Expensive and perfect... Or cheap and very good?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

**CORRECTION** The Sony 70-200mm F/2.8 GM II is not weather sealed either. They have simply boosted the moisture and dust resistance around all seams, butons and lens mount.

[@david.stachon]

I normally film my daughter's ringette games (just normal game video) with the 24-105 F4 on my a7siii. I did a hype video for them and threw on the GM 70-200 2.8 (mkii) and couldn't believe my eyes. Absolutely brilliant image. I always shoot through the viewfinder so it was astonishing even while filming.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

It is a beautiful piece of glass indeed! Do you own both those lenses?

[@JRAW.Media.]

Appreciate this E, I just shot the Floyd Mayweather vs Gotti fight and found the tamron a bit difficult in certain shots especially at ringside as it focused on the ropes often causing me to shoot further away than I wanted. Going to give the G-Master a try. The features you highlighted look like they’ll make a world of difference!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

That's a cool gig! I did a few boxing cards myself and I loved it. And yeah, the 3M+ autofocus mode will definitely help you with those ropes if you're shooting ringside.

[@JoATTech]

OSS 1-3 are not levels of intensity :P. 1 is normal stabilization ,2 is for panning - 3 is for erradic movements (so in a way for more intense ones).

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Yeah I know that but I was trying to keep it short and simple. Ultimately, what you described are basically levels of intensity but with specific applications that I didn't really want to go into because I didn't get a chance to film test footage of all of them for the video.

[@JoATTech]

@@BeyondTheGame_E I feel you. No one will watch 40 minutes video :D. But maybe it's better to say "3 different modes of stabilizaiton" :D.

[@samcashelmedia]

I like how you show both lenses footage without us knowing! Prevents any bias.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Did you guess the right lens/footage combination?

[@megadarren]

This is the definitive comparison review for video shooters right here. Also, E is a handheld legend!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

🙏🙏🙏

[@tutosantiago3919]

In the test video I record in HD 120fps or 4k 30fps?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

All the game footage is recorded in 4K/120p.

[@tutosantiago3919]

@@BeyondTheGame_E thanks

[@IMDABROWN]

I think if they release an update 70-200 F4 will be the a alternative option. Yes you'll lose one stop of light but it will have the fast autofocus, will weigh less than the Tamron and probably be 2/3 the price of the GM. And with all the AI noise reduction options the 1 stop of light might not make a difference.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Valid points. Do you know if Sony intends to release it soon?

[@IMDABROWN]

@@BeyondTheGame_E Only what Sony Alpha Rumors mentioned. That "maybe" this year a smaller lighter 70-200 F4 will be release or announced this year.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@IMDABROWN 👍🏽

[@jimjimjimjimjim]

I agree. The GM2 is worth the money. Main reasons i like it: internal zoom, variable aperture without clicks, OSS, light weight, fast focus

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

That's a lot of good reasons!

[@HelloImMaxxHennard]

I've watched far too many comparisons with these lenses, but this has been the most effective at telling me exactly what I need. Thanks for making this!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Thank you for this great feedback!

[@tristfularcadia]

After watching the intro before, he told us which lens was which I actually guess correctly. The reason I was able to figure it out was for lens number one you’re having a hard time zooming out quickly enough in one of the shots, and if I remember correctly, that was one of the issues with the Tamron it had a pretty long zoom throw. There was also better fall off on the field as well on the Sony. The thing is, I had to really hunt for it. I believe the image stabilization, likely makes it worth it to buy the more expensive lens. If you’re professional videographer. Additionally, the extra 20 mm is also probably worth it as in Videography zooming in is a lot more difficult to maintain quality than just photography itself. Unless you’re shooting 8K, which there’s probably not very many people doing that at the moment. And if they are, I feel sorry for the wallets as storage can get expensive at that point in time. The new Tamron G2 might be a better contender, though, as it has image stabilization has improved sharpness and is only $100 more expensive.

[@JoATTech]

I'm not so sure 70-200 GM2 is fully weather sealed. Sony page says it's moisture and dust resistant ... not fully weather sealed ...

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

I think you're right. I thought for sure I had read it on the B&H website but I just had a look and they only mention boosted moisture and dust resistance. My bad 🤦🏽‍♂

[@MonteWeaverofficial]

Just ordered my 70-200 F2.8 GM II ... pairing it my Sony A1 ... Next will be getting a new body .. thinking of going with the FX30

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Here’s a video I made about the FX30 that might get you over the line kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6CbZoOqYrV_kNU

[@firpofutbol]

Have you tried using a 135mm 1.8? Obviously not a lens you could use for an entire game but using clear image zoom does give some flexibility. I would imagine youd capture the most magical shots with it.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Clear image zoom is not enough since I film in 4K. I need way more zoom range than that to capture video during a sporting event. Also a 135mm minimum would be way too tight for me.

[@TheLetsboogiedown]

Thanks for this video!.... I love how your comparison keeps the viewer guessing. I think I'll pick up the 2nd version of the Tamron lens and put the extra money towards the new A7c ii

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Sounds like a smart business decision! 👍🏽

[@paulgero]

Great video E. And I concur that lens is a gift to sports videographers.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

🙌🏽

[@tibszabo]

I'd love this with the G2 version!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Me too but I doubt I’ll get my hands on one anytime soon 🙁

[@JakeOFM]

I knew the gmaster was lens 2 because of the sharpness like you mentioned. still good performance from tamron but glad I bought the gmaster. Love the work!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Thank you!

[@adilaberkan1234]

I bought a slightly used tamron 70 180mm 2.8 for 660$ best deal ever

[@travissmarion]

Yeah. For me it wasn't so much the improved video quality features. But it was the auto focus capabilities or "hit rate". With the Sony it was dang near 98-99% with only a few here and there actually not in focus. Whereas with the Tamron it was between 65-80% or so. Still good. But when I'm shooting at 20+ frames per second I want that perfect shot to be in focus. And that's why I went with the GM II as well.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

That makes sense. And yes, the autofocus on this lens is VERY impressive.

[@Pirelli7]

70-300 f/4.5-5.6 is good for my Sony a7iv? I’ll use this lens for soccer videos. I don’t know if 70-200 is good, I think is bored to see all shots at 200mm with always the same angle.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

The Sony A7IV is a full frame camera and I’m not sure there is a full frame version of the 70-300mm lens. Also, moving around the pitch and filming from different perspectives will give you much more shot variety than an extra 100mm on the zoom.

[@umran89]

3:28 at the image sharpness test, were the two lenses used with two different camera body? The skin tones look so different, specially the subtle redness in shadow with Sony lens, giving the picture more lively feel than the tamron version, is the color difference due to different camera body, different color grade or just the color reproduction of lens? Personally in that shot, I was liking the sony lens’ image better.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

The only difference is the lens. And yes, that was the whole purpose of this test. To show how much better the Sony lens is when the subject is still and you can actually pay attention to details.

[@umran89]

@@BeyondTheGame_E wow, I’m quite surprised with the color reproduction then. Left looks digital and a bit lifeless and right actually more lively and organic. I was gonna invest in my first tamron, not this but another zoom variant, guess best to put in little more cash for a Sony lens.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@umran89 Ultimately, the Sony is more than double the price of the Tamron. So it makes sense that there is a significant difference between them. But I don’t think that the Tamron is that bad. The Sony is just that great.

[@wm9742]

Fantastic review! How would you compare the Sony 70-200mm GII vs the Tamron 35-150mm? I know the focus range is the obvious difference but what about their similar focal ranges? Which do you like?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Well it’s pretty much the same story as this video other than the fact that the 35-150mm has a few things that the other Tamron doesn’t have. Like the buttons and the F2 aperture. But it is also more expensive so it balances all out.

[@JCorrea813]

@@BeyondTheGame_Eso no go on the Tamron 35-150?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@JCorrea813 depends what you’re filming. If you’re filming basketball from the sidelines for example, I would go for the Tamron.

[@gbwalther3198]

A thought which I'm certain you've tossed before: Why don't u get together with some of your fav sports videographer buddies & create your own online, "Sport's Videography College?" U could look at such online programs as Fulltime Filmmaker for possible approaches. One thing that u could do to make it different since u have so many sports contacts would be to get interviews & tips from coaches & players themselves as to what they have liked or disliked in sports videos shot in the past. 😎😎

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Yeah I do want to create an online course. It is on my to-do list but it takes a lot of time to plan properly. I like your idea of involving players and coaches, thanks for that!

[@gbwalther3198]

@@BeyondTheGame_E In the mid-eighties I had a fellowship in the Electronic Film Media Program at the Banff Centre, Banff, Alberta. There were eight of us in the program. I was amazed and impressed with the talent & cooperative ability of the seven Canadians who I worked with on a daily basis. We had Sony's top engineer on board and a back up staff of four others. Each of us rotated in our roles as director, editor, camera, lighting, etc. on the projects. The CBC broadcasted a number of the programs. The point I want to get to is that from that experience I know that you & your buddies will make a great online: "Sport's Videography College," which will up the ante in the world & help others to share in the joy which u have experienced in the past. Good luck! 😎😎

[@bizpixvegas7651]

I own version one of the Tamron. I do landscapes so a lot of the shortcomings do not bother me. I had a chance to try the G2 version of the lens. It has most of the features of the Sony GM II with the exception of the aperture ring. Could you try the test with the G2 version of the Tamron. I found it to be sharper. Stabilization helps a lot on the long end and the 1:2 macro is a nice bonus. It is a definitely a cut above version 1 of the lens.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

I wish I could but, unless Tamron sends me a free lens, I doubt I'll be able to do a follow-up video ☹

[@bizpixvegas7651]

@@BeyondTheGame_E You have 68K subscribers. They should give you a lens to test and report. Have you asked them? I think it is going to do a lot better than the original. I have tried it and it a better by a mile. With Version 1, I get erratic focusing when the focus point is at or near the corners. That behavior is gone with G2 version. G2 is also sharper in the corners at f2.8. I am thinking of upgrading mostly for better sharpness and the 1:2 macro capability at 70mm. Stabilization and better focusing are bonuses for my type of work.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

I have reached out to Tamron in the past about other products but never heard back from them. But honestly it sounds like you should make a review about this lens, you seem to know a lot about it!

[@bizpixvegas7651]

@@BeyondTheGame_E Thank you for the suggestion. I do not have a YT channel or set up. Your have a nice set up. I love the way you compare the lenses. Very telling and from a practical point of view. No charts, no graphs, just real images from the real world. I try to chime in as much as I can. They should talk to you. I have seen people with a lot less subscribers get lenses to try.

[@rmbrad2]

What body did you use for the shoot? I’m sure you’ve said it somewhere, but I missed it.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

I was filming with my Sony FX3.

[@MissCharly1992]

thank you for the video! I am doing horse photograohy (sport, riding) and portraits. I bought the Tamron 35-150 lens to start for both goals. absolutely love the lens, but I am missing some range. do you think it is worth upgrading to 70-200 or 70-180? (sony would have the advantage of a teleconvertor... but is only worth it when I start making money with my photgraphy)

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Depends what your expectation or need is for the extra range. Going from 150 to 200 is great if you just wish you had about 15% more zoom. But it won't turn a wide shot into a close-up. And also, regarding teleconverters, there is a lost of image quality with a teleconverter that is quite similar to simply scaling up your footage in post. So personally, I'm not a huge fan.

[@youngw9270]

The best and cheap one lens for basketball and outdoor football game ? ZV-10

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

When it comes to lenses, best and cheap are total opposites. If you want the best, pick one from this video. If you want the cheapest, pick any lens with a similar zoom range that you can afford.

[@youngw9270]

@@BeyondTheGame_E how about sony 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 ? The used one under $400. This one for youth baseball, basketball and football.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@youngw9270 it's a good budget option. But it's not nearly as good as the lenses in this video.

[@DrunkPhotography]

I thought the Tamron has vibration compensation (image stabilization). Are you saying it’s not good or it wasn’t in this G2 Tamron? I heard in August it was perfected with driver updates.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

This Tamron lens in this video is not the G2, it's the first generation lens. I'm not aware of any update since I don't own this lens anymore but a firmware update can't add stabilization to a lens. You need hardware to stabilize.

[@DrunkPhotography]

@@BeyondTheGame_E Ok makes sense. I thought it was the newer one I was looking into. No, the new one has the VXD motor that needed some updates because it was buggy. I’d be interested to see how that fared against your line of work, because I want to get a cheaper lens for sporting events.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@DrunkPhotography from what I heard, the G2 pretty much fixed all the things people didn’t like about the previous version. But I haven’t tested it personally.

[@JeanV1986]

The new 70-180G2 gets even closer to that Sony for not much more money.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

That's what I heard as well.

[@jamesk1619]

What about the new g2 version of the Tamron? It has stabilization.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Unfortunately I didn't get to try it but I'm sure it's a very good option for that price.

[@unknownKnownunknowns]

Lens differences are difficult to discern in video. With still photographs, it is much easier to pixel peep. I agree, bargain Lenses for video are perfectly fine.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Yep, all true.

[@firpofutbol]

The Tamron does have the advantage of not having to change lenses for entire game. My wallet tells me to stick with my Tamron and master shooting with it. Some sports videoographers only use manual focus so mastering that would solve some issues.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Yes, learning to shoot manual will help you in the long run for sure. No matter what lens you are using.

[@UnseenSamy]

Just made the same jump, exactly the same issue with the Tamron.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

La seule chose qui m'a toujours manqué avec cette lentille c'est la 'stabilization'.

[@celtic5torm59]

Just bought the sony 70-200 f2.8 but not too sure how to use it. Any tutorial recommendations

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

No sorry I’ve never watched a lens tutorial but I’m sure there are plenty of good ones.

[@papier776]

Are you using auto focus or manual focus? insane edit btw

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Thanks 🙏🏽 I was using autofocus with touch focus on the lcd screen for the most part.

[@BryanBrosGolf]

🤙🏼🤙🏼. Also great thumbnail!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Thanks! 😁

[@sportreplayvideos]

Great video. For the budget minded guy like me who does it for a hobby to film my kids games I'm going with the Tamron. Have you sold yours yet? Lol

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Great choice, you can't really go wrong with either of those lenses anyway. And yes, I do have a buyer!

[@DrSarge37]

I noticed a difference in the beginning shots 😅 the Sony looks crisper for some reason to me.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Yes they are slightly sharper.

[@chrismbemba9590]

Salut Boss! J’espère que tu vas bien! Je me suis procuré la fx3 ainsi que la sony fe 70-200 f2.8 gm oss ii suite aux visionnement de tes vidéos et de ta liste. J’aimerais savoir si possible, les settings que tu utilises pour filmer tes vidéos de sports (football 🏈) pour pouvoir utiliser ce duo à leur full capacity. Je te remercie beaucoup et ça pourrait être une bonne idée de vidéo 👌🏾. Mtl ✊🏾

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Hey Chris! Je vois que tu t'es lancé dans les grandes dépenses! J'espère que tu t'amuses bien avec tes nouveaux jouets. Pour ma part, je filme tous les sports de la même façon: 4K/120 en SLOG3 (mode Cine EI) et 10-bit 4:2:2. J'utilise autofocus la plupart du temps mais manuel aussi de temps en temps. J'espère que ça répond à tes questions 👊 #514

[@jordancummins181]

Good video ! Where did you get the low chair or is it a diy?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Those chairs belong to the stadium. They are mainly for the security guards around the field so that they don't block the view of the fans in the first few rows.

[@jordancummins181]

@@BeyondTheGame_E Love to know where they got them as it would be great for basketball and save my back 😄

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@jordancummins181 Most photography stores would have something equivalent.

[@skoric1804]

Is your main camera Sony FX30 ?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

No. My main camera is the FX3.

[@SG-yg1eo]

Bro I have a question about monetisation. I see some sports channels are not monetized and some are not, why is that? The ones im referring to seem to be doing the same thing. Its odd. In both instances they both have the min subs and watch time needed for monetisation. Any thoughts??

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

How are you able to see the monetization status of other people’s channels?

[@SG-yg1eo]

@BeyondTheGame_E uhhhmm social blade? Also i thought that if a channel has ads then its monetized? I'm hope I'm not wrong lol 🙃

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

@@SG-yg1eo yeah you are wrong actually. I used to be like that before but since at least two years now there are ads on all videos whether the channel is monetized or not. And websites like social blades are wildly inaccurate with their numbers. They don’t actually have access to the numbers. They just make assumptions based on the public numbers. Like if someone has X amount of subscribers and X amount of views, they’ll assume he makes X amount of money but they don’t actually know.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Bottom line, if a channel meets the requirements and applies for the partner program, it will get monetization. But if a video has a copyright claim, that video won’t be monetized no matter who you are or how many subscribers you got.

[@SG-yg1eo]

@BeyondTheGame_E thanks for getting back to me, yeah I checked and it was changed a couple of years ago thanks for correcting me

[@Svoboda1234]

2:07 it def was noticeable

[@Cosmopolitm]

Thanks for the review

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

I’m glad you liked it! 👍🏽

[@gbwalther3198]

Have u used your Sony 70-200mm F/2.8 GM II with your Sony FX30? If so, how did that work out? Crop factor compensation, etc? 😎😎

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

I haven’t got the chance to try it out yet but I’m sure it would look great. Good quality glass always makes a difference, even on a cropped sensor.

[@JoATTech]

I thought Tamron footage is Sony and vice versa :D. I own 70-200 G2 myself :D.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Before I shot this footage, I never imagined it would look so similar to be honest.

[@DonEvans1]

time to do a new video with the newest Tamron

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Yeah you're probably right but I highly doubt this will happen unless Tamron reaches out to me with a free lens.

[@lensaccess7825]

i could tell right away that #1 was the Tamron from the focus.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

👍🏽

[@user-vp5mu4ec1i]

I could

[@fvbbe9635]

gimbal?

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

What about them?

[@liceafilms]

I noticed the difference right away

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

🙌🏽

[@Dave_levinger]

I have the Sony 70-200 G And it’s a beast and makes me look good 😂

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

💪🏽

[@CocoKoi321]

Wtf this isn't the tamrons g2 lens

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

That lens didn’t exist when this video came out.

[@MrDvaz]

it was very obvious and I could tell the difference right away!

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

What gave it away?

[@chanegang813]

Yea I think it was a big difference

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

In the image quality?

[@devineffendi27]

the tamron is slow for me

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

What’s slow about it? The autofocus?

[@devineffendi27]

@@BeyondTheGame_E yep, currently use the GM 1 for a year, then sold it to buy the tamron beacuse its lighter, sold it for a week, now using the GMii beacuse theres no other option i guess

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

The GM II is definitely the best but the other two are very good as well. Autofocus with sports is tricky for any lens since the camera doesn’t know which player you want to focus on. I actually made a video about this if you’re interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJiloZZoqZ6Gp5osi=L3pCdR9zbwOTnICQ

[@stephanerick8927]

Pray for my wallet 😂

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

🙏🏽😂

[@NARRASSAFilmes]

Take care of your backs because the 70-200 is heavy as hell.

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

You’re probably thinking of the mark I. This is the mark II which is much lighter.

[@maryskrudland1103]

Nice 🧢

[@BeyondTheGame_E]

Thanks 😊