Hobbywing vs Spektrum SHOWDOWN!!!

[@6SPEEDlopez]

About time, someone actually gives a test with low RPM, thank you.

[@PorkinsTheWhite]

Thank you for comparing these three, especially in the same vehicle.

[@Alasdair-Morrison]

I upgraded to the Fusion Pro with my Traxxas 6 Hauler, absolute control over speed and plenty of power for all 6 wheels in all modes, and the elimination of the ESC with slight mod for power to the lights.

[@me-rn7jx]

did you wire the lights up to the receiver box?

[@nd4spdbh]

I got the SE 1800kv in a mainly crawler setup RR10 Bomber (no trailing arms). Its AMAZING for the price, it simply blew my mind how slow it can spin things with SO MUCH TORQUE vs my older sensored motor and a copperhead 10. I honestly wouldn't need the slower slow speed of the pro. Its SO NICE to have the 2in one for clean easy setup. These 2 in one motor/esc combos are the future. I really hope that hobbywing comes out with say a 2300 or 2500kv SE.

[@qrisemrc]

It shows the motor comparison, so I think it will be a lot of reference for future purchases. Thank you for the helpful video.👍👍👍

[@shawnrichardson118]

This is a perfect video for me. I’ve been contemplating what to put into my SCX 10 and you have definitely made it very easy for me to make a decision. Perfect timing. Awesome video thank you.

[@DankePlace]

I run a Fusion Pro 2300KV on my YIKONG YK4101 with tracks. On 2S it's good, especially with the 2 speed gear box, on 3S it's a beast. It can crawl like a worm, or zip around like no ones business. The best thing is, the tracks system goes up anything that tyres normally wouldn't and the Fusion Pro seems great for the system without getting too hot.

[@billnewman1970]

I got the hobby wing fusion pro in my trx4 best 158.00 I ever put in to my trail truck it is unreal I love this combo there is nothing I can't clime

[@Goon_Street]

I have 2 fusion pros and 1 se and i agree with everything shown here. With that being said itd be cool to see a scale of 1-10 for each test and a chart at the end showing where each motor stands on each test all together. Overall great video though!

[@ExocagedRC]

Thats a cool idea, I just need to figure out how to do it. I could use a whiteboard and a marker LOL

[@Goon_Street]

@ExocagedRC either that or possibly use a program to make a chart to show at the end but the ol white board never fails!

[@ninthislandrc]

Have the Fusion Pro & Spektrum. Both are excellent...but, I will be swapping them. I had installed the Spektrum in my VS4-10 Phoenix, and the Pro in the TRX4 I built for my stepdad...but they'll be better off switching them the other way around.

[@mikerainey3847]

Thanks bud, really appreciate the great comparison. You da' go-to RC man!

[@mark-mj5dl]

I agree with you on your findings. It was clear who the winner was but something I have noticed that I`m not sure other people notice is how you and other youtubers use the Element as your test vehicle when testing gear. It just goes to show what an awesome vehicle the Element is.

[@Clayton_B]

I been waiting for this test, awesome job exo

[@RJcrawl]

I like em all! The Firma is good too and has adjustment

[@keldonator]

Thank you for this comparison. BTW, digging the hairstyle 😁

[@JViello]

What it looks like to me is Spektrum took the 2300kv motor in the HW Pro and mated it with the SE's ESC...and is charging $150 for what is essentially a 2300kv HW Fusion SE. After watching this I'm 100% convinced the extra cost of the Fusion Pro is in the ESC. No idea where the extra cost is in the Spektrum. $80 motor case? LOL

[@TheTwtwo]

Spektrum markup.

[@radioactivescalerc]

Great Video Exo, Just looking at these exact 3 for my RC4WD Cruiser Build, this was exactly what i was looking for.

[@Mckhus]

hey for minimum rpm try using the throttle trim instead of trigger to put even and consistent amount of input also hobbywing is oem for spectrum... i was just hoping their all in one is rebranded pro and not the SE

[@ExocagedRC]

Yeah I know, I'd have liked the Firma to drive down low like the Pro but keep the punch, that would make me buy more Firmas, but nope.

[@NathanStorer-RC]

Dang, wish I saw this before I had already bought the Spektrum. That PRO is amazing with how slow it can go! Being made by Hobbywing and at the same price point, I just assumed they'd perform the same.

[@CM-ig2pf]

I have the SE and the fusion pro. And the pro just does an awesome job! The SE I think is a great trail truck motor! As far as the spectrum goes I have no experience with that! Nice job! Interesting video!👍👍😁😎✌️

[@ExocagedRC]

I agree

[@dacountryone]

​@@ExocagedRC how can I get one of your Exocaged decal,to represent your channel here in North Carolina?

[@redndeyes]

His website has them bro

[@dacountryone]

@@redndeyes okay thank you for the info.

[@BeardRubEnjoyer]

Fusion Pro hasn't let me down in any way on a heavy TRX-4. Will be grabbing another for next crawler. Low end control and smoothness is exceptional.

[@nofreerides7033]

Ahhhh heck yeah!!! Watched one of your older vids on hobbywing yesterday and ordered the fusion pro for my trx4 Ford 150 Ranger high trail 👍👍👍 … my hobby shop had it in stock… Like I tell them if exocaged rc approves it I want it ✌️✌️✌️

[@dutchbiker7874]

Great comparison, just bought the Fusion pro! I'm so excited to use this motor in my Axial scx10.3😍👍

[@allyoucando8486]

I have the Hobbywing Fusion ES 1200kv, slow as the pro because they have less rpm, the only issue is 1200kv is slow and you can gear more tooth. I'm using Trx4 13t have the correct speed crawl awesome

[@Idontdohandles]

I can't see paying for any of these anymore.... For $70 you can get a RHINO 80Amp ESC with sinewave control and laptop tunability included (no extra cost for a program card, etc) and the control of it is AAA++++MAZING!!!! And you can pick the outrunner of choice -- it doesnt even have to be an expensive one --- $20 outrunner will do --- even for a big rig 1/6th scale --- i got Turnigy AERODRIVE 14 pole - 4250's they are beasts 350kv up to 1500watts and 12s capable ---- Outrunners and only paid $30 per motor -- plus the RHINO 80Amps ---- $100 out the door ---- and i can run it up to 8s lipo and it has a built in 10amp BEC with switching from 5v up to 8.4volts output. The features are amazing. I put two of them in a 23lb 1/6th scale clodbuster and they are awesome i have tested on 8s --- no issues with 8 inch tires and pushing those giant Aerodrive outrunners. I can go 0.1 miles per hour i mean like BARELY EVEN THINKING OF MOVING and it will not stall ---- its amazing what the sinewave can do. The FUSION SE I almost was gonna do it but i didn't like what if esc or motor fails then the whole unit is a waste and also didn't liek 3s MAX lipo. RHINO seemed better and i'm glad i went that route. I do think i would put the FUSION SE in my TRX4 for sure though. Great vid!!!!

[@brentlykins7281]

Thanks for the other option! I’m going to look into this RHINO combo. I’m really interested

[@Idontdohandles]

Just a heads up the transition from sinewave hits really hard in the higher voltages 6s and up.... make sure your transmission is uo to task or the drag brake on max will chew up gears!!

[@jondoe6618]

I’ve been running the hobbywing axe foc 3300 in my trx4 sport (with 2 speed). It’s awesome!!! Hard to even imaging being better than it already is. It craws slow with a insane amount of power!! And in high range. Too fast lol. Great vid exocaged!!

[@justinnitsuj7041]

Woot Axe 550 3300kv. I honestly was worried it wouldn't be what I expected....it is stellar!! I have it in a trx4 and found it a bit too fast for crawling, but with fr/rr underdrives am happy with the crawl. 11t is smallest pinion with that blasted 5mm shaft It is actually a SPEED controller.....most "esc's" are POWER controllers only. FOC is an amazing advancement for motor control. not nearly as efficient as field only to turn rotor style, but FOC actually controls the rotor, traditional just throwing best guess pwm and watching feedback for seeing if the particularly pwm got the rotor turning. FOC like magnetic hand gripping rotor compared to normal types of esc pwm but WHY 5mm shaft why why why.....

[@jondoe6618]

@@justinnitsuj7041 yup. That’s what I’m running.

[@brentlykins7281]

Thank you sir for the information and comparison.

[@johnchappell1261]

Perfect video. Saved me lots of money. Thanks for the demonstration. Love these kinds of videos

[@jetbuilder]

I have the SE 1200 in my Capra with a 3 gear trans. This sold me on the Fusion Pro :) The SE will go into another car.

[@ezboyrc553]

I'm looking forward to this video. I love hobby wing but I haven't tried the spectrum yet.

[@Moyersteven1]

Well, dang. I just bought the Spektrum. I have all Spektrum lipos and radio. Figured I'd get all the info on my radio with all the smart stuff. The 2-in-1 don't support it though. The Fusion was also $12 less at the time. Always next build! Great video.

[@Robertbarnette-op8ok]

Love the Jack stands I've got some nice

[@bucksrcworld8119]

hands down the se is the best option for cost, no budget! its the pro everytime!

[@overdosed51]

I have the HW pro 2300kv and the first gen 1800kv HW. Absolute love them but the new fusipn pro is just on another level. Its soooo soooo soo good. my rig is 8+ lbs and the motor never even gets warm.

[@randysgut3214]

i have the 2300kv on my 10.3 bronco. portal conversion. all metal. weighs like 17 pounds. pulls it around no problem. love it

[@ramkaer]

I agree with your findings. :) The PRO feels a bit softer in its punch than my original fusion1800. But much more control low down. You can't go wrong wit either. Looking forwards to more great content. Welcome to full time YT. It's gon' be goood 👍

[@michaelmcclung957]

Awesome motor comparison joe! My favorite kind,you spend the $$ & just give your opinion on them

[@tompendley1172]

Great comparison Joe, now I can see what you were talking about on your live stream when you answered my question about the Spektrum. Now I don't feel so bad about buy the Spektrum Firma because I will be using it for an all around type crawler for now but the Fusion Pro is incredible. I am still a novice with the crawling so I will eventually graduate to the Firma Pro. Thanks again and happy retirement next week brother!!!

[@ExocagedRC]

yes sir, they each have their pros and cons, and thank you

[@EXPIOWA]

Welcome. Thank you for the video.

[@imchris5000]

you know what would be a cool project would be to make a rc crawler dyno table. with a tachometer on the roller shaft you could get the slowest wheel speed and the fastest. even speed testing each axle individually to see the differences in underdrives and overdrives.

[@needlejuse1113]

That whould be awsome

[@dustinrossi9384]

Lol sounds cool

[@sed6]

FYI, The losi LMT comes with the Firma motor, and you can program it using just the ESC, no need for the added expense of the additional programming screen.

[@jameswisecarver]

Sweet, I've been wanting to see the pro compared to the fusion se

[@jeffparryncc1701]

My old Axial brushed motor has seen better days. That 1800kv will be a great replacement :)

[@KEVLAR_RC7275]

I use my 1080 program card to program the spektrum brushed esc that came in my capra.

[@chrisgerwitz8852]

Thank you for sharing the information. Love your videos

[@imchris5000]

can you do a comparison video of the hobbwing axe r1 vs the r2?

[@tinyrcguy]

do you know if the fusion pro motor and esc is waterproof?

[@TheTwtwo]

This video should be really titled as Hobbywing vs Rebranded Hobbywing.

[@IsaacSchultz-lz8jc]

Yea, all of the spectrum motors are typically just rebranded hobbywing’s

[@frankie2499]

With portals and a 2 speed the SE is perfect, with straight axles and single speed the pro is much better....in general.

[@frankiemabry1726]

Hey what are the dates for beat the creek? Is it the 5 6an 7th?

[@erickhuntergames]

Excellent comparison video, now I know which motor I can upgrade my basecamp , but I have a question: which of these three motors could be configured to use with nimh batteries? or do they only work with lipo?

[@Livlifetaistdeth]

Wow that Pro is sllloooowwww. Fantastic comparison.

[@SWZGAMING.]

do the startup tune thing come with the motors?

[@ToGrimmToWin]

wondering what to get for my marksman to keep or increase speed and not have temp issues on 3s

[@72twist]

The Spektrum is made by Hobbywing.

[@ExocagedRC]

Yes we know

[@72twist]

@@ExocagedRC 😆Yeah I realized that after I posted. I am glad though I bought the Fusion Pro for my Vanquish build. Should be here today in fact.

[@BarbarisII]

​@72twist how's that working for you? I'm pretty sure I reset my esc in my capra today at work. That's what I get for crawling around on a drainfield mid-install lol. I hit the button too long, so be careful about that!

[@gmascagni]

I believe all the spectrum motors are rebranded HobbyWings that would explain why there are so many similarities

[@jayden1558]

Is it possible to program the Spektrum Firma to further reduce the speed of the slow crawler slower than the Hobbywing Pro?

[@Jsmith9619]

"Title Text Here" won on the drag brake portion

[@eddietorres4378]

I have a question , I have a Losi SBR 2.0 and I would like to know if a Max 6 G2 Combo can be install into this model , especially the new motor size they have which I think it's the 5690 ?

[@S9RUT]

I've heard/seen that the SE Fusion lacks descent control, in comparison to the Pro anyways.

[@garywynegarsvikingrc843]

Drag brake works great on the SE i have one in my class 1 rig .

[@ExocagedRC]

They all have great decent control, the only way any of these will fail at that is if the vehicle is geared wrong and over weight.

[@JOHND_RC]

Great video and great information 👍🏼💯

[@SebastianLong]

I want to get a 2 in 1 for a recently aquired Axial SCX 10 ll. I was looking towards the Spektrum before watching this video. The only thing still keeping me on the fence is is the Hobbywing bluetooth enabled? I have had terrible luck with many things that are bluetooth and i am over bluetooth equipment. Right now i have a TRX4 with the Hobbywing Axe in it that has parameters changed via bluetooth rather than the program card and every once in a while it reverts back to default settings. If the HW Fusion Pro does require bluetooth, then i will just go with the Spektrum.

[@ExocagedRC]

These require a separate tuner. No BT in these

[@SebastianLong]

@@ExocagedRC Thats what i like to hear. Ive got tuners for most of the big names in ESCs like the one for Smart, Castle, Hobbywing, and even Dynamite so tuning isnt an issue, just the bluetooth features. Thanks for the info.

[@SnarkyRC]

I've never had a problem with my Castle B Link Bluetooth module for my Castle Mamba X. The only Hobbywing crawler system that have Bluetooth are the AXE FOC Sensored Brushless combo series.

[@CommanderAstigRC]

What lipo are you running for this comparison Joe?

[@ExocagedRC]

This just had a 1500mah 3s

[@stevenjemison248]

Im new here is the receiver built in also or do you need to add a receiver?

[@ExocagedRC]

This is just the ESC and Motor, you'll need the receiver that comes with the radio

[@frederickbehn5610]

TITLE TEXT HERE, which brand is that again?

[@turbomike71]

For somebody just starting out, would the pro still benefit due to the slow control it has?

[@createsomefun]

Don't go brushless

[@DoubleADay]

The pro would be an excellent choice

[@createsomefun]

Even at their best they are trying to imitate the analog signal of a brushed motor.

[@jerryvolpini7987]

All prices from AMain: SE - $80 Pro - $150 Firma - $160 Spektrum priced themselves out of the game. The Pro retails for $10 less and outshines the Spekteum in every category. The SE offers performance in keeping with the Spektrum for half the price. Say what you want about the Firma being a fun motor for playing in the mud, it offers no advantage over the HW systems! 👍

[@cesco_rc]

Plus the Firma is sold by Spektrum but made by Hobbywing. It is just a slightly different version of the Pro.

[@vicferrarisgarage]

A great video to make would be explaining all 15 settings in detail on the black programmer. We don’t understand some of them at all. Thanks from Ocala great videos (full watcher)

[@ExocagedRC]

For the most part they are self explanatory, I'll see what I can do.

[@vicferrarisgarage]

@@ExocagedRC lol you are an rc God. What I learned as a fabrication god is what is self explanatory to you is baffling to newbies. 🤪

[@zdattonejones6709]

Good job

[@kennethrobinson9008]

Nice Showdown!

[@SnarkyRC]

The Fusion Pro and Fusion SE are the best out of those three. I see you didn't adjust your rear links to fit that body correctly. No idea why Element sold a 218mm body with a 213mm chassis.

[@JIPPERR_1]

Maybe its just me but i think its a better comparison when the motors are geared so the rc runs about the same speed regardless of kv

[@BuckHealy-o1b]

1800kv fusion motor, just put in my Truck, Couldn't use right away. Because no program card, didn't come with motor! Anyways I paid 120 for just motor, waited for program card so I haven't been able too try my Truck, But I took it out in the kitchen just for a little,too off great, stopped, and went too pull throttle. Didn't move just whined, checked ! The shaft broke right on motor!! Gear with half shaft on it ! Really upset, tried my truck once and now I don't know how to fix it ! Cause now I'm might have too toss it !! Not a very strong shaft. I can't drive my truck can anyone help

[@DoubleADay]

I'm going to get 2 2300kv systems when hobbywing has the next sale. Just gotta be patient

[@ExocagedRC]

Yeah just wait it out

[@DoubleADay]

Going to have to make it 3. I ordered the scx10 pro

[@jddd8385]

I don’t get it my SC goes just as slow as that pro

[@jddd8385]

Sorry se

[@jamessawyer8744]

How do these stay cool??!?!?!?

[@valiant7357]

Ok Fusion Pro it is.

[@old-rcplane-phart]

Idk y manufacturers don't use a sensor cable anymore. Sensored motors/esc's have phenomenal range all across the rpm range.

[@frozenshade666]

sensor cable to what exactly ? these are 2 in 1, ESC is IN the motor!

[@ExocagedRC]

Yes this is sensored with FOC, its built in to these. The ones that don't use the sensor wires have a very different drive program, they basically start the motor like a stepper motor and then once they hit a certain RPM they switch to a normal drive program. Holmes, Furitek and others use that style drive.

[@createsomefun]

Sensored motors are not waterproof

[@createsomefun]

all I know is that brushed motor still have better throttle response and are waterproof. with the gearing trucks run there is no reason to run brushless

[@TheTwtwo]

hall effect sensors are waterproof typically its the MFG not being able to water proof the connector if the hall effect and ESC is built into the can and waterproofed as one, then its easy.@@createsomefun

[@urdonercjeremyburris7541]

The spectrum 2in1 is a hobbywing 2in1. It's just rebranded

[@ExocagedRC]

Yes we know, what was interesting considering the SE and Firma have the same tuning but the Firma seemed so much stronger and punchy.

[@cesco_rc]

Correct. On the other hand. Nothing new on the SE. That one was already sold for several years by Konnect RC, a French RC company. Rebranded offcourse, sold mainly in Europe. Made by Hobbywing. So when Hobbywing came out with the SE they just had to change the case decal from Konnect RC to Hobbywing. Everyone thinking it was a new product when it was already available under a different brand name for years. That said. They are all great. I have several of the Pro, SE and original Fusion.

[@createsomefun]

I would also like to add these are all made by the same company, in case you didnt know. ZTW

[@dylanwhite6539]

Weird, I got much lower from the se

[@kjflyte5088]

The pro is 60 amp vs that junk spectrum 40 amp.

[@Jsmith9619]

"Ahh-Scent" or maybe "Ascent"

[@redndeyes]

I find it rather sad how spectrum charges so much for the same tunability as a se. Considering hw makes the spectrum. Greed at its finest.

[@Jsmith9619]

Wolverineish hair today

[@old-rcplane-phart]

👍😁

[@TheLilhulk1111]

I never buy spektrum sorry not worth it

[@crawljoerg]

Nice Video Nice crawler, like it 😎👍and subscribe 👍

[@needlejuse1113]

Awsome

[@hobbiesemgeralcarlos6542]

Show rc top

[@createsomefun]

Or just stick with brushed for trucks since there's no reason not to

[@TheLilhulk1111]

I do not think for a rebranded hobbywing the spektrum and $30.00 for the program card is it worth it at all. I highly dislike spektrum products they’re all just rebranded crap and it works worse than the original for more money stop buying it

[@douglaselliott8298]

I only recently learned how to attach a BEC to my stock TRX4(Thank-you Traxxas & your instructions). WTH do you plug in a BEC or other accessory on a Fusion SE? No matter how attractive they make these brushless systems I find no end to subsequent unanswered questions.

[@smokin0137]

They all have 8 Amp bec. No need for externally connecting a bec.

[@douglaselliott8298]

@@smokin0137 So ya just plug your 500+Oz/inch servos and accessories into the receiver(like in the old days)?

[@smokin0137]

@@douglaselliott8298 that's what I do.

[@Thatstonedbunny24]

This one is easy. Hobbywing is best.