomsimpsonsquotes6033]

If you break the law you shouldn't be protected by the law until you have been arrested.

[@mercedesblack7828]

​@@davey1602 Why? Some human rights laws need to go. It is about time we operate a system whereby people get out what they put in. Idiots in society should have job prospects threatened. Those who don't want to work should be given vouchers to buy stuff. Total wasters should be separated from society. Why are we only treating paedophiles as outcasts?

[@Bugster987]

You really should be able to protect yourself by any means necessary. If somebody is in your house then all bets are off.

[@qwertyrobbo101]

Exactly, we need to adopt the US Castle Doctrine for home defense

[@VTepesIII]

You can if you are trapped with no escape and fear you are about to die. Its all about the correct wording in court

[@MSM4U2POM]

You can. You can use ANY weapon provided you do so in self-defence and use reasonable force. If that weapon happens to be an unlicenced firearm you can still use it in lawful self-defence, although you will almost certainly be charged with firearms offences afterwards. Possession of an illegally held firearm does not automatically make you guilty of murder or any of the Section 18 or 20 offences - that is a complete myth.

[@b.nichols3255]

I once stayed in another country where a burglar was caught and killed by the homeowner. The response from the police there was " Tough. The burglar should not have been there". The burglar never did it again.

[@benjaminwilson3896]

😂😂😂

[@StarlasAiko]

As it should be in all countries.

[@ArmchairOps]

I love a happy ending.

[@spazmonkey3815]

That has happened here in America many times.

[@jxy_vbn8156]

As it should be.

[@murray1607]

Nothing he did could remotely be consider a prank, he's just a criminal and shitty person. The fact he's not getting time for it is just another disgrace of our legal system.

[@mercedesblack7828]

He may think himself some kind of hero for exposing it. Like it's something we don't already know. Too many idiots.

[@swaders]

Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

[@bobikdylan]

He doesn't realise this yet. Let's hope six months in an adult prison will wake him up.

[@rogersmith8339]

​@@bobikdylan He will leave with a ragged prison wallet.

[@rogersmith8339]

Make sure your first blow is effective then you are not using excessive force.

[@Direkin]

'Prankster', because tresspassing into people's homes, dognapping, inappropriately touching random people in the street, and threatening to kill them is just side-splittingly hillarious. I think we all know that if this happened in certain states in the US, Mizzy would be a problem that would sort itself out in short order. The fact that he received such a paltry fine is ridiculous, especially when others get fined heavier for far less.

[@leemasters2794]

the good thing about the USA is that mizzy would enter a house and walk straight into the nasty end of something like an AR15 !! 2 rounds top dead centre ! and from what ive seen (if true) the sherrif would deem it a home invasion and therefore a legal killing !

[@CarlosGambino_22]

Think if he did this in certain parts of the uk he'd be slapped straight out..

[@goodyeoman4534]

There's a reason he picks on female dog walkers and elderly home owners. Let him try it with a 20 stone rugby player or a gang of feral youths in whatever sink estate he grew up in.

[@eddyraja3115]

A KZbinr known for pranking people was shot at a Washington, D.C.-area mall on Sunday. Tanner Cook, who appears on the "Classified Goons" KZbin channel, said he was playing a prank when a man shot him. The Loudoun County Sheriff's Office in Virginia arrested 31-year-old Alan W. Colie for allegedly shooting the 21-year-old Cook at Dulles Town Center Mall Food Court, the sheriff's office said in a statement. Colie was charged with aggravated malicious wounding, use of a firearm in the commission of a felony, and discharging a firearm within a building.

[@MDM1992]

​@@CarlosGambino_22i'd have run at them swinging a machete or a large knife, plenty of them in my home, if you waltz into my castle where my young children are, you're fair game in my book, ill deal with the law later fuck taking chances on 3 adults barging past my wife and into my home.. all bets are off at that point. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@ReclusiveAshta]

I don't care about reasonable force when lives are under threat. How can a "reasonable" person make a "reasonable" decision when they're in a state of flight or fight? The law needs a reform desperately.

[@PeterPieterson]

The law is an ASS! For far too long the British law has favoured the criminal together with the liberal mindset of the population where there is a general belief that there are no "bad people". "People will never truly understand something until it happens to them".

[@firstLast-jw7bm]

the only people who think "reasonable force" is real are people who haven't been in life or death scenarios any level of force is reasonable to them who desire to remain amongst the living

[@cedenullis5906]

The incident in which this black man entered a family home, along with others, notwithstanding this moronic individual considers it a ‘prank’ my view is he has lost any rights to a defence against injury. The victim in this case is a family man who is with his wife and children. If I were in that position under those circumstances, my instant reaction would be to use explosive and violent defensive aggression against the invaders. It’s is a fact that a significant number of the black community in London have no regard for the Law or other socially acceptable behaviour. The same is true of other communities within our society who have been encouraged by the so called academic elite that it’s their right to take a nonconformist attitude, it’s their Human Right to be objectionable! These individuals, as soon as they are challenged and meet opposition to their behaviour, cry wolf! Resulting in a line of solicitors and barristers willing to come forward to defend them! It’s time the Law abiding majority woke up and stood against these individual. The Law has proved impotent. It is seen to protect those intent on causing alarm and distress to the majority.

[@larryjimbob]

Mizzy is a paid actor. Watch Hugo Talks

[@moominassasin3258]

Especially if you can't remember what you did because you saw red when you felt under threat. 😉 diminished responsibility, I think.

[@anthonymills7182]

I've been married for 50 yrs and my main concern is my wife.I wouldn't care what the law says these people would need an ambulance.

[@oz_jones]

If you threathen me or my family with violence in my home, expect that i will respond with lethal force. In Minecraft

[@ArmchairOps]

If that were my home it'd be the last time he walked through someone's doorway, he'd be made short work of. I know a lot of people who would concur. ...In Minecraft, of course.

[@notreal1477]

And you'd never see your wife again as a free man. The law needs changed not just accepted and ignored. In florida if someone breaks and enters on your property their are no charges for shooting or killing said individual. Actions having consequences in the uk is unheard of though.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

Very laudable, but also what would happen is that you go to jail for attacking him, then all his gang friends come and pay your wife a "visit" while you're in the slammer, and the police do nothing about it.

[@spazmonkey3815]

In my case they would need a hearse.

[@nigelkthomas9501]

As for the Tony Martin case, he should’ve been knighted for what he did. He’d been plagued by scum for years and the police were as much use a cardboard stab vest! “Reasonable” force may not be enough. It’s always going to be better to “win” comfortably than just get over the bar.

[@happydavid13]

They were scummers and received the type of justice they deserved; scummer’s justice.

[@andrewsingleton2710]

They jailed Tony Martin because he shot one of them in the back which meant the burglar was running away. Shooting someone in the back is not self defense

[@nigelkthomas9501]

@@andrewsingleton2710 I couldn’t give monkeys! That poor bloke had been pestered for years by burglars and the like, and the coppers were as much use as an ashtray on a motorcycle!

[@happydavid13]

@@nigelkthomas9501 exactly. As I said above, scummers got scummers justice. Exactly they type of justice they deserved.

[@nigelkthomas9501]

@@andrewsingleton2710 Absolutely! It’s not self defence, it’s called punishment or more often karma these days.

[@martiniv8924]

Walking up to a woman and saying ‘do you want to die ? ’ I should imagine is very traumatizing for the victim, and I believe deserves a heavy fine, and custodial sentence.

[@fredmercury1314]

He touched her. That's sexual assault. He should be jailed and put on the sex offenders register. Threatening her life means extra jail time on top. Remember that 18 year old white lad who touched a girl's elbow and tried to chat to her? He got put on the SO register for that. This pervert stroked the girl's hair and threatened to kill her. *Why is he not in jail?*

[@Stormcrow_1]

Walking up to anyone and saying that is going to be pretty traumatizing, regardless of sex.

[@justonecornetto80]

@@fredmercury1314 He touched her hair. It`s a bit of a stretch to call it sexual assault.

[@fredmercury1314]

@@justonecornetto80 It was clearly sexual assault. An 18 year old white boy got taken to court and found guilty of sexual assault, and placed on the sex offenders register, for touching a girl's elbow while trying to chat to her. Mizzy threatened to kill a girl while stroking her hair, in a clearly sexually charged manner, without her permission. I say if that was sexual assault, then this is sexual assault also. And far worse because it was performed under clear duress and threat of physical harm. They've should've given him 15 years for this one video alone.

[@justonecornetto80]

@@fredmercury1314 His intention was clearly to cause her alarm and distress but the CPS would have a very difficult job establishing his motive as a sexual one as he made no comments of a sexual nature, even though his actions were utterly vile. Perhaps you could offer more background on the other case such as what he wanted to chat to the girl about because any lewd comment made beforehand makes all the difference with regard to his intentions.

[@99tisard]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[@xMrjamjam]

A bat with a sock or if you arent worried about causing permenent harm resulting in a harsher punushment for defending yourself get a tactical whip, its a 2 foot section of some plastic coated steel cable which even with a light swing causes serious pain but no injuries

[@ericconnor8419]

Exactly, you will have a jury trial anyway and most British people believe you should be able to defend yourself, I would risk it.

[@boshirahmed]

Most decent people are able to think that way and fear the law, criminals do not.

[@DerekEmerson]

He was on Piers Morgan and during the interview he was questioned on ‘getting off lightly’ his reply was “it’s not my fault the UK justice system is soft, is it?”

[@taras6806]

I think that was about the only point Mizzy made that had any reference to anything. I saw that too. He is lucky as has been said that he is in UK where guns are not a general 'thing'. Unlucky for the rest of us perhaps. Mizzy couldn't string a sentence together in that supposed interview - I think the only sentence he could string together would be a well-deserved prison sentence.

[@rahjah6958]

His argument excuses pedophiles

[@rahjah6958]

@@taras6806 nothing to do with guns, Im not even allowed to use a teapot as a weapon, I’m meant to “hide and call the police”

[@RichardEnglander]

Yep, which shows how he sees UK as some foreign place he's not really part of.

[@taras6806]

@@rahjah6958 Yes of course. The slight problem there is whether they would arrive on time.

[@numbers111222]

If you act in self defence and I'm on the jury, I'm going to find you not guilty.

[@thunderbug8640]

Same.

[@jpswaddle7899]

Stab first, ask questions later.

[@bobmiller4573]

Yup, remember whatever the prosecution says to try and trick you the jury members can always vote how they want and not be penalised for it.

[@MSM4U2POM]

So what would a homeowner have to do to NOT act in self-defence, in your opinion?

[@BarryCampbell6822]

When I was a young person, I was an unpleasant and, to my shame, violent individual. As a result, I was locally extremely unpopular. By the time I was in my late twenties, I was a parent, and a lover of, and contributor to, my community; Arrests, subsequent severe court imposed punishments, the efforts of prison staff and the probation service, led me to understand right from wrong and to appreciate the long term impact my actions had on others. This seldom happens today, because the sentences imposed by the courts are laughably lenient and have zero deterrent value. This kid has just received a slap on the wrist for a home invasion. If he and his mates do it again, and they scare somebody to death or they themselves are killed or harmed during, it will be because the courts were too scared to give him 6 months in the nick for what was obviously legally burglary. It also sets a worrying precedent, as in, "Nah, officer, we weren't going to Rob or harm anyone, we was making a tiktok vid init". It would have done the lad, and everyone else, a lot more good than harm to punish him accordingly.

[@janicemchale7019]

Well done on changing your life. I agree the judicial system is a shambles.

[@SuperBartles]

If you've managed to turn your life around, then well done. A lot of people don't manage it, do they? And there are always more challenges, at every stage

[@cologne2792]

" Well, Your Honour, I immediately identified the accused standing in my house and recognised that he was subject to a Court Order that he was clearly ignoring. It was then abundantly clear that as he had no respect for the law, the Order or the consequences of ignoring either, I decided the only viable course of action was to let him have it. "

[@chrisholmes1736]

If someone like him comes into my house, they aren't coming out of it.

[@MDM1992]

​@@chrisholmes1736don't be silly, you drag them out to the gutter where they belong once you're done with them, fuck keeping them. 😂

[@dcw1467]

lol🤣👍

[@jaxkovak]

I do not understand how asking someone if they want to die (threatening their life) can be considered a prank. It is not.

[@daza3620]

Its not a prank, Imagine if a 40 year old white dude went up to 3 girls and started touching them and asking if they want to die. 5bor more years in prison no doubt.

[@stevedawg9588]

Well, it would seem to me that this moron has a death wish himself..Just a matter of time until he messes with the wrong person...

[@incedofortis]

He is from protected group, your argument smell of white racist

[@a_Minion_of_Soros]

Credible threat to life. Leathal force is reasonable in my private opinion.

[@bill-2018]

A threat if you ask me and I'd make sure I get the first punch in.

[@kevster6244]

Let me just say. He wouldn't have walked back out on his own.

[@mogs23]

Yeah carried out in a bodybag

[@alangknowles]

Organ harvesting?

[@michaellewis5934]

He'd be a missing person by now if he tried it at my house.

[@ro63rto]

@@michaellewis5934 Why, would you have hidden the body then 🤔?

[@dawnrowlands2408]

I'd have whacked him with my stick. If anyone dares to just wander in my home, then sod the consequences, I'm going to retaliate. This complete waste of oxygen needs to be behind bars.

[@kpeugh2011]

This is why I lock my door the moment I enter my home. And as a single mum I’m ALWAYS defending my child. Thankfully I live in the USA, in a state with Castle laws. So if you enter my home without invitation here, I’m highly unlikely to face criminal charges.

[@qwertyrobbo101]

I wish we had Castle law here in the UK

[@spazmonkey3815]

Yup, I live in the USA also and I'm glad I do.

[@supreme_overlord]

The "I was just pranking him by smashing his face in with a baseball bat" defence.

[@lewis72]

Tony Martin: Legend. Norwich fans were subsequently singing "We shoot burglars. We shoot burglars."

[@oz_jones]

Top lad

[@essexoffroader3773]

The only mistake Tony Martin made was being a bit slow reloading

[@andyetheridge]

not just burglars but were they not pikeys

[@MSM4U2POM]

This would be the Tony Martin who knew he didn't have a leg to stand on, so he lied through his teeth in court and got found out, would it? Complete berk, more like.

[@lewis72]

@@MSM4U2POM He was fed up with being burgled and the police doing nothing about it.

[@warlockuk6939]

The British criminal system always seems to want to protect the perpetrator not the defender and we wonder why the law and the legal system is considered such a joke by the public.

[@barriewilliams4526]

Particularly if the perpetrator ticks the right boxes.

[@exgren]

Especially if he's a certain colour

[@FantasyVisuals]

Who are the judge who set this up ? Infiltrators who hate you. You're unde attack and you don't even realise it

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Just house the migrants and eat the bugs 😅

[@adelejones3746]

@@barriewilliams4526 as was the case in the Martin job. He defended himself against three very violent and lawless individuals, but that tends to be overlooked for PC reasons.

[@oliverbourne9599]

Of course, when faced with immediate danger, in or out of your house, the first thing you do is stop and spend a few minutes thinking through how "proportionate" your response is. Hopefully, while you're doing that, the robber / assailant / murderer pauses to give you that thinking time 🙄

[@cgsec2275]

You should be considering these things before hand so you can react immediately without thinking. The reasonable force law is actually very simple from what I read and I won't need to take a pause if something happens. I am not a legal expert though so I suggest people look it up on official places.

[@fraggsta]

It's quite simple. If someone breaks into your house, you can fear for your life and hit them. If they then fall over and are unconscious, *don't keep hitting them*.

[@oliverbourne9599]

@@fraggsta Idiot. How do you know what response will incapacitate them?. You need to be sure they go down, that they don't strike first and that they can't get up and retaliate. Clear enough for you ? Stop taking the side of criminals who choose to put themselves in that position

[@leonardhughes5461]

In Canada the right to use self-defense is "sort of, kind of, iffy, maybe, possibly." Our PM, Trudeau has stated if you use a gun (even if it's the intruder's gun that you wrestled from him) and kill the intruder, you WILL be charged with 1st degree murder. What a pathetic excuse for a prime Minister. Thus, in rural Canada there are numerous reports of home intruders dying in a fight with the homeowner, no police are called (who wants to be charged defending one's family against a guy breaking into your home at 3am), the intruder is buried at a far corner of the property. Who can blame the homeowner? Right of self-defense should be robust. If a criminal doesn't want problems with a homeowner, DON'T DO CRIMINAL ACTS!!!!!

[@bobikdylan]

Mizzy. Don't come into my house. You won't like what happens. Some of us don't care about the consequences.

[@RichardEnglander]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[@wasted-blaster.]

Alright hard man 👍

[@bobikdylan]

@@wasted-blaster. I'm not a hard man, and that's the point. I'm getting old and wouldn't be able to weigh up how much force would be reasonable if, say, two young burglars entered my house. I'd just reach for whatever came to hand and start swinging.

[@stephengraham1153]

@@bobikdylan And if someone comes into my house and asks me if I want to die I can use disproportionate force, but if someone approaches me at night on a dark country lane and asks me the same question I'm only allowed to use reasonable force - and without any legal definition of either I'm supposed to know the difference - and even if I did, in the heat of an attack I'm supposed to be able to confine my physical response to either. Hmmm...

[@Gmjd64]

@@Ben_3_2_1I bet your a 🤡

[@joefarr3304]

For a start, ban him from holding any social media accounts for the next 100 years.

[@christinecanning5972]

Good idea 👍

[@dawnmoriarty9347]

How to enforce such a ban? EDITED to add......I despise his actions and would happily see him going to jail for a long time for his already documented behaviour. He's invading privacy and it's extremely unfunny. Social media sites in this case Tik Tok and those who watch such videos are also culpable

[@BedsitBob]

@@dawnmoriarty9347 A long prison sentence, for breaking the ban.

[@sirmalus5153]

@@dawnmoriarty9347 Might have to enforce common sense in his case. if he is in "trouble" again in the next 10 years say and it is to do with his social media 'presence', then he goes to jail for 5 years for a start maybe. We need to stamp out behaviour like his, before someone dies in a scuffle or from shock, like the old woman might have done when her dog was stolen. I can honestly say with hand on heart, that if a dog of mine had been taken in such a mannner as that, I would now be inside charged with his manslaughter.

[@stephengraham1153]

And if tik-toc stopped videos such as his from being shown and the tik-toc audience stopped watching them he wouldn't bother (probably).

[@Becca159]

The length of time you could possibly be in custody for dealing with an attacker is definitely shorter than the length of time you will be dead if they kill you. That makes it simple for me.

[@colchesterelec5105]

👍

[@anthonyshillingford848]

I don't know.....the things you could be subjected to in prison might make you wish you were dead. Probably a better alternative is to live on a pig farm, no evidence, no crime.

[@ggjr61]

I’m not British but at least based on the stories I read I would never know self defense was legal in any form in Britain. I see lots of stories where people are clearly defending themselves yet still end up in jail or prison and the criminal either gets off completely or gets a lesser sentence than the victim.

[@poppedweasel]

These are the ones that make the headlines. I was near fatally stabbed in my own home. I fought my attacker off, wounding him in the process and the law was on my side.

[@spazmonkey3815]

I feel sorry for the British and Canadians ...they have far fewer rights than we do in the states. I can go out tomorrow and buy a 9mm pistol with no problems. However I don't have one now because my wife would kill me.

[@leonardhughes5461]

Canada is much worse than Britain. Everyone here knows you have a 99% chance of being criminally charged. Our Crown prosecutors ALWAYS 2nd, 3rd, 4th and more guess what you should have done. What the Crown here has said is basically you have the right to tell the intruder to sit quietly, and wait for the police. That sounds like a winning formula, doesn't it? And if you wrestle the intruder's gun from him and shoot him and he dies, you WILL be charged with 1st degree murder. Canadians (if possible) are resorting to disposing of their dead bodies by burying them somewhere. When one's own government abandons decent, law abiding citizens we have to realize "we're on our own." Do what we have to do to survive, screw the government.

[@steveo4991]

Then you’re looking at the wrong stories. Plenty of instances of self defence over the last few years in the UK that didn’t lead to charges. And we’re talking about the criminals losing their lives not just getting their arses beat. One dude in London stabbed 3 people to death in an alley way, no charges. One old guy stabbed a burglar to death, also London, no charges. One teenager stabbed someone to death and was only charged for the knife because it wasn’t within legal carry specifications 🤷‍♂️

[@steveo4991]

@@spazmonkey3815Is that why the UK has been higher than the US on the world freedoms index year on year for decades? I feel sorry for Americans who are clearly brainwashed into thinking they live in the most free country there is despite it being objectively untrue. Freedom is much deeper than “muh guns and muh speech.” And the legal burden of proof for self defence is higher in the US than the UK, and most of Europe, specifically because of the only freedom you could point to…

[@InteloPL]

The moment you enter my house ubanounced and outside of law you're considered an invader.

[@davidsmith8728]

The 'Tony Martin' case was interesting insofar as relates to the mitigating factors. He was a elderly, frail gentleman, living alone, in an isolated dwelling, had been subject to a number of previous burglaries and this occurred during the hours of darkness. He fired a gun, into the darkness, as a warning shot (???) and it just happened that one of the offenders received a fatal wound. As an aside, both the offenders had many, many previous convictions for offences of dishonesty - theft, burglary etc. -

[@mercedesblack7828]

Was that the chap who got away with it and did not serve any time?

[@colchesterelec5105]

@@mercedesblack7828 nope Tony was imprisioned for 5 years after appeal ..serving 3 years ..only to be released then the surviving intuder tried to get compensation for his inurys despite having a long long string of convictions for theft ...there is no real way of knowing that you're not going to prision if you confront a burglar or other assailant in the uk....just one of many ways the uk legal system supports the ciminals first.

[@davidsmith8728]

@@mercedesblack7828 He was convicted of murder in the first instance and then, because of the public reaction and support which was clear, there was an appeal and it was reduced to manslaughter and he served a brief period in custody.

[@justonecornetto80]

Tony Martin was actually 54 and a working farmer at the time of the incident, so he wasn`t frail or elderly. The reason he was originally convicted of murder was because he had been in the pub in the days leading up to the incident telling anyone who cared to listen that he was going to kill the next person who broke into his home and it came to light that five years earlier that he had been stripped of his firearms licence for shooting at someone he claimed had been stealing his apples. This enabled the prosecution to establish a degree of premeditation and a pattern of behaviour for using excessive force. It was also established that the fatal shot occurred after the burglar tried to flee through a window in an adjacent room. In other words, Martin chased him there and shot him in the back. As there was no immediate threat to his own life at that moment, the jury deemed this to be unreasonable force within the directions issued by the judge and convicted him of murder. His conviction was later reduced on appeal to manslaughter by diminished responsibility because he had been diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder and Asperger`s syndrome while in prison. The public outcry didn`t even come into it as the submission of self defence made by Martin`s counsel was rejected by the appeal court panel. His sentence was reduced on the basis of degree of responsibility alone. I would also add that Martin had his first parole application rejected as he was deemed to be a danger to the public and that decision was upheld in the High Court. He was released after three years because that was the maximum amount of time he could be held for with remission for good behaviour. Btw, I was living in the area at the time and wasn`t all that surprised when this occurred. My grandmother knew Martin fairly well and often said he was a bit of a nutter.

[@mercedesblack7828]

@@justonecornetto80 How on earth can someone put in a position of having to defend their own home and loved ones be assessed as a danger to the wider public? People who drive recklessly are a danger to the wider public and property. People who attack at random are a risk to the wider public. People who light fires are a danger to the wider public. Not someone in their own home. Besides, if you don't want to be shot by someone who publicly declared what their reaction would be then don't bloody break in.

[@ageoflistening]

Its ridiculous. The law is upside-down on home invasion. If a stranger enters someone elses home they should be aware that they are putting their own life at risk invading a house. They are putting themselves in danger. The fact that this is up for discussion is ridiculous.

[@morbideddie]

No one is saying you cant defend yourself in a home invasion. People are saying you cant murder people who break into your home. Pretty big difference.

[@MDM1992]

​​@@morbideddieif they enter your home with bad intent its not murder. Its self defence. Manslaughter at WORST. if i wake up to a man with a knife smashing the downstairs window and in my half asleep and fearful state i stab him with a kitchen knife, are you really suggesting i pre meditated killing that threat to my life? Because thats what murder is.

[@angryengine9616]

​@@morbideddie why not? Lmao. Why give them any quarter at all?

[@morbideddie]

@@angryengine9616 because murder is bad. Can’t believe that needs explaining to people, but you can’t just kill people.

[@ericconnor8419]

They are, you are allowed to batter them, who told you that you are not allowed to defend your own home? Sounds like you have been believing nonsense in the Daily Mail.

[@NeilFLiversidge]

Anyone walking into my place like that does so at his own risk. Why has he not been charged with 'threats to kill'? He has shown a video where he asks a young girl if she wants to die and says he can 'take her out'' whilst putting his hand in his pocket, a deliberate move intended to suggest that he has a weapon. I recommend he stays in London where the people are too frightened to stand up to him. I really don't recommend that he comes to Yorkshire.

[@Reman1975]

He's been taught that he's a member of a protected group. He's learnt that UK laws aren't even handed when dealing with different cultures, and he's decided that he's not subject to the UK's rules.......... And he's not the only one who thinks this way. This is why inner city crime has got REALLY out of hand. Laws that would put people in prison for years if broken by the "Indigenous" folks are being used as leniently as possible when dealing with anyone from a minority or right group.

[@gsum1000]

There was nothing remotely disproportionate about Tony Martin's actions. He should not have been charged with anything given the circumstances.

[@Nickcooper625]

He left a window unsecured, took the fuse out of the lighting circuit, removed several steps from the staircase, and sat at the top of it cradling the shotgun he did not have legal possession of, one that required a Firearms Certificate rather than a Shotgun Certificate. He wasn't an innocent homeowner caught unawares, he set a deliberate trap with the intention of shooting any intruders he deliberately attracted.

[@SiCrewe]

@@Nickcooper625 On the other hand, his farm had been robbed repeatedly and the robbers had publically claimed that the police couldn't help him and they'd continue to target him. As I said in another comment, regardless of how you feel about this case, it was more convoluted than the headlines suggest.

[@johnwoodward4319]

@@Nickcooper625 you forgot to mention that he had been invaded several times before by these scum.

[@jimbobjimbob8275]

​@@Nickcooper625 maybe because he had been repeatedly targeted? Doesn't matter what traps had been set, if they hadn't invaded his home, they would not have been hurt.

[@thunderbug8640]

​@@Nickcooper625 The fault is entirely on those who CHOSE to break in. The fact he was ready for them is immaterial, since he wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone had no one broken in.

[@Reman1975]

"Well, your honour, when I became aware that there was an intruder in the house, I was in the kitchen making some toast. Funny story your honour, I couldn't for the life of me find the butter knife that evening, and therefore, I had to improvise. So there I was, buttering this toast using a 17" Wilkinson Sword Pattern 1907 bayonet, which for one reason or another, was still attached to the fully functional, and licenced, Lee Enfield rifle I use for target shooting and historical battle re-enactments...............". :D

[@danielmac7738]

It wont be long before Smokers have to put away their cigarette if an intruder comes in, as its classed as their workplace. Stupid laws that help the criminals.

[@nonaknight9491]

No they will just have to let them take what they want🤬

[@MDM1992]

​​@@nonaknight9491i for one, would rather sit in jail with my head held high than lock myself in a cupboard and just hope my mrs and kids arent killed, assaulted, or both.. in the 3 days it will take the police to arrive.. id rather them visit me in jail than bury them or have them burying me.

[@jamesmurphy7828]

If the law says I'm not allowed to use deadly force against something like that then the law is wrong... There's my take on it.

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

Agreed. I mean if I'm to refrain from subduing a potential threat to my family then I have no time or patience for the daft c you next Tuesday who came up with it.

[@chunkymonkey55555]

Yeah the thing is though it depends in my opinion. A man might be mentally ill and confused but not aggressive, to slay someone like that instead of bunkering down in a room and calling the police might be a bit far? On the other hand, if someone is literally coming for you in your house, you must be aggressive or will likely lose the fight. Law should be in favour of the home owner in my opinion.

[@WillCamx]

If someone invades your house and asks you if you want to die then I believe that a. you are entirely justified to believe him and b. you can use any mean available to neutralise the threat. I'd rather take my chances in court than be going to my own funeral or that of any of my family.

[@63mckenzie]

He'd not be doing it again if it was my house.

[@gordon861]

@@WillCamx Yes 'neutralise the threat' so once they are down and out you aren't allowed to keep beating on them (unless they are getting up again), and don't do what a family did in the past of kidnapping the guy and then beating him with bats until he was almost dead.

[@FamilyFriendlyBushcraft]

As far as I’m concerned when an intruder enters a private residence then they relinquish any ‘rights’ they may have. The law be damned.

[@PercivalBlakeney]

Opposed as I am to capital punishment… Peter Osborne-Brooks did set a precedent. As is inculcated to combat troops when in any doubt about "the rules of engagement" "It is far better to be «tried by twelve» rather than «carried by six»." 🥀

[@rangerwhite5165]

If they're illegally in your house, they're fair game, even for lethal force. You do not know their motive and you shouldn't have to try to reason why they have entered.

[@ppo2424]

No that's bollocks mate

[@rubix4195]

Maybe across the Pond but, nah, not here.

[@barbaradownie3265]

THESE "PRANKSTERS" HAVE NO RIGHT IN THREATENING PEOPLE

[@timg1246]

NO ONE SAID THEY DO. No one said they do. Oh look, it works in lower case too.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

@@timg1246 Yeah...why is @barbaradownie3265 typing in ROMAN DOG LATIN for the illiterate?

[@Kari_B61ex]

His latest 'prank' has been to drive a train... He filmed himself grabbing at the controls of the train. The train had passengers onboard!

[@MoorlanderEDC]

Brilliant video, and very enlightening

[@dave-si1vq]

Why would you care about the law or consequences if your wife and children were in danger??? You should eliminate the threat without hesitation. What is wrong with people?

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

because something like that carries consequences for the home owner/real victims - Its unfortunate but the UK doesnt have a castle doctrine or a stand-your-ground law.

[@dave-si1vq]

@@Rose.Of.Hizaki who cares? If you dont eliminate that threat to your family they could be raped murdered etc. Oh but at least you didn't get nicked? Yeah right.

[@stevemicheudedubois.3230]

I don't care, if someone threatens my family, I would shallow grave them in the local woods..😤😡

[@mercedesblack7828]

Things could get ridiculous. If your kids get hurt, social services might list you as an unfit parent...

[@stevemicheudedubois.3230]

@@mercedesblack7828 That is a very good point. Which is why you have bury the scumbag's body where it will never be found 😏👍

[@leew6091]

What home invader? Oh, dont worry about that noise. Its just the dog in the basement.

[@dannyadams4765]

I live at home with my disabled mum. My priority is her and to hell with the consequences

[@DavidFraser007]

Slightly different here in Czech Republic, guns are allowed to be used in self defence, concealed carry of a hand gun is permitted here. I don't own a gun, but I do have a crossbow hanging up on the bedroom wall.

[@oz_jones]

Oh man, Castle Doctrine, quite literally.

[@mikestanley3219]

He might walk in, but he wouldn't walk out.

[@NBeev1]

Back when I was about 14 years old (in the early 90's), one of my neighbours was burgled. He caught the burglar and shoved him through a windowed door, which smashed and the trespasser suffered cuts to his arm and shoulder, might ave had his head cut as well, my neighbour was fined and ordered to pay a compensation of around 3000, which was alot more back then than it is now! The trespasser got something silly like 60 hours community service!

[@lloydy1312]

If someone breaks into your home, you should be able to defend yourself and your home without worrying about being in trouble. If you hold back and then get injured or worse, where is the justice in that?

[@R1chardH]

People don't realise there were 3 of them that went into the house, all dressed like chavvy yobs. I'm disappointed in the sentence, and the lack of a kicking.

[@xiaowong6651]

3:30 the man should get a medal instead of a conviction

[@woodrick88]

Let's be real here. No matter what the law actually says, if the white homeowner had even just laid one hand on this black intruder then the police would have dragged the white man off to jail. Does anybody disagree?

[@Naptosis]

Yes, I disagree. Most people in the UK are white, and after victimisation, haven't been dragged off by police to jail.

[@fumaninjaknownoequal]

What colour is the sky in your world

[@RichardEnglander]

Absolutely the case. The law now is asymmetric and native Whites are at the whip-hand of migrant diaspora.

[@crotchet1586]

Why don't you go and be real over there instead?

[@bobeyes3284]

I would have made sure he was hurt enough to justify getting nicked over.

[@northeastcorals]

Our self defence laws are pathetic.

[@spr00sem00se]

In my uneducated opinion, if a person enters my home without permission, and appears to be violent in nature, that person and I will have a violent confrontation, anything I can use to help me eject them from my home will be used, I have four daughters, and anyone who thinks they will enter my home, will quickly learn how violent a father who fears for his daughters can be. I am not a big strong guy, so it's perfectly reasonable for me to use a force multiplier. If I end up in prison having saved my family from rape or similar, then I will go to prison with my head held high. The law really needs to simply allow any defence possible within the bounds of a person's home. Low life scum who burgle and rape would be less likely to do so if they know the occupants can legally terminate their worthless life.

[@highmyope-ps2by]

I am female and seventy-five years old, which gives me a distinct advantage. After ordering the intruder out of my house I would give him a good handbagging. Given the weight of my reticule I might well do time for manslaughter. Great video.

[@oz_jones]

Gave me a chuckle, cheers. Stay safe

[@paulbrenning7022]

I simply do not care about the law when it comes to someone just invading my home or telling me if I want to die. After that far as I am concerned there will be true violence just for my own safety.

[@fredmercury1314]

Honestly, if he's intimating that he has a knife, and there's a gang of his mates in close proximity, my safety is already out the window. I'm just looking to do as much damage as possible, so they don't kill me without learning something.

[@superloopy24v]

Doing a half hearted job of defending yourself due to the fear you will be punished puts you in more danger again. Even if the person is arrested it doesn't always end there with the potential for vengeance or intimidation from the culprits or their friends and family. This is especially likely within certain communities such as those that were regularly burgling Tony Martin and those that forced their way in to the home of Richard Osborn-Brooks. In both cases the victim would have been better off killing both intruders and disposing of them given what they went through and still go through following the incidents.

[@ianmarr2557]

An accident with a boiling pot or kettle would be unfortunate. Getting spooked by a complete stranger in your own home may be alarming and cause a reflex action when carrying things.. Oh, the baseball bat? He fell on that after being scalded by the water, your honour.

[@me5969]

I know a lad by the name of "Scouse" (no prizes for guessing where he's from) and his girlfriend was telling us at a BBQ how there was a woman in Liverpool who was going around shouting for help through letter boxes so when people opened up to help, men would burst in and tie them up and rob them ect. Scouse at the time was about 16st and looks like Tom Hardy in Bronson but with more tattoos and a beard. He had a plan to deal with these intruders but that never happened but what did happen (allegedly) is two people tried to steal his car, so he (allegedly) got his girlfriend to cover him in baby lotion (an idea he stole from the film Bronson ironically) put on a pair of battered old army boots and climbed out of the bedroom room window and onto the canopy above the door and then jumped down and started attacking the two men. Moral of the story is, people might be prepared for a fight but they're certainly not prepared for a 16st naked scouser to fall from the sky and start chasing them. Honestly the best way to deal with intruders is to just charge at them naked because not many people want to get bummed.

[@davidw460]

How can the force used in my defence of my life EVER be disproportionate ?

[@MSM4U2POM]

When they are disproportionate. Mystery solved, I'd say.

[@maryy6068]

As a female, I wouldn't be held responsible for my actions, he wouldn't have walked out. Its a home invasion.

[@mercedesblack7828]

Surely women should have priority in defending the home. Although, this might not be seen as empowerment by some...

[@agileminded7949]

You are absolutely bang on. Be safe woman (and vicious if need be)

[@fredmercury1314]

He would've walked out because you wouldn't stand a chance against him. Guys have 72% more muscle mass and can punch 160% harder. And he has mates with him. As a female, you'd get wrecked.

[@buickmclean8163]

Exactly , as a female you would n't be held responsible for your actions . Because of Male Privilege , a man would be . The consequences for a Man who fights are Death , Injury , or Prison.

[@kpeugh2011]

Same. Single woman living alone except for my young daughter. If Anyone were to enter my home without invitation, my first thought would be that they were there to assault me or abduct my child. And I’d use everything in me to defend my baby girl. But this is why I have an amazing security system and lock my door the moment I come home. So no one just walks in. The only way they’re getting into my home is by breaking in or forcing their way in when I enter (and getting caught on multiple cameras doing it).

[@DarrenFromDublin]

My dog would have bitten his leg. 😊 before I even realised he was in the house. His screams would alert me to his presence.

[@thehastingsdojo2332]

Very well explained, thank you for sharing

[@Tufty124]

The main problem that the ivory tower legal intellectuals fail to understand is these laws have a chilling effect on your willingness to defend yourself. They introduce hesitancy in a scenario where hesitancy could be death, not just for you but your family. We keep having arguments about what we would do in retrospect which is wholly faulty and damaging. The fact I need to run a legal library including all definitions and interpretations through my head in a split second is all it takes to destroy the whole concept of the right of self defence. The process of going to court is the punishment / deterrence to defending yourself. One bad day, one bad jury or increasingly judge equals the end of your life as you know it for the crime of not being an SAS specialist in violence escalation. Not to mention the cost in money, emotional distress and reputational damage you could suffer in the meantime.

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

You have to remember that the prosecution will always take self-defence cases to court. This could take years of your life and hundreds of thousands in legal costs. In the meantime, you will be treated as a suspected criminal, and the media will do all it can to ruin your life. The process is itself the punishment.

[@AlexA-jv6ul]

Yep agreed. Police used to use discernment when dealing with these situations. However the media, public, facilitated by these intellectuals put an end to that, meaning they would face misconduct for not following policy.

[@Tufty124]

@@AlexA-jv6ul it's worse than that. They are actively trained to not be capable of "good" decernment with race based two or three tier justice systems. Justice is not blind anymore it's really, really interested in the colour of your skin and abitrary characteristics...

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

From where I am sitting in my living room, I can see three cavalry sabres hanging on the wall. For decorative purposes only - obviously.

[@Naptosis]

I'm just imagining some idiot is breaking into your home, only to find you on the back of your horse, watching tele, in full regalia. 😋

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

@@Naptosis Ha Ha! 🤡🇬🇧

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

I have my defence prepared already. When the police arrive to find the yard of steel upon which the W⚓️ had been impaled, upon being cautioned I would say "It was an accident. I was cleaning it and it went off."

[@DeusNyx]

First, I do mot know all the details of this, but If I can tell this little story: A friend I once sparred with was threatened once night. A thug pulled a knife behind him, luckily his wife saw what was happening, screams. My friend defended himself with a reverse kick to the jaw, putting him down. The law on the other hand tried to threaten him with jail time saying 'such a powerful kick was more force that necessary'(over a knife to the spine, I might add) - Karate experts of our school all over the country were called in to analyse his reaction, it was caught on cctv - All said the same, this is what we train for. Long story short, it dragged on for a while, weighed heavily on his mind, his familys, he even questioned why he holds a black belt. All we could do was support him, saying this could have been far worse if you didnt react. He was acquitted in the end. The guy who threatened him was seaking 'justice.' 'nuf said. So, you can defend yourself, to a degree decided upon by court.

[@rottsandspots]

That's awful and must have been incredibly stressful. I was a professional martial artist & stunt woman back in the day, but I'm now old and disabled. All I have is the element of surprise and one punch, and one punch only to defend myself against a determined and violent young man. I have and would use it without hesitation. I should not be punished for this. I do have two large Rottweilers so there are easier targets than me, but even so I have been threatened with violence multiple times when walking them.

[@b3n3d1ct10n]

@@rottsandspots unfortunately Rotties face a certain amount of prejudice, even though they are a calm, intelligent and loving breed. You might even get attitude for having the audacity to own two beautiful bodyguards!

[@rottsandspots]

@@b3n3d1ct10n you are right, sadly Rottweilers do still face a lot of prejudice. I always put the dogs sitting quietly behind me if there is any sort of trouble, as I don't want the slightest possibility there could be allegations made that they are out of control or dangerous. In fact there is much more chance of being bitten by me! I have a crazy neighbour who is livid I have not one, but two Rottweilers. He has bullied other people into moving house, away from him and his threats. He hates the fact he can't get as up close and personal to me in the degree he would like, in order to intimidate me. He even complained to the council that I was training seagulls to fly over his house and poop on his washing 😁 Just call me the Seagull Whisperer Both my beautiful girls perform medical alert for me at home, though Mazey is the one that goes into shops, hospital etc with me as my assistance dog.

[@rottsandspots]

@Dougal Douglas glad everything turned out ok, though it's deeply unpleasant to have the hassle of going to court when you did nothing wrong. You are absolutely right that bullies turn into squealing cowards when finally someone stands up to them.

[@BrainUser113]

I believe if someone comes through your door or window un announced you should have the right to seriously hurt them. Otherwise how are you supposed to protect your property. It's actually ridiculous, criminals have more rights than homeowners in the UK

[@jakey1995abc]

Best self defence advice is to not call the police afterwards, unless you have reason to believe someone else has witnessed the events. That is the best way to legally protect yourself within this corrupt country.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

No, call them to report a crime at the premises. You are not employed by the public prosecutors office, you are not able to assess the offence they would assess ascworthy of prosecution. The failure of the police to attend is their decision.

[@cgsec2275]

I have to disagree with you there. Firstly you will never be sure who is aware of what. And if the criminal attacker gets seriously injured, they will probably go to the hospital -who will almost certainly report it. The authorities were not there and did not see what happened, and if the first story they hear is from the criminal, they may question why the victim did not report the crime (they might not even be able to tell who is the real victim if the mugger claims he was the one being mugged for example). A lot of them are not deep thinkers or philosophers, and just following basic training. My best advice is use reasonable force following the law and report everything. This may not seem fair(as the system is not perfect) but you can't beat the system these days, just try and work with it as best you can.

[@oz_jones]

​@@cgsec2275 the implication was that the only doctor needed would be a pathologist. It was also implied that there would be any evidence of grevious bodily harm

[@mikestead3804]

He would fall down the stairs and break both arms in several places

[@twatmunro]

"I was cleaning my shotgun. I really didn't anticipate there would be somebody in my house without my permission when it accidentally went off."

[@fredmercury1314]

"I loaded it and dropped it in shock."

[@sysdevman]

What if the attacker (or intruder) is holding a weapon????

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

If I pick up a kitchen knife, and use it to threaten the intruder: i.e. pointing the knife at him, keeping it in front of my body while asking him to leave, does that count as grossly disproportionate? If he calls my bluff, and I end up stabbing him, does that count as grossly disproportionate?

[@yerhan1572]

Tony Martin was a hero stood up for his rights

[@hazcat640]

I'm in the US in a stand your ground state so at home I would have just grabbed whichever firearm that was closest and poked a lot of holes in him. Bad day for him. On the street I MIGHT have warned him he was about to die if he didn't move on.

[@NeilCWCampbell]

Twist turns out they executing a no knock warrant 😂

[@johnpatrick1588]

In Englandstan people can't even move protesters blocking roads without getting in trouble. In Florida, it is a 3rd-degree felony to do so without a permit and drivers trapped by protesters may escape even if it causes injury or death to protesters and the driver will have no civil or criminal liability. Have not seen roadblocks lately.

[@oz_jones]

*speedbumbs

[@bigo93]

If you are in someone else's property without permission, and especially if you are causing problems, you deserve whatever you get! Why do we make laws which protect criminals more than us law abiding citizens?!

[@garryrichards4103]

I recall when Tony Martin was convicted, a reporter asked the senior police officer if anyone can defend themselves. The reply was that the court has just answered your question. Also, at that time the emphasis was on "measured force". How do you measure force in the heat of the moment?

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

I'd make him regret every life choice he's ever made! Also: How can anyone have respect for 'the system' when breaking a court order is deemed more serious than invading someone's home or causing severe distress by asking random women 'if they want to dye (die)'?

[@phutureproof]

no one was making tshirts bro, its die

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

@@phutureproof I wrote it like that because it's how he framed the 'prank'.

[@noelwallace5257]

Seeing as you asked… I’d have broken him, because my belief at the time was my family ( wife and children) were in imminent danger of life threatening injuries…. That was my belief sir!

[@andycleary6209]

Well the guy does look like a sex offender.

[@davekennedy6315]

Tony Martin was right in killing that traveler. They'd targeted his house untold numbers of times previously and he lived there all alone. We SHOULD be allowed to defend ourselves and our families. I keep a Bowie knife (out of reach of my kids) within reach of my bed and I have my son living with me and my daughters visiting regular. If ANYONE breaks in to potentially harm my children they WILL die, plain and simple! I would give my life and freedom to protect my children!

[@agileminded7949]

Thats it mate, natural law

[@hithere9377]

A man who sleeps with a machete is a fool every night but one.

[@RichardEnglander]

He needs pranking very hard, so much so that he has all the pranking scared out of him.

[@martyndawson7484]

Not even an argument in Florida.

[@saddaddrummer]

The little scrot may well have walked in, but he would have needed carrying out.

[@Shadowknightneo]

Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If someone cames into my home, only one of us would be leaving, let the jury decide if it was reasonable or not at that moment I am protecting my family and I couldn't give a.....

[@fredmercury1314]

If I'm on the jury, it was reasonable. 👌

[@phutureproof]

couldn't couldn't give a ...

[@bluebellwood4287]

Dear BB, this video is relevant to a comment I made on one of your previous episodes regarding a home intruder many years ago. Where an elderly lady was attacked by said home intruder and her dog, a pet not a trained attack dog bit the intruder. He began proceedings to sue. I don't know the outcome. Can you make an episode please on the ramifications of such a happening and the rights or lack thereof of either persons. Blessings to you.

[@theimperialist2686]

Let's be honest, if he tried this in the US, we'd be having a different story.

[@jamesmurphy7828]

Hey man, we still got kitchen knives over here

[@taras6806]

It sure would be. Frankly I wish reasonable force (causing harm, sigh) had been used against him in his stupid reckless terrifying 'prank' had been used. The guy needs to be put away.

[@andycleary6209]

@@jamesmurphy7828 Trouble is he's in your kitchen and you're upstairs in your boxer shorts.

[@LemonChick]

Keep reading "if this happened in the USA.... yadda yadda yadda". But as nasty a shit as this lad is, kill him? Really? That is proportionate? Clue ---> no, it isn't.

[@fredmercury1314]

Remember the guy who shot the kid trying to break in through his front door? pew-pew! Now the home owner is facing jail time.

[@ThomasLaird1967]

Can you clear up any discrepancy in law between someone entering your home through an open or unlocked door and breaking entry. Also any difference there in Scottish law?

[@angusmacmillan5365]

Very good video. One question. Would the age of the householder be taken into consideration in relation to the type of weapon. For instance, an elderly persom might feel the need for a more effective weapon to defend themselves as an intruder is more likely to be stronger and younger?

[@SunshineMix101]

'I am sure many will view this as a perpetrator getting off very lightly.

[@theimperialist2686]

Introduce him to my golf clubs.

[@andycleary6209]

which club would you recommend a wood or an iron?

[@fredmercury1314]

@@andycleary6209 5 iron. It's a good all-rounder.

[@jacksimper5725]

Tony Martin should NEVER have been charged in the first case ,3 people were involved excluding himself ,and he was alone in the middle of nowhere,he gave a warning to the intruders which I believe they ignored. IF The law on firearm ownership was not taken away from the public previously by the politicians these people/criminals maybe would not have committed their crime . The Law still is an ass when it comes to protection of UK citizens ,Criminals have all the lethal firearms (even tasers or spray are not allowed )and the public are still denied the right to fully protect themselves and their families with deadly force .

[@andycleary6209]

If i am remembering correctly he had been burgled a number of times and the police took little if any notice of it, hence he resorted to defending himself.

[@NeilCWCampbell]

If I recall it was the shooting in the back that was the criminal act

[@makerealitygreatagain8809]

Yes and it's intentionally supposed to be in the criminals favour.

[@thethinking1]

i would have called him not guity, because of the very circumstances you mention.

[@NeilCWCampbell]

@@thethinking1 cool bro. Are you a judge?

[@RHR-221b]

Thank you, B B B. Please excuse my ignorance re the following: Regarding 'Home Invaders': What help/jurisdiction to defend the 'invaded homeowner' is within English Common Law, and the English Constitution? Thank you. Rab

[@StarlasAiko]

If there is a perceived threat to my life, such as because the attacker is wiedling a potentially lethal weapon, anything less than all the force at my disposal is unreasonable. If somebody attacks me in a way that lets me suspect intent of killing me, it is appropriate to assume that merely scaring them off does not end the threat, using lethal force in self defence is appropriate.

[@ro63rto]

Fireplace poker to the kneecaps?

[@scaryfakevirus]

In my view, if someone breaks into my house I would immediately feel threatened because I wouldn't know their intentions. People have been murdered after a break in, so just hurting them allowing them to respond would not be sufficient to keep me safe, so I would have to make sure they wouldn't be able to harm me the first time. So extreme force initially would be my first option. It's always easy when a jury sits and decides after a few hours or more whether you used the correct amount of force or not, but you have to make a split second decision - possibly to save your life. Get that wrong and for you it could easily be an coroners inquest!

[@rahjah6958]

I got schizophrenia, I’m struggling to NOT think of what I would do

[@BarryBethal-yv2oz]

The coppers always pick the easiest option if you have an home invasion and you defend yourself the chances are the householder will be prosecuted before the perpetrators. If you get your property broken into this is a traumatic experience before anything even happens.

[@velvetine74]

I would like to ask if someone laid a trap, such a a hole deep enough that a person couldn't get out, like in a barn. Then covered it with a canvas and an intruder who broke a lock to gain access fell into that hole and broke an ankle. Does this fall into the category of disproportionate?

[@rule3036]

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

[@geofferzh79]

This sounded like a bunch of riddles if someone broke into my home I say it's reasonable to suggest that they won't be able to walk for a few months because I'm not exactly going to make them a cup of tea am I.