Expanding Level1Techs' Reach with Point to Point 2.5G WiFi

[@smoshGaming]

Starting to think that Wendell just owns a small town in Kentucky at this point.

[@Mr_Quimper]

That's 'Mayor' Wendell to you. Folks round here just call him Boss.

[@Embermist69]

I think he might even have a parkway named after him in Kentucky. I don’t know his last name. However maybe? 🤣

[@FishTankKush]

he mentioned you could deploy a bunch if you wanted to a ISP for a small town. once mayor wendell takes over the ISP the FCC is next

[@sbrazenor2]

@@Embermist69 I believe it's Wilson.

[@samuelfrimp5152]

Owns? Or pwns?

[@Jelly420]

Thanks, Steve.

[@FrenziedManbeast]

This is great thanks L1T! I know several people with over 20 acres of land and this kind of tech will have strong appeal.

[@Hidyman]

Ubiquiti AF60-LR is around $250 per unit. It would be really interesting to see that in action. Worked at a WISP in SW Ohio and used Ubiquiti for the long haul links, worked really well, and that was over a decade ago.

[@SeijinSA]

Wave Pro LR @ $600 per unit, would get you to 2.7gb each way and include a backup 5Ghz radio. For this distance, you could even go down to a wave nano for reliability and get a full 1gb for $280 with a bit more reliability/failover protection vs the AF60-LR. A far cry from the $2000 cost of the unit in this video, that may not even provide half the bandwidth it advertises without additional antennas.

[@HydrantTV]

Working right now at a WISP in Poland. We also use Ubiquiti stuff, as well as Cambium. And I noticed that Force 300 from Cambium had a bit smaller failure rate that Loco M5 (or NanoStaton 5, however they are called now). Customers were also a bit more satisfied with connection provided with Cambium stuff. But for the long haul... I'd say Ubiquiti is still the king with their 60GHz stuff. Obviously, it is not as good as NEC stuff on licensed bands, but when 60GHz Ubiquiti does the job, we mostly use that and we bring NEC stuff when nothing else worked.

[@SeijinSA]

@@HydrantTV Agreed on general reliability on Cambium - have yet to have any real damage to Force300-25 and EPMP3000 series equipment, very noise resistant as well. PMP3Ghz/Medusa has been good in general as well. Put off adopting into EPMP4600 so far, firmware is a bit undercooked. Lost more than my fair share of Ubiquiti from storm damage (Direct/near Lightning strikes), but not one Cambium in the last 5 years. Honestly had not touched M series Ubiquiti gear in a decade though. Mostly AC/LTU in our setup for PTMP.

[@kadancomputers]

I use a fair amount of 60GHz Ubiquiti and it is awesome.

[@AikaCraftyCat]

We tested out a lot of different point to point and point and point to multipoint radios, including engenius ones. Engenius was okay, but we had range issues and support for required security features was poor (at least at the time). We actually ended up using a company we'd never heard of called Proxim (I believe their usual market is ship to shore connections?). Great range and speeds. The worst we used was a Cisco mesh style network - it seemed good at first, but it was constantly reshaping the topology and speeds tended to be abysmal. Not to mention the price...

[@leggysoft]

I have to contend with all sorts of weird cisco wifi bugs from expensive rental unit trash.

[@FrostyBrew]

Teams alert tricked me so hard

[@LokiCDK]

I ran an Engenious multi-point bridge back in 2012. In Canada in Ontario cottage country ran solid for 3 years, had one failure, it was winter ice and wind managed to dislodge the system. It was dangling from the ethernet. Cleaned it up reconnected no issues

[@UnknownProductions0]

i built a system for my buddys farm, two buildings 700 feet apart. using unifi i was going to originally use one of their wireless options. we ended up deciding on fiber and a small trench because it was gaurnteed to always work. i'd love to see those in the test roundup. my concerns were occasional connectivity issues with wireless and snow/weather. the other building has an apartment and 10 security cameras so it was necessary for 100% up time.

[@ABUNDANCEandBEYONDATHLETE]

I mean, it's a farm so running the fiber should be cheap if you don't need a permit. Otherwise the 802.11ay devices are pretty solid. Haven't tried it in rain regions outside the US yet though.

[@0ctatr0n]

Purely liked and watched to see Wendell use power tools and mount stuff on the roof

[@KuroDensetsu]

For the money, it's hard to beat the MikroTik Wireless Wire 60ghz products. The biggest downside is they are limited to 1gb Ethernet. I have half a dozen pairs in deployment, and they have been very reliable. Some even have 5 ghz radios for backup.

[@TheCreat]

We're also using them to link 2 close (ish) buildings, and the link has been incredibly reliable and sturdy. Unless a truck decides to park between them, which happened like twice and falls under "fair enough", and we just need to move one of the units further up on the building.

[@Itay1787]

The UI Wave UISP series are just amazing

[@jakobfindlay4136]

Oh finally get to see outside level one, very quaint and peaceful looking

[@grillinman84]

Dang that's slick, Wendell. I love a solid radio PTP connect between old buildings. Some sort of technomancy.

[@samuelriveros6446]

We need more videos like this. Awesome. 👌

[@t00lshack]

The UI wave series is pretty amazing.

[@breakfast-burrito]

It's a great product range. Airfiber 60LRs are looking to be bulletproof for full 1gbps duplex over a shockingly far distances. They are picky about alignment but they have basically no interference, and only use about 6W of power.

[@t00lshack]

@@breakfast-burrito I got a couple AF60XR links, one at 9km. I have like 6 AF60LR links, which are great but don't have the 5Ghz back up for intense weather events. Replacing those with the WavePros/WaveLRs. I really like the WavePros. 60Ghz is just so nice, never going back to 5Ghz backhaul unless absolutely required. I've tested the WaveAPs but haven't had a use case yet.

[@ngtflyer]

I am doing something similar on a smaller scale with older gear. I am using my old ECB-1750 AP as a bridge to connect my office over to my EWS-377 Fit access point in the next room, since I live in a rental and running Ethernet here isn't really an option. Uptime has been absolutely flawless. Speed, I get almost 900 mbit, and given my network is all 1 gbit, that's very good. I rarely even think about the fact that my link to the other half of the house is through this bridge. It's been that good. So the fact that you are getting the uptime and performance with these devices doesn't surprise me. My experience with Engenius hardware has been a very positive one.

[@weswesaw1094]

One of my local ISPs uses point to point for their customers. They cover most if not all of the county I live in and it works pretty damn well. I consistenly get about 120/40. They've been working to put fiber in the ground as well.

[@SeijinSA]

I mainly deal with UI/Cambium/Mikrotik. Some concerns, but this product has it's place. For the price point I may struggle to defend it. Being on 5Ghz is going to be strongly affected by local wifi interference with the urban environment. Higher noise on longer broadcasts with higher error rates. Smaller channel width may help keep higher compression of signal quality/speed. Bonded/channel Aggregation will be affected on retrans - expecting a bit of loss on sustained throughput for the prior reason. Weather/Tempature while good during initial setup, the temperature shift in an attic, shooting though single pane glass is going to lead to some impressive thermal ducting results for the remote unit. This might not be too bad but I would expect the chain imbalance to go between 2-6dbm as the season changes. While not parabolic antennas, both units appear to be partally occluded (wall/window/etc) within the first 30 degrees around the aiming cone/Fresnel zone of the antennas (Just an issue with compression and signal quality). This looks like an okay solution (if not cost effective) for a network link put up in a way to not be observed. I would expect 20-40% bandwidth usage to be semi reliable w/o external factors affecting it. Anything over that may work in bursts. Others have mentioned why not 60Ghz. And it would work quite well if the units were moved out of the attic. Local restrictions may have restrictions on what can be on the outside of a building, regardless of OTARD rules with historical buildings. I am curious to see how much the 5Ghz is impacted with the mid range trees that may green out in the spring. Again, great for network connectivity and offsite backup/recovery/monitoring. But I may not want over invest in it's capabilities just because the labels on the box say it can go up to an advertised rate.

[@SeijinSA]

Comedy options would be recommending SIAE/SIKLU/AVIAT for a short range link like this for non business use. UI's Wave gear (Pico-Nano-LR) would be okay for sub gigabit performance. WaveProLR gets a bit bulky but would get you back into the multigig each way, with options for passthough POE (24v/48v not AF/AT) and fiber connectivity. That said it is still Passive POE and will require it's own POE injectors or switching to put in line. Mikrotik would be great for a set it and forget it option, but good luck troubleshooting it at a glance w/o extensive product knowledge and external logging, should any events impact performance.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

The main 60GHz option being thrown around is, at least in theory, 2.5 times slower, and 60GHz is more prone to atmospheric interference, not to mention likely to be worse over time as mmWave 5G gets deployed in more places

[@SeijinSA]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 I would have more concerns over how they are trying to fit 2x 160mhz channels in the 5Ghz band. Considering both channel 50 and 114 fall in DFS bands and have their own power restrictions if following the "rules". If they allow free floating frequency use, they are still sitting within DFS for any of the frequency options. And it appears this kit requires a 2nd set of antennas to even use the 2nd radio built in to use the additional channel for the 2nd 160 mhz wide channel if you even attempted it. So on a single radio given the data sheet, it is capable of speeds up to 1.2gb per radio in half duplex under optimal conditions. Again this is a good and looks to be rugged set of kit. But there are FAR cheaper options as a single unit w/o requiring additional antennas and cost to hit the same speeds. Depending on how you configure this unit, be it the EOC655 or EOC655-C18 (with one panel antenna built in), would require at least another 18dbi panel on each side to get the 2.4ish gb of throughput. So expect to add on at least another $150 usd per side not counting any sort of adapters, mounting and cable concerns for a comparable 90 degree/18dbi 5ghz panel... that will just be bleeding and making more noise at the site. This product could be wonderful it it included the 6 Ghz band in addition to the 5Ghz, but it is simply using cheaper 5Ghz AX radios, self handicapping itself in way too many aspects.

[@ThePopolou]

Engenius kit are very competent. Used one of their first consumer wifi AP devices to poach Internet from someone over a mile away LoS in mountainous regions. Worked great.

[@TheJensss]

Any reason you opted for this instead of a 60GHz link? I have a cheap 60GHz PTP Mikrotik link at 300m at my farm and it can saturate a 1 Gigabit connection with no problem. Been rock solid for 2 years now. If you have the knowledge to configure it Mikrotik products provide outstanding value and performance.

[@la009895]

any issue with rain or snow interference?

[@MatthewMiller315]

@@la009895some gear is 60ghz/5ghz backup so 99% of the time you are on 60ghz and during rain events you would fall to 5ghz.

[@breakfast-burrito]

​@@la009895a lot of units include a 5ghz failover radio, mikrotiks included. It'll fall back to that radio at a lower rate to keep the link up if weather is too bad. You'll still get 100+ mbps if the 60ghz drops out. That being said, check if there's a 60Ghz E band ITU rain map for your area, that data is really helpful in showing how much 60ghz degrades over distance with respect to weather.

[@MarkRose1337]

For what it's worth, glass, especially energy efficient or tinted windows, strongly attenuates and reflects microwaves. You're probably better off to aim it through the wood if you don't have metal siding.

[@anthonymiller2288]

Somebody didn't pay attention to the whole video. He said that was temp for setup and final deploy is outside.

[@MarkRose1337]

@@anthonymiller2288 Ah, I missed that. Thanks!

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@anthonymiller2288To be fair, it's still useful knowledge in the event he has future temporary or permanent deployments of wireless infrastructure indoors. It's not immediately obvious to most people that glass is worse for wireless than wood

[@asknight]

One of my first PtP installs with EnGenius equipment was around 2015 and I was very happy with the reliability of the links I could set up with the units, though they were probably closer to 10mbit, IIRC. These "consumer" bands really shine in less congested or more rural areas and stable links over multiple miles are possible with LoS. The channel hopping tech in 2015 was quirky and lagged too much to rely on in an urban environment but there was definitely "a place" for consumer band outdoor units and that problem is almost non-existent now. The last quote I received for proprietary Motorola data link equipment for a ~5 mile was $12k

[@ABUNDANCEandBEYONDATHLETE]

You could do that for half including power, battery, and solar. Easily

[@ABUNDANCEandBEYONDATHLETE]

Still need help getting that link setup?

[@spaceminions]

I'm familiar enough to comment about Cambium and Tarana wireless ISP equipment. Based on how they do on the licensed CBRS band, I would say that Tarana is by far the one that has the best ability to deal with bad signal paths. It's too expensive if you're not an ISP, but if you could get a loaner you should try it; it's great engineering. Delay doppler stuff, plus the usual beamforming. I'm also told that the admin experience is much better with Tarana along with the service reliability, and plenty of people were fine with Cambium. Tarana does 3.65 and 5/6GHz and the latter may be able to hit the same rates as this; I can't remember if two base nodes can be set up for a backhaul or not. When replacing a cambium customer to use tarana with the radios at similar heights before and after, if they were on a 50/10 package before they'll probably be able to get 500 after, or some other massive jump.

[@l0gic23]

Thanks for saying the price at time of recording

[@JoshLiechty]

In the sub-$250 space, I've had great luck for years with Ubiquiti Nanobeam for basic line of sight point to point connections. That said, if I was still in the WISP space, I'd be strongly inclined to use 24 GHz, 60 GHz, or licensed frequencies for my backhauls, because burning 160MHz of 5 GHz for each PTP means there's that much less left for PtMP links to serve customers - and at least in my area, _all_ of the WISPs are using 5 GHz (though some also use CBRS for fixed LTE), so spectrum is more limited than you might think. I'll be interested to see what the outdoor wireless manufacturers come out with now that 6 GHz is becoming available for unlicensed use with automatic frequency coordination systems.

[@BillHutchison77]

Would love to see a comparison for other point to point options. Am considering something for a property to connect the shed to the house, and would love to see what affordable options might be available.

[@MrGeforcerFX]

We setup a decent amount of Ubiquity long distance point to points for locals business and rural customers with multiple buildings on property that they want to serve internet to, they have worked really well. Might have to give this one a try.

[@RunsOnRust]

Cringe... consumer products for commercial use....

[@randomactsofcontempt]

I need one of those retro standing mattress desks

[@mllarson]

Get to it first before every tech influencer "discovers" it and all of them have the same setup 🙂

[@cromefire_]

I mean for this kinda setup unifi's solutions would probably the best fit because you're only using it for point to point and none of that mesh stuff. And with their 60GHz to 5GHz fallback they look to be very very effective as well. With 2Gbit it seems a bit less like a backhaul and more of a last mile solution for a few people living a bit further off the main infrastructure

[@Marc.Google]

Wendell, Linus filmed a similar setup connecting the two LMG buildings, using I believe two Ubiquiti units. Might be worth a watch…

[@InconsistentManner]

my only concern here is using cable not rated for outdoor use.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

It’s unsettling to see how similar the buildings look that Wendell is spelunking around in to those I’m currently trying to add proper networking to.

[@candyczar]

Would love to see a comparison of different devices.

[@BryceDearden]

Some days I think I’m the target audience for your content, other days you talk about building a wireless ISP haha. All entertaining

[@Wbnt.]

I would have used the ubnt Wave-Pro they have 60ghz radio and then a 5ghz backup radio for when the weather is really bad. For you distance it is in specs to use. It has 2 2.5gb ethernet and a sfp+ port.

[@sloanNYC]

I was very confused why you were doing this until you showed the distance. I just figured this was in the back yard and you were overdoing it! LOL

[@ImUselessTeammate]

Hold up. Aren’t you supposed to use outdoor rated CAT6 cable coming out of the roof vent?

[@michaelglass1386]

I've done the flashing of a router for use in our separated garage, about 125 ft, for "off-site" backup. Not thrilled with performance. It works for casual internet browsing though. I cant afford this nice option. Ever try mounting external antennas to the router?

[@VelcorHF]

1920s decade house for sure. My roof has the same paneling. Edit: Holy shit $1200 is a lot but thats a good connection - en genius seems like really cool dudes. When the time comes to axe my ubiquity ufo, I'm in.

[@jfkastner]

After seeing Damage from a nearby Lightning Strike I'd hookup anything Outdoors ONLY with Fiber and a stupid - simple - cheap - dedicated Powerbrick ... but NOT PoE anymore

[@coreygibson15]

Is this so you can access your network from your house?

[@MWHM2]

For that price Ubiquiti can do 10 gbits, especially with their more ISP based products. 2x2 for a backbone APnis really a weird choice, especially for 1400 USD...

[@SeijinSA]

6Gb with bonding, via the AF60XG, for the same price per side... Yeah 5Ghz only on 2x2 w/o 6Ghz/AFC or 160/320 wide channel support. This is a hard product to even want to try in anything urban. But hey, you can always throw on some 34/37dbi dishes!

[@fivoasia64]

Let me be another voice asking for the comparison video of other equipment for wireless ISP development. I'd like to "retire" to a couple of hundred acres of farm where I can have a commercial-grade network supporting buildings spread out over the entire land owned. Think little workshops dedicated to different maker groups that do not (or cannot) be built next to each other physically for whatever reason(s).

[@SeijinSA]

Traditional client devices do not have dedicated range as a design feature. You might hear the wifi, but your device not be able to talk back to it. Each building will need to have it's own distribution/mesh/uplinks. Direct line of site when dealing with higher frequency - 5Ghz and above between buildings without much in the way of trees. 2.4 when going though tree coverage up to 100-300ft (depending on antennas) And hardwire to clean redistribution points or trench with fiber for as much as you can reasonably.

[@aravindpallippara1577]

At a certain point fiber everywhere is better

[@fivoasia64]

@@aravindpallippara1577 "At a certain point" probably doesn't include tunneling through shale layers turned into stone over a few million years. Hence the need for OTA communications vice any sort of fiber or wired.

[@fivoasia64]

@@SeijinSA Appreciate the input. I'm targeting desert/mountainous terrain; think Grand Canyon-ish. 5Ghz would be the perfect mode from my experience.

[@aravindpallippara1577]

@@fivoasia64 Yeah that's a reasonable argument, but you can always do overhead - I know it's dirty and all, but same requirements of LOS as wireless variants, and goes wrong more but also easier to fix in the same vein.

[@ABUNDANCEandBEYONDATHLETE]

Just wait until those leaves grow back. May need to readjust the antenna then.

[@dikbozo]

Any atmosphere effects? Snow, rain, fog?

[@la009895]

Can’t wait for a roundup. I need something to extend internet to a barn that’s about 300 yards away from the house. Right now I’m paying for two Internet subscriptions.

[@NeptuneSega]

My cheapass would have run cable over there by now if it was only 300 yards until I could get something like this up and running

[@MarkRose1337]

I'd run direct burial fiber. If you're handy you can do it yourself.

[@MarkRose1337]

@@NeptuneSega You'll get too much voltage drop to run Ethernet that distance.

[@la009895]

@@MarkRose1337 that’s what we found

[@breakfast-burrito]

Unifi UISP Wave Pico will get gigabit over to the barn for 180 bucks per antenna. Local setup, easy management. Backup 5ghz radio.

[@benjaminrathjen152]

Any plans for Unifi Device Bridge Testing? (Multipe levels of cost)

[@drcrankenstein]

I would like to see how this compares to a fible cable suspended mid-air by drones, which are wirelessly powered by focused microwave beams.

[@DoctorMandible]

Fly a balloon up 100' with one on it. Powered and controlled by a 100' usb tether.

[@FishTankKush]

i have two houses cant be seen and a few houses in the way but they are 2 blocks apart(3 minute walk) is this possible to use this or you need to be able to SEE the target you are aiming for .

[@coreygibson15]

@FishTankKush I'm pretty sure it will need line of sight

[@SaltCollecta]

Finally a worthy competitor to the horrendous UBNT solutions?

[@thefoxman88]

Got any sub$200 options that you can recommend?

[@Hypn0s2]

I'm not Wendel but I would suggest Ubiquiti UISP products. The LiteBeam 5AC is good for the price. Make sure it is the AC model.

[@Andrew_Thrift]

Waiting for Wendell's Mikrotik arc

[@Combatwhombat]

Two gigabit strikes me as an absolute failure for twin 5Ghz channels. Transmission speed is, of course, impacted by the modulation type and the overhead of error correction, but most modulations benefit from operating higher on the frequency spectrum. Seems like they skimped on the modems. Edit: Yeah, amping up an 802.11 modem and attaching it to a directional antenna is a solution. And I can see how it's convenient and easy for some situations, on the cheap. However, as a wireless network backbone dual 1000 base T speed leaves a lot to be desired. This does appear to be a good consumer solution at a good price though.

[@luke6038]

What phone is Wendell using?

[@MACDRU421]

So is this the only way to get Wendell to leave the office? I guess it’s EnGenius. 😊

[@ask_carbon]

Woah Wendell outside?

[@Xamy-]

Lightning is far far far beyond 6000 volt though?

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Yes, but only directly at the lightning impact point. The voltages killing devices nearby are still pretty high, but no longer in the MV range. Of course there is always a remaining risk.

[@ronbaer67]

i remember when this was just called wifimax and homebrew were using old satellite dish's for signal

[@sodvm]

More please.

[@tomkeating65]

Ideally you want to go with a long wire

[@albinoalpaca1059]

Im early this time, what madness are we cooking today?

[@BestSpatula]

Neat Wi-Fi toys. Eventually you will just want fiber.

[@Renull55]

More of this wendel

[@billkillernic]

1390 euro for 1 of them? thank you but no thank you lol this is more for government budgets where ppl throw money away like its confetti lol

[@mr_g2671]

Look at ubiquity range of equipment and compare

[@brians8664]

Im shocked at that price in a bad way. There are plenty of better solutions that are 60ghz with 5ghz backup radio that are way cheaper, even accounting for the 2.5Gb Ethernet port.

[@whitev6]

I hope Wendell was in this years Disappointment Build 2024 for Gamers Nexus

[@RichHornerCheeseAndJamSandwich]

[AUDIO] please add a high pass filter to your mics! Us poor headphone users are thinking there's an earthquake when you moved upstairs and the infrasound kicked in!

[@RunsOnRust]

How about you manage your own audio? Why do you clowns always believe it is others responsibility to manage your experiences?

[@FellaMegaOld]

Cut 5:08:30 to 5:09:15

So Wendell used company funds and sponsored money to get better download speed at his own house? :D

[@flweeptwo]

Now get 2 and aggregate them 😈

[@TechnoBrown]

Ubiquiti Wave Nano will beat this eaveryday

[@silbaums]

Awsome

[@88tx]

you guys are so lucky that you can just set up ptp willy nilly without any license and permit and without the fear of the government people finding out, fines you, and give u cease and desist letter. insanely lucky and blessed if u ask me. and paid by en genius too. damn what a lucky guy.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Wow

[@kadancomputers]

60GHz ftw

[@TayschrennSedai]

4:27 I'll help your clutter and take that b450 off your hands 😊

[@TayschrennSedai]

5:35 wow 1890s construction attic?

[@RighteousBruce]

i need 6 gigabit to max my internet out.

[@Retr0_ofwgkta]

i've never been so early lol

[@treyquattro]

didn't LTT already do this? To an island or something (that's Canada for you)

[@codycarreras4825]

Yes, they did that one to his parents cabin on the island, the long range one in the city, and the point to point airfibre from their main building in their complex to the other separated building in the complex before they fished fibre over.

[@alignedfibers]

Not on you, but youtube itself, since I have already watched this and they keep trying to replay it when I have autoplay on and I was on a total different channel, but it keeps thinking to send me back here, a dislike in the intent to tell the algorithm I want this less is being added, sorry for hurting metrics for you at all.

[@jwdickieson]

I hear a woman companion that's helping you ...

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

For the animal population skynet already arrived

[@tomhollins5303]

"A lot of these are cloud managed" ...and I'm out.

[@Level1Techs]

this one's not though, is the point

[@tomhollins5303]

@@Level1Techs Doh! Thanks. I need to actually pay attention.

[@JasonsLabVideos]

EWW. Engenius :(. Mikrotik is way better !

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Unfortunately MikroTik is a bit more on the “conservative” side regarding their Wi-Fi products. Wi-Fi 6 just became a thing there, Wi-Fi 7 nowhere to be seen yet. Would love a directional point-to-point 60 GHz bridge solution with a 6 GHz Wi-Fi 6E fallback option from MikroTik.

[@JasonsLabVideos]

@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Their Wireless Wire kit's are AMAZING ! and blow ANYTHING Engenius out of the water !!

[@shangrilaladeda]

5ghz is much better honestly 2.5 should be phased out

[@potatoes5829]

explain?

[@shangrilaladeda]

@ when I use 2.5ghz I get slow connections, with 5ghz is much faster a little less stable when 2.5ghz goes more power can go into the 5ghz and be more stable

[@shangrilaladeda]

@ that is why I said phase out 2.5 than 5 can be much better

[@IrredeemableGhost]

I haven't started watching it yet, but from the title I assume it's about 2.5Gb/s network bandwidth, not the 2.4GHz bands of wifi. Personally, I do disable 2.4GHz radios because it creates noise for my neighbors and bluetooth devices and all my devices support 5/6GHz. But it certainly has its place because of its superior penetration for people who have a lot of floors/walls and only use a single WAP.

[@blackhorseteck8381]

​@@shangrilaladeda 5Ghz has very poor obstacle penetration which makes it the lesser choice for P2P outdoors relays.

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Bird murderer. Company i worked for did this. We had to clean up 70 lbs of dead bird a month in fl. Should be illegal.

[@coreygibson15]

@@Hawlkeye-e9p what are you on about?

[@Hidyman]

I smell 70 lbs of BS.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

These Wi-Fi access points aren’t microwave transmitters or active radars. Yes, those can actually cook animals (and humans, too).

[@Hidyman]

@@abavariannormiepleb9470 But, that's not what we are talking about.

[@thomaslindell5448]

Engenius. I’ve found their products to be somewhat cheap and they tend to use lower spec parts. At least that’s been my history with them