Excellent 2v2 Comeback | AoE2 DE Commentary

In this video two teams face off on Mongolia, a map where things tend to get crazy in the late game. One team gains a lead playing the "meta" while another team needs to rely on one particular unit for success. Is it OP? You tell me.
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[@T90Official]

Had some weird issues getting this to be public, so if you just got an alert about it I think I fixed that problem :D

[@Giorgal]

Just for the record: Green is Skritshell Blue is Masinko Red is MattJustSalsa source: advanced to new age messages

[@northland7885]

For those who wonder why this video have no views even if this was uploaded 3 days ago. He uploaded this to early and private it. As it say's on his twitter from 19 of November: ''I accidentally uploaded a recording too early, sorry if you started watching ahead of time 😂 It’ll be public in a few days.''

[@JJJ854]

Lmao answered my questions

[@TheTrojan303]

28:15 What a tactical genius by spring there

[@Michal235]

Yep, ++ style points

[@AndrewTheFrank]

I think the big thing to notice with the steppe lancers is that when someone paths their units away, through or past them the range allows them to get off more attacks before they have to path. For instance near 20:30 the plumes run past the steppe lancers and the lancers are able to kill them without needing to repath. Normal cavalry would bump into each other, slowing each other down and allowing the plumes to mostly run by safely. Basically their range means less pathing so less pathing issues.

[@humanhaggis]

It feels like cumans just have too much, great feudal options, great castle options, great post-imp options. They have a great ranged unit, a great melee unit, excellent trash, a great eco bonus, just seems like they get everything.

[@James-sk4db]

New civs are usually brought in as OP so that the player base wants to play them more, as no one has experience with them yet, they then get nerfed overtime once a meta etc has been established

[@Lucke189]

Which makes no sense. It's so stupid to make new civs OP on purpose

[@meeshermans297]

@@Lucke189 It actually makes a lot of sense from a game design perspective, no one will play the new civs when they'll do better with the ones they already know, so there has to be an incentive to get to know the new civilisations.

[@Lucke189]

All ranked games has random civ though, and now that we know that the new civs are OP, it's such an advantage for people who get the new civs.

[@meeshermans297]

@@Lucke189 They will be nerfed, for now people will play unranked and singleplayer with the new civs, until they learn how to play them

[@Kobrar44]

So where is the comeback? The steppe lancers just keep winning.

[@robertveres6232]

Clickbait

[@robertveres6232]

Clickbait

[@alexbrennan9928]

They should remove Knights from Cuman and Tatar tree and up their gold a tad and make it a knight stand in. Because it's not a light cav unit, its a mass and smash unit

[@crazyyoco]

just remove thir last armor upgrade. mabe for all units so they still have great feudal and castle but very bad imp

[@qowkerf]

The only counter to this that I can see would be mass genoese crossbowmen.

[@petrolhead6667]

Elite Mamelukes want to know your location

[@tito.senpai_]

Mass Scorpions and onagers since these stack up

[@aliusman4433]

ETK must be out of town

[@satyakisil9711]

@@aliusman4433 By the time he comes, there'll be no town.

[@icjet1ks]

@@petrolhead6667 made my day

[@kylerogers7782]

I'm playing as Italians, and keep running into Steppe Lancer Cumans; I've found a mix of crossbows and pikes work, the pikes not so much because they'll kill the steppe lancers though they get their hits in, but more because they provide a cheap meatshield to protect the crossbows from the steppe lancers. Usually a 3:2 ratio of crossbows to pikemen seems to work. You won't have ANY pikes left alive after a skirmish, guaranteed, but so long as you shove yourself into a chokepoint/corner/etc during the fight to prevent surrounds you'll have plenty of crossbows left.

[@lebulle4544]

So long as you place yourself in this specific situation where everything is in your favor, will you beat the Steppe Lancers.

[@kylerogers7782]

@@lebulle4544 I see your point LOL, but its more applicable than you think. Once you're at crossbows you'll typically have thumb rings, at least fletching, and possibly ballistics, keep in mind. With the typical walling up players do, there's usually plenty of gaps to squeeze into between enemy buildings or the hold you shoot in your palisade, and many of the current maps on rotation have natural narrow gaps between treelines. If the Cumans don't engage into you, crossbows still have a decent shot of hitting them while they're moving. The minute they catch you out in the open, though, yeah, no contest, you're just HOSED.

[@GraveUypo]

i can tell who wins just by the way you introduced them.

[@VittamarFasuthAkbin]

19:26 "watch what these step lancers can do"

[@gamesetmatt23]

@T90Official... Congrats on 150K, man! Many more to come, I'm sure. You've earned it :D

[@shukterhousejive]

The real question is why the civ is called the Cumans but all their buildings have giant blue balls?

[@remzimericceylan6812]

Cumans, Tatars, Kıpcaks are all Turkic. Also, these light blue called Turquoise. Europe give that name because Turks like that color. It represent blue sky and Gök Tengri, which means Sky God

[@redshark618]

@@remzimericceylan6812 it is joke, "cumans" sounds like the word for orgasm and "blue balls" is slang for denied ejaculation

[@remzimericceylan6812]

@@redshark618 no cumans were not sound like a joke on europe in the middle ages. Your imagination capability to joke on other nations is limitless.... don't do it again

[@Eunostos]

​@@remzimericceylan6812 The joke was about the word pun, not the nations. And yes, word puns can be about just about any unfunny topic, including holy symbols. You don't seem to be a native speaker, so to be clear - when spoken naturally, cumin/coming/cumming all can sound similar.

[@remzimericceylan6812]

@@Eunostos Yes I am not native english speaker but problem is I talk about this blue round thing represent sky and god, he say it is like sex object or anything like that. Of course, it is not holy for me in this age and he approach recklessly, but I want to show logic behind some structure . Indeed sky is rounded and its why logical to make that shape.

[@tommoolenaar3901]

That triple flank from spring got me giggling.

[@viktorf6798]

Its the range of the attacks. It makes them so effective. Less running around more attacking.

[@Tyshkevich]

I think they need a base attack of 8, so they dont hit as hard. That'll be the perfect balance.

[@agonefire]

This and also Increase production time, increase Elite upgrade cost, reduce attack speed, maybe reduce armor too.

[@Tyshkevich]

@@agonefire That's waayyy too much. Think about from a balance stance. 1 attack is big. 2 attack is HUGE. If you do everything you said they will be shit. Clearly you're one of the sideline people that don't understand how proper balancing happens. Slow steps. Small steps until they feel balanced. If you go crazy one way or another you're just always going to have a broken unit.

[@BenColc]

3:06 Harold the garbage truck

[@nazwus]

More 2v2 matches! They are great

[@Doubleranged1]

OKay, so spring 1v2s with an army of steppelancers. This game feels so incredibly unfair. Like spring was fighting equal numbers of cavalier with steppelancers and also had to deal with the plumes and still wins. How do archers counter steppelancers? The steppelancers clearly win every time all the time. I am kinda salty because of this inbalance.

[@Michal235]

Yeah I think that the big reason for the lancers being overpowered is their speed. If they were slower, it would be way harder to properly use their +range special ability so archers would have easier time hit-and-running them. Halbs don't seem to be a solid option vs lancers as well, partially because of lancers range (lancers trades vs halbs aren't too bad), partially because of lancers mobility. Also you can just counter halbs with any cav archer unit. Steppe lancers just need a nerf and teutonic knights need a buff :D maybe some higher pierce armor and a special "siege units" armor to survive mango shots

[@rockin1014]

Because team matchmaking is extremely unfair and extremely good players can match against average or new players

[@stefandarkveil4664]

Would ve been smashed without the surround. Tbh that maneuver is so beautiful and that s what actually wins them the game. Not mass steppe lancers

[@Drumsgoon]

steppe launcher is the unique unit for magyars, just in stabl foe Cumans?

[@emescub]

Speed movement from Cumans is too Op, that pincer maneuver at 28:16 would be impossible without that MS buff. Outrun paladins is just too much.

[@DrecxDG]

jeje yeah "Weak to archers"

[@DJFlosse87]

Hey @T90 how do i get small trees in DE? Is there already a mod?

[@dimitrikemitsky]

Holy shit if I was blue I would be so tilted by those Lancers. Every time he got decent plumes, it was like running into a grinder.

[@trevorcrabtree3476]

20:39 When t90 has a girl over

[@Emulen10]

No grills on the internetz

[@vineetmishra2690]

😁😁😆

[@therandomer6412]

What's wrong with spectating, I tried spectating a game today and it worked, there was a patch today I dont know if that would have fixed it.

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

Well this video is 2 days old

[@Keln02]

Steplancers are a big wtf. By having unit that's fast and that has range, you can effectively double their dps by having a second row fill in slots extremely quickly and attack as well.

[@barsni4779]

- Hey, fellow steppe lancer, I heared you are weak to archers. - I don't know, fellow steppe lancer, let's run in and ask archers themselves. They sure scale with bigger numbers because of number of units engaged at the same time. Probably even more so if you add some kipchaks in the backline for same reason.

[@koky7743]

WOW! What a great battle.

[@NathanCassidy721]

This video didn't come up in my feed until recently. What the heck?

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

Cobra car: *Wrooom* Steppe lancer: *Clonk*

[@chonleong7681]

This looks like the game in aoe 3 when H2O went triple stable lancers with the flank.

[@victory7999]

What I don't like is how weak the light cav line is in aoe 2 and the Magyars have bonuses for light cav, but none for the meta heavy cav, and as soon as an op light cav unit is introduced the Magyars don't even get it... WHY?!

[@mdeyna7173]

Where is your ''BOOOM'' on start? Blowy Boi

[@satyakisil9711]

29:14 Most beautiful moment. I have been waiting to see Mayans getting rekd for so long.

[@Trubripes]

why don't pikes and herbs have one range. they are the ones that should.

[@AngelsArmour]

That would be interesting

[@Spherac]

Cause it's a 20 year old game with shit "bonus dmg to type x" mechanics, instead of proper combat mechanics. Truly hope AoE4 doesn't feature much of it, giving pikes actual range and lances to heavy cavalry.

[@Helloandhaveaniceday]

the funny thing is kameyuks counter steppe lancers

[@DatCrazyNerf]

I watched majority of this game thinking blue and yellow were vs green and red and I was highly confused.

[@kriskong1]

Why tf did they not give the tatars the movement speed. The cumans really didnt need that sort of bonus on top of their early boom/ram rush

[@Zvalgryn]

Reds micro during fights was so frustrating.

[@HeloisGevit]

Why are the trees so small, using a mod?

[@joelferguson9324]

Why do the lancers not come out of castle?

[@skippee358]

Is this like a mini hidden cup?

[@shiva43057]

The steppe lancer cost must be around 80 or 90 gold instead instead of nerfing the stats

[@Richi_Boi]

Man, what happened to that video? Almost no views, released 2 days ago? That wasnt there 2 days ago (i think for me at least)

[@hifu91]

step lancer so OP in numbers

[@Jacks_Suffocating_Nihilism]

I was watching this stream. The game after this, Spring was being extremely toxic toward Matt. Very classless, and I wouldn't be surprised if they stop playing together.

[@Anima-bribe]

I would get salty too if you go arch with mongols 😂

[@carlmcintosh8057]

@@Anima-bribe Spring told him to.

[@Anima-bribe]

@@carlmcintosh8057 oh really, wish I could see the toxicity myself

[@carlmcintosh8057]

@@Anima-bribe To go archer idk or care about the toxicity the guys who said that is named nuke isreal. I care very little for what he says.

[@Anima-bribe]

@@carlmcintosh8057 oh you just wanted to clear up that spring actually told Matt to go archers so it couldn't have been any reason to be mad if there was even a case of that. Well thank you, I don't even play aoe anymore but thought with mongols archers it would be stupid to go. But I see now that it was spring his disision

[@omarfaruque1095]

How can viper show the scoreboard but you don't? It really makes a difference cause I don't know who are you talking about sometimes. Btw enjoy your videos.

[@mohamedelshazly1514]

i bought the game thanks to watching your videos, you should be getting a commission or something ^^

[@Ace-zd5ri]

I wish you could commentate one of my games so I could see what I do wrong and what I need to do better

[@reeceengineering3560]

Throwing Axemen destroy Steppe Lancers. Try it out sometime

[@SanyoVojta]

Recording 70 ? 11 nice one mate 11

[@rahuldsouza1985]

Tatars+Mongols would be 🔥🔥🔥

[@nguyenhuyduc9151]

Lancer is weak against archer... But it has 0 armor and 2 pierce armor? It should be 2/0 not 0/2

[@migueeeelet]

Steppe lancers really need their damage lowered by at least 2 or 3...

[@-Garaf-]

I like the idea of the Steppe Lancers against archers to change the meta of just clumping up your archers making them a mini fortress only killed by onagers With this players will have to use different formations or be sure to have pikes or halbs defending them against this mounted kamayuk Still i think they need a nerf, like changing the pierce into melee armor, and downgrade the attack to 8 (and 10 in elite)

[@DrFruitsaladPhd]

I'm a noob so this might be a dumb idea but why not make some siege to fight the steppe lancers? They're super clumped up when patrolled so you could get some juicy mangonel or scorp shots off

[@carpetclimber4027]

How will you hit a super fast unit with siege?

[@JZ909]

Massed scorpion may work, but you have to get to it, and the steppe lancers can just avoid it and raid. My gut tells me the front line of steppe lancers would still get a single poke in before they went down, and would eventually win the war of attrition.

[@larsplogmaker3990]

Did someone already do a cumans feudel tc rush?

[@SamuelFouksov]

Viper did a double douche in feudal, pretty sure lmao Should be on his yt - TheViperAOC

[@larsplogmaker3990]

@@SamuelFouksov thanks, I need to see that

[@YuenHsiaoTieng]

Patrol needs fixed asap!

[@spd-kv6sd]

Indeed. Steppe lancers seem really OP. There must be more units they should be weak to. Like skirmishers as every normal archer and monks like every normal cavalry. Let's not forget Cumans also have full cavalry upgrades. So removing Plate Barding Armour and a few more handicaps to them would be needed. Still, they get no stonewalls. Why does nobody use that fact? Play against them like you play against Goths. Push them off early before they get steppe lancers. As I remember, Goths also had other handicaps added, like missing Treadmill Crane. Lots of OP civs are looked at differently eventually. Still, in time strategies will be found. Let's check out more of the new civs in practice in such games. I really wanna see how Bulgarians and Mongols work together.

[@MawksProductions]

Fully agree. Everyone acts like it's the steppe lancers that's the problem, but the obvious problem in this game is that there was little to no attempt at pushing yellow, even though they know yellow is the best player in this game. Had they been properly aggressive and prevented Spring from booming, he would've never been able to mass that many steppes.

[@vineetmishra2690]

@@MawksProductions nonsense. 70 steppe Lancers should not massacre 50 cavalier and 50 plumes combined. There was nothing better the other team could field and they had them in large numbers too and still got killed. When a cheap unit that is cheaply upgraded can go toe to toe with paladins and plumes equally, you have an overpowered unit

[@MawksProductions]

@@vineetmishra2690 That's also because yellow had the superior numbers in steppe lancers every time he engaged in a fight. We all know in AOE2 how important it is to have the numbers advantage. Also plumes are and have always been weak AF versus cavalry units, so it boggles the mind why blue didn't start creating halbs until it was already too late.

[@vineetmishra2690]

@@MawksProductions no man. An equivalent number of cavaliers would have lost to so many plumes and cavaliers. Even paladin wouldn'thave cleaned up as well as these guys did

[@MawksProductions]

@@vineetmishra2690 I feel you're arguing beside my point. I'm not saying steppe lancers aren't OP, i'm saying that it's hard to judge how OP they are based on this game seeing how poorly blue and green played versus yellow. They allowed him to boom, only took engagements versus yellow's steppe lancers when he had massed a tonne of them, and didn't even make a hard counter to steppe lancers (being halbs obviously) until very late game when it was already too late. So my point is, give me a match where people actually have a good strategy and then show me how OP steppe lancers really are.

[@HaleStormStrong]

Anyone else really hate the no snow mod? Also small trees, but especially no snow

[@konstantindunnzlaff1291]

Did someone say... 'STAB lancers'?

[@SampleMehard]

Is this like a graphics revamp? A new expac?

[@Kernelpopcornx]

It's the definitive edition so revamped graphics and new civilizations

[@Brunghis]

wow cumans win again who would have guessed

[@andrewramadhanar]

epic part start at 28:08

[@rahzoriel2103]

They will put a blanket small nerf on Lancers. It'll get 1 melee armor in exchange for 5 less HP, 1 less attack, 40 gold per lancer, and less speed, becoming faster than knights but slower than light cavs, Cumans able to have their Lancers as fast as light cav. They'll also attack about 20% slower. Source: My opinions and the past on how AoE2 got balanced as many got nerfed before.

[@harrymolo4450]

Anyone else upset about how blue managed the plumes?

[@marcomartins7729]

I wouldn’t say they are op they are 100% countered to massed halbs with full upgrades. I literally had 30-40 steppe lancers and the my opponent had so many halbs fully upgraded along with hand cannons and destroyed my army

[@LordTameo]

Steppe lancer attack speed should be slower

[@rockin1014]

It’s so frustrating when u get matched against one guy who is like 100x better than you

[@undertyped1]

I kinda hope they don't nerf steppe lancers too much. Maybe just flip the food and gold cost and reduce their attack by 1 and call it a day. Ranged units have dominated this game for too long, now that steppe lancers are making melee good it's suddenly a problem?

[@willhous19]

Super awkward way to play as Mongols

[@olivert894]

The unit might be op but blue and green's positioning was gaaaarbage. You're against mass cavs and you position forward trebs and archers where you can get surrounded

[@lsmalbrugge635]

To OP

[@steve3370]

I'm surprised he said mongal archers is a hard build. It's literally my best build it's so good. No one expects it but they have all the upgrades and the extra food help you get to castle by like 19:30 if you pull it off correctly. And if they other guy goes archers it's gg vs me cause I get to castle alot faster.

[@steve3370]

Sorry they have all ther char upgrades until you get mangudia

[@nathones]

nerf cumans

[@IAmBael]

Rohirrim!

[@AllRockAintEmo]

Im sorry, but these new civs make watching games really boring imo. From what ive seen (might not be this way overall) if you have steppes, youve won the game, the unit is so broken. So the viewer experience goes from "whos going to win" to "i wonder how long they can live before getting ended by steppe lancers"

[@Anima-bribe]

Only 2 civs have them, and also they rarely get used. Since you need to mass so they are only viable in late game.

[@angrysammo]

Yeh, I haven't seen any evidence other than this game that steppe lancers are "broken". I think spring's skill had a lot to do with it

[@Dissident_Agreessor]

I'm loving DE, but getting bent over and blasted by Cumins every game is a big turn off.

[@Unheedful]

Twich chat or riot.

[@carlosm9886]

Broken civ

[@megaslayercho]

I love aoe2DE so far,but I really hate that decided to make new factions and races OP,as the devs said "to keep it fair when playing vs factions players have know for decades". They should of done the oposite imo,make them weaker by defaut and slightly buff them later with patches,so as not to throw of the meta and have broken shit like this(blue and green were the better team,cuman player was VERY VERY good,but blue and green deserved to win imo)

[@tushardeshpande97]

I'm here from the future to tell you all that Cumans has the worst win rate in 1v1s cpz they got nerfed :)

[@tushardeshpande97]

And Lancers is pretty useless nowadays

[@marctanner1]

So Spring has OP unit and win. Not overly interesting really. Clearly blue and green just flat out better players.

[@jackwulfric8019]

Honestly I'm sick of the cumans and the lancers. No fun... Extremely boring and predictable games. Needs to be nerfed asap cause wtf. Also where's the comeback? It's predictable and all the same

[@Lucke189]

Yes the devs made the new civs (very) OP on purpose apparently... So stupid.

[@Hacknerds]

RECORDING 70

[@aleph1057]

* notices your pic * OwO what's this?

[@Hacknerds]

Aleph a random fellow furry in the comments of an age of empires caster? How strange

[@RomaZeal]

JUST

[@dirkauditore8413]

Why do spears, pikes and halbs not have any range? Doesn't make any sense at all

[@illegalsmirf]

The devs deliberately made units OP to generate attention to the game. OP units = more publicity and more excitement in the community = more attention = more sales. Typical Micro$oft.

[@WengoYo]

Only coomers play cumans

[@darrellbeets7758]

wtf

[@jarvin8485]

Why force yourself to cast games from DE when, at least for now, Voobly with CA is just clearly superior in like all regards?

[@luigisgl2639]

step lancers are annoying. this game has no interest because of them. it's like a cheat code

[@youtbeuser32]

DE scks

[@mariocottignoli5611]

This version are terrible