Experiencing 2016 Overwatch All Over Again

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Flats

Flats

Күн бұрын

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@beefischannel
@beefischannel Ай бұрын
sykkuno in a flats video was not something that couldve have been predicted by the best psychics
@riorangerz
@riorangerz Ай бұрын
MY THOUGHTS FR WHEN I SAW HIM ON THE THUMBNAIL :O
@kattastrophe7240
@kattastrophe7240 Ай бұрын
I just saw his name and was like “wait HUH?????”
@Levamii
@Levamii Ай бұрын
Literally what I’m saying! I’m shocked!
@krusher9982
@krusher9982 Ай бұрын
Came to the comments to see if anyone said anything, not disappointed
@Gigalisk
@Gigalisk Ай бұрын
Kinda crazy lineup - Kyedae, Tim, Sykk, Emong, Toorah, Lupo - look at all this content creation LOL
@atUndyne
@atUndyne Ай бұрын
God. The six Winston teams, 5 man rezzes with Mercy hiding and begging people to die on point, the payload combo of Reinhardt/Mercy/Bastion. Symmetra turret death walls/rooms. It's too real 😭 Hard to believe it's been 8 years since we've seen it like this
@SauceyRedHN
@SauceyRedHN Ай бұрын
8 years… fuck…
@OneShotMarkimoo
@OneShotMarkimoo Ай бұрын
Call it by it's proper name. It's sexton. Now we have quinston 🥲
@AngelOfTheMad
@AngelOfTheMad Ай бұрын
"We have four Mercies, how did I die?!?!" "We have a hog, how do we have no hooks!?" yeah that tracks for launch OW LUL
@Galvinar
@Galvinar Ай бұрын
You know what I love watching this? Everyone is just having fun. Is it balanced? No. Not even close. But everyone is just chilling and laughing at the chaos that is overwatch classic. GG Flats n' Co. Awesome vid.
@wswann34
@wswann34 Ай бұрын
Yeah it's so cheese it's actually fun. I don't know how they took ow serious back in 2016
@CanoCapo
@CanoCapo Ай бұрын
I think because you cant ban anything and there can be mirror matchups it doenst matter, everyone can do the op sht
@CrabMan42
@CrabMan42 Ай бұрын
wow just like ow2.
@WhosBucci
@WhosBucci Ай бұрын
the irony is that this patch of ow is closer to good balance than the current live patch has been
@littech6889
@littech6889 Ай бұрын
​@@WhosBucci By far
@TheMagicKid2011
@TheMagicKid2011 Ай бұрын
Super: "Die on point I have rez" Also Super: "Uh-oh"
@ruby5038
@ruby5038 Ай бұрын
I havent smiled so big at an Overwatch video in such a long time. Seeing old creators that played and new creators that play just coming together and having some fun, no hard metas, strats, just a bunch of silliness and banter before it became super toxic. Tim was the first streamer i watched and now im glad I kept watching through Flats. This is the Joy everyone was missing and if they can home in on this more the game can be even more than what it is in its current state
@bankoetsu879
@bankoetsu879 Ай бұрын
it was always toxic
@luciamurray1838
@luciamurray1838 Ай бұрын
Sykkuno? The crossover we didn’t know we needed
@douglaseppinger6320
@douglaseppinger6320 Ай бұрын
I didn't even know bro played overwatch😭
@endoroki
@endoroki Ай бұрын
Thats what i said😭😭😭
@xEvilRaptorx
@xEvilRaptorx Ай бұрын
Heard the voice and had to look again lol
@average_adonis
@average_adonis Ай бұрын
SYKUNNO WAS A JUMPSCARE HAHA.
@RaphaelGuo
@RaphaelGuo Ай бұрын
ikr?
@shotgunkitty7949
@shotgunkitty7949 Ай бұрын
My friend who only played Overwatch 2 also said "this makes.. sense.. this feels like how it was suppose to be"
@simonshura9144
@simonshura9144 Ай бұрын
That's a smart bud W
@yukioacumora4430
@yukioacumora4430 Ай бұрын
Good lad.
@TheGaloX
@TheGaloX Ай бұрын
As someone who only played Overwatch 2, this feels so weird and chaotic but fun at the same time but i fucking hate torbjorn i had to say it
@OatsMealz
@OatsMealz Ай бұрын
​@@TheGaloX Torb was so much stronger in his OG iteration it's funny to know that they reworked him because he was deemed so "weak and unflexible" at the time
@thatoneleaf9895
@thatoneleaf9895 Ай бұрын
@@TheGaloX Personally I find it hilarious how fucking annoying and "brain turn off" genji is still 💀
@TundraCrow
@TundraCrow Ай бұрын
Every thing feels much slower in a good way and as a Tank main I can't tell you how much I love the fact that I don't have to worry about half a dozen cheeky hyper mobility characters always getting around me. Everything for the most part stays in front of me and it feels great knowing that I don't have enemy dps living in my back line rent free. When you push people off high ground it means something now as most can not get instantly back up to it. Having a dps or tank heavy comps can be tough to fight, but the fact there is universal self healing passive and a limited amount of heros who can even self heal make it easy to chip away at all that health to eventually make space.
@emilydegroot6436
@emilydegroot6436 Ай бұрын
Do you mean like physically pushing them off? I always thought pushing them off meant putting out enough threat that if they do try to be there, they'll just die
@snipingway
@snipingway Ай бұрын
@@emilydegroot6436 That is what it means, if you go and make a threat and force players off high ground, atm in ow2 live mode when you move on to try to play objective, the enemy team just pops right back onto high ground again because of abilities that give them high mobility. It makes it difficult to force the enemy team to get off high ground and force them to play on the objective if they can retake it with a button click.
@sherbetron
@sherbetron Ай бұрын
Real, ever since the Ow2 beta I felt it was too fast I used to play a lot of Widow in ow1, I still love her but I often have to switch due to all the hypermobile flankers being so stressful to deal with You hit a couple shots and suddenly it's a survival game haha, sometimes I just want to chill and duel other precision chars in qp yknow Classic has been nice
@bambampewpew32
@bambampewpew32 Ай бұрын
@@emilydegroot6436 either one lol both
@MuttMarc
@MuttMarc Ай бұрын
i lost to a game full of 6 attacking junkrats. i played all day and am still happy
@Lidiya2188
@Lidiya2188 Ай бұрын
I'm laughing just imagining it! x'D
@WhiteFeatherr
@WhiteFeatherr Ай бұрын
Had a game with 6 torbs on defense, it was like a maze trying to survive all the turrets that were all over the place but me and my friend were just laughing the whole time from how silly it was
@lolicongang.4974
@lolicongang.4974 Ай бұрын
Yes lunatics are very much a thing imma try and turn my brain off but doubt it.
@muysli.y1855
@muysli.y1855 Ай бұрын
@@WhiteFeatherr this is why overwatch 1 was peak it was more fun and less sweaty
@bambampewpew32
@bambampewpew32 Ай бұрын
@@WhiteFeatherr I loved the 'infiltrating a base' feel to the 2cp maps in ow1 lol
@tusami3315
@tusami3315 Ай бұрын
40:15 for anyone wondering, reaper teleport could only be used on the ground
@mr.mojo1014
@mr.mojo1014 Ай бұрын
I never got to experience this version of overwatch but watching people who don’t play overwatch on regular basis is a nice change of pace it brings me so much joy
@PrimeKeroHS
@PrimeKeroHS Ай бұрын
This is exactly the overwatch I missed and adored playing back then, and will play the heck out of it whilst I can. Day one, 6v6, unbalanced and open queue, this is peak
@timeless1882
@timeless1882 Ай бұрын
This makes me want to install Overwatch again. There were so many fun and hilarious moments back then..
@jaedengarcia8249
@jaedengarcia8249 Ай бұрын
Don't let this moment go by, you don't often get the chance to play the best game ever again untainted by the bad decisions the devs later made, for 3 weeks of fun I'd say a download is well worth it
@burger9997
@burger9997 Ай бұрын
@@jaedengarcia8249Idk overwatch before brig was pretty good as well
@scumcuckles
@scumcuckles Ай бұрын
​@jaedengarcia8249 it's fun but a lot of people forget how unbalanced alot of characters were. I'm having a blast on it but I think that it showed me how much better overwatch got in late 2016 and early 2017
@yukioacumora4430
@yukioacumora4430 Ай бұрын
I'd say do it. Don't miss your chance. I dropped overwatch 2 because it became lame and textureless, and this is part of what I missed. What's more is if the devs see it's bringing more people into the game now, it could affect decisions they do to the live game too for the better.
@bambampewpew32
@bambampewpew32 Ай бұрын
@@yukioacumora4430 "overwatch 2 because it became lame and textureless" THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT MAN, they've watered down the game so much and not just by reworks, but the valorant ass looking HUD and menus lmfao
@snipingway
@snipingway Ай бұрын
This is weirdly so much more fun to watch than current overwatch.
@xEvilRaptorx
@xEvilRaptorx Ай бұрын
Tbh its just the change of pace prolly. After a few weeks or months it likely will start to get the same feeling as live (but different)
@snipingway
@snipingway Ай бұрын
@@xEvilRaptorx I think it's more because stuff actually dies. The TTK is so much slower in current Overwatch. There was a while there where it was a tolerable speed, but it went back down again.
@crossdaboss8914
@crossdaboss8914 Ай бұрын
​@snipingway I don't think it's the time to kill so much as it's the burst healing and how tanky everything is now like soo many abilities give damage reduction in live don't here and so many strong abilities have alot more risk reward and there there just some absurdly strong things on 90% of the heros and stuff doesn't just get healed up out of no where
@snipingway
@snipingway Ай бұрын
@@crossdaboss8914 ? that all counts under TTK.
@crossdaboss8914
@crossdaboss8914 Ай бұрын
@snipingway yes and no if the team let's say supports die or don't have the burst healing supports its honestly a faster time to kill now I mean look at how fast tanks can explode if a support doesn't look at them for a second it's odd to talk about cause in some cases like VS bap or kiri time to kills is much much longer but some characters in the game now have absurd time to kill think the conversion being abit odd is just the nature of the game have 40+ heros there's gonna be situations and outliners on both ends of the spectrum
@damon6086
@damon6086 Ай бұрын
Sykkuno joining Flats in OW was something I never saw coming.
@stillstoned64
@stillstoned64 Ай бұрын
We need more groups like this. This was the most fun alot of you have had in a long time. Great job man.
@BandannaBread
@BandannaBread Ай бұрын
15:10 Flats being absolutely stunned that Shatter was longer on Live than it is in Classic is very funny to me
@Lufa01
@Lufa01 Ай бұрын
yeah, todays shatter gets you in narnia lol, i am honestly still used to old ones range personally, the range of todays shatter is REALLY stupid imo
@Pahthum
@Pahthum Ай бұрын
Ive never caught a flats video on time, watching this before a job interview for good luck lol. I had no idea ow1 had no restrictions for characters winton funny as fuck
@ttv_shrekswamp1325
@ttv_shrekswamp1325 Ай бұрын
Best of luck on your interview!
@BobsRavines
@BobsRavines Ай бұрын
GL on the interview!
@jahagkagau6061
@jahagkagau6061 Ай бұрын
Well did on release it had restrictions later on
@unwxrried
@unwxrried Ай бұрын
Good luck!
@fidelcatto4732
@fidelcatto4732 Ай бұрын
Get that job !
@MrJZ367
@MrJZ367 Ай бұрын
Watching him backcap because they just forgot he existed when he went around the corner made me be like "wow it really is 2016 again"
@jimbo_jambo69
@jimbo_jambo69 Ай бұрын
Tim missing the Cree standing almost PERFECTLY STILL definitely shows who was the WRONG PERSON to play Hog
@ItsAK9
@ItsAK9 Ай бұрын
"Who got next on the health pack" is CRAZY LMAOO. I missed 6v6 so much
@hotcheerros
@hotcheerros Ай бұрын
We were in the trenches 2016 😂
@calamityatom9070
@calamityatom9070 Ай бұрын
Playing this mode made me realize all the nice stuff that OverWatch 2 has done and just the balancing of OverWatch in general, but it also made me remember how much fun certain broken things were
@MusicalBlam
@MusicalBlam Ай бұрын
OW1 did all the optimization before OW2. OW Classic is patch 1 which is NOT the same as like say 2018-2019 overwatch
@bambampewpew32
@bambampewpew32 Ай бұрын
@@MusicalBlam ^^^^^^^^
@bambampewpew32
@bambampewpew32 Ай бұрын
also playing this mode confirmed how much soul ow2 does NOT have compared to ow1 lmao and the amount of healing and immorts makes ow2 so boring compared to classic..
@Shibbylovess
@Shibbylovess Ай бұрын
“ Careful with the Sym orbs, they are really hard to dodge”
@MuttMarc
@MuttMarc Ай бұрын
18:45 Tim on hog- how do I have four mercys and im dead. Emong on mercy- How do we have one hog and no hooks
@GrumpyTheMighty
@GrumpyTheMighty Ай бұрын
Has he been playing nonstop and still not gotten any better?
@TheRyder6000
@TheRyder6000 Ай бұрын
38:43 JEFF?!?! HIS NAME IS JEFF?!?! WHY IS MY BRAIN STRUGGLING TO ACCEPT THAT LMAO
@bambampewpew32
@bambampewpew32 Ай бұрын
SAME lol
@RavageDionne
@RavageDionne Ай бұрын
Hi flats! The reason Reaper's TP seemed to not work is because you can't use it while falling/airborne until like s28! You jumped a few times and were frazzled, hope that helps!
@DenBover-pf7xk
@DenBover-pf7xk Ай бұрын
18:59 how do we have 1 hog and no hooks was savage 😂😂😂
@shortyshawty
@shortyshawty Ай бұрын
52:35 i think this statement embodies og ow perfectly. It had incredibly high highs but some pretty low lows, ow2 is simply... good enough. Personally, I prefer the former.
@DragunnitumGaming
@DragunnitumGaming Ай бұрын
I watched this live from Sykkuno's perspective, poor guy HAD NO clue where god placed him or what to do 😂😂😂😂
@TheHottie1357
@TheHottie1357 Ай бұрын
@16:55 Karq is just there like, "I SHALL SHOW NO FEAR IN THE MIGHTY EYES OF THE LORD, I SHALL HOLD MY POST. THIS IS WHERE I MADE MY STAND!"
@PalpatineGaming
@PalpatineGaming Ай бұрын
As someone who's started in ow2, ow classic is fun af
@BeefyKeeef
@BeefyKeeef Ай бұрын
The flats and emonggg rein zarya tank duo at kingsrow is so nostalgic.
@aqn01
@aqn01 Ай бұрын
karq always doing patch notes and changes informative videos and being the most clueless in this video is so funny
@ΠανοςΒαρνασιδης
@ΠανοςΒαρνασιδης Ай бұрын
Now we wait for 6v6 roles😊
@Merpsicles
@Merpsicles Ай бұрын
I had a great time watching this man this is what its all about 18:50 "How do we have 1 Roadhog and no hooks" is what did it for me though
@Alanhslc
@Alanhslc Ай бұрын
I think it’s cool how they genuinely look like they’re having fun. That’s how this game should be played, with friends, just chilling... not solo queuing and raging to grind up.
@NolansGoons
@NolansGoons Ай бұрын
Aha, the secret, little known companion to "FLATS ALREADY HAS HAMMER?!": "ASPEN ALREADY HAS RES?!"
@Dallas52
@Dallas52 Ай бұрын
Tim and flats together as tanks is legendary
@philipmillsap1152
@philipmillsap1152 Ай бұрын
At 49:02 where Flats clearly had the biggest flame locked and loaded for Tim's Grav lmao
@crimsonkarma13
@crimsonkarma13 Ай бұрын
40:25 most abilities only work when you are on the ground which is hard since everyone likes to spam jump
@MarnoWind
@MarnoWind Ай бұрын
The amount of nostalgia that i felt watching this was superb. Flats is right with that the good feels was mainly due to everyone being in team chat and having fun. Once you go solo its a different story, but man is he right about the games pacing just making sense. This is the Overwatch i remember that got me hooked from the start!
@janaaf8646
@janaaf8646 Ай бұрын
i don't think I've laughed this much watching OW gameplay in my life, absolute banger and love to see you all having so much fun together!
@aceclark101
@aceclark101 Ай бұрын
I like how long flats kept doing the hog hook spin before he realized that wasn't a thing.
@SoloKrypton
@SoloKrypton Ай бұрын
32:41 is the most RIDICULOUS potg I have ever seen in my life 😂😂😂😂 Pure comedy lolll😂😂😂
@Darling_Kijo
@Darling_Kijo Ай бұрын
Imagine trying to have fun on OW, and you see Flats and Emongg instalock Winston and shred the backline
@hendrikmuller6841
@hendrikmuller6841 Ай бұрын
Ngl i just love watching u having fun in this 1.0 ow together with the others. It just makes me happy (:.
@Barnaacle
@Barnaacle Ай бұрын
this team vs zylbrad muselk bazza gazza and tyrodin that would be pure nostalgia
@rsiloliveira
@rsiloliveira Ай бұрын
omg you brought me back now, those were the times
@Barnaacle
@Barnaacle Ай бұрын
@@rsiloliveira yeah 2016 was peak pokemon go overwatch etc it went downhill after that
@vinyllproductions9254
@vinyllproductions9254 Ай бұрын
dude it's so sad what zylbrad has become, but i fully agree it'd be peak nostalgia
@Barnaacle
@Barnaacle Ай бұрын
@@vinyllproductions9254 and muselk
@vinyllproductions9254
@vinyllproductions9254 Ай бұрын
@Barnaacle wait what happened with muselk did I miss lore?
@gardenshedd
@gardenshedd Ай бұрын
18:50 Emongg with a sick burn is PEAK
@luckypostingandco
@luckypostingandco Ай бұрын
its honestly hard to imagine this clunky game winning game of the year in 2016 but I am having fun with it
@benedwards4751
@benedwards4751 Ай бұрын
26:57 the mega at 185 hp is the funniest fucking thing
@BandannaBread
@BandannaBread Ай бұрын
Tim: "How do I have 4 Mercy's and no Rez's?!" Emongg: "How do we have 1 Roadhog and no Hooks?!" Flats: *Dying from laughter in the corner*
@Aykalia
@Aykalia Ай бұрын
all tim needed to get back on track with winston was getting back OW1 lmao
@Mythy001
@Mythy001 Ай бұрын
this bring me so much joy watching this, so many familiar name.
@arisven509
@arisven509 Ай бұрын
I love Flats and Tim's Hog hook conversation. 😂
@ninthfriend3347
@ninthfriend3347 Ай бұрын
Just like old times! I've been watching this OW classic contents (including this one) and it makes me miss how fun OW was in a goofy way before it got seriously competitive. I hope the dev can find a way to bring this goofiness back. Maybe the junkenstein lab one will do. It's the kind of OW I want to play and I'm already sad that it's gone :(
@Thugnug87
@Thugnug87 Ай бұрын
This might be my new favorite video on youtube. Non-stop laughter the entire time.
@revtemp
@revtemp Ай бұрын
THIS is peak overwatch. If only Kaplan presented this match and Jayne did commentating it would be perfect
@Ignis_Lucius
@Ignis_Lucius Ай бұрын
Flats playing with Sykkuno is something I never knew I needed
@dzirtbry
@dzirtbry Ай бұрын
It's incredible how much easier it is to watch old overwatch and make sense of what's happening, compared to current state of the game
@nemesispax0383
@nemesispax0383 Ай бұрын
19:13 is the funniest moment ive seen in a long time
@trancedoutkid
@trancedoutkid Ай бұрын
"You watch the videos, I sub to the only fans. we're born different" I spit coffee everywhere
@jahagkagau6061
@jahagkagau6061 Ай бұрын
15:20 to answer flats. Yes on live its longer but on classic its wider and stuns for longer i think
@Slug_ssbm
@Slug_ssbm Ай бұрын
37:45 to this day This Is Ilios is my favorite Arcade mode they ever introduced. I remember playing a 30-40 minute game.
@thatoneleaf9895
@thatoneleaf9895 Ай бұрын
Looked at the thumbnail and had to double take at seeing Sykkuno 😭
@jesinus2648
@jesinus2648 Ай бұрын
Really happy to see cdnthe3rd in a flats video. Been 6 years since i watched him but instantly recognized his voice
@ArkanMatlub03
@ArkanMatlub03 Ай бұрын
The best fortune teller and future predictors could never come up with this crossover
@magewareinc
@magewareinc Ай бұрын
'A game full of content creators? No one's watching the point.' - the goat
@ikelos8190
@ikelos8190 Ай бұрын
unironically the most fun i've had in this game in years
@kevincarson522
@kevincarson522 Ай бұрын
Love that Lupo was here for this
@210gremlin
@210gremlin Ай бұрын
That Volskaya team (game 10) is like my Avengers/Dream Team of streamers. I love events like this
@splat338
@splat338 Ай бұрын
40:42 Flats I also noticed that when I used Reaper but the only reason it doesn't work is if you are Jumping when trying to Tp. I guess you can only Tp when standing or on the ground specifically ☠️
@xenogengas9693
@xenogengas9693 Ай бұрын
That was reap tp at launch. It took them awhile to add in jump or falling while tping.
@chb_dlx
@chb_dlx Ай бұрын
24:19 peak overwatch right there
@Sanas_Shy_Language
@Sanas_Shy_Language Ай бұрын
I love this for Overwatch, I'd love to see them add in some of the first characters they added over the next three weeks too, like week 2 they introduce og Ana and then Sombra week 3. The nostalgia factor this has is insane.
@aiiaznsk8er
@aiiaznsk8er Ай бұрын
Watching Aspen play Hanamura is delightful
@chihabez
@chihabez Ай бұрын
so there is this game where we went full meis and oh boy it was so fun
@cecilboyd1692
@cecilboyd1692 Ай бұрын
Its like the expendables of ow streaming
@Official_Golden
@Official_Golden Ай бұрын
Seeing surefour again gave me a smile, brings back memories
@FoozyZIO
@FoozyZIO Ай бұрын
this mode is more chaotic but I'm so much more relaxed and having fun
@TheSenshiVenom
@TheSenshiVenom Ай бұрын
Lupo is just the best lmao I need flats and him to play together more often X"D
@z.j.moslehi9104
@z.j.moslehi9104 Ай бұрын
i just watched this whole video start to finish, fuck this looks like so much fun
@LucidFacade
@LucidFacade Ай бұрын
36:44 True DVA 1.0 moment.
@littlesparkle2506
@littlesparkle2506 Ай бұрын
i'm so glad sykkuno even joined
@Nexusquo
@Nexusquo Ай бұрын
“Let’s all pocket Tim” Yes, everyone pocket the gold player lol
@blackjokersp
@blackjokersp Ай бұрын
That the good time I remember. Just the trash talking and the the panic. With excitement.19:21
@k-yan5134
@k-yan5134 Ай бұрын
"Careful the sym orbs, they're really hard to Dodge" actually made me laugh so hard 😂
@GenerallDRK
@GenerallDRK Ай бұрын
Never played og mercy, so the culture shock hit hard when i couldn't hop around and boost 😂. But Damn They Need To Bring Back No Recoil 76 & Soul Drops.
@PurpleMoon799
@PurpleMoon799 Ай бұрын
as an ow2 player ive been really enjoying this mode, some characters feel so different but so fun. honestly they should keep sym like that, i really like the teleporter ult. i usually play mercy and omg it feels so weird not being able to sj and slingshot. the fact that superjump was a bug too is crazy.
@d4nni_
@d4nni_ Ай бұрын
19:12 bro he sounds exactly like the "why so serious" joker thing
@richardx1157
@richardx1157 Ай бұрын
Torna music in the background, the editors COOKED
@trashyalphys
@trashyalphys Ай бұрын
It feels SO much slower, but man, is it nice to play classic again either way. What a nice break from the now.
@brandonlange4948
@brandonlange4948 Ай бұрын
Lupo in a flats video? My 2 worlds coming together
@clashingimages
@clashingimages Ай бұрын
This is the most fun i’ve had in overwatch since OW2 released.
@HeczOW
@HeczOW Ай бұрын
The rank 27 Winston in the world wasn’t playing Winston?
@the_panda_king__7527
@the_panda_king__7527 Ай бұрын
This has been the most fun I’ve had in OW since OW2 launch lmao
@ZeSoundBlast
@ZeSoundBlast Ай бұрын
Very much enjoyed the stream. :-)
@jklew9486
@jklew9486 Ай бұрын
Man I haven't heard or watched super in years. Good to see him in a video. I'm gunna have to go watch his stuff
@RapPa-z2m
@RapPa-z2m Ай бұрын
finally more super + flats content i live for this
@gaiathemuse
@gaiathemuse Ай бұрын
I lowkey wish this included og Ana. Speed nanoboost was an Era
@snovaspectre2
@snovaspectre2 Ай бұрын
That'll probably be in a future version :)
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