SETÚBAL Is Rapidly on the Rise | HERE'S WHY! (Value for Money in Lisbon Region)

South of Lisbon is the port city of Setúbal, which has not been talked about or thought about very much until really recently. Josh and Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere take you all around the city to find out what it has to offer and if it could be a place that you want to live in here in Portugal. Its lower cost of housing and proximity to Lisbon could make it the perfect home for you to seek great value for money.
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[@ricardosaraiva7729]

I live in Setúbal and I have mixed feelings when I see this type of videos. If on one side I really get glad that the city gets known, on the other hand I just think on how bad it gets for locals when tourists come in at an high rate - housing prices will continue to shoot up (more than doubled over the last 4 years) and gets impossible for local people to live here...and if "setubalenses" don't live here, you won't get "that feeling". Anyway, it's a nice place indeed. Cheers!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Ricardo. From what we've been told from realtors, it's not "tourists" that are pushing up the prices, it's Lisbonites selling there and moving south. - Josh & Kalie

[@patareca]

@@ExpatsEverywhere don't believe what you are told be realtors, of course they are going to say that. You are a big part of the problem, time to accept this

[@Leo-Bassment]

It’s like that everywhere around the world amigo ! From San Francisco California , to Koh Samui Thailand ! People looking for paradise and when they find it , it’s like a gold rush , all moving in and ending up destroying it ! It starts with inflation , rent , then overpopulation , pollution , then , crime , drugs , unemployment! And this will end with another rush somewhere ! Soon we’ll have to move to Mars! Oh wait , I think we are already going ! Boa sorte ! 👍

[@Leo-Bassment]

The ‘Lisbonites ‘ are moving to Setúbal and other smaller cities because of rise in costs caused mostly by expats , moving in to Lisbon at record breaking speeds from England , Germany , France , China, USA, etc ! Who can blame them ! Everyone is looking for paradise but for the locals it’s not about retiring in the sun , it’s about day to day survival !

[@55charcar]

@@Leo-Bassment Very true. Here in Seattle, Washington many longtime residents are getting pushed out because of rising prices.

[@m000Theevilcow]

Too bad you guys didn´t showcase Tróia and Arrábida range, for me, it´s impossible to think of Setúbal without thinking of Tróia and Arrábida !! Also, the commuter takes about 1h from Setúbal to Lisbon but there´s no risk of catching traffic on it, it has comfortable seats with AC on every carriage and crossing the 25th April bridge on the train and enjoying the view for me almost makes it worth the ride.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Sorry, we're visiting Tróia Friday and couldn't get the drone up because of wind to show the range, however, for us, these videos are more about the cities themselves rather than the regions at large. Thanks for the feedback though. - Josh & Kalie

[@zairoart]

@@ExpatsEverywhere I hope you get the drone up. You will be amazed what you find. Follow the coast. The Sado Bay is amazing. Just outside Setubal there were orangeries with a type of orange grown only there "laranjas da baia." The best oranges I ever tasted.

[@luminousscope5956]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Troia is definitely relevant (maybe an addendum?) because locals can take the ferry and just spent the day there and enjoy. In terms of perks to living here...walk to the ferry...15 minutes to incredible beaches and beautiful walks along the coast. The return ferries run until quite late as well. Enjoy!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@luminousscope5956 there’s no addendum to KZbin videos. We went to Tróia after we shot the footage for this video. We filmed vlog style there but haven’t used the footage yet and maybe we won’t to be honest.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@zairoart the drone pilot (G) decided not to go. It was me and Kalie with Honeymoon Always (Dan and Michelle).

[@marielviap]

We moved in January to Setubal and we love it here amazing city and amazing people

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

🥳 Great! Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie

[@ShannaTrenholm]

I say our city is a little gritty and a little pretty. We have a great community here, but housing--rental or purchase--is scarce. It's getting really tough (lots of my clients want to be here). It's such a hidden gem--and you don't need a car! :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

A little gritty and a little pretty, we like that! Thanks, Shanna. Let us know if you wanna met up tomorrow (email us at [e-mail]). Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie

[@ShannaTrenholm]

@@ExpatsEverywhere will do :)

[@megs929]

A little gritty and a little pretty sounds really intriguing.

[@theushistorian]

@@ExpatsEverywhere I had an incredibly valuable consultation with Shanna about moving to Portugal! She is a really great resource!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@theushistorian Thanks for sharing, we had a great time catching up with Shanna and talking to her about life in Setúbal. - Josh & Kalie

[@wimooms28]

Setubal is a great place to live. Bought my apartment 2 years ago after 3 months hunting for a good place. The town is fantastic. Has a sublime food market and a secret fish market for people in the know. Cost of living very affordable. nice people and surrounding.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Wim! Great to know and we're glad you're happy there. - Josh & Kalie

[@vodcome]

Setubal is very interesting…I like the actual “Portugal” feel of this city. Thanks for doing this video. All the locations you’ve visited have been filled with lots of great info.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you very much. We LOVE the Portuguese feel of places. It's what makes a place so charing. You're very welcome. Thanks for the support, kindness, and caring about us. 😊 - Josh & Kalie

[@georgd3013]

Setúbal definitely ticks all the boxes for me. Living in a place like this is the best way to integrate and savor authentic Portuguese life. I like its close proximity to Lisbon, the cost of living, weather, seafood, beaches, outdoor activities, and that you don't really need a car. Thanks for presenting this hidden gem, I so appreciate the good information. P.S. When do you normally post your viewers' survey for future destinations, I seem to have missed them.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi George D! Thanks for sharing your wishlist. We usually post it after our Live streams. The poll stays active for 48 hours and then we plan our logistics to get to the next place. 😅 Coimbra was the winner for Central Portugal - Josh & Kalie

[@georgd3013]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Looking forward to your Coimbra adventures!

[@PortugueseWithLeo]

Thanks for having me in the video guys! It was a fun day :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. Thanks for the help! Hope to do it again sometime. - Josh

[@cagucinho]

The city of Setubal and surrounding areas (Palmela, Arrabida, Quinta do Anjo) are very well establish for decades among the portuguese people for wonderful weekends, beach day out or holidays. Fantastic flat sea to swim, amazingly good sand, vibrant vibe all around (not sure now with pandemic and restrictions) food heaven places all prices and ranges and list goes on and on. So, when you guys say it is an upcoming area, that`s not true unless you talking about mass tourism. I do hope tourism keep visiting the area but at moderate rate.

[@hakimrouachi5940]

Vous avez oublié Troia 🇵🇹🇵🇹 en bateau ⛵ j'ai visité setubal 🏡 ville tranquille et magnifique 👍👍 cordialement

[@neilkasher]

I live in Setubal, it's an incredible place to be, amazing value for money and so close to Lisbon, add to that the best beaches in Portugal are in this region as well as the best national forrest and you have a very compelling argument to live here :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Neil. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@kathyw9439]

Great insights! Setubal is on our short list - appreciate how you back up your opinions against a checklist of what’s important for your family situation. Really enjoying the virtual tours!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Glad you enjoyed it! It's only on our radar now too! We love PORTO, you know? But, Setúbal could be an interesting place for us to consider. Thanks for the feedback, Kathy. - Josh & Kalie

[@brianwhite1189]

Love the high-energy and enthusiasm! Moving quickly from point to point with a summary really works well! Looking forward to the same from other interesting places. Thanks!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for the feedback, Brian. We're really happy to hear it and glad to know that what we're trying to accomplish in these is working. We'll try to keep improving them and we're nowhere near a finished article. - Josh & Kalie

[@moward301]

Setúbal! It was tentatively on my list, and now definitely on my shortlist! You guys are amazing! Great detail as usual! Thank you very much!!👍🏽👍🏽❤

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome, Mo! Glad we can provide you with the info you're looking for. Thanks for the support. - Josh & Kalie

[@pbohearn]

Another small town on the Stlantic south of Lisbon Is Sesimbra., A fishing Village but also a summer escape for Portuguese especially from Lisbon as it’s so close but yet so far from the big city. It’s definitely worth a visit and maybe a day at the beach. They do have some hotel accommodations and a resort that just opened, and general housing including leases etc.

[@tinglestingles]

The local police are no longer allowing cars on the beach road for some of the beaches due to parking issues and the difficulty of emergency vehicles getting through. Buses can get to all the beaches 15mins - 25minutes from the centre depending on which beach.

[@Leo-Bassment]

Guys , great videos ! As a Portuguese now living in Canada and also who has lived and worked ( not only passing through as a short or medium term tourist ) in a few other countries , I’d recommend getting a local Portuguese person to be part of your vídeos , someone who can show you places and explain the things that you are missing ! Believe me , you are missing 80% of what’s around you ! Ask more locals to show you ! There are hidden gems everywhere in Portugal that only the locals know ! Good luck and keep up the good works! Boa sorte!👍

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you very much! We hope that North America is treating you well. Not sure what you mean about showing us places and explain things that are missing as we're giving an overview of a variety of cities and towns. Showing us places that only locals know about would be a separate piece of content. - Josh & Kalie

[@55charcar]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Overview is a key word when describing your videos. Great content, but it's impossible to go into great depth and detail and the nuances of a place without local guidance and knowledge. I think this is what LM was referring to.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@55charcar Thank you. It's impossible for us to go into all the nuances in a 10-15 minute video. - Josh & Kalie

[@mikejackson1410]

Thanks, thanks, thanks!!! Limited tourist activity sounds great 👍.

[@BOULDERGEEK]

That's what I was thinking. When I traveled Mexico, all of these people directed me to San Miguel de Allende. It was like Bariloche, Argentina. Pure tourist, only English spoken. It didn't take me long to bail back to Guanajuato and Queretaro.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome, Mike. Very limited but it's honestly got enough going on that tourist should probably visit. 😅 - Josh & Kalie

[@RichD2024]

Thanks for covering Setubal, been waiting for this one. :)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

🥳 Glad we got it covered for you, Richard. Hope you continue watching though. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@kathykaz3027]

Second time I have watched this video since Setubal is on our now very short list. We will be coming from Philadelphia, and I was going to say "gritty" may be the word you are looking for, and I see others have said this as well. I do think a little grit makes things more interesting. Thanks again!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Kathy! It's definitely the word that we found for Setúbal but Porto has that as well so we're kind of attracted to it. - Josh & Kalie

[@elyseb674]

@Kathy Kaz, you had me at Gritty yo! I'm a Philadelphian currently stationed in Spain. Hope to retire in Portugal when I retire from the 🇺🇸 ⚓. Fly Eagles Fly!

[@MariaHelenaFarris]

LOVE SETÚBAL!!! I have such fond memories of it as a child there. Great to hear it being less expensive. THANK YOU for the flash back of childhood memories!! 💕

[@MariaHelenaFarris]

Correction as a child visiting there! 😁

[@jorgeduarte2360]

Oh...and the wines... you forgot the wines! I love Setúbal.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yup, we had our fair share of wine. - Josh & Kalie

[@MrMitos5000]

Setubal has great wine by the way!

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

The best in Portugal. At least right now in international contest the Palmela/Setúbal region win most prizes comparing to Douro and Alentejo region. The negative thing was they rise in the price like they rise in popularity, i use to buy one bottle of Dona Ermelinda Freitas (with +3 years of age) 10 years ago in Pingo Doce for about 1,50€ and right now is impossible to find for less than 8€.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Here, here Simple Brian. We've definitely tried a good amount. 😅 - Josh & Kalie

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing about how the wine has performed in competition. - Josh & Kalie

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

@@ExpatsEverywhere No problem. But moderation (about the wine) is the key. :D

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@arturjcrebelo3275 😁 We're not getting any younger. - Josh & Kalie

[@jmlmo35]

There are 3 citys and a small town that you guys need to visit, and all in the northern Portugal: Guimarães, Braga, Viana do Castelo and Ponte de Lima.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

3 out of the 4 will be on our poll when we open it up for our transition to the North. - Josh & Kalie

[@carlosantunes7544]

Thanks for sharing this video. It is always nice to hear good things about your country. I also lived abroad a biga part of my life. I think Portugal has good and bad things, but maybe something that I think it is important to mention is that portuguese people are very sympathetic, they always say hello and help if you ask for... The food is nice, but I think you should check seafood like "Ameijôas" or "Sapateira" or "Massada de Peixe", these dishes are cooked in a portuguese way, which you might like. I also agree with the car, it is easier to live with a car in Portugal, due to traffic, buses might get late, and via car you can enjoy amazing views like the ones provided when crossing the bridges. Some places can be cheap if you know where to look, you can have lunch in Lisbon for 4 euros if you know the tricks, and there are many cofees, restaurants, bars and discos to enjoy. If you like to live in a calm place without traffic and space, Setubal is nice. Another thing about Setubal is that in 2 minutes by car you can enjoy the forest and farm life, which is super calm, there are beautiful beaches if you go down the road to Algarve, some hidden by the trees. In Alentejo there are beaches that are so beautiful that you may relax you spirit, like the "Aivados" beach or "Zambujeira do Mar", the places where people from Libon pass the change of the year. The water is cold compared to the mediterranean sea, but one thing that I like is that you can work and study at the same time, or take online university courses. You might find more english speaking people in the Algarve, the architecture there has some arabic influence and things are also calm. And the portuguese shopping centers have lots of things like cheap cinemas compared with the US. I hope more people like you decide to move to this country and that you enjoy this country. Godspeed.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for your comment, Carlos. You'll notice if you watch some of our other videos that we comment on some of the very things you talk about here. We unfortunately can't pack everything into every video and keep it under 20 minutes. 😅 There are many people like us that are contacting us about moving here. It's a lot of fun for us to help good people find a great country to move to. Godspeed to you too! - Josh & Kalie

[@patareca]

I hope they do come and visit and then leave

[@PauloSantos-pq8ye]

Setúbal a cidade mais bonito do 🌎 onde eu nasci a 54anos parabéns pelo comentário

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Paulo. - Josh & Kalie

[@helenavilhena5804]

Setúbal has beautiful beaches, good wine cheese and the best fish market of Portugal and one of the best in Europe.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Helena! - Josh & Kalie

[@thepeacefulpack]

Very pretty area, only so far I'm still happy with the area we chose (Caldas da Rainha). For those ex-pats wanting a car - it's an easy process and the same as buying from a dealer in most countries. We bought directly from Nissan and chose the 2021 Juke. Dealer helped with insurance and yes if we weren't being frugal, we would have bought the Mini - which is the perfect sized car for European cities. OH...and the land transfer tax is surprisingly high (almost cost the same as the car).

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

But at least the anual property tax is peanuts compared to any 1st world country In my case i pay 1/1000 of the value of my property per year. By the way great choice, when i was kid my family went on vacation in a nearby city call São Martinho do Porto.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, The Peaceful Pack! 🙏 - Josh & Kalie

[@milancollin1819]

We just arrived last week and finding our way around. We took our bikes so it easy to go around faster. Last year (March 20) we planned to make our move from Amsterdam but Covid postponed our idea, especially with our kids need to go to school. We are filmmakers, travelled and produced in over 100countries over the last 25years. Coming here for more rest and outdoor living. I believe there are much more beautiful buildings and areas to show the variety of this lovely city but like you mentioned the budgets aren't high these days 😘 thanks for the great job.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you for sharing. We hope you have a great stay there in Setúbal! - Josh & Kalie

[@bratboybobbee6938]

Really found this video to be both informative, and helpful. Setubal, and neighbouring areas have been on my radar as somewhere of interest, but yours is the first video that I’ve come across which provides really useful information. Thank You!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Great to know. Thanks for the feedback. On our current project, we're going to different cities in all the continental regions of Portugal and checking out places by the vote of our Patrons and YT audience. It's not too late to join and have your voice heard. We're currently in Coimbra shooting videos. Hit subscribe and get active in the comments like this as well as on the YT channel page "community tab". That's where we communicate with the larger audience. - Josh & Kalie

[@jordinja]

Thanks Josh and Kalie, Setúbal firmly on our list now. Also, climate info very helpful too 👍

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome! We're glad to hear that it's on your list. It's worth a look. Thanks for the feedback. - Josh & Kalie

[@theeclecticone4902]

This is my city Setubal !!! I’ve not been visiting More then 2 years because of the pandemic!! Hopefully 🙏 next year … I can go back visit my parents and the rest of family!!!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Sorry to hear that you haven't made it back! We hope you can soon. - Josh & Kalie

[@fckbigtech6779]

which pandemic?

[@elizabethreynolds6874]

Another great video! Love your perspectives and open-mindedness! Thank you Josh & Kalie! 🤗💓

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Elizabeth. We try to be open-minded for sure. We think that the little extra time in a place helps too. - Josh & Kalie

[@madisonlytle1258]

Ah yes, I've always been curious about this area. Thanks so much for sharing!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome, Madison. You've gotta check it out! - Josh & Kalie

[@paulashwell1604]

I haven't watched to many but its nice ti finally see your hair

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

😁🧢 Thanks, Paul! - Josh & Kalie

[@luisPcordeiro]

I lived here all my life. It's very interesting to see my city from the eyes of an expat: It's well connected to Lisbon. Express busses take 40 minutes to "Parque das Nações" (old Expo 98)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing, Luis. - Josh & Kalie

[@55charcar]

Obrigada Luis for mentioning Express Bus to Lisbon. Your local knowledge is important.

[@fatjonhk]

Nice series for people thinking about moving to Portugal just like me. Could you also show every new locations with a map? Audience will have better idea how far from the major city

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi, Jonathan. Yes, sorry about that. We've been very bad about the map. We'll get that fixed. Thanks for the feedback. - Josh & Kalie

[@chuckmurray1825]

Thanks for this video. Setubal is one of the places I've been looking at for retirement.

[@Luckyamor]

Tróia or Comporta? 🙄

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome, Chuck. Thanks for watching and commenting. Keep us posted on your retirement plans. - Josh & Kalie

[@Neptunomtazul]

Não, não, Muito obrigado mas... è tudo o que Setúbal não precisa. Especulação imobiliária vão faze-la para Lisboa, Cascais, Sintra. Deixem Setúbal em paz. O custo de vida já disparou em Setúbal e isso é péssimo para as pessoas que aqui moram.

[@lisad7459]

You guys are awesome! Thank you for doing this series. Just became a patron. ❤️

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Aww 🥰, Lisa! Thanks. We see you!! We really appreciate the support. We hope to continue getting better and better and make you proud. You're helping build this! - Josh & Kalie

[@oanagonzalez4653]

Thank you for this video. I plan to visit Setúbal soon. A good video on Portugal (in my opinion) would be where should you live in Portugal if you don’t like the wind. I’m a bit north of Cascais now (Alcabideche), and after a year here, I stopped going out. The wind is so strong, especially in July and August, that I simply don’t want to be outside. So we need to move…

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you, Oana. I'm not sure that we can cover that just yet but we'll look into it. - Josh & Kalie

[@Luckyamor]

I live in the district of Setúbal. City of Setúbal has many Brazilians and has Tróia where i'd like to live, It's so beautiful and calm.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing. We've heard the Brazilian accent a bit but not more than anywhere else we've been. 😅 - Josh & Kalie

[@Luckyamor]

Or Comporta, where Madonna rideed a horse

[@tinglestingles]

We're here now. Loving the 'Stoob' vibe! a Christmas market is in place. We like the Troia area too. We might make this 'our home'. There's Uber here and it's flat - we're English... we walk. Our progress.... we've got our NIF, getting our bank account next week, and will be viewing apartments.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Congrats on all the progress! Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie

[@tinglestingles]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Yes - signed a 12 month lease.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@tinglestingles Congrats

[@michaelmatisse2808]

Lol 90 °F is only 32°C, I did not expect that,felt boiling hot for a second. Thanks for adding Celsius degrees to your videos, it is easier for me.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome! Can you believe it was 39 the other day?! - Josh & Kalie

[@chicagomike]

It’s a beautiful town but the area is one of the best in Portugal. There is the fabulous beaches around comporta which is largely unknown to non Portuguese. Arrabida is lovely and Cabo espichel on my favorites in all of Portugal. Rents are not inexpensive but about $700 for a decent place more or less in the city center, according to idealista. One bedroom.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks for sharing! The place we stayed in would probably be €300-400/month if it was on the mid to long term rental market. It wasn't in a decent place nor was it a decent apartment. - Josh & Kalie

[@chicagomike]

@@ExpatsEverywhere wow. Cheap rent. I pay over a 1000 in chicago. Where did you live again for that rent. LOL. I could retire LOL.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@chicagomike effectively in a social housing block outside the city center. It was the only place that accepted dogs. As if Pincho should count. He’s barely a dog. 😆- Josh

[@chicagomike]

@@ExpatsEverywhere amazing. Even public housing in chicago is not that cheap. LOL.

[@droops63]

Really appreciated this, because when everyone was voting on destinations we were talking about how little there was on Setúbal. Sounds enchanting in many ways. Also like that it's up and coming. It isn't THAT far from Lisbon and I have to wonder if the city and region grow that more connections with Lisbon will happen as a result. BTW, the ocean looks to be more like a protected bay. Did the water seem calmer, and/or warmer, than being right on the coast?

[@droops63]

Oh, and good to see Leo there. His videos are very helpful.

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

Around Lisbon is the cheapest and one the most beautiful (not the city itself) but the nature. They mention one protected area only (the Arrábida national park), but there are the Sado Estuary Natural Reserve that for me is amazing and beautiful, in half of the time there are Flamingos there and Dolphins all year in the river. One the best spots in Europe to bird watch. And they forget to mention the Troia peninsula and Comporta with beautiful beaches you have a boat from Setubal to cross to the other side of the Sado river.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you. We agree and we're so happy that it was voted #1. We were also glad to see Cascais but it seemed like an obvious place. We just hung out with a viewer that drove down from Cascais and she really like what she saw here in Setúbal. Yes, the water is calmer than say Costa da Caparica. - Josh & Kalie

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Was it a surprise?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We went in the natural reserve today and are looking at going to Troia Friday. - Josh & Kalie

[@billydinglejohnson3714]

Setúbal is my city boraaa🇵🇹

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Awesome! Thanks for the love. We really enjoyed putting this interview on and the follow up with Louisa that we did a few months ago. - Josh & Kalie

[@flavial.7215]

Definitely, I will try to visit Setúbal. :) I was reading that some local artists like the area and have some street performances. Are you feeling this vibe?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Cool! Thanks for the comment. Honestly, we haven't seen a ton of street performers. It's certainly not as much as Lisbon or Porto, but it's a good vibe down here and we've been able to spend several days in different areas of the center, which has given us a more even opinion of the place. - Josh & Kalie

[@richvangogh]

It was so Great to see the time Pincho the Pinto Bean! I have missed him. I've noticed, and I have been crying a bit about it, that you have not commented or replied to my comments for quite a bit. It could be that I have overworked my joking around about being your driver? If that's the case I do apologize. Speaking of Movin,' I am headed to Long Beach just next to LA. I finished my Masters degree and need to work about 3 more years before I can cash in my chips. I landed a pretty Big job in LA at a print shop printing famous artists work...so it is a big deal for me. Much love to the team! You favorite Patreon Member, Rich Ramone!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hey Rich! We think we've been replying. We haven't been avoiding you for sure. Sometimes we do miss comments for one reason or another as they roll in sometimes they get lost, especially when people start replying to each other because YT notifies us in a different way for those. Congrats on the move and new job! Very exciting. We're really happy for you and we 100% appreciate your patreonage. 😁 Can you believe how big our group is getting over there?! 90 Patrons now! We might just hit our 150 Patron goal to send us to one of the two islands. Thanks, Rich. Stay in touch. See you on the Live on Patreon. We've schedule it already just for you! 😊 - Josh & Kalie

[@AlgarveAddicts]

Great video guys, super interesting and very well made. One of your best yet 👍🏼

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hey! Thanks, Nick. That means a lot coming from you. 😊 - Josh & Kalie

[@diogosimoes1031]

Just what we needed... expats coming to other areas and raising rent prices for locals. Don't get me wrong. I love that tourists love my country but this really doesnt help rent prices.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

If we're being honest, Diogo, it's probably tourist that are raising the rents more than expats. What we're seeing is that foreign investors (that don't live here) are purchasing properties for the AL market, which could be rented to a mix of tourists and expats renting for the medium term, but nightly rates provide greater ROI and will allow people to make more money if they charge higher prices, which is making the market a bit crazy. At least in Porto (were we understand the market better), AL permits are being really limited by government regulation. The puzzling thing is that taxes on long-term rentals is higher for the property owner than AL so it makes more sense to want to have an AL than a long-term rental.

[@simonledoux8519]

Great and useful video! It was fun that you guys collaborated with Leo! He also makes super videos. I've always have been interested in visiting Setubal but still have been after many trips to Lisbon. Fingers crossed, I might go to Portugal in September or October and will definitely visit Setubal. Your videos are really helpful and are fun to watch! Is it possible to make a one time donation? Its just that I already make quite a few patreon memberships. Obrigado!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hey, John! Thank you very much. We appreciate your thoughtful comment and offer. Keep us posted on your progress here. Yes, we do have a Paypal for one time donations at our old email [e-mail] however our Patreon drive is something we're doing because we've set a goal that if we hit 150 patrons by the end of the project, that we'll go to either Madeira or Azores and it'll be our Patrons that choose! (Patreon has give us the option to offer annual memberships so depending on how much you want to support us, that could be an option. Just your message to us is awesome support too.) - Josh & Kalie

[@Yasin_Affandi]

Thanks for this wonderful video n thanks for showing Setubal in Portugal.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

It's YASIN! Thanks! - Josh & Kalie

[@Yasin_Affandi]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks Josh n Kalie. 😀

[@kirstenb2708]

Hey guys! Thank you for another great video! I knew Setúbal would be one not to miss. And thanks Leo for the pronunciation lesson because I’ve been butchering that one 😃

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome. Thank you for watching. Hope to see you again in a few weeks. - Josh & Kalie

[@GarethMcCumskey]

We considered Setubal as a potential place for us but because I remote work my wife wanted to take advantage of being able to be in the best weather for her which is one of the reasons we didn't stay there. But agree, its a lovely city that we also called it wrong until a Portuguese person got very confused when we said "Setubal" and laughed when they realised what we meant and corrected us very quickly. Stubl it is :D

[@55charcar]

What's wrong with the weather in Setubal?

[@izabellavianna5464]

Gareth, where did you both decide to move to? Weather is definitely a big thing for our family.

[@GarethMcCumskey]

@@izabellavianna5464 We are currently based near Faro in the Algarve. It is pertty much always warm here and cools slightly in winter. The only downside is it can get very moist in winter but so far its been pretty great.

[@JenShea]

Great video, the production is really good!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Jen! We're trying to get better and better. Hopefully G and Ami stay with us after the project. 😅 - Josh & Kalie

[@JenShea]

@@ExpatsEverywhere I’m sure their help has been invaluable! It’s fun when you drop them in to the videos... get their opinions too. Anyway, well done!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@JenShea they’re on the Lives when they are not out watching the football ⚽️ 😆

[@tonyokelly6695]

Focusing on the city gives a restricted view, the bigger picture here is the Setubal Peninsula. The coast road from Setubal to Sesimbra with the sea on one side and mountain covered in trees is spectacular. Sesimbra is a lovely town right on the beach. Further north is Caparica, it has a massive beach with a very long promenade (at least a few KLM’s), great for walking in the cooling breeze off the Atlantic. A great place for hiking and horse riding is the Parque Natural da Arrábida. The pousada in Palmela town has fantastic views by day and by night, you can see Setubal to the South right up to Lisbon to the north. Brilliant shopping centers or “forums” in Setubal, Montijo, Almada, Coina, Rio Sul. Of course Lisbon with everything it has to offer is just 40 mins away. In summary anywhere is a great location on this peninsula. I’m speaking from experience, our place is in Quinta do Anjo.

[@scottphillips6847]

Great video! Thanks for doing this. It is very helpful. Y'all are great!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome! Thanks for the comment and compliment! - Josh & Kalie

[@janmaaso]

Subscribed! Have seen several of your videos lately, and am really starting to enjoy them. Looking forward to what's ahead. Ciao from Faro. Yin and Jan Maaso.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Welcome aboard! Thanks for letting us know that you're new to the channel and have subscribed. We appreciate that! We hope that we make you proud. - Josh & Kalie

[@paulogarciadesousa]

Great job, as always! And Kalie is honing her double rr to perfection! 🤓

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Paulo! Obrigada. - Josh & Kalie PS-We hope our videos are making your proud of what we're trying to display here in Portugal. You've been supporting our channel for a long time now and we want to say a big thanks!

[@paulogarciadesousa]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Cheers 🥂!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@paulogarciadesousa cheers 🥂

[@adventurefilmmaker]

Full of great, personalized info. Thank you!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

You're welcome! Thanks for the comment 🙏 - Josh & Kalie

[@lourdesfernandez9396]

Thanks for your valuable information! We are planning to move to Portugal next summer, of course we want to live in Porto or Lisbon, but it seems that the prices are more affordable in these types of places near to the capital, quiet, pleasant and more Portuguese style! Thanks againg!💜

[@BrunoRibeiro-po2bv]

Thank you for visiting our city!

[@guapogotguap]

thank you for choosing my city to do this video

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Our pleasure! We had a good time. It's a very nice city. Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

One advice, buy a house now. Because the next airport (the current Lisbon airport is not enough), going to be built in the Setúbal district. And the value of the houses in this region going to increase a lot the next years.

[@brianwhite1189]

If I'm not mistaken, that whole project of the new airport has been canceled. I read that, seems like four to six months ago.

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

@@brianwhite1189 Not canceled, it's temporarily suspended because of environmental impacts, they suspended because a nature reserve area and there is a risk that planes could disturb the area. But if it is not done there Montijo, it will be in a second spot in the same region, if Montijo fail because the reserve park, the airport going to be built where Portugal have his military training area called Alcochete. The entire area of Setúbal will rise in value in less than 10 years. Lisbon need a second airport, the number of flights in 2019 was insane and because the actual airport is located inside the city of Lisbon there are no space to expand it.

[@brianwhite1189]

@@arturjcrebelo3275 Thanks for the update and I'm glad another airport is still a possibility.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We like the sound of that. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@loganwkl4871]

You’re lucky because just on the other side of the river, you have Tróia and even better a little down below Comporta beach where Madonna used to ride her horses and it’s an amazing beach

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We went to Tróia today! - Josh & Kalie

[@tania2200]

Rent for as little as 700€?! Do you know how much people earn a month here? This is one of the reasons why gentrification is never far away and ultimately every city in Portugal will become unaffordable for the Portuguese...

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

The level of accommodation the bulk of our audience is looking for is above where low income earners live so yeah, €700/month. The average wage in PT is €1,150. - Josh & Kalie

[@gocanada9749]

YEAH FOR SURE, sounds pretty expensive for what it is. NO THANKS REAL ESTATE prices for a T1 or T2 have gone from 25k to 50k+ in less than 5 years

[@luminousscope5956]

Just bought a place in Setubal. You DO NOT need a car at all. Buses and trains run every hour to Lisbon (and many other cool areas) and are super convenient. It's possible to walk to the train/bus station from almost anywhere and when you arrive in Lisbon, the Metro directly connects to the stations. As far as getting to the Arrabida...in the summer...private cars are not even ALLOWED on the road, but there are public buses/rideshares. I would say that you could easily live here and just rent a car once in a while when you wanted to do a more elaborate road trip! Also...you must check out Troia and Comporta area next time. Possible to take a ferry to Troia...and ride a bike to Comporta :) So glad you liked Setubal. I love this town!

[@allanotropy]

Thanks for commenting; this is great to know, and Setúbal is moving up my list of places to resettle. I'm from NYC and I'd rather not have a car! 🙂

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Agreed! Thanks for the added details here. We drove down the road to Arrabida to see all the cars parked and go turned away at the point where cars can't go. - Josh & Kalie

[@kriserts]

I’d like to hear you include cycling as a transportation option. Right now you talk about car vs no car. But a bike can make a huge difference, say if you want to go to the beach. Many people are finding an electric bike covers most of their local transportation needs. If I move to Portugal I’d definitely try to make shopping and local trips with an electric bike.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We're not really into cycling as it's not our scene but we can ask some friends. The electric scooters seem to be far more prevalent across the country. There is a bit of cycling culture but rides tend to happen outside of the city. - Josh & Kalie

[@ringpvp]

I live in Setúbal good to know some people show good things about the City.

[@ringpvp]

And Beleive me, Yes Car is Good if you want to see Arrábida or Palmela. But the beach you don't need Car. You can go with bus. Because if you try to go to the beach with car maybe you don't have space to put the car, thats why i advice the bus. ;)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

The city is good. Every city has positives and negatives. We saw a lot of positives to Setúbal. It would be really nice to be there in other seasons too. - Josh & Kalie

[@TravelStyle50]

Great video about Setúbal😊 Signed my lease today and moving in November.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you! Congrats on signing your lease! November's just a few days away! Crazy!! The year is flying. - Josh & Kalie

[@susyantunes302]

Eu vivo em Setúbal à mais de 39 anos!!! Adoro a Troia,Serra da Arrabida e Pousada de São Felipe!!❤❤❤

[@Lucretia9000]

In England, a "rough" area is a place you don't go, depending. Also, thanks for putting Centigrade on this one! Please keep doing that.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We completely understand what you mean. "Rough" is very relative. We heard several people with the C feedback. 😁 - Josh & Kalie

[@tamaramadelin4831]

Great video and I can't wait to visit tomorrow!!!😉😃

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks! Great to meet up with you. Thanks for coming to Setúbal!! - Josh & Kalie

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

and thanks for the Minis of Super Bock!

[@melinda5777]

Enjoyed this video. Wouldn't mind living there! The seafood looked delicious! Great job, keep it up!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Melinda! We had some great seafood again today. We finished it off with some nice oysters down by the seaside. - Josh & Kalie

[@melinda5777]

@@ExpatsEverywhere it's past oyster season here in Alabama. Only months we eat them (smart people, I see them being harvested and know how long their sitting on them skifs In the hot sun making food poison) anyway only months with R's in them. September - April.

[@arturjcrebelo3275]

@@melinda5777 Lol, in Portugal we only eat snails in the months without R's from May to August.

[@passiondiverone2752]

Thank you Kaylee and Josh for this wonderful video on Setubal! I was looking into various cities and this city will allow me to work on my Portuguese and stay within my financial lanes ! I’m from FL 😄🌞So I like to live in a little warmer climate , but not to touristy south . I would like to know if there’s great hair salons and nail salons in Portugal ? As well as nice clothes boutiques ? Thank you for all of the wonderful information that you’ve provided on the various cities in Portugal 🇵🇹 ♥️

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hey!!! 😊 Thank you very much for compliment! This is Josh btw. I'd love for you to shoot Kalie an email at [e-mail] and ask her about the hair and nail salons in Portugal as well as the nice clothing boutiques. I would like to say "Yes" to all three but maybe you'd like her opinion more. 😁 😅 - Josh & Kalie

[@mitayoonash8258]

Only thing that is completely wrong and miss informed is that, prices of our apartments for sure are not " low " , 10 years ago a T2 would cost around 300 euros, which is half the price its now for a good apartment. Due to tourism the prices went up so please don't tell people that this is affordable because the minimum wage is around 650-750, so you barely can even live properly if you are not a medium class person.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

For our audience it's low. Our target audience is coming from mid to large cities in the US so for them it's low for sure. Prices aren't going to be what they are 10 years ago and the fact they've doubled in 10 years isn't a surprise either. That 2008 economic crisis hit Portugal particularly hard. - Josh & Kalie

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@rir79 I believe you misunderstood our comments but nevertheless, we’re trying to speak in terms that our target audience understands while certain worlds like cheap, expensive, cold, hot are up for interpretation because they’re relatively. We could have a deeper conversation about this but not in the KZbin comment section. You know how to find us. Have a good day and hope to hear from you.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@rir79 this was one of the reasons we thought we shouldn’t include Tróia. We had to determine how often we thought locals or people that lived in Setúbal as foreigners would actually visit Tróia because it takes effort and cash as opposed to the smaller beach area in the city, which is an awesome and easy hang out spot.

[@mariusferreira1297]

Really awesome video, thank you 👍

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Aww, thank you very much! - Josh & Kalie

[@amitmazumdar4284]

Thanks!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

🥰 Thank you, Amit. Kalie really dugged into Pamela and asked a lot of questions when we were on our tour there, just for you. You'll have to touch base with her and get her take. - Josh & Kalie

[@amitmazumdar4284]

@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks a lot Josh! Both Azeitao and Palmela seem to have a lot of new construction, but its not clear if they're still as walkable as Cascais or the outskirts of Porto and Lisbon, but everything you guys are doing is a piece of the puzzle for us!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@amitmazumdar4284 You're welcome. The amenities of both of those towns are so little in comparison to Cascais, Porto, and Lisbon that I'm not sure the walkability really matters. So I guess it depends on where you want to talk to and what you want around while walking if that makes sense. - Josh

[@SuseDeAndrade]

Did you know that the min wage is still under €700? To the locals and nation wise? Prices might be appealing to you lot, NOT US!!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Did you know that Portugal's minimum wage is now up to €822.50 per month for 12 months? Portugal also ranks 22 out of 101 countries for nation minimum wage. The US is 17th so only 4 countries separate Portugal and the US. countryeconomy.com/national-minimum-wage/portugal countryeconomy.com/national-minimum-wage www.theportugalnews.com/news/2022-01-31/portugal-among-the-lowest-wages/64938 - Josh & Kalie

[@shanerolfe6241]

Hi guys would be great if you could show towns you visit on the MAP to understand where you are

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Understood. Thanks for the feedback, Shane. - Josh & Kalie

[@michaelwilhelm2148]

I agree. I'm not criticizing ... It's just one little more detail that gives map and area perspective, and polishes content.

[@55charcar]

Great tip. It's always helpful to see the geographical logistics on a map to get one's orientation. Never assume viewers know the lay of the land.

[@yukaimeal]

pretty overun with tourists, scarce parking, barely affordable houses for the locals. Tourists are ocupying setubal.

[@pedro161977]

Setubal is not an attractive city aesthetically imo. However, the Troia peninsula is only a 30 min ferry ride from Setubal. While driving from Troia to Comporta you will be able to find some of the best beaches in Portugal. They are usually pretty deserted.

[@hubertahn6397]

Your videos are helpful. You mentioned that one does not need a car in the center of town, but when visiting outside the center it is convenient to have a car. Is Uber or similar ride sharing services available at a low cost in Setúbal? Can this be a good alternative to having a car to occasionally go outside the center of town?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi Hubert, thank you very much for the nice compliment. Bolt is a car service here that we don't often use but it's probably a little cheaper than Uber if you're being thrifty. It's a decent alternative but it just depends on how often you want to visit those little towns. - Josh & Kalie

[@Goodlifexplorers]

Cool! We were thinking of this area for the climate and less touristy location, now we have to certainly put it in our list.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks! Yeah, it's 100% worth a visit. - Josh & Kalie

[@saraonfire]

Over the years tourist have came and the prices of everything has been increasing more and more and that is really bad for us. You can visit but don´t leave here. 700€ for a T2 is too much, and it's because of tourist wanting to have a house in here that it became hard to have money for us, setubalenses, to afford a house, food and bills. The major of the population receive the minium wage (its way lower than 700€) so "just 700€" its a lot. And just a advice: don't show in the videos places with the wrong names, for exemple, the Jardim do Bonfim that you showed it was jardim da saúde.

[@allanotropy]

Prices going up for locals because of foreigners unfortunately happens all over the world and I'm sorry for the people who have to suffer like that, but it's really not the foreigners' fault. Foreigners come to your country because your government feels it needs foreign investment to raise the standard of living for everyone, so your government invites them to come. If people have a problem with it they should contact your politicians and then maybe they will close the door to new people. 🙂

[@anateixeira1345]

Please don't say that the houses are affordable! Our minimum salary is near 700€.. A lot of the owners ask for that amount of money for people to rent a house. It's not affordable for the majority! BTW, when you talk about the places, show the places you're talking about, not other ones 💁‍♀️

[@boldmover]

An hour on the train is not bad. I spent nearly 1-5 hrs getting downtown Atlanta by car.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Yikes! Sorry to hear that. - Josh & Kalie

[@robertosborne7542]

Very similar to Faro,not a bad thing,tho without the handy nearby airport.

[@darktok3757]

i'm portuguese and i live in setubal

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Cool. Thanks for sharing. Blessing to you! 🙏 - Josh & Kalie

[@suevialania]

Setúbal, south ,sun , sea and sand!,💚❤️🇵🇹👍🏻

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

We like all those 'S's - Josh & Kalie

[@PD55_]

Maybe I've missed it in your videos but I don't remember seeing a KFC or Dunkin Donuts anywhere. Another huge plus for Portugal!!!

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

PeterD, they exist but few and far between. Dunkin wouldn't be in any of the smaller cities. You might as well get a bola de belem. - Josh & Kalie

[@fsertage]

PeterD, when you have charcoal grilled chicken, cooked to perfection accompanied by Chips/ Rice/ Salad and 'watered' down with a glass of locally produced wine, in Portugal the likes of KFC would be an affront to national culture. Just saying.

[@fsertage]

@@ExpatsEverywhere :) Bola de Berlim, if you allow me the correction.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

@@fsertage edited. Didn’t even notice. 😂 thanks.

[@55charcar]

You're funny. I agree 100%

[@nishantthakur4181]

Ola Josh and Kalie, I am from India & I really enjoy your videos its informative for expats, I am planning to move to Setubal how is the cost of living now like rentals, food also is this town pet friendly.

[@wayne89]

Glad to see you've added Celsius as well ;-)

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

😁 We caught enough "heat" for it last time. 😅 - Josh & Kalie 😂

[@josetrindade3550]

Great, and here I am, seeing how my home town is made uninhabitable by foreigners.

[@mrjbaggio10]

Great video 👌🇵🇹congrats

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thank you so much 😀 - Josh & Kalie

[@wendyurquia4034]

Ola Josh and Kalie 👋 Totally agree with your observations about Setubal. Gritty yet gorgeous. I would totally expat that! Or at least visit for a while again. Wondering if you find driving on Portuguese roads as nerve-wracking as I do? Everyone drives so fast! Will you get to Troia? Better than Comporta in my opinion- and Comporta is so beautiful. Love to Sia and Pincho. ❤️

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Thanks, Wendy! Heyyyy. We appreciate it. We've heard a little gritty and a little pretty. 😂 Kalie does the driving and it's mainly been in towns so not too many nerves wrecked. We went to Tróia today. It was pretty. Pincho and Cia send their love back! 🥰 - Josh & Kalie

[@trave7644]

Thanks loads for this informative video, as usual. But not sure if you talked about home prizes for buying?

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hey, Trave. You're welcome. We did talk a little about buying a home. A solid price for a home there is anywhere between €100,000 and €300,000 depending on size and proximity to the water/view. The lower the price the more that might need updating. Hope that helps. - Josh & Kalie

[@trave7644]

@@ExpatsEverywhere A decent home around 200K is desirebale

[@pedrovfc]

Setúbal and Vitória 💚

[@ercumenthayritekin7102]

Thanks

[@75jmd]

I really enjoy your videos - I have learned a lot and they have been helpful (I am considering retiring to Portugal after 45 years of living in California). I guess I have to send you a thank you contribution twice. I want to send you $20 but there isn't an option for that. It's a long way from $10 to $50 with the option buttons. Take care, Jorge.

[@ExpatsEverywhere]

Hi Jorge. We really appreciate the support and gesture. We do have a PayPal account for donations or even better, we'd love to have you plug in to our community on Patreon. Let us know what you'd like to do. I can help you out with either option if you'd like to email me at [e-mail] Thanks again! 🙏 - Josh & Kalie